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00:00:33 <Eddi|zuHause> you think so? 00:02:16 <Eddi|zuHause> there's this anecdote how the nobel committee couldn't give albert einstein the price for his theory of relativity, because they couldn't give the price for something they didn't understand themselves. 00:02:20 <Mazur> You doubt it? 00:02:39 <Mazur> Funny, never heard that before. 00:02:49 <Eddi|zuHause> (albert einstein actually got the price for something else) 00:03:03 <Mazur> prize, btw. 00:03:21 <Eddi|zuHause> right 00:03:22 <Mazur> price is somethings cost. 00:03:39 <Eddi|zuHause> it's the same word in german 00:03:50 <Mazur> In Dutch, as well. 00:04:17 <Mazur> But not in English, so I thought I'd just mention it. 00:04:23 <Mazur> :-D 00:04:47 <Mazur> If only to show my English is better than yours. 00:04:52 <Mazur> ;-) 00:05:03 <Mazur> WHile my typing isn't. 00:29:31 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:119d:5ac5:1abd:bfe] has quit [Quit: bye] 00:36:17 <Mazur> My stable login problems might have been related to how I connected. Just now I could get in and get done what I wanted. 00:36:59 <Mazur> No, not that, just checked nad I did not use what I thought I did. 00:50:12 *** mal2 [~mal2@port-92-206-91-132.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:16:03 *** kkimlabs__ [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: Rage Quit] 01:24:40 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.247.49] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:32:31 *** kkimlabs [~kkimlabs@VPNRASA-WLAN-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 02:13:03 *** MinchinWeb [~MinchinWe@S0106002401ce418e.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 02:36:30 *** kkimlabs [~kkimlabs@VPNRASA-WLAN-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Quit: Rage Quit] 02:36:43 *** kkimlabs [~kkimlabs@VPNRASA-WLAN-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 02:56:25 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-66-115-249-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 03:35:25 *** MinchinWeb [~MinchinWe@S0106002401ce418e.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:55:04 *** perk11 [~perk11@46.242.11.118] has joined #openttd 03:56:40 <perk11> someone compiled openttd to play in browser http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ovut2taLdM 03:57:16 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-139.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 04:01:01 <TomyLobo> how does that work? 04:01:10 <TomyLobo> does gcc have a javascript target now? :D 04:01:47 <TomyLobo> oh crap... no, but llvm does 04:06:00 <perk11> using Emscripten 04:06:08 <perk11> and llvm 04:08:12 <TomyLobo> i can't help but notice that the person who did this apparently didnt share his sources, nor is he required to by the GPL... time for AGPL? :P 04:08:25 <TomyLobo> and uh wtf... that's tnot opengfx 04:09:52 <perk11> https://github.com/caiiiycuk/play-ttd sources 04:10:11 <TomyLobo> i never played ttd, but i'm suspecting he used the original game graphics pack 04:11:29 <perk11> yeah, that's it 04:12:49 <TomyLobo> isnt that copyrighted? 04:13:11 <TomyLobo> or was that opensourced in the meantime? 04:13:34 <perk11> it definitely is copyrighted 04:13:43 <perk11> or why whould community make opengfx 04:14:00 <TomyLobo> history? 04:14:02 <TomyLobo> new stuff? 04:14:20 <TomyLobo> i.e. it might be that it wasnt open back then 04:14:33 <TomyLobo> and kept because it has all the new stuff TTD didnt have 04:14:38 <perk11> I guess it's still not open 04:15:10 <TomyLobo> i'm not gonna tell microprose, but this guy is committing a breach of copyright 04:15:53 <perk11> yeah I guess I'll contact him and tell 04:16:12 <TomyLobo> thanks, i always sound like the bad guy when i do things like that :P 04:28:54 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-67-171.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 04:34:09 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-88-229.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:45:00 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD400D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:45:15 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5777.