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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 07:30:13 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@201.47.28.241.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:36:17 <Wonszcz> On multi I accidently screwed up someone's train that was 20 squares long and was full of oil. 07:36:44 <Wonszcz> I will die, 07:37:18 <szaman> someone will choke you 07:37:35 <Wonszcz> God damn it, you cannot choke a snake. 07:37:40 <Wonszcz> At least not to death. 07:38:20 <Wonszcz> It can only spit. 07:38:30 <szaman> wolf carried many times, they carried him once 07:38:31 <szaman> :P 07:39:22 <Wonszcz> szaman, I curse you. 07:39:34 <szaman> do you feel train to me? :] 07:39:40 <Wonszcz> No. 07:39:51 <Wonszcz> I will kill you using a bloody altar. 07:40:27 <NGC3982> :( 07:40:29 <Wonszcz> I have a sacrifical knife. 07:40:38 <Wonszcz> Also a lamb. 07:40:45 <Wonszcz> Because little babies are too mainstream. 07:42:24 <Wonszcz> I mean. 07:42:31 <Wonszcz> If I would keep making baby sacrifices. 07:42:39 <Wonszcz> Then the human population would greatly decrease. 07:43:16 <Wonszcz> szaman. 07:43:24 <Wonszcz> I will use you as the sacrifice. 07:44:22 <Wonszcz> Okay I died. 07:44:30 <Wonszcz> A giant 20 square train has ran over me. 07:45:43 <NGC3982> :3 07:45:51 <Wonszcz> Stop smiling. 07:49:28 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@supporter.blinkenshell.org] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.6] 07:52:53 *** Wonszcz is now known as Guest1265 07:52:59 *** Wonszcz [~Wonszcz@77-253-30-45.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #openttd 07:53:02 <Wonszcz> Damn. 07:54:24 <Wonszcz> My computer apparently loves white text on BSOD 07:55:44 *** Guest1265 [~Wonszcz@77-253-30-45.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:58:36 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:08:33 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 08:14:16 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@d172-218-25-105.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:17:26 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:22:59 <szaman> Wonszcz: sorry, switch hanged 08:24:41 <szaman> Wonszcz: population would greatly decrease because of GMO 08:24:49 <szaman> would/will 08:25:50 <NGC3982> eh, wat. 08:40:01 <Terkhen> good morning 08:41:06 <NGC3982> morning TH 08:52:29 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.129.183] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:54:22 *** cornishpasty_ [users.158@brockwell.irccloud.com] has joined #openttd 08:55:35 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:55:37 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.129.183] has joined #openttd 08:56:12 *** Wakou [~stephen@host86-129-34-31.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:56:45 *** WonszczA [~Wonszcz@77-253-30-45.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #openttd 08:56:59 <Eddi|zuHause> the forum seems awfully slow today 08:57:21 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@noiv.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:57:25 *** jonty-comp 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Belugas] by ChanServ 12:15:45 <Belugas> hello 12:17:01 *** Bad_Brett [~Bad_Brett@90-227-32-82-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 12:18:15 *** Bad_Brett [~Bad_Brett@90-227-32-82-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [] 12:18:53 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:6cfe:403e:ace9:d3a8] has joined #openttd 12:18:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:22:56 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: does it still feel slow? it just started to lag for me.. 12:23:21 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: haven't noticed anything 12:30:43 *** Tvel [~tvel@95.87.193.3] has joined #openttd 12:35:34 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 12:50:04 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 12:53:41 *** plastics [~plastics@c-69-138-42-222.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 13:16:23 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-139.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 13:27:05 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.129.183] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:32:58 *** mal2 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[~KouDy@85.43.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:36:36 <kopoba> hello is there any way to automaticly run alias when i join to server? 15:40:08 <planetmaker> kopoba: if you play on luukland, you play on hacked servers. Please ask for advise there. We cannot support unreleased custom modifications of OpenTTD 15:43:04 *** kkimlabs_ [~kkimlabs@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:43:18 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-048-046.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 15:45:53 <kopoba> planetmaker i play with client that i download from here http://www.openttd.org/en/ its not official? 15:48:22 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has joined #openttd 15:50:35 <planetmaker> kopoba: yes. That's the official client. But the servers are hacked. And OpenTTD does not require anywhere any login. 15:51:31 <planetmaker> Thus the login via the chat function is their hack. 15:51:37 <planetmaker> server-side 15:51:42 <kopoba> ok 15:51:46 *** KouDy [~KouDy@85.43.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has joined #openttd 15:51:58 <kopoba> how to run alias when i join to server? 15:52:12 <planetmaker> ... 15:52:13 <planetmaker> ask them! 15:52:15 <NGC3982> :D 15:52:25 <planetmaker> most likely: there is no way 15:52:27 <kopoba> they are not developers of opttd 15:52:50 <planetmaker> exactly. But their server fakes to be an official OpenTTD version while it is not. 15:52:56 <planetmaker> We cannot support it 15:53:03 <planetmaker> Ask them about their servers 15:53:14 <planetmaker> They have a custom game. Which is not ours. It just claims to be 15:53:15 <kopoba> i dont ask of support server-side 15:54:03 <planetmaker> ... their servers require actions from the client which OpenTTD DOES NOT SUPPORT 15:54:17 <planetmaker> ask them how to do it 15:54:26 <planetmaker> Our clients support normal servers just fine. 15:54:32 <planetmaker> Normal OpenTTD servers require no login. 15:54:42 <planetmaker> Normal OpenTTD does not even know what alias is 15:54:49 <planetmaker> Thus OpenTTD does not support it 15:55:05 <planetmaker> I also don't know what alias is 15:55:14 <planetmaker> or might be 15:55:18 <kopoba> you wrong 15:55:20 <kopoba> planetmaker http://wiki.openttd.org/Console_Aliases 15:55:51 <planetmaker> ehm... you know that that's probably a quite different one? 15:56:14 <kopoba> why? 15:56:15 <kopoba> Create an alias named <name> bound to <command>. 15:57:03 <planetmaker> "You can define aliases ingame or in one of the scripts files" which implies you have ssh to the server 15:57:50 <planetmaker> if you want it in the script file 15:58:08 <kopoba> http://wiki.openttd.org/Scripts 15:58:16 <kopoba> nothing about ssh 15:58:52 <kopoba> i need somthing like this but on join the server 15:58:54 <planetmaker> otherwise use http://wiki.openttd.org/Console_Commands and follow the description... 15:59:06 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@94.13.8.180] has joined #openttd 15:59:07 <planetmaker> the console offers no events 15:59:33 <planetmaker> which "on connect" would imply. You can try to modify your local script... 16:00:09 <kopoba> where can i read more about that scripts 16:00:23 <kopoba> wiki page have too small amount of information 16:01:24 <planetmaker> in the related readme.txt... bin/scripts/readme.txt 16:01:37 <kopoba> ok thanks 16:01:47 <planetmaker> +network scripts: 16:01:47 <planetmaker> should be used to set client optimization settings: 16:01:47 <planetmaker> - 'on_client.scr' is executed when you join a server [all clients] 16:02:25 <planetmaker> so there you might be lucky indeed. And ... I (re-)learnt about those scripts :-P 16:02:38 <planetmaker> I guess I should say thank you :-) 16:04:23 *** kkimlabs_ [~kkimlabs@cpe-69-203-124-125.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:06:33 <kopoba> no problems you are welcome =) 16:07:23 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 16:17:19 *** kkimlabs_ [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 16:33:53 <frosch123> Question of the day: â®?ylreporp txet lanoitceridib troppus tneilc CRI ruoy seoD 16:36:30 <Eddi|zuHause> depends on your definition of "proper" 16:36:47 <frosch123> well, can you select my line properly? 16:37:37 <Rawh_> Copy/paste is no issue there 16:37:42 *** Rawh_ is now known as Rawh 16:37:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i have trouble selecting the D if i don't want to select the start of the next line 16:39:17 <frosch123> my texteditor can not handle it 16:39:38 <frosch123> the text is shown correctly, but i cannot select anything, nor position the cursor 16:39:44 <Eddi|zuHause> if i start at the Q i select until :, and then it starts at the ? and goes backwards 16:40:01 <frosch123> that's how it should be :) 16:40:13 <Eddi|zuHause> if i paste that in the textbox, then i can edit it/move the cursor the same way 16:41:15 <Eddi|zuHause> so, except for the minor annoyance of selecting the "end" of the line, i'd answer with "yes" then 16:41:18 <Rawh> I can just doubleclick any sentence and it copies it all, regardless of what is on the line 16:41:29 <Rawh> 18:51 < Rawh> I can just doubleclick any sentence and it copies it all, regardless of what is on the line 16:41:36 <Rawh> Irssi is nice :) 16:42:09 *** plastics [~plastics@c-69-138-42-222.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:42:37 <Eddi|zuHause> Rawh: sure, doubleclick selects a word and tripleclick the line. but that wasn't really the point 16:42:42 <frosch123> Rawh: selecting the whole line is boring :) 16:42:51 <Rawh> Works for me :) 16:43:10 <Rawh> Eddi|zuHause: just as easy as ^W deletes a word 16:43:17 <Rawh> I really cannot live without that ability on irc anymore 16:43:23 <Rawh> Makes typing so much faster :P 16:43:37 <frosch123> the other day i tried kde3 kate, upon selecting it reordered the letters so that the selection is connected in one box 16:43:42 <Rawh> I hate word2010 for closing my file with ^W :( 16:43:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i hardly ever need to delete a word... 16:44:17 <Eddi|zuHause> Rawh: that should be configurable... 16:44:19 <frosch123> ctrl+w closes editor tabs in about every editor :) 16:44:38 <frosch123> though i am surprised that word supports it 16:44:50 <frosch123> i would have expected ctrl+f4 or something like that 16:44:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't remember ever using Ctrl+W anywhere 16:45:24 <frosch123> but, maybe ctrl+f4 is a win 3.11 hotkey :p 16:45:26 <Rawh> ctrl+w closes windows, I use it all the time for the abundance of windows I tend to have open 16:45:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i remember closing editors with Ctrl+K,Ctrl+D 16:45:39 <Eddi|zuHause> or Ctrl+K,d 16:45:46 * frosch123 still uses joe on console :) 16:45:47 <Rawh> "joe" ! :) 16:45:55 <Rawh> Ctrl-K,X here 16:46:11 <Eddi|zuHause> x is without saving? 16:46:14 <Rawh> Yep 16:46:34 <frosch123> while joe is actually totally broken, it's the console editor i am most used to :p 16:46:35 <Rawh> Most used shortcuts: Ctrl-a,d and Ctrl-a,n 16:46:39 <Eddi|zuHause> it was called "Borland Binary Editor", which my father used. 16:46:48 <frosch123> basically i am used to the bugs :p 16:46:54 <Rawh> I use "joe" over "vi" or "vim" whenever I can :) 16:46:58 <Eddi|zuHause> which he said he got from some pascal 2.0 or so 16:47:22 <Rawh> Even go as far as to export the editor=joe variable outside scripts 16:47:30 <Rawh> Or just put it in .bash_profile when I'm lazy enough 16:47:44 <frosch123> hmm, yeah... borland editors also used ctrl+k stuff 16:47:49 <frosch123> i think i forgot all hotkeys 16:48:03 <Eddi|zuHause> it's derived from starwriter commands, afaik 16:48:19 <frosch123> f2 save, f3 open, ctrl+k+f search, ctrl+k+g replace? 16:48:57 <Eddi|zuHause> well, the important ones are ^K,b and ^K,k for block selection, and ^K,c ^K,v for pasting 16:48:58 <frosch123> f4 debug to line, f7 step, f8 next, f9 run 16:49:01 <Rawh> Thinking about the good old days with WP :) 16:49:24 <Rawh> With the extra piece of paper with commands layed over the F keys :) 16:49:28 <frosch123> ah, kc and kv, yeah, i remember :) 16:50:05 <frosch123> i wonder why all those commands used a k first 16:50:38 <Rawh> Design thing I would say, just like why most windows commands use their own windows key and apple uses their apple key 16:50:50 <Rawh> It's something that they do to stand out against the rest, one might say :) 16:50:58 <frosch123> ctrl+f7 is watch variable i think 16:51:20 <frosch123> what might have been f5 and f6... 16:51:51 <frosch123> hmm, let's start dosbox and check 16:52:19 <Rawh> Hehehe 16:52:32 <frosch123> ctrl+f8 is breakpoint 16:53:01 <frosch123> ctrl+f2 is kill 16:53:27 <frosch123> alt+f5 is show screen 16:53:52 <frosch123> ah f5 and f6 are maximize and next window! 16:54:32 <frosch123> f10 is menu 16:54:49 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: there were other commands 16:54:56 <Eddi|zuHause> there was ^O,p for printing 16:55:17 <Rawh> Which might be related to the alt-o,p now? 16:55:20 <frosch123> i am currently looking at turbo pascal 7 16:55:23 <Rawh> Or simply using the printkey on the keyboard 16:55:25 <Rawh> No idea :) 16:55:28 <frosch123> alt+0 shows a list of window 16:55:35 <Rawh> frosch123: borland delphi or the older versions? 16:55:41 <frosch123> not delphi 16:56:00 <Rawh> I used to learn programming within borland delphi *shudders* 16:56:04 <frosch123> i own borland pascal 7 with bonus disk :) 16:56:26 <frosch123> borland pascal 7 is the thing before delphi 1 16:56:33 <Eddi|zuHause> Rawh: pascal/delphi is a rather good language for learning 16:56:57 <Eddi|zuHause> i "acquired" pascal 7 in school 16:57:05 <Eddi|zuHause> and later delphi 2 16:57:07 <frosch123> it can compile for dos realtime, dos protected mode and win 3.0 16:57:17 <Eddi|zuHause> and i had delphi 6 somewhen later 16:57:44 <frosch123> i also have delphi 2, it's even a bundle with delphi 1 16:58:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i made some of my numerics homework with delphi (console application) 16:58:51 <frosch123> hehe, me too :) later i used matlab :p 16:59:32 <Eddi|zuHause> that was when i wasn't familiar with C, and i got bored of Java quickly. then i "met" python :) 17:00:51 <frosch123> ah, my turbo pascal editor has a custom hotkey to run emtex \o/ 17:01:39 <Rawh> Eddi|zuHause: I had it mostly for the silly buttons and the code underlying such a button, visual programming they call it these days I believe 17:01:57 <Rawh> Such as "action on press" "action on doubleclick" etc..etc.. 17:02:28 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:02:34 <Rawh> Basic stuff I guess, I'm more of an infrastructure engineering type, not programming :) 17:03:24 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04:06 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 17:04:38 *** Tvel [~tvel@95.87.193.3] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:13:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ADF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:14:52 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:16:27 *** guru3_ [~guru3@stgt-5f72b626.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:17:29 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has joined #openttd 17:17:43 <Wolf01> evening 17:19:13 <frosch123> http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd/last?count=200 <- haha, my line breaks the baglog completely 17:19:58 <frosch123> it has a unbalanced-RTL-control-code-injection vulnerability 17:20:36 <frosch123> â¬maybe this fixes it 17:21:32 <frosch123> yup, it does :) 17:23:09 *** guru3 [~guru3@stgt-5f7167a6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:23:10 <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't look "fixed" to me 17:23:17 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:24:36 <Eddi|zuHause> but hovering over the link somewhat tempoarily fixes it 17:28:28 <frosch123> how does not fix it for you? 17:28:50 <frosch123> does the text continue rtl after my pop-rtl-code? 17:28:56 <Eddi|zuHause> the lines don't start with the beginning of the line 17:29:19 <frosch123> yeah, but only between my first rtl line, and the "this fixes it" 17:29:19 <Eddi|zuHause> the time is at the end 17:29:31 <Eddi|zuHause> no, exactly that it does not 17:30:15 <frosch123> it does for me in firefox and in opera 17:30:36 <Eddi|zuHause> "study; financial crises preferrably start in september and in election-years" 17:31:14 <frosch123> kate already cancels the rtl code at the end of the line 17:33:39 <Eddi|zuHause> your end code definitely doesn't work in konqueror 17:35:42 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:38:46 <frosch123> ottd's in-game text viewer also cancels them after each line 17:45:52 <FLHerne> Is it not possible to have a combined road/tram bridge? 17:46:29 *** devilsadvocate_ is now known as devilsadvocate 17:46:41 <frosch123> it is 17:46:50 <frosch123> build a bridge of any type, then add the other type 17:47:05 <frosch123> use the normal road/tram tool 17:47:15 <frosch123> not sure whether it also works with the bridge tool 17:48:45 <FLHerne> Can't build road here:must demolish bridge first... :-( 17:49:02 <FLHerne> Perhaps I misunderstood your explanation... 17:49:11 <frosch123> first use the bridge tool to build a bridge 17:49:23 <frosch123> then use the normal road/tram tool on the bridgehead to add the other type 17:49:28 <frosch123> same works for tunnels 17:50:30 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50:31 <FLHerne> Works on one bridgehead, but not the other :o 17:50:42 <FLHerne> Thanks :-) 17:51:13 <frosch123> it works on both 17:51:20 <frosch123> but you have to click the outside part 17:51:25 <frosch123> like when building a half road 17:51:46 <FLHerne> Ah, alright 17:51:53 <frosch123> though for remove it also works in the inner side :p 17:51:59 <frosch123> seems a bit inconsistent :) 17:52:01 <FLHerne> ... 17:55:18 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 17:58:37 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:59:18 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 18:01:31 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:17:02 <Eddi|zuHause> weird. there is a tiny section of "rainbow" in the sky, but there is no rain 18:17:31 <Eddi|zuHause> and it's also in the wrong place, relative to the sun 18:18:02 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has joined #openttd 18:18:05 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:18:17 <Alberth> oi 18:20:41 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: either aliens, or oil 18:20:57 <frosch123> hai albert 18:21:25 * Alberth prefers aliens 18:22:30 <Alberth> Is there a game script for industry-industry subsidies I can borrow? 18:22:55 <frosch123> today at work i named a method "TurnIntoAliens" :p 18:23:14 <frosch123> ask zuu 18:23:23 <frosch123> i think zuu wrote all gs available, except maybe one 18:24:13 <Alberth> programming an alien game by accident? :) 18:25:46 <frosch123> no, just the usual trouble with not finding a fitting name for something i can think of, but not describe properly :) 18:27:46 <Alberth> I don't think it survives peer review if I try that :) 18:29:14 <frosch123> oh, it's no totally random name. i can make up reasons to call the stuff "aliens" it deals with :) 18:29:34 <Zuu> frosch123: I only wrote 4 out of 6 on banans :-) 18:29:56 <frosch123> hmm, now that i think about it... maybe "zombies" fits better than "aliens" 18:30:18 <frosch123> wasn't "zombie" the name for stalled tasks which idle and never exit? 18:30:33 <Zuu> but non of them does industry-industry subsidies. I haven't made anything with subsidies yet. 18:32:14 *** Bad_Brett [~Bad_Brett@90-227-32-82-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 18:32:47 <Alberth> frosch123: zombie is a dead process 18:32:49 *** Bad_Brett [~Bad_Brett@90-227-32-82-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [] 18:33:29 <Alberth> but at least at Unix, its parent has not read the exit status, so it lingers in the process table 18:34:15 <Alberth> Zuu: pity, I'll make a trivial one myself then :) 18:35:33 <Zuu> local ind = GSIndustryList(); ind.Valuate(GSBase.RandItem); ind.KeepTop(2); 18:35:55 <Zuu> Then create a subsidie from ind[0] to ind[1] 18:36:07 <Alberth> I don't know how a zombie compares with 'the undead' 18:36:23 <Zuu> Althoug I beleive you cant do ind[0] or ind[1] exactly. 18:36:34 <Alberth> Zuu: perhaps they should have a cargo in common? :) 18:36:39 <Zuu> but ind.Front() and ind.Back() or so should give them. 18:37:02 <Zuu> Alberth: Thats a good requirement :-) 18:37:37 <Alberth> Zuu: can you build OpenTTD from the source? 18:39:07 <frosch123> Alberth: zuu is also a known patch writer :) 18:39:26 * Alberth takes that as a 'yes' :) 18:39:47 <frosch123> maybe he is just good at writing patches without syntax errors :) 18:41:09 <Zuu> Alberth: Yes 18:41:29 <Alberth> http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/cargo_monitor.patch 18:41:57 <Alberth> I am playing with a game script extension that allows you to monitor industry-industry deliveries 18:42:44 <Alberth> This code extends OpenTTD in that direction, I need a script for proof of concept :) 18:42:59 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-25-149.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:43:25 <Alberth> If you are sufficiently bored..... :) 18:46:03 <Alberth> if not, that's fine too 18:46:15 <Zuu> I was bored yesterday. But not so much bored today :-) 18:46:46 <Zuu> Currently I'm reading your patch though to get an idea what it does. 18:48:07 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-21-99.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:53:08 <Zuu> Alberth: Which svn revision/hg rev is your patch against? 18:53:48 *** Bad_Brett [~Bad_Brett@90-227-32-82-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 18:53:57 <Alberth> HEAD 18:54:24 <Alberth> r24358 to be precise 18:55:10 <Alberth> Basically, you construct a 32bit number with industry/company/cargo-type 18:55:31 <Alberth> then give it to monitoring of deliveries or to pickup 18:55:42 <Alberth> then poll regularly for the amount 18:55:53 <Zuu> I think you docummented it quite well in the patch. 18:55:56 <Alberth> each poll will reset the count 18:56:53 <Alberth> yeah, I am somewhat of a doxymentation addict :) 18:57:39 <Alberth> it seemed like a gap in the current functionality 18:58:20 <SpComb> monitor? 18:58:22 <Zuu> Yep, indeed. Currently you cannot see deleveries to end point industries. 18:58:41 * SpComb thinks rrdtool graphs 18:58:41 <Zuu> And for others you have to resort to 'last month production' 18:59:19 <Alberth> SpComb yeah, the thing you're watching, or perhaps you can watch cargo deliveries too :) 19:00:13 <Alberth> yep, but that's not company oriented 19:02:48 <Zuu> Alberth: The convention for Lists in the API is the class that returns a list in the constructor has the suffix "List". Thus ScriptCargoMonitorDeliveries would be ScriptCargoMonitorDeliveryList 19:05:15 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 19:07:15 <Bad_Brett> Hey! Is there a FAQ on how to make a music pack (not the midis - the obm-file) ? And is there any way I can set a default music pack in newGRF? 19:07:43 <Alberth> thanks, patch updated 19:08:08 <frosch123> Bad_Brett: http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/file/4e6c7e54d400/docs/obm_format.txt 19:08:37 <Zuu> I'm working on a test GS for you now :-) 19:08:41 <frosch123> Alberth: is it possible to extent it for towns? 19:08:50 <frosch123> just lke subsidies 19:09:18 <Bad_Brett> Thanks! 19:09:19 <frosch123> hmm, actually, it also needs some way to detect industry closure to remove stall items 19:09:21 <Alberth> sounds like it is possible :) 19:10:13 <Alberth> frosch123: doesn't matter much, it is a binary tree, so you hardly notice it still being around 19:10:14 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.129.183] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:10:45 <Alberth> also, the script tracks those things too probably 19:11:44 <Alberth> it'd probably need some hacking in the subsidies so the code can be shared 19:11:57 <frosch123> well, i think the state should also be saved. it's weird if scripts need a month to "boot". and when it is saved, it should clean removed industries 19:12:07 <frosch123> or it will return weird stuf when the industry id is reassigned 19:12:34 <Alberth> frosch123: my idea was that the script reads all data on save 19:12:58 <frosch123> isn't that quite hard for the script? 19:13:05 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-20-25.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:13:07 <frosch123> then it has to process everything during autosave 19:13:20 <Alberth> and re-initializes the monitored items on reload 19:13:22 <frosch123> as the stuff is lost once queried 19:13:33 <frosch123> and scripts have very limited instructions in the save method 19:13:58 <Alberth> fair point, needs being looked at then 19:14:14 <Alberth> maybe generalize subsidies instead? 19:14:34 <frosch123> it would also be inconsistent, since everything else (like town grow goals, or even texts in the town gui) is saved 19:14:35 <Alberth> (or also) 19:15:01 <frosch123> Alberth: you mean a pool item for every connection? 19:15:17 <frosch123> sounds a bit cargodest-ish 19:15:25 <Alberth> we have a pool for subsidies? 19:15:51 <frosch123> sure, what else? 19:16:00 <frosch123> though i think it is quite limited in size 19:16:16 <frosch123> 256 items only :) 19:16:20 <frosch123> quite a lot actually 19:16:36 <Alberth> well, it seems a bit stupid to have subsidies and cargo monitoring which mostly do the same sort of thing, but are separate things 19:16:59 <Alberth> 256 sounds like sufficient to me 19:17:06 <frosch123> subsidies only monitor the connection of a single cargo between two specific objects 19:17:17 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-25-149.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:17:20 <frosch123> while you seem to monitor everything for a destination 19:17:23 <frosch123> don't you? 19:17:37 <Alberth> my code also monitors only what the script says it should monitor 19:18:12 <Alberth> only particular combinations of industry/company/cargo-type 19:18:25 <frosch123> hmm, well, if the script wants to monitor a single cargo between a single source and a single industry, then subsidies are similiar 19:18:40 <Alberth> ieg all coal you bring to the Foo power plant 19:18:51 <frosch123> but, if it wants to monitor all supplies for a industry, or all destinations for a industry it would have to spawn douzen such subsidies 19:18:53 <frosch123> to monitor them all 19:19:10 <frosch123> and it would also have to constantly spawn new ones for new industries 19:19:14 <Alberth> euhm, at most 5 :) 19:19:33 <frosch123> [21:29] <Alberth> ieg all coal you bring to the Foo power plant <- but subsidies do not count "all coal" 19:19:44 <frosch123> they only count coal from a single specific source 19:19:57 <frosch123> unless you add a special value for "any source" 19:20:03 <frosch123> but then you cannot tell from which in the script 19:20:47 <frosch123> so, i think your stuff is quite different from subsidies 19:21:22 <Alberth> you may be right, I have to check it 19:22:37 <Alberth> ok, the patch just exploded in complexity, as usual :) 19:23:06 <frosch123> sorry :) 19:23:20 <Alberth> oh, np, it only gets better :) 19:26:59 <planetmaker> hello 19:27:15 <frosch123> hi pm :) 19:27:37 <planetmaker> Bad_Brett: music is not newgrf-able iirc 19:27:41 <planetmaker> only sound is 19:29:07 <frosch123> you can add ambient sounds :) 19:29:27 <frosch123> though likely not very useful for music 19:32:50 <Eddi|zuHause> the maximum file size is probably too low 19:33:41 <frosch123> 2 GB wave data is also many hours 19:34:11 <Eddi|zuHause> wasn't it something like 64k? 19:34:11 <frosch123> the problem is more that you have no real checks whether it is running, or whether you have to start it or smiliar 19:34:19 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: grf container 2 19:34:21 <planetmaker> Bad_Brett: 'best' documentation probably is openmsx for the obm file format. Though... I recall having some doc somewhere. But I don't recall. Did you check readmes and related documentation of openttd? 19:34:49 <frosch123> planetmaker: i linked that one already 19:35:08 <planetmaker> openmsx? sorry, I skipped some backlog :-) 19:35:17 <frosch123> no, the readme :) 19:35:21 <planetmaker> :-) 19:36:18 <frosch123> so, do your osx irc client and browser handle bidirectional text properly? :p 19:36:52 <planetmaker> I didn't find the line which you referred to. Can you give time? 19:37:53 <frosch123> http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd/last?count=300 <- you might find it easier in there 19:38:07 <frosch123> select my question of the day 19:38:34 <planetmaker> 21:32 frosch123: [18:44:14] Question of the day: ?ylreporp txet lanoitceridib troppus tneilc CRI ruoy seoD 19:39:01 <planetmaker> hm... the visible is different from what is pasted from what is sent and received ;-) 19:39:02 <frosch123> at least your paste stripped them 19:39:31 <frosch123> ah, so you saw it correctly, but the paste removed the control codes? :) 19:39:33 <planetmaker> In my input view it looked right. In the backlog it looked like "Does the" as last part and here... strange 19:40:14 <frosch123> what does your browser do with the log? 19:40:22 <Terkhen> good night 19:40:23 <frosch123> does it cancel the rtl at the end of th eline 19:40:31 <Alberth> good night Terkhen 19:40:46 <frosch123> or is everything reversed from 18:33:53 till 19:21:32 ? 19:40:51 <planetmaker> FF13 does show a normal English question 19:41:02 <planetmaker> a completely normal line 19:41:20 <frosch123> planetmaker: select part of the line :) 19:41:27 <planetmaker> »» 18:33:53 < frosch123> Question of the day: ?ylreporp txet lanoitceridib troppus tneilc CRI ruoy seoD 19:41:33 <planetmaker> :-) 19:41:46 <frosch123> that paste stripped the control codes again :) 19:41:50 <planetmaker> yup 19:42:34 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: fyi, that's how it looks in my browser: www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Bildschirmfoto14.png 19:42:47 <planetmaker> ylreporp txet lanoitceridib troppus 19:42:51 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: and it doesn't stop at your "that fixed it" line 19:42:53 <planetmaker> like part of it :-) 19:43:08 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: that's also completely different to mine 19:43:11 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-25-105.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:44:07 <glx> 18:33:53 < frosch123> Question of the day: â®?ylreporp txet lanoitceridib troppus tneilc CRI ruoy seoD 19:44:27 <glx> copy paste works for me 19:44:55 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/bidirect.png <- that's what firefox and opera display for me 19:45:00 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: what i find the most interesting is that it puts interpunctation at the beginning of the line, and the rest normal 19:45:01 <frosch123> which i think is correct 19:45:17 <planetmaker> http://imagebin.org/218512 <-- you see that I really wondered what you meant :-) I guess the answer is 'yes' to your question 19:45:35 <frosch123> i used the force-RTL-independent-of-char-origin code 19:46:43 <glx> I see exactly like planetmaker 19:47:38 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/bidirect2.png <- that's the selection behaviour 19:47:44 <frosch123> start from left, then jump to the right 19:48:49 <frosch123> so for both pm and glx, the browser cancels the rtl at the end of the line 19:49:13 <planetmaker> probably same browser ;-) 19:49:19 <frosch123> which also do some of my editors and ottd, but not my browsers :p 19:49:40 <Zuu> Alberth: Oh, my test GS makes OpenTTD hang. somehow the CallStack only shows dll files for some reason... 19:49:47 <Eddi|zuHause> what's "end of the line" for a browser? 19:49:54 *** plastics [~plastics@c-69-138-42-222.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:49:59 <Eddi|zuHause> a </p> or <br/> tag? 19:50:09 <glx> firefox 14 for me 19:50:18 <planetmaker> hm, 13.0.1 19:50:21 <Eddi|zuHause> html is supposed to ignore whitespace 19:50:24 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/bidirect.png <- btw. in that case the rtl continues until 19:20:36, where i inserted at pop-code 19:50:26 <glx> (beta) 19:50:27 <Alberth> Zuu: :( 19:51:44 <Zuu> Tries with a debug build instead. The hang happen during world generation. Probably at the phase when script get to run before the game starts. So its not like I need to run lots of time with the GS to prodece it. 19:53:16 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-139.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 19:53:43 <planetmaker> frosch123: now, that looks interesting ;-) 19:54:22 <Zuu> Alberth: EncodeMonitor keeps calling itself. 19:54:23 <frosch123> planetmaker: the behaviour of kde3 kate was also quite interesting 19:54:44 <Zuu> You have two EncodeMonitor functions and the one that get called by the GS calls itself instead of the other one. 19:55:08 <planetmaker> what is that like, frosch123? 19:55:26 <Alberth> Oh, interesting :) 19:55:49 <Zuu> That is what it looks like. I'll try again with a break point to catch it before the stack has overflown :-) 19:55:51 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@201.47.28.241.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 19:56:22 <Zuu> Yep, its calling itself in an infinite loop 19:56:33 <Alberth> Zuu: add "::" to force it to use the global function 19:56:33 <frosch123> when selecting "day: properly?" it would reorder the text and show "[start of selection]day: properly?[end of selection]Does your IRC client support bidirection text" 19:57:07 <frosch123> i.e. it splits the rtl text in the middle and moves the stuff on the right so that the selection is a continuous block 19:57:19 <frosch123> kde4 kate does not behave like that, nor any other software i tried :) 19:57:29 <Alberth> Zuu: return ::EncodeMonitor(industry_id, company, cargo); 19:58:40 <planetmaker> that must look weired :-) 19:59:06 <Zuu> Alberth: Yep that fixes it. Now I need to hunt more bugs in my own code. :-) 19:59:29 <frosch123> yeah, but it allows continous selection without these off-points between rtl/ltr text where the selection jumps to something totally different 19:59:41 <frosch123> so, i wondered whether it was intentional :) 19:59:57 <frosch123> but it was also confusing since the text was moving all the time :p 20:13:24 <michi_cc> frosch123: You RTL text is interesting in my xchat :) I see it properly, and if I copy the *whole* line I get I including the control code. If I select inside the reversed area, the selection still moves left to right, but the selected characters are shown and copied in the physical order. 20:14:25 <frosch123> good point, that's also the case for me 20:14:53 <frosch123> so, force-direction codes are actually weird to handle 20:15:08 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:15:37 <Zuu> Alberth: http://junctioneer.net/openttd/CargoMonitorTestGS-v1.tar 20:15:48 <frosch123> i wondered whether those codes could be used to write numbers correctly 20:15:56 <frosch123> i.e. rtl 20:16:01 <Zuu> It does not display any delivery/pickup > 0 even if I pickup/deliver 20:16:19 <Zuu> pickup/delivery is displayed in the AI/GS debug window 20:16:41 <Zuu> It creates a Subsidy between the two industries that it monitors for each cargo that it monitors. 20:16:54 <Zuu> It only monitors pickup at the source industry and delivery at the target industry. 20:17:26 <Zuu> Maybe I should check one time more that pickup/delivery is not mixed up somewhere :-) 20:19:30 <Alberth> looking good at first sight 20:19:33 <Alberth> thanks 20:19:55 <Alberth> now I have to fix my patch with respect to the new ideas :) 20:20:35 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-93-61.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:20:46 <Zuu> Hmm, it does actually now show up. 20:21:41 <Zuu> At the time of delivery, it shows both delivery + pickup and the same value. 20:21:47 <Alberth> pickup administration is handled during delivery 20:22:13 <Alberth> otherwise you get all kinds of corner cases with feeder stations etc 20:22:20 <michi_cc> frosch123: Which control code did you use? There's at least two types I can see. 20:22:45 <Alberth> or possibly even round-trip delivery to the originating station for another pick-up :) 20:23:55 <frosch123> michi_cc: "start of right-to-left override" and later "pop directional formatting" 20:24:43 <Alberth> Zuu: the idea was not to use it for monitoring subsidies, but only servicing of some single industry 20:24:58 <Alberth> ie "get 500 coal from X mine 20:25:18 <Alberth> or "bring X tonnes stuff to industry Y" 20:25:22 <Zuu> I realized this. Its sort of redundant to monitor both source and dest side and you have no idea that it was transported between thoes industries. 20:25:38 <Zuu> The Subsity in this GS is more for visualization of which industries that it monitors. 20:25:57 <michi_cc> There's also right-to-left embedding, but I don't really see the difference. Third is the RTL mark, but that seems to be more like local modification for e.g. punctuation. 20:26:13 <Zuu> A cheap way to create a news item which is clickable and have all details in it. :-) 20:26:14 * Alberth nods 20:26:39 <frosch123> michi_cc: the other marks to not force rtl for latin characters for me 20:27:43 <frosch123> though the embedding thing still messes with selections :) 20:29:02 <Zuu> Alberth: http://junctioneer.net/openttd/CargoMonitorTestGS-v1b.tar <--- displays more details in the Monitor() function. But perhaps you are familar enough with Squirrel to modify the Monitor() function to get out the details that you need. 20:29:31 <Zuu> Note that you shouldn't have both 1 and 1b in OpenTTD search path at the same time as both register as version 1. 20:29:44 <Alberth> ok :) 20:29:49 <Zuu> At least you shouldn't do that if you want to predict which one it takes. :-) 20:30:21 <Alberth> yeah, I sort of copy/paste stuff until it works, and with some educated guesses, I usually get it working 20:30:34 *** Jupix [~jupix@88.193.17.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:30:55 <Alberth> I cannot really be bothered to really study squirrel :p 20:30:56 <Zuu> 1b monitor and display both pickup and delivery at both industries. 20:32:06 <Alberth> hmm, 3,3k wood at a feeder station does not look good :) 20:32:47 <Alberth> Zuu: I'll have a look, and will figure it out. thanks for your efforts. I'll let you know when I have news 20:32:59 <Zuu> Great 20:34:23 <Alberth> oh, the other side of the water also has 3k wood in storage :) 20:34:27 *** Jupix [~jupix@dsl-lprbrasgw1-ff11c100-110.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:35:01 <Alberth> let's do that another day :) 20:35:04 <Alberth> good night all 20:35:15 <frosch123> night albert 20:36:16 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has left #openttd [] 20:43:36 <Wolf01> 'night 20:43:43 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:48:13 *** Kylie [Kylie@CPE18593346e177-CM18593346e174.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 20:51:15 <frosch123> night 20:51:18 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f766a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03:18 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03:59 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 21:09:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ADF7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18:56 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db0ec3f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us] 21:43:28 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 21:57:58 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Hugs to all] 22:02:38 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.jkit.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:02:48 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.jkit.nl] has joined #openttd 22:17:26 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:38:59 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 22:56:30 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.72.168] has joined #openttd 23:01:38 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-102-44.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:06:58 *** ben1066_ [~quassel@194.14.179.181] has joined #openttd 23:08:10 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-52-142.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:11:06 *** ben1066 [~quassel@2a00:dcc0:eda:89:14:179:e28f:960d] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:14:16 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-143-190.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:18:56 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:34:05 *** Devroush [~dennis@178-119-153-135.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:35:34 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@201.47.28.241.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:44:54 *** pjpe [ae5f3b5c@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd