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06:21:45 <NGC3982> indeed. 06:21:50 * telanus is very tired 06:38:35 *** telanus [~telanus@196-210-247-225.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:47:12 *** telanus [~telanus@196-210-247-225.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 06:57:54 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-93-141.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 07:00:58 <dihedral> good morning 07:03:02 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-104-92.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:04:44 *** telanus1 [~telanus@196-210-247-225.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 07:04:57 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has joined #openttd 07:05:00 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 07:05:25 <Alberth> hi hi 07:07:21 <telanus1> hell My Telecom line sux today :( 07:08:20 *** telanus [~telanus@196-210-247-225.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:10:41 <Alberth> find a new provider ? 07:12:11 *** telanus2 [~telanus@196-210-247-225.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 07:13:37 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.143.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:17:01 *** telanus2 is now known as telanus 07:17:05 *** telanus1 [~telanus@196-210-247-225.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:21:16 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 13.0.1/20120614114901]] 07:24:39 <planetmaker> hello 07:36:26 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.143.104] has joined #openttd 07:37:46 *** telanus1 [~telanus@196-210-247-225.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 07:41:30 *** telanus [~telanus@196-210-247-225.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:56:02 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 08:02:30 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:10:08 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@115.133.14.96] has joined #openttd 08:12:42 *** KouDy [~KouDy@23.40.49.60.kmr01-home.tm.net.my] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:14:45 *** cyph3r_ [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 08:17:26 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 08:20:11 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-92-22.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:35:03 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-058-190.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 08:52:03 *** peter1138 [~petern@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:52:06 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 08:52:46 <peter1138> Good morning. 09:01:33 <peter1138> Anyone here rich enough to own a retina MBP yet? heh 09:04:09 *** telanus1 is now known as telanus 09:18:49 <Terkhen> some people in the forum are :P 09:18:55 <Terkhen> hi peter1138 09:21:55 <Alberth> some others refuse to support a company that does not support GPL 09:23:55 <peter1138> Oh, shall we drop Windows, OS X, OS/2 and Morphos support? 09:24:15 <peter1138> (Actually maybe not OS/2, I don't know what IBM are up to these days) 09:27:49 <Alberth> no need, the program gets buggy on its own in time due to lack of skilled people for the OS 09:41:01 <Terkhen> well, windows license does not prevent running GPL software (for now) 09:47:47 <Alberth> yep, and the VS2011 free compiler incident shows how reliable that is 09:49:12 <planetmaker> what was that incident? 09:53:36 <Alberth> "we're not going to release a free VS2011 compiler version", they changed their mind two weeks later 09:54:18 <Eddi|zuHause> what does that have to do with GPL? 09:55:13 <Alberth> cp Makefile.local.sample Makefile.local ; sed -i s/_V = @/_V =/ Makefile.local is supposed to give me echo-ing of commands as they are executed? 09:55:36 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: it nicely demonstrates how much they care about developers not under their control 09:56:10 <Eddi|zuHause> that sounds awfully conspiracy-y to me... 09:56:28 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-102-122.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 09:56:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 09:58:01 <planetmaker> Alberth: just use make _V= 09:58:05 <Eddi|zuHause> anyone else having Civ2 crashing in wine? (apparently in winevdm.exe) ... also the sound is distorted (probably related) 09:58:11 <Alberth> planetmaker: where? 09:58:22 <planetmaker> but yes, doing that in Makefile.local also works. I meant as command line parameter 09:58:31 <Alberth> there are toooo many makefiles 09:58:41 <planetmaker> yes, there are 09:59:04 <planetmaker> when calling make. You can instead of just "make" use "make _V=" 10:00:10 <planetmaker> Alberth: dirty... but temp grass: http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/start32bpp.diff 10:00:16 <planetmaker> when merging opengfx and zbase 10:00:51 <planetmaker> it really needs formatted strings in nml templates :-) 10:01:14 <planetmaker> would make it much shorter 10:01:32 <Hirundo> planetmaker: wait 5 minutes... :-) 10:01:46 <planetmaker> as then the filename offsets like you defined (in the now deleted generation) can be used there 10:01:54 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-111-85.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:01:56 <planetmaker> Hirundo: just playing. Not committing anything :-) 10:02:01 <Eddi|zuHause> just allow string-concatenation? 10:02:47 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: "%04d" % (base+offset) 10:03:22 <Eddi|zuHause> very python-ish :) 10:05:02 <Hirundo> It will be format_string("%s%04d", "zBase", 12) 10:05:17 <planetmaker> nice :-) 10:05:19 <Alberth> planetmaker: http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/diffs/tmpls.patch 10:05:34 <Hirundo> With possibly template foo(a, b) ... format_string("%s%d", a, b) 10:06:41 <planetmaker> also nice :-) 10:08:32 <Hirundo> done 10:10:12 <Terkhen> Alberth: that's why I said for now :P 10:12:07 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:25:01 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:41:22 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-97-92.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:43:31 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-97-92.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:50:02 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 10:50:04 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 11:42:29 *** cyph3r_ [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 11:55:05 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.143.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:05:48 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3c08:19f1:3366:d6e1] has joined #openttd 12:05:51 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:24:14 <dihedral> :o glx did not say hello :-( 12:24:31 <glx> I rarely say hello here ;) 12:25:11 <dihedral> ah :-) 12:25:32 <dihedral> peter1138, i thought Microsoft did support OpenSource (with a certain definition of 'support') 12:37:18 <Belugas> hello 12:38:08 <Belugas> i (most of the time) always do, me! 12:48:23 <peter1138> Hurr, executing an UPDATE in SQL. So far it's taken 2 hours 24 minutes... 12:48:39 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.143.104] has joined #openttd 12:57:35 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-16-17.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 12:59:50 <dihedral> that must be one heck of a statement or there is a lock :-P 13:00:10 <Alberth> or a big query on a small machine :p 13:01:33 <Belugas> or an update on non indexed data fields... 13:03:06 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-93-141.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:04:29 <FLHerne> Is there a way to stop a running GS, similar to stop_ai? 13:06:24 *** Pinkbeast [damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:06:30 *** Pinkbeast [damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk] has joined #openttd 13:07:17 <FLHerne> Alternatively, is there any way to change GS settings without starting another game? 13:10:23 <planetmaker> I believe there is not 13:13:26 <FLHerne> planetmaker :-( 13:13:54 <FLHerne> Presumably in case of game breakage if the GS was doing something weird? 13:16:29 <Alberth> probably nobody has really thought about consequences of such actions at all 13:16:29 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db0f5b1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:22:03 <planetmaker> better safe than sorry ;-) 13:22:27 <planetmaker> game scripts are married to a map as much as newgrfs are 13:33:17 <FLHerne> planetmaker: But you can add/remove NewGRFs anyway :P 13:35:30 <planetmaker> Yep. And GameScripts set the rules properly from the start ;-) 13:37:59 <FLHerne> Ah well, crashed anyway. Now I can start again with better settings :-) 13:47:48 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67BF2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:48:03 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67BF2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 14:07:51 *** Netsplit over, joins: Ammler 14:09:26 *** Ammler [~ammler@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:10:39 *** Ammler [~ammler@101.haydn.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 14:41:49 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@95.154.197.17] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 14:43:17 *** KingJ [~KingJ-OFT@95.154.197.17] has joined #openttd 14:49:42 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:00:16 *** Zahl [~Zahl@88.130.193.65] has quit [Quit: OS shutdown) (*schiel*] 15:05:41 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-172-157.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:05:54 <LordAro> afternoonings 15:06:28 <planetmaker> o/ LordAro 15:08:47 <peter1138> (13:59:52) peter1138: Hurr, executing an UPDATE in SQL. So far it's taken 2 hours 24 minutes... 15:08:56 <peter1138> Final execution time: 4 hours 18 minutes... 15:12:29 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@94.13.8.182] has joined #openttd 15:13:17 <Eddi|zuHause> at least SQL commands are guaranteed to terminate :) 15:21:15 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:35:13 <Rubidium> peter1138: only 4 hours... did a 'EXEC sp_msmakegeneration' a few days ago which took a bit more than 18 hours 15:37:01 <Rubidium> and that code didn't look really optimised; felt like it has at least O(n**2) behaviour, since the longer it was running the slower it became 15:37:49 <Rubidium> but that might be because I removed 8 million records at once; if I would have done them 100k at a time with runs to msmakegeneration it would be done way within 15 minutes 15:39:19 *** telanus1 [~telanus@196-215-153-25.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 15:43:30 <andythenorth> hmm 15:43:40 <andythenorth> might have to redraw all the graphics to 2x zoom level 15:43:43 *** telanus2 [~telanus@196-215-153-25.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 15:43:48 <andythenorth> that will keep me busy 15:43:59 *** telanus [~telanus@196-210-247-225.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:44:04 <planetmaker> make models, andythenorth ;-) 15:46:16 <planetmaker> and script the rest so that you can hit "make render && make grf" :-P 15:47:35 *** telanus1 [~telanus@196-215-153-25.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:49:15 *** telanus [~telanus@196-215-153-25.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 15:52:56 *** telanus2 [~telanus@196-215-153-25.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:57:43 <planetmaker> @kban IrcCrasherDeveloper 15:57:43 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Error: IrcCrasherDeveloper is not in #openttd. 15:57:49 <planetmaker> @ban IrcCrasherDeveloper 15:57:56 <planetmaker> silly advertizement 15:59:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v peter1138] by ChanServ 15:59:33 *** mode/#openttd [+v Alberth] by ChanServ 16:00:34 <andythenorth> ho 16:00:41 <andythenorth> I can build tunnels on coast 16:00:45 <andythenorth> didn't know that 16:00:58 <planetmaker> always or if you bulldoze first? 16:01:13 <andythenorth> always I think 16:01:32 <andythenorth> nice with the canal on water trick 16:01:51 <planetmaker> :-) 16:02:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i used that in my YACD game to fit the transrapid in 16:03:28 * andythenorth likes the tactic 16:08:08 * Sacro licks the tictac 16:30:46 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:31:59 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7549.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:41:03 <peter1138> Rubidium: the 'interesting' part is there was neither CPU, RAM or IO load during any of it. 16:41:15 <peter1138> So I really wonder what it was doing all that time. 16:41:28 <peter1138> CPU constantly at 1-2% 16:41:33 <peter1138> RAM constantly at 2GB used 16:41:55 <peter1138> Hmm, maybe there was disk IO, but I'd expect that to consume CPU cycles if it's busy. 16:42:07 <Rubidium> peter1138: if it's mssql you could look at the activity monitor 16:42:37 <Rubidium> and it might just have been waiting on some table lock 16:45:00 <Rubidium> in my experience it's usually disk io that kills SQL performance 16:45:45 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:48:33 <Rubidium> possibly the SQL is configured to use max 2GB. If it reached that, it's unlikely to return that, unless the system is under memory pressure 16:49:59 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:51:52 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 17:07:41 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:07:47 * andythenorth made a dumb mistake 17:07:54 <andythenorth> cargo subtype != subtype string 17:08:18 <andythenorth> so "foo (Tanker)" and "bar (Cargo vessel)" are both refit cycle 0 :P 17:08:25 <andythenorth> this fucks with my plan tbh :P 17:08:51 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Get another plan :P 17:09:25 * FLHerne gets tied up in incomprehensibly recursive macros :-( 17:09:42 <andythenorth> avoid macros at all costs 17:09:53 <andythenorth> every time you use a macro a kitten dies 17:10:05 <andythenorth> every time you recurse a macro, an entire species of kitten dies 17:10:29 <andythenorth> macros are a necessary evil, best avoided 17:10:55 <andythenorth> string replacement, based on proper methods of proper first class objects 17:10:57 <andythenorth> ftw ^ 17:11:40 *** peter1138 [~petern@petern.bnsnet.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:12:14 <andythenorth> hmm 17:12:23 <andythenorth> maybe he peter1138 likes macros :( 17:13:04 <FLHerne> andythenorth: It autogenerates NML fine, but every time I edit it it autogenerates gibberish instead :P 17:13:41 <andythenorth> what language? 17:14:14 <FLHerne> m4, as I said yesterday. Still trying to wrap my mind round the way it recurses :P 17:15:07 <andythenorth> paste 17:15:42 <andythenorth> I don't know m4, but if someone else looks, you'll see the problem 17:15:52 <FLHerne> Nah, I'll figure it out eventually :P 17:16:37 <FLHerne> Whenever I try to learn something, I manage to create total gibberish for a while :-) 17:19:10 <andythenorth> oops 17:19:18 <andythenorth> I have trolled myself into converting HEQS to trains :P 17:20:14 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@115.133.14.96] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:20:49 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Aaargh! 17:20:59 *** KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.14.96] has joined #openttd 17:21:07 * FLHerne still thinks that's a bad idea :-( 17:33:43 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r24415 /trunk/src/lang/ (croatian.txt german.txt italian.txt vietnamese.txt): 17:33:43 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:33:43 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: croatian - 6 changes by VoyagerOne 17:33:43 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: german - 6 changes by planetmaker 17:33:43 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: italian - 6 changes by lorenzodv 17:33:45 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: vietnamese - 3 changes by nglekhoi 17:41:44 <planetmaker> FLHerne: m4 and nml: did you look at opengfx+train's (experimental) m4nml branch? 17:41:59 <planetmaker> xotic did some work there in that respect 17:42:26 *** Chris_Booth[ph] [~chrisboot@host81-154-231-254.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:43:05 *** KouDy [~KouDy@115.133.14.96] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:43:53 <FLHerne> planetmaker: No. I'm not trying to do anything that complex, though 17:45:09 <frosch123> anyone here running a ottd nightly windows 64bit? 17:46:12 *** Chris_Booth[ph]_ [~chrisboot@213.205.233.57] has joined #openttd 17:46:14 <andythenorth> when does 'extra buy menu text' become 'annoying spam' ? 17:46:33 <frosch123> when it contains an ascii art image of the vehicle 17:46:34 <planetmaker> 3rd line and more ;-) 17:46:40 <andythenorth> so far I have: ship type; refittable capacity information; propulsion information 17:46:45 <planetmaker> tl;dr :-P 17:46:58 <andythenorth> I could also add: loading speed (probly not); cargo aging factor; autorefit info 17:47:04 <andythenorth> yeah that 17:47:15 *** Chris_Booth[ph] [~chrisboot@host81-154-231-254.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 17:47:15 *** Chris_Booth[ph]_ is now known as Chris_Booth[ph] 17:47:23 <andythenorth> when is the new buy menu shipping? 17:47:32 <andythenorth> with the extended area for sprite 17:47:38 <planetmaker> autorefit hint might be nice 17:47:47 <planetmaker> loading speed... well... 17:47:53 <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3115/buy_menu_rework.png 17:48:02 <andythenorth> loading speed is 'meh' I think 17:48:39 <planetmaker> refittable to gear ratio? 17:49:00 <andythenorth> not for ships :P 17:49:16 <andythenorth> hmm 17:49:30 <andythenorth> ship gear = cranes 17:49:38 <andythenorth> ships are ungeared, part-geared, or full-geared 17:49:50 <planetmaker> he 17:49:52 <andythenorth> full-geared ship can reach 100% of it's load space with cranes 17:49:59 <andythenorth> more gear = less cargo capacity 17:50:13 * andythenorth ponders a cargo subtype for gear amount 17:50:20 <andythenorth> affects loading speed 17:50:52 <andythenorth> can anyone spell 'overkill' ? :P 17:52:56 *** Chris_Booth[ph] [~chrisboot@213.205.233.57] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 17:53:12 * andythenorth thinks up other ideas 17:53:21 <andythenorth> with a newgrf generator, it's so easy :P 17:53:42 <andythenorth> ships can steam slow (efficient, cheap), or fast (deliver cargo quicker) 17:53:54 <andythenorth> ships can be ice capable, or not 17:54:40 <andythenorth> ships can have lots of crew (expensive), or legal minimums (more breakdowns) 17:55:16 <andythenorth> ship safe max load can vary between salt water and fresh water 17:55:36 <andythenorth> ships can have refrigeration equipment or not 17:57:31 <andythenorth> newgrfs can have combinatorial explosion of refit menu 17:57:32 <andythenorth> or not 17:59:02 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 18:00:25 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-1.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:08:37 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 18:09:30 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 18:10:55 <FLHerne> andythenorth: We don't have ice yet :P 18:11:13 <andythenorth> we will 18:12:41 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [] 18:15:54 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.132.89.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 18:16:05 *** Supercheese [~chatzilla@50-37-96-233.mscw.id.frontiernet.net] has joined #openttd 18:16:05 <andythenorth> ice is just a matter of hacking rail types a bit 18:16:31 <andythenorth> make all water non-navigable 18:16:50 <andythenorth> then add rail types for ship route / ship route through ice 18:16:58 <FLHerne> ... :o 18:17:03 <andythenorth> and recode all ships as trains 18:17:12 * andythenorth is deadly serious 18:17:31 <andythenorth> unifying transport types is probably the best thing we could do right now 18:17:37 <andythenorth> unifying / deleting non-train types 18:17:37 <FLHerne> While you're at it, why not code helicopters as trains... :P 18:17:40 <andythenorth> yes 18:17:53 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 18:18:13 <andythenorth> it's fine, just do air lanes as tracks 18:18:33 <andythenorth> we'd need to implement them as current tile height +1 18:18:38 <andythenorth> and it would maybe need new map 18:18:55 <andythenorth> but then we could enforce plane separation etc 18:19:09 <andythenorth> ships-as-trains would no longer drive through each other, nor have infinite capacity 18:19:25 <andythenorth> we could stop discussing multi-stop docks 18:19:28 <andythenorth> and flat docks 18:19:33 <andythenorth> and new ports 18:19:36 <andythenorth> and newgrf airports 18:19:38 <andythenorth> and roadtypes 18:19:47 <Alberth> and openttd 18:19:50 <Alberth> :) 18:20:13 <andythenorth> Alberth: it would be the ultimate comeback to "it's just a train game" :) 18:20:50 <Alberth> yes, no need to discuss new features, it's done 18:20:50 <andythenorth> this + the plan frosch123 suggested to make all object-y things 'cargo' 18:21:08 <andythenorth> we will need some trunk patches 18:21:17 <andythenorth> but mostly this can then be delegated to existing newgrf spec 18:21:47 <frosch123> i hope you are not quoting me out of context :) 18:22:02 <andythenorth> industries-are-just-cargo? 18:22:18 <Alberth> moving industries, finally!! 18:22:24 <andythenorth> maybe that was a fake-frosch :) 18:27:36 <NataS> hmm, if industries were produced in other industries, and had to be shipped to there construction site 18:27:38 <NataS> that would be cool 18:27:49 <NataS> i mean some sets have construction materials 18:27:58 <NataS> but it just goes to towns 18:28:18 <NataS> a high value one time shipment that turns into a normal route after would be cool 18:34:43 <andythenorth> for autorefit (nml) is cb sufficient? or do I need flag as well? 18:38:39 <Alberth> NataS: try Settlers or Widelands ? 18:38:59 <TrueBrain> I am happy to annouance that the Compile Farm is back on its feet, and is compiling a new nightly as we speak; should be done in 20-ish minutes :) 18:39:00 <NataS> hmm? 18:39:15 <LordAro> yay :) 18:39:24 <LordAro> what was the problem? 18:40:04 <TrueBrain> Java being java; it used 100% CPU no matter what; a cold restart solved the problem magically ... but in the meantime I did update all the software related to it, so meh :) 18:41:06 <TrueBrain> and Bamboo 4.1 is a lot better; lot of kewl new features :) 18:41:30 <LordAro> yay, new features :) 18:41:42 <LordAro> glad there was no huge problem 18:41:44 <TrueBrain> it also is a lot faster :) 18:41:50 <frosch123> ah, the farm reset the fail statistics 18:41:56 <frosch123> now it looks better again :) 18:41:59 <TrueBrain> haha 18:42:29 <NataS> dosn't java have a wll publicized memory leak? 18:42:54 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.143.104] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:42:54 <TrueBrain> Java is a language; it is like saying C has a memory leak 18:42:58 <TrueBrain> it makes no sense (at all) 18:47:53 <LordAro> owned :P 18:48:06 * NataS shrugs 18:48:14 <Xaroth> +1 TrueBrain 18:49:37 * telanus smiles, posted his fist post on the forum :D 18:50:32 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-231-254.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:52:37 * andythenorth is falling asleep into his keyboard 18:52:41 <andythenorth> two nights of sick baby 18:52:46 <TrueBrain> into?! 18:52:49 <TrueBrain> that is rather painful 18:52:50 <andythenorth> tino 18:52:55 <andythenorth> hmm 18:52:56 <andythenorth> into 18:53:08 <TrueBrain> but that sucks ... babies should never be sick 18:53:18 <andythenorth> ideally not :P 18:53:19 <TrueBrain> (s)he better now? 18:53:23 <andythenorth> not yet 18:53:32 <andythenorth> same again tonight 18:53:33 <TrueBrain> :( 18:53:39 <andythenorth> not very sick, just awake and loud 18:53:47 <andythenorth> and sicky 18:54:06 * andythenorth thinks time to go ;) 18:54:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 18:54:15 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r24416 /trunk/src/stdafx.h: -Fix [FS#5231]: [Win32] Unbreak NewGRF MD5 sum calculation. Macros and side effects don't mix, especially if there's some obscure '#define min' in a windows header that nobody thinks of. 18:54:45 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-1.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 19:00:16 <TrueBrain> Nightly r24415 is now published! Party like it is 1999! 19:00:35 * Rubidium snores ;) 19:02:53 *** DOUK [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-16-149.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:03:20 <DDR> Oops. :P 19:03:50 * Xaroth throws a bucket of water over Rubidium to wake him up 19:04:08 *** Sleepie [~Sleepie@p50847935.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:04:40 <Sleepie> good evening 19:06:04 <Rubidium> moin 19:06:16 <Rubidium> Xaroth: pff... you can't throw that far! 19:06:36 <Xaroth> same country, unless you're still online while on vacation, so not -that- far 19:07:54 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-16-17.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:09:34 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: michi_cc * r24417 /trunk/src/ (fileio_func.h ini.cpp os/windows/win32.cpp): -Codechange: [Win32] Don't needlessly include windows.h in a commonly used header. 19:16:40 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:32:16 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has joined #openttd 19:32:42 <Wolf01> hello 19:35:35 <Sleepie> hi 19:41:39 <Alberth> hi hi 19:42:16 <planetmaker> hi hi hi 19:42:41 <FLHerne> hi hi hi hi? 19:44:27 <Wolf01> hi hi hi hi hi! 19:44:46 <Sleepie> ho 19:45:52 <Supercheese> hi^9 19:46:11 <Sleepie> thats cheating 19:46:43 <Supercheese> for (int i=0, i<100, i++) 19:46:48 <Supercheese> print "Hi"; 19:46:49 <Sleepie> lol 19:46:52 <Supercheese> or something 19:47:11 <Supercheese> lazy-code :P 19:47:35 <TrueBrain> geeks 19:48:32 <Xaroth> print "hi " * 10000000 19:48:46 <TrueBrain> @kick Xaroth it is no longer funny 19:48:46 *** Xaroth was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [it is no longer funny] 19:48:52 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@059-057-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 19:49:08 <Xaroth> pff @ tb 19:49:26 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has left #openttd [] 19:49:29 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@anon.xmission.com] has joined #openttd 19:51:00 *** KritiK [~Maxim@176.14.220.249] has joined #openttd 19:54:05 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> synthon.oftc.net quits: Rubidium, pugi, namad7, CornishPasty, FlyingFoX, snorre, Kylie, Eddi|zuHause, lobster 19:54:15 *** Netsplit over, joins: lobster, Eddi|zuHause, pugi, snorre, CornishPasty, Kylie, namad7, Rubidium, FlyingFoX 19:54:17 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:54:29 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 19:55:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6D8D0.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:56:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6D8D0.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:57:21 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:59:40 *** __ln__ [~lauri@dyn-xdsl-83-150-116-30.nebulazone.fi] has joined #openttd 20:11:04 <frosch123> night 20:11:06 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7549.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:14:46 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:17:46 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-231-254.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:35:15 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@1RDAAC4LI.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: gone] 20:37:58 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-231-254.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:45:59 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.132.89.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:46:20 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.132.89.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 20:47:01 *** Markavian [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:49:35 <Terkhen> good night 20:51:48 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:54:38 <Sleepie> night 21:07:16 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:09:49 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-2-5.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 21:10:47 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:10:51 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:45:03 <Supercheese> I presume if I provide 32bpp sprites with the alternative_sprites block in NML, the resultant GRF automatically tells OTTD it prefers a 32bpp blitter, yes? 21:48:45 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host81-154-231-254.range81-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:50:08 <FLHerne> When did that button to allow smaller toolbars come in? 21:50:15 * FLHerne just noticed it 21:50:35 <planetmaker> the looping arrow? longer than 4 years ago 21:50:59 <planetmaker> Supercheese: that assumption iirc is coorect 21:51:14 <FLHerne> planetmaker: :o 21:51:30 <FLHerne> Sure it wasn't there last time I looked... 21:51:41 <planetmaker> old toad ;-) 21:52:25 <planetmaker> feel free to try old openttd versions. I'm quite sure it was already in 0.5 21:52:33 <FLHerne> Well, I wasn't playing four years ago, so it must have been there... :P 21:58:37 <planetmaker> hm, I just checked. September 2007 it was not present ;-) 21:59:44 <planetmaker> In 2009 it was present 22:01:45 <Sleepie> Which button you're talking about? 22:02:38 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.70.174] has joined #openttd 22:02:55 <M1zera> "shade window" button 22:02:55 <planetmaker> He. 2008 it was also not present. So it was introduced in 0.7 22:03:05 <planetmaker> nope. The toolbar toggle button 22:03:25 <planetmaker> which is only visible, if you make the window smaller than ~300px or so 22:03:30 <Sleepie> ah those ones 22:03:39 <FLHerne> Neat. 22:03:49 * FLHerne wonders how he missed that 22:03:57 <planetmaker> big screens? :-) 22:04:14 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 22:04:26 <FLHerne> I have some things with small screens, too :P Possibly not small enough though 22:05:15 <Supercheese> Oh, I've never made my window that small before 22:05:18 <Supercheese> Interesting 22:06:01 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 22:06:51 <Sleepie> me too 22:07:57 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.76.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:08:58 <Sleepie> a hidden feature? or is this documented in the wiki 22:09:16 * Sleepie goes reading the wiki 22:12:28 <planetmaker> I've seen it in the wiki 22:13:05 <Sleepie> i only found it in the changelog for 0.7 but not in the game interface docu 22:13:25 <Sleepie> I may have overlooked it though 22:15:16 <planetmaker> I don't see it where I exepected it 22:15:26 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_interface 22:19:33 <planetmaker> [default | public] (9425) (svn r13339) -Feature: splitting of the main toolbar when the resolution becomes very low so the buttons are still visible and useable. Patch by Dominik. 22:20:02 <Sleepie> Yes thats what I mean it is missing on ^that wikipage... 22:20:20 <planetmaker> Add it :-) 22:20:43 <Sleepie> I will not a big deal 22:21:10 *** Supercheese [~chatzilla@50-37-96-233.mscw.id.frontiernet.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:21:39 *** Supercheese [~chatzilla@50-37-107-36.mscw.id.frontiernet.net] has joined #openttd 22:21:40 <Sleepie> Do you have some tech infos like screensize to get this visible 22:22:11 <glx> less than 640px wide IIRC 22:22:12 <Sleepie> Otherwise I'll just make approximations by selftesting 22:22:32 <Sleepie> From what I see here it seems even less 22:22:33 <planetmaker> glx: no, smaller 22:22:51 <planetmaker> the toolbar itself is not 640px 22:23:01 <glx> I though it was 22:23:23 <planetmaker> let's test :-) 22:24:10 <Sleepie> I have 426 currently 22:24:31 <planetmaker> you might be right, glx 22:24:53 <planetmaker> but the button appears at 480 or so 22:25:57 <Sleepie> I think this value should be ok for the wiki 22:26:10 <Sleepie> I'll make a screenshot anyway 22:27:08 <planetmaker> 460 seems to be the limit here 22:27:16 <M1zera> I have one problem when I'm playing openttd... 22:27:56 <M1zera> my dream is to transfer everything on the map everywhere... 22:28:16 <M1zera> but I always get to point when I stop building new tracks and start watching trains... 22:28:23 <planetmaker> :-D 22:28:31 <planetmaker> sounds familiar 22:28:47 <Sleepie> planetmaker: maybe it depends also on fullsceen or windowed mode and OS and Aero or Classic (Win) or ... ;) 22:29:15 <planetmaker> Sleepie: I'm moderately sure it doesn't 22:30:01 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-1.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 22:30:57 <Sleepie> planetmaker: fair enough I was quickly resizing the window 22:31:49 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db0f5b1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us] 22:31:51 <Sleepie> and in the end who cares about 20 pixels 22:32:43 * Sleepie sometimes also just watches his trains... 22:33:26 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 22:34:41 <Sleepie> planetmaker: I'll add to the wiki tomorrow and give you pointer for review 22:34:50 <Sleepie> +a 22:36:17 <planetmaker> "if we can't fit half the buttons and the panels anymore, split the toolbar in two */" 22:38:12 <Sleepie> toolbar_gui.cpp (1436) ;) 22:38:21 <planetmaker> from ...^ 22:40:53 *** Markavian [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:44:00 <Sleepie> so it depends if you are playing or creating maps 22:45:25 <Sleepie> for scenario editor it is about 300px to get the toggle button up 22:47:41 <planetmaker> yes. Toolbars are different 22:52:47 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 22:52:49 <Sleepie> And no statusbar in scenario editor 22:56:22 * Sleepie have a break for a smoke 23:11:52 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:11:58 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Hugs to all] 23:24:16 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 23:24:16 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:34:07 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-1.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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