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00:38:45 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:39:19 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 00:39:43 <Silo> stop_ai <company_slot> what is the company slot? 00:48:50 <Eddi|zuHause> a number between 1 and 14 00:49:14 <Eddi|zuHause> (0 is your own company) 00:51:16 <Eddi|zuHause> you should be able to run "companies" to find out which ones are used. or the AI debug window (in the [?] menu) 00:56:28 *** mbrit [~mbrit@186.120.97.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:10:15 *** APTX_ [APTX@89-74-57-139.dynamic.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:10:49 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:91c0:90a8:37fc:4aa1] has quit [Quit: bye] 01:17:41 *** APTX [APTX@2001:470:1f0b:1a9d:240:63ff:fefb:5994] has joined #openttd 01:31:48 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 01:37:30 *** KouDy [~KouDy@175.137.102.26] has joined #openttd 01:46:39 *** APTX_ [APTX@2001:470:1f0b:1a9d:240:63ff:fefb:5994] has joined #openttd 01:46:58 *** APTX [APTX@2001:470:1f0b:1a9d:240:63ff:fefb:5994] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:04:38 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-9-165.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:18:02 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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06:59:19 <__ln__> bad 06:59:31 <Supercheese> "Ã¥öÃ?öÃÂ¥." 06:59:34 <Supercheese> :\ 06:59:48 <telanus> good @340 to you 07:07:04 <NGC3982> Supercheese: :( 07:40:53 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 07:42:39 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has joined #openttd 07:42:41 <dihedral> greetings 07:46:20 <telanus> this is the place to get the lang file for translation? http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ogfx-trains/repository/changes/lang/english.lng 07:46:33 <telanus> for ogfx-trains 07:47:15 <Alberth> if there is no file for your language, yes, english is the simplest starting point 07:48:12 <telanus> thanx 07:49:05 <Alberth> any other language file can also be used but they may be out of date w.r.t. the master lang file 08:10:59 *** MINM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:12:59 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 08:15:59 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-22-214.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 08:16:52 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.64.121.221] has joined #openttd 08:16:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 08:19:33 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-22-214.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:19:36 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 08:21:10 <Terkhen> good morning 08:21:45 <Alberth> moin Terkhen 08:49:50 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 09:08:04 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-207-71.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 09:13:52 *** tokai [~tokai@port-92-195-22-214.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:14:24 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-9-165.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 09:29:51 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 09:31:30 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has joined #openttd 09:48:36 *** Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 10:30:21 * NGC3982 wants to play 10:31:39 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 10:35:38 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:39:27 <andythenorth> the var61 thing? 10:39:43 <andythenorth> can't that be done by checking consist length and subtracting current vehicle's position? 10:39:47 <andythenorth> to get an offset? 10:40:02 <andythenorth> i.e. advanced varact 2, no special cases to trip up the unwary 10:40:08 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 10:40:25 <Eddi|zuHause> not even that complicated 10:40:38 <Eddi|zuHause> query the related object and put in the consist length 10:41:05 <michi_cc> andythenorth: Of course it can, var 40 has the consist length, but apparently that is too special for mb. 10:59:51 *** mb [~ttdpatch@dyndsl-031-150-016-047.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 11:00:34 <mb> I just wanted to avoid the introduction of a "special" parameter in m4nfo function veh_getinfo(). 11:00:44 <mb> And BTW, most of those counter arguments were moot ... 11:01:57 *** mb [~ttdpatch@dyndsl-031-150-016-047.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 11:02:18 *** APTX [APTX@2001:470:1f0b:1a9d:240:63ff:fefb:5994] has joined #openttd 11:02:19 *** NataS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 11:02:44 *** telanus1 [~telanus@196-215-17-200.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 11:03:13 *** KenjiE20|SSH [kenjie20@supporter.blinkenshell.org] has joined #openttd 11:03:33 <peter1138> ^^^ o_O 11:04:03 *** confound_ [~hdp@glaive.weftsoar.net] has joined #openttd 11:04:12 *** tparker_ [~tparker@2600:3c03::1d:4242] has joined #openttd 11:04:36 *** orudge` [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 11:04:54 *** jonty-co1p [~jonty@borealis.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 11:05:05 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> charm.oftc.net quits: KenjiE20, jonty-comp, Vadtec, @orudge, confound, Nat_aS, Born_Acorn, tparker, APTX_, AlexAR, (+2 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 11:05:17 *** orudge` is now known as orudge 11:05:23 *** telanus1 is now known as telanus 11:05:27 <peter1138> Do you watch often, mb? 11:06:00 *** mode/#openttd [+o orudge] by ChanServ 11:06:18 <NGC3982> in the FIRS primary industries with more then one cargo; shipping cargo #1 doesnt affect cargo #2, right? 11:06:43 <andythenorth> totally unconnected 11:06:48 <NGC3982> ah, i see. 11:06:53 <NGC3982> i understood this correctly, then. 11:06:58 <andythenorth> there is no magic specific to FIRS that isn't explained 11:07:05 <andythenorth> or that we don't at least try to explain 11:07:11 * andythenorth hates magic 11:07:20 <NGC3982> i read something about it, but i didnt really.. understand. 11:08:11 *** Netsplit over, joins: ivan` 11:08:32 <andythenorth> stick some feedback in if you can find the bit that you read 11:08:42 *** Netsplit over, joins: Born_Acorn 11:09:45 <NGC3982> yes 11:11:58 *** jonty-co1p is now known as jonty-comp 11:12:46 <NGC3982> andythenorth: i noted that you are the head chicken in the pound of FIRS 11:12:52 <NGC3982> i really like it. :) 11:20:16 <andythenorth> good :) 11:20:29 <andythenorth> that's what we go to school for 11:31:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know what you did in school, but we played Doppelkopf whenever we could... 11:33:03 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.64.121.221] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:37:25 *** TechnoBass [6570734e@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:37:39 <andythenorth> I mostly didn't go to school if I could avoid it 11:37:43 <andythenorth> there was nothing useful there 11:37:53 <TechnoBass> Is there anyone in here? 11:38:12 <andythenorth> yup 11:38:24 <TechnoBass> So wats da topic???? 11:38:44 <Eddi|zuHause> "1.2.1 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only" 11:39:22 <TechnoBass> Very Helpful Considering i dont know wat that means 11:40:50 <TechnoBass> Hello 11:41:50 <Alberth> you do know you are in #openttd, right? 11:41:58 <TechnoBass> I hate the boring topic 11:42:04 <TechnoBass> Umm yes 11:42:33 <Zuu> Why care about the topic? 11:42:40 <TechnoBass> # Openttd What is it? 11:42:54 <Alberth> see www.openttd.org 11:43:25 <TechnoBass> It is the forum and am Do you have something with me? 11:43:50 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 11:43:50 <TechnoBass> Darn stupid translation 11:44:32 <TechnoBass> Since I have been using the translation, I can not speak English I is I do not think that 's work 11:44:52 <Eddi|zuHause> there is a german forum at www.tt-ms.de 11:45:27 <TechnoBass> What about translations cheating? 11:45:58 <TechnoBass> What about inaccurate translations? 11:46:53 <TechnoBass> is so difficult to communicate in a different language, when in fact make sense 11:47:00 <Eddi|zuHause> which translaton? 11:47:04 <Zuu> If you know german, frensh or any other language which an OpenTTD community, you might try there instead of using a translator? 11:47:12 <TechnoBass> is so difficult to communicate in a different language, when in fact I do not make sense 11:47:30 <Zuu> ... which have an ... * 11:47:31 <TechnoBass> I speak Japanese 11:48:12 <Zuu> I would be surprised if there isn't a japanese forum. Although I have never been looking for one as I wouldn't understand a word. :-) 11:48:15 <Eddi|zuHause> there is also a japanese community 11:48:41 <TechnoBass> I avoid speaking Westerners 11:49:01 <TechnoBass> I mean to avoid 11:49:22 <TechnoBass> Dam ARRRRGGGGGHHH translation 11:49:45 <TechnoBass> I mean to avoid 11:50:00 <TechnoBass> ... 11:50:19 <TechnoBass> It is not translated the right word why? 11:51:06 <TechnoBass> Can you tell the link for my Japanese community? 11:51:09 <Zuu> translators that don't use full information about the situation tend to pick the wrong word from time to time. 11:51:25 <Zuu> Even a human translator is not perfect either. 11:51:40 <TechnoBass> (^_^) True Ture 11:51:47 <TechnoBass> *True 11:52:17 <Eddi|zuHause> he's got batman ears! shoot him! 11:52:24 <TechnoBass> Your language, it is translated from the right is me How can I see you talking about? 11:52:55 <TechnoBass> I Mean Can You see The Language That I am being Translated From Right? 11:53:34 <TechnoBass> Ek Like Pie ^ _ ^ 11:53:46 <TechnoBass> I liked Pie ^ _ ^ 11:53:53 <Zuu> I don't have a link. It is probably easiest found if searching in japanese on google, but I don't know japanese. 11:54:14 <TechnoBass> ok Thank you 11:54:28 *** TechnoBass [6570734e@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:56:31 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@2001:470:1f06:13e0::1337] has joined #openttd 11:57:33 *** guru3 [~guru3@81-224-161-252-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:57:52 *** guru3 [~guru3@81-224-161-252-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 11:58:23 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> kinetic.oftc.net quits: NGC3982, Arafangion, Devroush, Mazur, Pinkbeast, devilsadvocate, CornishPasty, LordPixaII, KingJ, sla_ro|master, (+10 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 11:58:36 *** Netsplit over, joins: ivan`, Arafangion, Devroush, sla_ro|master, KouDy, LordPixaII, Markk, KingJ, CornishPasty, Pinkbeast (+10 more) 12:14:02 *** Nullable [~Nullable@192.36.80.8] has joined #openttd 12:15:40 *** Nullable [~Nullable@192.36.80.8] has quit [] 12:19:08 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:152a:e559:6bd9:ed91] has joined #openttd 12:19:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 12:21:11 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-074-162.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 12:30:08 *** tparker_ is now known as tparker 12:33:31 <Varazir> Is there a way to replace a tranin with the same model with out clone the train ? 12:33:43 <Zuu> yes 12:33:50 <NGC3982> im getting reports on a lot of people being unable to download files from the online content. 12:33:51 <Zuu> autorenew 12:34:02 <NGC3982> and something about lots of them being corrupt. 12:34:08 <NGC3982> are all of the online-content from the same source? 12:34:30 <NGC3982> (with "online-content" as the usable function in the game) 12:34:34 <Varazir> Zuu: is it a consol command ? 12:34:59 <Zuu> Varazir: Not as far as I know. It's the name of the feature. You enable it through the advanced settings. 12:35:06 <Varazir> ok 12:35:45 <Zuu> In adv. settings you set the money and age limit before it will kick in. It might also be possible to turn it off completely there. 12:37:12 <Zuu> Some help about the settings can be found here: http://wiki.openttd.org/Autorenew#Autorenew 12:43:25 <Varazir> I would like to replace them every x year 12:45:21 <Zuu> The feature exist to stop you from having to do tedious manual work, but still not allow you to get fresh (<2 year old) vehicles without having to do any work. 12:46:28 <Zuu> Set the age limit to -12 months, and your vehicles will be replaced one year before it will complain about being old. 12:48:53 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 12:52:22 <Varazir> ok I can accept not auto just that I can replace the tranin with the same model and not have to replace them model x and back to the model y again 12:54:09 <Varazir> if it's not going to happen I guess cloning is the next best thing 12:55:42 <Varazir> I'll look at the adv option 12:55:47 <michi_cc> NGC3982: Using nightlies on windows? 12:56:27 <michi_cc> Then it might be http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5231 unless it is a very recent nightly. 12:59:06 <NGC3982> michi_cc: no, 1.2.1 stable. 12:59:09 <NGC3982> ah 12:59:13 <NGC3982> for me, yes. 12:59:24 <NGC3982> michi_cc: ill have a version check with the people that reported errors. 13:03:39 <Terkhen> Varazir: using advanced orders you can stop vehicles with a given age in a specific depot 13:04:43 <Terkhen> although you still need to clone new ones that should reduce micromanagement a bit 13:06:00 <Varazir> Terkhen: ok 13:06:15 <Varazir> thanks 13:06:53 <Terkhen> yw 13:07:00 <Alberth> alternatively, spend your time expanding the network :) 13:15:39 <Belugas> hello 13:19:45 <andythenorth> hmm 13:20:18 <andythenorth> FISH 13:20:45 <andythenorth> if the config for a vehicle specifies which other vehicle replaces it... 13:20:53 <andythenorth> I can automate all the model life crap 13:21:33 <andythenorth> make the computer do the maths 13:23:56 <Alberth> +1 13:31:40 <Eddi|zuHause> that's exactly what i did in CETS 13:32:25 <Eddi|zuHause> (because of the flexible sets within CETS, i occasionally specify multiple replacements, of which the earliest available is taken) 13:34:19 <andythenorth> ah 13:34:34 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause you did it in nml? or in python when processing config? 13:34:47 <Eddi|zuHause> both 13:36:03 <Eddi|zuHause> in python i calculate the difference in years, and in nml i use ternary operator for model_life = orig_model_life + vehicle1_available?-5:vehicle2_available?-2:0; or similar 13:36:44 <Eddi|zuHause> where "available" means "is selected by parameter" 13:38:33 <Eddi|zuHause> and where "orig_model_life" is calculated based on real stats for when the vehicle was removed from service 13:38:36 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:48:49 <andythenorth> ta 13:50:00 <Eddi|zuHause> since you don't have this dynamic approach of selecting or deselecting certain vehicles, you can do all in nml, i suppose 13:50:21 <Eddi|zuHause> except for looking up the introduction year for the replacement vehicle 13:50:45 <andythenorth> I can get that at compile time, python obj. ref 13:50:50 <andythenorth> all is well :) 13:51:20 <Eddi|zuHause> the formula would be "model_life = replacement.introduction - this.introduction + this.vehicle_life;" 13:51:43 <Eddi|zuHause> early retire stays the same 13:55:13 <andythenorth> +1 13:55:36 <andythenorth> isn't it nicer writing nml with python objects in scope? :) 13:55:40 <andythenorth> for the vehicles... 13:56:59 <Alberth> merge nml and python into one language? 13:57:13 <andythenorth> what would you suggest? 13:57:16 <andythenorth> xml? 13:57:32 <andythenorth> Alberth: more seriously... 13:57:38 <andythenorth> hide the actual need to write nml? 13:57:49 <andythenorth> just create props on python objs? 13:58:04 <Alberth> something like that 13:58:25 <Alberth> or even create NML ast directly from python, skipping the parsing 13:58:51 <Alberth> origin tracking will be a bitch probably :( 14:03:14 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:20:25 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:32:25 <planetmaker> moin 14:40:50 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f401f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:42:38 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:44:02 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-105-242.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:51:45 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-105-242.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:51:59 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-105-242.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:56:49 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.64.121.221] has joined #openttd 14:56:52 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 14:56:55 <peter1138> well, this is bullshit 14:58:28 <Belugas> yes it is indeed 15:02:10 <LordAro> depends what scope you are in 15:05:29 *** KouDy [~KouDy@175.137.102.26] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:06:58 *** KouDy [~KouDy@175.137.102.26] has joined #openttd 15:08:14 *** Arafangion [~Arafangio@220-244-108-23.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:09:15 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.64.121.221] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10:10 <planetmaker> 15:58 NGC3982: [14:46:37] im getting reports on a lot of people being unable to download files from the online content. <-- that would need to be much more specific, please 15:10:20 <planetmaker> reports like "stuff doesn't work" cannot be fixed 15:14:15 <telanus> cool. ogfx-trains translated into afrikaans 15:14:51 *** KenjiE20|SSH [kenjie20@supporter.blinkenshell.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:15:04 <planetmaker> :-) 15:16:26 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-074-162.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 15:16:28 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@supporter.blinkenshell.org] has joined #openttd 15:16:35 <Terkhen> telanus: translations for ogfx rv are welcome too :) 15:16:36 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.64.121.221] has joined #openttd 15:16:39 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 15:16:42 <peter1138> This is _still_ bullshit. 15:18:13 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@94.13.8.182] has joined #openttd 15:21:28 <peter1138> So I thought, hey, I could use this package and that package in the new version... so upgraded. 15:21:41 <peter1138> Two words: GNOME 3. 15:22:00 <peter1138> Utter useless heap of shite. Totally different from GNOME 2. 15:22:48 <telanus> Terkhen: I'll do it tomorrow 15:23:24 <Alberth> peter1138: yep, I switched to KDE 15:23:39 <Terkhen> telanus: awesome, thanks :) 15:23:45 <telanus> :D 15:23:54 * Terkhen switched to xfce 15:24:48 <peter1138> I can't believe they've made it so useless. So useless that changing fonts is an advanced setting that you need a special tool for... 15:27:00 * Mazur also uses XFCE. 15:27:15 <Alberth> my biggest problem was the desktops moving when you close some application 15:27:15 <Mazur> Because of Gnome 3. 15:27:35 * telanus uses KDE 15:27:46 <Mazur> My problem was not having my panels on top and botrtom anymore. 15:27:58 * telanus also uses Windows 15:28:20 <Mazur> And wit KDE it was having a kbuildsycoca stuck in a loop eating up one CPU. 15:28:22 <Alberth> does that have two panels? 15:29:50 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 15:31:17 <peter1138> metacity --replace&& 15:31:22 <peter1138> gnome-panel& 15:31:25 <peter1138> -& 15:31:44 <peter1138> Not quite Gnome 2 but so... 15:32:16 <peter1138> Gnome 3 is clearly designed for a use-case of not using a computer. 15:34:51 <frosch123> i heard that kde4 is getting usable again 15:35:06 <frosch123> though i did not hear it yet from someone trustworthy 15:37:14 *** Matulla [~chatzilla@95-89-236-191-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 15:37:26 <peter1138> Right, I might trash this install and go back to Squeeze... 15:37:55 <Matulla> Hi all can i get a Trainstation split in length so 2 trains are able to unload one behind the other 15:37:56 <frosch123> haha, luckily i installed it only in a vm, so i have still squeeze 15:38:32 <frosch123> Matulla: no, you can only build two stations, and add enough signalling between them 15:38:43 <Matulla> or does parallel unload/load only work in paralles stations 15:41:58 <peter1138> Not a huge issue, this was an old lenny install and had a load of cruft in /usr/local. Installing Squeeze doesn't actually take long at all. 15:47:03 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.64.121.221] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:48:01 *** glx is now known as Guest843 15:48:01 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:152a:e559:6bd9:ed91] has joined #openttd 15:48:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 15:48:01 *** glx_ is now known as glx 15:49:00 *** Matulla [~chatzilla@95-89-236-191-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 13.0/20120601201853]] 15:50:33 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:50:57 *** tycoondemon2 [~ashnohoe@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:51:41 *** tycoondemon2 [~ashnohoe@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 15:51:55 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 15:52:38 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 15:53:12 *** cypher [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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I don't know other updated options 17:01:20 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@81.152.252.18] has joined #openttd 17:29:48 <peter1138> Okay, XFCE is more pleasant than GNOME 3... 17:29:55 <peter1138> ... and I hated XFCE... 17:30:54 *** TWerkhoven [~twerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: He who can look into the future, has a brighter future to look into] 17:31:37 *** telanus1 [~telanus@196-215-17-200.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 17:32:38 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: translators * r24436 /trunk/src/lang/korean.txt: 17:32:38 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:32:38 <CIA-4> OpenTTD: korean - 7 changes by telk5093 17:35:15 *** telanus [~telanus@196-215-17-200.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:48:24 <LordAro> peter1138: ^^ 17:48:35 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has joined #openttd 17:49:18 <Wolf01> helloink 17:53:14 <andythenorth> the sky is falling! :o 17:53:17 <andythenorth> oop 17:53:22 <andythenorth> wrong channel 17:53:35 <__ln__> it's falling and you wouldn't have told us?! 17:54:03 <Alberth> he just did, didn't he? 17:54:36 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has left #openttd [] 17:54:53 <andythenorth> ^ worried about the sky 17:55:01 <andythenorth> probably building an underground shelter 17:56:13 * andythenorth concludes that MB got the ship type balance very correct in New Ships 17:56:26 <andythenorth> I have been trying to avoid aping that set, it exists already 17:56:44 <andythenorth> but for gameplay purposes, the ship types are correct 18:02:03 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@81.152.252.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:07:29 *** telanus1 is now known as telanus 18:08:22 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@81.152.252.18] has joined #openttd 18:15:30 <andythenorth> hmm 18:15:33 <andythenorth> broken down vehicles 18:15:34 *** Sleepie [~Sleepie@p50846B95.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:15:41 <andythenorth> vehicles-in-vehicles surely? 18:15:42 <Sleepie> moin 18:20:48 <andythenorth> "But if you want roads itself producing cargos, I must be in the imaginary boundary of hell and heaven." 18:20:51 <andythenorth> frosch123: ^ 18:21:00 <andythenorth> "everything is cargo" :D 18:21:04 <NGC3982> http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/539036_10150953334526466_898713133_n.jpg 18:21:07 <NGC3982> jesus.. 18:21:27 <andythenorth> should I be putting tinfoil on electrical things? 18:22:39 <telanus> this would be a nightmare to implement , or so I think: 18:22:41 <telanus> http://onlyhdwallpapers.com/wallpaper/train_loading_ferry_high_resolution_desktop_3504x2332_hd-wallpaper-495026.jpg 18:23:32 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d161-184-227-133.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 18:24:06 <andythenorth> it's just a cargo tile (ship) that can move 18:24:11 <andythenorth> loading other cargo (trains) 18:24:18 <andythenorth> containing cargo 18:24:42 <andythenorth> which it can do because the ship itself contains a type of cargo called (station) 18:24:45 <andythenorth> simples 18:24:51 <telanus> nice 18:25:02 <andythenorth> telanus: sadly I am trolling 18:25:13 <andythenorth> frosch123 made a funny joke recently, and I have been unable to let it drop 18:25:21 <andythenorth> despite it was only funny the first time 18:26:23 <frosch123> the problem is that there are only 32 rail types 18:26:30 <frosch123> err, cargos 18:26:51 <andythenorth> pool 18:26:54 <frosch123> so the sum of all vehicle types, railtypes, industries and houses cannot go above 32 18:27:23 <andythenorth> ach, but we need to extend that anyway 18:27:28 <andythenorth> 65536 enough? 18:27:29 <frosch123> though if you use "autorail" as cargo you can at least build tracks in all directions instead of using 4 slots for a single railtype 18:38:51 <andythenorth> http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=1498620 18:39:02 <andythenorth> no rear watertight doors? 18:39:08 <andythenorth> following swell might not be pleasant 18:39:30 <andythenorth> they probably know more about naval architecture than me though :P 18:39:57 <frosch123> looks like the water can easily flow out of the back 18:40:04 <frosch123> so, doesn't that make it unsinkable? 18:40:23 <andythenorth> the upper deck might be an addition 18:41:23 <blathijs> Aren't we looking at the front of the ship, here? 18:41:26 <andythenorth> pre-upgrade http://www.bennettoffshore.com/images/railcar_001.jpg 18:41:31 <blathijs> (Also, it looks like half a ship to me...) 18:41:46 <andythenorth> post upgrade http://www.bennettoffshore.com/images/railcar_002.jpg 18:48:01 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-97-92.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 18:54:37 * Belugas enjoys DeathMole - Harpies, from Absent Gods & Creatures Foul 18:55:48 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@81.152.252.18] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:59:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A938.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:14:24 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:17:54 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-074-162.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 19:20:34 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@81.152.252.18] has joined #openttd 19:24:30 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db0f49c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 19:25:57 *** Supercheese [~chatzilla@50.37.127.81] has joined #openttd 19:37:52 *** telanus [~telanus@196-215-17-200.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:41:00 *** telanus [~telanus@196-215-17-200.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 19:42:13 <andythenorth> mm 19:42:15 <andythenorth> boat names 19:42:23 <frosch123> picard 19:42:47 <Rubidium> enterprise 19:43:04 <frosch123> too fast for a boat 19:43:05 <Rubidium> titanic ;) 19:43:32 <Rubidium> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Enterprise_%281705%29 <- I doubt it given those specs ;) 19:44:37 <andythenorth> hmm 19:48:55 <andythenorth> another floating cargo http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=404516&nseq=22 19:49:05 <NGC3982> oh 19:49:09 <NGC3982> great picture. 19:49:13 <andythenorth> could make stations vehicles :P 19:49:29 <andythenorth> could make vehicles vehicles 19:49:44 <NGC3982> train ferry? 19:49:47 <NGC3982> please, please. 19:49:51 <NGC3982> make it, and make my day. 19:51:08 <andythenorth> special rail type 19:51:20 <andythenorth> hmm 19:51:22 * andythenorth ponders 19:51:32 <andythenorth> if the *train* sprites also showed ferry 19:51:38 <andythenorth> when on a certain railtype 19:51:44 <andythenorth> and cb36 for speed 19:51:49 <andythenorth> yeah, it can be done 19:52:04 <andythenorth> just need a special bridge, a special railtype, and some madness with sprites 19:52:34 <NGC3982> to make a ferry for trains? 19:53:11 * NGC3982 got a bit excited. 19:54:18 <frosch123> http://i3.squidoocdn.com/resize/squidoo_images/-1/lens16429251_1292217709at-at-walker-toy.jpg <- andythenorth: you should add those to heqs 19:54:49 <Supercheese> Wouldn't there be licensing issues? 19:55:05 <Supercheese> or do Star Wars fan works have immunity? 19:56:18 <Rubidium> only 70 years (+ the number of years that will be added to that in the future) after the death of the author the licensing issues will not be there 19:57:07 <Supercheese> There are so many good isometric sprites of Star Wars stuff out there, I wonder if there's any way to make a grf from them and be able to distribute it without license migraines 19:57:09 <Rubidium> given the way the US congress keeps extending those times for audio, I doubt it will ever be free of copyright and thus license free 19:57:38 <Supercheese> claiming fair use doesn't seem to solve anything 19:59:22 <Supercheese> Here's a trip: Google 3D Warehouse terms say: "You give other end users of the Services a perpetual, sublicensable, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute Existing Geolocated Models, Existing Non-Geolocated Models, New Models and related content and derivative works... 19:59:23 <Supercheese> ...thereof which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services." 19:59:30 <Supercheese> and they have stuff like: http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/details?mid=2daedbac8e1ee36f57467549cdfd9eb3 19:59:59 <Rubidium> well... people upload stuff they're not supposed to upload there 20:00:14 <Rubidium> and onto youtube, and onto OpenTTD's content service 20:00:16 <Supercheese> So, derivative sprites of that model would be licensed... how? 20:02:14 <andythenorth> illegally 20:02:34 <andythenorth> the design is probably distinctive enough to be protected in various ways 20:02:47 <andythenorth> all your base belong to lucas 20:04:08 <Supercheese> Alas 20:05:04 <frosch123> night 20:05:07 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f401f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08:22 *** KritiK [~Maxim@89-178-59-162.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 20:13:39 *** mbrit [~mbrit@186.120.97.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:20:52 <andythenorth> bye 20:20:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 20:35:29 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db0f49c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:48:13 *** Silo [~mr.badean@173.65.189.109.customer.cdi.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:53:33 *** Supercheese [~chatzilla@50.37.127.81] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 21:15:21 <Wolf01> 'night 21:15:25 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.232.234.29] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:20:10 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A938.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:30:13 <Terkhen> good night 21:30:45 *** snorre [~snorre@c1A0FBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:37:32 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 21:42:30 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 21:43:03 *** snorre [~snorre@c1A0FBF51.dhcp.as2116.net] has joined #openttd 21:43:26 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@81.152.252.18] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:54:14 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:55:01 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 22:02:11 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:03:38 *** Zuu_ [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:24:52 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-155-105-242.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:26:57 *** TGYoshi [~TGYoshi@86.81.146.146] has quit [Quit: Hugs to all] 22:29:07 *** ludde [~b@c80-217-210-102.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:14:01 *** peter1138 [~petern@217.64.121.221] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:39:33 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-074-162.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 23:47:05 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.69.55] has joined #openttd 23:51:59 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.72.59] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:52:51 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.73.57] has joined #openttd 23:58:07 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.69.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]