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I'd rather jsut add buses and stations and let them run 07:45:02 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-3-89.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 07:45:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 07:48:00 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-40-75.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:48:27 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:48:35 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 07:50:31 <planetmaker> There's no automatisation for re-configuring routes. 07:50:45 <planetmaker> you're the transport manager after all. You decide how and when and where to expand 07:50:53 <CQ> I was hoping one of the AIs would do something like that 07:50:54 <planetmaker> A "play me" button won't be added to the game 07:51:24 <planetmaker> AIs are competition. Not co-worker 07:51:28 <CQ> no, obviously, but I was thinking alongthe lines of something that when the game gets huge you move from route and vehicle mgmt to fleet management 07:51:52 <planetmaker> you know shared orders? 07:53:22 <CQ> ah, no, hadn't seent hat yet. 07:53:34 <planetmaker> there you got your fleet management 07:54:03 <planetmaker> use it as soon as two vehicles drive the same route :-) 07:54:22 <CQ> also, I tried to upgrade fromelectric to maglev, and it would be very nice if the trains in the depots could be auto-converted along with the depot... otherwise its a TON of work (unless I'm missing something else... :) 07:56:35 <Eddi|zuHause> <oskari89> Eddi|zuHause: Were you using some kind of railset with different type of rails here <- that is an older version of nutracks 07:56:48 <oskari89> Okay, thanks for information.. 07:57:22 <CQ> even with the TIps listed here https://secure.openttd.org/wiki/Convert_rail its still a lot of work to put 20 trains back together... 08:15:12 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 08:19:03 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:27:40 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-032-052.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 08:33:01 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:49:09 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED04965.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:50:35 *** smoovi [~smoovi@e178232013.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 09:00:46 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED04965.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:12:57 *** oskari892 [~oskari89@213-186-253-165.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:14:31 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:16:52 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@213-186-253-165.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:34:46 <Eddi|zuHause> so... what's wrong when i can't reach a website from home, but can reach it from university? 09:35:12 <SpComb> routing 09:35:36 <Eddi|zuHause> and all other websites (so far) work as well 09:36:34 <__ln__> i bet you didn't try *all* others 09:36:45 *** ffpp [~me@dslb-188-097-229-001.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:37:16 <ffpp> quick gameplay question: I a train has multiple engines, does that increase the change for a breakdown or does only the primary engine count ? 09:40:03 <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: i did try all others that i tried. 09:41:30 <ffpp> change=chance 09:42:08 <__ln__> it could also be because your isp is not paying $$$ to the isp of the website you are trying to reach. 09:42:28 <__ln__> i don't think that's common but has actually happened. 09:44:30 <Eddi|zuHause> ffpp: i believe only the primary engine counts 09:49:00 <ffpp> ok, because that might actually make a difference sometimes 09:49:28 <Eddi|zuHause> ffpp: there's an improved breakdown patch, but i never tested it 09:50:09 <ffpp> yes, it sounds quite interesting but I believe its not up with the current revisions IIRC 09:54:37 *** Juli [5088bb2d@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:55:12 *** Juli [5088bb2d@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [] 10:04:08 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-11-52.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 11.0/20120310011224]] 10:18:19 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 10:23:31 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@193.52.24.37] has joined #openttd 10:27:23 *** smoovi [~smoovi@e178232013.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:29:52 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:36:52 *** smoovi [~smoovi@e178233198.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 10:37:38 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:49:25 <ffpp> hm, does anybody else think it would be useful to have a 'wait until [50%,75%] load' order ? 