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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 05:31:12 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC6730C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 05:31:27 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC66DCC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:56:56 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@94.13.8.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:38:22 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has left #openttd [PACKET_CLIENT_QUIT] 06:47:20 *** telanus [~telanus@196-210-244-116.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 06:51:55 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED04D96.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:52:19 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-143-130.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 06:56:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:57:33 <andythenorth> so my first GS idea is a simple money challenge 06:57:51 <andythenorth> start in 1870, play until 2020, make $large amount 06:57:53 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-156-75.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:58:59 <andythenorth> simplest version is pure cash balance 06:59:15 <andythenorth> alternatively, look at average revenue per year 07:11:26 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Quit: *Throws a nuclear warhead in the room and flees*] 07:12:16 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 07:15:04 *** Phazorx_ is now known as Phazorx 07:47:52 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:14:10 <dihedral> oi 08:17:47 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 08:19:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:23:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@78-86-194-127.zone2.bethere.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 08:48:38 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:54:18 *** jstepien [~jstepien@galera.ii.pw.edu.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:41:59 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:45:57 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 09:51:43 *** Markavian [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:57:52 *** GBerten2936 [GBerten293@oxygen.evosurge.com] has joined #openttd 09:58:02 *** GBerten2936 is now known as lugo 11:45:13 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 12:53:40 *** Mazur [~mazur@5ED04D96.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:01:42 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:e075:28da:3184:80] has joined #openttd 13:01:45 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:11:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm having a serious case of "which idiot wrote this code" while looking over a year-old part of my code... 13:12:48 <planetmaker> :-D 13:17:19 *** telanus [~telanus@196-210-244-116.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:25:34 <Belugas> hello 13:25:57 <V453000> elo 13:32:47 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 13:34:39 <Phazorx> Eddi|zuHause: at least you know the answer to that Q :) 13:35:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i know the answer to a rhethorical question. wohoo 13:36:26 <Phazorx> Eddi|zuHause: i'm often merging changesets coming from other devs and i'm faced with questions like "which one of idiots who wrote that macaronni looking fuglines is less worng" 13:37:00 <Phazorx> not openttd related code obviously, but the point stands :) 14:01:31 <Terkhen> hello 14:01:56 *** Lakie [~Lakie@cpc3-wals9-2-0-cust51.wolv.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:15:50 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 15:03:19 *** stephanie88 [~stephanie@dynamic-adsl-78-12-101-60.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #openttd 15:03:35 <stephanie88> Hello guys i have found fantastic blowjobs! http://www.gallery-dump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=297292 15:04:16 *** stephanie88 [~stephanie@dynamic-adsl-78-12-101-60.clienti.tiscali.it] has quit [] 15:06:15 *** namad8 [~aaaaa@pool-173-71-180-190.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:08:06 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-173-71-180-190.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:10:58 *** mode/#openttd [+b *!*@dynamic-adsl-78-12-101-60.clienti.tiscali.it] by planetmaker 15:18:02 *** Matulla [~chatzilla@95-89-101-95-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 15:18:05 <Matulla> hi all what is new to 1.2.2 15:18:45 <Matulla> and i try to get more information on transported what does this clearly mean 15:19:08 <Matulla> Example oilwell is most far from the production plant 15:20:32 <Matulla> so if i go fo a 3x3 tile road with 2 stations and 4 Trucks to deliver to a offside trainstation whoudt that increase the transported factor 15:21:09 <Matulla> or is it calculated on the well2refine line 15:22:06 <Matulla> so its the truck traffels 4 tiles and the train trefels 60 tiles 15:22:21 <Matulla> Travel ! B) 15:26:21 <Matulla> i will ask later today as there are all working i think till 5 in MESZ 15:26:27 *** Matulla [~chatzilla@95-89-101-95-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713225625]] 15:28:18 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-217-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:35:46 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff03e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:43:36 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@94.13.8.182] has joined #openttd 16:01:23 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 16:04:27 <Eddi|zuHause> sure........ 16:05:12 <Eddi|zuHause> "if i suspect everyone works till 5, i quit 10 minutes before 5" 16:06:37 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-217-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:08:55 <Terkhen> if no one answers in a randomly chosen 10 minute interval, everyone must be working 16:15:05 <FLHerne> Or playing Minecraft :P 16:15:05 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:10 *** NataS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 16:30:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:43:22 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-010-141.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 16:59:28 <andythenorth> bonjour 16:59:45 <andythenorth> Zuu want to create some GS? 16:59:57 <planetmaker> buenos dias 16:59:59 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Hihihi :P 16:59:59 <Zuu> for testing FIRS? 17:00:12 <andythenorth> Zuu: not specific to FIRS 17:00:15 <andythenorth> just for fun 17:00:19 <andythenorth> start small 17:00:19 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: i didn't really get what you wanted te GS to actually do... 17:00:32 <andythenorth> money goal 17:00:50 <andythenorth> start in 1870, play until 2020 17:00:59 <andythenorth> have to earn $xxxxxxxxxxxxx 17:01:09 <Eddi|zuHause> a gamescript cannot define a startdate 17:01:11 <andythenorth> random map 17:01:17 <andythenorth> scale amount according to map size 17:01:51 <Eddi|zuHause> you can, however, say "startdate + 150 years" 17:01:57 <andythenorth> see, I pick the simplest case I can think of, and straight away, a hole in the spec :P :D 17:02:07 <Zuu> Yep, and have a setting to define X=150 17:02:14 <andythenorth> or it could be tied to a scenario? 17:02:18 <andythenorth> meh 17:02:21 <andythenorth> making scenarios is boring 17:02:30 <Eddi|zuHause> it could be, but doesn't make a whole lot of sense... 17:02:35 <andythenorth> GS can build towns and industries yet? 17:02:46 <Zuu> If the GS have settings you can make a scenario that provide a map + settings. 17:03:06 <andythenorth> so some games would do it like this: 17:03:11 <andythenorth> - fixed map, fixed start date 17:03:16 <andythenorth> - seed points for towns and industries 17:03:16 <Zuu> GS cannot build towns or industries for free, it need a rich AI to rob for money. 17:03:20 <andythenorth> ah 17:03:42 <andythenorth> can GS have parameters / settings? 17:03:46 <Zuu> Something I think maybe should be changed, but that is how it works right now. 17:03:57 <andythenorth> gah 17:04:02 <andythenorth> just give it access to cheat menu :P 17:04:02 <Zuu> GS can have settings in the same way as AIs. 17:04:06 <planetmaker> alternatively adjust the money goal by industry and town count? 17:04:11 <andythenorth> maybe 17:04:16 <andythenorth> plausible lateral solution 17:04:42 <Zuu> Making a such GS is not very hard. The most time cosuming part is probably to calibrate the goal. 17:04:45 <andythenorth> yes 17:04:55 <andythenorth> but we could run tests on that? 17:04:57 <andythenorth> let AIs play? 17:05:00 <Eddi|zuHause> speaking of which: most of the difficulty settings were not exposed to NewGRFs, last time i checked. only advanced settings 17:05:01 <andythenorth> make it an AI chalenge :P 17:05:14 <Eddi|zuHause> did anyone change that yet? 17:05:24 <andythenorth> monthly AI contests against a specific GS? :P 17:05:24 <planetmaker> not that I know. Which do you miss, Eddi|zuHause ? 17:05:53 <Eddi|zuHause> well all of them, let the authors figure out how to use them. 17:06:08 <Eddi|zuHause> particularly fluctuating economy and industry density might be useful to an industry set 17:06:33 <planetmaker> they're not useful as soon as you have industry newgrfs. Though might be with industry newgrfs themselves... hm 17:06:45 <planetmaker> not sure about industry density though 17:06:56 <planetmaker> industries are still asked to be built by the game 17:07:17 <andythenorth> economy is nearly useless to newgrf 17:07:25 <andythenorth> industry density is possibly useful 17:07:29 <planetmaker> vehicle running costs... does it influence newgrfs actually? 17:07:35 <andythenorth> yes 17:07:42 <andythenorth> the base cost is adjusted accordingly 17:07:50 <planetmaker> as such it should not be exposed 17:07:51 <andythenorth> I learnt this the hard way :P 17:08:09 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: afair it's an additional factor to the base cost. like -10% or +10% 17:08:25 <planetmaker> otherwise it becomes kinda pointless and an annoyance to players as it might actually work counter-intuitive with evil newgrfs 17:08:46 <planetmaker> construction speed: irrelevant 17:08:48 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: what's the harm? 17:08:59 <andythenorth> Zuu the other simple challenge I can think of for GS is cargo challenge: move certain amount of cargos A, B and C 17:09:06 <andythenorth> with bronze / silver / gold win conditions 17:09:15 <andythenorth> either in total, or per year 17:09:16 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, harm is possible counter-intuitiveness. And pointlessness 17:09:20 <Zuu> Hmm, maybe it would make sense to add economy goals to my TransportGoal GS and let you configure which goals you want to enable. 17:09:30 <Zuu> To not spawn even more GSs 17:09:38 <andythenorth> Zuu: maybe 17:09:47 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: but that then is the NewGRF author's fault 17:09:54 <andythenorth> for me, I'm trying to avoid having to invent my own goals, I just want to be given a challenge 17:10:07 <andythenorth> I have enough inventing of my own goals :P 17:10:10 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, and it will be called upon OpenTTD. And really... why? 17:10:27 * andythenorth would just like to have a win condition to meet 17:10:51 <planetmaker> though... yes... one could differenciate it better than default 17:10:59 <planetmaker> hmpf 17:11:03 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: suppose i want to increase the effect of running costs. if running costs "high" is set, i could up the running base cost by another x2 17:11:32 <Zuu> andythenorth: Alberth created a new API feature that let GS monitor cargo supply to stations as well as delivery at target industry. So if you monitor all industries that accept or produce a given cargo, you could monitor the amount of transported cargo of a given cargo. 17:11:39 <planetmaker> yes, ok 17:11:47 <andythenorth> Zuu: can you sanely store 'all time' figures? 17:12:08 <Zuu> All time sum is possible yes. 17:12:21 <andythenorth> can you distinguish primary and secondary cargos? 17:12:25 <Zuu> GS/AI have quite a lot of freedome when it come to storing data. 17:12:27 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: currently you can only check which of the difficulty presets is selected. but nobody uses those... 17:12:32 <planetmaker> next, vehicle breakdowns... I don't think they should really influence newgrfs... could be used to change costs depending on setting, though 17:12:40 <Zuu> (as long as it is within a single game) 17:12:40 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, george does in ecs afaik 17:12:50 <planetmaker> last time I checked for it at least 17:12:58 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, and it's stupid. 17:13:21 <andythenorth> hmm 17:13:36 <Zuu> andythenorth: On IndustryType level there is a API function to check if an industry is a raw industry. 17:13:38 <andythenorth> GS could have tables of all the known cargo labels, that's not an insane amount of copy-paste 17:13:47 <planetmaker> I won't exactly argue against that there ;-) 17:13:51 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: several settings in the game setup window cause the game to switch to "custom" difficulty 17:14:32 <planetmaker> Zuu, can GS read difficulty setting "disasters"? 