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00:01:49 *** kkimlabs [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 00:25:28 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-012-243.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 00:42:36 *** KritiK [~Maxim@93-80-4-209.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:44:48 *** mal2_ [~mal2@port-92-206-3-78.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 00:51:53 *** mal2 [~mal2@port-92-206-208-63.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:55:00 *** mal2__ [~mal2@port-92-206-54-225.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 01:02:22 *** mal2_ [~mal2@port-92-206-3-78.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:09:30 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176113041.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 01:09:32 <drac_boy> hi 01:11:39 *** mal2__ [~mal2@port-92-206-54-225.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:24:17 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176113041.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 01:26:57 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:cd2e:eb30:72de:407b] has quit [Quit: bye] 02:09:13 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.94.221] has joined #openttd 02:09:30 *** waterfoul [~waterfoul@host-246-5-2-96.midco.net] has joined #openttd 02:10:07 <waterfoul> anyone know what you need to include in order to use _settings_game 02:44:25 <waterfoul> hmmm trunk/src/table/settings.h won't compile 03:09:28 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 03:10:57 <waterfoul> I'm having lots of errors when compiling settings.h it starts with error: âSLF_SAVE_NOâ was not declared in this scope 03:44:48 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@201.22.30.89.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 03:59:34 *** waterfoul [~waterfoul@host-246-5-2-96.midco.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:44:35 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67EEE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 04:44:50 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC66F2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:03:05 *** kkimlabs [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:04:53 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@059-057-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 05:12:46 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@94.13.8.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:27:21 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 05:27:27 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 05:31:58 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 05:35:15 *** kkimlabs_ [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 06:16:31 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@201.22.30.89.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:23:59 <Terkhen> good morning 06:28:04 *** telanus [~telanus@196-215-173-106.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 06:34:19 *** kkimlabs_ [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:35:39 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has joined #openttd 06:35:42 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 06:40:56 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 06:43:53 <planetmaker> moin 06:49:23 <Alberth> moin planetmaker, Terkhen 06:50:28 <Terkhen> hi Alberth :) 06:58:04 *** ludde [~b@c80-217-210-102.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 07:13:19 <planetmaker> hi Alberth 07:18:30 <dihedral> morning 07:19:24 <planetmaker> salut dihedral 07:20:24 *** cmircea [~cmircea@86.124.221.198] has joined #openttd 07:22:56 <dihedral> how are you sir? :) 07:29:25 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 07:31:49 <dihedral> Rubidium, the issue i saw yesterday was my mistake - sorry about that 07:32:44 <dihedral> however, in order to avoid this issue from showing up again, is it ok if i provide you with a patch that sets _cur_year and _cur_month /before/ onNewDay() or respectively onNewMonth() is called 07:42:45 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-66-115-249-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 07:46:00 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-18-8.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 07:47:02 <Alberth> sounds like a good idea, except wouldn't that break existing uses? (I don't know what issue you discussed btw) 07:47:48 *** kkimlabs_ [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 07:51:01 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-123-153.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:17:08 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-66-115-249-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 08:19:57 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 08:27:53 <dihedral> Alberth, it's a difference of setting those values before or after calling onNewDay() or onNewMonth() respectively 08:28:07 * Alberth nods 08:28:14 <dihedral> if (ymd.month == _cur_month) is used to check if a new month has start 08:29:05 <dihedral> ding a bool newMonth = ymd.month == _cur_month; _cur_month = ymd.month; onNewDay(); if(newMonth) ... 08:29:32 <dihedral> would have the affect of _cur_month being accurate even in the code of what gets executed in onNewDay() 08:30:14 <Alberth> yes, but currently it assumes the 'broken' value 08:30:38 <dihedral> the value is only broken at the first of a month ;-) 08:30:50 <Alberth> so that code has to be found and repaired too 08:30:57 <dihedral> _cur_month and _cur_year are broken at the first of the year 08:31:35 <Alberth> and you don't expect that someone hacked around it ? 08:31:40 <dihedral> do you expect something like if ymd.day == 0 use _cur_month + 1? 08:32:32 <dihedral> Alberth, I expect that if there is a hack around it, it can show up until the next release :-D 08:32:51 <Alberth> no idea, I'd suspect all uses of the variables until proven it does not get called with 'wrong' values 08:33:35 <dihedral> right then - i'll look through all code executed through onNewDay() and onNewMonth() to be 100% sure 08:33:46 * Alberth ponders whether it can end up in a savegame 08:34:22 <dihedral> you store _date ;-) 08:35:02 <Alberth> as long as you don't save a game from within the OnNew{Day,Month} it's ok, I think :) 08:36:27 <Alberth> hmm, "autosave every month" does not sound promising then :( 08:37:20 <dihedral> _date is already updated 08:37:58 * Alberth discovers the new drop-down buttons in the advanced settings, nifty :) 08:38:16 <dihedral> it would be silly to store _date and _cur_year and _cur_month in a save game if the later 2 are calculated out of _date 08:38:42 <Alberth> that would be another patch :) 08:40:18 <dihedral> _cur_date nore _cur_year are used in saving 08:40:29 <dihedral> _cur_year is used in afterload.cpp 08:40:37 <dihedral> which in turn then must be already calculated 08:44:43 <dihedral> \o/ 08:44:51 <dihedral> DoDisaster uses _cur_year :-) 08:45:30 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-056-151.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 08:45:37 <dihedral> so in theory, a disaster would never get cleared if this part is executed on the 1.1. :-) 08:45:52 <dihedral> because then _cur_year is the same as at the 31.Dec 08:45:59 <dihedral> \o/ 08:46:06 <dihedral> so in fact this would fix a bug :-D 08:46:12 <dihedral> that nobody every noticed :-D 08:46:38 <Alberth> \o/ 08:54:00 <dihedral> _cur_year also used in ChangeIndustryProduction() 09:03:54 *** cmircea [~cmircea@86.124.221.198] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:05:42 *** cmircea [~cmircea@86.124.221.198] has joined #openttd 09:07:28 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:14:07 *** brambles [brambles@79.133.200.49] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:16:02 <welshdragon> Now I know why I don't play OpenTTD much these days... I can't use the latest NewGRF's in Chill's PP :s 09:17:02 <FLHerne> Handrake's PP supports them, although with less crazy patches. Has most of the core ones though 09:17:52 <FLHerne> i.e. timetabling, CDist, bridge/tunnel sharing. Major absence is infra-sharing :-( 09:18:28 <Alberth> welshdragon: depending on your definition of OpenTTD, you may not have played it for much longer ;) 09:18:32 *** telanus1 [~telanus@196-215-173-106.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 09:20:18 <welshdragon> Alberth: the thing I like is Chilli's. I'm guessing it'll be 2013 before we get a GRF v6 version thiugh 09:21:32 * planetmaker wonders since when grf v6 is outdated. Certainly for at least two or three years... 09:22:08 *** telanus [~telanus@196-215-173-106.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:22:14 <dihedral> now you have the age of that patch pack ;-) 09:22:14 <planetmaker> welshdragon: most likely many new NewGRFs don't work with chillPP 09:22:23 <planetmaker> dihedral: last summer mostly 09:25:23 <dihedral> Alberth, AddInflation is also affected, not really crucial but the year that inflation should stop will still have inflation added in January 09:25:53 <Alberth> I have that disabled, so I don't care :D 09:26:09 <dihedral> lol 09:26:44 <dihedral> so it seems like it only affects things that should or should not run in January 09:26:46 <Alberth> but it is always surprising how much dirt you can turn up :) 09:27:40 <dihedral> (either should run on the 1.Jan but then get executed on the 2. Jan, or should not run in January but then in turn do not get executed anymore in February) 09:27:53 <dihedral> Alberth, i'll take that as a compliment :-D 09:30:12 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 09:30:23 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@059-057-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:30:34 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:31:16 <Eddi|zuHause> <Alberth> welshdragon: depending on your definition of OpenTTD <-- i'd say "has 'openttd' in its binary name" should suffice :) 09:32:04 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:33:45 <welshdragon> I've played OpenTTD for seven years, Chill's PP for nearly eight months 09:38:57 <dihedral> i think the first time i entered this channel was dec 2006 or jan 2007 ... iirc 09:40:56 *** kkimlabs_ [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:41:52 <jonty-comp> pfft, i have lurked here since the beginning of time 09:42:03 <jonty-comp> emerging occasionally to make a sarcastic comment at a mibbit user 09:43:24 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 09:51:16 <dihedral> :q 09:51:59 <Alberth> to quit with a modified file, use :q! 09:54:13 <Eddi|zuHause> nice boy. now fetch that stick again | 10:01:05 *** kkimlabs_ [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 10:08:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6B76D.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:12:26 *** kkimlabs_ [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:14:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CE66.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:15:11 <dihedral> grrr 10:15:12 <dihedral> ops 10:15:58 <dihedral> i hate it when xchat has focus :-P 10:18:49 *** brambles [brambles@79.133.200.49] has joined #openttd 10:19:11 <dihedral> Alberth, http://pastebin.com/yfjmEnQT 10:22:04 <Alberth> bool newMonth = ymd.month == _cur_month; <-- looks like "not_new_month" to me :) (and watch the camel-case) 10:33:25 <Eddi|zuHause> dihedral: maybe there is a windowmanager behaviour "never give xchat focus" 10:44:14 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@059-057-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 11:10:06 <dihedral> Alberth, :-) 11:17:42 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-178-51.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 11:23:17 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-139-226.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:34:20 *** peter1138 [~petern@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has joined #openttd 11:34:23 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 11:34:37 *** GBerten2936 [GBerten293@oxygen.evosurge.com] has joined #openttd 11:51:33 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-97-92.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:58:40 *** APTX [APTX@aptx.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:05:51 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ecd3:39ea:d223:fb12] has joined #openttd 12:05:54 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:07:47 *** APTX [APTX@aptx.org] has joined #openttd 12:12:15 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 12:12:20 *** KillSpammer [~kvirc@CPE-124-185-5-64.lns1.cha.bigpond.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:23:07 <dihedral> Alberth, http://pastebin.com/gjEXZERW <- better? 12:30:11 <Alberth> the "yes, "does not make a lot of sense any more, imho. Also, I seem to be missing 'fixes' for bugs that you found 12:31:16 <Alberth> ie the code change of changing the update moment of the year should be separate from the bug fixing that you cause 12:31:34 <Alberth> otherwise no-one is going to find back those changes 12:31:44 <Alberth> (other than by bi-secting) 12:33:11 <Alberth> or the change should be called a bug-fix :p 12:35:30 *** dijkstra [~mudkip@151.54.199.192] has joined #openttd 12:35:34 <dijkstra> hello 12:35:54 <Alberth> hi 12:36:45 *** dijkstra [~mudkip@151.54.199.192] has quit [] 12:36:59 <Alberth> useful :) 12:37:05 *** dijkstra [~mudkip@151.54.199.192] has joined #openttd 12:39:10 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 12:40:17 <dihedral> Alberth, the change is the bug fix 12:41:05 <dihedral> the bugs are that certain things are run in February rather than January, or on the 2nd rather than on the first of Jan 12:41:16 <dihedral> the code further down the line does not need chaning 12:41:20 <dihedral> *changing 12:41:47 <dihedral> this fixes the fact that i.e. a desaster recovery can happen on the 1.Jan 12:41:53 <Alberth> yeah, but my problem is that the patch does not show what you actually fix 12:42:27 <dihedral> ... how should it? 12:42:53 <dihedral> it sets _cur_year and _cur_month before executing any OnNew(Day|Month|Year)() functions 12:43:38 <dihedral> which is mentioned in a comment before setting the variables 12:44:38 <Belugas> hello 12:45:02 <dihedral> i do not quite follow how the patch should emphasize it 12:45:04 <dihedral> hello Belugas 12:45:11 <Alberth> one way is to make it a real code change, ie change the year update and make sure the disaster + production(?) act exactly like they do now, then add a fix patch to correct them again 12:45:11 <Alberth> another way is to see the current patch as bug fix, but then an issue with a discussion of what it fixes is needed at least (although the latter may be useful in the first way too) 12:45:39 <Alberth> dihedral: which is mentioned in a comment before setting the variables <-- no need to repeat what the code already says :) 12:46:07 <dihedral> it just stresses the importance ^^ 12:46:35 <Alberth> well, make an issue would be best I think 12:46:53 <Alberth> I am not going to commit it without someone else looking at it too 12:47:55 <Alberth> and they are all doing other things currently, it seems :) 12:49:05 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:50:46 <dihedral> i totally understand what you mean :-P 12:56:29 <Belugas> i wonder... it it's a new month, it would be logical to test for a new year. otherwise, it would not 13:00:05 <dihedral> true 13:02:59 <FLHerne> What's all this date stuff about, anyway? 13:03:01 <FLHerne> @logs 13:03:01 <DorpsGek> FLHerne: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd 13:03:16 <dihedral> however, you want _cur_year to be accurate before running OnNewDay() else the 1st Jan is in the old year 13:03:27 <Belugas> we are trying to re-invent the calendar as you know it :) 13:03:56 * dihedral thinks openttd calendar should end on the 21. Dec. 2012 13:03:58 <dihedral> :-D 13:05:23 <FLHerne> For some strange code reason? 13:06:04 <FLHerne> Perhaps you should switch to the Discordian calendar... 13:06:30 <FLHerne> "Today is Sweetmorn, the 45th day of Confusion in the YOLD 3178" 13:07:13 <Alberth> Nah, the problem is much more generic. We need a number sequence without 'nice' numbers 13:09:24 <FLHerne> Why? 13:11:38 <Alberth> to stop people from giving them special meaning, as they don't get that they cause a number being special in the first place 13:13:43 <FLHerne> Er...and the real reason? :P 13:13:56 <Alberth> what real reason? 13:14:18 <Alberth> ie 1.1 is special only because we one time decided to start counting days in a certain way 13:14:49 <Alberth> so you are just celebrating your own numbering system, nothing more ;) 13:15:02 <FLHerne> Ah. So what problem does that cause? 13:15:35 <Alberth> it's just stupid to give meaning to numbers you picked yourself 13:19:15 <Alberth> eg 11259375 is just as nice as 56789, yet people don't see it because they are stuck in the decimal system :p 13:19:48 <FLHerne> So what do you propose instead? 13:20:14 <Alberth> not give special meaning to numbers at all? 13:21:38 * FLHerne doesn't really see it 13:22:34 <dihedral> today is the 7257839th day 13:22:45 <dihedral> what year you ask? what is a year?? 13:23:22 <dihedral> Alberth, that could be very nasty in this world :-D 13:23:39 <Alberth> :) 13:24:21 <Alberth> FLHerne: let me ask it another way, why is 11:07 never a time for a meeting? 13:24:59 <Alberth> why is it always 11:00 or 11:15 ? 13:26:45 <Alberth> but to meet at "660 minutes" to day feels weird. If we measuer a day in minutes, we'd meet at 650 or 700 minutes or so 13:27:21 <Alberth> ie we pick a number system, and then give some numbers special meaning 13:29:46 <Alberth> but we do it for any number system, which makes it a totally ad-hoc meaning :p 13:29:51 <FLHerne> I see. Does OTTD code use years, months etc atm then? 13:30:21 <Alberth> yep 13:30:46 <FLHerne> And you don't want it to? 13:31:09 <Alberth> :D 13:31:26 <FLHerne> Got it :P 13:32:24 <Alberth> hence "we need a number sequence without 'nice' numbers" :D 13:32:42 <Alberth> although it may not exist 13:37:15 <dihedral> actaully openttd works with ticks per day and days 13:37:24 <dihedral> and converts days into year month day format 13:38:19 <FLHerne> Would your new system allow the no. of ticks per year to be varied? That would be convenient 13:39:18 <dihedral> ticks are only per day 13:39:36 <Alberth> you'd end up with the problems of the day-length patches I suspect 13:39:56 <dihedral> Alberth, shall we introduce a leap tick :-D 13:40:19 <Alberth> :D 13:41:30 <Alberth> and vehicles shall drive a bit slower to compensate :D 13:41:46 <FLHerne> Ok...would it be possible to separate displayed/vehicle introduction dates from the ones that payment, production, speed etc are calculated from? 13:42:13 <FLHerne> Wasn't that the problem with (most) daylength patches? 13:42:23 *** dijkstra [~mudkip@151.54.199.192] has quit [Quit: dijkstra] 13:44:16 <Alberth> that's one thing I still like to try, and you can do it entirely in NewGRF I think 13:44:46 <Alberth> just make a NewGRF that has eg steam for 50 years before introducing diesl 13:44:50 <Alberth> *diesel 13:45:13 <Alberth> so around 2050, we have electric :p 13:45:31 <Alberth> no idea why we have those powerplants 100 years early, but who cares :D 13:45:59 <FLHerne> But that would need all grfs modified to match (industries, townsets, RVs, ships...) 13:46:13 <FLHerne> The date would look silly, too :P 13:46:34 <Alberth> why is the date silly? 13:46:47 <Alberth> openttd is not simulation the real world :) 13:46:53 <Alberth> *simulating 13:47:41 <FLHerne> It can, and I prefer it to :P 13:48:12 <Hirundo> In that case, it might be better to display the year as "Year 1" instead of "1950", to make clear that it's not realistic (tm) 13:48:33 <FLHerne> There are enough 'realistic' GRFs that it can come quite close (other than the 45 degree angles, of course :P ) 13:51:04 <Alberth> FLHerne: imho trying to mimic reality is not the best solution for play, I hate having to choose between 30 engines 13:52:19 <FLHerne> Differences of opinion then. I hate being constrained to 3... :P 13:52:59 * Belugas raises his mug to Hirundo! 13:53:17 <Belugas> and to Alberth!! 13:53:48 <Alberth> cheers :) 13:54:12 <FLHerne> I also keep practically every station set loaded, in case I need one tile from some obscure one :P 13:55:23 <FLHerne> Thanks for making a game with so many potential playing styles, anyway :D 13:56:51 <Afdal> I wish there were more unrealistic newGRFs :( 13:58:06 <Afdal> Whatever happened that that NUTS project 13:58:44 <Afdal> oh wait a second 13:58:52 <Afdal> oh god, it's been released hasn't it 13:58:58 <Alberth> we need more toyland NewGRFs! 13:59:26 <Afdal> oh goooood 13:59:29 <Afdal> when did I miss this 14:00:10 <Alberth> look at the release date :p 14:03:09 <Belugas> in which format ? ;) 14:08:58 <Alberth> any format, but relative to the speed of the earth flying through the universe would be useful :) 14:10:05 <Alberth> hmm, does that even exist? :) 14:10:56 <dihedral> Alberth, but you could close FS 4632 :-P 14:13:16 <Alberth> doesn't look like everybody would agree with that action ;) 14:13:32 <FLHerne> @fs 4632 14:13:32 <DorpsGek> FLHerne: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/4632 14:13:57 <dihedral> really? 14:13:59 <dihedral> interesting 14:14:24 <dihedral> Alberth, well apart of the reporter? 14:25:21 <dihedral> can a GS create a cost for a company? 14:25:51 <FLHerne> Does anyone here know how to use the AV8 maintenance-cost parameter? 14:26:17 *** cmircea [~cmircea@86.124.221.198] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:26:39 <FLHerne> The text/description are rather ambiguous, and I'm not sure which choice is which :-( 14:28:28 <FLHerne> Also, eGRVTS2 is a great improvement :D 14:41:27 <dihedral> i still have the dream of creating a penalty cost :-P 14:41:59 <dihedral> you as an admin need to get grips on a player - fine the company - or force a give money command as company # 14:45:06 * NGC3982 makes lemonade 14:45:24 <Alberth> GS can act as a company, not sure what it can do w.r.t. money 14:46:44 <dihedral> yeah - but 'acting' as a company does not mean i could add a cost under 'other' of say 20 million $ 14:46:48 <dihedral> :-P 14:50:54 <Alberth> taking or giving money should be possible probably, perhaps with an accompanying news item 14:51:09 <Alberth> so it stays transparent who is giving/paying money 14:51:43 <dihedral> that would really be fun :-D 14:52:00 <dihedral> has to be queued as a DoCommand though 14:53:11 <Alberth> I always wondered whether getting caught bribing should be a news item too :p 14:55:00 *** joho^_^ [~joho@takamachi.nanoha.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:55:30 *** joho [~joho@takamachi.nanoha.se] has joined #openttd 14:57:16 <dihedral> Alberth, i think so too, it's a boo boo :-D 15:11:01 <Afdal> Does anyone know if it would be possible to make a newGRF engine impossible to breakdown, with breakdowns enabled? 15:11:24 <Afdal> A breakdown-enabled logic engine sure would be nice 15:13:49 <Terkhen> I'm not sure but I don't think that's possible 15:14:13 <planetmaker> Neither do I think it's feasible 15:16:34 <dihedral> so a 'reliability' of 100% could still cause a breakdown to be triggered? 15:16:42 <planetmaker> yes 15:16:51 <dihedral> hih that's funny 15:17:00 <planetmaker> iirc there's table which relates the reliability to a breakdown counter 15:17:14 <planetmaker> which is rolled a dice against 15:17:23 <dihedral> \o/ 15:17:33 <planetmaker> s/counter/number 15:18:18 <Afdal> that's too bad 15:18:35 <Afdal> is it possible to hope for a feature request someday? 15:19:00 <Afdal> logic trains are such a neat emergent property of OpenTTD and it's a shame that you can only use them with breakdowns off 15:20:14 <Afdal> maybe just an option to selectively turn off that RNG for newgrfs 15:23:48 <Pinkbeast> Well, a way to say "this vehicle never breaks down" would not really hurt, in a newgrf. 15:24:53 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@94.13.8.182] has joined #openttd 15:24:53 <planetmaker> Pinkbeast: why? 15:25:08 <planetmaker> either you play with breakdowns: then it's usual that *every* vehicle may break down 15:25:17 <planetmaker> or you don't play with them. And then no vehicle breaks down 15:25:28 <planetmaker> there's no 100% reliability 15:25:40 <planetmaker> so, playing with a logic engine and "realistic" settings is folly anyway 15:26:20 <planetmaker> and tbh, I don't want to give NewGRFs the option to disable breakdowns 15:26:31 <planetmaker> it's not their can of beer 15:27:36 <Pinkbeast> ISTR some newgrfs introduce what are effectively dummy powered vehicles for spacing &c, and surely they should not go breaking down? 15:28:49 <planetmaker> only the lead engine can break down 15:28:58 <planetmaker> and "dummy" lead engines is a hack 15:29:27 <planetmaker> not worth introducing further complications 15:32:19 <Afdal> that's really too bad :( 15:32:56 * Alberth wants all engines to break down every now and then! 15:33:09 <CornishPasty> At the same time? You monster! 15:34:49 <dihedral> Alberth, how about a disaster: war :-D 15:35:25 <NGC3982> simultanus break downs is a god damnet relief. 15:35:26 <Alberth> out of the scope of the game, it's not family-friendly 15:35:28 <NGC3982> damned* 15:35:35 <Pinkbeast> Only the lead engine can break down - but if breakdowns ever work in a less totally aggravating fashion, the consequences will be different for double-headed trains 15:35:47 <dihedral> teddy bear wars? "it's so fluffy" 15:36:12 <Pinkbeast> family-friendly: well, neither is driving a diesel shunter over your opponents' fully loaded busses. # yeah, kidding, don't want war in OTTD either 15:36:14 <Alberth> dihedral: I am afraid you have to have your pillow wars on your own bed :D 15:36:24 <dihedral> :-( 15:36:26 <dihedral> nofair 15:36:31 <dihedral> :-P 15:36:43 * NGC3982 kicks of season 7 of star trek tng 15:36:57 <dihedral> poor sod :-D 15:37:34 <dihedral> funny actually how i stubled of the date thing in openttd - i was trying to fix the date handling in my bot :-P 15:37:39 <dihedral> ammusing 15:44:29 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 15:50:42 *** Wuzzy [~Wuzzy@p549FB209.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:09:20 *** peter1138 [~petern@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 16:12:01 *** MiraCZ [5e711739@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:12:13 <MiraCZ> hey there 16:12:23 <MiraCZ> I'd like to ask if there is an hosting for OpenTTD 16:12:33 <MiraCZ> I cant have my PC 24/7 online 16:12:45 <NGC3982> seriosly 16:12:52 <NGC3982> the swedish media are in some sort of zombie state today 16:13:17 <__ln__> MiraCZ: virtual servers are available commercially 16:13:41 <NGC3982> a woman cries out in our biggest "newspaper" (note the quotation marks) about not being allowed on a big roller coaster 16:13:51 <NGC3982> since she was fat enough to risk the lifes of all the others on the coaster 16:14:25 <MiraCZ> Is it hard to setup OpenTTD server on VPS? 16:15:03 <NGC3982> of course, the newspaper and the somewhat so-heavy-she'll-create-some-sort-of-singularity lady missed that this coaster (balder) was the only one that had a queue beginning with "please try this fake chair first - or no-go!" 16:17:35 <MiraCZ> or does anyone here offer server for little price? :) 16:18:01 *** cmircea [~cmircea@86.123.42.12] has joined #openttd 16:19:10 <NGC3982> MiraCZ: there are several forums posts regarding using VPS for OpenTTD servers. have a google on "OpenTTD + VPS" or visit this particular one: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=57640 16:19:45 <NGC3982> for most systems, there should be no problem - even with virtual ones. 16:21:46 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 16:22:07 <Terkhen> MiraCZ: with regard to difficulty; as long as you are comfortable with rcon and the console, managing it is not very complicated 16:22:20 <Terkhen> to my knowledge there is no updated remote managing program though 16:24:38 <NGC3982> im not sure on how a server is configured on a linux system, but i guess SSH would solve most problems with remote configuration 16:24:55 <NGC3982> if rcon is set aside. 16:25:12 <MiraCZ> ok 16:25:16 <MiraCZ> thank you 16:39:59 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/rtdZu.png <- look at this. it's 2045 (non-grf game). 16:40:15 <NGC3982> how come i cant replace the balogh truck, with the goss truck? 16:42:00 <Alberth> how come a truck from 1935 still exists? 16:42:35 <Alberth> but I don't know why :( 16:42:47 <NGC3982> i have no idea. 16:42:49 <NGC3982> :P 16:43:11 <Terkhen> vehicles never expire must be on 16:43:44 <NGC3982> it's off 16:43:57 <NGC3982> but the goss goods truck is still available, and i can buy it manually? 16:44:01 <Terkhen> and since the Goss appears with a 0, I guess that you have a Goss -> Balogh replacement already 16:44:21 <Terkhen> the game will not let you have circular replacements 16:44:35 <NGC3982> ah! 16:44:44 <NGC3982> it works. 16:44:46 <NGC3982> Terkhen: thank you. 16:47:13 <Terkhen> good :) 16:54:39 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.66.172] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:55:20 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.66.172] has joined #openttd 17:03:51 *** Wuzzy [~Wuzzy@p549FB209.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:04:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:05:16 <Eddi|zuHause> what if i set goss->balough in a group. and then balough->goss in the all-group? 17:06:33 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 17:07:24 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:07:57 <andythenorth> lo 17:09:35 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 17:10:28 * andythenorth ponders how to make ottd for toddlers 17:10:40 <andythenorth> he is 2 years 5 months 17:10:43 <andythenorth> he likes ottd a lot 17:11:20 <Terkhen> Eddi|zuHause: worth a try, I guess it is allowed then :P 17:11:34 <andythenorth> "I want people there" -> points to football pitch 17:11:36 <andythenorth> "no people" 17:11:58 <andythenorth> apparently we need NewPeople 17:12:04 <andythenorth> really quite wanted here 17:13:25 <andythenorth> hmm 17:13:39 <Eddi|zuHause> only if they "walk" to destinations 17:13:42 <andythenorth> BANDIT trucks should shorten their trailer when it's invisible 17:13:46 <andythenorth> :| 17:14:09 <Eddi|zuHause> it would be helpful to shorten vehicles to 0 17:15:17 <andythenorth> doesn't that blow stuff up somehow? 17:15:27 <Eddi|zuHause> certainly 17:15:58 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f70b4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:16:03 <Eddi|zuHause> but the HEQS refit magic doesn't work in CETS, because each vehicle consists of 3 vehicles already, and their position is relevant for the curve magic 17:16:17 <Eddi|zuHause> we need NewMagic 17:17:23 <andythenorth> did I mention the Wooden Train grf idea? 17:17:46 <FLHerne> Yes :P 17:17:52 <andythenorth> our geometry is pretty similar to wooden trains 17:18:00 <FLHerne> It was a good one :-) 17:18:36 <Alberth> http://ri-li.sourceforge.net/index.html <-- andythenorth 17:18:39 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 17:18:48 * andythenorth will try later 17:19:17 <FLHerne> Presumably would be easy to do with 3D models? Nice simple shapes... 17:19:51 * Alberth ponders wooden smoke 17:20:34 <NGC3982> bah, this talk about smoke :( 17:21:00 <andythenorth> yes, CGI would be good for wooden train 17:23:46 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r24392 /trunk/src/vehicle_gui.cpp: -Fix [FS#5239]: Use the 'all vehicles' group for the autoreplace window from the vehicle list. 17:24:19 <frosch123> hmm, xkcd has a twitter 17:24:30 <frosch123> one tweet, 11242 folowers 17:24:54 <andythenorth> what happens if we use 2x and 4x zoom on the GUI? 17:25:03 <andythenorth> can I haz my eyes back? 17:28:30 *** MiraCZ [5e711739@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:32:07 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has joined #openttd 17:32:25 <frosch123> use the biggui grf 17:32:35 <Wolf01> hello o/ 17:32:53 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-5d822ab1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:34:01 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@dsl-149-87-36.hive.is] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 17:34:06 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r24393 /trunk/src/lang/ (finnish.txt hungarian.txt korean.txt): 17:34:06 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:34:06 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: finnish - 1 changes by jpx_ 17:34:06 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: hungarian - 8 changes by Brumi 17:34:06 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: korean - 4 changes by telk5093 17:35:03 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Suggestion: Non-track CHIPS tiles as NewObjects? 17:35:24 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@dsl-149-87-36.hive.is] has joined #openttd 17:35:45 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: glx * r24394 /trunk/src/video/win32_v.cpp: -Fix (r24188): changing resolution didn't resize the window 17:36:45 <Alberth> FLHerne: but then you cannot have cargo on them 17:38:24 <FLHerne> Alberth: True, but in some situations that isn't necessary. NewObject plain tiles would allow dock areas to be finished off properly 17:39:21 <Alberth> FLHerne: make a newobject grf yourself? it's all gpl 17:39:52 <FLHerne> Alberth: True. Might be a simple first grf, actually :-) 17:40:15 <FLHerne> Hopefully NML supports NewObjects? 17:40:18 <Alberth> I would expect so :) 17:40:35 <Alberth> I think it does 17:40:50 <Terkhen> hi Wolf01 17:41:00 <Alberth> hi Wolf01 17:41:06 <Wolf01> hi Wolf01 17:41:21 <FLHerne> hi Wolf01 17:41:30 <FLHerne> Alberth: Good. Might keep me occupied and stop me making pointless suggestions for a while... 17:42:16 <Terkhen> hi Wolf01 17:42:18 <Terkhen> :D 17:42:33 <Wolf01> ok, let's go from the start again 17:43:07 <Alberth> FLHerne: before you know it, you'll be a productive member of this community ;) 17:43:23 <FLHerne> Aaargh! :P 17:43:59 <Alberth> and you suddenly get commit rights everywhere :p 17:46:53 *** kkimlabs_ [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 17:47:24 <Terkhen> but also a lot of responsibility! 17:47:37 <Terkhen> and then, one terrible day, you find yourself answering to pointless suggestions on IRC 17:55:17 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@201.22.30.89.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 17:58:52 <Alberth> or the issue tracker :D 17:59:14 *** mal2 [~mal2@port-92-206-54-225.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 18:03:59 * FLHerne shudders :P 18:09:03 <Terkhen> :D 18:22:39 <NGC3982> fat. 18:26:26 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: alberth * r24395 /trunk/src/ (6 files in 2 dirs): -Doc: Fixed argument references in @param descriptions. 18:29:34 <Sacro> \o/ 18:31:28 <andythenorth> non-track-bit stations on all slopes? 18:31:51 <andythenorth> or we just allow the crazy 'trains climb 1height level thing' :) 18:32:04 <andythenorth> worth patching locally if you haven't seen it ;) 18:34:00 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the problem is this awful "fallback" mechanism when a station set is not loaded 18:34:24 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-231-254.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:34:29 <andythenorth> sounds broken 18:34:40 <andythenorth> the grf is missing, ergo the savegame is broken no? 18:34:48 <Chris_Booth> hi 18:34:48 <Eddi|zuHause> no 18:35:35 <Eddi|zuHause> all it needs is storing the "non track" bit in the map array 18:40:33 <andythenorth> make it so! 18:40:51 <andythenorth> then we have better stations on coasts :) 18:41:00 <andythenorth> not sure it solves it actually 18:41:08 <andythenorth> anyway, andythenorth -> pub 18:41:10 <andythenorth> bye 18:41:13 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:42:17 *** telanus1 [~telanus@196-215-173-106.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:42:49 *** Peter2 [~petergazo@static-dsl-107.87-197-154.telecom.sk] has joined #openttd 18:43:23 <Peter2> servers 18:43:28 <Peter2> !servers 18:44:51 <Alberth> doesn't work in #openttd :) 18:45:24 <Alberth> but the site has a web-page with them 18:52:29 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-38-125.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:54:04 *** Peter2 [~petergazo@static-dsl-107.87-197-154.telecom.sk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:55:26 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-18-8.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:02:31 <NGC3982> bah, i still cant get autoreplace to work - again. 19:02:52 <NGC3982> oh 19:02:53 <NGC3982> wait 19:02:57 <NGC3982> it suddenly works 19:02:59 <NGC3982> \o/ 19:03:43 <NGC3982> and it stops working again. 19:04:57 <Hirundo> got enough money? 19:05:22 <NGC3982> yes, billons and billion 19:05:29 <NGC3982> ..s and billions. 19:13:39 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:20:23 <Hirundo> Eddi|zuHause: I wondered, are there also non-track waypoints? 19:20:41 <Eddi|zuHause> Hirundo: not yet :) 19:20:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think the specs forbid it... 19:21:05 <Eddi|zuHause> waypoint is just a magic station class 19:21:52 <Hirundo> "not yet", meaning "it's possible, but no-one has made such a newgrf yet"? 19:22:04 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 19:22:48 <Hirundo> specs make no distinction between stations/waypoints IIRC 19:24:46 *** kkimlabs_ [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:31:46 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 19:34:07 *** kkimlabs_ [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has joined #openttd 19:43:30 <frosch123> you will have trouble building waypoints with a platform length > 1 19:43:53 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: just place two after each other? 19:44:27 <frosch123> never tried that 19:44:44 <frosch123> but they will not exactly join like a platform 19:45:11 <Eddi|zuHause> they can do the same adjacency checks as stations 19:45:31 <frosch123> yeah, but there is something like "build as one part" and "build in two parts" 19:45:54 <frosch123> though somewhen in the past that behaved different for stations and waypoints 19:46:04 <frosch123> no idea whether that got fixed since dragable waypoints 19:46:54 <Eddi|zuHause> it used to be that separate waypoints behaved like a single one wrt graphics, but that got changed... 19:47:46 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:48:27 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 19:49:58 <Eddi|zuHause> gnah i hate touchpads... 19:50:10 <Eddi|zuHause> can i configure a touchpad to not "click" on touch? 19:50:19 <frosch123> get a touchscreen 19:50:23 <Nat_aS> depending on the machine yes, 19:50:29 <frosch123> then you can hate that one 19:50:41 <Nat_aS> synaptic drivers usualy have an option for that in properties 19:50:50 <Nat_aS> what kind of computer? 19:51:10 <Eddi|zuHause> some old toshiba laptop with windows 7 19:51:20 <Eddi|zuHause> or vista, not sure 19:51:52 <Nat_aS> well assuming the pad is made by synaptic, click the little arrow in the system tray, and find the icon for touchpad 19:52:04 <Nat_aS> or just go into mouse properties in the controll pannel 19:52:16 <Nat_aS> it's one of the first things i do if i get a new laptop 19:53:14 <Eddi|zuHause> it's constantly clicking while i move the pointer, it's not even funny... 19:53:28 <Nat_aS> :C 19:54:35 <Eddi|zuHause> it says "no access to synaptics device" when i click on mouse properties 19:56:04 <Nat_aS> oh dear 19:56:21 <Nat_aS> is there an icon for synaptics in the controll pannel? 19:56:32 <Nat_aS> sometimes the driver is it's own thing 19:56:46 <Nat_aS> if that dosn't work, then it's safe to say you have a problem 19:56:50 <Nat_aS> perhaps with the driver itself 19:57:08 <Eddi|zuHause> it says "synaptics ps/2 device" in the hardware tab 19:57:17 <Nat_aS> get a USB mouse in the meantime and research it 19:57:28 <frosch123> or ask one of your cats 19:57:45 <Nat_aS> yeah but in the control panel, sometimes the synaptics driver get's it's own icon. 19:58:27 <Eddi|zuHause> Nat_aS: but then it wouldn't complain about synaptics devices if it wasn't the synaptics driver 20:01:04 *** kkimlabs_ [~kkimlabs@NYUFGA-WLESSAUTHCLIENTS-01.NATPOOL.NYU.EDU] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:05:28 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has left #openttd [] 20:05:39 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05:41 *** SpComb [terom@zapotek.paivola.fi] has joined #openttd 20:06:28 <Eddi|zuHause> the weird thing is, it deactivated the clicking, but i haven't actually changed any settings... 20:06:44 <Hirundo> frosch123: OpenTTD source tells me that Action1 spriteset IDs are feature-specific, but the specs aren't very specific about that 20:07:24 <Hirundo> Can I assume that behaviour (and possibly update the specs) or is it an implementation detail that I shouldn't rely on? 20:07:32 <frosch123> i think we only made them feature specific together with extact1 20:07:51 <Hirundo> yes 20:08:01 <frosch123> likely nforenum won't like it 20:08:06 <frosch123> and ttdp won't like it anyway 20:08:09 <Hirundo> before that, there was only one action1 'active' 20:08:29 <frosch123> anyway, let's check my logs 20:08:36 <frosch123> we dicussed that during extact1 design 20:08:50 <Hirundo> NML grfs are only eaten by ottd >= 1.2 anyways, so nforenum/ttdp don't matter much 20:10:53 <frosch123> http://wiki.openttd.org/Frosch/Extended_Action_1 <- haha, there is still the TODO item :p 20:11:10 <frosch123> so, the discussion was whether mixing should be allowed to share sprites between features 20:12:50 <Hirundo> Is there a use case for that, that doesn't violate the "one $thing per newgrf"-rule too badly? 20:13:45 <frosch123> yes, if we allow industries to place newobjects :) 20:13:59 <frosch123> anyway, you can always still duplicate the sprites 20:15:27 <Eddi|zuHause> eyecandy stations vs. objects 20:17:10 <frosch123> Hirundo: yexo was clearly favouring the do-not-mix-features approach 20:17:19 <Hirundo> duplicating is pretty trivial in NML, and with grfv2 you don't even need to duplicate the actual sprite data 20:17:34 <frosch123> i don't find an objective argument in the logs though 20:17:40 <frosch123> just "yes, please" :p 20:18:18 <frosch123> Hirundo: i noticed that nml duplicates on its own. in debug vehicles i used the same spriteset for trains, rv and tramd 20:18:23 <frosch123> and nml just made it work :) 20:19:42 <Hirundo> and I wondered, if anyone would ever use that :-) 20:19:45 <frosch123> Hirundo: if you want to check back yourself, devzone 15 june 2011 contains most 20:20:03 <frosch123> there are multiple usecases, non-cases and alternatives 20:20:13 <frosch123> including a featue FF if a spriteset shall apply to everything 20:21:21 <Hirundo> Unless there is a compelling reason, I suggest no changes 20:21:38 <Hirundo> saves coding, hence more time for discussion ;-) 20:22:27 <Hirundo> The duplication-argument is pretty moot anyways with grfv2 20:22:51 <frosch123> oh, right, there was another feature in that direction 20:23:38 <Hirundo> at least when using NML (after I coded that feature), I don't know how smart grfcodec is 20:24:55 <Hirundo> Michi requested it, albeit for different reasons: http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4046 20:26:27 <frosch123> i think grfcodec just uses the spritenumber as id 20:26:33 <frosch123> so, it cannot deduplicate 20:26:54 <frosch123> i guess everyone was hoping for nml :p 20:27:53 <Hirundo> anyways, if we decide to keep the current behaviour, it should be documented in the specs, right? 20:28:39 <frosch123> only for the ext. format then 20:29:21 <frosch123> hmm, nah, just write for ottd >= 1.2 20:29:35 <frosch123> else people would think that it does not apply for the normal format :) 20:32:33 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-148-244-89.range81-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:41:27 <LordAro> evenings 20:41:39 <Hirundo> frosch123: documentation done, could you check that it makes sense? 20:42:37 <Terkhen> good night 20:44:00 <frosch123> looks fine 20:44:30 <frosch123> thanks :) 20:50:54 *** Kylie [Kylie@CPE18593346e177-CM18593346e174.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:50:55 *** Kylie [Kylie@CPE18593346e177-CM18593346e174.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 20:54:19 <LordAro> so, in summary, my patch is fine, but due to bananas needing changes, it won't be implemented, yes? 20:57:15 <frosch123> i like it also without bananas extension 20:57:41 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@128-68-102-143.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:00:35 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 21:01:49 <LordAro> well commit it then :P 21:02:18 <frosch123> did not look at it yet 21:04:02 <LordAro> :P 21:04:12 <LordAro> http://i.imgur.com/58VMV.jpg <-- i have a new desktop background :) 21:13:50 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 21:19:17 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-5d822ab1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us] 21:24:08 <FLHerne> LordAro: Impressive background :D 21:24:19 <FLHerne> Anyone here played 0AD? 21:24:37 * FLHerne wonders whether to try it out 21:26:10 <dihedral> what use would that have? :-P 21:26:31 <Rubidium> OpenTTD only starts in 1AD 21:26:48 <FLHerne> No, the AoE-ish OSS game :P 21:26:58 <Wolf01> 'night 21:27:00 * FLHerne needs to be clearer, clearly :-( 21:27:01 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:27:10 <LordAro> i played AoE[II] fairly exensively 21:27:44 <FLHerne> As did I. That's why I was looking at http://wildfiregames.com/0ad/ 21:28:08 <FLHerne> Unsure whether it's worth downloading (yet) though 21:29:36 <LordAro> sounds like another ripoff of AoE if you ask me... 21:29:43 <LordAro> wait, it's free :) 21:29:50 <FLHerne> Yeah, but an open-source one :D 21:29:58 <FLHerne> Aargh, need to type faster :P 21:30:22 <glx> it's started from scratch IIRC 21:32:49 <LordAro> as long as it's not like freeciv, sounds good :) 21:33:12 <FLHerne> I tried FreeCiv. It seemed totally incomprehensible :-( 21:34:49 <LordAro> it's just not CivII... 21:36:46 <FLHerne> Never played the commercial ones, so can't compare against them, but even AoE I had better graphics/gameplay/UI than FreeCiv, IMO 21:37:01 * FLHerne downloads 0AD 21:38:22 <LordAro> FreeCiv is just so counter-intuitive, at least to me (who's played II, III and IV) 21:38:28 <LordAro> i got bored quickly :L 21:43:45 *** TWerkhoven[l] [~twerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:43:58 *** ludde [~b@c80-217-210-102.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:47:58 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.94.221] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:50:19 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-231-254.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0/20120704090211]] 21:51:54 <frosch123> night 21:51:57 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f70b4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:59 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.73.45] has joined #openttd 21:56:28 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-148-244-89.range81-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:00:28 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.66.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:03:30 *** mal2 [~mal2@port-92-206-54-225.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:07:47 <FLHerne> It's quite impressive, actually :-) 22:24:37 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 22:29:45 <Eddi|zuHause> after playing Civ IV and V, i can 22:29:54 <Eddi|zuHause> 't possibly go back to Civ II rules 22:30:20 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ecd3:39ea:d223:fb12] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:30:32 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ecd3:39ea:d223:fb12] has joined #openttd 22:32:27 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-22-6.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 22:33:29 <Pinkbeast> Civ IV was the first that didn't make me think "I'd rather be playing Civ n-1" 22:38:27 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-38-125.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:43:18 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 22:49:11 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-88-99.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 22:50:54 *** waterfoul [~waterfoul@host-246-5-2-96.midco.net] has joined #openttd 22:51:06 <waterfoul> I can't compile settings.cpp, errors:http://fpaste.org/Obua/ I'm gonna guess an include file is missing 22:54:58 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-22-6.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:57:51 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14:04 *** KritiK [~Maxim@128-68-102-143.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:19:09 <Eddi|zuHause> waterfoul: very likely the real problem is in a completely different place 23:20:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Pinkbeast: i never had that feeling about any civ (though i skipped III) 23:24:49 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-056-151.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 23:37:29 <Eddi|zuHause> where does virt-manager (or qemu?) save the vm's metadata? 23:44:45 *** cmircea [~cmircea@86.123.42.12] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]