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00:07:10 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 00:16:30 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:18:41 <Wolf01> 'night all 00:18:45 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host242-239-dynamic.16-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 00:23:37 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 00:23:50 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@191.Red-83-34-192.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:31:50 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.104.165] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:44:53 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 01:03:04 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@193.52.24.37] has quit [Quit: zzzzzzz] 01:08:33 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:11:23 *** Firartix [~artixds@38.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:13:12 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-219-108.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:21:34 *** pjpe [ae5f3ed9@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:30:42 <xiong> Any progress toward a setting to disable the prototype vehicle offers? 01:31:25 <Rhamphoryncus> You're aware of the workaround of accepting one, then ignoring it for a year? They'll blacklist you for a few years after that 01:33:15 <xiong> Rhamphoryncus, I heard that years ago and tested it out. I never was blacklisted; continued to be offered all prototypes. Perhaps that's been fixed. Still, I want no such offers at all. I never want them and they always seem to come at the worst time. I might be timetabling or otherwise managing a tricky thing... when up pops the huge box. Can't even dismiss it with spacebar; must mouse or wait. 01:33:35 * Rhamphoryncus nods 01:33:42 <Rhamphoryncus> I've never tested it either 01:34:23 <xiong> I set up quite a few tests on various prototype propositions: that accepting and not employing would blacklist; that accepting and using would confer some advantage. All failed. 01:35:16 <xiong> In any case, I just don't see the point. I play with breakdowns; reliability is my top concern, not top power or speed. 01:35:22 <Rhamphoryncus> I remember that using a prototype would boost the reliability later on, but that may have been an earlier version or simply a myth 01:35:49 <Rhamphoryncus> yeah 01:35:51 <xiong> Earlier version, myth, bug, vapor feature, I dunno. Might even be true now. 01:36:08 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db0edc4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us] 01:36:25 <xiong> It's a fact that many vehicles improve in reliability the longer they've been available. 01:36:51 <xiong> So from my viewpoint, I'm not only not interested in prototypes; I don't usually want new vehicles until years after introduction. 01:37:14 <xiong> You can imagine the kind of hardware and software I use on my desktop. 01:38:01 <xiong> Rhamphoryncus, you'll excuse me if I don't know you well... how are you with writing NewGRFs? 01:38:57 <Rhamphoryncus> There is code to blacklist you for not building a prototype. Dunno if it works though. 01:39:02 <Rhamphoryncus> I've never touched newgrfs 01:39:18 <xiong> Ah. 01:46:17 <Rhamphoryncus> Hrm. Looks like reliability is randomly picked each game but not affected by accepting a prototype 01:52:43 <xiong> ... in defiance of propaganda. 01:54:03 <xiong> For me, the prototype offers are worse than useless; they're a distraction. 02:10:04 <Rhamphoryncus> Hah. If the text for your order destination changes to "1 fizzy drink" you're doing something wrong. ;) 02:21:03 *** Elukka [~Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 02:25:26 *** Doorslammer [7da86216@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:28:45 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-58-212.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 02:33:52 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-13-172.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:40:13 *** Doorslammer [7da86216@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 02:47:03 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3d92:1b49:a6fe:3b21] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:58:55 *** pjpe [ae5f3ed9@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 03:20:16 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 03:23:51 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 03:25:41 * andythenorth is sharing 'awake' time with people on other side of world 03:26:20 <supermop> quite rare 03:28:16 <supermop> why are you up so late/early? 03:32:55 <supermop> i am waiting on pizza, in case you are wondering 03:37:11 *** andythenorth_ [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 03:37:11 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:37:12 *** andythenorth_ is now known as andythenorth 03:40:33 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest3901 03:40:33 *** Guest3901 [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:40:33 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 03:42:15 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest3902 03:42:15 *** Guest3902 [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:42:15 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 03:46:38 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest3903 03:46:38 *** Guest3903 [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:46:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 03:50:05 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 03:53:05 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Snail_] 04:18:45 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 04:20:56 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [] 04:36:16 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:48:52 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e09eeb8.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:14:13 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 05:14:13 *** Zeknurn` [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 05:18:21 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:18:21 *** Zeknurn` is now known as Zeknurn 05:24:32 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d142-179-78-88.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 10.0.2/20120216100510]] 05:55:43 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B72688.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 05:56:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B73CDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:04:31 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Snail_] 06:22:19 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-243-25-39.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 06:36:14 <xiong> I'm doing some junction testing and came on an unexpected result by mistake. 06:37:23 <xiong> I inadvertently included an unreachable station in the order list, which (I suppose) meant that trains waiting to enter the junction were willing to take any route out of it, rather than the "next" ordered. 06:39:06 <xiong> So, it seems, the junction was able to carry a higher volume of traffic. The implication this suggests to me is that you can extract a little more volume from your network, presuming pax and mail, if you give your trains no orders at all and allow them to visit stations randomly. 06:42:57 *** chester [~chester@128-72-23-54.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 06:56:10 *** cmircea [~cmircea@86.124.217.99] has joined #openttd 07:11:44 *** pjpe [ae5f3ed9@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 07:13:55 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 07:29:41 *** lmergen [~lmergen@5352EA70.cm-6-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 07:34:24 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:46:44 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-008-248.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 08:03:31 <andythenorth> moin 08:04:12 <Rubidium> morning andy 08:06:56 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:12:37 <Rhamphoryncus> heya andy 08:13:22 * andythenorth wonders 08:13:44 <andythenorth> in python, can an arbitrary function be passed to a method as an arg, then used by the method? 08:15:28 <Rhamphoryncus> yes 08:15:42 <Rhamphoryncus> functions are ordinary objects 08:19:09 <Rhamphoryncus> bound methods can be passed around too. x.foo() is merely (x.foo)() 08:24:15 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-008-248.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 08:26:57 <Arafangion> andythenorth: Rather, you should question why you wouldn't be able to do that, and if you can't, pick a better language. 08:36:51 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-132-172.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:39:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A48A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:41:40 <andythenorth> but (obvious) I have to explicitly declare a function, otherwise it will be evaluated 08:41:41 <andythenorth> nvm 08:41:52 * andythenorth has it solved 08:42:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23983 /trunk/src/fileio.cpp: -Fix [FS#5083]: tarred heightmaps wouldn't be found 08:42:40 * andythenorth was bamboozled by lambdas 08:45:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23984 /trunk/ (5 files in 2 dirs): -Fix [FS#5082]: fix the order of lights on the helipad (PaulC) 08:47:26 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 08:50:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:51:14 *** waterfoul [~chatzilla@67.129.121.103] has left #openttd [] 08:59:50 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host217-43-109-177.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:00:11 <LordAro> mornings 09:03:31 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 09:05:58 <Terkhen> good morning 09:07:05 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:09:12 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 09:10:03 <Rhamphoryncus> Bollocks. 