17:14:54 <andythenorth> Zuu: so my idea is: GS picks three cargos at random (A, B, C). Goal is to transport xxx of each cargo. Bronze = met for one cargo . Silver = met for two. Gold = met for all three 17:15:00 <andythenorth> play time is 99 years 17:15:40 <planetmaker> andythenorth, what about rather a shorter time. 99 game years is still a lot of playing time. But I guess that's configurable 17:15:52 <Zuu> planetmaker: If GSControler::GetSetting(name) can read it. Here name is the name as it appear in openttd.cfg. I can test if you are interested. 17:16:00 <andythenorth> so 30 years is 1-2 evenings. Could be nice. 17:16:00 <Eddi|zuHause> can difficulty settings be changed in multiplayer games? some can be changed in single player, but not all of them 17:16:18 <planetmaker> that's good enough for me, Zuu. thx 17:16:27 <Zuu> planetmaker: ok 17:16:31 <andythenorth> planetmaker: one of my conditions is: I don't want to configure the GS, at all :) 17:16:32 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, yes, you can change some. Like breakdowns 17:16:55 <planetmaker> andythenorth, "don't want to configure" != absence of parameter. Just good-enough defaults for them 17:17:11 <Zuu> I believe GSController::GetSetting might have problem with multi-set settings as it returns an integer. 17:17:14 <andythenorth> hmm, ok :P 17:17:22 <planetmaker> your good-enough defaults might be another man's "don't like" ;-) 17:17:46 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: that sounds like a misdesign 17:18:00 <andythenorth> we also then need MP league table per GS :P 17:18:01 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: because in the config you have names because the numbers may change 17:18:12 <Eddi|zuHause> then the script breaks 17:18:34 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-010-141.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 17:18:52 <Zuu> Also if the name of a setting change, the script breaks. 17:19:09 <Eddi|zuHause> different thing 17:20:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: maybe a GetSettingString(name) may be useful? 17:21:31 <Zuu> Oh sorry. The GSController::GetSetting is for the settings of the AI/GS itself. Not the game settings. They are accessed through a different class. Let me find it.. 17:21:39 <planetmaker> andythenorth, the MP league table would be something for a server actually. 17:21:47 <andythenorth> yarp 17:21:52 <Zuu> Here is Game Settings: http://nogo.openttd.org/api/1.2.1/classGSGameSettings.html 17:22:02 <Zuu> It also returns an integer though. 17:22:03 <andythenorth> GS would need same map seed to be meaningful wrt high scores 17:22:07 <planetmaker> If you're interested in getting such thing off the ground, I'd be interested in supporting that... we have ample space to create such server 17:22:22 <andythenorth> it's something TrueBrain might like :) 17:22:25 <planetmaker> and probably would quite easily get some people testing it :-) 17:22:28 <planetmaker> indeed, he would 17:22:32 <Zuu> The API contains this warning " Results of this function are not governed by the API. This means that the value of settings may be out of the expected range. It also means that a setting that previously existed can be gone or has changed its name/characteristics. " 17:22:51 <andythenorth> hmm 17:23:11 <Zuu> Yet its the only inteface to settings, and some of them might be neccessary to look at to get a good behaviour on all setting values. 17:23:13 <andythenorth> for GS challenges, there are a set of initial conditions that it would be useful to configure 17:23:39 <Eddi|zuHause> Zuu: my point still applies to that 17:24:06 <Zuu> Eddi|zuHause: Yes your point is still good 17:24:26 <andythenorth> some challenges might want to grant the player a big initial loan for example 17:24:28 <andythenorth> others not 17:24:45 <andythenorth> not sure about newgrfs, if they should be fixed or not 17:25:13 <Eddi|zuHause> since the game converts numbers to strings and back for the config file, there is no reason why it couldn't do that same thing for the GS/AI api 17:26:27 <NGC3982> andythenorth: I have give great thought on your current OpenTTD situation. 17:26:32 <NGC3982> And i think i have a solution. 17:26:42 <NGC3982> Soylent FIRS. 17:27:07 <andythenorth> oh Soylent again :P 17:27:09 <andythenorth> how droll :P 17:27:28 <NGC3982> First, we need a soviet:ish scenario 17:27:53 <NGC3982> Soviet:ish trains 17:28:00 <NGC3982> And a fantastic setup of industries 17:28:18 <NGC3982> That's it, i can't bare. Im going to start planning it when i get home. 17:29:08 <NGC3982> andythenorth: Hey, Ior. Don't turn that dice on me. 17:29:13 <NGC3982> andythenorth: Start making stuff. 17:29:18 <NGC3982> :P 17:30:20 <NGC3982> A scenario could easily be to send "Security Units" to towns, and the town (as an industry) produces "Human fuel". 17:31:03 <NGC3982> You bring the fuel to the Soylentcom Supplies Company (tm) and it produced Soylent green (food). 17:31:42 <NGC3982> A catastrophy could be the arrival of Charlton Heston, abruptly halting the production of Soylent Green. 17:39:41 *** Matulla [~chatzilla@95-89-101-95-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 17:40:04 <Matulla> Hi all is there any information speciffic over transported behavier 17:40:05 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:40:49 <Matulla> example if i transport by truck some tiles and then via train the large amount 17:41:01 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 17:41:18 <Matulla> does this increase the level of transported or is it from EX well to refain total 17:41:29 <Matulla> for oil 17:41:55 <Belugas> "There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those that understand binary and those that don't" 17:41:58 <Belugas> lovely :) 17:42:08 <glx> quite old Belugas :) 17:45:03 <andythenorth> Belugas: I think there's a schrodinger version of that joke somewhere 17:45:17 <andythenorth> certainly I saw a funnier update on it recently somewhere :P 17:45:55 <Matulla> astronauts outsight iss now live -> http://www.ustream.tv/channel-popup/nasa-hd-tv 17:47:36 <planetmaker> Matulla, "transported behaviour" means exactly what? 17:47:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Matulla: only the rating at the first pickup station matters 17:48:07 * andythenorth considers a GS contest 17:48:21 <andythenorth> for most fun 30 year GS 17:48:24 <planetmaker> station rating is only governed by the frequency of persistence of pickup (and somewhat by statues, vehicle age, vehicle type...) 17:48:27 <andythenorth> â¬50 prize? 17:48:32 <planetmaker> Check out our wiki for the exact details :-) 17:48:34 <Eddi|zuHause> Matulla: at the transfer station, you should only make sure that the rating does not drop below 50% 17:49:07 <Matulla> oh si it is better to form a 3x3 road with 2 stations and trevel with 4 trucks around to pick and depart at may and then from the second station with a train to the long distance 17:49:35 <Matulla> my rate is always above 80% 17:49:39 <Eddi|zuHause> it has advantages, yes 17:50:18 <Eddi|zuHause> Matulla: rating automatically drops by around 6% when the vehicles are older than 2 years 17:50:47 <Matulla> oh i dident know that 17:51:04 <Matulla> so refrach after 3 Years will increase 17:51:08 <Eddi|zuHause> and very fast vehicles give a bonus of up to 17% 17:51:28 <Eddi|zuHause> Matulla: i think it's 3% after the first year, and another 3% after the second year 17:52:12 <Matulla> i started at 40k oil 12 Gameyears ago and its still there 17:52:41 <Eddi|zuHause> you cannot really influence that. 17:53:00 <Matulla> ok 17:53:35 <Eddi|zuHause> normal industries have a better chance of increasing if rating is above 66%, but oil wells never increase 17:53:40 <Matulla> so stay on GAmescome germany no sign of Openttd i the 4 large Expo Halls 17:54:23 <Eddi|zuHause> hehe, i don't think any of us really have interest in presenting stuff there :) 17:54:56 <Eddi|zuHause> (and i'm sure it costs money to present there) 17:55:00 <Matulla> but alot of very nice hostesses 17:55:21 <Matulla> if you got acces to ASTRA Europ WDR 22:45 MESZ 17:56:05 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has joined #openttd 17:56:08 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 17:56:15 <planetmaker> we don't make money with this game. We personally don't get nor expect money but work on it for fun. Why should we pay for marketing? 17:56:17 <planetmaker> Will you sponsor that? 17:56:52 <Alberth> hi planetmaker 17:56:54 <Eddi|zuHause> www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlNB5MGWRgY <-- you remember that from last year? :) 17:57:02 <Eddi|zuHause> bah 17:57:05 <Eddi|zuHause> it's gone 17:57:39 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_S-2U_-75w <-- that should be similar 17:57:47 <Matulla> there are only one small place for opensource games 17:58:57 <Matulla> amd most the linuxgays there 17:59:31 *** frosch [~frosch@frnk-590d5bf9.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:01:47 <planetmaker> disgusting video, Eddi|zuHause ;-) 18:04:20 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590ff03e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:04:40 <Matulla> Thanks for the infos BY 18:04:44 *** Matulla [~chatzilla@95-89-101-95-dynip.superkabel.de] has left #openttd [] 18:19:24 <Zuu> Oh, btw the cargo goal GS will only work on 1.3 / trunk. 18:22:04 <andythenorth> Zuu: I only play trunk :) 18:22:07 <andythenorth> give or take patches :P 18:23:14 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host228-221-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:23:21 <Wolf01> evenink 18:24:21 <Wolf01> what the hot.. 36°C today, plus the usual 55-65% humidity 18:36:25 *** siridle [siridle@1407ds1-hb.1.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 18:43:57 <frosch> only 33°C and 49% here 18:44:20 <NGC3982> 36.. 18:44:31 <planetmaker> dunno how much. Yesterday it was 36°C here... a well 11°C over my max "feel well" temperature 18:44:40 <NGC3982> It's thundery (low humidity) and 23C in southern sweden, and i can hardly cope with it. 18:45:46 <frosch> same tomorrow, wednesday will be a lot colder again :) 18:54:26 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:54:43 <andythenorth> so GS... 18:54:55 <andythenorth> how would a league table work? 18:55:00 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip4.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 18:55:13 <andythenorth> and do we have any donations left over for a competiton? 18:55:28 * andythenorth is tempted to give a prize himself 18:55:49 <Zuu> andythenorth: when end_year is reached, use the admin port to send results to a bot with DB access. 18:56:35 <planetmaker> the sad part is "use the admin port"... no open source version except dih's well-working example implementation 19:11:20 <Zuu> Hmm, so there is no string like eg. {VEHICLE} to show the cargo name of a cargo? 19:11:56 <Zuu> Eg. I could have the cargo id 5 stored in a variable and want to show the cargo name in a string. 19:12:00 <andythenorth> Zuu: if there isn't...feature request :) 19:12:20 <Zuu> I can't find one on the wiki, but the wiki might be outdated 19:12:40 <Zuu> http://wiki.openttd.org/FormatOfLangfiles 19:13:06 <andythenorth> I could work backwards through code and find what feature request that would be :P 19:13:14 <andythenorth> but others would just...know the answer already :) 19:14:13 <Rubidium> Zuu: don't think it exists... but... {CARGO_LIST} and (1 << 5) as parameter might do the trick 19:18:52 <NGC3982> How can i download older versions? 19:20:03 <planetmaker> look at binaries.openttd.org 19:20:27 <NGC3982> Thank you. 19:20:52 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-170-200-26.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:27:40 <Zuu> Rubidium: Thanks, that did the trick. Shall I document it on the wiki or is it more of a hack? 19:28:15 <Rubidium> I'd say it's a huge hack 19:29:14 <planetmaker> I guess we have a feature request :D 19:29:46 <NGC3982> Soylent stuff? 19:31:46 <andythenorth> gah 19:31:55 * andythenorth is drowning in this soylent crap 19:32:00 <andythenorth> it's like every day at the moment 19:33:01 <Muxy> Yexo: do you watch task FS5078 ? http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5078 19:33:42 <NGC3982> andythenorth: *troll face* 19:33:52 <NGC3982> ;) 19:53:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B53E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:56:45 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:00:49 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 20:03:49 <Yexo> Muxy: I've seen it, but I remember some discussion about that event 20:04:02 <Yexo> it has been discussed before, not sure what the outcome was 20:04:17 <Yexo> and you introduce unnecessary newlines at the start of the patch 20:05:22 <Yexo> it's also missing documentation 20:05:31 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05:59 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:06:15 *** siridle [siridle@1407ds1-hb.1.fullrate.dk] has quit [] 20:10:39 <frosch> [21:28] <Yexo> it has been discussed before, not sure what the outcome was <- that it was added to the todo list? or do you mean some coding related discussion? 20:15:54 <Yexo> oh :) 20:16:07 <Yexo> in that case: Muxy if you fix the above few things I'll commit it ;) 20:21:45 <Yexo> seems I can't even read the FS item, it's my own first post there 20:21:57 *** APTX_ [APTX@2001:470:1f0b:1a9d:240:63ff:fefb:5994] has joined #openttd 20:22:39 *** APTX [APTX@2001:470:1f0b:1a9d:240:63ff:fefb:5994] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:04 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 20:25:58 <planetmaker> 500 commits... when will that be? 20:27:46 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db0f14a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:31:13 <michi_cc> Muxy: Path looks like you did not run src/script/api/squirrel_export.sh 20:31:18 <michi_cc> s/Path/Patch/ 20:40:21 *** Elukka [Elukka@78-27-97-92.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 20:44:52 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-153-237-125.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:45:03 <LordAro> evenings all 20:45:16 * LordAro pokes Yexo :P 20:45:29 <planetmaker> hi LordAro 20:45:31 * Terkhen pokes LordAro with a "hello" 20:45:50 <Yexo> hi LordAro 20:45:56 <Yexo> I did look at your patch yesterday :)P 20:46:08 * LordAro waves at planetmaker, Terkhen and Yexo 20:47:32 <Alberth> o/ 20:48:28 <LordAro> hai Alberth also :) 20:50:30 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-010-141.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 20:51:08 <LordAro> Yexo: that may be so, but i see no commits or code review :P 20:51:19 <Yexo> nah, you're right 20:51:32 <Yexo> you weren't on irc anymore and I was too lazy to open the issue again and post something there 20:51:36 <Yexo> let's see what it was 20:53:39 <Yexo> ah, yes: in tcp_content.cpp ContentInfo::GetTextfile you check (this->md5sum != NULL), but md5sum is an array 20:53:43 <Yexo> so it can never be NULL 20:55:57 <LordAro> well, i didn't come up with that, with was used in other places... 20:56:16 <Yexo> probably for other structs where md5sum is a pointer, not an array ;) 20:56:26 <Yexo> oh, and you strecpy the path but I see no reason to do so 20:56:30 <Yexo> in the same function 20:59:44 <LordAro> so instead of '...md5sum != NULL', i would want... ? 20:59:53 <Kjetil> probably nothing 21:00:05 <Yexo> true 21:00:20 <Kjetil> (not that I've seen the code) 21:01:12 <LordAro> so... 'true' or 'false' ? 21:01:29 <LordAro> true will make it look at md5sum, false will make it look at 'id' 21:01:34 <LordAro> whatever 'id' is... :L 21:03:28 <Yexo> true 21:03:41 <Yexo> you only want the textfile for content where you have an exact match on your harddisk 21:03:56 <Yexo> you don't want the readme for opengfx v3 when you're looking in the online content window at v4 21:05:42 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 21:06:07 <LordAro> indeed 21:06:29 <LordAro> and what about not strecpy-ing? 21:07:03 <Yexo> you can directly use tmp instead of strecpy into the local filepath buffer 21:07:11 <Yexo> it won't become invalid before the function returns 21:07:28 <Yexo> or if it can, you already have a bug and won't make it worse by using tmp 21:08:24 <LordAro> very well, done 21:08:27 <LordAro> compiling... 21:10:46 <LordAro> hmm 21:10:59 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-170-200-26.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:11:34 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-170-200-26.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:14:18 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-111-53.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 21:20:20 <LordAro> it's annoying when you forget to pop to the correct patch in the queue :L 21:20:33 <LordAro> luckily, i'd only modified 1 file, so a revert was easy 21:23:33 <LordAro> Yexo: i know you get an email notification, but the patch has been updated 21:23:49 <Yexo> email notification was faster still :p 21:24:18 <LordAro> damn :P 21:24:59 <Yexo> are all the includes in tcp_content.cpp needed? 21:25:45 <LordAro> not sure about _all_ of them, but that is where the 'new' functions referenced in GetTextfile are located 21:27:06 <LordAro> i don't think i ever 'bothered' testing if i needed absolutely all of them 21:27:26 <Yexo> there is an unnecessary change in 04 in fios.cpp 21:27:31 <Yexo> (but don't bother fixing that with a new upload) 21:33:05 * LordAro looks 21:33:18 <LordAro> so there is, not sure how that got there :L 21:34:08 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> disgusting video, Eddi|zuHause ;-) <-- you should have seen the original... 21:34:47 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.43.131.221] has joined #openttd 21:34:48 * NGC3982 cries. 21:35:04 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 21:36:46 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:39:13 <Yexo> LordAro: patch 05 is completely broken 21:39:27 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has left #openttd [] 21:39:32 <Yexo> it does indeed look for a file named "COPYING", but it also does that when you want the changelog 21:39:51 <LordAro> i thought i fixed that... 21:40:30 <Yexo> not in the version you uploaded to that fs task 21:40:50 <frosch> does bananas allow a COPYING file? 21:40:51 <Yexo> oh, maybe you did fix that 21:41:08 <Wolf01> 'night 21:41:12 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host228-221-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:41:35 <Yexo> LordAro: you did fix it but in the wrong way 21:41:38 <Zuu> frosch: if you choose Custom, I think you can supply your own. Otherwise bananas will insert the corresponding COPYING file for the license that you have picked. 21:41:48 <Yexo> (it works, but it's not right) 21:41:57 <frosch> i think bananas renames all those files to license.txt 21:41:59 <Yexo> return (FioCheckFileExists(file_path, dir) && prefix == prefixes[2]) ? file_path : NULL; <- that 21:42:03 <Yexo> it should be: 21:42:18 <frosch> yes, it does, i have to code right in front of me :) 21:42:31 <Yexo> return (type == TFT_LICENSE && FioCheckFileExists(file_path, dir)) ? file_path : NULL; 21:42:44 <Yexo> but with frosch comments I see no reason at all for such a patch 21:43:10 <Zuu> Other than perhaps that there may be other distribution means than bananas. 21:43:25 <frosch> Zuu: but not in the content gui :) 21:43:37 <Zuu> frosch: Very good point :-) 21:43:40 <Yexo> frosch: this is not only for the content gui, also for the newgrf/ai/gs window 21:43:55 <LordAro> frosch/whoever: don't forget that function is not exclusively for content gui 21:44:10 <Yexo> but still, bananas is the "official" supported way, and I see no reason to make all kind of exceptions for other filenames 21:44:18 <LordAro> + OTTD 'license.txt' is also named 'COPYING' 21:44:24 <Yexo> if someone wants to distribute it another way, they just have to rename/copy their file to "license.txt" 21:44:58 <LordAro> ... and i have 'plans'... :) 21:44:59 <Yexo> ^^ that's a good point though 21:45:05 <Zuu> Btw, in standard GPL, doesn't it say COPYING as the license file? 21:45:26 <Zuu> But if bananas change it, then this patch doesn't solve that. 21:46:27 <LordAro> 'plans' == http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1657/ 21:47:12 <Yexo> what's the point of that? 21:47:43 <LordAro> work it out :P 21:48:01 <Yexo> display the openttd changelog? 21:48:06 <Yexo> why not simply read that file? 21:48:47 <LordAro> to deal with (fairly common) instances where the textfile is not in an 'expected' location 21:49:01 <LordAro> e.g. debian packaging iirc 21:49:08 <Yexo> I think there are better ways to deal with that 21:49:59 <Yexo> good night 21:50:03 <LordAro> i cannot think of one 21:50:07 <LordAro> night :L 21:50:07 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B53E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51:12 <planetmaker> LordAro: I think there could be like --doc-path or so as compile time argument which changes the readme path for openttd (and possibly base set) readmes 21:51:52 <planetmaker> --doc-dir actually is already there 21:52:06 <LordAro> that's an interesting solution, but again, debian packaging compresses the textfiles, making reading them difficult 21:53:25 <LordAro> i discussed it with Rubidium a while ago 21:53:50 <Terkhen> good night 21:56:39 <LordAro> huh, CIA is a bit slow tonight... 21:56:49 * LordAro kicks CIA-1 21:56:49 <CIA-1> ow 22:12:29 <Eddi|zuHause> who cares about debian? 22:13:14 <Eddi|zuHause> and maybe openttd is ripe to get the ability to read compressed (.tar.gz/bz2/xz) files? 22:14:14 <LordAro> maybe 22:14:26 <LordAro> but that's waaay above my level :L 22:18:48 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [] 22:24:43 <frosch> night 22:24:47 *** frosch [~frosch@frnk-590d5bf9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:31:40 *** Lakie [~Lakie@cpc3-wals9-2-0-cust51.wolv.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 22:34:03 *** Frankr [~chatzilla@cpc4-pres13-2-0-cust231.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 22:42:47 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-153-237-125.range86-153.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:38 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4db0f14a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: All your IRC are belong to us] 23:11:02 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d66-183-118-10.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 23:11:25 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1242499104.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 23:11:35 <drac_boy> hi 23:14:39 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:19:53 <Eddi|zuHause> lo 23:25:47 <drac_boy> how're you eddi? :) 23:26:24 <Eddi|zuHause> asleep 23:26:31 <Chris_Booth> lol 23:26:47 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-170-200-26.range86-170.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0/20120808131812]] 23:30:50 <drac_boy> heh 23:52:21 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:52:37 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip2.mibbit.com] has left #openttd []