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:58:54 *** telanus [~telanus@196.215.173.106] has joined #openttd 05:07:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 05:22:29 *** telanus1 [~telanus@196.215.173.106] has joined #openttd 05:26:08 *** telanus 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07:05:35 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 07:07:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i once was on a bus that almost burned down 07:08:04 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 07:11:10 <__ln__> NGC3982: it's bus with one s. 07:11:49 <NGC3982> __ln__: i noticed. thank you. 07:11:58 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: :o 07:44:19 *** cmircea [~cmircea@82.78.176.181] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:01:12 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db0e112.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 08:06:38 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 08:18:56 *** kkimlabs__ [~kkimlabs@VPNRASA-WLAN-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 08:19:41 *** kkimlabs [~kkimlabs@VPNRASA-WLAN-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:22:31 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-32-72.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:48:37 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] 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known as Mek 11:48:56 <NGC3982> sweet jesus. 11:49:23 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [] 11:53:14 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 12:08:01 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 12:08:10 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:12:47 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:38a3:4168:5ff6:bfc1] has joined #openttd 12:12:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:17:25 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-32-72.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 12:30:55 *** CornishPasty [users.158@brockwell.irccloud.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:32:00 *** CornishPasty [users.158@id-158.hampstead.irccloud.com] has joined #openttd 12:38:28 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-139.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 12:59:06 <planetmaker> that's a nice photo and nice vehicles, Eddi|zuHause :-) 13:00:00 <andythenorth> considered that for FIRS coal mine 13:00:08 <andythenorth> hmm 13:00:09 <planetmaker> :-) +1 13:00:17 <andythenorth> unrelated, I might actually draw a quarry sometime 13:00:27 <planetmaker> +1 :-P 13:00:28 <andythenorth> I keep thinking there must be a solution to it 13:00:34 <planetmaker> (easy for me to say :-) ) 13:00:36 <andythenorth> without requiring 300 sprites 13:00:44 <planetmaker> 3D models ;-) 13:03:20 <andythenorth> still needs slicing :P 13:14:38 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:38a3:4168:5ff6:bfc1] has joined #openttd 13:14:38 *** glx is now known as Guest2226 13:14:39 *** glx_ is now known as glx 13:21:12 *** Guest2226 [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:38a3:4168:5ff6:bfc1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:38:05 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-32-72.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:45:24 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:45:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.177.222] has joined #openttd 13:52:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 15:54:46 <andythenorth> lo 16:02:32 *** perk11 [~perk11@46.242.11.118] has joined #openttd 16:08:49 *** KylieBrooks [Kylie@CPE18593346e177-CM18593346e174.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 16:22:03 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E8CC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:39:13 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 16:44:35 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has joined #openttd 16:44:38 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 17:02:31 *** kkimlabs [~kkimlabs@VPNRASA-WLAN-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 17:08:38 <Alberth> where did everybody go? 17:08:47 <andythenorth> lo Alberth 17:08:55 <Alberth> o/ andy 17:09:14 <andythenorth> who else is here? planetmaker Terkhen ? 17:09:22 <Terkhen> hi 17:09:30 <Alberth> they are always here :) 17:12:02 <Terkhen> just busy sometimes 17:12:05 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not here, i'm sick 17:12:05 <Terkhen> or procrastinating :) 17:12:27 <frosch123> yeah, you are not talking much today 17:12:31 <frosch123> i am not impressed 17:15:49 <Alberth> hmm, are DVDs supposed to stick to each other? 17:16:15 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E8CC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:19:58 <andythenorth> FISH auto-refit 17:20:08 <andythenorth> there are different kinds of ship [details, details] 17:20:11 <andythenorth> but anyway 17:20:19 <andythenorth> pax <-> mail y/n? 17:20:54 <andythenorth> (express ferries) 17:22:01 <Eddi|zuHause> refit yes, autorefit no 17:22:22 <andythenorth> packet ships (have pax cabins and cargo holds) 17:22:23 <Eddi|zuHause> (or: allow autorefit for all cargos) 17:22:47 <andythenorth> packet ships probably refit most 17:22:48 <andythenorth> hmm 17:23:02 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: doesn't make sense as long as you can't mix them 17:23:14 * andythenorth ponders 17:23:22 <andythenorth> some ships have explicit tanker refits 17:23:32 <andythenorth> some ships have explicit pax / cargo graphics 17:23:38 <andythenorth> others don't 17:23:55 <Alberth> The case I had was transport of wood and coal in the same direction 17:24:12 <Alberth> now I have to balance the #wood and #coal myself 17:24:29 <Sacro> Alberth: this is not twitter 17:24:43 <Alberth> with automagic refit, I'd hope that the game does that 17:24:57 <Alberth> Sacro: oh, do they use numbers so often there? 17:25:20 <Sacro> hm? 17:25:45 <frosch123> Sacro: cardinals are not only church stuff 17:25:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19A4D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:25:53 <Alberth> #X == number of things doing X 17:26:44 <Alberth> that some site thinks it's funny to give it another meaning is not my problem :p 17:26:51 <Sacro> now i'm confused 17:28:26 <andythenorth> #autorefit? 17:28:27 <andythenorth> :P 17:28:31 <andythenorth> what's the conclusion? 17:28:40 <andythenorth> yes / no / maybe 17:30:02 <Pinkbeast> Surely not pax <-> mail 17:30:14 <andythenorth> por quoi? 17:31:32 <Pinkbeast> Well, thematically I think of autorefit as representing trivial refits. If I have a bunch of hoppers that were full of coal, and I want to fill them with iron ore... well, I just fill them with iron ore. 17:31:53 <Pinkbeast> But pax and mail handling are very different operations; the ship can't just fill a bunch of pax cabins with mailbags. 17:32:32 <Pinkbeast> And also from a gameplay point of view I think it's nice to distinguish the various cargos, to give them flavour. 17:32:34 <Nat_aS> it's easier than filling maill carriages with passengers. 17:32:52 <frosch123> maybe the ship does not really transport mail, but produces it just-in-time using the pax on board 17:33:30 <Pinkbeast> Pax and mail already start from and go to the same places - with the same distribution algorithm in cargod*st worlds. If they also can travel in the same vehicles, autorefitting as needed... they're even more identical. 17:33:34 <Nat_aS> hmm, veichiles as industries, producing cargo in transit 17:33:38 <Nat_aS> and consuming them 17:33:47 <Pinkbeast> Nat: well, I used to travel in BR guards vans quite a lot but I know what you mean. :-) 17:34:08 <Nat_aS> like ships consuming food and goods and producing mail for all the passingers if it goes on long enough 17:34:16 <Nat_aS> factory ships processing fish in transit 17:34:24 <Nat_aS> uhhh 17:34:29 <Nat_aS> other examples, lol i dono 17:34:36 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r24376 /trunk/src/lang/korean.txt: 17:34:36 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:34:36 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: korean - 8 changes by telk5093 17:34:47 *** mahmoud [~KEM@AClermont-Ferrand-552-1-254-127.w86-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 17:35:00 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i think autorefit pax<->mail will never trigger, as the passengers roll in so fast there will never be a case when refitting to mail would be allowed 17:36:09 <andythenorth> point 17:36:18 <Terkhen> it also does not make much sense IMO 17:36:24 <Terkhen> passengers need special commodities that mail do not 17:36:38 <Terkhen> btw nice that you are already working on it :9 17:36:39 <Terkhen> :) 17:36:43 <Nat_aS> but there is nothing stoping you from throwing mailbags onto first class seats 17:36:44 <Pinkbeast> I think the stuff in UKRS2 that makes pax and mail carriages and trains not just different sprites for the same numbers is a step in the right direction. 17:37:24 <Pinkbeast> Nat: In an unusual situation, no. But you're never going to routinely do that; and since one OTTD journey represents many "real" journeys, it has to represent routine operations, surely? 17:37:46 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: maybe you want to make autorefit for the same cargo class (i.e. all bulk cargos, or all piece cargos, or all liquid cargos) 17:38:18 <Nat_aS> I'd actualy hesitate to allow water and oil to be reffited 17:38:30 <Nat_aS> simply because you have to scrub the tank down good before doing that. 17:38:43 <Nat_aS> would you want to drink water that came in an oil tank? 17:38:47 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I think that's plausible 17:38:49 <Eddi|zuHause> Nat_aS: yes. but at some point, you need to make a pragmatic decision. or you micromanage yourself to death 17:39:17 <Nat_aS> well the pragmatic decision is not allow it 17:39:33 <Nat_aS> autoreft is for things like goods 17:39:35 <Pinkbeast> I think a scrubdown comes under the scope of autorefit, actually; what doesn't is where some modification to the wagon's structure would be needed (in my view). 17:39:39 <andythenorth> well why am I recoding FISH in nml if we're not allowing autorefit? :P 17:39:54 <Nat_aS> because it will be more efficant that way? 17:40:10 <andythenorth> oh yes, it will definitely run faster in game for example. Good point. 17:40:17 <Alberth> Nat_aS: milk versus water? There are lots of edge cases, in particular as the cargoes are not known before hand 17:40:25 <andythenorth> nml is about 30% faster in game 17:40:33 <Alberth> :o 17:40:47 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: how's that? 17:40:52 * andythenorth is trolling 17:41:52 <Alberth> andythenorth: perhaps you should remove a few +1 - 1 operations :p 17:42:29 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-231-254.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:46:40 *** mahmoud [~KEM@AClermont-Ferrand-552-1-254-127.w86-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:49:16 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-148-242-89.range81-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:49:26 <Alberth> o/ LordAro 17:49:34 <LordAro> hai Alberth 17:49:54 <LordAro> hmm 17:50:20 <LordAro> i need a way of finding out the filepath, from a ContentInfo... 17:50:39 <LordAro> i realise not many people know about this :) 17:51:09 * Alberth is part of the 'not' group :) 17:51:42 <frosch123> LordAro: i cannot work that way 17:52:00 <LordAro> true :P 17:52:14 <frosch123> it could be in any directory, "content_download", or any subdirectory of "data", "newgrf", "baseset" .... 17:52:33 <frosch123> so, you can only go via the content id and md5sum 17:52:50 <frosch123> check the code which tests whether you already have a particular content 17:54:12 <LordAro> there are things like 'HasGRFConfig' and 'AI::HasAI' 17:54:29 <LordAro> don't really want to have to modify all of those though :) 17:54:39 <frosch123> someone knows by heart, how ottd 0.3 stored subsidies? :p 17:58:27 <LordAro> oh sure. It's... *disconnects* 17:58:31 <LordAro> :P 17:58:44 <Sacro> in RAM 18:02:44 <Zuu> Lesson learned, don't play around with the new firefox toolbar editor. Now my bookmarks are on the web developer toolbar which itself is lost and the option to customize the toolbar have disabled itself. :-) 18:03:42 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:07:07 *** kkimlabs [~kkimlabs@VPNRASA-WLAN-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:09:15 *** davesauto [4ad75d36@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:09:45 <davesauto> hwy guys 18:09:50 <davesauto> hey* 18:10:22 *** davesauto [4ad75d36@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [] 18:10:44 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-231-254.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:10:47 <frosch123> cars are fast 18:10:56 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:11:38 *** kkimlabs_ [~kkimlabs@VPNRASA-WLAN-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 18:11:54 <andythenorth> hmm 18:15:07 * frosch123 smells petrichor 18:15:55 <andythenorth> mail <-> goods autorefit? 18:16:29 <frosch123> mail <-> goods <-> valueables? 18:16:37 *** Kylie [Kylie@CPE18593346e177-CM18593346e174.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 18:17:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.177.222] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:17:16 <andythenorth> frosch123: it rained? 18:17:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.177.222] has joined #openttd 18:17:29 <frosch123> not yet 18:17:37 <frosch123> well, it started 18:19:00 <andythenorth> what happened to that 'dirty' class I invented? :P 18:20:04 <FLHerne> andythenorth: yes (mail <-> goods <-> valuables) 18:20:30 <LordAro> hmm. i can get the filename (without path or extension) any chance i can search with that? 18:23:21 <FLHerne> Mail <-> Valuables, anyway. Goods implies bulkier stuff in some cases? 18:23:48 <FLHerne> (eg default set seems to be tinned food) 18:24:29 *** perk11 [~perk11@46.242.11.118] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 18:25:24 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 18:26:27 <frosch123> LordAro: the filename is not enough to identify the content definitely 18:26:42 <LordAro> thought not :L 18:26:48 <frosch123> all versions of some content have the same name 18:27:29 <LordAro> well, i have the 'unique id' 18:27:41 <LordAro> which is 'GRFID or shortname' 18:27:45 <LordAro> apparently :) 18:27:59 <frosch123> you also need md5sum :) 18:31:16 <LordAro> i have that also :) 18:31:23 <LordAro> (yay!) 18:32:04 <LordAro> http://www.reddit.com/r/talesfromtechsupport/comments/w1fyo/of_puppies_printers_and_why_you_should_always/ <-- Geminii27 has had a truely awesome career :) 18:33:14 * andythenorth ponders allowing 'refit all' 18:33:21 <andythenorth> might be easiest 18:34:33 <frosch123> andythenorth: add random refittability 18:34:44 <frosch123> that makes the choice of ships more interesting :) 18:34:57 <andythenorth> ha 18:41:40 <andythenorth> "This ship may or may not refit to cargo xyz. Feeling lucky?" 18:42:36 <Alberth> buy 5 ditch 3 :) 18:42:59 <frosch123> i did not meant randomise on purchase :p 18:43:21 <andythenorth> I did :P 18:48:45 <frosch123> anyway, refit-to-everything is boring 18:49:46 <frosch123> alternatively you can allow refitting passengery ferries to coal, but with loading time increased by factor 50 18:50:08 <frosch123> only loadable using hand-carts :) 18:54:13 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:57:10 *** kkimlabs__ [~kkimlabs@VPNRASA-WLAN-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 18:57:31 <frosch123> andythenorth: what version requirements did you set for firs 0.7.5 on bananas? 18:58:02 <andythenorth> frosch123: 302013859 18:58:24 <frosch123> @base 10 16 302013859 18:58:24 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 12005DA3 18:58:37 <frosch123> @base 16 10 5DA3 18:58:37 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 23971 18:59:22 *** Chris_Booth[ph] [~chrisboot@host81-154-231-254.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:59:25 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p5DC66EC5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:59:59 *** kkimlabs_ [~kkimlabs@VPNRASA-WLAN-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:00:02 <frosch123> TrueBrain: what's wrong with the "first 0.7.5" item on bananas? 19:00:15 <frosch123> we have two fs task of not being able to download it 19:00:57 <frosch123> the content gui in game says 350 KiB, while the file is actually about 1MB 19:02:40 <frosch123> even the download progress window says 358 KiB, while the file on disk is way bigger 19:04:04 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5777.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:04:42 <frosch123> oh, via the website i actually get the 358 KiB file 19:05:14 <frosch123> oh, silly me, that's the compressed size 19:05:51 *** Chris_Booth[ph]_ [~chrisboot@31.73.194.32] has joined #openttd 19:07:36 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 19:07:40 * andythenorth destroys a form generator 19:07:43 <LordAro> silly question: how do i add 2 strings together in OTTD? i realise there's something different to normal... 19:08:27 *** Chris_Booth[ph] [~chrisboot@host81-154-231-254.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 19:08:29 *** Chris_Booth[ph]_ is now known as Chris_Booth[ph] 19:08:35 <andythenorth> sometimes magic is too much hassle 19:08:54 <andythenorth> 'look at me, I can add a field throughout the app with just changing one dict 19:09:01 <andythenorth> until you want custom cases :P 19:09:08 *** Chris_Booth[ph] [~chrisboot@31.73.194.32] has quit [] 19:09:13 <andythenorth> then the custom case code ends up longer than the non-magic code for all fields 19:11:47 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 19:17:17 <Eddi|zuHause> that's why the first thing i did was to allow including custom code files in CETS for any vehicle 19:18:44 <andythenorth> I could have done that here 19:18:52 <andythenorth> "This field is defined elsewhere" :P 19:19:12 <Alberth> LordAro: add? 19:19:13 * andythenorth was young when he wrote this code originally 19:19:42 <Alberth> in general, create new space, and use stre* functions to copy into the new space 19:26:37 *** szaman [szaman@merkury.cenzor.pl] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 19:32:34 <LordAro> Alberth: that so :L 19:32:41 <LordAro> s/that/thought/ 19:32:43 <LordAro> hmm... 19:35:07 *** szaman [szaman@merkury.cenzor.pl] has joined #openttd 19:46:57 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:47:18 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 19:48:23 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-231-254.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:52:22 <LordAro> gah, why/where is this->filename set to NULL/"" ?? 19:52:48 <Alberth> it has no filename? 19:54:38 <LordAro> apparently 19:54:55 <LordAro> it has a filename when initially downloaded, but it seems to get removed for unknown reasons... 19:57:35 <frosch123> it's the target filename, not the source filename 19:58:18 <LordAro> but they are the same, no? 19:59:52 <Alberth> good night 20:00:05 <frosch123> is it even the filename of the actualy grf, or is it rather the name of the tar? 20:00:15 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has left #openttd [] 20:00:30 <frosch123> because name of tar has no meaning except for download 20:01:24 <LordAro> the .tar, i think (but without extension) 20:01:29 <LordAro> sucks :( 20:02:14 <LordAro> any other advise as to how to do it? 20:03:50 *** TomyLobo2 [~foo@91-66-115-249-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 20:04:25 <frosch123> still the same as earlier :p 20:06:23 <LordAro> ok, so a combination of md5sum and grfid/shortname 20:06:40 <LordAro> any functions you can point me in the direction of? 20:07:56 *** mahmoud [~KEM@AClermont-Ferrand-552-1-254-127.w86-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:09:02 <frosch123> the same which check whether the content is already present 20:09:28 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-66-115-249-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:09:28 *** TomyLobo2 is now known as TomyLobo 20:09:28 <LordAro> but they don't return anything :( 20:09:47 <frosch123> then make them return something 20:10:39 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has joined #openttd 20:11:09 <Wolf01> evenink o/ 20:11:19 <LordAro> but there's lots of them... 20:11:28 * LordAro is lazy 20:12:13 <frosch123> then unify them :p 20:12:37 <frosch123> he, you get an opportunity to learn working with mercurial queues, if you haven't yet :) 20:14:42 <LordAro> they're easy enough :P 20:14:54 <LordAro> but involves work :P 20:15:27 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I need a bit more information to answer that question :P 20:15:52 <frosch123> FIRS Industry Replacement Set 0.7.5 11202 times F1250005 GPL v2 20:16:04 *** ludde [~b@c80-217-210-102.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 20:16:11 <ludde> hello 20:16:18 <frosch123> hi ludde 20:16:20 <TrueBrain> owh noes, its a ludde 20:16:34 <ludde> how do I play against an AI these days.. do I need to download a package? 20:16:54 <TrueBrain> frosch123: any more info? What doesn't work? How doesn't it work? Where does it go wrong? What does work? 20:17:14 <TrueBrain> ludde: via online content (ingame), download some AIs, configure your game to use them, and start a new game :) 20:17:15 <ludde> TrueBrain: "a ludde" I'm "the ludde" 20:17:21 <frosch123> https://secure.openttd.org/bugs/task/5231 <- we only have that 20:17:26 <frosch123> i cannot reproduce the issue myself 20:17:35 <frosch123> so i was wondering if maybe some mirror is misssynced 20:17:54 <ludde> TrueBrain: which AI should I pick to get an enjoyable game? Is the default AI no longer available? 20:18:01 <TrueBrain> ludde: no clue, and no 20:18:07 <TrueBrain> it cheated wayyyyy too much :) 20:18:12 <frosch123> use "admiral" or "simple AI" 20:18:20 <TrueBrain> frosch123: I have no clue why it would fail. Seems to be a client bug 20:18:23 <TrueBrain> ask Rubidium? 20:18:32 <frosch123> "nocab" if you want a really competitive ai 20:18:51 <frosch123> TrueBrain: two people had the issue, i don't have any issue 20:19:04 <TrueBrain> *shrug* 20:19:25 <frosch123> but ok, let's check whether they are able to post the md5 of the file they got 20:19:27 <TrueBrain> if they can download it, and the file is correct on the mirrors, I can only guess it is a client issue 20:19:31 <TrueBrain> not a service issue :) 20:19:50 <ludde> TrueBrain: do you usually have many luddes in here? 20:20:15 <planetmaker> :-D 20:20:31 <TrueBrain> ludde: aren't we all in some way a descendant of you? 20:20:49 <TrueBrain> (where "we" is anyone working on OpenTTD) 20:21:29 <Eddi|zuHause> and here i was thinking i know very well whom i descended from, and there comes you with a new theory... 20:21:34 <ludde> maybe 20:21:43 <ludde> can I get it to invert the mouse somehow, when dragging the map 20:21:52 <frosch123> yes, adv. setting 20:21:54 <ludde> ty 20:21:56 <Eddi|zuHause> we used to have an option for that 20:22:29 <TrueBrain> ludde: so what brings you here to play OpenTTD? 20:22:31 <Eddi|zuHause> for somebody who coded this you sound awfully like a total noob :p 20:22:46 <ludde> TrueBrain: it's been so many years, i wanted to try it out a bit. 20:22:53 <Xaroth> o/ 20:23:02 <TrueBrain> so much has changed ... yet nothing has changed :P 20:23:03 <ludde> Eddi|zuHause: I stopped working on it like 10 years ago 20:23:08 <TrueBrain> you should try a 32bpp grf, that would be funny :) 20:23:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i know :) 20:23:20 <TrueBrain> 10 years? Pff ... more like .. 7? 8? :P 20:23:26 <ludde> TrueBrain: ok maybe :) 20:23:37 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm here for 6 years, and you were already gone by then 20:23:40 <ludde> proably stopped before 2004 20:23:55 <TrueBrain> I joined March 2004, and you okay'd my first patches :P 20:23:56 <ludde> is 32bpp nice? is there a complete gfx set in 32bpp? 20:23:59 <TrueBrain> so easy to remember for me :D 20:24:18 <Eddi|zuHause> no, only very few bits are in 32bpp 20:24:37 <Eddi|zuHause> e.g. the development version of OpenGFX+Trains 20:24:46 <Chris_Booth> ludde: join an MP game 20:24:57 <Chris_Booth> make some new online friends 20:25:01 <TrueBrain> so how have you been ludde? 20:26:02 <planetmaker> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-trains/nightlies/r691/ <-- this 32bpp should work (ogfx+trains) 20:26:25 <ludde> i'm good 20:26:32 <ludde> i work with spotify these days 20:26:42 <FLHerne> ludde: Thanks for making the game in the first place :-) 20:26:47 <TrueBrain> isn't spotify done by now? :P 20:27:00 <TrueBrain> you have been working there for a few years now, not? 20:27:08 <ludde> yes, since 2006/2007 20:27:11 <TrueBrain> I remember you promoted it here a few years ago :D 20:27:49 <TrueBrain> today I read in a tech-site in this country that the movie business should take a hard look how Spotify changed how music is downloaded, from illegal to legal 20:28:09 <TrueBrain> and come with their own variant to make that happen for movies 20:28:15 <Xaroth> shame they went full up hooking into fb though, but i can understand it from their side 20:28:18 <TrueBrain> instead of bitching about the illegal downloads :P 20:28:23 *** kkimlabs__ [~kkimlabs@VPNRASA-WLAN-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:29:00 <Xaroth> heh, his host is IN FULL CAPS 20:29:17 <TrueBrain> I told him 2 days ago 20:29:31 <TrueBrain> some sysop got bored I guess .. its NewYork .. 20:29:35 <Xaroth> yeh 20:29:38 <Xaroth> land of skyscrapers 20:31:46 <TrueBrain> time to sleep; nice to see you again ludde, and enjoy a game of TT :D 20:32:44 <LordAro> :O ludde 20:33:23 * NGC3982 takes on the job of creating a decent android port. 20:33:37 <Eddi|zuHause> TrueBrain: there was actually a study here that said the total amount collected through punishing illegal downloads actually surpasses the total amount collected for the whole music industry 20:33:37 <Xaroth> port of what? 20:34:07 <frosch123> Xaroth: javascript 20:34:35 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-122-242.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:34:41 <Xaroth> frosch123: cows 20:36:15 <Eddi|zuHause> he means run android with a NAND-signals-processor in OpenTTD :) 20:36:45 <NGC3982> :D 20:37:22 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: i would not be impressed by that :p 20:37:23 *** Wakou [~stephen@host86-129-34-31.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:37:34 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: yes. it would be totally slow :p 20:41:12 <FLHerne> I wonder if it would be possible to simulate Minecraft on OTTD :P 20:41:41 <FLHerne> Would be the opposite of the simulate-everything-in Minecraft mania... :D 20:42:06 <Eddi|zuHause> FLHerne: we've had that for way longer than minecraft exists 20:43:25 <NGC3982> planetmaker: http://scienceblog.com/55392/astronomers-discover-houdini-like-vanishing-act-in-space/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+scienceblogrssfeed+%28ScienceBlog.com%29 20:43:34 <NGC3982> planetmaker: have you read about this? 20:45:25 <FLHerne> Eddi|zuHause: The ability to simulate Minecraft, or the obsession to simulate things with it? 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