5 years in before I even noticed us train set had disabled itself :P 09:16:59 *** unknown_ [~unknown@c-98-250-3-58.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 09:26:27 <Zuu> Write an AI instead of playing the game directly. Then you can just restart when you find out things like this. ;-) 09:32:03 <Rhamphoryncus> hehe 09:32:18 <Rhamphoryncus> I just might 09:32:36 <Rhamphoryncus> Not soon though. I have to accomplish some world domination first. 09:33:44 *** lmergen [~lmergen@5352EA70.cm-6-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:34:52 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:34:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 09:36:50 *** lmergen [~lmergen@5352EA70.cm-6-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:39:05 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@193.52.24.37] has joined #openttd 09:39:54 <planetmaker> hehe. The ominous 'play me' button :-P 09:41:11 <Alberth> moin 09:41:24 <planetmaker> good morning 09:43:00 <LordAro> playing OTTD? how do you do that? 09:43:16 <Alberth> playing a new game? 09:43:53 <planetmaker> LordAro: Try the tutorial. Maybe you then know ;-) 09:44:08 <Alberth> :) 09:44:08 <LordAro> :D 09:44:09 * planetmaker is happy that this answer becomes more and more valid 09:44:33 <planetmaker> Zuu is doing good work on that :-) 09:45:16 <Rhamphoryncus> planetmaker: actually, for me "world domination" involves getting patches accepted upstream ;) 09:45:22 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:45:31 * LordAro wonders if the tutorial will ever be included in 'vanilla' OTTD 09:45:56 <planetmaker> if you ask me: yes 09:46:19 <planetmaker> though certainly not before 1.3 09:46:44 <Alberth> so many wiki pages that need to be included first :p 09:47:00 <planetmaker> Well. It need not cover everything to be included IMHO 09:47:09 <andythenorth> ooh Alberth is here :) 09:47:17 <Alberth> no, just the basics would be very good already 09:47:29 * Alberth looks around 09:47:42 <Alberth> huh, he's here? 09:47:48 <LordAro> where? 09:47:55 <Alberth> hi andy :) 09:48:29 <andythenorth> Alberth: I've been thinking about PixaSequence 09:48:48 <andythenorth> presumably it would be setup something like: foo = PixaSequence(seq=[...]) 09:49:19 <andythenorth> and if we have PixaLoad for external images, something like: bar = PixaSequence(PixaLoad(path, options)) 09:51:21 <Alberth> not sure about the constructors, but something in that order, yeah 09:52:36 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-183-143.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 09:54:19 <andythenorth> k 09:54:50 <andythenorth> do we try and spec everything first, or do I just start sticking new classes into the test code experimentally? 09:55:49 <Rubidium> the latter, then when you're done with the experimentation create specs as then you know what you need 09:55:56 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:56:23 <andythenorth> +1 09:56:29 <Alberth> and then trash everything and build version 2 :D 09:56:37 <andythenorth> v3 :) 09:58:23 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-100-187.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:59:18 <andythenorth> PixaMixer - I don't have a clear idea of yet 09:59:30 <andythenorth> the paste from Thursday(?) suggests it only modifies one colour 09:59:47 <Alberth> that was just an example 10:00:15 <Alberth> you seem to have many things or many ways you want to change a sequence 10:00:25 <andythenorth> yup 10:00:35 <andythenorth> I think PixaMixers are nearly entirely custom in every case 10:00:37 <Alberth> for each case, make a (derived) class 10:01:15 <andythenorth> so PixaMixers adapt sequences... 10:01:21 <Alberth> I think it is less bad, the general replacement pattern is fixed, the values they replace differ 10:01:29 <andythenorth> +1 10:01:58 <Alberth> ie you may want to replace a colour range by another one, so make such a class, and parameterize on the colour ranges to replace 10:02:55 <andythenorth> so to use them...my idea is either to call the sequence, passing pixamixer(s), or call the pixamixer, passing sequence 10:03:33 <andythenorth> does it really matter either way? 10:03:39 <Alberth> either will do, I think 10:04:16 <Alberth> in fact, you could see a sequence as a special mixer, namely one that returns a fixed sequence 10:04:22 <andythenorth> yup 10:04:51 <andythenorth> all I want to do is modify the 'return' function of the sequence 10:05:18 <andythenorth> k 10:05:31 <andythenorth> in between baby stuff, I'll test this with my existing code 10:05:46 <Zuu> planetmaker: yea, 1.2 would be to early for it to stabilize. However, hopefully some 1.2 users will still find it on bananas and find it useful. 10:05:54 <andythenorth> will be a few hours I guess :P 10:06:30 <planetmaker> Zuu: of course 10:07:06 <planetmaker> I mean... getting it into 1.2 is... not something anyone expects or thought of 10:07:28 <planetmaker> The question was only: will it be shipped directly later? And I think that's a good idea 10:11:58 *** lmergen [~lmergen@5352EA70.cm-6-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:12:19 *** JVassie [~James@2.27.104.165] has joined #openttd 10:12:29 <LordAro> Rubidium: your create script lags my computer somewhat :L 10:21:36 <LordAro> Rubidium: which megapack did you use? i'm using the latest 'dev' version and it still results in errors... 10:23:38 *** K0L3C [~K0L3C@77-254-174-136.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #openttd 10:23:39 <K0L3C> Hello. 10:36:07 *** pjpe [ae5f3ed9@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:38:03 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:40:06 <K0L3C> I think I'll never learn complicated railroad building. 10:41:06 <Alberth> that's fine :) 10:41:41 <K0L3C> But I know that obviously with the knowledge of constructing complicated railroad networks I would easily win. 10:42:25 <Alberth> oh, you want to have competition even while playing? :( 10:42:40 <Alberth> real life not giving you enough challenges? 10:42:41 <K0L3C> No, I just want to have as much fun as possible. 10:42:51 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d08ff31.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:42:57 <Chris_Booth> K0L3C: why not find a copetition server? 10:43:08 <K0L3C> Chris: Because I don't feel good enough. 10:45:33 * Alberth fails to see the fun == win equation 10:45:55 <K0L3C> I see you don't understand what am I trying to say. 10:48:03 <K0L3C> I just want to be more skilled in building complicated networks, to then see them work successfully. 10:48:12 <K0L3C> That's the real win, to learn something complicated. 10:48:39 <Alberth> that makes sense :) 10:49:39 <Alberth> a co-op server is a very good place to learn that, imho 10:50:21 <Alberth> (as Chris already said) 10:50:33 <Rhamphoryncus> indeed, I've been learning a great deal on openttdcoop 10:50:52 <Chris_Booth> yes K0L3C check out #openttdcoop / #openttdcoop.stable 10:50:55 <Alberth> note that in general, you don't need to be any good, you just need to be motivated enough to invest time and effort in it 10:51:02 <Chris_Booth> they are a good place to start 10:57:31 <Rubidium> LordAro: I didn't use the dev one 10:57:53 <LordAro> i thought not :) 10:58:06 <LordAro> i'm currently going through fixing problems with mask sprites 10:59:59 <LordAro> Rubidium: how hard would it be to modify your script for doing all sprites (not just the ones in ogfx1_base) ? 11:00:59 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-64-166.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 11:01:02 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 11:01:27 <Rubidium> LordAro: you'd need to figure out what the offsets are of the other sprites 11:01:36 <Rubidium> offsets as in sprite numbers 11:02:19 <Rubidium> LordAro: there seem to be invalid PNGs in the dev package 11:02:53 <LordAro> i'll take a look when i manage too fix all the problems with the dev package 11:03:21 <LordAro> about the invalid PNGs: how can i find out which? all the script outputs is "Invalid PNG" 11:03:37 <Rubidium> I reckon it's those pngs with size 0 11:03:49 <Zuu> If you don't want to play coop, you could also join the #openttdcoop welcome server which is quite nice for playing alone. 11:03:54 <Rubidium> and/or the ones nforenum complains about 11:04:15 <LordAro> Rubidium: probably, how can i get ls (or similar) to display file size? 11:04:33 <Alberth> ls -l 11:04:47 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:04:49 <planetmaker> LordAro: what errors does that script make? 11:06:01 <Alberth> ls -l | grep " 0 " <-- gives a bit less output 11:06:05 <Rubidium> find . -size 0 11:06:27 <Alberth> better suggestion :) 11:06:32 <Rubidium> then there's also quite a number of sprites that don't define x or y (or both) offsets 11:06:41 <LordAro> unrecognised palette (warning), 11:07:03 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-183-143.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:07:04 <LordAro> "A portion of sprite <num> could not be processed." 11:07:22 <Rubidium> and then there's also maybe two cases where the script goes haywire (sprite 0 and 1) 11:07:35 <LordAro> "Invalid PNG file" <- while "Constructing NFO" 11:07:47 <Rubidium> LordAro: those are the empty files 11:08:21 <LordAro> thought as much 11:08:21 <Rubidium> the sprite that can't be processed are mostly missing offsets 11:08:38 <Rubidium> the 'nice' thing of nforenum is that it filters though out of the nfo 11:10:10 <Rubidium> then there are also masks with 1 bit instead of 8 bit colours 11:10:13 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-76-25.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 11:10:18 <Rubidium> file *m* | grep -v '8-bit' 11:11:24 <Rubidium> for i in *[^m].png; do pngcodec l $i | grep -v offs; done contains most of the sprites without offset 11:11:34 <Rubidium> possibly all, but I haven't tested that 11:12:30 <planetmaker> for the devpack I don't get a single 32bpp sprite. All commented out 11:13:17 <Rubidium> for i in `for i in *[^m].png; do pngcodec l $i | gr's/ .*//'; done`; do pngcodec a $i x_offs=0 y_offs=0; done should actually add offsets (of 0) 11:14:02 <planetmaker> yes, it does that 11:14:13 <planetmaker> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1151/ 11:14:27 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:15:10 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-58-212.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:16:24 <Rubidium> planetmaker: your output of file probably is different 11:18:09 <planetmaker> 3960.png: PNG image, 64 x 35, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced 11:18:48 <planetmaker> the 8-bit/color looks like it should be something else 11:20:45 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:21:19 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5b6b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:21:56 <Rubidium> 820_z1m.png: PNG image data, 103 x 59, 8-bit colormap, non-interlaced 11:22:23 <Rubidium> 973_z1.png: PNG image data, 74 x 36, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced 11:22:34 <Rubidium> for me there's a 'data' extra 11:22:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:23:09 <planetmaker> thanks 11:23:17 <planetmaker> that's then easy to fix 11:24:20 <LordAro> it would seem so 11:24:22 <planetmaker> though I have to say, an ogfx1_base.grf with 30kB size is also nice 11:24:41 <Alberth> :) 11:25:01 <LordAro> umm, yeah... :) 11:25:44 <K0L3C> This looks kinda weird when two biggest ships in the game pass through themselves in a 1x1 canal. 11:26:00 <Rubidium> planetmaker: http://rbijker.net/openttd/create.txt might work better for you 11:27:05 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:29:00 <K0L3C> When you have water in land, and you demolish it, it becomes a land. 11:29:04 <K0L3C> Weird. 11:29:52 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 11:31:20 <Rubidium> again a newer version. This one creates a nfo without problems 11:32:01 <LordAro> i should 'update' ? 11:33:37 <appe> morning people 11:33:41 <Rubidium> now you should 11:34:08 <appe> i was just wondering, the materieel '34 train seems to be having the wrong speed set in it's grf. 11:34:25 <appe> if im in game, where can i see the name of the grf a unit belongs to? 11:34:45 <K0L3C> I think I've found a bug? 11:35:07 <MNIM> appe: questionmark button? 11:35:11 <Rubidium> please don't harm the bug and release it in the wild, especially if it's a lady bug 11:35:25 <K0L3C> No, I found an OpenTTD bug. 11:35:30 <LordAro> Rubidium: i've already fixed 2604m :) 11:35:41 <LordAro> (of course, have to wait until tomorrow to see fix) 11:35:52 <appe> MNIM: ah, i see. 11:36:21 <MNIM> well, not sure if it works on moving units, actually. I know it works on tiles at least. 11:36:29 <K0L3C> I've got an "Å" in my name, and the last piece of Å is out of the name bar, making white dots on the map. 11:36:35 <K0L3C> Lemme get a screenshot 11:37:01 <appe> the question mark button doesnt seem to respond to the trains. 11:37:51 <MNIM> yeah, I checked it. it doesn't :( 11:37:56 <Rubidium> LordAro: I don't really care whether it gets fixed. The script is a big hack and sprites that are done should be coded properly into opengfx 11:38:12 <appe> the wiki articles i find about the trains tells me it was only built for 125km/h. 11:38:35 <K0L3C> http://i.imgur.com/I4uZX.jpg\ 11:38:38 <K0L3C> http://i.imgur.com/I4uZX.jpg 11:38:42 <Zuu> K0L3C: Which font do you use? Bitmap font from OpenGFX/Original or a TTF font? 11:38:43 <Rubidium> or at least in a proper NewGRF as the method my script employs fails for non-temperate 11:38:45 <K0L3C> Look. 11:38:46 <appe> http://i.imgur.com/6jxSS.png 11:38:51 <K0L3C> OpenTTD font. 11:38:57 <appe> K0L3C: i get that -alot- 11:39:01 <Rubidium> opengfx bug ;) 11:39:19 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-008-248.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 11:39:28 <appe> something that bugs me with that error is that it follow the same lines i get in my putty connection. 11:39:40 <appe> same sort of lines, same color and distance from eachother. 11:39:47 <appe> and the software aint related. 11:39:49 <Zuu> K0L3C: Do you use opengfx or original graphics? 11:39:54 <K0L3C> OpenGFX 11:39:57 <Rubidium> LordAro: to compile a grf (much) faster you should add "-n" to the grfcodec parameters 11:40:00 <appe> i didnt report it, since i thought it was a local hardware malfunction. 11:40:12 <appe> MNIM: http://i.imgur.com/6jxSS.png 11:40:12 <Zuu> Then you use the OpenGFX font if you hasn't selected a system TTF font. 11:40:35 <K0L3C> What's exactly TTF? 11:40:35 <LordAro> Rubidium/whoever: i'm not sure that the 32bpp sprites should be included in the 'main' opengfx, perhaps a branch of it instead? 11:40:52 <planetmaker> Why shouldn't they? 11:40:59 <K0L3C> Rubidium: I've murdered that bug. 11:41:03 <K0L3C> It wasn't a lady bug though. 11:41:10 <K0L3C> It was a bettle. 11:41:11 <Zuu> K0L3C: True Type Font 11:41:23 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:41:24 <K0L3C> Doesn't OpenGFX already have TTF font? 11:41:29 <planetmaker> no 11:41:39 <planetmaker> and it can't have 11:41:48 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:41:54 <K0L3C> Then what do to fix it/ 11:42:02 <Rubidium> LordAro: I would envision a 8bpp only OpenGFX build and a 32bpp/EZ "enriched" OpenGFX build 11:42:25 <LordAro> that is precisely what i was thinking :) 11:42:36 <Zuu> The sprite in OpenGFX that contains that character that you have problem with has probably wrong boundary size. 11:42:39 <Rubidium> where the former can be extracted from the latter during the building stage by means of stripping the 32bpp/EZ sprites out of OpenGFX 11:42:43 <planetmaker> But there's no need for a branch whatsoever, LordAro 11:42:54 <planetmaker> for the reason Rubi just mentioned 11:43:12 <MNIM> Appe: nice. 11:43:14 <Zuu> K0L3C: So unless planetmaker as already noted the bug as a ticket, you should report your problem in the OpenGFX development thread. 11:43:28 * planetmaker hasn't 11:43:33 <Rubidium> LordAro: where I said -n I meant -u. Compiling with -n takes much longer as it tries to find the best compression whereas -u saves the sprites "uncompressed" 11:43:40 <planetmaker> though it looks funnily familiar 11:43:46 <K0L3C> Zuu: It'll be hard for me to explain because my english dictionary is poor. 11:44:07 <K0L3C> In my head ofc. 11:44:20 <Zuu> The screenshot you made, is showing your problem and you managed to explain it here. 11:44:29 <LordAro> planetmaker/Rubidium: ah, ok, that also makes sense :) 11:44:34 <K0L3C> Duh, then I need to make the forum account. 11:44:36 <K0L3C> Eh. 11:44:39 <K0L3C> BRB 11:45:14 <LordAro> how to make a tar file from terminal? 11:45:25 <Zuu> tar -cf my_tar.tar my_files 11:45:41 <LordAro> ty 11:46:08 <Zuu> my_files can of course either be a list of several files, a dictionary or using glob. 11:46:47 <planetmaker> /dev/urandom :-P 11:47:16 <K0L3C> Zuu 11:47:24 <K0L3C> I should post it in OpenTTD Graphics right? 11:47:24 <Alberth> /dev/zero :) 11:47:24 <Zuu> planetmaker: will that tar ever be completed? 11:47:31 <planetmaker> I guess not 11:47:34 <K0L3C> Or rather Graphics Development? 11:47:40 <LordAro> thats better Archive Manager (File Roller?) seems to screw up the symlinks... 11:47:54 <planetmaker> K0L3C: the OpenGFX thread in the graphics development forum 11:47:57 <Rubidium> LordAro: why would you need symlinks? 11:48:17 <K0L3C> OpenTTD Graphics? 11:48:18 <K0L3C> Ok. 11:48:26 <LordAro> for the tar format, caused the sprites to be 0bytes in megapack, iirc 11:48:35 <Zuu> K0L3C: Graphics Development 11:49:05 <Rubidium> LordAro: but you shouldn't keep the tar format 11:49:15 <planetmaker> namely this thread, K0L3C: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=38122 11:49:15 <Zuu> K0L3C: This thread: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=38122 11:49:23 <planetmaker> :-) 11:49:26 <Zuu> :-) 11:49:33 <LordAro> i know, but for now, and until jupix has more time to update stuff, i shall keep with it 11:49:40 * appe breaks the mood by making planetmaker a strudel 11:49:51 <Rubidium> LordAro: my script is merely meant to show that constructing the NFO from the PNGs is relatively easy and converting that to nml shouldn't be that much of an effort 11:50:14 <Alberth> provided you have sane images 11:50:22 <LordAro> planetmaker/Zuu: great minds think at exactly the same pace :) 11:50:35 <K0L3C> Okay I posted. 11:50:46 <LordAro> Rubidium: yes, but it's also very good at finding errors :) 11:51:19 <Rubidium> though jupix demanding documentation because he doesn't understand the script sounds to me that he isn't really a (software) engineer and that the current procedures might not be the best at all 11:51:28 <Rubidium> it's all pretty untransparent to me 11:51:45 <LordAro> when has he demanded documentation? 11:51:46 <Zuu> K0L3C: Better post in the OpenGFX thread that I and planetmaker linked to than in a new thread 11:52:00 <K0L3C> Zuu: >:| 11:52:08 <Zuu> Before someone replies to your post you can delete it and re-post it in the thread. 11:52:15 <Rubidium> LordAro: "I would suggest you write that manual now" 11:52:26 <K0L3C> What the hell is so hard in already giving me a link before me posting. 11:52:41 <Alberth> LordAro: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=997114#p997114 11:52:49 <Rubidium> to me that sounds like a nicely disguised demand 11:52:57 <planetmaker> disguised? 11:53:29 <Rubidium> planetmaker: the meaning of the word? Or that is isn't disguised at all? 11:53:31 <K0L3C> Great, FF freezed. 11:53:37 <planetmaker> the latter 11:53:51 <K0L3C> How do I delete my thread? 11:53:58 <Alberth> planetmaker: perhaps not enough :) 11:54:02 <Rubidium> planetmaker: but he "suggests" it 11:54:09 <Zuu> K0L3C: Click on the "X" of your post. 11:54:23 <Zuu> To the right I think. 11:54:51 <K0L3C> And post it where exactly? 11:55:00 <K0L3C> Gimme the link before making another mistake :< 11:55:02 <Zuu> <Zuu> K0L3C: This thread: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=38122 <--- 11:55:27 <K0L3C> And make a new post in this thread? 11:55:28 <planetmaker> which now was given three times... :-P 11:55:30 <Zuu> Yep 11:56:20 <planetmaker> just reply in that thread 11:57:00 <K0L3C> Okay, did,. 11:57:14 <Zuu> Great! 11:57:46 <Yexo> looks like the status bar is not high enough for the font 11:58:00 <K0L3C> Yeah, it's just one little pixel. 11:58:14 <Zuu> Isn't it that the fon't is telling OpenTTD the wrong character height? 11:58:41 <planetmaker> I dimly remember to have seen that *ages* ago. 11:58:41 <Zuu> font* 11:58:53 <planetmaker> though... I thought it was a long-solved issue. Maybe not 11:58:55 <Rubidium> the sprite font has a predefined fontsize 11:59:00 <Yexo> Zuu: if it's the pixel font in OpenGFX: the font size is hardcoded 11:59:09 <planetmaker> Maybe the font characters are just too high for the sprite fonts. And there's no re-sizing done for them 11:59:12 <K0L3C> Maybe making the name bar one-two pixels bigger will fix hat? 11:59:21 <Rubidium> and thus the sprite font is drawn too high 11:59:23 <K0L3C> That* 11:59:32 <planetmaker> K0L3C: rather making the letter one px smaller 11:59:43 <Zuu> Or they might overflow at other places. 11:59:47 <K0L3C> Then it will be an S with a . 11:59:52 <Alberth> K0L3C: name bar adjusts itself to the size of the contents 12:00:05 <planetmaker> Alberth: but not to sprite fonts, or? 12:00:12 <appe> how come "full load any any cargo" doesnt make the train load ..full of cargo? 12:00:16 <planetmaker> their size is hard-coded to 6, 12, 18 px 12:00:21 <planetmaker> or something like that 12:00:21 <Yexo> planetmaker: it does, to the hardcoded size of the sprite fonts 12:00:24 *** Elukka [~Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:00:26 <planetmaker> yes 12:00:28 <Alberth> planetmaker: to the size that the fonts say they have ;) 12:00:29 <appe> it loads 50% of the carts with 100%, and the other half with 50%. 12:00:44 <planetmaker> Alberth: the font cannot say it has ;-) It's in fontconfig.cpp or so 12:00:44 *** _maddy [~plaiho@182.21.240.77.static.louhi.net] has joined #openttd 12:00:46 <Zuu> appe: Do you have more than one cargo type on yoru train? 12:01:01 <Zuu> That order makes sure one cargo type is loaded 100%. 12:01:22 <Zuu> Pick the "Full load" order if you want to full load all cargo types. 12:03:14 <appe> Zuu: yes, i do. though, when the train stops at a station that supplies only one of the cargo, it doesnt fill up all of the carts with the stuff. 12:04:40 <_maddy> anyone available who could look at my savegame and help me with one problem? 12:05:29 <Rubidium> I guess that depends on the version of OpenTTD and the actual problem 12:05:44 <planetmaker> and on asking the actual question 12:05:47 <planetmaker> @topic get -3 12:05:47 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Don't ask to ask, just ask 12:07:21 <_maddy> it's a routing/junction problem, my first question is how well does it work that trains get a penalty when passing a pathsignal from the backside (and using that to set a priority) 12:09:12 <_maddy> have 2 tracks, and want trains to take left if it is free, otherwise the right one...I have 2 types of trains, and it works for one, but not the other 12:09:46 <Zuu> How does the train types differ? 12:10:20 <_maddy> different cargo, and different destination station, so the route is a bit different, but that is a long way from this junction 12:10:21 <Alberth> 'other' is not behind the first one? trains also avoid driving too close to a pre-decessor 12:11:28 <_maddy> Alberth: not sure what you mean 12:13:27 *** lmergen [~lmergen@5352EA70.cm-6-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 12:15:09 <_maddy> so my first question is, what is the recommended way to do priorities? and what kind of penalty does passing of pathsignal from the backside give to the pathfinder? 12:17:03 <Alberth> if two trains are driving after each other close to each other, the second one will try to find a different route to avoid getting blocked by the first one 12:17:46 <_maddy> right 12:18:16 <_maddy> not related to my scenario though 12:19:16 <Alberth> ok 12:19:46 <Alberth> if you open openttd.cfg with a text editor, you can see the penalties in the section called [pf] 12:20:26 <_maddy> thanks, that's useful, now we are getting somewhere 12:21:17 <Alberth> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1152/ <-- I have a lot :) 12:21:53 <_maddy> you can modify all of them with texteditor, or does openttd overwrite the file? 12:22:50 <Alberth> openttd writes the file on exit, normally 12:23:03 <Alberth> you can also change them in-game from the console 12:23:22 *** macee [~macee@dsl51B65EBE.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #openttd 12:23:57 *** macee is now known as Guest3953 12:24:06 <Alberth> note that my cfg file is quite old, and it may contain old and obsolete settings 12:24:07 *** Guest3953 is now known as macee 12:24:11 *** Doorslammer [7da86216@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:24:58 <_maddy> so yapf looks ahead 10 signals by default? 12:25:52 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@178.248.252.217] has joined #openttd 12:25:56 <Alberth> no idea, I never looked at those settings 12:26:03 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-132-172.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:27:09 <Alberth> I am happy with whatever the trains pick 12:27:15 <planetmaker> that's what I recall to be true 12:28:13 *** DayDreamer [~DayDreame@178.248.252.217] has quit [] 12:28:53 <_maddy> the values are interesting, penalty for first red is 1000 but 1500 for passing a pbs signal from the back 12:29:26 <Alberth> planetmaker: sounds like a lot, perhaps for people with very short block length 12:31:38 <planetmaker> Alberth: it's at that value as long as I remember. Or I don't remember seeing a change there 12:32:04 * K0L3C wonders what's the reason of plastic bottles making shooting sounds in the dark. 12:32:30 <Alberth> planetmaker: a typical case of "don't fix it if it isn't broken" :) 12:33:49 <planetmaker> absolutely 12:33:59 <planetmaker> especially these PF values 12:34:20 <K0L3C> planetmaker, because you are not a human being, but probably an intelligent unknown creature from outter space, please explain it to me, why plastic bottles sometimes make shooting sounds in the dark. 12:35:05 <planetmaker> ... 12:35:27 <planetmaker> pressure gradients and low Young's modulus? 12:35:53 <K0L3C> Hmm, makes sense. Do you know motivations of plastic bottles doing that? 12:35:54 <Alberth> K0L3C: it's an illusion, they do it in day-light too 12:36:01 <K0L3C> Do they want to slowly murder every human on Earth? 12:36:22 <planetmaker> no. only selected individuals. For thorough examination and replacement by a bot 12:36:29 <K0L3C> D: 12:37:28 <_maddy> ok, seems I got this somewhat fixed by adjusting the penalty signal a bit further back, thrus reducing its value 12:39:23 <Alberth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=58578 <-- a succesful attempt to make a triple-track, perhaps of interest for you _maddy ? 12:40:50 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:41:09 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 12:41:47 <_maddy> Alberth: I'm such a newbie to this game that I can barely make any junctions work, I will have to play a lot more before trying to figure out complex things like that 12:43:46 <Alberth> ok :) 12:43:47 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 12:44:15 <K0L3C> "Can teenagers party without alcohol" "Yes. But why?" 12:47:28 <K0L3C> Alberth. 12:47:42 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:49:21 <planetmaker> K0L3C: with random, unmotivated total off-topic highlights you won't make friends here 12:49:47 <K0L3C> planetmaker: But I wanted to ask Alberth if that's possible to make two planes crash into themselves in mid air. 12:49:55 * MNIM panics. 12:50:16 <MNIM> my PC is telling me that my internal HD is about to crash and burn. 12:50:16 <planetmaker> yes, it's possible. Go through the news of the last years 12:50:27 <MNIM> please excuse me while I freak the fuck out. 12:50:32 <K0L3C> MNIM 12:50:40 <K0L3C> Evacuate to the nuclear bunker. 12:50:59 <K0L3C> And get some anti-depressants. 12:51:12 <andythenorth> MNIM: stop freaking out. start backing up, carefully 12:51:17 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-76-25.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 12:51:20 <andythenorth> in priority order 12:51:26 <planetmaker> and, K0L3C, if you have a general question, it's good behaviour to not highlight a specific person. Unless you know that this person and only that person can answer your question 12:51:27 <MNIM> That's what Im doing right now. 12:51:31 <andythenorth> if you try and backup *everything* you may stress the drive 12:51:39 <andythenorth> so pick what you really don't want to lose 12:51:43 <K0L3C> Okay planetmaker, I won't./ 12:51:51 <MNIM> Yeah, only gonna save ~ and my self-made stuff from XPlane. 12:52:07 <MNIM> the rest should be recoverable with an install disk or two. 12:52:13 <andythenorth> and maybe stay out of other apps ;) they may be hitting disk for swap etc 12:52:31 *** lmergen [~lmergen@5352EA70.cm-6-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:52:50 <MNIM> ...Uh. why is my home folder some ten GB large? 12:53:00 <K0L3C> Unknown. 12:54:43 <K0L3C> What's the biggest memory unit existing on PC's? 12:54:59 <K0L3C> The biggest one I've heard of was a Petabyte or something like that, which is 1024TB 12:55:17 <Rubidium> yotta? 12:55:26 <K0L3C> How much is it? 12:55:42 <Rubidium> @calc 2**(24*3) 12:55:42 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 4722366482869645213696 12:55:58 <K0L3C> Of what? 12:56:03 <Eddi|zuHause> shouldn't that be like a Yobbiebyte? :p 12:56:03 <Rubidium> bytes 12:56:23 <K0L3C> That's hard to calculate to PB's 12:56:27 <planetmaker> MNIM: 10 GB for your home folder is... small 12:56:37 <MNIM> In linux? 12:56:41 <Rubidium> K0L3C: it isn't 12:56:43 <planetmaker> considering that all your data should reside therein (or sub folders) 12:57:00 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-76-25.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:57:06 <Rubidium> 1 yottabyte = 1024 zetta byte = 1048576 exa byte = Afrekening hosting server 2011 12:57:07 <MNIM> Well, I avoid putting any self-made data in there, but game data and settings do reside there. 12:57:17 <Rubidium> hmm, copy failed 12:57:19 <K0L3C> Mind fucked. 12:57:32 <planetmaker> MNIM: where do you put your data then, if not in your home dir? 12:57:33 <MNIM> and a lot of that is hard to reproduce. 12:57:43 <planetmaker> the root dir? 12:57:43 <MNIM> Separate partitions. 12:57:44 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-76-25.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 12:57:48 <MNIM> separate drives, in face. 12:57:50 <MNIM> *fact 12:57:53 <planetmaker> yes... but aren't they part of the home dir? 12:57:57 <MNIM> Nope. 12:58:02 <Rubidium> = 1073741824 petabyte 12:58:09 <MNIM> other drives reside in /media/ 12:58:14 <K0L3C> Many 12:58:15 <MNIM> at least they do in buntu 10.10 12:58:15 <K0L3C> Too many. 12:58:17 <K0L3C> Imagine the porn. 12:58:19 <planetmaker> sounds tedious. I mount my 2nd HDD to ~/data :-) 12:58:52 <andythenorth> my ~/ is so big it's still calculating :P 12:58:53 *** NOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-76-25.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 12:58:56 <Rubidium> though I must've made an error 12:59:05 <MNIM> automount. anyway, I prefer it to have programs pull data from the main drive, not the external disk. 12:59:09 <Eddi|zuHause> /media is for automounted stuff, i mount my drives in /mnt, and put symlinks to them in ~ 12:59:30 <Rubidium> @calc 2**80 12:59:30 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 1208925819614629174706176 12:59:41 <appe> http://www.springersmusic.co.uk/images/photos/cars/Past%20cars/Lagonda%20Rapide.JPG 12:59:44 <Rubidium> that's better for number of bytes in a yottabyte 13:00:00 *** EyeMWing [~Wing@c-68-33-226-154.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:00:25 <planetmaker> hm, is there a way to start the SE with a complete map generated? 13:00:35 <planetmaker> without the need to click half a dozen times? 13:00:47 <Rubidium> planetmaker: nope 13:00:48 <MNIM> Hmmmh. there's one suspect. 13:01:00 <MNIM> ~/.UT2004 contains at least a gig. 13:01:20 <Rubidium> ~/.VirtualBox contains at least 80GB ;) 13:01:21 <Eddi|zuHause> 917G 795G 123G 87% /home 13:01:24 <MNIM> ah, and there's the rest: ~/.wine contains 7.4GB 13:01:54 <planetmaker> pity. But sounds like a feature request I could write in my own book 13:01:58 <Yexo> ~/openttd contains over 10G, but I'm sure others will beat that 13:02:10 <planetmaker> Yexo: sure 13:02:26 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: start a new game, load it in SE? 13:02:29 <andythenorth> my ~/ is 171GB 13:02:35 * andythenorth shrugs 13:02:50 <K0L3C> What's ~/? 13:02:55 <Rubidium> my .openttd is only 1.3G 13:03:06 <Yexo> my .openttd is only 422M 13:03:07 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: weird, i have 2G 13:03:21 <Yexo> not enough savegames / scenarios 13:03:24 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: more savegames? 13:03:27 <K0L3C> My openttd is only 32MB 13:03:35 <Eddi|zuHause> although, that covers my development grf checkouts 13:04:00 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-76-25.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:04:03 <Eddi|zuHause> saves are 1GB 13:04:10 <Rubidium> though I can easily add ~150 MiB of NewGRFs (two NewGRFs to be precises) 13:04:22 <planetmaker> :-P 13:04:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: 32bpp-complete? :p 13:04:55 <Rubidium> more 32bpp incomplete 13:05:04 <Rubidium> still so much is missing 13:05:13 <Rubidium> but it's less visible than with opengfx missing sprites 13:05:27 <Rubidium> furthermore there are some graphical issues with 32bpp sprites 13:05:28 <planetmaker> LordAro: btw, is it correct that I found no single sprite in the arctic, toyland, tropical and logo folders? 13:05:44 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-76-25.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:05:45 <LordAro> of the megapack? 13:05:47 <Rubidium> e.g. their shadows which glitch significantly when scrolling 13:05:48 <planetmaker> yes 13:05:53 <LordAro> no... :L 13:06:13 <Rubidium> the non-dev doesn't contain sprites beyond the base1 folder 13:06:13 <planetmaker> I downloaded the one from 24 Feb. And found not a single png in those folders 13:06:23 <Eddi|zuHause> shadows are just alpha-channel tranparency, or? 13:06:25 <Rubidium> the dev version has sprites in other folders as well 13:06:29 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: yes 13:06:29 <planetmaker> hm 13:06:44 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: but they reach far outside of the bounding box of the sprites 13:06:58 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, ok. 13:07:17 <planetmaker> I think all openttd stuff covers 36GB here. Add the ~/Documents/OpenTTD folder with NewGRFs 13:07:30 <planetmaker> and saves which is another 3 ... 5 GB 13:07:38 <LordAro> planetmaker/Rubidium: yes, i think thats because no non-base1 sprite is finished to the satisfaction of the standard pack 13:07:46 <LordAro> alternateively, it may be broken :) 13:08:02 <Rubidium> my script doesn't work on them anyway 13:08:18 <Rubidium> and it even makes temperate sprites show in non temperate climates 13:08:29 <Rubidium> which is why the script is and always remains a hack 13:08:51 <Eddi|zuHause> someone explain to me why civ5 stopped working? 13:10:38 <LordAro> windoze hate you :P 13:11:14 <K0L3C> Duh 13:11:19 <Eddi|zuHause> no such thing here :p 13:11:50 <_maddy> does old age of trains have any negative effects if breakdowns are disabled? 13:12:00 <planetmaker> no 13:12:26 <Eddi|zuHause> only that it constantly spams you with old age messages :p 13:12:28 <_maddy> ok 13:12:48 <_maddy> actually, for some reason I'm not getting the old age messages 13:13:29 <andythenorth> Alberth: (apart from I like the names)...I'm having trouble figuring out why PixaSequence and PixaMixer are different classes 13:14:23 <LordAro> Eddi|zuHause: civ5 via WINE? 13:14:24 <andythenorth> class derived from PixaSequence, with parameters when called -> would do same as PixaMixer? 13:15:58 <Alberth> I'd do it the other way around 13:16:27 <Alberth> making an empty pixa-mixer as base-class, and deriving a pixa-sequence and 'real' pixa-mixers from it 13:18:52 <Alberth> _maddy: you can adjust the news settings to get more spam: http://wiki.openttd.org/Message_settings :) 13:23:25 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... "27 files could not be checkt and will be redownloaded" 13:23:35 <Eddi|zuHause> how the hell did that happen? 13:24:23 <Eddi|zuHause> "download size: 7.7MB, remaining time: 48 hours" 13:24:52 <K0L3C> What the hell of internet is that. 13:24:56 *** lmergen [~lmergen@5352EA70.cm-6-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:27:37 <Eddi|zuHause> ... 24 seconds 13:28:21 <K0L3C> Duh. 13:34:24 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B73CDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:35:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B73CDD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:35:53 <andythenorth> Alberth: would the empty PixaMixer implement much? 13:36:00 <andythenorth> I'm kind of stuck on this bit right now :) 13:36:22 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: know the concept of "virtual" base classes? 13:36:30 <andythenorth> not really 13:37:03 <Eddi|zuHause> in python this would be: every function consists of "raise NotImplementedError" 13:37:53 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-76-25.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 13:38:14 <andythenorth> sounds like interfaces? 13:38:21 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 13:38:28 <Eddi|zuHause> closely related 13:38:52 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:40:24 <Alberth> basically, you make a do-nothing class, containing all functions (raising a NotImplementedError), as a description of the expected interface of such a class. 13:41:06 <andythenorth> then inherit from it, and implement the functions? 13:41:12 <Alberth> exactly 13:41:12 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 13:41:14 <andythenorth> hmm 13:41:18 * andythenorth is a bit out of depth 13:41:39 <Eddi|zuHause> this is very basic OOP :) 13:41:52 <andythenorth> I always managed to avoid it so far :) 13:42:03 <Alberth> making empty base classes is a bit more advanced :) 13:42:19 <andythenorth> if you use enough 'if' statements, you can avoid OOP for....about 10 years in my case 13:42:59 <Alberth> not sure how long I avoided it, but also for a number of years :) 13:43:17 <Eddi|zuHause> you can avoid OOP forever, but sometimes it's the most elegant solution :) 13:43:40 <andythenorth> in this case I have to think about the interface for grf authors as well 13:43:43 <Eddi|zuHause> yay... it actually started... 13:43:57 *** robotboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:43:57 <andythenorth> will they understand how to derive classes from a virtual base class? 13:43:59 *** NOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-76-25.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:44:24 <xiong> andythenorth, no. 13:45:23 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-132-172.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:48:01 <andythenorth> I'll implement PixaMixer and PixaSequence separately, simply, then we can see if they can be consolidated 13:48:15 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-008-248.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 13:50:00 *** namad7 [aaaaa@c-67-163-246-17.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:51:09 *** lmergen [~lmergen@5352EA70.cm-6-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:51:39 *** Graungaard [~Graungaar@0x5da4ab1a.cpe.ge-0-2-0-1101.abnqu2.customer.tele.dk] has joined #openttd 13:54:18 *** namad7 [aaaaa@c-67-163-246-17.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 13:57:54 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23985 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt lang/english_US.txt toolbar_gui.cpp): -Fix [FS#5074]: inconsistent quit/abandon/exit game/scenario/editor strings 14:00:47 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED04965.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:11:36 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED04965.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:15:56 <LordAro> would i be correct in saying the repo would (still) be useful for storing sources of 32bpp sprites? 14:24:19 * Alberth stores all sources in a repo 14:24:45 <Alberth> a repo beats manually exchanging & updating files by several miles 14:24:50 *** MINM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 14:28:27 <Rubidium> LordAro: the repo being Jupix thing? Then probably not 14:28:57 <Rubidium> the sources should be packaged with the thing compiling them, so if they would be in OpenGFX then the sources must be in OpenGFX 14:29:00 <planetmaker> LordAro: I'd add the usable 32bpp sprites bit by bit to the (existing) OpenGFX repo 14:29:04 <Rubidium> 's repository 14:29:48 <planetmaker> and actually I'd very much appreciate all help I can get there. I can yet create an OpenGFX with 32bpp due to NML not having that support yet. But that's bound to happen soon, I guess 14:29:49 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 14:29:49 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:30:22 <planetmaker> But then... I think we could already go through what can be included. But... I asked you that 2 months ago already :-) 14:30:41 <LordAro> i know :) 14:30:47 <LordAro> working on that... :) 14:31:08 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:45:19 *** Firartix [~artixds@38.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 14:59:31 *** peteris [~peteris@78.84.97.170] has joined #openttd 15:03:02 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:04:18 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:06:40 *** KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.15.140] has joined #openttd 15:24:05 <_maddy> so how did you guys manage to get openttd so stable? I play nightly builds and still pretty much no crashes 15:27:41 *** KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.15.140] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:29:22 <Zuu> _maddy: Any patches that are commited to trunk have to be reviewed and checked before the devs might accept them. 15:30:10 <Zuu> Among the devs themself I would guess that they review the work of others before it is added. 15:30:24 <planetmaker> Yes, we do. 15:31:09 <Zuu> Additionally good bug reports to bugs.openttd.org are useful to iron out bugs. 15:31:22 <MINM> Well, what helps is that with OTTD bugs go before features 15:32:19 <MINM> whereas with most modern coding efforts like, say, mainstream games, where games are released with known bugs because 'oh well, we'll patch that in a week' 15:37:07 <Ammler> openttd has no deadline :-) 15:38:10 <Yexo> most important reason: a lot of big features are not included on grounds of: not stable enough, needs more review, etc. 15:38:21 <frosch123> _maddy: no idea, ottd is crashing for me all day already 15:38:27 <Yexo> even one known bug is a good enough reason not to include some feature 15:42:08 <MINM> Depends on how large that bug is, eh 15:42:58 <planetmaker> not really 15:43:14 <planetmaker> more on whether it's a known bug or not ;-) 15:43:27 *** Firartix [~artixds@38.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:44:42 <MINM> lol 15:48:24 *** MINM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:50:59 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:56:41 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:02:28 <supermop> good morning 16:11:49 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-132-172.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88 [Firefox 11.0/20120215222917]] 16:12:24 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-118-179.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 16:17:37 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-64-166.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:17:39 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-148-200.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 16:17:42 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:21:12 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-118-179.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:27:32 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-127-95.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 16:28:35 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-132-172.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:30:06 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-148-200.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:30:21 *** lugo [lugo@209.141.56.5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:36:45 *** KritiK [~Maxim@128-68-173-20.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 16:56:22 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:07:40 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 17:17:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r23986 /trunk/src/spritecache.cpp: -Fix (r23889): Invalid reads when scaling an odd-sized sprite smaller. 17:19:11 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a54a:902e:36d6:97ac] has joined #openttd 17:19:14 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:19:47 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r23987 /trunk/src/ (fontcache.cpp fontcache.h gfxinit.cpp): -Fix (r23000): Also reset the font glyph cache when switching blitters. 17:22:30 *** Firartix [~artixds@38.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 17:22:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r23988 /trunk/src/blitter/32bpp_optimized.cpp: -Fix: Typo in comment. 17:32:50 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6A2C2.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:39:14 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r23989 /trunk/src/blitter/ (32bpp_optimized.cpp 8bpp_optimized.cpp): -Fix-ish: Zero the offsets of disabled zoomlevels. 17:39:27 *** _maddy [~plaiho@182.21.240.77.static.louhi.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:39:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CE57.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:46:58 <K0L3C> Too quiet. 17:48:28 <LordAro> Loud Noises! 17:49:46 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-97-227.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:49:49 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 17:51:29 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 17:52:29 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-008-248.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 17:52:31 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:53:37 <K0L3C> LOOOUD NOISES 17:54:01 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-154-246.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:54:04 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 17:55:01 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-97-227.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:55:32 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-127-95.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:57:01 <frosch123> psst - don't wake dorpsgek 17:59:22 <DorpsGek> too late 18:00:50 <K0L3C> Oh no. 18:00:57 <K0L3C> What did you do frosch123/! 18:01:47 <frosch123> http://www.xkcd.com/1013/ 18:06:33 *** Elukka [~Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 18:08:29 *** Zevras [~tyler@r75-110-81-97.gvllcmtc01.gnvlnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #openttd 18:10:18 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-13-236.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:14:54 *** Doorslammer [7da86216@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 18:15:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:16:06 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-154-246.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:17:41 *** unknown_ [~unknown@c-98-250-3-58.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:27:04 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.77.183] has joined #openttd 18:29:21 *** KingPixaIII [~pixa@79-74-231-131.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 18:31:01 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-13-236.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 18:31:43 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-74-234-108.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:32:30 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-13-236.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:32:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 18:34:46 *** lmergen [~lmergen@5352EA70.cm-6-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:34:50 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 18:35:11 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.77.183] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:45:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r23990 /trunk/src/lang/ (15 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 18:45:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: catalan - 5 changes by arnau 18:45:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: simplified_chinese - 9 changes by chenwt0315 18:45:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 3 changes by glx 18:45:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frisian - 1 changes by Flexo 18:45:52 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: korean - 6 changes by telk5093 18:46:26 *** flaa [~flaa@089-101-093077.ntlworld.ie] has joined #openttd 18:53:23 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-132-172.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:54:03 *** Zevras [~tyler@r75-110-81-97.gvllcmtc01.gnvlnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:58:14 <K0L3C> Too quiet. 18:59:39 <Terkhen> "blablabla" 18:59:49 <K0L3C> Not too quiet now. 19:02:34 <LordAro> thats the second time you've said that :L 19:02:53 <K0L3C> It's quiet now. 19:03:08 <frosch123> hmm. is "k.A." really the german translation of "N/A"? 19:03:16 <K0L3C> It's a bit loud here. 19:04:31 <frosch123> K0L3C: i am trying to play ottd in russian, so please stay quiet 19:04:58 <K0L3C> It's too loud now. 19:06:55 *** alluke [~d5f3b1d7@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 19:07:48 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-132-172.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:10:21 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: depends on context 19:11:00 <frosch123> for the cargo amount tab of trains 19:11:29 <frosch123> vehicles show "5 tons of coal", engines show "N/A" in english 19:11:59 <frosch123> german uses "k.A." which probably means "keine Angabe", but i first thought of "keine Ahnung" ... 19:12:21 <frosch123> ... which sounds hillarious :) 19:12:57 <K0L3C> I can't find them sounding hilarious. 19:13:00 <Eddi|zuHause> yes :) 19:13:18 * valhallasw kicks mercurial 19:13:21 <Eddi|zuHause> could possibly be replaced with "keine" 19:13:43 *** KByte [~11Runner@c-24-20-61-147.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:14:02 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i once had a program that could view the contents of the registry 19:14:08 <Eddi|zuHause> but i forgot what it was called 19:14:18 <valhallasw> regedit? 19:14:34 <valhallasw> or do you mean a /different/ registry? ;-) 19:14:48 <Eddi|zuHause> no, "offline", i.e. of a not-running windows 19:14:52 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K.A. 19:14:57 <frosch123> ^^ lists both 19:15:33 <valhallasw> Eddi|zuHause: ah. http://home.eunet.no/pnordahl/ntpasswd/ possibly? 19:16:54 <K0L3C> Eddi|zuHause = Eddi|inHouse? Right? 19:17:10 <Eddi|zuHause> K0L3C: more like "at home" 19:17:13 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 19:17:15 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:17:24 <K0L3C> Oh, this time I tried to translate it without using the translator. 19:17:25 <K0L3C> :P 19:17:58 <Eddi|zuHause> which btw. is the location of my computer, not necessarily my current location :) 19:18:31 <K0L3C> Same thing. 19:20:15 <michi_cc> Eddi|zuHause: regedit :) 19:20:37 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-52-220.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:20:58 <Eddi|zuHause> it was a program where i could enter the location of some system files, and it showed me the content of the registry 19:21:01 <michi_cc> It can both read the registry over LAN if sufficient permissions are present and can also directly read registry files from disk. 19:24:36 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-91-31.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:24:39 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 19:26:21 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-13-236.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:27:35 <Eddi|zuHause> michi_cc: so... how? 19:28:36 <michi_cc> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/regedit_load_hive.mspx?mfr=true 19:30:21 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-52-220.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:31:29 <michi_cc> Files are normally C:\Windows\System32\config\{SOFTWARE,SYSTEM} and NTUSER.DAT in each profile folder. 19:32:14 <michi_cc> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms940849 has everything on one page 19:32:20 *** KByte [~11Runner@c-24-20-61-147.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:32:40 *** KByte [~11Runner@c-24-20-61-147.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 19:42:47 <Eddi|zuHause> this is all not entirely what i meant 19:42:52 <Eddi|zuHause> but maybe it works 19:43:06 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 19:45:18 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@client-86-31-132-172.oxfd.adsl.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:45:19 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.252.118] has joined #openttd 19:47:36 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:48:35 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 19:49:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:52:03 *** Firartix [~artixds@38.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:55:44 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d142-179-78-88.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:00:09 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:03:19 *** Firartix [~artixds@38.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 20:05:16 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:06:15 *** tensai_cirno [~cirno@77.232.15.216] has joined #openttd 20:07:50 *** pckm-crazy [4570a30f@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:07:59 <pckm-crazy> hello 20:08:06 <Yexo> hi 20:08:19 <pckm-crazy> i came in hear to aska question 20:08:41 <Yexo> go ahead 20:09:07 <pckm-crazy> anyone know if chris sawyer is still making games D: or did he just turn his back on making games? 20:09:38 <Yexo> no clue 20:10:01 <pckm-crazy> i wanna atleast know what he dose now 20:10:36 <pckm-crazy> he is such a good game maker 20:10:56 <Zuu> have you checked his homepage? 20:11:11 <pckm-crazy> hasent been updated since 2009 D: 20:11:38 <__ln__> you need to contact his agent. 20:12:35 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Snail_] 20:12:59 <pckm-crazy> i couldint find anything like that. all i could fine was some links to people who helped him on the game and only one of the returned my email. he was the man who made all the 3-d models. his website is pixleswithpings.co.uk i think 20:13:38 <Zuu> On http://www.chrissawyergames.com/contacts.htm there is a link to his agent. 20:14:51 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-109-252.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 20:14:53 <pckm-crazy> just tried the link. it never loads D: 20:15:23 <FLHerne> It does for me 20:15:58 <pckm-crazy> wierd...... ill try again 20:17:14 <pckm-crazy> http://www.marjacq.com/ right? 20:17:42 <Zuu> yep 20:18:06 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-91-31.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:18:19 <pckm-crazy> not loading for some reason.... 20:18:39 <Zuu> Do you block js? 20:18:55 <pckm-crazy> whats j's? 20:19:06 <Zuu> JavaScript 20:19:26 <Zuu> I have no idea how it looks with js blocked as it looks like some css+js dynamic thing. 20:19:29 <pckm-crazy> i dont think so. ill check 20:19:47 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-25-34.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 20:19:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 20:21:42 <Yexo> it works fine without javascript 20:22:25 <pckm-crazy> yah, it just dosint load 20:22:29 <pckm-crazy> its wierd.... 20:22:38 <pckm-crazy> i wonder if its cause im on my mac 20:23:00 <Zuu> Try to use a proxy eg. fulifier: http://malfunction.org/fulifier/ :-) 20:23:28 *** Xrufuian [~link@pool-98-119-100-3.lsanca.btas.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 20:24:15 <pckm-crazy> still no D: 20:24:32 <Zuu> http://www.malfunction.org/fulifier/nph-fulify.cgi?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.marjacq.com%2F <--- this doesn't give anything? 20:25:06 <Zuu> It should give you something that looks like 1994 20:25:16 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-109-252.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:25:46 <Zuu> hmm, or perhaps more like 1997 when more kids got internet and made ugly websites. :-) 20:26:46 <pckm-crazy> that one starts loading but dosint finish 20:27:16 <__ln__> english only 20:27:56 <pckm-crazy> lol wat? 20:28:35 <Rubidium> maybe Chris Sawyer/Marjacq are doing bad things as described in ACTA and American providers are asked to block that? 20:29:49 <pckm-crazy> oh i rember going to that site a few monthes ago! XD now i rember, i just rember not being able to fine an email or anything 20:30:48 <Eddi|zuHause> mÀh i hate windows... 20:30:49 <andythenorth> Alberth: I thought a picture might help...http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/2525/render_stage.png 20:30:51 <Zuu> They both have phone number and email on their contact page. 20:31:16 <Zuu> You can even send them a fax 20:31:32 <Zuu> Or at least they have written their fax number in case you can get access to one. 20:33:31 <andythenorth> Alberth: the diagram is conceptual rather than specific to python code 20:34:02 <__ln__> in any case, as far as i know: this channel does not represent Chris Sawyer, and all we know about him is through public sources such as his website. 20:34:14 *** K0L3C [~K0L3C@77-254-174-136.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [] 20:34:52 *** KByte [~11Runner@c-24-20-61-147.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:36:31 <Alberth> andythenorth: looks nice, and mostly like I have in mind. the 'coloursets' seem new 20:36:51 <Alberth> but perhaps they were mostly implicit so far 20:36:58 <pckm-crazy> i tried setting up a forum a few years ago to try and contact him, and get a large group of people to come and join to try and show how many people wanted him, but it felt kinda..... stalkerish 20:37:04 <pckm-crazy> XD 20:39:21 <michi_cc> andythenorth: Would it make sense to have a configurable scan order/origin to allow better back/front ordering for different views? 20:41:05 <Alberth> pckm-crazy: why this obsession, he just sold the same game engine three times 20:41:46 <pckm-crazy> its a long sad (very sad actaully) story that you probubly dont wanna read XD 20:42:17 <pckm-crazy> its not just CS ither. its also the makers of the neverhood and maxis. the guys who made cim city 20:43:26 <andythenorth> Alberth: the colour sets were implicit - they're how you specify 1CC or 2CC, or coal or iron ore etc 20:43:40 <andythenorth> they're just another layer of indirection, vars 20:44:16 <Alberth> mostly stuff you organize around the code :p 20:44:29 <andythenorth> michi_cc: configurable scan order makes sense, so far I haven't found a need for it though 20:45:16 <pckm-crazy> but its just the feel. something about the smoothness of chris sawyers games makes it so much more fun 20:45:29 <Alberth> michi_cc: as I understood from andy, you make every view separately, not much re-use of the same sheet for different views 20:45:48 <andythenorth> no I just scan all 8 views at once 20:45:50 <andythenorth> it just works 20:46:08 <Alberth> you're just lucky :p 20:46:29 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 20:46:39 <michi_cc> It sill might make sense to start at the left e.g. for \ view and at the right for / so you have a kind of matching back-to-front order. 20:47:00 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r23991 /trunk/src/ (52 files in 3 dirs): -Fix [FS#5076]: Also display the cargo subtype for vehicles which have no capacity, but a subtype. 20:51:18 *** KByte [~11Runner@75-92-173-182.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has joined #openttd 20:56:17 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:57:39 <andythenorth> if I need to handle back/front ordering issues, it tends to require another render pass anyway (e.g. compositing multiple layers) 20:57:44 <andythenorth> compositing is fairly trivial 21:03:30 *** pckm-crazy [4570a30f@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:09:38 *** Graungaard [~Graungaar@0x5da4ab1a.cpe.ge-0-2-0-1101.abnqu2.customer.tele.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:18:49 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: so how long until you can use this as a floor plan? :) https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/changes/src/gfx/template_10.png 21:19:33 <Eddi|zuHause> https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/cets/repository/entry/src/gfx/template_10.png <-- better link 21:22:56 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:23:30 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: pretty much now probably, with a bit of work 21:23:37 <andythenorth> check out BANDIT and hack on it if you wish ;) 21:23:46 <andythenorth> btw, you might have another customer for CETS code soon 21:24:01 <andythenorth> one of our canadian friends has decided he likes the cut of your jib 21:24:02 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED04965.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:29:08 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED04965.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:37:50 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-03.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 21:39:01 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host217-43-109-177.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:51:51 *** flaa [~flaa@089-101-093077.ntlworld.ie] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:54:59 *** KByte [~11Runner@75-92-173-182.war.clearwire-wmx.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:04:18 *** macee [~macee@dsl51B65EBE.pool.t-online.hu] has left #openttd [] 22:08:16 *** K0L3C [~K0L3C@77-254-174-136.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #openttd 22:08:17 <K0L3C> Hello. 22:14:57 *** chester [~chester@128-72-23-54.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:16:16 <K0L3C> It's quiet. :< 22:16:19 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.252.118] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:16:24 <alluke> boo 22:16:35 * K0L3C gives alluke a delicious pancake 22:17:24 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-03.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:17:48 <K0L3C> Why you won't eat that pancake. 22:18:03 <K0L3C> It's delicious, with cyani- Uh, sugar. 22:18:32 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r23992 /trunk/src/fontcache.h: -Fix: compilation without freetype 22:22:04 <alluke> *eats the delicious pancake 22:22:28 <K0L3C> Ha, it was a poisoned pancake. 22:22:29 <alluke> too much sugar 22:22:31 <alluke> blurgh 22:22:31 <K0L3C> Now you will DIE 22:22:35 <alluke> fffffuuuuuuuuu 22:22:35 <alluke> why 22:22:39 <alluke> ;_________; 22:22:44 <K0L3C> I WAS PAID FOR IT. 22:22:48 <alluke> by who? 22:22:58 <K0L3C> By a guy that I cannot ping. 22:23:03 <alluke> do it 22:23:06 <K0L3C> No! 22:23:13 <alluke> ill die soon and i cant forward it to cops 22:23:14 <K0L3C> I GUARANTEED HIM DISCRETION 22:23:36 <alluke> still 22:23:56 <K0L3C> It starts with p 22:25:02 <alluke> lanetmaker? 22:25:09 <K0L3C> No. 22:25:14 <alluke> peter? 22:25:23 <K0L3C> No. 22:25:34 <valhallasw> palhallasw? 22:25:35 <alluke> peteris? 22:25:40 <K0L3C> DIE FOR GODS SAKE 22:25:42 <alluke> pierre? 22:25:45 <alluke> progman? 22:25:50 <alluke> pugi? 22:25:52 <K0L3C> No 22:25:53 <K0L3C> It's 22:25:54 <Yexo> first a p, than a backspace, than a k, than a round thingy followed by an el, than a backwards E can finally some half-circle with an opening to the right 22:25:55 <alluke> pulec? 22:25:59 <K0L3C> Wypierre Dole Vas 22:26:15 <pugi> ? 22:26:17 <K0L3C> WAIT... PUGI... I KNOW THAT GUY 22:26:19 <K0L3C> Pugi 22:26:23 <pugi> :O 22:26:27 <pugi> do i know you? :D 22:26:31 <K0L3C> Are you the same person that is on #dwarffortress? 22:26:34 <pugi> yes 22:26:39 <K0L3C> It's me, d0rfer 22:26:42 <pugi> there is only one pugi :D 22:26:44 <pugi> ah :D 22:26:49 <Yexo> perhaps you can take the discussion there? 22:26:53 * valhallasw wonders what the heck is happening with all the youngsters shouting in here 22:27:02 * andythenorth wtfs 22:27:11 * K0L3C barfs 22:27:29 * valhallasw moves back to his reclining chair and turns the volume of his soothing Bach to 11 22:27:31 <pugi> where are the youngsters? 22:27:45 <alluke> valhallasw retirement home is that ------> way :P 22:27:53 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-95-114.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 22:28:34 <Pulec> alluke? 22:28:51 <alluke> yes ma'am? 22:28:52 * K0L3C steals val's radio. 22:29:12 *** K0L3C is now known as d0rfer 22:31:14 <valhallasw> d0rfer: a radio? is that some kind of fancy modern equipment? I have a mighty fine phonograph, thank you 22:31:46 <d0rfer> Phonograph? 22:31:49 <d0rfer> What kind of evil is that?! 22:31:55 * d0rfer throws val's phonograph into the fire 22:33:28 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-76-25.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:46 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-69.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 22:36:03 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 22:44:48 <Eddi|zuHause> it's kind of like an ipod 22:44:50 <Eddi|zuHause> just bigger 22:44:58 <Eddi|zuHause> and can't store many songs 22:50:17 *** d0rfer [~K0L3C@77-254-174-136.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [] 22:53:57 *** lmergen [~lmergen@5352EA70.cm-6-3d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:05:44 *** enr1x [~kiike@62.57.4.46.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #openttd 23:09:39 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host217-43-109-177.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 23:12:12 *** LordAro [~lordaro@host217-43-109-177.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 23:15:52 *** eQualizer|dada [~lauri@dyn-xdsl-77-86-195-47.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 23:16:53 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 23:17:14 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 23:17:19 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-69-203.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:18:17 *** tensai_cirno [~cirno@77.232.15.216] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:18:24 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 23:21:24 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-25-34.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:21:35 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-102-209.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:21:38 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 23:22:05 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn-xdsl-77-86-195-47.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:24:46 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 23:25:25 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-69-203.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:28:16 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:28:54 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@76.Red-83-49-91.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 23:29:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A48A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:32:04 *** pjpe [ae5f3ed9@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:44:03 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:44:08 *** peteris [~peteris@78.84.97.170] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 23:45:17 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 23:53:23 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:55:44 <alluke> hmm-mm is as here? 23:58:49 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd