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00:00:26 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-97.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 00:03:04 *** tegro [~undefined@78-105-226-68.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:11:45 *** tegro [~undefined@78-105-226-68.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 00:36:02 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-195-242.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:48:31 <Nat_aS> if your engine takes up half the lenght of the train, that means your stations are too short right? 00:51:11 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-97.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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Can't get any worse than 0 and replanting them will boost you back up :) 02:23:21 <Nat_aS> lol 02:23:23 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-99-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:23:23 <Nat_aS> i know 02:23:30 <Nat_aS> but I had not touched the trees in decades 02:23:40 <Nat_aS> also, I like how they care more about trees than filling in rivers 02:24:09 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-99-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 02:26:41 <Nat_aS> there needs to be a way to automaticly refresh advertising campaigns 02:37:43 <Rhamphoryncus> Build a statue instead 02:38:07 <Rhamphoryncus> Rivers are a new addition. I doubt they're even aware of them 02:45:53 <Nat_aS> no I mean like coastlines 02:46:05 <Nat_aS> not rive tiles, but waterways and such 02:46:16 <Rhamphoryncus> Ah, well.. yeah, it's silly ;) 02:46:44 <Nat_aS> that honestly should be the biggest town opinion infuencer. 02:47:14 <Nat_aS> IRL that's the only environmental infraction the government really cracks down on, at least in the US. 02:47:44 <Nat_aS> Cut down all the tress you want, chop the tops off of mountains, but if you so much as TOUCH a wetland, god help you. 02:50:26 <Rhamphoryncus> heh 02:54:47 *** collinp [~collin@h173.136.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 03:10:41 *** kkb110__ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-04.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 03:10:51 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:18:25 *** KByte [~11Runner@c-24-20-61-147.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:28:08 *** kkb110__ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-04.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:29:07 *** collinp [~collin@h173.136.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep.] 03:32:27 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-03.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 03:49:27 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.138.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:36:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 04:37:34 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-03.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:39:03 <andythenorth> hmm 04:39:15 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: should town industries like shops always locate next to road? 04:40:07 * andythenorth thinks yes 04:46:25 *** telanus [~Barney_Er@196.215.173.27] has joined #openttd 04:46:48 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 04:50:44 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67C38.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:50:59 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67DD1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:55:28 <Nat_aS> hey, can industries make road tiles in themselves? 04:56:22 <andythenorth> no 04:56:41 <andythenorth> what idea do you have? 04:57:36 <Nat_aS> nothing 04:57:55 <Nat_aS> I was jus thinking of having industries spawn with a 1 tile of road inside them as a parking lot 04:58:07 <Nat_aS> so you have a place ot put a loading dock 04:58:31 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.138.75] has joined #openttd 05:09:41 <andythenorth> NoGo :P 05:10:22 <Rhamphoryncus> You can leave an empty tile and setup the industry to graphically match the road station 05:10:51 <Rhamphoryncus> But.. what you really want is newgrf road stations so you can just pick the form that matches, just like for train stations 05:21:36 <Nat_aS> yes 05:21:43 <Nat_aS> and newgrf docks 05:21:53 <Nat_aS> including ones you can build train tracks and stations on top of 05:21:57 <Nat_aS> that would be awesome 05:22:02 <Nat_aS> and non platform station tiles 05:22:24 <Nat_aS> and the ability to controll which platform which trains stop at 05:24:06 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e09ee84.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:27:27 * Nat_aS catches his breath 05:28:59 <andythenorth> non-platform station tiles exist 05:34:43 <andythenorth> no open bugs in FIRS 05:35:58 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 05:39:36 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:39:43 *** mikegrb [~michael@mikegrb.netop.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 05:48:33 <Nat_aS> that are also tracks/ 05:48:57 <Nat_aS> I know non track tiles exist, I mean ones that look like platforms but trains can't stop at them 05:49:01 <Nat_aS> purely cosmetic 05:52:22 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:10:32 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-99-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 06:10:32 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-99-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:11:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 06:21:25 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:26:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:27:26 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.138.75] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:27:57 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:29:29 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 06:32:56 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:36:26 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 06:36:48 *** Lg|Baxxster [~baxxster@84.48.105.199] has joined #openttd 06:36:53 *** Baxxster [~baxxster@84.48.105.199] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:40:45 *** gm_stack [~gm@2001:44b8:137:f00::1] has joined #openttd 06:41:19 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 06:41:23 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 06:57:12 *** Volley [~worf@chello080109200187.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has joined #openttd 07:00:25 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-94-164.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 07:09:59 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-94-164.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:12:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:16:24 *** krinn [~krinn@80.54.71.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:16:48 *** th_gergo [~thiering@dhcp-104.k.wlan.bme.hu] has joined #openttd 07:20:02 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 07:29:21 *** th_gergo [~thiering@dhcp-104.k.wlan.bme.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:31:13 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:31:55 *** cizra [~cizra@2001:ad0:912::1] has joined #openttd 07:36:20 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:37:56 <cizra> Heya. I did some tests, compiling OpenTTD on a 6-core CPU with various numbers of cores enabled. Here are the results: https://minus.com/lbm9C5sE9K8STt 07:38:56 <cizra> The red line is what you'd expect from an _ideal_ schelduler (dividing the 1-thread compilation by number of cores). The blue line is measured. 07:40:30 <peter1138> so? 07:40:40 <Nat_aS> it stops 07:40:55 <Nat_aS> below 40 there is no difference. 07:41:01 <cizra> Umm.. nothing :-) It's just nice to see that OpenTTD compilation is well parallelizable with simple make -j6 07:41:07 <Nat_aS> the interesting question is what causes that 07:41:18 <cizra> Nat_aS: Below 40 I run out of CPU cores. 07:41:31 <Nat_aS> oh derp 07:41:34 <Nat_aS> I was reading it wrong 07:41:37 <cizra> :-) 07:41:41 <Nat_aS> so it's almost exactly as predicted. 07:41:50 <Nat_aS> with minor deviation. 07:41:53 <peter1138> beyond 6 you're running out of IO/memory 07:42:13 <cizra> peter1138: Some time goes into scheduling. 07:42:27 <cizra> Context switches and whatnot all take some time. 07:52:00 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-121-60.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 07:54:09 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-188-102-143-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:04:25 <NGC3982> morning. 08:12:54 <Volley> cizra, ...: it's great that building OpenTTD scales so well with multiple cores, but i fear the average would not honor that aspect very much, and ask for how it scales to execute on multiple cores :) 08:13:08 <Eddi|zuHause> actually, if I/O were the issue, you would see some slight improvement beyond 6 08:13:23 <NGC3982> ah, the multiple core problem. 08:13:27 <Eddi|zuHause> while the difference would be higher before 6 08:13:29 * NGC3982 scrolls and read. 08:14:09 <Eddi|zuHause> if you run "naive" tests, most things would be cached after the first test 08:14:16 <Eddi|zuHause> so I/O effect is reduced 08:14:24 <peter1138> yeah probably 08:15:05 *** th_gergo [~thiering@dhcp-104.k.wlan.bme.hu] has joined #openttd 08:16:14 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-184-218.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 08:17:13 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.141.106] has joined #openttd 08:17:48 <Eddi|zuHause> first run: real 1m3.959s user 3m27.184s sys 0m15.616s 08:17:49 <Eddi|zuHause> second run: real 0m46.861s user 3m26.415s sys 0m14.391s 08:18:32 <Eddi|zuHause> not quite sure what this means, though :) 08:19:50 *** goodger [~ben@94-30-43-248.xdsl.murphx.net] has joined #openttd 08:27:26 <NGC3982> speaking of cores 08:27:35 <NGC3982> i often play single player on my own multiplayer game 08:27:37 <NGC3982> so to speak 08:27:59 <NGC3982> i set up the server at home and then connect with two clients (on each monitor to my computer) 08:28:26 <NGC3982> and i noticed the monstrous difference when limiting each client to each core 08:32:42 <Eddi|zuHause> that is your OSes problem 08:33:14 <NGC3982> it's not a problem, it works brilliantly. 08:33:25 <NGC3982> the only problem i had was not figuring it out before 08:33:30 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-188-102-143-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:33:43 <CornishPasty> Well it's your OS's problem for not being able to handle it itself 08:34:01 <NGC3982> ah, yes, true. 08:35:18 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-188-102-143-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 08:36:04 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-188-102-143-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:47:50 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:55:14 *** vichu97 [75cab0e3@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:55:22 <vichu97> guys 08:55:29 <vichu97> anyone help me? 08:55:46 <vichu97> i got a small prob 08:57:44 *** mal2 [~mal2@port-92-206-7-40.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:57:56 <vichu97> mal2 08:57:58 <vichu97> help me 08:58:14 <vichu97> anyone to help me? 09:01:15 <mal2> what is your problem? 09:01:39 <vichu97> atlast 09:01:42 <vichu97> someone to help me 09:01:52 <vichu97> i am new to this game 09:02:13 <vichu97> i bought turner turbo diesel for my trains 09:02:32 <vichu97> i am not able to join 2 of them together 09:02:44 <vichu97> i see only 1 which is at the starting 09:03:03 <vichu97> but the smoke is comin from the end too which is a carriage not an engine 09:03:13 <vichu97> smoke is comin from both ends 09:03:18 <vichu97> 1 end engine 09:03:21 <vichu97> other end carriage 09:03:24 <Eddi|zuHause> screenshot? savegame? 09:03:32 <Eddi|zuHause> game version? newgrfs? 09:03:39 <vichu97> let me get u guys a screeshot 09:03:48 <vichu97> ttdpatchw 09:03:55 <vichu97> for windows 7 09:04:14 <Eddi|zuHause> this is the openttd channel, not the ttdpatch channel 09:04:33 <vichu97> no its just a bug 09:04:44 <vichu97> see if u can clarify it 09:04:45 <Eddi|zuHause> we cannot solve bugs in ttdpatch 09:04:59 <vichu97> just see the screenshot and tell me 09:06:34 <vichu97> uploading the screenshot 09:07:20 <vichu97> and the turner turbo max is just 83 whereas its original max given in the details is 100mph and its horsepower is also lesser dan mentioned 09:07:32 <vichu97> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/440/ttdbug.png/ 09:07:35 <vichu97> here 09:07:41 <vichu97> see the image and tell me plz 09:07:49 <vichu97> tell me if i have done a mistake 09:08:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i hate image hosters... 09:09:09 <vichu97> did u see the pic? 09:09:33 <Eddi|zuHause> can you give me the direct link? not the wrapper? 09:09:51 <vichu97> http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/637/ttdbug.png 09:09:57 <vichu97> there u go 09:11:24 <Eddi|zuHause> yes. not really much we can do about this 09:11:25 <vichu97> did u ee it eddi|zuhause? 09:11:46 <vichu97> mhm.. 09:13:29 <cizra> NGC3982: Which OS? 09:13:38 <vichu97> windows 7 09:13:45 <vichu97> yea someone helped me out in tycoon 09:13:46 <vichu97> ty 09:13:51 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, you should consider switching to openttd. 09:14:07 <Eddi|zuHause> download it at the openttd website 09:14:13 <cizra> Volley: Mmmhmm. That's a tricky one. Has anybody done any profiling on OpenTTD to figure out what actually consumes CPU time? 09:14:52 <NGC3982> cizra: what vichu97 said. 09:14:53 <NGC3982> :-) 09:15:24 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-99-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:15:36 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-99-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 09:17:05 *** mal2 [~mal2@port-92-206-7-40.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:51:38 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 09:54:59 *** brambles [brambles@79.133.200.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:57:20 <cizra> NGC3982: Why do you play multi-player with yourself? I can see only one benefit, to use the other player to change terrain. 10:02:36 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:04:36 *** brambles [brambles@79.133.200.49] has joined #openttd 10:06:14 *** th_gergo [~thiering@dhcp-104.k.wlan.bme.hu] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:14:17 *** vichu97 [75cab0e3@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 10:14:42 <NGC3982> cizra: to use multiple screens. 10:15:26 <NGC3982> and, i kind of like having it running all the time (although paused when im not playing) 10:18:18 *** Firartix [~artixds@147.215.81.100] has joined #openttd 10:21:22 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 10:29:25 <cizra> NGC3982: Mmmhmm. But you can't use the other screen for building or viewing the subwindows or anything. Just admiring the scenery? 10:34:44 *** Firartix [~artixds@147.215.81.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:50:22 *** mal2 [~mal2@z529a.pia.fu-berlin.de] has joined #openttd 10:54:55 *** collinp [~collin@h173.136.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has joined #openttd 10:54:59 *** collinp [~collin@h173.136.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net] has quit [] 10:55:25 *** Firartix [~artixds@www.clubnix.fr] has joined #openttd 11:12:22 <Eddi|zuHause> cizra: you can log into the same company twice 11:18:33 *** th_gergo [~thiering@1F2E8CA3.catv.pool.telekom.hu] has joined #openttd 11:29:01 <Volley> cizra: you mean my performance problem? yes ... i did yesterday ... ( people in #ati asked me to do so ), and i got ... *digging up logs* 67.13% libfb.so 11:29:30 <Volley> ( perf top ) 11:31:04 <Volley> however, a friend has a nvidia card and seems to suffer the same problem ... and it seems to have surfaced when upgrading to version 1.2 11:33:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Volley: what is your sprite cache size? 11:34:26 <Volley> Eddi|zuHause: default (?) - 64MB i think ... 11:34:50 <Eddi|zuHause> try making that larger, like 500 or so 11:34:52 <Volley> the config has a line "max_sprite_cache_size = 64" 11:35:35 <Volley> hmm ... would that work? i think i stumbled over a wiki description somewhere mentioning that 64 is the maximum 11:36:00 <Eddi|zuHause> wikis are notoriously outdated 11:36:48 <Volley> ( also: if it would be a sprite cache issue, would there still be a huge ( ~10x ) performance difference when switching to a different graphic driver? ) 11:38:00 <Eddi|zuHause> who says you have only one performance issue? :) 11:38:08 <NGC3982> cizra: as Eddi|zuHause said. :) 11:38:22 <Volley> hehe - true 11:48:57 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-188-102-143-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:02:47 *** Skau1 [Skau1@153.109.9.46.customer.cdi.no] has quit [] 12:02:50 *** Skau1 [Skau1@153.109.9.46.customer.cdi.no] has joined #openttd 12:14:32 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:a174:f156:6412:5fa6] has joined #openttd 12:14:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:17:04 *** fonsinchen_ [~fonsinche@dslb-178-000-001-046.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:22:19 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-99-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:22:58 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-188-102-143-120.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:26:07 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-99-1.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 12:27:13 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1177643171.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 12:27:15 <drac_boy> hi 12:29:35 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.141.106] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:32:31 <telanus> Here is an idea for a grf designer: http://goput.it/2dj.jpg 12:34:22 <drac_boy> telanus forget it, it can't even carry at least 1 tonne of freight :p 12:34:32 <telanus> :-D 12:37:13 *** fonsinchen__ [~fonsinche@dslb-178-000-001-046.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 12:38:54 *** fonsinchen_ [~fonsinche@dslb-178-000-001-046.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:43:55 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 25e6-7486258 12:43:55 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1) 12:44:09 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 25*10**6-7486258 12:44:09 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 17513742 12:44:23 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc (25*10**6-7486258)/9 12:44:23 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 1945971.33333 12:45:05 <drac_boy> telanus try find something that can actually haul more than 10 tonnes and maybe we'll see :p 12:45:14 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc (25*10**6-7486258)/9-314561-562054-562054-393680 12:45:14 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 113622.333333 12:45:17 *** Miguelzinho [~Miguelzin@201.77.177.82] has joined #openttd 13:00:05 <Skau1> i just thought of another way to slow down trains 13:00:24 <Skau1> just use bridges at the same level and you can predefine your speed :P 13:02:06 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-97.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 13:11:51 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@213-186-253-165.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:12:06 *** Doorslammer [7da861ac@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 13:20:25 <Eddi|zuHause> can someone confirm that this has no functional changes? www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/rating_speed_cleanup.diff ? 13:21:11 <Eddi|zuHause> this shouldprobably be turned into a method of xxxVehicle 13:21:28 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1177643171.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 13:27:45 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:40:28 <Eddi|zuHause> improved-ish: http://www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/rating_speed_cleanup2.diff 13:46:07 *** cizra [~cizra@2001:ad0:912::1] has left #openttd [] 14:07:17 *** mal2 [~mal2@z529a.pia.fu-berlin.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:32:55 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:43:55 <andythenorth> hello 14:49:59 *** Firartix [~artixds@www.clubnix.fr] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:58:31 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 14:59:56 *** Miguelzinho [~Miguelzin@201.77.177.82] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:09:00 <Rhamphoryncus> Eddi|zuHause: if GetDisplayMaxSpeed is right then the name of it is completely nonsensical 15:10:39 *** oberhuemer [47f1fb2d@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:10:55 *** oberhuemer [47f1fb2d@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [] 15:11:39 * Rubidium wonders why Rhamphoryncus thinks the name is nonsensical 15:11:43 *** vichu [75cab0e3@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:12:06 <Rhamphoryncus> It sounds like it's converting for display, ie km/h or mph (or m/s), but it's not 15:12:47 <Rubidium> it's converting it into a value useful for displaying 15:13:15 <Eddi|zuHause> as per the documenting comment, it converts to km/h-ish 15:13:24 <vichu> where to extract ai 15:13:45 <vichu> ?? 15:13:47 <Eddi|zuHause> vichu: use the online content menu to download AIs, then you don't have to extract anything 15:14:07 <vichu> i downloaded from online only 15:14:14 <vichu> but it gave me a zipfile 15:14:21 <vichu> so where to extract it? 15:14:35 <vichu> http://bananas.openttd.org/en/ai/ 15:14:42 <vichu> i got it from here ^^^ 15:15:06 <Eddi|zuHause> vichu: you should not download the files directly, you might be missing dependencies and everything 15:15:22 <Eddi|zuHause> vichu: start the game, and click "online content" 15:15:34 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.141.106] has joined #openttd 15:16:56 <vichu> thx a lot bro 15:17:02 <vichu> i got it now 15:17:19 <vichu> so now i downloaded a ai 15:17:36 <vichu> so can i use my already saved one and will the ai's come there also? 15:17:49 * NGC3982 never seen BaNaNas before. 15:18:03 <vichu> *nice 15:18:24 <vichu> eddi|zuhause 15:18:37 *** vichu [75cab0e3@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:19:06 *** vichu [75cab0e3@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:22:28 <Eddi|zuHause> vichu: if the game already has some AI companies, then those cannot be replaced, if you don't have them, it will pick a random AI to start a new company after a while 15:22:44 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e09ee84.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:23:44 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has joined #openttd 15:38:04 <Skau1> @calc ( ( (9576/10) * 384 ) / 20 ) * 846 15:38:04 <DorpsGek> Skau1: 15554488.32 15:52:03 *** Konar6 [konar6@sickedwick.net] has quit [Quit: Let the foaming process end] 15:54:47 <andythenorth> hmm 15:56:07 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-54-129.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 15:56:10 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 15:58:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A197C3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:01:01 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-61-204.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:05:02 <andythenorth> FIRS has a problem with broken industry chains on smaller and/or steeper maps 16:05:06 *** Doorslammer [7da861ac@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 16:05:09 <andythenorth> large industries can't locate 16:05:30 <andythenorth> I thought adding some split layouts for larger industries (i.e. gaps) would help 16:05:39 <andythenorth> it mostly doesn't :P 16:06:47 *** vichu [75cab0e3@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 16:07:53 *** Doorslammer [7da861ac@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:07:53 <Eddi|zuHause> it won't. either you have flat layouts, so the game can terraform a platform (with some limitations), or you have layouts that can be put on arbitrary landscape 16:08:56 <Eddi|zuHause> as soon as you use the callback for landscape, the game will not terraform 16:10:08 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-86-49-67-97.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:10:31 <andythenorth> hmm 16:10:49 <andythenorth> I should read industry_cmd for terraforming 16:10:52 <andythenorth> I've looked before 16:10:54 <andythenorth> :P 16:11:23 <andythenorth> so to fit arbitrary landscape I need either 16:11:27 <andythenorth> (1) smaller layouts 16:11:31 <Eddi|zuHause> it's either "make flat land" or "no change" 16:11:36 <andythenorth> (2) layouts that match slope 16:12:21 <Eddi|zuHause> were "make flat land" includes a configurable border around the industry (0-4 tiles) 16:12:45 <andythenorth> lots of FIRS industries use just one tile, which has land shape flags set for no slope 16:12:55 <andythenorth> which demands 100% flat tiles 16:13:25 <andythenorth> not doing that cause issues with garbled graphics 16:13:41 <Eddi|zuHause> i was annoyed recently because the oil pump didn't allow steep slope 16:13:47 <andythenorth> it doesn't? 16:13:50 <andythenorth> I thought I allowed that 16:13:57 <Eddi|zuHause> not in the ancient version i used 16:14:00 <andythenorth> ah 16:14:26 <andythenorth> does in tip 16:14:30 <Eddi|zuHause> no idea if that was fixed 16:14:48 <andythenorth> iirc I made as many industries as possible steep-slope friendly 16:15:52 <Eddi|zuHause> just provide a "smaller layouts" economy for the others 16:16:17 <andythenorth> it's probably worth me figuring out some minimal sized layouts anyway 16:16:50 * andythenorth wonders if terrain steepness setting is available to newgrf 16:17:28 <andythenorth> seems not 16:17:36 <Eddi|zuHause> unlikely 16:17:39 <andythenorth> probably wise, decouples newgrf from terrain generator 16:18:39 <andythenorth> could force the first layout built to always be the smallest 16:18:52 <andythenorth> increasing the number of potential sites for other types 16:18:59 <andythenorth> NoGo :P 16:19:10 <Eddi|zuHause> no, just make it a parameter 16:19:23 <andythenorth> possible 16:19:41 <andythenorth> shouldn't have to be a user choice though, it's not a very interesting thing to choose :P 16:20:10 <andythenorth> mostly only affects the quarry / clay pit 16:20:16 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 16:20:18 * andythenorth needs talking into drawing a sloped version for those 16:20:20 <Rhamphoryncus> fun fact: if you alt-tab in linux (gnome/ubuntu/whatever), but release the alt key before the tab key, openttd will activate fast forward 16:21:22 <andythenorth> hmm 16:21:32 <andythenorth> if I split industries to multiple tiles I break savegames 16:28:58 *** tegro [~undefined@78-105-226-68.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:34:50 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f66d7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:34:51 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:40:35 <andythenorth> quak 16:41:20 <frosch123> moin 16:42:48 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: how do you think savegames get broken? 16:45:07 *** TWerkhoven2 [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:45:11 *** tegro [~undefined@78-105-226-68.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:45:20 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:45:57 *** lugo [GBerten293@oxygen.evosurge.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:51:48 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: garbled graphics 16:51:59 <andythenorth> I can work around it by leaving crufty code in place 16:52:13 <andythenorth> I try to avoid legacy support :P 16:52:42 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i have no idea what you are doing 16:53:15 <andythenorth> for example, industry foo uses tile 1 16:53:32 <andythenorth> I make it use instead tiles 1, 2, 3 16:53:50 <andythenorth> which have different land shape flags 16:54:39 <andythenorth> this makes it possible to build on slopes whilst ensuring some tiles remain on the same height wrt each other 16:55:10 <andythenorth> but savegames using existing graphics will 'break' unless I leave legacy graphics code in place 16:55:13 <andythenorth> meh 16:55:52 <Lg|Baxxster> Hahaha 16:56:05 <Lg|Baxxster> trains can't crash themselves 16:56:15 *** Lg|Baxxster is now known as Baxxster 16:56:29 <Baxxster> Skau1 had one going in a looping circle, it just worked perfectly 16:56:48 <Eddi|zuHause> Baxxster: yes. this is on purpose 16:57:06 <Baxxster> how come? 16:58:53 <Eddi|zuHause> Baxxster: you can prevent crashes with other trains by using signals, but you cannot prevent crashes with your own train 16:59:15 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:59:18 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:59:42 <andythenorth> lo Alberth 16:59:58 <Alberth> hi andy 17:02:15 <andythenorth> so why is CheckIfCanLevelIndustryPlatform prevented when custom shape check is in use? 17:02:25 * andythenorth assumes good reason, but it's somewhat tiresome 17:02:52 <andythenorth> custom shape check is also the only way to prevent terraforming under an industry after it is built 17:03:01 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: custom shape check would be useless if the area is flattened in the process 17:03:16 <andythenorth> that assumes only one purpose for custom shape check ;) 17:03:22 * andythenorth checks his facts 17:03:32 <Terkhen> hello 17:03:39 <Alberth> hi Terkhen 17:03:56 <andythenorth> hmm 17:04:07 <andythenorth> maybe I'm confusing autoslope with custom shape check 17:05:09 <andythenorth> ah 17:05:13 * Alberth is somewhat annoyed about the lack of a WT for NewGRF projects 17:05:19 <andythenorth> Alberth: write one? 17:05:23 <andythenorth> learn pyramid? 17:05:30 <andythenorth> then we can rewrite bananas in it 17:05:44 <andythenorth> so FIRS quarry uses custom shape check for: 17:05:48 <Alberth> I'd rather first write a back-end 17:05:55 <andythenorth> - preventing building in desert (lots of sand there) 17:06:05 <andythenorth> - preventing building on slopes (wtf?) 17:06:19 <andythenorth> - preventing building directly adjacent to another industry 17:06:34 <andythenorth> meh 17:07:04 <Alberth> 'shape' check for not adjacent building? :) 17:07:14 <andythenorth> it's the correct method :) 17:07:29 <Alberth> I believe you :) 17:07:35 <andythenorth> shape check is a catch all method for querying nearby tile data ;) 17:08:00 <Alberth> I was suspecting that, it sounds NewGRF-ish enough to be true :) 17:09:07 <andythenorth> maybe it's time for terraforming hints 17:09:15 <andythenorth> but only if they're compatible with custom shape check :P 17:09:18 <andythenorth> which might be hard 17:09:36 *** Doorslammer [7da861ac@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:11:31 *** Baxxster [~baxxster@84.48.105.199] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:15:59 *** einKarl [~einKarl@188-193-234-163-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 17:17:31 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:20:19 *** einKarl [~einKarl@188-193-234-163-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [] 17:26:27 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:30:34 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:35:15 *** mororokvirc [kvirc@ip-89-176-220-8.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:36:39 <mororokvirc> hi, aim lama, debian erroro, no packet, link http://pastebin.com/hyVqRVeA. THX for help 17:38:18 <mororokvirc> must change source list. bud why ? 17:39:14 <mororokvirc> *but 17:39:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r24181 /trunk/src/lang/german.txt: 17:39:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:39:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 2 changes by Jogio 17:39:56 *** GBerten2936 [GBerten293@oxygen.evosurge.com] has joined #openttd 17:40:29 <Eddi|zuHause> mororokvirc: please set "LC_ALL=C" and produce that output again 17:43:27 <mororokvirc> Eddi|zuHause: why ? 17:44:10 <Eddi|zuHause> mororokvirc: because my czech is a little rusty... 17:46:03 *** tegro [~undefined@78-105-226-68.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:46:19 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f66d7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:47:09 <mororokvirc> Eddi|zuHause: I understand that there are no packages just have to change the source package, but I do not know for what and I do not know where 17:47:21 *** CaveJohnson [~rails@ppp203-122-218-193.static.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:48:42 <Eddi|zuHause> mororokvirc: maybe you should ask that in a debian channel 17:48:51 <Alberth> we cannot read what it says, so giving help is nearly impossible 17:49:01 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-94-164.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 17:49:13 <Alberth> why do dev tools do localization :( 17:49:13 *** CaveJohnson [~rails@ppp203-122-218-193.static.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 17:49:37 *** tegro [~undefined@78-105-226-68.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:50:11 <mororokvirc> Eddi|zuHause: Thank you for your help maybe I just found something I'm not sure of the source package, but thanks. 17:51:16 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@haqua.4chan.fm] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:51:16 *** ccfreak2k_ [~ccfreak2k@haqua.4chan.fm] has joined #openttd 17:51:32 *** ccfreak2k_ is now known as ccfreak2k 17:52:04 *** GBerten2936 [GBerten293@oxygen.evosurge.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:53:26 *** mororokvirc [kvirc@ip-89-176-220-8.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:54:41 <NGC3982> someone said rusty. 17:55:01 <Alberth> no, it was not someone 17:56:19 <andythenorth> why is there no AU language? 17:56:21 *** Baxxster [baxxster@84.48.105.199] has joined #openttd 17:56:43 <andythenorth> means FIRS can't be translated to australian 17:56:51 <andythenorth> are languages just some header file info or such? 17:57:08 * andythenorth remembers something about phone codes :P 17:57:19 <Alberth> en_au :) 17:57:33 <Eddi|zuHause> "AU" is the "golden language"? :) 17:57:35 <Alberth> perhaps also make a en_gb :) 17:58:17 <andythenorth> I've found the ottd lang files, but where's the table defining their use? 17:58:23 <andythenorth> can't see it in src/tables 17:58:31 <andythenorth> nor in lang.h 17:58:45 <Alberth> generated from src/lang/english.txt 17:58:52 <SpComb> en_DK 17:59:13 <Alberth> somewhere in objs/debug/ltable/strings.h or os 18:00:23 <Alberth> objs/lang/table/strings.h actually 18:01:36 <andythenorth> what's the easiest way to get australian added? 18:01:37 <andythenorth> WT? 18:03:47 <Alberth> good question 18:04:26 *** GBerten2936 [GBerten293@oxygen.evosurge.com] has joined #openttd 18:05:04 <Alberth> firs parameter? 18:05:35 <andythenorth> meh 18:05:36 <andythenorth> no 18:05:40 <andythenorth> lang is lang 18:05:46 <andythenorth> one and only one way :P 18:05:51 <andythenorth> :) 18:07:19 *** mal2 [~mal2@port-92-206-7-40.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:07:43 * andythenorth can't find what english_us.lng should be called 18:07:51 <andythenorth> nml source doesn't seem to map names to codes 18:08:40 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.141.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:09:17 <andythenorth> oh it's arbitrary 18:09:19 * andythenorth understands 18:10:03 *** flaa [~flaa@089-101-093077.ntlworld.ie] has joined #openttd 18:10:39 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.141.106] has joined #openttd 18:11:46 <andythenorth> splitting gb / us lang files is a bad idea? 18:12:03 <andythenorth> means the readme / changelog / manual / release announcements are wrong 18:15:09 <Alberth> for FIRS, I think it is a good idea, as it ends the discussion about the kind of English used. 18:15:19 <andythenorth> I conclude same 18:20:38 <Eddi|zuHause> it doesn't matter what the file is called, only the #grflangid in the file matters 18:22:53 <andythenorth> Builders Yard, Builder's Yard or Builders' Yard? 18:23:01 * andythenorth hates the silly apostrophe 18:25:17 <Alberth> just do what you like in the master language file, and let the translators figure it out :p 18:31:50 <andythenorth> done :P 18:42:14 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 18:49:42 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> magnet.oftc.net quits: @Alberth, V453000, th_gergo, heffer, tneo, ^Spike^, Prof_Frink, CornishPasty, @SmatZ, bb10, (+14 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 18:49:58 *** Netsplit kinetic.oftc.net <-> reticulum.oftc.net quits: TinoDidriksen, Guest1439, telanus, Sacro, Rubidium, Vadtec, Baxxster, Progman, pugi, tegro, (+72 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 18:50:47 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> kilo.oftc.net quits: +michi_cc, DabuYu, dihedral, SpComb^, andythenorth, eQualizer|dada, Pinkbeast, NGC3982, tegro, pugi, (+9 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 18:50:47 *** Netsplit over, joins: luckz, avdg, ^Spike^, tneo, V453000, blathijs, @SmatZ, Hirundo, CornishPasty, heffer (+96 more) 18:50:51 *** Netsplit over, joins: flaa, Baxxster, tegro, andythenorth, TGYoshi, pugi, DabuYu, Mazur, Ammler, Pinkbeast (+9 more) 18:57:14 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-121-60.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:05:51 *** kkb110 [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:09:42 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-230-134.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:17:24 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1177643171.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 19:17:26 <drac_boy> hi 19:23:42 <andythenorth> FIRS steep slopes check doesn't work 19:23:43 <andythenorth> dunno why 19:24:22 <andythenorth> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1359/ 19:24:39 <andythenorth> global_constants.py has '4' for IS_STEEP_SLOPE 19:25:35 <Eddi|zuHause> the result of XXX & (1<<4) is of course 1<<4, not 1 19:25:53 <Eddi|zuHause> you should do "0 : next; errtext;" 19:27:25 <andythenorth> this might be a bad fix :P 19:27:40 <andythenorth> I suspect I was relying on this being broken elsewhere :) 19:28:25 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has joined #openttd 19:28:44 <Wolf01> hello 19:29:17 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: that works thanks 19:29:22 <drac_boy> hi Wolf01 19:29:26 <andythenorth> now I have to change lot s of industries :P 19:29:39 <drac_boy> heh 19:37:48 *** telanus [~Barney_Er@196.215.173.27] has left #openttd [] 19:49:54 <andythenorth> -ve: industries on steep slopes look bad 19:50:15 <andythenorth> +ve: industries on steep slopes makes for fewer broken chains with steep maps 19:52:40 *** KritiK [~Maxim@128-72-44-239.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:05:50 <Skau1> i just read about conditional orders 20:05:55 <Skau1> that is just perfect! 20:07:19 *** TWerkhoven2 [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 20:14:07 <Terkhen> good night 20:24:14 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f66d7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:27:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A197C3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:28:50 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:29:12 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:39:47 *** flaa [~flaa@089-101-093077.ntlworld.ie] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:42:36 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc (25*10**6-15956017)/6 20:42:36 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 1507330.5 20:49:23 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1177643171.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 20:51:44 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 20:54:26 <andythenorth> good night 20:54:26 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 20:55:58 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:59:26 *** fonsinchen__ [~fonsinche@dslb-178-000-001-046.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:59:42 <frosch123> ah, my usualy spelling error again.... "immediatelly" 21:01:23 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm a dia telly? 21:01:48 <frosch123> @seen cia-1 21:01:48 <DorpsGek> frosch123: cia-1 was last seen in #openttd 3 hours, 21 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 2 changes by Jogio 21:03:35 <V453000> what is the max production of a candyfloss forest? Isnt it 2295 as other industries? I just got 2550 21:03:51 <frosch123> the production is limited by the number of tiles 21:04:20 <frosch123> oh, candyfloss 21:04:31 <frosch123> well, what i said applies only to processing industries 21:04:39 <V453000> I know :z 21:04:47 <frosch123> are you using smooth economy? 21:04:58 <V453000> sure 21:05:09 <frosch123> @calc 255 * 9 21:05:09 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 2295 21:05:26 <V453000> that is the usual maximum 21:05:33 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05:42 <frosch123> well, i would believe if it can get 8 more or so 21:05:43 <Eddi|zuHause> there is something that makes it 255*10 21:05:52 <frosch123> but not 250 21:06:01 <Eddi|zuHause> at least all kinds of documentation say that 21:06:15 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 21:06:27 <V453000> :o 21:06:38 <Eddi|zuHause> usually it says "forests", but i guess that nobody tested this for toyland 21:06:52 <frosch123> @calc (256*9 + 1) / 74 21:06:52 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 31.1486486486 21:07:00 <frosch123> you need 32 days for that 21:07:07 <V453000> oh 21:07:17 <V453000> h 21:07:19 <V453000> hm 21:08:53 <frosch123> oh, candyfloss forrest transports in units of 30 21:09:11 <V453000> what does that mean? 21:09:13 <frosch123> @calc 255 * 9 + 29 21:09:13 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 2324 21:09:36 <Nat_aS> how do you make daimonds profitable? 21:09:45 <frosch123> V453000: all industries stockpile their production and only transfer it to a station if they reach a certain amount 21:09:55 *** goodger [~ben@94-30-43-248.xdsl.murphx.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:10:05 <V453000> :o 21:10:08 <frosch123> 30 is quite a lot 21:10:12 <frosch123> the other industries have 5 or 8 21:10:40 <frosch123> so if you have a candyfloss forest that produces 12 per month 21:10:47 <frosch123> it only delivers every 2.5 months 21:10:59 <frosch123> battery farm has also 30 21:11:07 <V453000> interesting 21:11:19 <frosch123> hmm, normal forest as well 21:11:58 <frosch123> yeah, those 3 21:12:03 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what makes forests produce 10 times in a month, but all documentation i ever read said that 21:12:44 <frosch123> the tropic lumbermill produces more often :) 21:13:01 <frosch123> hmm, actually i have no idea how often that one produces 21:13:15 <V453000> these things have like 256 max production dont they 21:13:18 <frosch123> probably it uses the tileloop as well, so also 8 or 9 21:13:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think it does 21:13:43 <frosch123> lumbermil produces a fixed amount per tree 21:13:48 <frosch123> and cuts trees at constant rate 21:13:49 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, 255*10 is the only sane explanation for that number 21:14:13 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:14:47 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:14:49 <V453000> indeed, I thought the same on the first sight 21:15:17 <V453000> are some months longer than others? 21:15:24 <frosch123> yes :p 21:15:36 <V453000> when I was reading the 2550 it was in September 21:15:43 <V453000> August is longer isnt it 21:15:52 <Rubidium> @calc 31/(256/74) 21:15:52 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 8.9609375 21:15:57 <frosch123> aug 31, sep 30, okt 31 21:15:58 <V453000> could that make the one more 255 21:16:22 <Rubidium> @calc 31/(255/74) 21:16:22 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 8.99607843137 21:16:35 <V453000> guess that would mean I would be gettingi t every 2nd month with good probability .. :) 21:17:24 <Rubidium> it can't produce 10 times in a month, unless it's more than 31 days long 21:17:38 <Rubidium> @calc 2550/30 21:17:38 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 85 21:17:43 <V453000> hm :) 21:24:31 <Rubidium> V453000: what version of OpenTTD do you run? 21:24:52 <V453000> 24119 21:25:51 *** Volley [~worf@chello080109200187.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:26:55 <Rubidium> it might be the "transporting" that makes it look like it produced 2550 21:27:57 <Rubidium> the production triggers incrementing an internal value of the industry. This happens every 256 ticks (so 8 or 9 times at tick, with 9 being more common) 21:28:59 <Rubidium> the transporting moves cargo from this internal value of the industry to the stations and updates the 'transported' and 'produced' counts you see in the GUI. This happens on the basis of the tile loop 21:29:11 <V453000> :D 21:29:14 <V453000> alright 21:30:18 <Rubidium> so with 9 being more common, I'd imagine two months after eachother with 9. In both cases the last one is pretty near the end of the month. In the first month the 'transporting' doesn't happen before the end of the month and in the second is happens just before the end of the month 21:30:35 <Rubidium> this would then, theoretically, be seen as 10 productions in a month 21:30:36 *** xahodo [~chatzilla@xahodo.demon.nl] has joined #openttd 21:30:42 <xahodo> Hello 21:31:06 <V453000> I see :) thanks for the explanation 21:32:18 <xahodo> Is there something wrong with the website or has r24181 failed to build for win64? The website gives a file not found error when I try to download that revision. 21:33:24 *** brambles [brambles@79.133.200.49] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:33:26 <V453000> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20419525/2550prod.png :P 21:34:09 *** brambles [brambles@79.133.200.49] has joined #openttd 21:36:07 <Rubidium> xahodo: seems the hungarian mirror failed to sync for some reason 21:37:44 <frosch123> hmm, yeah, that could work. V453000: does the industry maybe have really few tiles? 21:38:44 <V453000> few tiles? 21:39:09 <frosch123> the effect rb describes is more likely if the industry has less tiles 21:39:24 <V453000> well candyfloss forest has quite a lot of tiles 21:39:26 <frosch123> though it won't work with a signle tile i guess 21:39:33 <Wolf01> 'night 21:39:36 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:39:48 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 21:43:47 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-230-134.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 12.0/20120417165043]] 21:47:47 *** mal2 [~mal2@port-92-206-7-40.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:52:22 <frosch123> night 21:52:25 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f66d7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:57:42 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 22:01:34 *** bb10X [~bb10@bb10x.org] has joined #openttd 22:01:35 *** bb10 [~bb10@bb10x.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:02:34 *** xahodo [~chatzilla@xahodo.demon.nl] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 11.0/20120312181643]] 22:05:24 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.141.106] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:14:12 *** DorpsGek is now known as Guest1866 22:14:42 *** DorpsGek [~dorpsgek@178-33-38-239.ovh.net] has joined #openttd 22:14:46 *** mode/#openttd [+o DorpsGek] by ChanServ 22:17:12 *** Guest1866 [~dorpsgek@178-33-38-239.ovh.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:12 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@213-186-253-165.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:31:07 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-184-218.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 22:35:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r24182 /trunk/src/saveload/town_sl.cpp: -Fix [FS#5169-ish]: The population of a town was computed incorrectly for overridden houses when loading a game. 22:35:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: frosch * r24183 /trunk/src/town_cmd.cpp: -Fix [FS#5169]: Town radii were not updated immediatelly after construction/destruction of houses, resulting in desyncs. 22:40:23 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-153.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 22:47:22 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.26.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:52:32 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:54:56 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-94-164.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 22:57:35 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@noiv.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:57:59 *** George is now known as Guest1873 22:58:03 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 22:59:01 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@noiv.net] has joined #openttd 23:03:17 *** Guest1873 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:06:06 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:12:07 <V453000> what could possibly be the reason that my openttd 1.2.0 crashes with the opengfx+trains nightly 411? 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