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[slaco@78.96.213.97] has joined #openttd 06:38:36 <Terkhen> good morning 06:40:22 *** DaZ [~derp@87.205.148.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:41:15 <Terkhen> Supercheese: I did not notice the bug you mention, I just used your GRF to upload some screenshots... blind luck I guess :P 06:41:52 *** DaZ [~derp@87-205-247-199.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #openttd 06:47:44 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 06:55:44 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.87.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:57:18 <Supercheese> Yes, I suspect it was inadvertent 06:57:35 <Supercheese> your screenshot illustrated it quite nicely nonetheless 06:58:25 <Supercheese> The refit costs were being incorrectly rounded, such that it was possible that, when refiting the victoria/adtrans tubes to get free money by "purchasing" and then "selling" carriages 06:58:37 <Supercheese> via refit, since the prices were unequal 06:59:45 <Terkhen> I see :) 07:01:30 <Terkhen> let's see if I can overcome my patcher's block this weekend 07:02:35 <Supercheese> :) 07:05:26 *** DaZ [~derp@87-205-247-199.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:06:52 *** DaZ [~derp@77-255-62-165.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #openttd 07:08:04 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:13:25 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.87.60] has joined #openttd 07:28:23 *** keoz [~keikoz@159.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 07:39:45 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.87.60] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:46:15 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 07:52:09 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.94.91] has joined #openttd 07:59:37 *** DaZ [~derp@77-255-62-165.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:05:28 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 08:05:59 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d173-183-158-32.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 08:06:22 *** DaZ 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joined #openttd 09:30:58 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.94.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:38:23 *** Rubidium [~Rubidium@noiv.net] has joined #openttd 09:39:42 <planetmaker> hello Alberth 09:39:54 <Alberth> hi planetmaker 09:40:35 <Alberth> Luckily I don't have to write a patch :) 09:41:57 <planetmaker> :D 09:42:04 <planetmaker> you should be able to op yourself 09:43:38 <Alberth> when you cannot send a mesage to dorpsgek in the channel? 09:44:30 <Terkhen> you can send the messages on private too 09:46:01 <Alberth> it wasn't commenting on anything I sent to it 09:46:58 <planetmaker> chanserv should work as last resort 09:47:49 <Terkhen> it also does not seem to be voicing people properly on join 09:47:59 <Terkhen> (see eddi for example) 09:48:19 <Rubidium> chanserv only does that when the user is authenticated before the join 09:48:40 <Rubidium> if the user doesn't authenticate with chanserv, it won't auto-voice/op 09:49:02 <Rubidium> that's why I'm no op right now in here 09:49:46 <Terkhen> oh, I see 09:50:00 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:50:09 <planetmaker> you don't authenticate? 09:50:55 <Rubidium> yeah 09:56:18 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host11-216-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:56:55 <Wolf01> 'mornink 09:56:59 <Terkhen> hi Wolf01 09:58:37 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 10:04:12 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:04:42 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 10:08:40 *** bolli [~Sam@31.185.224.122] has joined #openttd 10:14:28 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-154-145.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 10:16:27 *** DaZ [~derp@87-205-157-220.adsl.inetia.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:17:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not registered with chanserv 10:18:25 *** DaZ [~derp@77-253-88-117.adsl.inetia.pl] has joined #openttd 10:21:00 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 10:24:48 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:33:39 <planetmaker> I thought so. I wonder though why not ;-) 10:33:50 <planetmaker> anyone could kinda impersonate you this way 10:35:09 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.94.91] has joined #openttd 10:38:09 <Eddi|zuHause> he could take on my nickname, but i doubt he could properly copy my personality :p 10:38:35 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i haven't had any problems in the last 6 years 10:41:22 <NGC3982> Afternoon, animals. 10:41:48 <NGC3982> Bah, I wish I had my laptop with me 10:42:23 * NGC3982 is a bit tired of traveling by train. 10:42:43 <Zuu> yea, sometimes it get too much train trips 10:43:03 <Zuu> having a laptop is usually a good idea to kill the 4 hours. 10:43:38 <bolli> Right... This is a weird issue I've gained.... 10:44:07 <Eddi|zuHause> it's really weird, people can spend hours watching trains from the outside, but being inside a train is a pain... 10:44:17 <bolli> Openttd can't listen to the master port, but Other things can... 10:44:46 <Eddi|zuHause> bolli: two programs cannot listen to the same port at the same time 10:45:50 <bolli> I know. I;m not trying at the same time 10:46:13 <Eddi|zuHause> bolli: then the actual console output might be helpful 10:46:26 <bolli> I've written a bit of code to test it that listens to the port, and that works 10:47:05 <bolli> https://gist.github.com/3765811 10:47:27 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: I have the reverse experience, I can spend hours watching the environment passing by from within a train, but looking at trains passing by for hours wouldn't attract me 10:49:32 <Eddi|zuHause> bolli: looks like a firewall/router problem, no problem reserving the actual port (the first few lines) 10:50:58 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-21-135.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:51:47 <planetmaker> bolli, possibly the port is cleared for one protocol, but not for UDP 10:51:59 <planetmaker> or for TCP. both is needed 10:52:01 <planetmaker> @ports 10:52:01 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 10:52:30 <planetmaker> hm, we should add the admin port there, 3977 :-) 10:52:51 <bolli> I've checked, theres no firewall issue, and its not got a limiting router... 10:53:14 <bolli> And how do I check the port for protocol? 10:53:32 <planetmaker> router settings... 10:53:50 <planetmaker> my router/modem has settings for each port where I can set the allowed protocol types 10:54:04 <planetmaker> and whether in- or outgoing or both 10:54:45 <bolli> This is running on a VPS, so It doesn't have a router/modem... 10:54:52 <Alberth> planetmaker: your zbuild may be out of date :) city lights are placed weird 10:55:04 <planetmaker> Alberth, yes. I just build tip :-) 10:55:52 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:01:34 <planetmaker> hm... sucks. OpenTTD doesn't offer me a window size different from 3860x1200 :S 11:01:47 <planetmaker> only editing cfg helps 11:01:57 <TrueBrain> I would blame the developers of that game 11:01:59 <TrueBrain> sounds terrible :D 11:02:02 <Terkhen> huge :O 11:02:08 <planetmaker> yes, very much, truebrain 11:02:18 <planetmaker> those evil ones. How dare they? 11:02:27 <planetmaker> Terkhen, that's full screen :-) 11:02:29 <Terkhen> drop them a bug report, if you are lucky it will get solved in a few years 11:02:43 <TrueBrain> OSX? Yeah, years is an acceptable timeframe :) 11:02:49 <planetmaker> nope... debian 11:03:05 <Terkhen> TrueBrain: my timeframe was meant for a linux issue ^ 11:03:11 <TrueBrain> bolli: if you get that error, it means the masterserver cannot talk to you. so make sure UDP packets leave your system, and return (tcpdump is your friend) 11:03:12 <Terkhen> if it is OSX... no idea :P 11:03:45 <Alberth> Terkhen: I doubt it would be any faster :) 11:03:55 <TrueBrain> bolli: I retract my suggestion, and I am going to change it .. 11:04:05 <TrueBrain> bolli: please bind on sane IPs. 0.0.0.2 doesnt sound really sane to me 11:04:19 <planetmaker> ho, lol 11:04:25 <bolli> I spotted that, but i have no idea why its doing it.... 11:04:30 <planetmaker> sounds like a good find, TrueBrain :-) 11:04:35 <bolli> 0.0.0.2 is not referenced anywhere... 11:04:38 <TrueBrain> because either it is your main IP, or you explicitly told it to bind there :) 11:05:06 <TrueBrain> just force the bind to 0.0.0.0 or something 11:05:25 *** Beardie [~chatzilla@cpc8-pres13-2-0-cust118.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:05:29 <bolli> Ok... Next question: how? :p 11:05:34 <TrueBrain> your server most likely does work, but the masterserver only adds servers which he can reach on the IP they say they are on :) 11:06:07 <TrueBrain> OpenTTD has a 'bind' value 11:06:33 <TrueBrain> I am guessing server_bind_ip in the config 11:07:03 <TrueBrain> (under the [network] section ofc) 11:07:17 <bolli> no, but it has [server_bind_addresses] 11:07:34 <TrueBrain> ah, yes, we have multiple binds these days :) 11:07:40 <TrueBrain> (only a few years :P) 11:08:28 <bolli> oh dear :| 11:08:41 <bolli> I forgot the -D on the end - Putty didn't like that :| 11:09:15 <bolli> So I have coloured symbols flying around the screen... 11:10:16 <bolli> There we go :) 11:10:20 <bolli> Now works :) 11:10:25 <bolli> Thanks TrueBrain 11:10:33 <TrueBrain> np 11:10:55 <TrueBrain> I am guessing your host is running openVZ or something like that 11:11:56 <bolli> nope, There was some garbage in the openttd.cfg 11:12:03 <planetmaker> cool. zbase already has 32bpp bulk wagons. or at least coal 11:12:04 <TrueBrain> then it fails too yes :D 11:22:15 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:22:22 <Alberth> hi andy 11:22:25 <andythenorth> hai 11:22:42 <andythenorth> anyone played FIRS with new supplies mechanic? 11:23:23 <Zuu> zBase suggests that I should finnish my started work to allow users to specify external commands that OTTDAU should execute to allow eg. fetching zBase :-) 11:24:22 <Alberth> not sure that's worth the trouble, it's a one-time download 11:24:31 <Terkhen> hi andythenorth 11:24:53 <andythenorth> lo Terkhen 11:25:06 <Alberth> andythenorth: I started but then I realized I never played with the old mechanic, so I am useless for comparing them :) 11:31:46 * andythenorth ponders 11:31:58 <andythenorth> base industry production should be specified by game 11:32:32 <andythenorth> not by newgrf 11:32:48 <andythenorth> maybe FIRS should be changed 11:33:10 <Yexo> isn't it specified by the game by default? 11:33:12 <andythenorth> yes 11:33:16 <andythenorth> where's frosch? :P 11:33:30 <andythenorth> frosch's view is that smooth economy is broken 11:36:10 <Alberth> wasn't it mostly faked? 11:36:21 <Alberth> I don't remember precisely 11:40:44 <andythenorth> it's one of the murkier bits of industry code :P 11:41:50 <andythenorth> does 'smooth economy' simply cause the changes to be monthly? 11:42:24 <andythenorth> does it also affect frequency of random prod. change? 11:42:33 * andythenorth should read and see :P 11:42:48 <Alberth> I cannot answer those questions 11:43:19 <Terkhen> I don't know enough about the economy to answer either :) 11:43:26 <Terkhen> bbl 11:43:32 <Alberth> bye Terkhen 11:44:58 <andythenorth> industry_cmd.cpp knows 11:46:03 <andythenorth> if (you can be bothered to read all the if statements) { then you'll understand; }; 11:46:33 <andythenorth> smooth economy vs. non-smooth is a pile of cruft 11:50:12 <Alberth> do we have code that isn't? :) 11:50:50 <andythenorth> yes 11:50:53 <andythenorth> I've seen it 11:51:04 <andythenorth> some of the vehicle movement code for example 11:51:06 <andythenorth> or railtype code 11:54:50 *** Lassikki [54faab7f@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 11:56:16 <Lassikki> If a plane lands to airport and crashes, how i clean the mess? 11:56:49 <Alberth> just wait 11:57:01 <Lassikki> How long? 11:57:25 <andythenorth> maybe I should offer a github bounty to fix economy 11:57:26 <Alberth> no idea tbh, but the plane disappears after some time 12:01:47 <Zuu> Lassikki: 1-3 ingame months I think 12:04:49 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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Good that I found out before throwing out the alternative method in CluelessPlus already :-) 13:25:57 <Terkhen> :) 13:26:57 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 13:27:55 <Zuu> The airport operation in CluelessPlus is not as solid as I want it to be. Currently it "loses" airports sometimes that stay around. I also have found airplanes that indicate in their name that the AI have decided to close down the connection but the aircraft operate just as normal for several years. 13:28:50 <planetmaker> :-) 13:29:06 <planetmaker> so cluelessplus sometimes is extra clueless about its operation? ;-) 13:29:37 <Alberth> s/extra/plus/ 13:29:53 <Zuu> planetmaker: yep :-) 13:30:33 <Zuu> Although that is part of its name, I like it to show a solid behaviour. 13:31:16 <planetmaker> :-) Of course 13:31:34 <Zuu> Eg. sort of NoAI. A good AI interface even if the name indicates something else :-p 13:35:38 *** kais58_ [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:37:30 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:01:37 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:02:18 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 14:41:36 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:48:03 *** Beardie [~chatzilla@cpc8-pres13-2-0-cust118.pres.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 14:56:07 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 15:09:20 *** telanus1 [~telanus@196-215-153-66.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has left #openttd [] 15:12:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:36:10 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-20-235.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 15:39:27 *** Wolf03 [~wolf01@host11-216-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 15:39:28 *** Wolf01 is now known as Guest7895 15:39:28 *** Wolf03 is now known as Wolf01 15:41:56 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-106-127.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:45:21 *** Guest7895 [~wolf01@host11-216-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:47:05 *** fjb [~frank@p57941EBD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:47:17 <fjb> Moin. 15:48:49 *** telanus [~telanus@196-215-153-66.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 15:53:12 <Alberth> moin 16:02:47 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-154-145.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 16:06:27 <andythenorth> can I rely on bananas min. compatible openttd version? 16:06:32 <andythenorth> or do I have to add a check to grf? 16:07:17 <Terkhen> someone could download your grf from the devzone bundles directly and try to load it in... 0.7.0 for example 16:08:04 <andythenorth> [shrug] 16:14:45 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.94.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:16:25 <andythenorth> I'm just looking for an easy way to make test grfs available to MP coop games :) 16:19:55 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: terkhen * r24544 /trunk/src/ (lang/english.txt vehicle_gui.cpp): -Fix [FS#5297]: Do not show profit from refits as cost in the refit window. 16:23:12 *** FLHerne [~francis_h@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:42:41 <Zuu> andythenorth: additionally, someone could have several OpenTTD versions that use the same shared storage area for downloaded content. 16:43:06 <Zuu> Eg. they may have both a nightly version and 1.2.x 16:46:11 <andythenorth> I'm going to just do this anyway ;) 16:46:53 <andythenorth> FISH 2 alpha on bananas 16:47:42 <andythenorth> needs nightly > 24530 16:47:55 <andythenorth> which is a silly hack to solve the problem, but meh 16:51:25 <planetmaker> <Terkhen> someone could download your grf from the devzone bundles directly and try to load it in... 0.7.0 for example <-- sure. But grf v8 / container v2 will fail before any version check anyway 16:51:52 *** telanus1 [~telanus@196-215-153-66.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has joined #openttd 16:52:38 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Features? 16:53:03 <andythenorth> more ships, auto-refit, variable speeds, changed costs etc 16:53:05 <andythenorth> meh 16:53:09 * FLHerne likes features :-) 16:53:09 <andythenorth> blah etc 16:53:20 <Terkhen> planetmaker: I assumed that the version checks would still be run :P 16:53:31 <andythenorth> don't expect me not to break your savegames with FISH 2 pre-release versions ;) 16:53:35 <FLHerne> Have you made the variations less identical yet? :P 16:53:47 <andythenorth> only in the way that they never were anyway :P 16:54:24 <FLHerne> Most of them are, except the bow, the stern and sometimes a bit in the middle :P 16:55:05 <andythenorth> shrug 16:55:19 <andythenorth> seen any real ships ever? 16:55:30 <FLHerne> andythenorth: A few :P 16:55:41 <andythenorth> pretty samey 16:56:04 <FLHerne> You could do them with various fake-real liveries to make them a bit different ;-) 16:57:17 <andythenorth> I fail to see the issue o_O http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3234/eh_.png 16:57:25 <andythenorth> if they are same, I am blind :P 16:57:56 <FLHerne> Stornoway and Maddalena in that one 16:58:05 <andythenorth> one's long, one's short 16:58:10 <FLHerne> The big cargo ships are worse though :P 16:58:51 *** telanus [~telanus@196-215-153-66.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:58:54 <FLHerne> andythenorth: Yes, but the Stornoway just looks like a Maddalena with the middle cut out :P 16:59:04 <andythenorth> it is 16:59:23 <FLHerne> Exactly :P 16:59:30 <andythenorth> and the problem is? 16:59:55 <andythenorth> paint the hull of one of them white if you want 17:00:02 <FLHerne> andythenorth: It looks ugly :P 17:00:14 <andythenorth> make the cabins cc, hull white 17:00:16 * FLHerne likes excessive variety ;-) 17:00:22 <andythenorth> have a ball - it takes about 2 days to paint one 17:00:47 <andythenorth> tbh, I am only playing GS now, and I don't even look at the graphics now 17:00:54 <andythenorth> all I care about is capacity and speed 17:00:55 <FLHerne> Can't that Pixa thing recolour things for you? :P 17:01:05 <andythenorth> we might as well just coloured boxes 17:01:09 * FLHerne is still drawing groundtiles in odd moments :P 17:01:10 <andythenorth> * use 17:05:41 *** fjb [~frank@p57941EBD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:08:04 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@2001:470:dc50:b0::21] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:08:19 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@2001:470:dc50:b0::21] has joined #openttd 17:16:02 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:28:44 *** KnogleAFK [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 17:28:45 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:32:58 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:34:10 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-89-176-31-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:37:55 *** bolli [~Sam@139.83.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 17:45:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: translators * r24545 /trunk/src/lang/ (english_US.txt russian.txt ukrainian.txt): 17:45:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: english_US - 4 changes by Rubidium 17:45:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: russian - 4 changes by edd_k 17:45:26 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: ukrainian - 357 changes by edd_k 17:47:23 * Terkhen forgot to translate his own patch as usual 17:53:02 <Alberth> tomorrow is another day :) 17:56:43 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:3092:dcc2:13cd:a350] has joined #openttd 17:56:46 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:03:33 <bolli> Out of asking, is there a simple way to replace the diesel fumes animation? 18:03:48 <bolli> So I can have a class 70 travelling around on fire... 18:04:43 <Alberth> smokes are not easily replacable afaik 18:05:34 <Yexo> they're as easy (or hard) to replace as any other static sprite: you have to create a newgrf to do it 18:06:05 <bolli> ok, I'll have a play with it :) 18:06:24 <Terkhen> note that you will replace smoke from all vehicles 18:06:38 <bolli> yeah, I suspected that... 18:07:00 <Yexo> you could replace one vehicle with custom graphics that include the fire you want, and then disable smoke 18:10:14 <andythenorth> bolli: please don't discuss smoke :P 18:10:53 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@s53757898.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 18:13:06 *** Hyronymus1 [~Thunderbi@s53757898.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:22:19 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 18:46:29 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 18:49:59 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: terkhen * r24546 /trunk/src/lang/ (47 files in 2 dirs): -Fix (r24544): Change all other languages too. 19:11:15 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 19:11:32 *** bolli [~Sam@139.83.112.87.dyn.plus.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:12:23 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r24547 /trunk/src/group_gui.cpp: -Add [FS#5263]: Separate the 'available vehicles' from the other buttons in the group gui (Juanjo). 19:14:07 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r24548 /trunk/src/group_gui.cpp: -Add: Extra group line in the group gui, if possible (Juanjo). 19:15:19 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r24549 /trunk/src/group_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Remove the hard-coded sprite button sizes in the group gui (Juanjo). 19:16:05 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: alberth * r24550 /trunk/src/group_gui.cpp: -Codechange: Remove unused panel widget in the group gui (Juanjo). 19:20:44 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-21-135.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:26:17 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-89-176-31-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:28:06 *** chester_ [~chester@95-25-122-63.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:33:58 <Supercheese> So does the CIA commit-bot only post in #ottd and not #openttd.dev ? 19:34:05 <Supercheese> #openttd * rather 19:36:04 <Yexo> yes 19:36:16 <Yexo> if you want the commits without any other noise join #openttd.notice 19:37:20 <Supercheese> I was just wondering :) thanks for the link, though I'd rather use the RSS (http://cia.vc/stats/project/OpenTTD) 19:39:10 <Supercheese> although my RSS watched list is bloating to monstrous proportions 19:39:25 <Supercheese> too many games, webcomics, and artist feeds 19:39:42 <Supercheese> and musicians' feeds 19:39:43 <Alberth> many people suffer from newseritis 19:39:59 <Alberth> teribly afraid that they miss something :) 19:40:05 <Supercheese> I've kept myself to only 2 twitter feeds, though 19:40:14 <Supercheese> and they post extremely infrequently 19:40:35 * FLHerne is finding #openttd.dev interesting to spectate :-) 19:41:01 <Supercheese> Let's see, I have... 4 OTTD related RSS feeds :) 19:41:25 <Alberth> FLHerne: it is? it's mostly just technical details babble 19:41:57 * Supercheese enjoys technnicalbabble, when he can understand at least half of it ;) 19:42:02 * FLHerne likes technical details :-) 19:42:13 <Alberth> Supercheese: so many? What else do you have than commits and news? 19:42:16 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-89-176-31-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 19:42:39 <Supercheese> Main page news (major releases etc), the Commit feed, and 2 wiki recent-changes feeds 19:42:44 <Supercheese> GRFSpecs wiki and TTWiki 19:43:00 <Alberth> oh, wikis, of course :) 19:43:03 <Supercheese> I'm not sure if I can unify those last two 19:43:11 <Supercheese> easier just to leave them separate 19:43:54 <Supercheese> the main OTTD wiki changes feed is too frequent to watch :P 19:44:31 <Alberth> mainly translations, or are there also other changes there? 19:44:35 <Supercheese> translations yeah 19:44:55 * Supercheese isn't that interested in Polish translation activity :P 19:45:03 <Supercheese> glad it's happening, of course 19:45:46 *** telanus1 [~telanus@196-215-153-66.dynamic.isadsl.co.za] has left #openttd [] 19:45:50 <Alberth> no idea how many people read the translations 19:46:38 <Supercheese> Well, the prevailing philosophy on the Internet is more content, more content, more content -- as long as it's relevant, it matters not whether people actually read it 19:46:40 <Supercheese> :P 19:47:16 <Alberth> :) 19:47:32 <Supercheese> Always nice to be used someday, of course 19:50:51 <Terkhen> wikis can be quite spammy 19:51:13 <Terkhen> I used to follow the newgrf specs wiki RSS feed when we were doing the conversion, but I removed it shortly after we finished 19:58:01 *** TruePika [~chris@cpe-67-49-41-0.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:58:32 <TruePika> The Windows builds of OTTD are SDL based, correct? 19:58:43 <Supercheese> New CHIPS version, now we need new FISH ;) 19:58:58 <TruePika> Supercheese: ...why you use ships? 19:59:13 <__ln__> TruePika: incorrect 19:59:15 <Supercheese> Why... not? 19:59:18 <Terkhen> ships are awesome :) 19:59:20 * Supercheese is confused 19:59:29 <TruePika> I've never used ships a lot 19:59:36 <Supercheese> You, sir, are missing out 19:59:36 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-25-67-216.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:59:49 <Supercheese> the FISH-testing version with autorefit is amazing 19:59:50 <Terkhen> TruePika: : IIRC windows builds just use native functions 20:00:00 <TruePika> what are the Windows builds based off of for..what? really? 20:00:07 <TruePika> gah 20:00:24 <TruePika> trying to get the Steam overlay to work, it doesn't seem to like native functions 20:00:27 <Yexo> SDL might work too if you add WITH_SDL to the project defines 20:00:43 <TruePika> what draw method would it use? 20:00:48 <Terkhen> TruePika: http://vcs.openttd.org/svn/browser/trunk/src/video/win32_v.cpp 20:00:58 <Terkhen> in that same folder are all other video drivers 20:01:31 <Terkhen> I wonder what does OSX use 20:01:43 <TruePika> looks like SDL _might_ use surface 20:01:59 <Rubidium> about a different backend for each supported version 20:02:14 <__ln__> Terkhen: OSX uses native APIs. 20:02:27 <Terkhen> since you are planning something for steam, you might also want to plan ahead for both platforms supported currently by steam and their future linux platform 20:02:31 <Rubidium> although... one might consider nothing OSX-ish really supported 20:03:14 <TruePika> and I apparently know very little about SDL 20:03:18 <TruePika> <_< 20:05:47 <__ln__> one might consider nothing in OpenTTD is "really supported", as there's no guarantee that anyone would fix anything within some specified time once a problem is reported. 20:06:39 <TruePika> I just want to find a configuration that works with the overlay right now 20:07:03 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d173-183-158-32.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: Rhamphoryncus] 20:07:19 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-89-176-31-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:07:30 <andythenorth> silly old OS X 20:07:34 <__ln__> so the goal is OpenTTD on Steam, or what? 20:07:49 <andythenorth> Supercheese: you're using the FISH 2 from Bananas? Or some other nightly? 20:07:50 <TruePika> the goal is the Steam overlay working with OpenTTD 20:08:02 <TruePika> OTTD would never be distributed over Steam :P 20:08:04 <Supercheese> I don't think I got mine from Bananas 20:08:29 <andythenorth> I added one today 20:08:43 <andythenorth> needs a recent ottd nightly (purely to limit the number of people getting it) 20:08:49 <__ln__> i was pretty sure it would never be distributed, that's why i asked 20:08:53 <Supercheese> New FISH and new CHIPS! \o/ 20:08:57 <TruePika> xD 20:08:59 <Supercheese> Huzzah 20:09:10 * Supercheese doesn't see it on bananas 20:09:17 <Supercheese> time to upgrade version 20:09:59 * TruePika presses Shift+Tab 20:10:00 <TruePika> nothing 20:10:05 <TruePika> (with default video) 20:10:22 <TruePika> Is SDL compiled into the Win64 stable build? 20:11:23 <__ln__> even though the windows version doesn't even use SDL? 20:11:33 <TruePika> I take that as a no 20:12:03 <andythenorth> Supercheese: needs r24530 or newer 20:12:03 <Yexo> as I said, you might be able to get SDL if you compile it yourself 20:12:22 <Supercheese> Yep, time to upgrade 20:12:23 <Yexo> andythenorth: on bananas I put it with 1.2 as requirement, wasn't sure 20:12:24 <andythenorth> FISH 2 is a total alpha 20:12:31 <andythenorth> Yexo: sounds fine to me 20:12:46 <Terkhen> andythenorth: shoulds like FISH 2 could use some goal script testing 20:12:47 <Yexo> it won't work on 1.1, needs some newgrf station features 20:12:51 <Terkhen> sounds* 20:12:57 <andythenorth> Terkhen: yes, maybe tomorrow :P 20:13:24 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d083db8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:13:27 <andythenorth> using it might inspire getting Eddi's buy menu patch into trunk too :P 20:14:52 <TruePika> WEll, getting OTTD set all up again since I hacen't played in ages 20:15:18 <TruePika> [Quick creation of vehical orders] <- what is? 20:15:29 <TruePika> and a plane just crashed on the title screen O_o 20:16:20 <Supercheese> Quick creation of vehicle orders: http://wiki.openttd.org/Advanced_Settings/Interface#Quick_creation_of_vehicle_orders 20:16:24 <TrueBrain> would SDL for Windows really still work? Well, I guess he will find out :D 20:16:36 <TruePika> ah, forgot about the wiki 20:16:56 <Supercheese> Wiki is decidedly more useful than not :) 20:17:09 <TruePika> I see the search integration with FF is still broken 20:18:06 <TrueBrain> hmm, funny, LibSDL has commits again 20:18:50 <TruePika> YAPF has been fixed up to work with ships? 20:19:14 <andythenorth> yup 20:19:26 <andythenorth> iirc it was not as slow as thought 20:19:28 <Alberth> TrueBrain: :o 20:19:48 <TrueBrain> 1 person basically, but he has been working on it for a while now it seems 20:20:06 <Zuu> yea, I recognize his name from when I started using SDL long time ago. 20:20:08 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-21-135.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:20:29 <TrueBrain> would 1.3 really see the lgiht of day? 20:20:30 <Zuu> Eg. around 2003 20:20:45 <TrueBrain> (I strongly doubt it, but I might be pesimistic :D) 20:21:06 <Zuu> The download page suggests that there is a 2.0 in the pipeline at some future point. 20:21:18 <Alberth> being pessimistic has the advantage you can be pleasantly surprised :) 20:21:32 <TrueBrain> owh, they call it 2.0 now? 20:21:35 <TrueBrain> guess it is better than 1.3 :D 20:21:38 <Zuu> http://www.libsdl.org/hg.php <-- has 2.0 mentioned 20:21:55 <Zuu> :-) 20:22:00 <Terkhen> the 2.0 version was listed already there when I was checking libraries used in game coding back in 2007 or 2008 20:22:53 <TrueBrain> I always wondered why SDL got so big. It isn't that great (no offense or anything, just stating the obvious I hope). There are much better altneratives .. I guess it works because it runs on so many platforms? 20:23:09 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@78.96.213.97] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 20:23:25 * Zuu liked the simplicity of it 20:23:54 <Zuu> Although it required me to implement things like DrawLine ... 20:23:55 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: what is a much better alternative then? 20:24:22 <TrueBrain> any OS specific API, I would almost say 20:24:30 <Zuu> But it gave a good learning platform for 2D graphics :-) 20:24:49 <TrueBrain> I always liked GGI, to name another one 20:24:53 <TrueBrain> but it is kinda dead these days 20:25:02 <Rubidium> so the alternative is trying to support a plethora of OS specific APIs 20:25:48 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: dont be so black and white ;) There are other SDL-like frameworks too (like GGI) 20:26:04 <Rubidium> GGI does do sound 20:26:14 <TrueBrain> GSI does 20:26:15 <Rubidium> allegro is much slower 20:26:17 <TrueBrain> GII does input 20:26:20 <TrueBrain> GGI does graphics 20:26:30 <TrueBrain> I like how they did that :D 20:28:58 <CIA-1> OpenTTD: terkhen * r24551 /trunk/src/lang/unfinished/ (frisian.txt thai.txt): -Fix (r24544): Change unfinished languages. 20:29:14 * andythenorth -> bed 20:29:15 <andythenorth> bye 20:29:16 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:29:56 <Rubidium> TrueBrain: where can I find that GSI api? 20:30:03 <TrueBrain> meh; I guess it is like PHP: it isnt the best, but everyone uses it :D Lets hope SDL 2.0 gets done some day and does away with a lot of sillyness in SDL 1.2 :D 20:30:21 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d172-218-21-135.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:31:31 <Terkhen> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTE0MDU <--- it seems that the guy is getting paid to work on SDL 20:32:53 <TrueBrain> Terkhen: that is interesting :) 20:33:24 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:35:43 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-89-176-31-70.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 20:36:01 <Terkhen> given their recent interest on linux, I guess something like SDL interests them 20:37:06 <Rubidium> not that I expect a switch to 2.0 to happen any time soon for OpenTTD's generic binaries 20:37:58 *** TruePika [~chris@cpe-67-49-41-0.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:37:59 <Terkhen> I guess it also comes with a lot of API changes 20:38:21 <TrueBrain> I guess it heavily depends how fast distros make it available 20:39:02 <Rubidium> I wouldn't expect it in Debian stable within 2.5 years 20:39:13 <Terkhen> that should give us years at least, and they will probably still pack the old version 20:39:32 <__ln__> you accidentally typed a point between 2 and 5 20:39:33 <TrueBrain> well, I am sure someone will make the driver for SDL2.0 as soon as it gets released :) 20:39:55 <TrueBrain> just when it should become default .. time will tell :) 20:40:43 <Terkhen> :) 20:47:23 <FLHerne> 'Hardware-accelerated 2D graphics' sounds encouraging :-) 20:48:11 <Terkhen> urgh, true, when 2.0 comes we will have to run some profiling 20:55:48 <FLHerne> That ship-separating patch actually works :-) 21:03:54 *** Alberth [~hat3@2001:980:272e:1:21a:92ff:fe55:fc8d] has left #openttd [] 21:04:03 *** fjb [~frank@p5481DA0A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:04:06 <fjb> Moin. 21:19:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19E94.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 21:24:27 <FLHerne> What changed in the Advanced Settings between r24250 and r24350? All patches that add a submenu break :-( 21:24:43 * FLHerne is feeling too lazy to look very carefully at it tonight :P 21:32:06 <Supercheese> Addition of description strings 21:32:09 <Supercheese> IIRC 21:32:22 <Supercheese> when you click on a setting, text appears at the bottom of the window describing it 21:33:14 <FLHerne> Supercheese: Ah. Will examine :-) 21:33:18 <FLHerne> Thanks :-) 21:33:29 <FLHerne> Supercheese: Played much 0ad yet? 21:33:53 * FLHerne needs to encourage more people to play it so as to have someone to play against :P 21:40:18 *** chester_ [~chester@95-25-122-63.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:35 <Supercheese> doing dishes, sorry afk 21:43:01 <FLHerne> Supercheese: Fair enough :-) 21:46:18 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:46:38 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [] 21:51:26 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 21:51:33 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip3.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 21:57:41 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:57:50 *** Guest7442 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:12:57 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.43.130.218] has joined #openttd 22:15:25 *** fjb [~frank@p5481DA0A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:16:46 *** NataS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 22:18:41 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.94.91] has joined #openttd 22:23:33 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:29:40 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.94.91] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:47 <Terkhen> good night 22:54:44 *** Biolunar [~mahdi@blfd-4d083db8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My life for Aiur] 22:59:23 *** keoz [~keikoz@159.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 23:10:51 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 23:28:57 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19E94.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]