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05:37:16 <NataS> me 05:38:36 <HootzMcToke> Hey 05:39:57 <NataS> sup 05:42:15 <HootzMcToke> not to much just trying setup a CityBuilder server 05:42:25 <NataS> CITY BUILDER 05:42:28 <HootzMcToke> But not really sure where to start 05:42:30 <NataS> explain good sir 05:42:39 <HootzMcToke> Well i see all the city builder server listed 05:42:46 <HootzMcToke> And i enjoy playing on them so do my friends 05:42:58 <HootzMcToke> brb buzzer is going off 05:44:31 <HootzMcToke> Ok back, yea i want to get one going but i'm not sure how they differ from normal ones or if theres any GRF's i need for it 05:44:46 <HootzMcToke> I noticed there were 2 listed on the online search but not really sure how they work 05:45:46 <NataS> oh 05:45:50 <NataS> i don't know 05:45:56 <NataS> I was hoping you could tell me about them 05:45:56 <HootzMcToke> Ah ok 05:45:57 <NataS> :c 05:46:04 <HootzMcToke> Thanks anyways 05:46:11 <HootzMcToke> Ill probably just play with settings 05:48:03 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 06:14:46 *** telanus1 [~Barney_Er@196-210-244-73.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 06:19:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:20:15 *** telanus2 [~Barney_Er@196-210-244-73.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 06:21:34 *** telanus [~Barney_Er@196-210-244-73.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:22:01 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@115.133.12.255] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:26:17 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 06:26:17 *** George is now known as Guest2377 06:26:17 *** George|2 is now known as George 06:27:17 *** telanus1 [~Barney_Er@196-210-244-73.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:29:57 *** Guest2377 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:35:24 *** KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.12.255] has joined #openttd 06:43:41 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 06:49:21 *** kkimlabs [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:50:13 *** KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.12.255] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:52:11 *** telanus [~Barney_Er@196-210-244-73.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 06:53:48 *** KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.12.255] has joined #openttd 06:55:52 *** chlorine [~chlorine@tru75-4-82-227-168-156.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 06:56:28 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 06:56:31 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 06:56:37 <Alberth> moin 06:56:38 <chlorine> Hello 06:58:19 *** telanus2 [~Barney_Er@196-210-244-73.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:58:19 *** kkimlabs [~kkimlabs@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 06:59:13 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db1334f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 07:14:45 <andythenorth> bonjour 07:16:04 *** Firartix [~artixds@207.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 07:26:20 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 07:36:05 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 07:37:41 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:37:52 *** Hazzard [~7b781105@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 07:38:38 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 07:42:21 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 07:44:31 *** NataS is now known as Nat_AFK 07:47:02 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:51:07 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 07:52:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:02:54 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:03:35 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:04:08 <andythenorth> would it be acceptable to decouple BANDIT newgrf compile from BANDIT graphics generation? 08:04:33 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 08:05:08 <andythenorth> currently, the requirement to generate the graphics at compile time is blocking any progress on the set 08:07:51 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-168-27.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:09:36 *** mal2__ [~mal2@port-92-206-82-241.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:13:05 * FLHerne fails to see why generating graphics at compile time would be necessary or useful 08:13:56 <FLHerne> Surely you'd just end up generating lots of unchanged graphics anyway, or do you have a fancy script to stop it doing that? 08:15:27 <Alberth> andythenorth: what would you gain if you have a separate generation step? 08:15:36 <Alberth> moin LordAro 08:15:45 <LordAro> hai Alberth :) 08:16:43 <LordAro> you'll be pleased to know that i'm currently trying to reproduce a segfault in freerct 08:17:16 <Alberth> :) 08:17:50 <Alberth> if you're bored, issue 5 looks like one for you :) 08:18:52 <LordAro> i shall have a look - i think i've re-setup my dev environment again :) 08:18:58 <LordAro> (i changed my OS again :) ) 08:19:16 <LordAro> shall i append the segfault to issue 4? 08:21:37 <Alberth> depends on the cause 08:22:35 <Alberth> if you are sure is related to not loading RCD files, sure, else make a new issue (merging is always possible ;) ) 08:22:46 *** HootzMcToke [~quassel@d50-92-68-219.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:22:48 <LordAro> i'll make a new one 08:23:07 <Alberth> thanks 08:23:19 <LordAro> nice youtube username btw ;) 08:23:21 <andythenorth> Alberth: the generation fails on the compile farm 08:23:41 <Alberth> andythenorth: I know, but how does a separate step solve that? 08:24:21 <Alberth> LordAro: there are suprisingly many free user names available when you type randomly on the keyboard :) 08:24:35 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-113-159.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 08:25:04 <LordAro> You should get an 'official' account, for videos like that 08:26:18 <Alberth> right, just like my gmail name :) 08:27:30 <LordAro> :P 08:27:42 <LordAro> issue is submitted, btw 08:30:49 *** Hazzard [~7b781105@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:31:33 <Alberth> LordAro: still have the core dump (or the debug session? 08:31:49 <Alberth> type 'bt' (backtrace) to get a full stack dump 08:33:36 <Alberth> Hmm, the program needs a 'save', 'load', and a 'pause' button :p 08:34:20 <LordAro> ....i'll reproduce :) 08:36:28 <Alberth> do you have a rcd/people_animation.rcd file? 08:37:21 <LordAro> i'm at r363, so i would assume so 08:37:39 <LordAro> however, i don't :) 08:37:58 <Alberth> it's generated with 'make rcd' 08:38:18 <LordAro> that may well be why it's segfaulting :) 08:38:34 <Alberth> yeah, I am trying that atm 08:39:13 <LordAro> i expected 'make' to update both :) 08:39:29 <LordAro> yeah, there's guests now 08:40:05 *** strontium [d4ee5e43@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:40:28 <Alberth> I agree, make needs to work better 08:41:03 <strontium> moin y'all 08:42:28 <strontium> eham is quite boring when one has to wait quite long ;) 08:42:29 <Alberth> moin 08:42:29 <LordAro> morning person-who-is-trying-to-one-up-rubidium :) 08:43:30 <Alberth> yeah, I was wondering whether it is safe to have them together 08:44:18 <strontium> rather person-who-only-has-http-internet 08:44:56 <LordAro> Alberth: guests can escape the path when going on up-paths 08:45:01 <strontium> h2o and rb do not mingle nicely 08:45:59 <andythenorth> Alberth: the graphics generation could be treated as equivalent to drawing graphics 08:46:04 <Alberth> LordAro: heh, I have not tested that at all :) 08:46:05 <andythenorth> and the results could be committed to the repo as png 08:46:17 <andythenorth> then nobody else needs the generator, inc. compile farm 08:46:56 <Alberth> andythenorth: but how does that fix the generation step? you still need the magic filenames at some point, no? 08:47:12 <andythenorth> that works fine 08:47:32 <Alberth> interesting :) how does that happen 08:47:40 <andythenorth> can't remember 08:48:01 <andythenorth> it all works locally 08:48:09 <andythenorth> but not on the CF 08:48:12 <strontium> i will probably time out in a bit when free internet runs out 08:48:46 <Alberth> strontium: :( 08:48:47 <andythenorth> I can't debug the cf, I only have error messages 08:48:54 <andythenorth> so I can't fix it 08:49:07 <andythenorth> so BANDIT is stuck :) 08:50:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B29E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:50:28 <strontium> and i seriously hope my next internet connection is near yyc 08:51:02 <Alberth> andythenorth: I need to get it to run, then I can have a look 08:51:39 <andythenorth> k 08:52:08 <strontium> andy: ammler wanted help with the server, so that might be a way in (iirc) 08:54:58 <strontium> see you at the other side! 08:56:07 *** strontium [d4ee5e43@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 08:58:49 <andythenorth> Alberth: I'm afk for about 2 hrs 08:58:50 <andythenorth> bbl 08:59:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:01:32 <LordAro> brb, restarting 09:02:25 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-017-188.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 09:03:24 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-168-27.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:04:16 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-168-27.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:05:27 <planetmaker> oh, strontium was here 09:06:12 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has joined #openttd 09:06:30 <Wolf01> hello 09:08:49 <Alberth> hello Wolf01, planetmaker 09:23:54 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@p54834911.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:27:28 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.94] has joined #openttd 09:27:57 *** Hazzard [~7b7819aa@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 09:33:34 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5ba0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:54:44 <planetmaker> hi Alberth , frosch123 :-) 09:58:47 <Ammler> devzone should be up 09:59:04 <Ammler> bundles will need more time, me eating first 09:59:13 *** chlorine [~chlorine@tru75-4-82-227-168-156.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:59:33 *** Hazzard [~7b7819aa@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:08:51 *** Hazzard [~7b7819aa@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 10:16:47 <Terkhen> hello :) 10:16:51 *** Hazzard [~7b7819aa@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:19:13 <Wolf01> hello Terkhen 10:41:23 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@p54834911.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:52:05 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has joined #openttd 10:59:25 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@p54834911.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:09:22 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-129-120-89.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:11:27 <andythenorth> Alberth: hi hi, did you try BANDIT compile yet? :) 11:12:01 <Alberth> not yet, I am afraid 11:15:35 * andythenorth has been thinking about FIRS farms more 11:15:49 <planetmaker> what about them? 11:16:04 <andythenorth> been playing a game, they still don't work for me 11:16:23 <andythenorth> partly I should go back and fix the clustering 11:16:38 <planetmaker> btw, the clustering was ported to NML... might be buggy, but I remember also testing it at some stage 11:16:45 <andythenorth> it misses some things 11:16:57 <andythenorth> it's fine, stuff got missed, it can be fixed 11:17:07 <andythenorth> ;) 11:17:22 <planetmaker> :-) what is it missing? 11:17:29 <andythenorth> map scaling 11:17:47 <andythenorth> I'd need to read the nfo to see if anything else is MIA 11:19:55 <planetmaker> isn't the better approach to go and look at the existing code to see what might be missing? 11:21:19 <andythenorth> I'm not sure what's supposed to be there 11:21:33 <andythenorth> all I remember is the weekend I spent generating maps to test cluster ;) 11:21:39 <andythenorth> not the actual code that solved it 11:21:51 * andythenorth used to have weekends 11:22:16 <planetmaker> he 11:24:51 <Terkhen> :P 11:27:43 <andythenorth> Yexo: hi hi, got a CHIPS nfo question if you have any time 11:28:27 <andythenorth> it's a 4-line question, so I won't just ask :P 11:29:03 <frosch123> @seen yexo 11:29:03 <DorpsGek> frosch123: yexo was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 6 days, 14 hours, 51 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <Yexo> hey Alberth 11:29:15 <Alberth> hi frosch123 11:29:26 <frosch123> sorry albert :) 11:30:04 <Zuu> Alberth + LordAro: So you make FreeRCT from scratch? Eg. there is no RCT code that has been opened up for open source? 11:30:37 <Alberth> Zuu: try #freerct :p 11:30:42 <LordAro> :D 11:30:55 <Zuu> :-) 11:37:30 <andythenorth> drawing a good copy of the concrete tile from original ttd is hard 11:37:45 * andythenorth may not have sufficient attention span 11:37:47 <Terkhen> ask them to change the original tile license 11:37:51 <andythenorth> :P 11:37:52 <Terkhen> might be simpler :) 11:38:11 * andythenorth is tempted towards a GPL infringement :P 11:38:43 <andythenorth> I have been pretty scrupulous about not stealing original graphics so far :| 11:39:03 <Terkhen> and that has been a great idea IMO :) 11:42:23 <Terkhen> bbl 11:45:36 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:03:17 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-13-75.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 12:08:48 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-107-21.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:19:32 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-242-172.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:20:59 <andythenorth> what would cause a reference to a base set tile to fail in a station action 0 layout? 12:21:20 <andythenorth> I am trying to use tile 1420, which works in one context, but not another 12:22:07 <frosch123> you forgot bit 31 12:22:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-129-120-89.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:22:19 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-129-120-89.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:22:30 <frosch123> you forgot bit 31, it's inverted compared to industry tiles 12:25:16 <andythenorth> hmm 12:25:21 <andythenorth> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1452/ 12:25:33 <andythenorth> the second action 0 is pre-existing and works fine 12:25:38 <andythenorth> the first one is new and fails 12:26:10 <andythenorth> is bit 31 is set for second case? I can't see it 12:33:25 <andythenorth> hmm 12:33:37 <andythenorth> it appears to be taking sprites from the newgrf, not the base set 12:33:47 <andythenorth> perhaps I need to know what GRM is 12:36:05 <frosch123> nope 12:36:27 <frosch123> i think the only usecase left for grm is vehicle recolouring 12:37:44 <andythenorth> it's used in CHIPS 12:37:53 <andythenorth> for the tile I am having trouble with 12:38:36 <frosch123> i do not see any problem 12:38:57 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/chips/repository/entry/sprites/nfo/templates/simple_empty_tile_1.tnfo 12:38:59 <frosch123> is your cb 14 correct? 12:39:12 <andythenorth> ^^ is the template for this tile 12:39:40 <andythenorth> I have THIS_GROUND as \d1420 12:39:54 <andythenorth> but the value is being shifted somehow 12:40:32 <andythenorth> it is \d1420 in the compiled nfo, so it's not a CPP issue 12:40:52 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:41:23 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 12:42:35 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-017-188.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 12:42:36 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@p54834911.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:43:33 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@p54834911.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:49:56 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@p548345B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 12:52:10 <Alberth> andythenorth: what 'make' command should work? 12:52:11 <Alberth> trunk seems to break on not having PageTemplateLoader 12:52:28 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-90-14.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:54:02 <Alberth> andythenorth: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1453/ 12:56:10 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@p54834911.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:57:45 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 13:04:08 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07:21 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@p548345B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:07:28 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@p548345B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:16:37 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@p3E9D2F65.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:22:58 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@p548345B5.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:45:08 *** Firartix [~artixds@207.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:02:12 *** Firartix [~artixds@207.140.0.93.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 14:05:15 *** Knogle [~knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:06:18 *** Knogle [~knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 14:10:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A1BD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:10:36 <andythenorth> Alberth: do you have Chameleon? 14:11:12 <Alberth> yep, afaik 14:13:56 <Alberth> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1454/ andythenorth 14:14:43 <andythenorth> can you get the chameleon version 14:15:04 <andythenorth> frosch had similar issue iirc, older chameleon supplied by package manager 14:15:30 <andythenorth> I can't currently test either, I had to install python 2.4 for work purposes 14:15:58 <Eddi|zuHause> you can have multiple python versions installed 14:16:13 <andythenorth> I know, I just have to persuade macports to switch version 14:16:20 <andythenorth> I'm looking up the command :P 14:16:49 <Eddi|zuHause> if you have multiple python versions installed, just call python24 <file> or python27 <file> 14:16:59 <andythenorth> so I'm told :P 14:17:00 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.174.43] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:17:02 <Eddi|zuHause> no need to "switch" anything 14:17:19 <Alberth> zpt/template.py version = 3 14:17:19 <Alberth> core/template.py version = 8 14:17:31 <andythenorth> good luck with 'python26 make' 14:17:51 <andythenorth> or python26 start_my_big_web_framework.sh 14:18:31 <Alberth> you shouldn't .sh for .py files :) 14:18:32 <planetmaker> add a variable to those where you can path the python binary 14:18:39 <Eddi|zuHause> "alias python=python24" 14:18:53 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: only works for the current shell 14:19:02 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 14:19:03 <andythenorth> all of this sounds nice, but is wonderfully impractical 14:20:03 <andythenorth> when you want to run production web frameworks made up of 200k python and C files, you don't do it this way 14:20:08 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not "impractical" if you need it often enough 14:20:50 <andythenorth> well let me put it another way 14:20:56 *** hackalittlebit [57c49a09@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:20:57 <Eddi|zuHause> or: you run these frameworks in a virtual machine 14:21:04 <andythenorth> next time I'll do what your supposed to do, and use a virtualenv 14:21:08 <andythenorth> you're /s 14:21:21 <andythenorth> then the issue would be a non-issue :P 14:21:46 <andythenorth> the failing is mine 14:22:15 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has joined #openttd 14:22:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-129-120-89.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:22:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-129-120-89.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:23:12 <andythenorth> this ISP is ridiculously poor 14:23:15 <andythenorth> never get BT 14:26:07 <andythenorth> hmm 14:26:08 <LordAro> mine is fine :P 14:26:11 <andythenorth> also my python is fucked 14:26:25 *** telanus1 [~Barney_Er@196-210-244-73.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 14:26:51 <andythenorth> setuptools has disappeared for all versions 14:27:05 <andythenorth> Chameleon is installed for one version, but that version can't see it 14:27:16 * andythenorth was having a nap. Perhaps going back to sleep will cure this 14:27:28 * andythenorth hates daytime naps, they are confusing 14:27:44 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-129-120-89.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 14:29:34 <hackalittlebit> hello, anybody willing to help me pls. I am totally puzzled why TrainCheckIfLineEnds proc is called twice every tick (except slowing down). It was introduced second time in r1198 14:30:46 <hackalittlebit> to me it looks as if truebrain forgot to eliminate the one in TrainLocoHandler 14:32:33 <hackalittlebit> to me it looks as a lot of overhead. 14:32:40 *** telanus [~Barney_Er@196-210-244-73.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:33:01 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-129-120-89.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:34:00 <hackalittlebit> sorry slowing down I mean handeling broken down veh 14:38:32 <hackalittlebit> taking it out will affect handling of broken down vehicles 14:39:33 <Eddi|zuHause> why do broken down trains need to care about end of line? 14:42:16 <andythenorth> Alberth: I have chameleon 2.8.0 14:43:00 <hackalittlebit> eddi forget about the broken down veh for now, TrainCheckIfLineEnds is called twice and the question is why? 14:43:18 <andythenorth> I also have a non-compiling BANDIT right now, but meh 14:43:18 <hackalittlebit> I don't get it 14:44:35 <hackalittlebit> first time called in TrainLocoHandler second time in TrainController 14:44:54 <Alberth> I have python-chameleon-1.2.12-5.fc15.noarch and chameleon-0.2-3.fc15.noarch, it seems 14:45:20 <andythenorth> did you get them with your package manager? 14:45:36 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:47:18 <andythenorth> Alberth: what does 'easy_install Chameleon' get you? 14:50:10 <Alberth> easy install trying to be smart, must fix that first :p 14:53:35 <andythenorth> did anyone mention the state of python packaging recently? :P 14:54:35 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 14:56:05 <Alberth> find a properly working cross-OS solution, and we talk again :p 14:56:44 <andythenorth> apparently distribute solves all this 14:57:36 <andythenorth> http://jacobian.org/writing/nobody-expects-python-packaging/ 14:58:48 <Alberth> did anyone mention the ambiguity around chameleons recently??? :D https://fedorahosted.org/chameleon/ 14:59:21 <andythenorth> http://chameleon.repoze.org/docs/latest/index.html :P 15:00:40 <Alberth> he, it's removing python-pyramid-1.0-1.fc16.noarch too?? 15:02:10 <andythenorth> maybe 15:02:21 <andythenorth> setuptools is a mysterious beast 15:02:39 <andythenorth> Chameleon is the default templater for pyramid, written by same team 15:04:13 <hackalittlebit> Eddi: Should I report the above question in FS? to give more time to investigate? 15:04:45 <Alberth> hackalittlebit: it is very possible nobody knows 15:05:06 <hackalittlebit> Agreed 15:05:50 <hackalittlebit> truebrain made the change. 15:05:59 <Alberth> asking questions in FS does not seem the right way to me 15:06:08 <hackalittlebit> agreed 15:06:27 <Alberth> and he likely does not know any more 15:06:29 <hackalittlebit> so I will wait :) 15:06:33 <TrueBrain> hackalittlebit: 7 years ago; so what Alberth says still holds :) 15:06:47 <TrueBrain> like asking what you had for breakfast 7 years ago 15:07:00 <hackalittlebit> :) 15:07:00 * andythenorth doesn't remember what he did this morning :P 15:07:09 <hackalittlebit> :P 15:07:17 <Alberth> hackalittlebit: I don't know all the ins and outs of the GUI system any more and that was only a few years back 15:07:47 <hackalittlebit> ok I will investigate more and submit patch 15:08:02 <Alberth> sounds like a good plan to me 15:08:42 <Alberth> andythenorth: ok, it gave me 2.9.1 15:09:01 <andythenorth> if I add 'hotel' station tile to CHIPS is that confusing wrt 'hotel' industry in FIrS? 15:09:06 <andythenorth> Alberth: sounds better 15:09:06 * Alberth makes again :) 15:09:10 <Knogle> Hm, you can't make diamonds a cargogoal in a sub tropic game :/ 15:09:21 <andythenorth> Alberth: you'll still get errors, but they should match mine 15:09:55 <planetmaker> andythenorth: there are also 'hotel' houses iirc. It's IMHO clear that it's a difference, so go ahead 15:10:10 <andythenorth> 'Station hotel' ? 15:10:11 <Alberth> andythenorth: "ImportError: No module named pixa" ?? :) 15:10:19 <andythenorth> Alberth: you can solve that one :P 15:10:27 *** hackalittlebit [57c49a09@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:11:40 <Alberth> so what should I rename to pixa? 15:12:21 <Alberth> and why doesn't the repo have that? :) 15:12:34 <andythenorth> why doesn't the BANDIT repo have it? 15:13:20 <Alberth> doh! 15:14:02 <andythenorth> incidentally I would much rather provide a buildout that handles all this deps crap 15:14:08 <andythenorth> but I don't know how to write a buildout from scratch 15:16:42 <Alberth> better stay as far as possible away from all build and dependency mess imho, it's way to complicated 15:17:26 <Alberth> ok, I seem to have something along the lines of what the CF does currently 15:19:35 <Alberth> how do you get it to work now? 15:20:50 <andythenorth> I run make in repo root 15:20:54 <andythenorth> and then get failures :P 15:21:56 <andythenorth> as long as you're error is something like 15:21:57 <andythenorth> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `src/pixel_generator/output/trailer-0_2-body_flat-cc1-7_8-cargo_coils-white.png', needed by `bandit.grf'. 15:22:01 <andythenorth> then we're at the same place 15:23:22 <Alberth> you guessed the error exactly right :p 15:23:35 <andythenorth> k 15:23:39 <andythenorth> I'll fix that in a bit 15:23:49 <andythenorth> I had it working before, this is most likely a silly minor issue 15:23:56 * andythenorth is drawing CHIPS right now 15:26:03 <Alberth> k, will have some dinner then 15:28:10 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@p3E9D2F65.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:29:11 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@p3E9D2F65.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:35:35 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.95.45] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:43:06 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.english-for-railaways.de/albums/userpics/10001/DSC_9328_189-802c.jpg <-- why does this engine have 4 different numbering schemes written on it? 15:44:45 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.94.167] has joined #openttd 15:45:07 <telanus1> could be a nubering scheme for each country it travels thru? 15:45:15 <telanus1> numbering* 15:47:06 <andythenorth> also 'railaways' ? 15:47:36 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: that's a meta-joke :) 15:48:10 <andythenorth> I see 15:48:13 <andythenorth> or not :P 15:48:33 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: there's a famous german comedian who had a joke where he translated "Englisch fÃŒr fortgeschrittene" [english for advanced] as "English for runaways" 15:48:56 <andythenorth> in soviet russia, jokes translate you 15:55:45 <andythenorth> new CHIPS 15:57:04 <andythenorth> would anyone build it to confirm I didn't screw up? 15:57:04 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: it won't be funny if you don't know german very well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4bnk8c29qw 15:57:26 <andythenorth> my German is not good :) 15:57:52 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/chips/repository 15:58:06 <andythenorth> requires nfo tools only 16:00:53 <andythenorth> or I just release :P 16:01:10 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-152-250-188.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:01:19 * telanus1 wonders if this colour scheme would work in openTTD: http://www.themukiwa.com/images/metrorail_800x600.jpg 16:02:49 <andythenorth> should do 16:04:15 <andythenorth> only 3 open tickets for CHIPS 16:04:23 <andythenorth> yay 16:04:26 <Chris_Booth> ooh I like Chips they are tasty 16:05:14 <andythenorth> you could still be in the 1st 10 downloaders in that case ;) 16:16:41 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-017-188.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 16:17:37 <Eddi|zuHause> telanus1: why do they put a pole in the middle of the rail? kinda defeats the point, i suppose 16:19:48 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: does that rail look like it's missing clips? 16:20:04 <andythenorth> it has baseplates, but no spring clips afaict 16:20:31 <Eddi|zuHause> a bit hard to decipher on this resolution 16:20:47 <andythenorth> put your eye closer to the screen ;) 16:21:04 <andythenorth> I suppose next I should make this BANDIT thingy work 16:21:10 <Eddi|zuHause> but yes, it looks "better" on the rails behind the train 16:26:08 <telanus1> Eddi|zuHause: They plant poles to "stop" trains from running ot the track 16:26:56 <telanus1> our "very clever" transnet "gurus" think the trains won't use it, it if there is poles in the way 16:27:04 <Eddi|zuHause> if obelix ever visited, he'd say "they are silly, these south africans" :p 16:27:13 <telanus1> :D 16:27:15 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:34a8:8ed8:238c:1e7a] has joined #openttd 16:27:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:28:40 <FLHerne> How long do recessions last? Wiki doesn't say. 16:28:47 <FLHerne> Is it randomisedish? 16:28:53 <Eddi|zuHause> a year-ish, i think 16:29:34 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-129-120-89.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:29:59 <FLHerne> Thanks 16:30:15 <FLHerne> My entire network just collapsed because of one :-( 16:30:29 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-129-120-89.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:30:34 <Eddi|zuHause> play with stable economy :) 16:33:01 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest2424 16:33:02 *** Guest2424 [~Andy@host86-129-120-89.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:33:02 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-129-120-89.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:34:46 <FLHerne> I have been, I decided to see what it did 16:35:10 <FLHerne> But then I got backlogs of trains waiting to load, and then those obstructed other trains... 16:35:28 <Zuu> Knogle: Only if a NewGRF makes it so that Diamonds provide a town effect. But year you are right. 16:35:44 <FLHerne> Eventually I ended up with a 150-train jam, all of which were waiting for each other :-( 16:37:46 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-49-99.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 16:40:50 <Firartix> Facepolm 16:43:00 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-70-233.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:47:29 * frosch123 wonders what he is doing 16:47:53 <frosch123> i fail to install a c++ compiler in wheezy 16:47:54 <Alberth> nothing of everything? 16:48:11 <frosch123> maybe i first need to install a proper package manager 16:48:23 <Alberth> that helps :) 16:48:33 <frosch123> the default one seems to be quite a backstep from the squeeze one 16:48:53 <Knogle> Zuu: ew :P 16:49:04 <frosch123> ok, let's try with restarting it 16:49:38 <Zuu> Knogle: s/But year/But yea/ 16:49:50 <Knogle> gotcha 16:55:40 <frosch123> yeah, installing a different package manager did the trick :) 16:56:12 <Alberth> :) 16:56:30 <frosch123> wow, it's even faster 16:56:42 <frosch123> i blamed the vm for being slow before 16:57:00 <frosch123> but apparently the default package manager is crap in every aspect 16:58:40 <Alberth> could be, I have seen such software take forever, while a different implementation is ready in seconds 17:01:32 <andythenorth> farms farms farms 17:02:11 <andythenorth> why do they suck so much? 17:02:11 <Alberth> as long as they manage packages, it should be fine 17:03:21 <andythenorth> maybe farm supplies is a silly idea 17:04:00 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:04:44 <FLHerne> What's wrong with farm supplies? 17:04:56 * FLHerne is shipping hundreds of them about the place 17:05:07 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: farms are fine. 17:05:27 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: just implement the "stockpiling" of supplies 17:05:48 <andythenorth> problems I have: 17:06:11 <andythenorth> - I never use Fertiliser Plant (never appears in my games) 17:06:11 <andythenorth> - I never use Sugar Mill 17:06:11 <andythenorth> - farms end up surrounded by infrastructure 17:06:36 <FLHerne> Autorefit makes them much easier to deal with, because I can send the supplies back by the livestock/grain/beet etc trains 17:06:36 <frosch123> the latter is completely fine for a transport game 17:06:52 <FLHerne> That removes the need for megainfrastructure 17:07:05 <FLHerne> A bit of stockpiling would be nice though 17:07:47 <andythenorth> - farm production is annoyingly low 17:07:47 <andythenorth> - building infrastructure for farms is annoyingly tedious 17:08:51 <andythenorth> I might be able to collapse some of those issues if a good idea can be found :P 17:09:24 <FLHerne> High clustering on map generation fixes both of those :D 17:09:33 <FLHerne> Just use a few trams into a hub 17:09:57 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: if the supplies are stored properly, and the distribuiton is less of an issue, production grows rather fast 17:12:17 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@p3E9D2F65.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:12:30 <FLHerne> The sole problem with supplies is the 'every month' bit. Some level of averaging would make them perfect :D 17:16:32 *** dfox [~dfox@89.177.105.49] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:17:22 *** dfox [~dfox@89.177.105.49] has joined #openttd 17:18:13 <Eddi|zuHause> exactly 17:19:47 <andythenorth> autorefit somewhat relies on supplies being available at the location of the secondary industry 17:20:11 <Eddi|zuHause> that is no problem with cargodist 17:20:17 <Eddi|zuHause> or other transfers 17:20:40 <andythenorth> autorefit is also limited as large vehicles will lift all available supplies 17:20:54 <andythenorth> e.g. in my current game I have 300t wood trains which refit to supplies 17:21:06 <andythenorth> they lift all available supplies in one pass :P 17:21:33 <Eddi|zuHause> make a manual refit, and limit it to one wagon? 17:21:40 <andythenorth> can't do that 17:21:42 *** Nat_AFK is now known as NataS 17:21:46 <andythenorth> autorefit is all or nothing 17:22:24 * andythenorth checks that assertion 17:27:53 <andythenorth> yup, all or nothing 17:28:08 <andythenorth> the same gui appears as for partial refit, with no visual hints that it works differently btw 17:28:50 <andythenorth> I assume partial auto-refit is very hard? Has to deal with possible change of consist? 17:30:31 <FLHerne> Cargodist is the answer to all such problems. How come it hasn't been trunked yet? :-( 17:30:50 <andythenorth> because YACD is the answer instead 17:30:53 <andythenorth> :P 17:31:00 <FLHerne> I've been using it for a year or two now, and I've seen no major bugs/slowdowns 17:31:31 <andythenorth> is it fun? 17:31:42 <FLHerne> YACD is annoying. I want choose where my network goes, not have it dictated by my computer :P 17:31:49 <FLHerne> CDist is, yes 17:31:56 <andythenorth> I am exactly the opposite 17:32:04 <andythenorth> choosing where to route things is a very boring game 17:32:14 <FLHerne> It makes tiny branchlines profitable, for one thing 17:32:48 <FLHerne> "choosing where to route things is a very boring game" Eh? That [i]is[/i] the game, for me :D 17:32:53 <andythenorth> iirc fonso did show a proof of concept of YACDist 17:34:41 <andythenorth> maybe I should make secondary industries for farm cargos locate near to farms 17:35:13 <frosch123> how to install pixa? 17:36:05 <andythenorth> frosch123: have you downloaded it? 17:36:11 <frosch123> i have a checkout 17:37:06 <andythenorth> (iirc): python setup.py install 17:37:08 <andythenorth> let me check 17:37:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r24320 /trunk/src/lang/ (5 files): 17:37:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:37:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: belarusian - 3 changes by Wowanxm 17:37:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: german - 7 changes by Jogio, planetmaker 17:37:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: latvian - 1 changes by Parastais 17:37:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: lithuanian - 53 changes by RunisLabs 17:37:21 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: swedish - 4 changes by Joel_A 17:37:37 <frosch123> ok, that needs root (kinda obvious) 17:37:41 <andythenorth> yes 17:37:44 <andythenorth> I hate that it needs root 17:37:50 <frosch123> do i have to install it, to be able to compile bandit? 17:37:56 <andythenorth> yes 17:38:00 <andythenorth> I refused to install nml for weeks because it required root 17:38:09 <Alberth> ? 17:38:19 <frosch123> i never had to install nml 17:38:29 <andythenorth> you have to install PIL though 17:38:31 <frosch123> just made a link to nmlc in /usr/local/bin 17:38:41 <andythenorth> PIL installs to sitewide packages which requires root 17:38:42 <frosch123> pil is a standard library 17:38:56 * andythenorth is irrationally paranoid 17:39:12 <andythenorth> anyway, yes you need pixa for BANDIT 17:39:15 <Alberth> frosch123: I just added the directory with 'pixa' to the PYTHONPATH 17:39:16 <andythenorth> it won't actually compile yet 17:39:24 <andythenorth> hopefully you get the same error as me 17:39:49 <frosch123> Alberth: shall i just define that as an environtment variable? 17:40:02 <Alberth> yes 17:40:22 <andythenorth> I should learn buildout 17:40:27 <andythenorth> then this would all go away 17:40:46 <frosch123> ah, that seems to work 17:40:48 <andythenorth> (one-time) "easy_install bootstrap.py" 17:40:52 <Alberth> the env var PYTHONPATH is used by Python as a sequences of root directories to look for further installed modules/packages 17:40:54 <andythenorth> then "bin/buildout" 17:40:58 <andythenorth> would be easy 17:42:31 <andythenorth> could fetch PIL, Chameleon, pixa, etc, maybe even nml 17:43:02 <andythenorth> another day :P 17:45:02 <frosch123> now i miss intermediates/cargo_coils-white-7_8.png 17:45:57 <frosch123> hmm, though it said just before that it would create it 17:47:42 <andythenorth> that's good 17:47:45 <andythenorth> same error 17:47:56 <andythenorth> I'll try fixing it once I've bathed the toddler 17:48:05 <andythenorth> likely just a configuration issue 17:48:19 <andythenorth> feel free to try for yourselves if you like ;) 17:48:39 <andythenorth> so farms 17:48:44 <andythenorth> - mostly leave alone 17:48:53 <andythenorth> - change supplies behaviour 17:49:08 <andythenorth> - clustering is crappy on smaller maps, doesn't work 17:49:13 <andythenorth> - fix clustering 17:49:25 <andythenorth> - make more vehicle sets that can auto-refit 17:49:29 <andythenorth> is my plan :P 17:50:52 <andythenorth> don't auto-refit with HEQS btw, it's explodey 17:53:14 <FLHerne> Perhaps separate vehicles for short/medium/long would cause less refitting bugs? 17:53:31 <FLHerne> Also confuse AIs less... :P 17:53:47 <andythenorth> perhaps 17:53:52 <andythenorth> ask the crowd here 17:54:25 <andythenorth> I don't really care; 'buy menu spam' ~= 'refitting is annoying' 17:54:41 <andythenorth> I could change it when I recode HEQS 17:54:58 <FLHerne> parameter? :-) 17:55:08 <andythenorth> no, make choices 17:55:18 <andythenorth> parameters are the hobgoblin of tiny minds 17:56:10 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56:51 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 18:15:15 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-139.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:24:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-129-120-89.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:25:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-129-120-89.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:26:13 <andythenorth> Alberth frosch123: pull BANDIT 18:26:28 <andythenorth> cargo graphic generation was commented out 18:27:23 <Alberth> :) 18:28:54 <andythenorth> I should try converting it to planetmaker's new makefile 18:29:47 <frosch123> it spams quite a lot of info to the console, but it builds :) 18:30:10 <andythenorth> 'spams' :) 18:30:16 <andythenorth> useful debug output :P 18:30:18 <andythenorth> perhaps not 18:30:37 <andythenorth> I'll suppress some of that now 18:36:14 <andythenorth> done 18:37:42 <andythenorth> if you want to build it much faster than nml, use makebandit.sh 18:40:24 <andythenorth> ~19s vs ~54s 18:48:09 <andythenorth> ho 18:48:25 <andythenorth> makebandit.sh will try and install the grf to my computer btw :m 18:50:53 <frosch123> he, most trucks are blinking :o 18:56:07 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:06:31 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 19:06:31 *** George is now known as Guest2437 19:06:31 *** George|2 is now known as George 19:06:44 *** Guest2437 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:10:36 *** Chris_Booth is now known as Guest2438 19:10:42 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-152-250-188.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:11:50 *** Guest2438 [~chatzilla@host81-152-250-188.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:36:00 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 19:43:47 <Alberth> it's a very flashy set :) 19:44:45 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-139.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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21:27:25 <Sacro> not on the website? 21:29:12 <glx> seems dead for me 21:30:18 <xQR> website is down 21:30:21 <xQR> that's why i am asking 21:31:17 <xQR> 504 Gateway Time-out 21:33:11 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 21:42:35 <LordAro> Truebrain's broken stuff again 21:44:05 <Zuu> Try http://binaries.openttd.org/ if you just want to get your binary. 21:44:57 <Zuu> In the 'releases' folder you'll find 1.2.1 21:49:34 <Eddi|zuHause> <frosch123> just made a link to nmlc in /usr/local/bin <- i use ~/bin for such things 21:51:15 <xQR> thx Zuu 21:55:23 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 22:02:00 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db1334f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us] 22:13:55 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 22:13:55 *** George is now known as Guest2464 22:13:55 *** George|2 is now known as George 22:16:07 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 22:19:38 *** Guest2464 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:21:04 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-139.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 22:36:01 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Popidopidopido] 22:39:09 <LordAro> night all 22:48:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B29E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:53:00 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-152-250-188.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:54:56 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc3-linl7-2-0-cust522.sgyl.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 23:06:14 *** mal2__ [~mal2@port-92-206-82-241.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:16:05 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:35:29 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-168-27.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:51:27 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 23:58:24 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]