10:50:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i once thought of a solution for that: there are already conditional orders, the only thing it needs is to evaluate the next order before leaving the station, and staying if it is the same 10:50:33 <lugo> there was a patch for that 10:51:46 <Eddi|zuHause> so the order list looks like "1: goto A, 2: if load < 50% jump to 1, 3: goto B" 10:52:28 <Eddi|zuHause> currently the vehicle would leave the station and come back 10:52:38 <Eddi|zuHause> and this should be suppressed 10:53:25 <lugo> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=53518 10:53:25 <ffpp> the question is, do you want to tie this condition to a specific value like 50% or have it be just 'non-empty cargo' 10:54:26 <ffpp> yes, looks like what Eddi described, and it is not even *that* old 10:57:08 <Eddi|zuHause> ffpp: there are already lots of conditional orders. no need to "tie" anything 10:58:53 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't need conditional orders at all, could also be like "1: goto A (no loading) wait for 10 days, 2: goto A (loading), 3: goto B (no loading) wait for 10 days, 4: goto B (loading) 10:59:14 <Eddi|zuHause> to avoid cargo getting old while you schedule buffer times 11:00:29 <ffpp> ah ok, I just tried it, I never used conditional orders before 11:09:21 *** goodger [~ben@94.30.43.248] has joined #openttd 11:16:12 <ffpp> hm, the patch didn't 11:16:17 <ffpp> ... -.- 11:17:43 <CornishPasty> SK? 11:18:43 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@193.52.24.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:18:47 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:21:18 <ffpp> I wanted to say that the patch didn't work put I accidently applied it to my dev-directory, not my playing-directory 11:21:43 <ffpp> but it didn't work on the current trunk anyways 11:46:02 *** smoovi [~smoovi@e178233198.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 11:50:00 <oskari892> Damn licencing... 11:50:02 <oskari892> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=58122&start=40 11:56:22 <Terkhen> :P 11:56:45 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:1d06:69f:c6c1:53ef] has joined #openttd 11:56:48 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 11:58:35 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-67-250-2-219.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 11:59:19 <oskari892> *facepalm* 12:00:03 <oskari892> I decide to release everything i've drawn to GPL. 12:01:44 <oskari892> Hmm, but this: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?uid=23205&f=26&t=20727&start=0 would be nice to have as ECS Nuclear vector... 12:02:17 <oskari892> Sprites, of course, a little corrected :P 12:02:33 *** telanus [~Barney_Er@196-210-232-54.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:03:47 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 12:03:59 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-78-45-92-151.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 12:04:49 <Eddi|zuHause> oskari892: evary time a "nuclear chain" has been discussed, it was discarded on the ground that you'd only transport like 1 container every year 12:05:02 *** telanus [~Barney_Er@196-210-232-54.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 12:05:44 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-83-222.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 12:06:59 <oskari892> On the other hand, it's very heavy stuff... :P 12:10:09 <oskari892> But i understand that reason.. 12:11:13 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6BBA4.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:16:42 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 12:27:12 *** welshdragon [~mark-oftc@welshdragon.zernebok.net] has quit [Killed (NickServ (Too many failed password attempts.))] 12:27:23 *** welshdragon [~mark-oftc@welshdragon.zernebok.net] has joined #openttd 12:35:33 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 12:41:09 <oskari892> ECS Machinery vector hasn't got Bauxite mine yet? 12:45:07 <planetmaker> possibly. I don't know about the release state, but Bauxite mines are very new 12:47:21 <oskari892> Hmm: http://www.tt-wiki.net/wiki/ECS_Machinery_Vector._Bauxite_mine 12:49:32 <planetmaker> so the question is whether you have ECS 1.2 :-) 12:49:42 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-5d8229a7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:50:14 <planetmaker> in any case those are very tasty sprites 12:52:08 <oskari892> Hmm, i don't have... 12:52:22 <oskari892> It's not available at his site: http://george.zernebok.net/newgrf/downloads.html 12:52:43 <oskari892> 1.1.2 is latest one of Construction vector.. 12:52:46 <planetmaker> first thing you always should try is possibly bananananas 12:52:51 <oskari892> There and Bananas too.. 12:52:52 <planetmaker> but dunno 12:53:19 <oskari892> Haven't seen one in a screenshot.. 12:53:57 <oskari892> (Or isn't it released yet?) :P 12:56:39 <oskari892> Oh, http://george.zernebok.net/temp/ECS1.2/ 12:56:45 <oskari892> There they are.. 12:56:58 <oskari892> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=30188&start=1720 12:57:51 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Snail_] 12:59:30 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:05:43 <Belugas> hello 13:13:32 <andythenorth> lo Belugas 13:14:31 <Belugas> sir andythenorth :) 13:16:07 <oskari892> Is there any chart from FIRS, like this ECS? http://www.tt-wiki.net/wiki/File:Cargovectors19.png 13:16:36 <oskari892> Would help to put proper cargos to wagons :P 13:16:58 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e09ee84.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:17:37 <andythenorth> various have been made 13:17:56 <andythenorth> I don't know if there's a good up-to-date one 13:19:43 <oskari892> With cargo ID:s included would be best :P 13:22:43 <Eddi|zuHause> if you're interested in the IDs, why do you need a chart? 13:27:28 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:29:01 <Eddi|zuHause> oh... kay... i just pressed ^B and everything stopped, openttd using 100% cpu... 13:31:10 <planetmaker> sounds like "you should never reach this state", Eddi|zuHause 13:32:05 <Eddi|zuHause> gdb says Blitter:DrawLine, called by GfxDrawLineUnscaled 13:37:11 *** smoovi [~smoovi@e178233198.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 13:38:28 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 13:47:24 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:47:30 *** cl8 [~cccc@host-92-3-224-159.as43234.net] has joined #openttd 13:49:03 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 13:52:16 <V453000> oskari892: http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2012/01/27/firs-industry-and-cargo-chart/ 13:53:13 <__ln__> what to do when you accidentally park your vehicle at the bottom of the sea: http://s.omakaupunki.hs.fi/news/images/uploads/1333104548-499f504-1.540x405.jpg 13:55:06 <Eddi|zuHause> is that broken into the ice? 13:56:25 <__ln__> yes, the vehicle had sunk through the ice earlier and was at the depth of 8 metres. 13:56:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:57:07 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds unhealthy 13:58:23 <__ln__> the driver escaped in time, but could be the engine needs some maintenance before startup. 14:00:28 <oskari892> V453000: Thx 14:00:52 <oskari892> IMHO FIRS Fertilizer plant should be more like this: http://vaunut.org/kuva/66842 14:03:50 <oskari892> Cargo names are missing from that... Other than that good.. 14:14:15 *** ffpp [~me@dslb-188-097-229-001.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ffpp] 14:25:56 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D58.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:29:23 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:33:22 <Pulec> what the terrain type line in config? 14:33:43 <Pulec> i cant find it in [game_creation] 14:36:08 <V453000> you mean this ? landscape = temperate 14:36:29 <V453000> ah the mountainous stuff 14:38:28 <V453000> ah, Pulec: it is in [difficulty] 14:38:44 <V453000> terrain_type = 3 for mountainous 14:38:58 <V453000> water quantity seems to be there as well 14:44:10 <Pulec> mountains! yes 14:44:14 <Pulec> thx 14:51:41 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:53:32 <andythenorth> 'make choo choo' 14:54:23 <Rhamphoryncus> __ln__: "could be"? :P 14:58:22 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-032-052.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:05:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19FEA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:06:22 <andythenorth> So for 1.3....? - remove 'disable elrails' 15:06:28 <andythenorth> - add 'roadtypes' 15:06:54 <andythenorth> - ship 15:11:48 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:12:20 *** ISA [d99fa4ed@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:12:30 *** ISA [d99fa4ed@ircip2.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 15:14:16 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-137-191-29.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:17:00 *** ISA [d99fa4ed@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:17:15 <ISA> boom 15:17:17 <ISA> hello 15:17:57 <LordAro> hey all 15:18:34 <ISA> as I were guided here, I still have a question :) 15:18:39 <ISA> about... 15:19:09 <oskari892> Is there some tracking table on 2cc trainset? 15:19:17 <oskari892> And are sprites gpl? 15:19:20 <ISA> industries and possible ways to code them, anyone familiar with industries code? 15:21:46 <ISA> seems not atm... so Ill be back later in the evening or tomorrow 15:22:03 *** ISA [d99fa4ed@ircip2.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 15:33:21 *** bolli [~bolli@46.17.160.222] has joined #openttd 15:33:33 <bolli> hello all 15:34:11 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:34:57 <bolli> is there an issue with git.openttd.org? 15:35:05 <bolli> i'm getting an error when trying to clone it 15:35:36 <LordAro> works in browser (mostly meaningless, i know) 15:35:57 <bolli> i get: fatal: http://git.openttd.org/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server? 15:37:42 <andythenorth> ISA should have stuck around :P 15:39:44 <bolli> any ideas? :/ 15:42:57 <oskari892> Hmm, 2cc set is GPL:ed, so Finnish trainset can freely copy and modify those sprites? 15:43:41 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 15:44:24 <Terkhen> as long as you comply with the license, yes 15:44:44 <Terkhen> bolli: no idea sorry, I don't know how to use git 15:44:53 <oskari892> Ok, Finnish Trainset is GPL.. 15:46:25 * andythenorth ponders 15:46:38 <andythenorth> when I use GPL sprites from another set I don't also ensure I get the sources 15:46:47 <andythenorth> GPL violation :P 15:47:38 <V453000> you mean like if you just copied them from the game but not from the psd/whatever other src file? 15:48:08 <andythenorth> yes 15:48:12 <andythenorth> or from decompiled grf 15:48:15 <oskari892> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/ 15:48:17 <oskari892> From here :P 15:48:19 <andythenorth> or spritesheet from another set 15:49:01 <Eddi|zuHause> we certainly need a way to display summary messages... 15:49:05 <V453000> can you only use the source files or? .o 15:49:17 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not funny working through 200 "vehicle is getting old" messages 15:49:44 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D58.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:49:45 <planetmaker> quite true 15:49:46 <oskari892> Only sprites. 15:50:53 <oskari892> Where you can find the sources for those (stupid question) 15:50:54 <planetmaker> andythenorth: GPL only requires your preferred form to modify. If it is the png in that case, just supplying that is sufficient 15:51:54 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:55:22 <bolli> i think that the git repository is properly buggered... 15:58:17 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 16:01:35 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:20 <bolli> now i'm getting fatal: Could not switch to 'git.openttd.org/trunk': No such file or directory 16:02:28 <bolli> anybody got any ideas about that one? 16:03:55 *** Snail_ [~jacopocol@CPE78cd8e5ccf20-CM78cd8e5ccf1d.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Snail_] 16:04:36 <jazzyjaffa> bolli: I've just done a fresh clone right now and it worked fine 16:04:36 *** telanus [~Barney_Er@196-210-232-54.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has left #openttd [] 16:05:17 <jazzyjaffa> bolli: I used git clone http://git.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.git/ 16:05:36 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: lots of other things i could think of :) 16:05:45 <Eddi|zuHause> (for 1.3) 16:07:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19FEA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:15 <bolli> hmm 16:07:17 <bolli> that worked 16:07:26 <bolli> i didn't have the http:// in there 16:10:04 <oskari892> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/2cctrainset/repository/show/sprites/gfx 16:10:21 <oskari892> Where there is Eurosprinter ES64? 16:10:41 <Eddi|zuHause> need some brilliant thought how to connect A to B: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Loisachkirchen%20Transport,%2025.%20Feb%202015.png 16:14:05 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:15:11 <Eddi|zuHause> oskari892: check the nfo/nml, grep for ES64, look which .png file is linked there? 16:19:08 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: small goals - for 1.3 :) 16:19:18 <andythenorth> we got a lot in 1.2 16:19:30 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, we did 16:20:05 <andythenorth> also your screenshot uses an absymal version of FIRS 16:20:16 <oskari892> Found, thx :) 16:20:19 <andythenorth> you have the hideous furniture factory graphics 16:20:22 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:20:27 <Eddi|zuHause> it also uses an abysmal version of YACD :p 16:20:40 <oskari892> Is Siemens Vectron planned to include? 16:20:42 <andythenorth> YACD for 1.4 :P 16:21:08 <andythenorth> if roadtypes is the only big feature in 1.3 I'd be happy ;) 16:21:09 <Eddi|zuHause> oskari892: how should we know? 16:21:22 <andythenorth> but....roadtypes might depend on extended map ;) 16:21:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i wish i had some way to have parallel tunnels end on different tiles (i.e. tunnels through slopes) 16:24:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v DorpsGek] by ChanServ 16:24:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v Belugas] by ChanServ 16:24:08 *** mode/#openttd [+o SmatZ] by ChanServ 16:24:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v planetmaker] by ChanServ 16:24:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v Yexo] by ChanServ 16:24:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v Terkhen] by ChanServ 16:25:17 *** bolli [~bolli@46.17.160.222] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:26:55 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: +1 16:27:08 <andythenorth> doesn't that require custom bridgeheads or something? 16:27:21 <andythenorth> it's primarily just a graphical issue though? 16:27:48 <andythenorth> the blocker is a suitable set of portal graphics? 16:27:57 <Eddi|zuHause> no. you must store the foundation in the map 16:28:17 <Eddi|zuHause> otherwise drawing them would require too much CPU power 16:28:19 <andythenorth> blearch 16:28:36 <andythenorth> I figured it wouldn't be simple :P 16:29:04 <andythenorth> it's annoying when building multi-track routes 16:29:05 *** jazzyjaffa [~jazzyjaff@213.123.113.33] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:30:19 <andythenorth> so for 1.3: tunnels can end on complex slopes? 16:31:27 <Eddi|zuHause> better totally freeform tunnels/bridges construction 16:31:31 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:33:10 <andythenorth> can't see any downsides ;) 16:33:22 <andythenorth> what about building over tunnel entrances though? 16:33:23 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-032-052.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 16:34:23 <FlyingFoX> hi, which distances are counted, when the price for cargo is calculated? Only the distance from the station where the cargo is first picked up to where it is delivered or does the distance get counted over all stations in between where the cargo is only transfered? 16:34:33 <FlyingFoX> I tried to find that on the wiki 16:34:48 <FlyingFoX> but couldn't figure it out 16:35:12 <Pulec> does distance from a loading station have a difference? 16:36:12 <andythenorth> isn't it manhattan distance between first and last stations? 16:36:16 <andythenorth> wiki does know 16:37:52 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:38:16 <Eddi|zuHause> FlyingFoX: only from the first to the last station 16:38:47 <Eddi|zuHause> FlyingFoX: more precisely, from the location of the station sign 16:39:39 <FlyingFoX> thx 16:41:10 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Loisachkirchen%20Transport,%201.%20Maer%202015.png <- that's as close as i can get. i have a decent flyover, but the curve is too narrow for my taste. but i can't terraform under this oil well anymore 16:52:33 <andythenorth> demolish the oil well 16:52:47 <oskari892> One thing that bothers me, that bridges can't be built over station tiles :P 16:52:48 <Eddi|zuHause> now for that station... 16:53:10 <andythenorth> oskari892: it's technically possible, but wouldn't work graphically 16:53:25 <Pulec> guys, mountains are bad :D 16:53:41 <oskari892> Overlays? 16:53:51 <andythenorth> overlays? 16:54:08 <oskari892> Yes, bridges just overlayed on top of station tiles.. 16:54:39 <andythenorth> consider SAC's station here: 16:54:40 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=59309 16:54:42 <oskari892> Of cource, just plain platforms under that, nothing too high :P 16:55:14 <andythenorth> so the issue is how to ensure 'just plain platforms' ;) 16:55:29 <andythenorth> there's no sane method discovered so far 16:56:00 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@193.52.24.37] has joined #openttd 16:56:17 <oskari892> Would it be left to user :) 16:57:17 <andythenorth> shrug 16:57:18 <andythenorth> maybe 16:58:30 <supermop> cant objects/sprites have a height? 16:59:24 <supermop> and then bridges then have a maximum height they can be built over? 17:01:11 <oskari892> And ships too :P 17:02:07 <oskari892> That would open possibility for lifting bridges :P 17:02:42 *** Chris_Booth[ph] [~chrisboot@host86-158-149-6.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:03:39 <andythenorth> supermop: ok, so now provide extra error messages to handle 'station too high' 17:03:48 <andythenorth> doable 17:03:53 <andythenorth> but possibly tmwftlb 17:04:32 <andythenorth> sprites do have a height (the bounding box).... assuming that's set correctly by the newgrf author :P 17:05:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i need multistop docks... 17:05:05 <andythenorth> me too 17:05:08 <andythenorth> let's code them 17:05:27 <andythenorth> oh if only it were all newgrf :P 17:05:38 <andythenorth> "let's code them" is a valid thing for me to say about newgrfs 17:05:45 <andythenorth> :( 17:23:35 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-72-43-171-87.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 17:24:38 *** Chris_Booth[ph] [~chrisboot@host86-158-149-6.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 17:30:18 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 17:30:44 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:37:26 * andythenorth chases BANDITs 17:37:38 <andythenorth> time for a redesign :P 17:38:32 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:38:35 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 17:40:22 <V453000> reconsidered to draw by hand andy? :D 17:42:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r24080 /trunk/src/lang/ (7 files): (log message trimmed) 17:42:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:42:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 2 changes by Jogio 17:42:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: irish - 38 changes by tem 17:42:37 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: italian - 1 changes by Snail_ 17:42:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: latvian - 44 changes by Parastais 17:42:38 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: polish - 4 changes by Kilian 17:47:22 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:47:53 *** Firartix [~artixds@12.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 17:55:39 *** ffpp [~me@dslb-188-097-229-001.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:56:12 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:56:35 <andythenorth> V453000: more like drawing a line through a lot of truck models 17:56:39 <andythenorth> smaller sets = better 17:57:24 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host205-58-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 17:57:32 <Wolf01> efening 17:59:10 <Wolf01> is there anybody from london in this channel? I need somebody to restart a VPS manually if it does shut down again (and with restart I mean: go there, slap the customer support and let them do the work) 17:59:43 <andythenorth> you can probably rent someone in London to do that... 17:59:46 <andythenorth> most things are available ;) 18:00:53 <Wolf01> already 5 shutdowns this month :E 18:01:06 <Wolf01> 4 of them without causes 18:01:38 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fee24.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:01:47 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... timetabling so that there won't be interruptions at the junction is crazy... 18:02:21 <Wolf01> do you use plain junctions? 18:02:47 <Eddi|zuHause> no, a flyover junction in this case. but they still "collide" at the join 18:03:21 <andythenorth> one line per train ;) 18:03:24 <andythenorth> much easier 18:03:45 <Wolf01> resolving it with timetables might be a hard challenge 18:03:51 <Eddi|zuHause> don't have the space :) 18:04:24 <Eddi|zuHause> actually, it should be quite easy. just have to get the trains to the right positions so they won't already start delayed, screwing up the whole plan... 18:04:35 <V453000> let trains pre-accelerate into the junction 18:04:41 <Wolf01> it will last for a month 18:04:51 <Eddi|zuHause> two lines, 10 trains in total, roundrip synchronized at 40 days 18:05:07 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-188-102-141-251.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:05:07 <Eddi|zuHause> makes a train every 4 days 18:07:08 * andythenorth moves all the logging trucks and dump trucks to HEQS :P 18:07:50 <Alberth> that's hard work :) 18:08:22 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: what do you transport bulk cargo with then, without loading HEQS? 18:08:56 <Wolf01> HEQS is really good, I love those immense dump trucks 18:09:35 <Eddi|zuHause> speaking of HEQS, i think the industrial tram wagons are too narrow in | direction 18:15:06 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 18:15:35 <Wolf01> all is too narrow in | direction 18:16:07 <Wolf01> as it's too wide in --- direction 18:17:19 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: you use the normal trucks for bulk cargo 18:17:27 <andythenorth> there's no gain to adding more types 18:17:35 <andythenorth> makes no difference in gameplay 18:17:49 * andythenorth bbl 18:17:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:19:38 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:29:07 *** Zeknurn` [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:30:44 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 18:32:26 *** Firartix [~artixds@12.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:39:09 *** welshdragon [~mark-oftc@welshdragon.zernebok.net] has quit [Killed (NickServ (Too many failed password attempts.))] 18:39:28 *** welshdragon [~mark-oftc@welshdragon.zernebok.net] has joined #openttd 18:41:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:43:02 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-188-102-141-251.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:44:30 *** Firartix [~artixds@12.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 18:47:32 <oskari892> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyaC6LZqswo&feature=youtu.be 18:50:38 <oskari892> Something on that film, reminds me of the Saint :) 18:52:50 <oskari892> Maybe it's the music :P 18:56:43 *** ffpp [~me@dslb-188-097-229-001.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ffpp] 19:16:46 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 19:19:21 *** brambles [brambles@79.133.200.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:21:14 *** brambles [brambles@79.133.200.49] has joined #openttd 19:23:29 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:27:09 * andythenorth cuts 46 trucks down to 22 19:32:05 <Alberth> drastic measures this evening :) 19:36:22 * andythenorth had a revelation 19:36:23 <andythenorth> :P 19:36:58 <Rubidium> if a route needs that many trucks you're better off with ships ;) 19:37:11 <andythenorth> ho 19:37:14 <andythenorth> infinite 19:38:26 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-137-191-29.range86-137.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:38:55 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74E82.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:42:28 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p54B74E82.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:42:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i hate when that happens 19:44:02 <Eddi|zuHause> some bug in either kaffeine or the video driver drags the whole x server with it 19:45:32 <andythenorth> truck types in game are dictated by drive-through and drive-in, not by real life types, or kinds of cargo :P 19:46:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i probably asked this before, but what's the linux equivalent of "keyb gr"? 19:47:09 <andythenorth> did I post my redesigned interface? http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/2730/make_choo_choo.png 19:47:36 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. and i didn't get it the last time either 19:48:04 <andythenorth> you lack a toddler 19:48:06 <andythenorth> :p 19:48:51 <andythenorth> here's what you need: http://www.gizmag.com/ipad-cat-apps/19656/ 19:48:53 <andythenorth> ;) 19:56:20 <frosch123> hmm, suddenly ctrl drag signal does no longer work... 19:59:28 <frosch123> ah, there is a hidden trackbit too much behind a foundation :p 20:02:08 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-78-45-92-151.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 20:02:35 *** ffpp [~me@dslb-188-107-127-085.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:03:07 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:08:35 <andythenorth> hmm 20:08:57 <andythenorth> the downside of my new approach is that pretty much all trucks carry all cargos 20:09:06 <andythenorth> there's no 'this truck carries only express cargos' or such 20:10:56 <Nat_aS> is it possible to make industries or houses that produce passengers when they receive them? 20:11:05 <Nat_aS> to model tourism destinations and offices 20:11:21 <Nat_aS> so passengers will commute too and from them. 20:11:41 <frosch123> andythenorth: you should at least have open and closed stuff 20:11:52 <frosch123> and tankers 20:12:09 *** joho [~joho@c-6f04e155.132-7-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Quit: zomg] 20:12:21 <andythenorth> that's just graphics 20:12:22 *** joho [~joho@takamachi.nanoha.se] has joined #openttd 20:13:24 <frosch123> by what else should they differ? 20:13:27 <frosch123> speed and power? 20:13:41 <andythenorth> yes, they vary by those 2 dimensions 20:13:43 <andythenorth> and capacity 20:13:49 <andythenorth> that's all really 20:13:59 <frosch123> speed is basically the same for everything, isn't it? 20:14:12 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-179-249.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:14:19 <andythenorth> per-generation yes 20:14:30 <andythenorth> although RL trucks are geared to the duty cycle they are expected to work 20:14:36 <andythenorth> so low or high ratios 20:19:37 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-158-149-6.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:23:37 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-188-102-141-251.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 20:23:58 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-158-149-6.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:25:32 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-158-149-6.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:26:48 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-108-89.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 20:29:17 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d99-199-11-52.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:31:36 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-105-161.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:40:46 <frosch123> night 20:40:50 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fee24.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:27 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 20:55:40 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 21:07:58 <andythenorth> what should default cargo type be for trucks? 21:09:15 <Chris_Booth> bricks 21:09:33 * andythenorth learns how an ignore file works 21:09:39 <__ln__> raspberries 21:09:56 <Chris_Booth> beer 21:11:33 <andythenorth> Goods then 21:12:07 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-188-102-141-251.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:12:18 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-188-102-141-251.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:13:26 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@193.52.24.37] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:51 *** sla_ro|master [~slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 21:16:23 <Terkhen> good night 21:16:30 <Chris_Booth> how many woods could a wood chuck, chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood? 21:16:47 <Rubidium> 42 21:16:54 <Chris_Booth> XD 21:18:20 <Rubidium> but Chuck is no more :( 21:20:53 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:44 *** ffpp [~me@dslb-188-107-127-085.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: ffpp] 21:28:09 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:31:42 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:31:47 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 21:34:47 *** GT [~GT@rt-scb-9f41.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 21:37:19 *** smoovi [~smoovi@e178233198.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:37:22 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-158-149-6.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.1 [Firefox 12.0/20120328051619]] 21:38:51 *** goodger [~ben@94.30.43.248] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:40:48 <GT> Question of the day: will 32bpp artists ever be able to cooperate with ottd devs and vv? 21:46:38 <oskari892> When they are out of their anger, yes. 21:47:12 <oskari892> They are still angry because of png loading dropped out :P 21:48:28 <GT> the devs or the artists? 21:49:01 <oskari892> Artists. 21:49:18 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:49:44 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 21:49:53 <oskari892> That caused all their work to be partly redone :P 21:50:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19FEA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:50:05 <oskari892> They have to be coded. 21:50:32 *** oskari892 [~oskari89@213-186-253-165.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:50:32 <GT> I know, I am the upper whiner, fka GeekToo 21:52:11 <GT> But I sense a growing level of frustration on both sides, and that really is a shame 21:52:48 <GT> cause ez 32bpp zoom in trunk really is a great feature, we all should cherish 21:53:19 <GT> Well, maybe not all, but certainly the group that liked the Ez-patch 21:57:46 <GT> I think the anger is gone (justified or not), at least for me. So we have to deal with the new situation, convert tars to grfs. 21:58:19 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:07:04 <GT> But that leads to new conflict immediately, about the format of the extra zoom ground sprites. 22:09:38 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 22:09:59 <GT> A real good example of people not really communicating, but each camp telling their own story, without responding to the other side. 22:12:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19FEA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:14:52 <GT> Devs seem to think: what is the problem, you are lazy, just convert to the new format of grf's, we'll even provide a script for you, so why don't ya start, bunch of whiners. And the artists are concerned about graphics quality, and think: I am not going to mutilate my sprites to these jagged edges. Discussion continues, devs are annoyed and call artists lazy, or propose to remove ez completely. What a waste of energy, the only problem is the lack of c 22:15:13 <V453000> idk, I dont quite understand why would there be some conflict :) I draw in 8bpp without any extra zoom or extra rotations, and I am just happy. On the other hand I think it will look amazing when a 32bpp ez and eventually extra rotations full set is complete 22:17:27 <V453000> or are there any actual _requirements_ on artists? I dont think there are, artists can just choose from more options now 22:17:33 <GT> Sure, it will look amazing, or not, depends on your personal taste. I really think that when devs and artists would start to cooperate, amazing things would be possible. 22:18:19 <V453000> well they kind of do? Devs provide possibilities, people use them. 32bpp is in every developed set now I heard 22:18:27 <V453000> dont know about ez 22:18:49 <V453000> I think that is a good cooperation already 22:20:50 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 22:21:36 <GT> No, I don't think so. There really are a lot of sprites available for EZ, but they will not be accepted for OGFX. That may have good reasons, but artists have worries about the graphics quality, and devs don't really respond to the worries, just keep repeating: this is the format we can offer, stick to it, ignoring the worries of the artists 22:22:21 <V453000> well, start a new base set? 22:22:39 <V453000> base set is just a big newGRF if you take it simply 22:22:56 <V453000> ofc OpenGFX is a bit more linked to OpenTTD, but still 22:23:01 <V453000> nobody prevents you from starting your own 22:24:06 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:25:56 <GT> Of course that would be possible. But in my opinion the best situation would be to cooperate on the best possible set for OTTD, not fight each other. Devs and artists should complement, not fight. 22:26:17 <Wolf01> 'night 22:26:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host205-58-dynamic.25-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:27:42 <V453000> that is like if I came to some train set author and told him I want my sprites in his set, even though the sprites are inappropriate for that set 22:27:50 <V453000> he will reject them as well of course 22:27:54 <V453000> if isnt just accept anything 22:28:04 <michi_cc> OpenGFX puts the principles of "do not glitch" and "compatibility with existing content" very high. This together with technical limitations that can't be changed by just modifying a few code lines leads to some restrictions. 22:28:13 <V453000> so well, if you feel like you have a different idea and want to do something else, make your own stuff 22:28:37 <michi_cc> Nothing stops someone interested from developing a base set with different top principles. 22:29:10 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-83-222.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:29:19 <V453000> restrictions, sure, but still, OpenGFX has some style in which it is drawn. I personally do not like it, so if I wanted to improve it, I would probably start a different project instead. Nothing about fighting, just adding another content 22:30:04 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 22:30:11 <V453000> just because bringing a different style in it would be disruptive 22:34:58 <GT> @michi_cc: and of course you are right about the glitches, and I completely agree: there should not be glitches in trunk graphics. But there are several ways to solve that problem, and every proposition seems to be completely ignored. I proposed to allow a limited overlap of sprites, to the extend of the jaggedness of the upscaled sprites. I think you would agree that would solve the problem too, without having to change the code? 22:39:35 <michi_cc> GT: OpenTTD redraws only what changed and not the whole screen (as that would be too slow), so you do not know which of the overlapping sprites will be on top and which at the bottom. 22:41:43 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 22:42:33 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-02.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 22:42:35 <GT> nonsense, the ground sprites are drawn in increasing order in x first, and then in y. Then the sprites with a foundation etc are drawn, and than the rest of the sprites, in an order determined b 22:42:43 <GT> y 22:42:53 <GT> the bounding box 22:43:50 <GT> Marking the section as dirty is at another level of the hierarchy 22:44:56 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:46:05 <GT> And the overlapping I proposed is limited to the jaggedness of the upscaled sprites, so it is present for every old newgrf without ez-zoom sprites already 22:58:31 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:59:12 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 23:02:11 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-032-052.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04:41 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:05:46 *** Firartix [~artixds@12.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:42 *** Markavian [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has joined #openttd 23:09:43 <GT> I quot myself: But there are several ways to solve that problem, and every proposition seems to be completely ignored 23:10:50 <GT> And it is getting kind of quiet all of a sudden 23:13:06 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@j616s.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:14:19 <GT> I don't know if the proposition does not introduce new problems, but it would not need code change, and experimenting would be possible without code changes 23:22:36 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 23:29:45 *** GT [~GT@rt-scb-9f41.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has left #openttd [] 23:32:00 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 23:48:40 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:50:32 *** xiong [~xiong@76-218-102-28.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:52:00 *** cl8 [~cccc@host-92-3-224-159.as43234.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:57:39 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-83-222.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd