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00:03:34 <krinn> night all 00:03:38 *** krinn [~krinn@206.227.101.84.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 00:17:15 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:18:11 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:18:22 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 00:46:20 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:10:30 <Eddi|zuHause> man, Siedler with low population growth is really annoying 00:36:00 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 00:45:53 <supermop> hmm? 00:58:51 *** dada__ [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:58:55 *** dada_ [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 02:03:53 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.247.49] has joined #openttd 02:23:28 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-66-108-51-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:38:33 *** bryjen [~bryjen@75.81.247.49] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:50:21 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-062-061.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 02:52:14 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-66-108-51-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 03:03:20 *** hmmwhatsthisdo [~hmmwhatst@h75-100-224-83.lactwa.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #openttd 03:26:12 *** keoz [~keikoz@58.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 03:36:32 *** MinchinWeb [~MinchinWe@S0106001a70f33931.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 03:45:18 <MinchinWeb> Is this where I could request that GSOrder.AppendOrder() be implemented? 03:50:01 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:bd10:9299:302:3560] has quit [Quit: bye] 04:24:07 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.43.132.91] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:56:55 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p57BD4C27.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:03:46 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5651.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:23:36 *** hmmwhatsthisdo [~hmmwhatst@h75-100-224-83.lactwa.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:48:07 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-66-108-51-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 05:55:26 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 05:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p57BD4C27.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 05:56:17 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p5DC67D44.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:02:56 *** MinchinWeb_ [~MinchinWe@S0106001a70f33931.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 06:09:58 *** MinchinWeb [~MinchinWe@S0106001a70f33931.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:12:06 *** MinchinWeb_ [~MinchinWe@S0106001a70f33931.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:22:39 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:26:38 <andythenorth> hi 06:30:10 <Rubidium> 'lo andythenorth 06:45:00 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@2001:470:1f06:13e0::1337] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:46:03 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 06:53:03 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@2001:470:1f06:13e0::1337] has joined #openttd 07:27:11 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 07:37:48 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19A8E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:56:24 *** Scottyob [~Scott@27-33-131-215.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 07:57:03 *** Scottyob [~Scott@27-33-131-215.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [] 08:08:53 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:20:28 <__ln__> http://edition.cnn.com/2012/10/28/world/americas/canada-earthquake/index.html 08:32:13 <Terkhen> good morning 08:33:07 <Rubidium> 'ola Terkhen 08:36:29 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 08:41:30 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 08:56:03 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 09:00:11 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 09:12:29 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-64-63.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 09:13:19 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 09:20:30 <andythenorth> hmm 09:20:38 * andythenorth have never done class inheritance in python 09:20:40 <andythenorth> should I bother? 09:20:43 <andythenorth> what's the gain? 09:20:44 <andythenorth> :P 09:29:07 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 09:29:34 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 09:34:34 <Zuu> In scripting languages the gain isn't as large. But you can still gain a bit if common code can be put in the parrent. 09:39:22 *** Jake [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:50:44 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host115-94-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:51:44 <Wolf01> moin 09:52:41 <andythenorth> lo Wolf01 10:01:00 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:02:10 *** keoz [~keikoz@58.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 10:12:47 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-065-177.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 10:15:44 <andythenorth> for nml, why does 'hide_sprite: 0;' cause the sprite to be hidden? 10:17:01 <andythenorth> does setting any value for hide_sprite cause it to be hidden? 10:19:02 <andythenorth> Yexo Hirundo_ ^ 10:21:12 <planetmaker> hide_sprite: 0; should show it... 10:21:23 <planetmaker> and for me it worked that way... got an example (patch)? 10:21:34 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@62-241-226-131.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:21:39 <planetmaker> e.g. look at the wood I comitted yesterday. 10:21:57 <andythenorth> yup, 2 mins 10:23:15 <andythenorth> planetmaker: diff against FIRS tip http://paste.openttdcoop.org/raw/1835/ 10:23:39 <andythenorth> l69 of diff is relevant 10:23:57 <andythenorth> with this, biorefinery smoke won't show 10:24:10 * andythenorth is reading nml source 10:26:20 <andythenorth> afaict, an nml expression returning False isn't same as returning 0 10:26:41 <andythenorth> if I spent the time to read the raw nfo, I could probably figure out why :P 10:27:05 <andythenorth> but that would be a lot of work to figure out where register values are being set 10:27:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19A8E.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:29:01 <andythenorth> I can work around this, but it's a bug in nml, or the nml docs 10:31:58 <planetmaker> andythenorth, if you compare to other parts of the code "0" always hides it... 10:32:24 <planetmaker> actually: of course 0 does NOT hide it 10:32:29 <planetmaker> hide_sprite: false 10:32:33 <planetmaker> means to draw it :-) 10:32:41 <andythenorth> does 'false' work for you? 10:32:43 <planetmaker> no 10:32:48 <andythenorth> seems 'false' != 0 10:32:49 <planetmaker> but to illustrate it 10:32:49 <andythenorth> :P 10:33:14 <andythenorth> could be I just read the docs wrong 10:33:20 <roidal> what the reason when the deticated server disables newgrf's? 10:33:24 <andythenorth> " If set to 1, this sprite will not be drawn at all" 10:33:27 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 10:33:35 <andythenorth> ^ I imply from that 0 = draw 10:33:39 <andythenorth> 1 = not draw 10:34:13 <planetmaker> roidal, not found 10:34:39 <roidal> intresting 10:35:04 <roidal> does the server need the grfs unpacked in the newgrf directory instead of download_content? 10:35:28 <planetmaker> no. if received via content_download it's fine 10:35:39 <planetmaker> andythenorth, yes 10:35:58 <planetmaker> hide_sprite: 0 means draw and hide_sprite: 1 means 'not draw' 10:36:31 <roidal> no, i copied it from a other machine to the server? 10:36:35 <roidal> maybe thats the problem? 10:37:00 <planetmaker> if in the right place: no 10:37:35 <roidal> then i have no idea whats the problem :( 10:37:44 <andythenorth> planetmaker: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1836/ 10:37:49 <andythenorth> ^ causes sprite to be hidden 10:39:37 <roidal> is there a way to get debug-messages? 10:39:41 <roidal> in the terminal 10:39:51 <andythenorth> I'll try my hide_sprite workaround to see what happens 10:43:42 <Yexo> good morning 10:45:12 <andythenorth> lo Yexo 10:48:36 <andythenorth> hmm 10:48:39 <andythenorth> workaround works 10:49:17 <andythenorth> so setting any constant value for hide_sprite causes sprite to be hidden afaict 10:49:50 <Yexo> any non-zero constant should do that 10:50:01 <andythenorth> zero does it too 10:50:38 <andythenorth> nml bug? or docs bug? 10:50:49 <Yexo> not sure yet, looking at it now 10:53:09 <Yexo> output from nml looks ok 10:53:21 <Yexo> are you sure your testing is ok? 10:54:39 <planetmaker> roidal, ./openttd -d grf=1 10:54:45 <planetmaker> or use a higher number for more output 10:55:27 <andythenorth> Yexo: I'll test again 10:56:06 <roidal> planetmaker: thanks...figured it out...i copied the openttd.conf from a windows to a linux machine...so in the newgrf-settings the "\" must be replaced with a "/" 10:57:26 <andythenorth> Yexo: confirmed, setting hide_sprite to 0 hides sprite 10:58:43 <Yexo> hmm, could you make an nml ticket about it so I don't forget? 10:59:01 <Yexo> don't have enough time to look more detailed at it now 10:59:17 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:59:28 <andythenorth> k 10:59:32 * Yexo is off to learn some Chinese basics ;) 10:59:44 <andythenorth> ho 11:00:26 <planetmaker> Chinese basics. ho ho 11:01:27 *** Jake [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has quit [autokilled: Off (2012-10-28 11:01:27)] 11:05:08 *** Jake_ [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:08:30 *** Jake_ is now known as Jake 11:24:10 <TrueBrain> http://binaries.openttd.org/stats 11:24:12 <TrueBrain> check out the average distance :D My algorithm seems to work :D 11:31:54 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:42:34 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: nice post :) 11:42:38 <TrueBrain> tnx :) 11:51:40 * andythenorth needs a growl notification for when FIRS has finished building 11:51:48 <andythenorth> wonder if OS X terminal has a 'bounce' command :P 11:56:15 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67D44.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:56:31 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67D44.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 11:57:46 <andythenorth> ah 11:57:50 <andythenorth> make && say done 11:57:55 <andythenorth> does the job :P 12:01:33 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 12:06:35 <andythenorth> 24 open FIRS tickets 12:06:42 <andythenorth> any of you file a bug, /me will be sad :| 12:13:13 <DorpsGek> Commit by truebrain :: r24635 /extra/website (14 files in 4 dirs) (2012-10-28 12:13:06 UTC) 12:13:14 <DorpsGek> [Website] -Update: updates to latest online version. tnx to frosch for the work on BaNaNaS 12:15:51 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-198-164.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:18:52 <Flygon> Yep. Nothing like chaining together 7 Le Belges so I can do frieght 12:34:14 *** keoz [~keikoz@58.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: keoz] 12:35:59 *** keoz [~keikoz@58.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 12:42:06 <andythenorth> Terkhen: planetmaker want to help with some FIRS smoke animation? 12:42:13 <andythenorth> needs random triggers, like oil wells 12:42:20 <andythenorth> I have toddler-management to do 12:43:32 <planetmaker> on my todays agenda is child management, too. not toddler, but 5 years later 12:43:53 <andythenorth> I send you mine 12:43:59 <andythenorth> they play together, we write code 12:52:47 <V453000> :D 12:52:51 <V453000> plan 12:57:27 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67D44.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:57:59 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67D44.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 13:00:33 <planetmaker> sound ok ;-) 13:00:43 <planetmaker> it's fine weather outside, so they'll mostly play by themselves 13:05:22 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:7063:1a7e:9ad1:69d9] has joined #openttd 13:05:25 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:13:38 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:14:21 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 13:19:54 *** DanMacK [~AndChat61@74.198.9.176] has joined #openttd 13:27:45 <DanMacK> Hey all 13:31:25 <Flygon> Yo 13:34:44 <Flygon> Urg 13:34:48 <Flygon> I need waypoints for my tras 13:34:51 <Flygon> trams* 13:47:55 <Terkhen> andythenorth: you want smoke turning on and off randomly? 13:51:20 <andythenorth> yes 13:51:25 <andythenorth> oil wells trigger would do it 13:51:34 <andythenorth> just don't have any free hands to type it :P 13:51:42 <TrueBrain> yet you can type it here ..... 13:51:45 <TrueBrain> suspecious .... 13:51:49 <andythenorth> this is not me 13:51:51 <andythenorth> this is my bot 13:51:55 <andythenorth> I have a partial implementation, I'll commit 13:51:56 <TrueBrain> ah 13:51:57 <TrueBrain> pfew 13:51:59 <TrueBrain> :) 13:58:38 *** Markavian [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:03:45 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:04:03 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:07:38 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.43.132.91] has joined #openttd 14:13:43 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 14:13:46 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 14:14:08 <Alberth> hi hi 14:14:56 <andythenorth> lo Alberth 14:17:17 <andythenorth> Terkhen: I might have found some typing time :) 14:18:45 <Terkhen> andythenorth: I'll check it later, bbl :) 14:24:07 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 14:31:28 *** Markavian [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:34:09 <andythenorth> when there are two chimneys very close together 14:34:18 <andythenorth> should the smoke animation be same for both? 14:34:24 <andythenorth> or different? 14:37:29 * Alberth throws a dice 14:37:50 <Alberth> it's 'odd' ! 14:38:52 <andythenorth> heads or tails? 14:41:06 *** DanMacK [~AndChat61@74.198.9.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:45:08 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-213-65.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 14:46:34 <Alberth> heads 14:48:27 <andythenorth> given this in nml '3701 + animation_frame' 14:48:44 <andythenorth> there must be a way to use ternary operator to include a frame offset 14:49:21 <andythenorth> so anim_offset = 4 starts the animation at 3705 14:49:38 <andythenorth> but loops round to start on 3701 14:50:12 <andythenorth> can't use a tile trigger for this 14:51:19 <andythenorth> 3705, 3706, 3707, 3701, 3702, 3703, 3704 14:51:21 <andythenorth> etc 15:15:52 <andythenorth> this is embarassingly basic maths I can't do :P 15:15:59 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: you like this kind of problem? 15:16:20 <Eddi|zuHause> err... 15:17:12 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: you might want to try the "modulus" operator 15:17:51 <Eddi|zuHause> so if you loop 7 frames, "3701 + frame%7" 15:18:05 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure if nml has that 15:18:14 <Eddi|zuHause> but rather likely 15:18:20 <andythenorth> seems to http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Elementary_values 15:18:40 <Terkhen> andythenorth: IIRC I made different smoke animations for buildings with more than one chimney at one point 15:18:52 <Terkhen> or maybe I only planned it 15:18:56 <andythenorth> Terkhen: you did, they're on different tiles though 15:19:01 <andythenorth> so they use tile triggers 15:19:13 <Terkhen> oh, ok 15:19:21 <Terkhen> what did you want me to check, btw? 15:20:37 <andythenorth> glass works 15:20:43 <andythenorth> needs the tile triggers addded 15:20:47 <andythenorth> I didn't do it yet 15:22:56 <Terkhen> I don't remember how to do that anymore, let me check other industries 15:23:25 <andythenorth> check oil wells 15:23:27 <andythenorth> or the brick works 15:23:44 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:27:45 <andythenorth> brick works has desync smoke 15:29:54 <andythenorth> so I have 15:29:54 <andythenorth> sprite: 3701 + (animation_frame - 1)%7; 15:30:11 <andythenorth> which doesn't break, but doesn't have the intended result :) 15:30:17 <andythenorth> -1 is the offset 15:31:10 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 15:31:55 <Terkhen> andythenorth: sprite: 3701 + ((animation_frame + 6) % 8); <-- that's how I did it with brick works 15:31:55 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-213-65.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:03 <Terkhen> you should stick to positive offsets 15:32:05 <andythenorth> k 15:32:12 <Terkhen> I don't remember if % broke with negative offsets 15:32:22 <Terkhen> also, 8 should be the size too 15:32:42 <andythenorth> ah 15:32:50 <andythenorth> that's why it's skipping a frame 15:33:39 <andythenorth> thanks :) 15:36:39 *** snorre [~snorre@c4A06BF51.dhcp.as2116.net] has joined #openttd 15:38:25 *** snorre_ [~snorre@c4A06BF51.dhcp.as2116.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:46:13 *** snorre_ [~snorre@c4A06BF51.dhcp.as2116.net] has joined #openttd 15:48:00 *** snorre [~snorre@c4A06BF51.dhcp.as2116.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:51:34 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 16:05:04 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:06:38 <andythenorth> can a spritelayout get tile random bits? 16:09:36 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:27 <Yexo> have you tried var 0x5F? 16:11:32 <Yexo> not sure if/how that's available in nml 16:11:40 <andythenorth> haven't tried 16:12:14 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67D44.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:42 <Yexo> variable name "random_bits" 16:12:55 <andythenorth> That's what I'm looking for :) 16:14:00 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67D44.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:14:36 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 16:15:06 <TrueBrain> Experimental feature test 1 ...... lets see how well Rubidium can program Python :D 16:15:25 <Rubidium> .... NOT AT ALL 16:15:34 <Eddi|zuHause> <Terkhen> I don't remember if % broke with negative offsets <-- yes, because computers usually do "round towards 0", because it's easier to implement, but maths needs "round towards -infinity" because that makes more sense 16:18:00 <TrueBrain> meh; stupid Python 2.5 .... 16:18:06 <andythenorth> random_bits works 16:18:06 <TrueBrain> right, test 1 is a fail ..... 16:18:08 <TrueBrain> *sad panda* 16:18:09 <andythenorth> my nml doesn't :P 16:19:42 <Kjetil> nml.. nonsense-markup-language ? 16:20:14 <Eddi|zuHause> something like that :p 16:21:59 <TrueBrain> test 2 .... 16:22:01 <TrueBrain> I am so excited! 16:24:47 <Rubidium> FAIL 16:25:20 <TrueBrain> well, a partial success 16:25:23 <TrueBrain> test 3 .... 16:25:55 <Kjetil> Was it a triumph ? 16:26:06 <TrueBrain> is a fail ever? 16:26:34 <TrueBrain> well, it is transfering data ... 16:26:37 <TrueBrain> 4 MiB done ... 16:26:46 <TrueBrain> this will take a while ..... 16:26:49 <TrueBrain> 5 MiB ... 16:26:57 <andythenorth> meh 16:27:04 <andythenorth> think I have to use animation triggers for this 16:27:11 <TrueBrain> 7 ... 16:27:17 * TrueBrain goes to get some dinner ... 16:27:26 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-213-65.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:27:29 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db13299.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:27:48 <TrueBrain> 12 MiB 16:27:50 <andythenorth> cheating in the spritelayout fails 16:27:52 <TrueBrain> reaching the former barrier .... 16:28:17 <TrueBrain> owh, no, biggest so far was 20 MiB 16:29:46 <TrueBrain> 25 MiB done ... 16:30:34 <TrueBrain> 30 MiB ... 16:33:12 <TrueBrain> almost 20% done .... 16:33:13 <TrueBrain> right, food ... 16:35:53 <andythenorth> hmm 16:35:59 <andythenorth> animation triggers will have to wait :( 16:36:06 <andythenorth> baby feeding, bath, bed :P 16:36:46 <andythenorth> can't close the glass works ticket :p http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/1818 16:41:33 <TrueBrain> 100 MiB ..... 16:45:06 <Yexo> what are you measuring? 16:45:47 <TrueBrain> how far this transfer is of experimental feature test 3 16:46:06 <TrueBrain> almost half-way .... someone has a SLOW upstream :( 16:46:07 <Yexo> and what does test 3 do? 16:46:39 <TrueBrain> upon success it tells me the experimental features is 1 step closer to be non-experimental, and just a feature 16:46:55 <Yexo> you're very helpful :p 16:46:59 <TrueBrain> I know right! 16:47:42 <TrueBrain> but ... 145 MiB! 16:47:53 <TrueBrain> I am going to cry if it fails at 99% :( 16:50:13 <Rubidium> it's more likely to fail at 100% uploaded state 16:50:27 <TrueBrain> yeah 16:50:41 <TrueBrain> we should hav euploaded it to the server 16:50:45 <TrueBrain> and try it from there :P 16:54:30 <TrueBrain> 190 ..... 16:54:32 <TrueBrain> tick tack 16:58:59 <Rubidium> 80% 16:59:28 <TrueBrain> damn, a lot of traffic over our mirrors ... 16:59:33 <TrueBrain> we are too popular! :P 17:00:34 <TrueBrain> 5 GiB of traffic in an hour or so 17:00:42 <TrueBrain> 7k downloads (well, redirects) 17:03:37 <Yexo> andythenorth: in your test case for #4458 you write "(building sprites should be hidden for industries including Bauxite Mine, Hotel, or Stockyard)." 17:03:52 <Yexo> your patch however sets "hide_sprite: 0;" which implies that the sprites should be shown 17:04:04 <Yexo> what did you expect (sprite hidden or shown) and what was the result? 17:04:09 <peter1138> herpderp 17:04:09 <andythenorth> sprite shown 17:04:16 <andythenorth> patch shows the failure case 17:04:34 <peter1138> should i get back in openttd coding? 17:04:43 <Yexo> so "Attached patch against FIRS r3095 should reproduce the issue in (building sprites should be hidden for industries including Bauxite Mine, Hotel, or Stockyard)." is wrong and I should read it as "building sprites should be shown for industries..." ? 17:05:08 <andythenorth> Yexo: I'll rewrite those words :) 17:05:12 <andythenorth> peter1138: no, it's finished 17:05:20 <peter1138> ok 17:06:08 <TrueBrain> almost complete!! 17:06:12 * TrueBrain jumps up and down 17:06:14 <TrueBrain> lets see what it does 17:06:56 <Rubidium> quick, copy the tmp file 17:07:07 <TrueBrain> like I can ... will be hard to copy that :P 17:07:08 <Kjetil> copy the garbage file instead! 17:07:15 <TrueBrain> its gone already 17:08:15 <andythenorth> Yexo: rewritten 17:08:32 <andythenorth> peter1138: are there any interesting problems left? o_O 17:08:37 <Yexo> thanks 17:08:46 <andythenorth> you threatened to fix terragenesis once 17:08:49 <Yexo> I've reproduced it easily with your diff 17:09:09 <andythenorth> nml bug or docs bug? 17:09:24 <Yexo> the docs are ok 17:09:39 <Yexo> your code doesn't work as it should, so there is a bug in nml or in openttd, most likely in nml 17:09:50 <peter1138> i guess 32bpp crash remapping 17:09:58 *** roland [~roland@194-166-223-97.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 17:10:23 <peter1138> but, no dev environment set up in windows 17:10:32 *** roland is now known as Guest3464 17:12:10 <peter1138> except codeblocks 17:12:17 <peter1138> but there's no project file for that 17:13:47 <TrueBrain> test 3 is highly successful 17:13:58 <TrueBrain> minor glitch, nothing fancy 17:14:39 *** roidal [~roland@93-82-54-145.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:22:19 <TrueBrain> haha, and ofc this crashes a different system 17:22:20 <TrueBrain> how lovely 17:26:50 <Yexo> andythenorth: issue fixed 17:27:23 <Yexo> !(some_constant) was parsed to (bool)some_constant instead of "!(bool)some_constant" 17:31:33 <andythenorth> :) 17:31:34 <andythenorth> thanks 17:32:16 <TrueBrain> crashes left there, we have a nice juicy huge bigass file for those who know how to find it available via BaNaNaS 17:32:18 <TrueBrain> how lovely :) 17:33:46 <Terkhen> nice :D 17:34:03 <andythenorth> Yexo: would it interest you to automagically convert FIRS industries like claypit (54 spritesets) to the python templating format? :P 17:36:32 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-213-65.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:36:54 <Yexo> I think the simplest solution would be to reuse nml's parsing and just add some custom output 17:37:05 <Yexo> ie add some hacks to nml to make it do the conversion 17:38:40 <andythenorth> ho ho 17:38:48 <andythenorth> mostly I have been converting manually 17:38:53 <andythenorth> but that industry scares me :P 17:38:59 <andythenorth> some others too :) 17:39:43 *** Djohaal_ [~Djohaal@189.58.9.229.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 17:44:12 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67D44.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:44:45 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67D44.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:46:03 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.43.132.91] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:46:15 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24636 /trunk/src/lang (10 files in 2 dirs) (2012-10-28 17:45:58 UTC) 17:46:16 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:46:17 <DorpsGek> afrikaans - 98 changes by Oomjcv 17:46:18 <DorpsGek> catalan - 4 changes by arnau 17:46:19 <DorpsGek> czech - 18 changes by metis 17:46:20 <DorpsGek> finnish - 3 changes by jpx_ 17:46:21 <DorpsGek> italian - 3 changes by lorenzodv 17:46:22 <DorpsGek> korean - 6 changes by telk5093 17:46:23 <DorpsGek> latvian - 5 changes by Parastais 17:46:24 <DorpsGek> russian - 3 changes by Lone_Wolf 17:46:25 <DorpsGek> spanish - 3 changes by Terkhen 17:46:26 <DorpsGek> tamil - 7 changes by aswn 17:46:43 <TrueBrain> someone didnt know about wintertime 17:49:53 <TrueBrain> there, fixed .. it will commit again in 1 hour :D 17:50:24 <andythenorth> hrn 17:53:51 <Terkhen> are we going to have two nightlies today, or just two translator commits? :P 17:55:03 <TrueBrain> the latter 17:55:05 <TrueBrain> dont be silly :D 17:55:23 <andythenorth> Terkhen: so oil well animation....stop/start is just a random switch thing? But then you have to explicitly handle getting to the right frame? To avoid jerky animation? 17:56:10 * Terkhen checks the code 17:56:20 <andythenorth> it kind of makes sense, but...I miss something 17:56:31 <andythenorth> the comment for result 11 on _tile_oil_well_anim_next_frame 17:56:34 <andythenorth> confuses me 17:57:14 <Terkhen> andythenorth: check _tile_oil_well_random_trigger 17:57:20 <Terkhen> it does not stop the animation 17:57:23 <Terkhen> it decides between two animations 17:57:34 <Terkhen> _tile_oil_well_stop_anim will stop after completing the animation cycle 17:57:42 <Terkhen> _tile_oil_well_start_anim restarts it 17:57:49 <Terkhen> restarts it once it is done* 17:58:59 <andythenorth> the coment that confuses me is this: 17:59:00 <andythenorth> 11: return CB_RESULT_STOP_ANIMATION; // Don't actually stop animation, just keep looping the same frame over and over. 18:00:46 <TrueBrain> does anyone has any BaNaNaS content he/she can upload? 18:00:49 <TrueBrain> I need to test somethng new .... 18:01:18 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: I can 18:01:30 <Terkhen> andythenorth: that looks wrong, yes 18:01:36 <TrueBrain> I made some changes to the web-frontend .. it should auto-mirror now 18:01:38 <TrueBrain> I hope 18:01:39 <TrueBrain> I think 18:01:41 <TrueBrain> I estimate 18:02:06 <TrueBrain> so if you have anything to upload, that would be awesome, as then I can check it :D 18:02:43 <andythenorth> doing it now 18:02:48 <andythenorth> FISH 2 alpha-4 18:05:45 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: done 18:05:48 <TrueBrain> hmmmm 18:05:51 <TrueBrain> you didnt get any error? 18:07:21 <andythenorth> no 18:08:53 <TrueBrain> nasty typo ... 18:08:57 <TrueBrain> well, at least no error :D 18:08:59 <TrueBrain> hihi 18:09:00 <TrueBrain> tnx! 18:10:05 <TrueBrain> okay ... BaNaNaS now publishes files directly on the mirrors when they are uploaded 18:10:13 <TrueBrain> no longer waiting for the next nightly! 18:10:15 <TrueBrain> \o/ 18:18:37 <DorpsGek> Commit by truebrain :: r24637 /extra/balancer (12 files in 3 dirs) (2012-10-28 18:18:31 UTC) 18:18:39 <DorpsGek> [Balancer] -Update: update to live version of new balancer (2.0, new and improved!) 18:19:36 *** argoneus_ [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:22:40 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:24:38 *** argoneus__ [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:26:09 <Yexo> downloading zBase from BaNaNaS :) 18:26:50 <TrueBrain> :D 18:27:07 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: if you have another upload for BaNaNaS, please prod me first (when-ever) .. 18:27:15 <TrueBrain> I have another pending change; I would love to see if it works :) 18:27:22 <TrueBrain> no rush, but .. when you do, please do let me know :) 18:28:24 <andythenorth> nothing imminent sorry :P 18:29:01 <TrueBrain> too bad :( 18:29:03 <TrueBrain> :D 18:29:43 *** argoneus_ [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:34:30 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67D44.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:34:49 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67D44.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:39:01 <Yexo> takes a while to download 279MiB on a not-so-fast connection 18:39:43 <TrueBrain> yup 18:39:53 <TrueBrain> at least it will punish those: select all, download 18:39:54 <TrueBrain> people :P 18:40:18 <Alberth> wes hould have zbase in several variants :p 18:44:41 *** Jake is now known as Jake|afk 18:45:32 <Yexo> download complete :-D 18:45:45 *** MinchinWeb_ [~MinchinWe@S0106001a70f33931.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 18:45:49 <TrueBrain> gratz 18:45:51 <TrueBrain> :D 18:46:03 <Yexo> nice work 18:46:18 <TrueBrain> mostly Rubidium :) 18:46:38 <Yexo> so nice work Rubidium and TrueBrain :) 18:54:44 <Zuu> Yellow buses in zBase cause me to think that I'me seenig an explosion all the time. :-p 18:55:10 <Zuu> And yea, great wok. You made me play OpenTTD a bit :-) 18:55:14 <Zuu> work* 18:55:48 <peter1138> zbase is on there now? 18:56:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6BB56.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:57:32 <peter1138> hmm 18:57:39 <peter1138> not available for 1.2.3-RC1? 18:57:54 <Yexo> nope, only recent nightly 18:59:43 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-66-108-51-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 19:02:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6D0A8.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:02:32 <Zuu> Hello MinchinWeb_ 19:02:39 <MinchinWeb_> Hello! 19:02:45 <Zuu> I hope you manage to follow the discussion that ended up from your post :-) 19:02:50 <supermop> subway closes at 7 19:02:55 <MinchinWeb_> I just saw that 19:02:56 <Zuu> managed* 19:03:09 <MinchinWeb_> I think I can do it as an AI 19:03:35 <Rubidium> supermop: here the subway closed at 6 19:03:38 <MinchinWeb_> If I have the player build the canals and the AI runs the ships, money won't be a problem 19:03:38 <Zuu> At my next last post there is a sample AI that do all the communication stuff already. 19:03:55 <Rubidium> ... but tomorrow they'll open at 8 ;) 19:04:24 <Zuu> When you are done, I will add the AI into the scenario and use the cheats to give it enough money that money wont be a problem. 19:04:30 <supermop> no timetable for ours to reopen, governor says it'll be indefinate 19:05:03 <supermop> last year they didn't close it until midnight after it had already started raining 19:05:34 <Zuu> That said, it is also possible that the GS builds the canal, but that needs to be done before/after AI or additional synchronizaton is needed. 19:05:50 <Zuu> But if you want to do that, you are free to experiment with that too. 19:05:57 <MinchinWeb_> the only 'issue' as such I ran into is with my Ship Pathfinder. If the canal isn't three wide, it can't seem to find the path. So that's why the canal is three wide 19:06:41 <Rubidium> they just need some places where they can turn around 19:06:53 <Zuu> Can you run the ship pathfinder from oilrig2 -> lock 2 and then from lock1 -> refinery dock? 19:07:42 <Zuu> I can verify that lock 2 is the one near oilrig2 if that is useful. 19:08:08 <MinchinWeb_> yes, but the way it's set up is that the pathfinder hands off that path as the basis for the orders 19:08:29 <MinchinWeb_> so, running the pathfinder isn't hard; it's putting together the orders 19:08:33 <Zuu> Ok, fine. if you want to build the canal 3 tiles wide, that is up to you. 19:10:47 <andythenorth> Terkhen: so I have this http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1840/ 19:10:54 <Zuu> Though, IIRC the human will not use buyos, so you could probably do without buyos too. 19:10:58 <andythenorth> which I thought would stop and start animation randomly, per tile 19:11:37 <supermop> Rubidium: where do you live with a subway? 19:13:02 <andythenorth> seems that some tiles are randomly stopped 19:13:06 <andythenorth> and some are running 19:13:11 <andythenorth> but nothing causes them to change 19:15:41 <Rubidium> supermop: Amersfoort 19:17:04 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r24638 /trunk/src/network/core (tcp_content.cpp tcp_content.h) (2012-10-28 19:16:58 UTC) 19:17:05 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: add some #ifndefs so MSU code doesn't need to compile it, and doesn't need all the required dependencies 19:18:05 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r24639 /extra/masterserver_updater (config.lib src/shared/string_type.h) (2012-10-28 19:18:00 UTC) 19:18:06 <DorpsGek> [MSU] -Fix: make the content server compile again 19:18:26 <MinchinWeb_> Zuu: buoys are needed to get out of the lake, are they not? 19:18:46 <MinchinWeb_> On the 'short' connection, I don't expect any bouys will be built 19:18:51 <Zuu> When I play it as human, i don't run into that problem. 19:19:09 <andythenorth> periodic processing loop - what, how often etc? 19:19:11 <andythenorth> for industry tiles 19:19:15 <andythenorth> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action0/Industry_Tiles#Triggers_for_callback_25_.2811.29 19:19:20 <andythenorth> ^ no details there 19:19:35 <Zuu> It depend on what pf you use. I beleive it uses yapf for ships. Or at least not the fastest/worst one. 19:19:58 <supermop> Rubidium: ah, no hurricanes there 19:20:33 <supermop> are you guys teaching AIs to use boats? 19:20:37 <Yexo> andythenorth: if you're talking about bit 1 ("the tile is processed in the periodic processing loop") it's the tileloop, so 1/256 ticks 19:20:46 <andythenorth> ta 19:21:02 <Yexo> for bit 2 ("the industry of the tile is processed in the periodic processing loop (synchronized animation)") it might be another value, I'd have to check that 19:21:04 <andythenorth> trying to figure out why my code does unexpected things :P 19:21:13 <andythenorth> it's bit 1 I refer to 19:21:23 <andythenorth> I'm trying to desync animation on multiple tiles 19:21:42 <andythenorth> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1840/ 19:21:54 <andythenorth> I get a stopped animation, or a running animation, and they don't change :P 19:23:05 <Rubidium> supermop: yet the subway closed before yours closes 19:24:39 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 19:24:42 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:24:43 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 19:24:52 <Terkhen> oh, he's gone 19:24:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:25:08 <Terkhen> andythenorth: the paste you shown me is missing anim_next_frame at the graphics block 19:25:18 <andythenorth> yes 19:25:27 <andythenorth> is that needed in conjuction with anim_control? 19:25:39 <supermop> Rubidium: normally ours runs 24hrs, luckily i can just walk to work though 19:26:48 <Terkhen> IIRC we used anim_next_frame to loop back from the "end" frames to the beginning frames, and anim_control to switch between "stop" animation and "loop" animation 19:26:50 <Terkhen> bbl 19:27:47 <andythenorth> I am testing using anim_next_frame 19:27:49 * Rubidium can walk to work as well... it's just a bit far 19:27:55 <andythenorth> and ignore anim_control, which I don't understand :P 19:28:12 <Rubidium> a bicycle seems to be the fastest mode of transportation for the distance I have to travel 19:28:48 <dada_> anyone know if it's possible to configure hotkeys through the console in 1.2.2? 19:28:57 <dada_> or do I need to modify my cfg? 19:29:23 <andythenorth> hmm 19:29:31 <andythenorth> problem I have is re-randomising bits 19:30:41 <andythenorth> nvm 19:33:55 *** joan [~joan@188.119.197.163.dynamic.eurona.net] has joined #openttd 19:35:04 *** joan [~joan@188.119.197.163.dynamic.eurona.net] has left #openttd [] 19:35:14 <Yexo> dada_: you'll need to change hotkeys.cfg 19:35:55 *** joan [~joan@188.119.197.163.dynamic.eurona.net] has joined #openttd 19:36:49 *** joan [~joan@188.119.197.163.dynamic.eurona.net] has left #openttd [] 19:37:22 *** joan_ [~joan@188.119.197.163.dynamic.eurona.net] has joined #openttd 19:37:30 <andythenorth> so how do I get new random tile bits? 19:37:32 <Yexo> hi joan_ . Are you leaving again in a minute? 19:37:33 *** joan_ [~joan@188.119.197.163.dynamic.eurona.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:37:42 *** joan [~joan@188.119.197.163.dynamic.eurona.net] has joined #openttd 19:37:50 *** joan [~joan@188.119.197.163.dynamic.eurona.net] has quit [] 19:37:59 <andythenorth> I thought this would use a random trigger http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/1841/ 19:38:22 <Yexo> it should 19:38:31 <Yexo> oh, no 19:38:45 <Yexo> random_switch only works if it's referenced in the "default" graphics chain 19:39:16 <andythenorth> hmm 19:39:16 *** DanMacK [~Dan@CPE602ad091690d-CM602ad091690a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 19:39:25 <andythenorth> hth do the oil wells work then :) 19:39:27 <andythenorth> interesting 19:41:56 <Yexo> random_trigger: ${industry.id}_tile_oil_well_random_trigger; <- I don't see that in your example 19:42:12 <andythenorth> no 19:42:16 <andythenorth> indeed 19:42:24 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:43:04 <Yexo> <Yexo> random_switch only works if it's referenced in the "default" graphics chain <- that was not 100% true, it only works if it's referenced in callback 1 19:43:13 <Yexo> in nml "random_trigger" is the name for callback 1. 19:43:23 <andythenorth> k 19:43:33 *** joan [~joan@188.119.197.163.dynamic.eurona.net] has joined #openttd 19:43:45 <Yexo> if you don't use "random_trigger" but use a random_switch in the default chain it'll work too, because every unimplemented callback falls through to the default chain 19:43:56 *** joan [~joan@188.119.197.163.dynamic.eurona.net] has quit [] 19:44:01 <andythenorth> I'll use random_trigger 19:44:09 <andythenorth> just figuring out what return values it wants 19:44:18 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:44:21 <Yexo> doesn't matter I think, as long as it's not CB_FAILED 19:44:40 <Yexo> and even that might work 19:52:45 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:56:40 <MinchinWeb_> supermop: Yes, I am trying to teach my AI to use ships :) 19:56:51 *** glx is now known as Guest3476 19:56:51 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:7063:1a7e:9ad1:69d9] has joined #openttd 19:56:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 19:56:52 *** glx_ is now known as glx 20:02:23 *** Guest3476 [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:7063:1a7e:9ad1:69d9] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:02:38 <supermop> coo 20:02:39 <supermop> l 20:02:59 *** hmmwhatsthisdo [~hmmwhatst@h75-100-224-83.lactwa.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #openttd 20:04:17 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r24640 /extra/masterserver_updater/src/contentserver (3 files) (2012-10-28 20:04:11 UTC) 20:04:18 <DorpsGek> [MSU] -Codechange: do not read the whole file at once, but read it along the way of the client downloading it 20:05:24 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 20:10:51 *** DanMacK [~Dan@CPE602ad091690d-CM602ad091690a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:17:15 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r24641 extra/masterserver_updater/src/contentserver/tcp.cpp (2012-10-28 20:17:08 UTC) 20:17:16 <DorpsGek> [MSU] -Fix: logic error causing no downloads at all 20:19:25 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:27:25 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 20:29:41 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@80.112.160.213] has joined #openttd 20:36:38 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.9.229.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 20:43:30 *** Djohaal_ [~Djohaal@189.58.9.229.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:49:50 *** hmmwhatsthisdo [~hmmwhatst@h75-100-224-83.lactwa.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has left #openttd [] 20:53:50 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.76.224] has joined #openttd 21:00:00 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.75.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:03:05 *** MinchinWeb_ [~MinchinWe@S0106001a70f33931.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:03:33 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 21:06:09 <Terkhen> good night 21:07:49 <andythenorth> bye Terkhen 21:20:08 <keoz> I have a question (about advanced settings): when should settings be saved in openttd.cfg ? On quit ? Or just closing the "Advanced setting" window ? 21:22:39 <keoz> because i'm changing some of them, but the modifications are not saved in the default config file, they are only in the saved game 21:23:09 <Yexo> there are actually two sets of settings in OpenTTD. 21:23:36 <Yexo> set 1 is the "new game settings", used when starting a new game. This set is stored in the config file when you quit openttd. It's also used to initialize the settings of a new game 21:24:14 <Yexo> set 2 is the settings of the current game. These settings are changed when you open the advanced settings windows from within a savegame. Changing settings here doesn't change the values in set 1, so they don't get stored in your config file nor used for new games 21:24:36 <Yexo> you can change the values in set 1 by opening the advanced settings window from the main menu 21:24:45 <Yexo> keoz: ^^ I hope that answers your question 21:25:58 <Ammler> isn't there also a save_config or something to "copy" the ingame settings? 21:26:25 <NGC3982> Evening. 21:27:03 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r24642 trunk/src/network/core/tcp.h (2012-10-28 21:26:57 UTC) 21:27:04 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: add helper function to see if there is anything in the send queue 21:27:50 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r24643 extra/masterserver_updater/src/contentserver/handler.cpp (2012-10-28 21:27:44 UTC) 21:27:51 <DorpsGek> [MSU] -Fix: do not (basically) busy-loop because we can send data, even if there is no data to send 21:27:54 <keoz> Yexo ok ! 21:28:18 <keoz> that means that in order to change it permanently, i need to change the advanced settings from the game menu 21:28:23 <Yexo> yep 21:28:24 <keoz> all clear, thank you 21:28:50 <Yexo> first time I've heard it this way, most people change a setting in the main menu and wonder why it doesn't affect their savegames 21:29:17 <keoz> :) 21:30:03 <andythenorth> eez bedtime 21:30:04 <andythenorth> bye 21:30:13 <Supercheese> vale, dormiture 21:30:19 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:31:06 <keoz> Yexo : i like doing things differently as most 21:34:00 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r24644 /extra/musa (13 files) (2012-10-28 21:33:55 UTC) 21:34:01 <DorpsGek> [MUSA] -Add: monkey uploader service ape 21:39:34 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r24645 extra/musa/COPYING (2012-10-28 21:39:28 UTC) 21:39:35 <DorpsGek> [MUSA] -Fix: forgot a file 21:47:36 <Ammler> the bananas main nav doesn't fit one row anymore (here) 21:48:47 <Ammler> maybe "Base Replacements" -> "Base Sets" 21:50:11 <planetmaker> hm. the nav bar breaks depending on the "zoom level" I choose in FF 21:51:14 <Ammler> he, if I zoom in, it has 1 row 21:52:24 <Ammler> it does not just split to 2 rows, it kinda also felt from the "black" top background 21:53:07 <planetmaker> yes. sometimes it's one row below black, sometimes on the black where it belongs, sometimes too long. Depending on the zoom level 21:54:21 <Ammler> (using standard view) 21:54:46 <Ammler> if I would zoom in twice, it is again working 22:01:33 <Ammler> I mean, what does opengfx replace? 22:02:06 <Supercheese> original TTD graphics 22:02:22 <Ammler> well, someone needs to have that 22:02:49 <Supercheese> alternatively, in the absence of the TTD graphics, OGFX doesn't replace anything 22:03:11 <Supercheese> hmm, perhaps the naming is a tad incorrect 22:03:25 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Hyronymus] 22:03:30 <Ammler> at leat became :-) 22:03:44 <planetmaker> I agree with ammler here. I should read base sets. 22:03:52 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has joined #openttd 22:03:59 <TrueBrain> I blame planetmaker, he wanted GS on there :P 22:04:04 <planetmaker> it's no replacement. 22:04:08 <TrueBrain> planetmaker: feel free to read that 22:04:18 <planetmaker> TrueBrain, :-) s/base replacement/base set/ 22:04:20 <planetmaker> read what? 22:04:27 <TrueBrain> [23:04] <planetmaker> I agree with ammler here. I should read base sets. 22:04:32 <planetmaker> :D 22:04:34 <Ammler> :-P 22:04:50 <planetmaker> damn you playing words on me, TrueBrain ;-) 22:04:57 <TrueBrain> damn your finger too fat to type 22:04:57 <Ammler> well, I suggested it more to fit in the nav again ;-) 22:05:10 <planetmaker> but yes ^^ 22:05:23 <TrueBrain> I refuse to make that change at this point 22:05:30 <planetmaker> k 22:05:36 <planetmaker> but why? 22:05:42 <TrueBrain> soly because I did 30 seconds ago 22:05:45 <planetmaker> is it more than replacing one text or graphics? 22:05:48 <Ammler> but Replacement is just wrong 22:05:58 <planetmaker> haha :-) 22:06:00 * planetmaker hugs TrueBrain 22:06:01 * TrueBrain rolls over the floor laughing 22:06:18 * planetmaker tickles TrueBrain for more lulz 22:06:57 <Ammler> planetmaker: maybe we also need to cleanup some readmes and descriptions 22:07:06 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-64-63.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 22:09:10 <planetmaker> hm, yes 22:19:42 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@62-241-226-131.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:21:33 *** argoneus__ [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:28:15 * TrueBrain flexse 22:28:17 * TrueBrain flexes 22:28:19 <TrueBrain> grr 22:28:39 <TrueBrain> balancer rewrite, check 22:28:42 <TrueBrain> musad online, check 22:28:51 <TrueBrain> check system for 270 MiB files, check 22:28:54 <TrueBrain> wrote forum post, check 22:28:59 <TrueBrain> now I need a hug! 22:29:04 * planetmaker hugs TrueBrain 22:29:08 <planetmaker> :-) 22:29:09 <TrueBrain> :D 22:29:18 * planetmaker pats TrueBrain 22:29:28 <planetmaker> and... now we stop it publicly :-P 22:29:36 <Supercheese> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3201/2908113771_91ae23e0bc.jpg 22:29:43 <Supercheese> Chocolate hugs 22:29:47 <TrueBrain> how cute! 22:30:05 <planetmaker> oh... just for you TrueBrain: http://thenicestplaceontheinter.net/ :D 23:01:07 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 23:03:05 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-29-26.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:03:08 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 23:09:05 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-92-166.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:09:15 *** glx is now known as Guest3497 23:09:15 *** glx_ [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:7063:1a7e:9ad1:69d9] has joined #openttd 23:09:15 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx_] by ChanServ 23:09:15 *** glx_ is now known as glx 23:09:56 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:12:35 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@80.112.160.213] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:15:28 *** Guest3497 [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:7063:1a7e:9ad1:69d9] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:17:40 <Yexo> good night 23:21:16 <Wolf01> 'night 23:21:22 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host115-94-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:31:48 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:50:51 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-198-164.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:51:22 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:58:54 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd