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00:00:07 <Nat_aS> is there a newgrf perameter that allows engines to be reversed in multihead trains 00:00:30 <Nat_aS> IRL, when a train has more than one engine, the second or third will be facing backwards for some reason, with only the first engine facing forward 00:00:45 <Nat_aS> this happens on large north American freight trains 00:00:58 <Nat_aS> but in OTTD if you multihead, all the engines will face forward. 00:01:04 <glx> use ctrl 00:01:21 <Nat_aS> you can do that? 00:02:50 <Rienzilla> !help 00:02:50 *** Rienzilla was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 00:03:02 *** Rienzilla [~rien@sinas.rename-it.nl] has joined #openttd 00:03:05 <Rienzilla> lol, how nice :D 00:03:14 <Nat_aS> lol 00:03:25 <Nat_aS> http://waynesword.palomar.edu/cajtrain.htm 00:03:39 <Nat_aS> looking at pictures, it seems to be arbitraraly random 00:03:50 <Nat_aS> I guess only the direction the first engine is pointing in matters, 00:04:03 <Nat_aS> it's not worth it to turn the extra engines around while forming the train. 00:04:27 <Nat_aS> although one in the back facing reverse probably helps when attaching to the cars. 00:05:03 <Nat_aS> http://waynesword.palomar.edu/images/gltrai3b.jpg 00:05:21 <Nat_aS> are these engines going backwards, or are those longnose types? 00:06:16 <drac_boy> could be either 00:06:35 <Nat_aS> I just realized how ambigious that was 00:06:38 <drac_boy> get a closer photo to find where the "F" letter label is on the side of chassis .. that'll tell you what it was originally set up for 00:06:48 <drac_boy> F is short to Front naturally 00:07:06 <drac_boy> even the carbody diesels still had the F letter next to the nose 00:07:30 <Nat_aS> I know some engines have cabs in the back for safety, if they hit something, the engine will absorb the impact and protect the driver 00:07:45 <drac_boy> Nat_aS mind you tho.. a lot of Alco RS used to be sold as long-nose but were rebuilt for either dual or short-nose instead due to the amount of smoke they could make 00:07:58 <Nat_aS> but that reduces visibility, so they usualy put the cab in the front with an impact absorbing section in front of that 00:08:02 <drac_boy> talk about finding your windshield smeared with black oil 00:08:20 <Nat_aS> oh yeah, the smoke is probably also an issue. 00:08:21 <glx> Nat_aS: just ctrl-click on an engine in depot 00:08:27 *** Dwarden [Dwarden@ip-89-176-187-246.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: MS: where do u want2go today? Tux: Where do u want to2go tomorrow? FreeBSD: Are u guys coming or what? || Support OGP! http://www.open-game-protocol.org/] 00:08:46 <Nat_aS> what CAN'T the ctrl button do in this game 00:08:48 <Nat_aS> seriously 00:08:52 <Nat_aS> I learn somehting new every day 00:09:15 <glx> we call it the magic key ;) 00:10:03 <drac_boy> Nat_aS heres two examples of 'normal' alco engines for you :-p http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7185/6859857789_516c566fd7_z.jpg and http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6137/5978431292_4a5a8be824_z.jpg 00:10:03 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-27.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 00:10:15 <drac_boy> little smoke was NOT normal on the contrast ... as crazy as that sounds 00:10:22 <Nat_aS> :C 00:10:34 <Nat_aS> hmm 00:10:38 <drac_boy> so you can see why many RS units were eventually short-nose configured 00:10:45 <Nat_aS> that might be an intresting thing to consider in an engine set 00:10:58 <Nat_aS> some trains can't carry passingers, not because they lack steam heat 00:11:03 <Nat_aS> but because they make too much smoke 00:11:08 <drac_boy> and nat_as its not just alcos ... many of the old heavy diesels in russia are known for lots of smokes too 00:12:42 <drac_boy> Nat_aS while we're talking about that there was another thing with baldwin .. they were good at steam locomotives but also had a decent reputation for local and mainroad shunters as well ... they had one slight silly thing tho... 00:12:43 <Nat_aS> steam heating stops being an issue as time goes by in the sets that have it, but engines that make too much smoke should probably never be able to carry passinger cars. 00:13:05 <drac_boy> as one mechanic said.. if a baldwin was not leaking a bit of oil all the times there was something wrong with it 00:13:15 <Nat_aS> Ewww 00:13:40 <Nat_aS> granted, the SR71 blackbird leaks fuel on the runway 00:13:45 <drac_boy> well it goes to show.. alco smokes like steam ... baldwin were overbuilt so they could leak or be overloaded but they keep going .... etc 00:14:09 <Nat_aS> because it's built to allow the metal to expand as it heats up in flight 00:14:10 <glx> concorde leaked too 00:14:12 <drac_boy> and mind you in a few cases a baldwin ended up at the major repair shop only because it finally threw more than one piston AND had a cracked crankshaft at same time 00:14:12 <Nat_aS> and seals the leaks 00:14:23 <drac_boy> that went to show how stout they were on the road 00:14:34 <Nat_aS> lol crazy 00:14:42 <drac_boy> yeah it'll throw one piston but still keep running 00:14:45 <drac_boy> that was a baldwin for you 00:15:15 <Nat_aS> like the Toyota Huix 00:15:19 <Nat_aS> :v 00:15:36 <Nat_aS> Where's andy 00:15:43 <Nat_aS> I need to demand a Huix in BANDIT 00:15:55 <Nat_aS> lowest running cost and highest reliability. 00:16:11 <drac_boy> nat_as mind you electric locomotives sometimes could be the same .. eg a 2011 locomotive dies at station platform due to too much icing up while standing at signal .. while a 1986 locomotive replacement just shoves the dead loco out of way and take the train onward like as if it didn't even know what 'icy temperature' word was 00:16:19 <Nat_aS> can be fitted with a trailer to tripple the cargo capacity. 00:16:27 *** we6029 [5c1887d8@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 00:16:39 <drac_boy> older steels were more stiff than the new steel/plastic they use today sometimes 00:17:15 *** we6029 [5c1887d8@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [] 00:18:01 *** roadt_ [~roadt@114.96.137.215] has joined #openttd 00:18:03 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.137.215] has joined #openttd 00:19:14 <drac_boy> Nat_aS you know a bit of the Long Island Rail Road or not so much? 00:19:31 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-205-24.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:22:42 *** KByte [~11Runner@c-24-20-61-147.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:22:47 *** Hazzard [~7b7b6903@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 00:23:05 <Nat_aS> not really 00:24:01 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-02.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 00:25:17 <drac_boy> nat_as mm its a commuters based railroad .. and the interesting thing was the era of three different powers together ... the old steamers, the electrics, and the new alco diesels .. more than often it was only the steamers running reliably through the snow :-p 00:25:37 <drac_boy> electrics had problem with frozen rails ... and the alcos failed a lot for some reason 00:27:03 <Nat_aS> ahh 00:27:24 <Nat_aS> Electrics have a problem with frozen rails because they don't give off as much heat? 00:27:45 <drac_boy> nah it was because of the third rail being half-buried in the snow.. and sometimes chunked with ice as well 00:28:57 <Nat_aS> oh, I thought you meant pantograph electric 00:29:21 <drac_boy> Nat_aS there is one way to stop pantograph electrics ... poorly-located air intakes :) 00:29:36 <drac_boy> look at what happened to your cheap bastard eurostar on that one bad tunnel complication before 00:30:13 <Nat_aS> hmm? 00:30:49 <drac_boy> or on a more friendly note noone could had known about the intake's poor location on the GG1 which caused a lot of them to 'die' one bad winter ... part of the fleet got reofitted with a boxy filter on the outside of the intake to cure that problem 00:31:03 *** Hazzard [~7b7b6903@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:31:41 <drac_boy> funny enough these particular GG1s were often pressed to haul the metroliner emus during some winters because these emus had even more problem with the snow 00:33:17 <Nat_aS> hmm, is there any newgrf perameter for handling differently in snow? In alpine maps? 00:34:17 <drac_boy> no idea sorry :) 00:35:21 *** Hazzard [~7b7b6903@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 00:35:25 <drac_boy> hmm wondering if this ET 420 could fit on light rails now 00:36:22 <Nat_aS> http://waynesword.palomar.edu/images/sdtrai1b.jpg 00:36:56 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d0868c7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us] 00:37:41 <drac_boy> oh NS Plan V trainset...hm 00:37:46 <drac_boy> going to have to narrow it down -_- 00:37:57 *** KByte [~11Runner@c-24-20-61-147.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:47:29 <drac_boy> at least I know I'll like the ET89 :p 00:52:51 <drac_boy> Nat_aS what do you think of it as well? http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Triebwagen_ET89.jpg&filetimestamp=20100829080455 00:53:18 <Nat_aS> nice 00:53:23 <drac_boy> and its pretty much a loco too http://www.zackenbahn.de/Images/2_Vorbild/23_Fahrzeuge/ET89/et89_07.jpg 00:53:29 <Nat_aS> I mostly play the tropic set, but it lacks a lot of niches 00:53:43 <drac_boy> so I could run it alone or with a few wagons .. who'll care :) 00:54:20 <Nat_aS> I'd like to make a set that uses some of it's engines, but has better options for passinger trains, more electrics, and Monolevs 00:54:29 <Nat_aS> also, less funky carlenghts 01:00:03 *** KByte [~11Runner@c-24-20-61-147.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:02:07 <drac_boy> Nat_aS btw can I show you a different form of railcars? 01:08:32 <Nat_aS> sure 01:09:41 <drac_boy> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Wittfeldakkutriebwageninlage.jpg it might look a little chunky but thats for a good reason ... 01:10:36 <drac_boy> guess whats under the hoods at both ends ... its self-powered but makes almost no noise at all except for the traction motors .. and it does not have any pickups of any kind 01:11:42 <drac_boy> or shall I just tell you instead? :) 01:15:30 <drac_boy> Nat_aS? 01:18:45 *** KByte [~11Runner@c-24-20-61-147.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:25:38 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable085.125-161-184.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 01:28:19 <Nat_aS> oh sorry 01:28:21 <Nat_aS> :c 01:28:52 <Nat_aS> you left, but I was going to guess batteries. 01:45:22 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:284c:7369:ed00:4489] has quit [Quit: bye] 01:59:28 *** APTX [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:04:52 *** pugi_ [~pugi@host-091-097-188-074.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 02:07:35 *** pugi_ [~pugi@host-091-097-188-074.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 02:09:38 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-049-094.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:15:41 *** roadt__ [~roadt@60.168.87.213] has joined #openttd 02:22:30 *** roadt_ [~roadt@114.96.137.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:22:46 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.137.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:25:27 *** koreanuser [cb525f9d@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 02:26:09 <koreanuser> wallow 02:27:09 <koreanuser> hllo 02:27:11 <koreanuser> newbie 02:27:19 <koreanuser> is here 02:30:00 *** koreanuser [cb525f9d@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [] 02:30:45 *** roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.87.213] has joined #openttd 02:44:18 *** Nat_aS is now known as Nat_AFK 03:50:43 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.114.235.19.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:56:59 *** KByte [~11Runner@c-24-20-61-147.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:05:54 *** lestat [55316526@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 04:09:53 *** Nat_AFK is now known as Nat_aS 04:41:24 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 04:49:31 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@87.189.72.54] has quit [] 04:49:47 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD48A1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:16:33 *** KByte [~11Runner@c-24-20-61-147.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:24:04 *** telanus [~Barney_Er@196.215.173.116] has joined #openttd 05:32:40 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-92-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 05:34:57 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e09ee84.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:16:34 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.151.112] has joined #openttd 06:37:00 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-92-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:39:29 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D58.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:42:58 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:45:19 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-92-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 06:59:50 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-92-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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10:37:44 <Markk> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1f/Krill_swarm.jpg 10:37:45 <Markk> Krill? 10:38:08 <drac_boy> NGC3982 yeah the chrill build of ottd 10:40:54 *** telanus1 [~Barney_Er@196.215.173.116] has joined #openttd 10:41:51 <Eddi|zuHause> that's not the name, anyway... 10:42:23 <NGC3982> ah, i see. 10:42:29 <NGC3982> krill <3. 10:45:09 *** telanus [~Barney_Er@196.215.173.116] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:00:25 <drac_boy> anyone here mind giving me a quick deutsch translation? 11:20:57 <Rubidium> nein? 11:22:02 *** Hazzard [~7b7828e1@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 11:27:33 *** tparker [~tparker@2600:3c03::1d:4242] has joined #openttd 11:29:29 *** Mark [~Mark@5ED06D58.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 11:31:02 <Hazzard> Is there a grf that removes oil rigs? 11:31:32 *** mal2 [~mal2@z529a.pia.fu-berlin.de] has joined #openttd 11:39:01 <NGC3982> Hazzard: i do not think so. 11:39:09 <NGC3982> Hazzard: im not sure, but google tells me there isnt. 11:41:45 *** roboboy [~robotboy@CPE-58-173-43-55.nxzp1.ken.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 11:55:00 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn-xdsl-77-86-195-47.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:57:52 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn-xdsl-77-86-195-47.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 11:59:40 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:03:00 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:5943:a520:5c92:c106] has joined #openttd 12:03:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:04:58 *** mal2 [~mal2@z529a.pia.fu-berlin.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:26:05 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 12:26:18 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 12:27:00 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 12:29:10 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:36:56 <Hazzard> Is there a place where you can sample all the SFX sounds? 12:47:56 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 13:09:28 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:10:17 <planetmaker> What do you mean with "sample all the SFX sounds"? 13:13:00 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable085.125-161-184.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 13:15:07 <NGC3982> i guess he refers to a directory or something 13:16:09 *** Hazzard [~7b7828e1@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:17:24 *** telanus1 [~Barney_Er@196.215.173.116] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:17:46 *** telanus [~Barney_Er@196.215.173.116] has joined #openttd 13:30:27 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e09ee84.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:36:50 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.151.112] has joined #openttd 13:44:03 *** telanus [~Barney_Er@196.215.173.116] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:00:46 <Terkhen> hello 14:15:04 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 14:24:39 <Belugas> hello 14:25:22 <FLHerne> hello 14:26:33 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:28:37 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 14:29:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:30:02 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:36:13 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:36:36 <Terkhen> hi FLHerne 14:39:55 *** kaenkky [~kaenkky_@212-226-40-14-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:40:14 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E8CC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:05:05 *** kais58_ [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:06:56 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:11:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19524.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:13:14 *** kaenkky [~kaenkky_@212-226-43-251-nat.elisa-mobile.fi] has joined #openttd 15:17:07 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 15:40:22 <NGC3982> http://www.flickr.com/photos/appemobile/7176925438/in/photostream 15:40:28 <NGC3982> how to keep track on your work force. 15:45:55 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-184-57-41-122.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:46:28 <supermop> hi 15:54:56 *** Nat_AFK is now known as Nat_aS 15:57:04 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:03:47 *** Firartix [~artixds@51.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 16:05:03 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d08ee1f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:05:54 *** roadt__ [~roadt@60.168.87.213] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:06:08 <Terkhen> andythenorth: FIRS 0.7.5 works in toyland, intended? 16:06:14 *** roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.87.213] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:07:12 <andythenorth> [shrug] :) 16:08:12 <Terkhen> it looks horrible, but it might look nicer with brickland :P 16:08:41 <supermop> planetmaker: I'm bored and want to draw a mail refit for the original DMUs, maybe you can put it in the + set if you like, where is the best place to grab a templated manly morrell and dash? 16:12:17 <andythenorth> Terkhen: brickland! :) 16:12:25 <andythenorth> render FIRS in 32BPP? 16:12:45 <supermop> shouldn't there be lego styled industries for that? 16:13:43 <andythenorth> whole new cargos + chains 16:13:47 <andythenorth> supermop: you can design it :) 16:14:47 <supermop> no, same industries but built out of legos 16:15:11 <Terkhen> lego industries, building pieces of different colours 16:17:05 <andythenorth> different kinds of pieces 16:17:07 <andythenorth> bricks 16:17:08 <andythenorth> wheels 16:17:12 <andythenorth> minifig tools 16:17:23 <andythenorth> etc 16:17:42 <andythenorth> parts categories are here: http://www.bricklink.com/catalogTree.asp?itemType=P 16:17:50 <andythenorth> animals can be done 16:17:57 <andythenorth> hmm 16:18:04 <andythenorth> TTD lacks a 'pirate' theme 16:18:13 <andythenorth> maybe that could be part of brickland 16:18:59 <andythenorth> brickland should have 4.5v, 9v, 12v and power functions trains 16:19:11 <andythenorth> *not* using the official lego names or branding though 16:19:15 <andythenorth> and also the monorail 16:19:37 <andythenorth> http://www.peeron.com/inv/sets/6990-1 16:20:05 <andythenorth> boats are pretty straightforward 16:20:06 <andythenorth> http://www.brickset.com/search/?theme=Boats&query=boat 16:20:17 <andythenorth> although seriously, fireboats and police boats will be over-represented :P 16:20:38 <V453000> omg andy :-D 16:20:54 <andythenorth> V453000: you know it needs doing 16:21:02 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe7f7.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:21:03 <andythenorth> I won't do it though :P 16:21:12 <V453000> I actually made a lego house a long time ago :d 16:21:24 <andythenorth> done carefully, it would be a fricking awesome total-landscape mod :P 16:21:39 <andythenorth> and is good for 32bpp 16:21:50 <V453000> myeah but effort 16:21:59 <andythenorth> also 16:22:09 <andythenorth> all the parts are modelled already http://www.ldraw.org/ 16:22:16 <V453000> lol 16:22:31 <andythenorth> just go from ldraw / legocad to renders 16:22:40 * andythenorth is deadly serious ;) 16:23:09 <andythenorth> it's all creative commons afaict 16:23:35 <V453000> :D 16:24:59 <andythenorth> http://www.ldraw.org/Article227.html 16:25:07 <andythenorth> no artistic skill needed 16:25:23 <andythenorth> many of the official lego sets are already modelled 16:25:28 <andythenorth> just render 16:25:42 <V453000> boring then 16:26:10 <andythenorth> still have to do design, game balance ;) 16:28:08 <V453000> well you could just replace sprites 16:28:44 <supermop> if you scalled a set down to fit on just a few tiles, it wouldn't look like lego anymore 16:28:56 <andythenorth> replacing sprites....boring :P 16:29:04 <supermop> especially if the tiles are 6x6 bumps 16:29:10 <andythenorth> supermop: good point :o 16:29:35 <supermop> better to use the micro scale techniques 16:29:44 <supermop> ill try to make some today 16:30:40 *** eQualizer|dada [~lauri@dyn-xdsl-77-86-195-47.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 16:31:49 <andythenorth> supermop: http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=478273 16:31:59 <andythenorth> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=426408 16:32:09 <andythenorth> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=426409 16:32:16 <andythenorth> http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=426411 16:32:19 <supermop> nice 16:32:24 <andythenorth> micro-scale = very nice 16:32:33 <andythenorth> the creativity in some of those is impressive 16:32:47 <supermop> but the loading gauge should be maybe 4 bumps wide at most? let me see 16:32:59 <V453000> interesting 16:33:04 <supermop> i don't like the controls in this 16:33:06 <andythenorth> supermop: try for 2 bumps 16:33:26 <supermop> i thought about that, and it mimicks original scale 16:33:29 <supermop> but 16:33:34 <supermop> i don't like it 16:33:51 <supermop> why cant i invert mouse? 16:33:59 <andythenorth> oh :( 16:34:01 <supermop> the pan pans the wrong way 16:34:06 <andythenorth> 2 wide crocodile :) http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=5439693 16:34:18 <supermop> cute 16:34:25 <supermop> its so tall though 16:34:33 <andythenorth> true 16:34:34 <supermop> thats like 3 height levels tall 16:34:51 <supermop> brb lunch with my dad 16:34:56 <andythenorth> looks good from the side, might be thin from above / end 16:35:20 <V453000> well mainly it probably looks a lot different from the other side 16:35:28 <V453000> unless is is 4 wide and cloned to the other side 16:35:54 <andythenorth> maybe that's the solution :P 16:36:49 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn-xdsl-77-86-195-47.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:37:51 <supermop> iyeah - loading gauge 4 16:38:00 <supermop> ok going for real now 16:41:07 <planetmaker> supermop: did you look at OpenGFX+ Trains? It should have suitable mail wagons for all its DMUs 16:48:34 *** Nat_aS is now known as Nat_AFK 16:56:17 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:56:20 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:56:28 <Alberth> hi hi 17:11:24 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-21-137.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:15:27 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-23-1.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:16:12 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has joined #openttd 17:16:44 <Wolf01> hello 17:16:55 <Alberth> hi Wolf01 17:17:22 <Alberth> tea, coffee? 17:18:14 <Wolf01> tea, thank you, I just had a coffee 17:18:35 * Alberth purs a cup of tea for Wolf01, with a cookie 17:18:47 <Alberth> *pours 17:20:03 <Wolf01> thank you :P 17:20:27 *** Nat_AFK is now known as Nat_aS 17:21:02 <Alberth> it's still early apparently, you are the first person entering in 20 minutes :) 17:22:34 *** DabuYu [DoubleYou@128.250.79.185] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:23:02 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:24:07 <Wolf01> I sneaked out from work in time this evening 17:25:59 <Alberth> I stayed a little longer as I was in the middle of rewriting some complicated code which I wanted to finish 17:28:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:29:09 <Wolf01> I did that for the past... 3 weeks 17:30:40 <Alberth> :o 17:31:04 <Alberth> sounds like you earned an early friday evening :) 17:31:48 <Wolf01> only because tomorrow is the marriage of my boss ;) 17:32:04 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:35:45 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:36:22 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-24-57.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 17:39:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r24223 /trunk/src/lang/ (french.txt latvian.txt polish.txt russian.txt vietnamese.txt): 17:39:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:39:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: french - 2 changes by OliTTD 17:39:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: latvian - 1 changes by Parastais 17:39:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: polish - 10 changes by wojteks86 17:39:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: russian - 36 changes by Lone_Wolf 17:39:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: vietnamese - 5 changes by nglekhoi 17:43:19 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E8CC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:57:08 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:57:52 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 17:58:00 <Nat_aS> guh 18:02:58 <Alberth> is that an English word? 18:04:22 <Nat_aS> yes 18:05:18 <Alberth> good evening :) 18:08:08 <Nat_aS> hello 18:39:25 *** brambles [brambles@79.133.200.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40:59 *** brambles [brambles@79.133.200.49] has joined #openttd 18:41:08 * Rubidium didn't even go to work today ;) 18:41:18 <Rubidium> beat that! 18:45:38 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:45:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i'd definitely win that contest 18:46:53 <Rubidium> why? 18:47:38 <Rubidium> if you're unemployed, then you're doing that unemployment thing every minute of the week 18:49:17 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, i do have a job 18:51:15 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 18:52:11 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:10:09 *** Chris_Booth[ph] [~chrisboot@81.152.251.165] has joined #openttd 19:19:33 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn-xdsl-77-86-195-47.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 19:23:16 *** kkb110_ [~kkb110@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 19:24:34 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d142-179-78-231.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:24:44 *** Chris_Booth[ph] [~chrisboot@81.152.251.165] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 19:25:39 *** eQualizer|dada [~lauri@dyn-xdsl-77-86-195-47.nebulazone.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:26:31 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-124-99.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:29:12 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-26-200-129.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:31:29 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-24-57.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:32:56 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:45:22 *** mal2 [~mal2@port-92-206-130-121.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 19:54:51 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 19:55:11 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:59:15 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:09:08 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.114.235.19.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 20:19:57 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:23:31 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.114.235.19.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:27:42 *** hackalittlebit [57c4261e@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 20:29:26 <hackalittlebit> frosch123: Did you have a sneek peek :) 20:32:45 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable085.125-161-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 20:32:47 <drac_boy> hi 20:33:45 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.114.235.19.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 20:34:39 <frosch123> hackalittlebit: yes, but sadly there is no convergence in sight :) all new layouts are very different from the others 20:35:30 <frosch123> it would be nice if we could first settle what settings are advanced and which not 20:35:49 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: rubidium * r24224 /trunk/src/newgrf_industries.cpp: -Fix [FS#5159]: dereferencing uninitialised pointer (frosch) 20:36:08 <frosch123> in your last layout you really surprised me by making the start date an advanced setting :) 20:36:35 <hackalittlebit> was not in original game 20:36:44 <drac_boy> doesn't matter 20:36:50 <drac_boy> 1920 is not advanced 20:36:53 <drac_boy> :) 20:37:01 <frosch123> more than 1492 :p 20:38:12 <hackalittlebit> for me fine I'll put it back. 20:39:22 <hackalittlebit> Yuo wan't to study it a bit more? 20:39:28 <frosch123> maybe we should hold a short survey for every setting, whether they are advanced, not so advanced, or questionably advanced 20:40:00 <drac_boy> frosch123 as long as you don't list all the stupid little things :) 20:40:04 <drac_boy> especially colour newspapers 20:40:06 <drac_boy> heh heh 20:40:11 <Rubidium> come on, you need three levels of advancedness: noob (type of map (4 options), size: 5 options: tiny, small, medium, large, huge) 20:40:15 <frosch123> i mean only mapgen stuff :) 20:41:00 <frosch123> yeah, we should add password protection for maps bigger than 512x512 :p 20:41:29 <hackalittlebit> wait a second , I will post tomorrow list with all options. 20:42:04 <hackalittlebit> then we can go item by item 20:42:39 <hackalittlebit> just an idea, would a reset button do? 20:42:58 <hackalittlebit> reset to original state 20:43:36 <drac_boy> whats "original" tho silly? 20:45:35 <frosch123> i don't think there is any reasonable default or original state 20:46:00 <hackalittlebit> he he 20:46:21 <frosch123> we discussed dropping the weird difficulty options, so then there would be even less defaults 20:47:07 <Rubidium> use the settings that approximate the default settings for the single climate demo version? 20:49:13 <hackalittlebit> rubidium: In fact there should be something like that. realy setting game state back to when you downloaded for the first time 20:49:35 <hackalittlebit> coreldraw has it 20:50:30 <hackalittlebit> and I saw somewere in FS you had problems with default settings 20:50:36 <Rubidium> I doubt that, maybe to the 'factory' settings of the currently installed version, but not the factory settings on the version you installed first (and then upgraded the heck away from) 20:50:52 <hackalittlebit> ok 20:51:07 <Rubidium> but for that just close openttd and trash openttd.cfg 20:52:05 <hackalittlebit> so then it would be easy to solve 20:52:28 <hackalittlebit> restart game 20:57:48 <hackalittlebit> rubidium:fs5154 20:58:31 <hackalittlebit> moment you can not read var, use original 20:59:03 <Rubidium> it does that 20:59:13 *** theholyduck [~holyduck@82.147.59.59] has joined #openttd 20:59:23 <Rubidium> that's not what fs5154 is about 21:01:03 <Rubidium> the bug is about crashing because it tries to tell you that a setting is incorrect using the string system 21:01:17 <Rubidium> which coincidentally isn't loaded at that time yet 21:02:01 <Rubidium> mostly due to only being able to load it after knowing the language, which will only be known after loading the bunch of settings that it are troublesome w.r.t. 5154 21:04:02 <hackalittlebit> fs5153 21:04:10 <hackalittlebit> made by eddy 21:04:20 <hackalittlebit> eddi 21:07:38 <Rubidium> what point are you trying to make? 21:11:21 *** hackalittlebits [57c4261e@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:11:55 <hackalittlebits> sorry lost connection :( 21:13:15 <hackalittlebits> For new users it should be possible to mees around and try and knowing they can go back to clean state 21:13:47 <hackalittlebits> I my self have that with new software 21:13:56 *** hackalittlebit [57c4261e@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:14:27 <hackalittlebits> makes sense no? 21:25:54 *** hackalittlebits [57c4261e@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:25:59 *** hackalittlebits [57c4261e@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:28:18 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.jkit.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:28:26 <frosch123> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1394/ <- hackalittlebits: my personal classification of the settings 21:28:34 <frosch123> others may have different opinions :) 21:30:09 <hackalittlebits> ok, I'll make changes and lets see :) 21:30:26 <hackalittlebits> tomorrow i will post 21:30:54 <hackalittlebits> see you 21:30:58 <frosch123> bye 21:31:14 *** hackalittlebits [57c4261e@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 21:33:53 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.jkit.nl] has joined #openttd 21:34:53 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:35:07 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 21:39:15 <FLHerne> frosch123: I'd dispute rivers and especially map edges on that list 21:39:47 <frosch123> do you regulary change map edges? 21:39:52 <FLHerne> Yes... 21:39:56 <FLHerne> :P 21:40:20 <FLHerne> Pretty much every game I have different ones 21:40:52 <frosch123> well, the show-advanced setting could be remembered, so you would always see all settings :) 21:41:23 <frosch123> but, if there are users who change map edges regulary, we will likely find a user for every setting 21:41:43 <FLHerne> Yeah, but I don't really want to have to flip through the advanced settings every time I start a new game :-( 21:41:54 <frosch123> wrt. rivers i don't think i have enough experience :p 21:42:15 <FLHerne> Add a 'favourite settings' panel :D 21:42:30 <FLHerne> Then people could select the ones they used often 21:42:52 <frosch123> i think if you are at a point where you use stuff often, you likely know all the settings anyway 21:43:45 <FLHerne> I know where they are, but I'm very lazy :P 21:44:36 <frosch123> then write the settings into a notepad, and c&p them into the console :p 21:45:02 <FLHerne> A panel where I could select my most-used settings would be neater :D 21:46:04 <FLHerne> Unlikely, sadly :-( 21:46:11 <frosch123> sounds like a flattr button next to each setting :p 21:46:43 <FLHerne> flattr? 21:48:52 * FLHerne goes to bed 21:48:55 <FLHerne> ['night 21:51:26 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 21:52:32 <Nat_aS> http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=392342&nseq=10#remarks 21:52:33 <Nat_aS> wut? 21:53:48 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@95.76.151.112] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 22:03:16 <Wolf01> ahah 22:15:35 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:29:42 <Terkhen> good night 22:33:21 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 22:35:29 <Wolf01> 'night 22:35:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19524.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35:33 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:42:15 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe7f7.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:50:55 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 22:52:21 <Nat_aS> why can't you assign colors by group? 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