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A link! 02:02:43 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.139.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:02:48 <DDR> bbl, dinner. 02:25:46 *** pugi_ [~pugi@host-091-097-055-188.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 02:31:44 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-057-112.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:31:46 *** pugi_ is now known as pugi 02:44:03 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-055-188.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 03:15:17 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@dsl-149-87-36.hive.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:16:48 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@dsl-149-87-36.hive.is] has joined #openttd 03:28:17 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.77.136] has joined #openttd 03:28:17 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.77.136] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:31:51 *** Jupix2 [~jupix@88.193.17.110] has joined #openttd 03:34:29 *** Jupix [~jupix@88.193.17.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:35:28 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.139.143] has joined #openttd 03:35:39 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:37:49 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@dsl-149-87-36.hive.is] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:39:18 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@dsl-149-87-36.hive.is] has joined #openttd 03:46:34 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 04:29:56 *** Dr_Tan [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 04:31:06 *** Dr_Tan is now known as Nat_aS 04:37:00 *** Wakou [~stephen@host86-129-34-31.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 04:37:04 *** NataS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:44:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC675F2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:45:05 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5EA9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 04:59:15 *** kkimlabs__ [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 04:59:15 *** kkimlabs_ [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:12:22 *** KylieBrooks [Kylie@CPE18593346e177-CM18593346e174.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 05:13:34 *** Kylie [Kylie@CPE18593346e177-CM18593346e174.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:37:48 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590d58aa.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 05:38:32 *** NataS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 05:45:58 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:51:27 *** kkimlabs__ [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:56:38 *** cmircea_ [~cmircea@79.117.155.50] has joined #openttd 06:01:28 *** NataS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 06:01:34 *** NataS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 06:11:03 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:14:33 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:22:29 <andythenorth> hi 06:23:31 <frosch123> hola 06:28:20 * andythenorth contempates a frosch246 06:29:03 <andythenorth> * contemplates 06:30:11 *** dfox [~dfox@rei.ipv6.dfox.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:38:41 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has joined #openttd 06:38:44 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 06:38:49 <frosch123> morning albert 06:38:55 <Alberth> moin 06:50:45 <planetmaker> moin 06:51:35 *** dfox [~dfox@rei.ipv6.dfox.org] has joined #openttd 06:52:07 <Terkhen> good morning 06:53:34 <Wakou> Hi folks 06:53:39 <Alberth> hi 06:54:06 <Wakou> Do newgrfs auto-update if there is a new version? 06:54:24 <Alberth> no, openttd does not phone home unless you tell it to 06:54:43 <Terkhen> as long as the author uploads the updated version to the online content and you click on "update all content", they will update 06:54:46 <Alberth> also, in running games, updating newgrfs is not possible 06:55:04 <Alberth> you you can use newer versions only in a new game 06:55:30 <Wakou> So if one of you clever types is working on say 32pp graphics, how do I get them? 06:55:58 <andythenorth> is new FISH done yet? 06:56:27 <Alberth> download the newgrf, install it from the intro menu, and start a new game, would be the way 06:56:39 <Terkhen> andythenorth: andythenorth is the person who develops FISH, give him a highlight and he'll answer you when he's not busy 06:57:08 <Alberth> hi andy, he was shipping stuff, but it seemed not fishy 06:57:08 <planetmaker> :-) 06:59:02 <Alberth> Wakou: normally, new releases are also posted in the forum 06:59:17 * andythenorth wonders if it's ok to bug andythenorth about FISH 07:01:04 <Alberth> he's a friendly chap, just tends to wander off every now and then to take care of RL stuff 07:01:26 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 07:01:27 *** sla_ro|vista [slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 07:01:34 * andythenorth wonders where the baby is going 07:01:42 <andythenorth> he can only crawl backwards right now 07:01:44 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [] 07:02:06 <andythenorth> think he's getting stuck behind a door 07:02:06 <Alberth> you should learn him to switch gears :) 07:02:20 *** sla_ro|vista is now known as sla_ro|master 07:02:49 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 07:02:53 <Alberth> teach, even :) 07:10:30 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has joined #openttd 07:10:41 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has joined #openttd 07:10:42 <Wolf01> morning o/ 07:11:15 <dihedral> good morning 07:12:14 <Terkhen> good morning dihedral and Wolf01 07:14:29 <dihedral> I have been thinking about FS #4632 and the more I look at it, the more I come to the conclusion not to change it :-P 07:15:51 <Alberth> the problem was querying company money? 07:16:00 <dihedral> company value 07:16:56 <dihedral> I was trying to find a suitable place in the CompanyMonthlyLoop when looping over all companies is done already anyway, in order to call c.cur_economy.company_value = CalculateCompanyValue(c); 07:17:34 <dihedral> and use c.cur_economy.company_value then also in the output of the console command, and provide access to the value to the game scripts 07:18:04 <dihedral> but then the performance field of cur_economy would need updating also 07:19:03 <Alberth> ah, yes, I was wondering whether a script could get it, as it can become a company, but not, apparently 07:19:43 <dihedral> the only other place where the value is realtime, is in the company details window on the client side 07:20:11 <Wakou> Alberth, sorry to be an idiot, but I have eg http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-trains/nightlies/r703/ 07:20:13 <Alberth> people should use a web cam :) 07:20:23 <Wakou> All seem to be empty files? 07:20:28 <dihedral> Alberth, LOL 07:20:48 <Alberth> Wakou: seems that way 07:21:08 <Wakou> So my r691 is the last working one? 07:21:18 <Terkhen> Wakou: you might want to ask at the OpenGFX+ Trains thread 07:21:28 * Terkhen does not know which one work and which one does not 07:21:41 <Wakou> Terkhen: Alberth TY 07:21:45 <Alberth> Wakou: r691 rings a bell with me 07:22:00 <Alberth> There are some problems w.r.t. storage at the site 07:22:11 <Terkhen> but if we judge from file size... yes, r691 looks more correct than newer ones 07:23:56 <Terkhen> Wakou: I remember something about a backup server holding newer nightlies; if I'm not misremembering the link should be at the forum thread 07:23:59 <Alberth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1030871#p1030871 <-- Wakou 07:25:58 <Wakou> Alberth: TY.. 07:27:06 <Alberth> iirc, you may also want to investigate the new eGRVTS, it was also updated with 32bpp I think 07:27:51 <Alberth> or at least, there were discussions about it, and it got resolved :) 07:28:20 <Wakou> I have asked before, but in case other people are here, is there a way, (CLI option?) to disable the sounds at the 'splash screen' stage.. or even 'pause' the splash screen? 07:29:36 <Alberth> not possible afaik 07:33:17 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: you know what would be useful? if you could comment a revision directly (e.g. have a button to create a ticket for this revision) 07:34:19 <dihedral> and link it back to the view of the revision :-P 07:34:42 <dihedral> i.e. this revision has following tickets :-P 07:43:06 <Eddi|zuHause> well, that is already possible (if there is already a ticket, you can link the revision to it) 07:44:48 <Eddi|zuHause> (by giving the ticket number in the commit message) 07:47:50 <dihedral> uh - ah, ok :) 07:48:25 <planetmaker> Fix #4302 (r234): Fixed stuff 07:50:39 <Eddi|zuHause> there's also a variant where you don't close the ticket, but i forgot which keywords to use there 07:50:50 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause: I activated the module "code reviews" now with CETS. Now browse the repo and find in the far right the possibility to open a review for that particular file and revision 07:51:11 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: thanks, will check it out later 07:53:56 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:54:18 <planetmaker> wrt closing: A commit message starting with either of "fixes,closes,fix,close,bug,fixed" closes 07:54:41 <planetmaker> a commit message with either of "refs,references,Issue,add,updated,part of,part,*" references (thus anything which reads like rXXX) 07:55:10 <planetmaker> uhm... not rXXX but #XXX 07:55:52 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the trac plugin that i once used allowed things like (fix #AAA, ref #BBB) where it closes one ticket and leaves open the other 07:56:03 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:56:13 <planetmaker> that might not be feasible here now 07:56:20 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure if this one does that 07:56:22 <planetmaker> but I didn't try 07:58:10 *** mal2_ [~mal2@port-92-206-34-246.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:03:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i vaguely remember the documentation saying it did not 08:03:29 <Eddi|zuHause> but i'm really not sure 08:09:58 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 08:14:11 <andythenorth> ho 08:14:14 <andythenorth> special cases :P 08:14:28 <andythenorth> "special cases will be the death of your nice framework" 08:19:54 <andythenorth> why did I make hydrofoils lift out of the water when they are at speed? :P 08:20:02 <andythenorth> that's a whole extra template :P 08:25:51 *** cmircea_ is now known as cmircea 08:25:53 <cmircea> is TrueBrain around? 08:26:24 <cmircea> !seen TrueBrain 08:26:30 <Rubidium> he's like Shroedinger's cat 08:26:33 <cmircea> hmm 08:26:45 <cmircea> bot commands start with? 08:27:14 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: he's either here or not here, but every time you actively look for him, he's gone? 08:27:37 <Rubidium> basically, yes ;) 08:27:45 <Alberth> cmircea: the last time he said something is not much of an indiaction whether he is around 08:27:52 <cmircea> Alberth, true 08:28:29 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: but if it's several weeks or months ago, it might indicate rather not :( 08:28:29 <Rubidium> also, it's a meta question for the real question you wanted to ask 08:28:49 <Eddi|zuHause> well, this is also a metadiscussion :) 08:28:57 <Alberth> yeah, if you want something of him, just state what you want, and then wait 08:29:02 <Eddi|zuHause> so he got what he asked for :) 08:29:19 <Eddi|zuHause> i just read "and then quit" :p 08:30:34 <cmircea> Alberth, TrueBrain, well this: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=61282&p=1032920#p1032920 08:31:14 <Alberth> andythenorth: ^ you involved in this too? 08:32:02 <andythenorth> yes / not really 08:32:28 <Alberth> cmircea: in general, it is much better to ask in general, then just for a single person, unless you KNOW he's the only one that can give you answers 08:32:43 <cmircea> Alberth, I asked on the forums, just wanted to point him to that. 08:32:52 <andythenorth> he was around yesterday or so 08:33:01 <andythenorth> he'll be here when he wants to be here ;) And otherwise not 08:33:10 <Rubidium> well, two main things: 08:33:33 <Rubidium> #1 we run our own server, so I see no need to use other external services to run a part of our website 08:34:09 <Rubidium> #2 the server doesn't run Windows, so Microsoft technology might not be that well supported (if supported at all) 08:34:19 <cmircea> Rubidium, Mono. 08:34:24 <Rubidium> and then some minor thing: 08:34:57 <Rubidium> #3 you need to implement the 'look' of the website again, thus significantly increasing the amount of work 08:35:22 <Rubidium> #4 currently it's implemented in django and I think it will stay that way in the forseeable future 08:35:35 <cmircea> Rubidium, TB hinted that the current design is terrible and should be changed though. 08:36:07 <cmircea> Rubidium, fair points though. Mono does run MVC 3 web apps just fine though. 08:36:10 <Eddi|zuHause> "design" might have referred to the code, not the visual stuff 08:36:12 <Rubidium> cmircea: yes, so an ill designed .NET application must be written in something else? 08:36:21 <Rubidium> s/written/rewritten/ 08:36:29 <Rubidium> (for it to become well designed) 08:36:41 <cmircea> Eddi|zuHause, no, the look: "For night and year BaNaNaS has a frontend. It is ugly. It is terrible. I have seen all kind of words describing it, most my own. Sadly, I am not a designer, nor do I pretend to be one" 08:36:50 <cmircea> Rubidium, not really, but it was an offer. 08:36:57 *** ludde [~b@c80-217-210-102.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 08:37:13 <andythenorth> TB said it would stay in Django 08:37:17 <andythenorth> I asked him 08:37:23 <andythenorth> means I have to learn Django :P 08:37:32 <Rubidium> cmircea: reading that quote, the main thing TB seems to be asking for is the (user interface) design 08:37:41 <cmircea> Yeah I know. 08:38:22 * andythenorth wtfs at something local 08:38:45 <andythenorth> ah 08:38:52 * Rubidium wonders whether that's actual (baby) shit hitting an actual fan ;) 08:38:53 <andythenorth> numbers cannot be identifiers in nml :P 08:39:21 <Alberth> they are already used as numbers :) 08:40:00 <andythenorth> how droll :P 08:41:11 <cmircea> Rubidium, but yeah, BaNaNaS needs significant changes. Right now I don't see it as more than a directory on steroids. 08:41:23 <cmircea> Usable... but not great. 08:41:48 * andythenorth deliberately breaks the nml sprite templates :P 08:41:55 <Alberth> start with a design of the UI? 08:42:08 * Alberth gives andythenorth some glue 08:42:24 <andythenorth> ugh 08:42:30 <andythenorth> don't start with ui design ;) 08:42:38 <andythenorth> what the entities in play? 08:42:44 <andythenorth> what workflows must be supported? 08:42:50 <andythenorth> workflow / fun :P 08:43:01 <Alberth> that's not design? 08:43:09 <andythenorth> it is to me :) 08:43:26 <Alberth> I fully agree with that :) 08:43:28 * andythenorth causes nml assertions 08:43:45 <Alberth> NML bugs! 08:43:51 <andythenorth> my fault 08:44:03 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/hkNhG.jpg 08:44:21 <Alberth> it's still a bug, as NML should not assert, but give you an error message 08:46:46 <andythenorth> yeah, it's not making debugging easy :) 08:46:49 <andythenorth> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1517/ 08:46:54 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 08:47:01 <andythenorth> kind of stumped right now 08:50:56 <Alberth> add a print repr(string_id) just above the assert 08:51:59 <Alberth> isn't there an option to dump the stack trace? 08:53:00 <Alberth> yes, add an -s option (--stack) 08:53:40 <andythenorth> ok so it was missing strings 08:53:56 <andythenorth> not sure how to patch nml correctly to warn of that 08:54:09 <Hirundo> Just file a bug report 08:54:27 <Alberth> can you make an example spec? 08:54:43 <Hirundo> And of course, thou shalt not have missing strings 08:54:55 <andythenorth> I can post instructions on how to reproduce :P 08:55:14 <Alberth> "hire andy for testing" :D 08:55:41 <andythenorth> feel like I should patch nml for this, but I only have 2-3 mins at a time for coding 08:55:45 <andythenorth> then I get interrupted 08:56:48 *** Mucht [~Martin@chello084115143107.3.graz.surfer.at] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:17 <Alberth> given there is an assert here, there should be a check before somewhere to catch your case. 09:02:55 <andythenorth> something like: if not string_id in blah raise foo 09:02:59 <andythenorth> or similar 09:03:00 <andythenorth> ? 09:04:47 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 09:05:48 <Alberth> like I said, your case is not expected to get there, and should have been caught somewhere before 09:06:11 *** mal2_ [~mal2@port-92-206-34-246.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:06:26 <Alberth> ie assert x means "we really don't expect x to ever fail" 09:07:19 <andythenorth> hmm, cropped ships in the buy menu doesn't look brilliant 09:07:27 <andythenorth> nvm, it is what it is 09:08:36 <Alberth> sounds like a tricky problem, in essence you want a small version of your ship 09:09:02 <andythenorth> paddle steamer: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3114/cropped_buy_menu.png 09:09:12 <andythenorth> scaled looks bad, that's been tried before 09:09:18 <andythenorth> cropped is better 09:09:37 <andythenorth> but some of the crops will look odd because they'll show only hull, no cabin etc 09:10:00 <andythenorth> the alternative is to patch nml for setx 09:12:39 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:13:04 <Hirundo> Such a patch will only be accepted iff OpenTTD considers it the right thing (tm) to do 09:13:26 <andythenorth> it has to, it's in the newgrf spec ;) 09:13:32 <Hirundo> no 09:13:45 <andythenorth> this newgrf spec thing is quite variable isn't it :) 09:13:49 <Hirundo> newgrf spec allows overwriting action bytes with action6, doesn't mean we have to support that 09:13:56 <andythenorth> some things may never be changed lest they break old grfs 09:13:59 <andythenorth> other things may be :P 09:15:58 <andythenorth> currently lack of setx 'blocks' porting FISH to nml 09:16:09 <andythenorth> except I don't think I actually care ;) 09:16:57 <Hirundo> Alberth: Is setx actually the recommended way of doing buy menu offsets? 09:17:31 <Alberth> not in my book 09:17:50 <Alberth> but I am not sure what to do 09:18:27 <Alberth> eg is it OK to allow newgrf authors to provide a 600 pixel sprite in the buy menu? 09:18:32 <andythenorth> no 09:18:37 <andythenorth> setx is a bad and silly feature 09:18:48 <andythenorth> it gives the buy menu a ragged edge that I dislike 09:19:01 <andythenorth> newgrf authors should crop 09:19:15 <andythenorth> and they should consider the wisdom of providing sprites that are too big 09:19:16 <Alberth> so I think you have to set some fixed limit 09:19:41 <Alberth> where 70? pixels seems as good as any 09:19:49 <andythenorth> 70px is fine 09:19:55 <andythenorth> "sprite doesn't fit the buy menu" -> your sprite is too big, reconsider your grf 09:20:37 <Alberth> the other option is to move texts after checking the sprite sizes, but you still need some sane upper limit imho 09:20:48 <andythenorth> 70px ;) 09:21:06 <andythenorth> the oversized sprites in FISH cause other problems, e.g. flickering in game, overlapping scenery etc 09:21:23 <andythenorth> being too big for the buy menu indicates they are realy a bad idea 09:21:28 <andythenorth> *really 09:21:29 <Alberth> in which case you may as well put the text there always, which returns you to the fixed size solution 09:21:31 <frosch123> someone also suggested to draw the selected engine image below the list in the details 09:21:47 <andythenorth> uses too much vertical space 09:21:58 <planetmaker> below as in the z-axis. text on top? 09:22:12 <andythenorth> oh that was FooBar's request 09:22:17 <planetmaker> hm.. also ambiguous. Written over 09:22:19 <andythenorth> I was thinking below in the y plane 09:22:49 <Alberth> and as 70px is as good as any, the only thing left to do seems to remove the setx support in the buy menu 09:22:53 <andythenorth> yup 09:22:57 <andythenorth> and wait for complaints 09:23:23 <planetmaker> you know... there's no course of action which won't cause complaints 09:23:57 <Alberth> I rather set a recommendation in the newgrf spec and have newgrf authors refrain from using setx hacks 09:24:05 <andythenorth> I like remove setx, it's a good measure of how much people care 09:24:25 <andythenorth> complaints = conversation = interesting 09:24:54 <planetmaker> It was only left as it broke buy menus of some NewGRFs iirc 09:25:00 <Alberth> it's not worth a big fight imho 09:25:24 <planetmaker> but I don't recall which. Most likely 2ccTS and some CanSet 09:25:32 <planetmaker> no, it's not worth it 09:25:32 <andythenorth> and FISH 09:25:38 <planetmaker> :-) 09:26:12 <planetmaker> But FISH has an author who involves himself constructively in discussions and puts moaning aside even when he doesn't like the outcome too much ;-) 09:26:45 <andythenorth> breaks AV8 too 09:26:56 <planetmaker> hm, that, too 09:27:06 <andythenorth> [shrug] 09:27:20 <Alberth> displaying it elsewhere seems like a good direction to me 09:27:29 <planetmaker> it = ? 09:27:39 *** APTX_ [APTX@89-78-217-144.dynamic.chello.pl] has joined #openttd 09:27:40 <andythenorth> breaks NARS 2 as well 09:28:17 <planetmaker> but would it break, if the sprites are assumed fixed width and text drawn right of it (or left for rtl)? 09:28:41 *** APTX [APTX@aptx.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:28:48 <andythenorth> it would 'break' as in, the spec changed 09:28:55 <andythenorth> and the grf no longer works as intended 09:29:05 <andythenorth> it wouldn't break in any significant way 09:29:46 <planetmaker> vehicles have a purchase menu sprite and a name. Both need be associated. But... that won't break, will it? 09:30:25 <andythenorth> only the positioning 09:30:42 <Alberth> http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/display_example.png eg a different game display the object next to the list of objecst to pick from 09:30:55 <andythenorth> like stations 09:31:10 <andythenorth> I would miss sprites in the buy menu. Just text is a bit meh 09:31:34 <Alberth> we'd keep sprites imho, but also display the "real" thing 09:31:49 <Alberth> that makes authors not want to use the real thing in the menu, I think 09:32:13 <andythenorth> do we have screen space spare? 09:32:19 <planetmaker> andythenorth: sure, sprites msut be kept 09:32:28 <planetmaker> I didn't suggest skipping those :-) 09:32:38 <Alberth> I was wondering about that too, it needs rethinking buy menu layout 09:33:01 <andythenorth> k, so limit max width of sprites in rows, add a new bigger sprite display when selected 09:33:23 <andythenorth> layout: simples 09:33:28 <Alberth> what if we give 2 lines to each vehicle, one for the sprite and the text under it? 09:33:31 <andythenorth> move the stats and picture to the right 09:33:43 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-11-53.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 09:33:45 <andythenorth> most screens are landscape orientated, vertical space is at a premium 09:33:48 <planetmaker> Alberth: that would only lengthen the purchase list. Which is already very long 09:34:00 <planetmaker> I don't see an issue with side-by-side for one vehicle 09:34:12 <andythenorth> remove the info from the bottom provides more vertical space, then add a panel to the right for the details 09:34:29 <andythenorth> also 'rename' 09:34:34 * andythenorth -> photoshop 09:41:26 <planetmaker> yep. The detail info right or left (like newgrf list) is the window type which fits screen best 09:43:12 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-66-115-249-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 09:43:51 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3115/buy_menu_rework.png 09:43:58 <andythenorth> kind of sucks 09:44:05 <andythenorth> but only because it's not finished ; 09:44:27 <planetmaker> yes, like that. Still, the main list imho must contain sprites, too 09:44:37 <planetmaker> I only remember vehicles by their image. Not the name 09:45:29 <Alberth> planetmaker: look at the right :) 09:45:49 <planetmaker> Alberth: that means I have to click on each item to see the image. Much more click 09:45:49 <Alberth> but we can keep the buy menu sprites :) 09:46:18 <planetmaker> but I'm all for a standard purchase list sprite size 09:46:48 <planetmaker> or at least a max purchase list sprite width and a normed max height 09:47:10 <Alberth> Hirundo: does that answer your question? :) 09:47:19 <planetmaker> though I can also see the adv. in a text only list 09:47:30 <andythenorth> advanced setting :P 09:47:45 <Alberth> you'd need hover then for the image 09:48:08 <planetmaker> oh no. I rather have a text only list than an adv. setting for that :-) 09:48:27 <Hirundo> Alberth: Most excellently 09:48:41 <Hirundo> IMO there should be a small sprite in the list, and a (possibly) larger sprite in the side panel 09:48:57 <Hirundo> var10/18 can be used for that 09:49:03 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:49:41 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Your paddle steamer is a stationary cargo hovercraft??? :P 09:52:43 <andythenorth> we don't have any kind of precedent for that hanging panel I've drawn 09:53:18 <Hirundo> it should not be hanging, list and side panel height would be equal 09:53:43 <andythenorth> that's my conclusion too 09:53:58 <FLHerne> You could make it like the station menu, and display sprites for multiple directions? 09:54:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AD82.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:54:15 <andythenorth> yes 09:54:22 <andythenorth> then I could buy vehicles for multiple directions 09:54:28 <andythenorth> I have been missing that feature 09:54:33 <Hirundo> :p 09:55:18 <FLHerne> So that players can see what the boat looks like from multiple directions, I mean :D 09:55:41 <FLHerne> Or display variations for different cargos? 09:55:44 <andythenorth> planetmaker: a text-only buy menu would be similar in essentials to this existing window http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3116/buy_menu_foo.png 09:55:53 <andythenorth> FLHerne: available livery refits? :P 09:55:57 <Hirundo> That would be up to the grf author, he can decide what to show in that sprite 09:57:45 <Alberth> animated gif :p 09:57:51 <FLHerne> With a window like that, the author could display multiple sprites for each boat, which would be useful when they change appearance on refit 10:00:12 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-11-53.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:00:32 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-11-53.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 10:01:15 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-11-53.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [] 10:01:47 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-055-188.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 10:02:14 <andythenorth> could also show the inevitable 32bpp sprites 10:02:17 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 10:02:27 <andythenorth> and loads of flags and all the other crap 10:05:48 <Alberth> could be interesting at 8bpp :) 10:07:21 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-11-53.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 10:07:26 <frosch123> yeah, make the vehicle rotate on some kind of podium in the details 10:07:37 <frosch123> that'll make it look like a website from 2000 10:09:42 <andythenorth> we already have <blink>, so why not 10:09:52 * andythenorth often makes sprites with <blink> 10:12:04 *** cmircea [~cmircea@79.117.155.50] has quit [Quit: What? WAIT noooo don't pull that pl...] 10:12:24 <frosch123> actually, the sprite in the purchase list should be animated while selected 10:12:53 <frosch123> or when hovering the mouse? 10:13:24 <FLHerne> Can the industry purchase list have sprites? :P 10:14:57 <frosch123> you can't even select the layout 10:15:18 <FLHerne> Why not? :P 10:15:33 <andythenorth> because nobody wants to code it 10:15:54 <FLHerne> Seems reasonable... :-( 10:24:13 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c83-253-89-11.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 10:25:07 <dihedral> \o/ found a bug in my bot, where when a monthly job runs at the beginning of the quarter, it gets parsed before the new date gets parsed... yay! 10:26:51 <TrueBrain> lol, did this dude serious suggest using Amazing S3 and some unknown hosting party? How hard can you misread a topic :D 10:27:00 <TrueBrain> also lol @ using C# for a website ... 10:27:03 <TrueBrain> why not C++? :) 10:27:10 <TrueBrain> or VB? 10:27:17 <TrueBrain> even Perl would be better :D 10:27:22 <Alberth> haskell ? 10:27:29 <frosch123> is there a vb to llvm compiler? 10:27:40 * NGC3982 is actually taking classes in C# after being shitstormed in this channel. 10:28:07 <TrueBrain> NGC3982: nothing wrong with C# 10:28:14 <TrueBrain> just .... use a language for its goal :) 10:28:18 <TrueBrain> websites is not a goal :P 10:28:35 <NGC3982> hehe 10:28:38 * NGC3982 has no clue. 10:28:40 <TrueBrain> (well, "nothing" ... it still is a MS language) 10:29:08 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c83-253-89-11.bredband.comhem.se] has left #openttd [] 10:29:13 <TrueBrain> it comes from the same people who thin IE9 supports enough CSS3 and HTML5 to be AWESOME 10:29:22 <NGC3982> :) 10:29:42 <Alberth> TrueBrain: not entirely true, they hired the creator of Eiffel :) 10:30:20 <Alberth> and the language itself seems nice enough 10:30:38 <TrueBrain> I guess you refer to C#? 10:30:47 <Alberth> although the code blocks all over the place would not be my preference 10:30:50 <Alberth> TrueBrain: yep 10:31:00 <TrueBrain> ah 10:31:05 *** cmircea [~cmircea@79.117.155.50] has joined #openttd 10:31:44 <Alberth> TrueBrain: on the other hand, they also ported C++ to .net, and dropped multi-inheritance :D 10:32:00 <Alberth> as the VM does not handle it :D 10:33:51 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.139.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:33:58 <frosch123> does c# have a preprocessor step? 10:34:18 <Alberth> no 10:34:47 <Alberth> it's basically a newer java, but it is actually moving forwards :) 10:36:47 * dihedral still has hopes for java 10:45:17 <Alberth> their only advantage is the wide platform support 10:45:44 <dihedral> aye 10:49:31 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has joined #openttd 11:02:30 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r24378 /trunk/src/widget.cpp: -Fix [FS#5218]: ReInit could crash for windows with NWidgetMatrix widgets. 11:02:41 *** Chrill [~chrischri@c83-253-89-11.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 11:06:52 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:07:07 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has joined #openttd 11:08:28 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-66-115-249-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 11:10:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 11:13:29 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-139.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 11:15:54 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-46-37.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 11:15:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 11:19:51 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.139.143] has joined #openttd 11:21:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:21:51 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-15-209.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:22:32 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest2413 11:22:32 *** Guest2413 [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:22:33 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:34:05 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db135c1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:35:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AD82.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48:32 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: frosch * r24379 /trunk/src/object_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#5218-ish]: Do not resize the object GUI when selecting objects. 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15:35:59 * frosch123 exorcises ln out of eddi 15:38:47 *** kkimlabs [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 15:39:58 <Eddi|zuHause> you should try exp() to cancel out an ln() :) 15:51:26 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:56:13 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has joined #openttd 15:56:16 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:19:27 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:32:10 <frosch123> does anyone have trouble downloading firs 0.7.5 from bananas using the ingame client? 16:32:37 <frosch123> maybe windows users? 16:33:59 <andythenorth> I don't 16:34:33 <frosch123> apparently some users get a corrupt file which has a different md5sum 16:34:49 <frosch123> but surprisingly the file still seems to be valid 16:35:33 <frosch123> there is no such file on bananas with such md5 as in fs#5231 16:35:52 <frosch123> also the md5 of the devzone download is correct 16:36:08 * andythenorth ponders that the game has three places to keep newgrfs 16:36:14 <andythenorth> took a while to find FIRS :P 16:37:04 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:40:29 <frosch123> maybe there is a virus modifying grfs when downloaded :p 16:47:10 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-139.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:00:21 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:07:02 <andythenorth> blearch 17:07:11 <andythenorth> my ship speed calculation is still clearly quite wrong 17:07:17 <andythenorth> @calc 50 = 56 17:07:17 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1) 17:07:27 <andythenorth> my thoughts too :P 17:07:58 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-173-85.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:08:47 <Alberth> @calc 50 == 56 17:08:47 <DorpsGek> Alberth: 0 17:09:00 <andythenorth> ho 17:09:04 <Alberth> o/ LordAro 17:09:10 <andythenorth> it helps if I configure my set correctly :P 17:09:21 <LordAro> howdy all + Alberth 17:09:25 <andythenorth> I have booleans for 'sea capable' and 'inland capable' 17:09:26 <LordAro> update: 17:09:34 <LordAro> @fs 5236 17:09:34 <DorpsGek> LordAro: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5236 17:09:46 <andythenorth> if they're not checked, I reduce speed by 20% accordingly :P 17:09:52 <andythenorth> or so 17:21:36 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.139.143] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:31:48 * andythenorth considers which ships go faster unladen 17:31:54 <andythenorth> PAX hydrofoils? 17:31:58 <andythenorth> river barges? 17:33:09 <Eddi|zuHause> it doesn't make sense for passengers (because they're rarely fully unladen anyway. and because they don't have such a high weight to make a difference) 17:33:30 <Eddi|zuHause> neither for "vehicle ferry" types 17:33:58 <andythenorth> that's my thinking 17:34:00 <Eddi|zuHause> river barges sounds right, though. and possibly container freighters 17:34:06 <andythenorth> PAX are a negligible fraction of the weight 17:34:07 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r24385 /trunk/src/lang/lithuanian.txt: 17:34:07 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:34:07 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: lithuanian - 90 changes by Stabilitronas 17:35:15 <Eddi|zuHause> so: "vehicle ferries" don't go faster, regardless of which cargo they're refitted to, other freight ships do. 17:35:48 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe ferries should go faster in general, but have lower tonnage 17:37:13 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm worried about the gamebalance of hydrofoils. in my game, i replaced all passenger ferries with hydrofoils at some point, because speed makes all the difference. 17:39:44 <andythenorth> fair point 17:39:52 <andythenorth> can't think of a solution 17:39:59 <andythenorth> actually 17:40:01 <andythenorth> cargo aging 17:40:06 <andythenorth> ever been on a hydrofoil? 17:40:38 <andythenorth> noisy, unpleasant, hot, smells of kerosene 17:40:56 <andythenorth> we did Vienna-Bratislava on an ex-Soviet river hydrofoil 17:41:16 <FLHerne> Uncomfortable at sea, too :-( 17:41:24 <FLHerne> Don't like waves :P 17:41:32 <andythenorth> ? 17:41:33 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 17:41:46 <FLHerne> Hydrofoils :P 17:41:47 * andythenorth though hydrofoils were smoother due to sub-sea foil 17:42:12 <andythenorth> wikipedia probably knows :P 17:42:12 <FLHerne> Depends if the waves are big enough to hit the hull anyway :-( 17:42:41 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-139.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 17:43:39 * andythenorth needs an assistant 17:43:45 <andythenorth> for entering of stats to FISH cms :P 17:44:12 <andythenorth> http://213.133.67.181:8192/zz_dangerous_things/tt_foundry/sets/FISH/list_all_vehicles 17:45:12 <FLHerne> So finding stats, and then sticking them in a table? 17:45:53 <NGC3982> the akward moment when scotty makes his first apperance in star trek tng 17:45:58 * NGC3982 mouth is indeed open. 17:47:23 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: when he reappears out of the transporter? 17:47:32 <NGC3982> yes 17:47:43 <NGC3982> note that i havent seen these episodes before. 17:47:48 <NGC3982> t'was fantastic. 17:48:37 <andythenorth> copying stats out of the nfo 17:48:40 <andythenorth> and pasting them in 17:48:46 <andythenorth> possibly converting hex -> dec 17:48:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i think it was a rather late episode? 17:48:57 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: yes, season six. 17:48:59 <TomyLobo> is it possible to run the simulation as fast as the CPU allows for a few years? 17:49:21 <TomyLobo> like, fast-forward 10 years 17:49:49 * andythenorth should find one of those js edit-table-in-place things 17:49:55 <FLHerne> Isn't that what the fast-forward button's for? 17:50:04 <TomyLobo> FLHerne that's too slow :) 17:50:05 * FLHerne probably just missed the point :P 17:50:07 <Eddi|zuHause> TomyLobo: if you run it headless (-v null) you can specify to run for a fixed number of ticks (that's intended for profiling purposes) 17:50:26 <TomyLobo> ah, how? :) 17:50:35 <TomyLobo> and can i load+save too? 17:51:03 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure if it makes a savegame in the end 17:51:04 <FLHerne> Does fast-forward have a maximum speed limit? My computer would be slower than it anyway, so I don't know :P 17:51:22 <TomyLobo> FLHerne i doubt that. it uses 0% on my comp 17:51:40 <Eddi|zuHause> TomyLobo: but you can arrange the ticks in a way that it would end right after an autosave 17:51:41 <TomyLobo> and mine is very likely not 100 times as fast 17:51:50 <TomyLobo> Eddi|zuHause ah good plan 17:51:52 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: "engineering!? i thought you'd never ask!!" 17:52:16 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: i barely remember these episodes 17:52:38 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: and especially i've never seen them in english 17:52:46 <frosch123> "Forbid trains and ships from making 90° turns" <- is that actually english? shouldn't it be "prevent from" or "forbid to"? 17:53:08 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: oh, i see. 17:53:12 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: well, it sure is a blast. :) 17:53:50 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: and certainly i have no clue which episode belongs to which season 17:54:46 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: i often fail to deduce that, even though ive recently seen it. 17:58:43 <FLHerne> TomyLobo: It doesn't go any quicker on fast-forward than normal. I assume the limit must be higher than that... 17:59:00 <TomyLobo> are you on a 386? 18:00:03 <FLHerne> Nope, P4 18:00:12 <TomyLobo> did you underclock it? 18:00:31 <FLHerne> No, just used it for a while :-) 18:00:35 * NGC3982 used to have a pentium 3 for openttd. 18:00:36 <NGC3982> :( 18:00:44 * FLHerne still has one 18:01:15 <FLHerne> Secondary computer :-) 18:01:50 <TomyLobo> i have 4 cores at 3.2 ghz, makes 12.6 ghz, so to speak... so if you dont have less than 126 mhz (or since p4 is architecturally inferior, let's say 250 mhz), i dont see how you'd be CPU-limited while i dont even use 1% of mine 18:02:43 <FLHerne> Are you sure you're measuring it reliably? Seems impressively low 18:02:48 <TomyLobo> wait, it actually uses 35% now :D 18:03:09 <FLHerne> That convinces me a bit more 18:03:11 <TomyLobo> i.e. more than one core 18:03:52 <FLHerne> Try running it on a 133MHz PPC laptop :D 18:03:57 <FLHerne> Slow... 18:04:07 <TomyLobo> nah, PPCs need to die 18:04:26 * FLHerne objects strongly to that comment 18:04:32 <TomyLobo> no java 1.6 for ppc macs 18:04:33 <FLHerne> PPC is awesome :D 18:04:52 <TomyLobo> that's why minecraft and many mods use java 1.5 18:04:54 <FLHerne> And? Java is hopeless anyway :P 18:04:59 <TomyLobo> and java 1.5 plainly sucks 18:06:29 <FLHerne> Has anyone else tried OTTD on m68k? 18:06:42 <Rubidium> I tried is on S/390 (emulated) 18:06:57 <FLHerne> Didn't work out well for me, perhaps someone else did better :-) 18:07:26 <Rubidium> isn't Amiga m68k? 18:07:41 <FLHerne> Rubidium: What's the point in emulating things to run software that would be fine on the host anyway? :P 18:07:55 <Alberth> Atari ST was, and probably some Amiga too 18:08:04 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:09:57 *** mal2_ [~mal2@port-92-206-34-246.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:10:15 <Rubidium> FLHerne: mainly because I didn't have the money to buy a S/390 18:10:41 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:11:21 <FLHerne> :P 18:11:42 <FLHerne> Why did you want to run OTTD on one anyway? 18:12:46 <Rubidium> because compilation failed on that (and some other architectures) 18:12:52 <Rubidium> and this was the easiest to emulate 18:13:15 <Rubidium> FWIW: a whopping 9 GB disk for a S/390 costs about 500 dollars on ebay 18:13:58 <Rubidium> and only 8k for a single S/390 18:14:53 <Rubidium> but then it's a mainframe from the 1990s 18:14:55 <FLHerne> How did you find out that compilation failed, then? :P 18:15:31 <Alberth> can you run it from a standard power outlet, or do you need to put in extra heavy cabling first? 18:15:37 <Rubidium> FLHerne: https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=openttd 18:16:41 <Alberth> in the latter case, 8k won't be enough then :) 18:17:50 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 18:18:01 * LordAro pokes devs: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5236 18:18:36 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:18:42 <FLHerne> Ah. Is there any way to find out how many people downloaded it for S/390? Probably not a lot... 18:18:55 <frosch123> LordAro: you are on windows, aren't you? 18:19:17 <frosch123> what file do you get when you download firs 0.5 from bananas using the ingame download? 18:20:31 <Rubidium> LordAro: what's the point of that feature? The ones you would like to have the text files of you can't get the text files from 18:26:49 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-173-85.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:29:17 <frosch123> you cannot really blame him for that :p 18:30:03 <frosch123> but yes, bananas should be able to provide the textfiles on their own, just like it should be able to provide 8bpp-only and normal-zoom-only stuff 18:30:13 <Rubidium> no, but this 'feature' makes that terribly clear 18:30:33 <Rubidium> and the main problem with bananas is that it needs a massive rewrite 18:31:32 <Rubidium> I furthermore also wonder how to handle all the asynchronicity and mirrors with pushing all readmes, licenses and such to there as well 18:32:54 <frosch123> why would that need anything special? 18:39:43 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 18:52:55 * andythenorth considers playing the game 18:52:59 <andythenorth> any new features recently? 18:53:56 <frosch123> recently or since you played the last time? 18:54:08 <andythenorth> within last month or so 18:54:58 <frosch123> i think in that time the number of open bugs raised from 20 to 40, else nothing happend :p 18:55:27 <andythenorth> we need new features! 18:55:33 * andythenorth offers to test patches :P 18:56:04 <frosch123> last one was newgrf signals, before that was advanced filtering in newgrf gui and others 18:56:29 <andythenorth> magic routing algorithms? 18:56:32 <andythenorth> for cargo packets? 18:58:52 <frosch123> route them to /dev/null 19:05:42 <andythenorth> bah 19:05:48 <andythenorth> hardly any industries 19:06:03 <andythenorth> don't use FIRS with 'low' 19:06:17 <andythenorth> or with 'normal' 19:06:54 <andythenorth> normal provides far too many 19:06:59 <andythenorth> low provides far too few 19:07:06 <frosch123> the number of industries in total is fixed per setting 19:08:22 <andythenorth> on a none-scientific estimate, 'normal' provides 300% of 'low' 19:08:31 * andythenorth could read the code of course 19:09:31 <frosch123> 10, 25, 55, 80 19:09:52 <frosch123> @calc 55/25 * 100 19:09:52 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 220 19:09:56 <frosch123> only 220% 19:10:22 <andythenorth> :) 19:11:40 * andythenorth doesn't play a game after all 19:31:33 *** CptHindsight [5fa93093@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:35:04 *** CptHindsight [5fa93093@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [] 19:42:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AD82.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:45:53 *** waterfoul [~chatzilla@host-246-5-2-96.midco.net] has joined #openttd 19:46:39 <waterfoul> My trains keep getting stuck at either 0% or 100% after (un)loading... how do I fix them? 19:48:25 <Alberth> do you use time tables? 19:48:37 * waterfoul facepalms 19:48:48 <waterfoul> I turn them on for a few trains and forgot about them 19:48:54 <Alberth> :) 19:49:31 <waterfoul> *turned 19:49:31 <waterfoul> how do you clear it? 19:49:43 <waterfoul> can you clear a timetable after it's been created? 19:50:02 <Alberth> isn't there a 'clear times' button? 19:50:32 <Alberth> otherwise the wiki might know 19:51:01 <waterfoul> oh... I was looking for a clear all button... you need to click on the times to enable the botton so I didn't see it 19:51:37 <Alberth> could be, I hardly use time tables 19:53:15 <frosch123> waterfoul: also read about shared orders 19:53:33 <frosch123> then you can set up timetables for multiple vehicles together, instead of only for some 19:53:42 <waterfoul> ok 19:54:32 *** Dr_Tan [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 20:00:15 <Alberth> good night 20:01:49 *** NataS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:03:51 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has left #openttd [] 20:29:36 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 20:47:17 <waterfoul> is there a way to add some sort of penalty to a like so the teains are less likely to use it? 20:47:36 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:47:58 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 20:52:01 *** NataS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 20:53:05 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:53:18 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 20:55:23 *** Dr_Tan [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:57:55 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-173-71-180-190.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:58:01 <frosch123> waterfoul: use a backfacing path signal 20:59:08 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:01:28 *** mal2_ [~mal2@port-92-206-34-246.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:04:18 *** kkimlabs [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:11:39 <NGC3982> neat, commander data is using a bnc contact to connect his neural interface in star trek tng. 21:11:42 <NGC3982> :E 21:14:04 <frosch123> that's security by obscurity 21:14:18 <frosch123> just imagine how few would know about bnc contacts in the future 21:14:45 *** Dr_Tan [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 21:15:35 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 21:18:14 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:20:57 *** monkeyman23555 [~monkeyman@2.24.253.14] has joined #openttd 21:21:29 <FLHerne> @logs 21:21:29 <DorpsGek> FLHerne: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd 21:22:09 *** NataS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:22:30 <monkeyman23555> hello 21:22:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AD82.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:23:09 *** Dr_Tan [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:23:12 <FLHerne> Evening 21:26:46 <monkeyman23555> I have a question about the 32bpp, I cant find any good documentation for 1.2.* versions.. I am currently on jupix.info/... can I just download the tar files and install them in a directory? 21:27:43 *** NataS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 21:28:34 <frosch123> likely not 21:29:32 <monkeyman23555> is there a way to actually have 1.2.1 working with 32bpp at the moment? 21:32:03 <frosch123> you can use the nightly of ogfx+trains 21:32:08 <frosch123> then you have 32bpp trains 21:32:44 *** NataS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:34:11 <monkeyman23555> frosch123: is this the one? http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains 21:34:44 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:40:50 <frosch123> yes, the nightly 21:41:12 <frosch123> just put it into the "newgrf" folder of your installation 21:41:19 <frosch123> and add it via the newgrf settings 21:45:15 <monkeyman23555> I put the file into newgrf, but it does not show up in the newgrf settings, am I meant to extract it? 21:47:53 <frosch123> ah, it's a zip 21:48:01 <frosch123> yes, then extract it, but leave the tar 21:48:14 <frosch123> you should have an ogfx-trains.tar in the end 21:50:50 <monkeyman23555> hm seems to be corrupted? 21:50:58 *** cmircea [~cmircea@79.117.155.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:54:21 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-173-71-180-190.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:55:03 <monkeyman23555> infact it is of size 0 kb 21:55:51 <frosch123> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-trains/nightlies/r698/ <- then use that one 21:56:22 <frosch123> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/ogfx-trains/nightlies/r691/ <- hmm, or that 21:56:37 <frosch123> 51M sounds like a decent size for a 32bpp newgrf with zoom levels 21:57:45 <monkeyman23555> I suppose so... 698 is also only 86KB apperently 22:01:29 <monkeyman23555> thank you frosch123 22:01:37 <frosch123> you're welcome 22:10:36 <frosch123> night 22:10:40 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590d58aa.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:13 *** monkeyman23555 [~monkeyman@2.24.253.14] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20:47 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 22:28:34 *** drift [telex@xn--phnix-ibb.net] has joined #openttd 22:33:34 *** drift [telex@xn--phnix-ibb.net] has quit [] 22:34:28 *** kirin` [telex@xn--phnix-ibb.net] has joined #openttd 22:35:39 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:36:32 *** Guilux [~Guilux@chenapan.net] has joined #openttd 22:36:45 <Guilux> hi there 22:47:10 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Hugs to all] 22:53:38 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 22:56:02 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 22:56:29 <FLHerne> Hi 22:56:43 <FLHerne> (belatedly, but anyway...) 22:57:48 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:32 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:09:43 *** waterfoul [~chatzilla@host-246-5-2-96.midco.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:12:29 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:16 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 23:18:21 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:26:10 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:44:40 <Wolf01> 'night 23:44:43 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:50:01 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-27-11-53.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving]