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00:01:04 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db13299.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My life for Aiur] 00:35:24 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable133.8-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 00:35:28 <drac_boy> hi 00:35:33 <Supercheese> salve 00:38:04 <drac_boy> salve? 00:45:19 <Supercheese> Latin greeting 00:45:31 <Supercheese> "Salve, amice" = "Greetings, friend" 00:45:39 <Supercheese> or "Hello, friend", etc. 00:46:05 <drac_boy> well latin isn't really english is it? :P 00:46:12 <drac_boy> anyway what doing? 01:06:16 *** bremerjoe [bc604415@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 01:10:08 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:10:58 *** bremerjoe [bc604415@ircip3.mibbit.com] has quit [] 01:10:59 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:11:30 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 01:13:29 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.9.229.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:45:20 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable133.8-80-70.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 02:03:48 *** Fremen [~muhweb@178-118-106-89.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:03:56 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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Solution on the web? Boot with noirqdebug. Now you no longer get the error .... 09:08:02 <TrueBrain> eeeeuuuhhh .. you do, but you can't see it ...... 09:08:09 <TrueBrain> sometimes ... I wonder ..... how stupid .... people are :P 09:10:56 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Quit: reboot] 09:19:20 <dihedral> greetings 09:19:54 *** TrueBrain_ [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 09:20:06 *** TrueBrain_ is now known as TrueBrain 09:38:48 <SpComb> kernel developers just learn to live with hardware weirdness :) 09:49:23 <peter1138> got your irq back? 09:53:08 *** keoz [~keikoz@58.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 09:54:17 <TrueBrain> atm it runs again ... in irqpoll mode :s 09:54:21 <TrueBrain> lets see how that works over time 09:58:58 <peter1138> heh, average 1.12Mbit/s -> 0.2Mbit/s 10:02:23 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@62-241-226-131.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:14:36 <TrueBrain> on average, people download from a mirror that is 2500km away from them (in the last 12h) 10:14:39 <TrueBrain> random stats ftw 10:20:34 <NGC3982> I must say, a dedicated OpenTTD server is quite bandwith effective 10:21:26 <NGC3982> My server has been active for like two weeks 10:21:51 <NGC3982> And my router tells me i have only used 130MB over port 3979 10:22:20 <TrueBrain> awh, nobody wants to play with you? 10:22:26 <NGC3982> I play by myself 10:22:27 <TrueBrain> #evil laughter# 10:22:31 <NGC3982> :D 10:22:41 <NGC3982> I'm the OpenTTD lone wolf 10:25:59 *** krinn [~krinn@115.227.101.84.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 10:26:02 <krinn> hi 10:27:59 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 10:36:28 <skipi> guys, is it possible to increase wood supply in forests ? 10:37:02 <skipi> coz one of my forests got like 32tons of wood, for like 30-40 years 10:37:20 <skipi> and it didnt increase to more than 40-50tons by this time :/ 10:37:49 <skipi> i thought, that if i would transport more, and more wood, it will increase over time 10:39:56 <krinn> good servicing increase chance to increase production, but increasing chance isn't the same as increasing production 10:40:24 <Yexo> production changes are random 10:40:37 <Yexo> the only sure way to increase them is by cheating (ctrl+alt+c) 10:41:05 <krinn> http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_mechanics#Industry_production 10:41:33 <krinn> do you feel lucky punk ? 10:41:37 <krinn> (sorry love that one too much) 10:45:26 <NGC3982> skipi: If you click on the industry, how much are you transporting (in percent)? 10:45:38 <skipi> 70-90% 10:45:41 <skipi> varies 10:46:26 <NGC3982> If you take a look at krinn's URL 10:47:35 <skipi> i see i just had bad luck 10:47:58 <skipi> there is still chance to decrease when production is higher than 60%, am i right? 10:48:11 <NGC3982> You will see how the transported/service level will affect production. 10:48:13 <Yexo> yes 11:01:36 <NGC3982> Shouldn't i be able to calculate how many trains i can fit on a circle rail line? 11:02:17 <NGC3982> I have the speed, i have the number of tiles, i have the length of each train, and i guess i can find out how many tiles 1km/h is covering. 11:06:15 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 11:09:28 *** namad8 [~aaaaa@pool-173-71-180-190.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:12:03 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... is anybody else hungry an hour earlier than they used to be? :) 11:14:30 <NGC3982> Yeah. 11:14:36 * NGC3982 actually ate an hour early. 11:14:50 <planetmaker> not anymore. Still timechange is a pile of stupidity 11:17:34 <V453000> ^ 11:18:19 <V453000> russians dont even have it anymore right? 11:18:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i think they wanted to reintroduce it 11:18:45 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@62-241-226-131.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 11:19:45 <krinn> isn't to saved energy? 11:20:50 <planetmaker> it's said. But it's a myth that it actually does save energy 11:21:28 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, they want to re-introduce it while they abolished it this very year? 11:23:23 <Eddi|zuHause> the theory behind it was that sunrise should be around the same time through the whole year. but nobody plans their life based on sunrise... 11:23:56 <V453000> :D 11:23:56 <Eddi|zuHause> and whether you switch on the light one hour longer in the morning, or one hour longer in the evening, doesn't save any power at all 11:24:01 <planetmaker> that idea is... a bit stupid 11:24:10 <planetmaker> exactly 11:24:16 <V453000> I fail to understand it really 11:24:18 <Pinkbeast> Errr no, that's clearly not the theory since sunrise varies by far more during the year. 11:25:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Pinkbeast: of course you can't fully compensate it 11:25:37 <krinn> if you consider everyone going home will turn the heat, making them going home late by an hour force them stay at work: and 10 people inside a heated place eat less than 10 people eating energy to heat 10 houses 11:25:50 <Pinkbeast> You can't even come close. The intention is not that "sunrise should be around the same time through the whole year". 11:28:54 <planetmaker> however you twist it, it's actually proven that switching back and forth to daylight saving time is economically a bad move 11:29:15 <planetmaker> due to people dropping in productivity due to the need to adjust their biorythm 11:29:59 <krinn> economicaly it may fail, but saving energy isn't only done for economical reason 11:30:12 <Pinkbeast> Who's twisting what? 11:30:13 <krinn> lol even i think they do that more for economical reason than saving the planet at first 11:30:16 <planetmaker> but you do not save energy either. That's proven, too, krinn 11:31:22 <planetmaker> e.g. see http://www.energy.ca.gov/daylightsaving.html and references therein 11:34:16 <krinn> i'm sorry, i'm french, so i won't read/trust anything going from a country where energy is a private company hold by a capitalist country. Their interrest is to make profit only, so if daylight save energy, not their interrest to use daylight switch 11:35:04 <Pinkbeast> For what it's worth, Wikipedia's references suggest to me that no-one really knows 11:35:08 <krinn> Just like i won't trust any commission paid by tobacco that proof cigarette is safe :) 11:36:09 <krinn> i do think it's impossible to really knows, hence why some say yes other say no. You can only trust a theory, that indeed might be false, but on paper the theory logic show energy is saved 11:36:41 <planetmaker> your understanding of what a theory is, seems to be off. A theory - opposed to hypothesis - can be proven right or wrong 11:37:16 <planetmaker> (and a theory must have a predictive power) 11:37:38 <krinn> hypothesis so 11:37:48 <keoz> actually, a hypothesis also 11:38:09 <keoz> you have to prove it or unvalidate ot 11:38:10 <keoz> it 11:38:12 <krinn> it's not it cannot be proven, just it's hard to really prove it 11:39:12 <krinn> in theory you wake up at 6, now they making you wake up at 7 so sun has rise more, and temperature is higher : you need less energy to raise your house temperature so... 11:39:36 <krinn> while making you going home one hour later, you are kept in a heated place a bit more with many other human, again, saving energy 11:40:01 <krinn> that could be totally wrong, but for me, it work on paper 11:40:05 <Pinkbeast> Uhh I think a discussion predicated on specific meanings of "theory", "proof", and "hypothesis" between two people one of whom is not a native English speaker... 11:40:27 <planetmaker> you think I am a native speaker? Think again 11:40:40 <krinn> german native no ? 11:40:46 <Pinkbeast> ... and neither of whom has said explicitly whether they are using these words in the way a scientist or a mathematician would, or as one might in normal speech... 11:41:09 <Pinkbeast> ... is doomed. And point taken, but that's _more_ doomed. 11:41:53 <Pinkbeast> And for the avoidance of doubt that's two different senses between the scientist and the mathematician. :-/ 11:48:44 <krinn> but i agree the bio change sucks 12:06:01 <NGC3982> planetmaker: Im having huge troubles with trying to convince people on the huge differences between theory and hypothesis around here. 12:06:44 <NGC3982> -huge 12:07:20 <NGC3982> For instance, i still hear people say "It's just a theory" when not understanding evolution or the Big Bang. 12:07:26 <NGC3982> And it grinds my gears. 12:13:12 <planetmaker> yup. Though both ARE a theory 12:14:16 <krinn> well, the theory could be "if you get your balls kick, you'll be hurt", and the hypothesis is that "if you get your balls kick" 12:14:46 <planetmaker> but generally the distinction between theory (can be proven / disproven, offers means to do so), a hypothesis does not need to offer means to test its correctness 12:24:06 <peter1138> daylight savings was always about farming 12:24:13 <peter1138> that's what we were taught 12:24:21 <peter1138> it is of course wrong 12:25:08 <Eddi|zuHause> only ~4% of europeans deal in farming 12:27:38 <krinn> Groups that have tended to oppose DST are farmers (from wikipedia) :D 12:30:42 <Eddi|zuHause> it's just normal that theories issued by politicians tend to collide with the reality of the people affected by them :p 12:30:57 <NGC3982> Invoke DST in OpenTTD 12:31:14 <Eddi|zuHause> there was an ancient night mod 12:31:19 <NGC3982> Oh? 12:31:45 <Eddi|zuHause> it's basically a replacement of the default graphics with night-y looking ones 12:32:15 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure if it even works in openttd 12:32:19 <Eddi|zuHause> never tried it 12:32:28 <NGC3982> Ah, i see. 12:32:28 <V453000> I think it does 12:32:34 <V453000> looks weird though 12:34:22 <planetmaker> it's an interesting change. But as long as time progresses with the pace as we see no within OpenTTD, there's little reason to actually use it... except for the different looks and if you like eternal darkness ;-) 12:35:04 <krinn> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=1752 12:35:10 <Eddi|zuHause> you could try it as a baseset or a static grf, then you can switch it on and off occasionally 12:35:14 <krinn> remember seen someone done night openttd 13:04:28 <peter1138> pardon? 13:13:28 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:14:31 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 13:14:38 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 13:32:00 <krinn> peter1138, http://wiki.openttd.org/Day/Night_Cycle 13:43:45 *** skipi [~smuxi@host22-185.tvk.torun.pl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32:17 *** dada_ [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:42:44 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-66-108-51-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 14:44:52 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.9.229.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 15:01:03 *** lugo [bc6f57fe@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:03:34 <supermop> pretty mild hurricane so far 15:03:45 <NGC3982> Where' you at? 15:04:20 <Eddi|zuHause> what you mean hurricane? it's calm and sunny outside... 15:04:39 <supermop> new york 15:04:58 <supermop> might go for a walk before the rain gets too heavy 15:05:18 <supermop> wind is like 30mph though at the moment 15:05:53 <supermop> 35mph 15:06:29 <supermop> the main part of it is farther south from us 15:33:57 <__ln__> for a walk? by car? 15:34:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:50:10 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:57:48 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 16:00:30 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:08:39 *** supermop [~daniel_er@cpe-66-108-51-234.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 16:16:05 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 16:44:13 *** telanus [~telanus@105-236-172-139.access.mtnbusiness.co.za] has left #openttd [] 16:44:20 *** FlyingFoX [~quassel@sanktwendel.weh.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44:25 *** FlyingFoX [~quassel@sanktwendel.weh.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #openttd 16:45:19 <Guest3464> how to join with the "connect"-command as a spectator? 16:45:24 *** Guest3464 is now known as roidal 16:46:38 <Yexo> try using 255 as company 16:48:49 <roidal> but how? the connect-command doesnt take a company parameter 16:49:02 <roidal> and on a connect it creates automatically a new company :( 16:52:40 <andythenorth> lo 17:05:10 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:10:22 *** roland [~roland@178-190-102-224.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 17:10:35 <Yexo> I think you can specify a company by appending #company_id after the ip address 17:10:56 *** roland is now known as Guest3620 17:11:20 <Yexo> roidal: ^^ 17:11:34 <Yexo> see also "help connect" 17:11:56 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-037-050.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 17:12:41 <Guest3620> youre right! thanks you! 17:14:20 <Guest3620> -s 17:14:39 *** Dan [bc8d59d0@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:14:46 <Dan> hi 17:15:00 *** roidal [~roland@194-166-223-97.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:15:15 <Dan> hi 17:15:17 <Dan> hgjk l yfr 17:15:18 <Dan> fgjtyfgy 17:15:21 <Dan> fuck 17:15:24 <Dan> gfjrfdyryf 17:15:26 <Dan> yrjryktyk 17:15:27 <Dan> tiyy7 17:15:27 <Dan> 7u 17:15:27 <Dan> 6t5fu 17:15:28 <Dan> 86r 17:15:28 <Dan> .k 17:15:28 <Dan> .8, 17:15:29 <Dan> ,6 17:15:30 <Dan> r.til 17:15:30 <Dan> 6r8, 17:15:32 <Dan> . 17:15:32 <Dan> 8.kl,. 17:15:34 <Dan> y 17:15:34 <Dan> y 17:15:36 <Dan> y 17:15:36 <Dan> yy 17:15:38 <Guest3620> o.o 17:15:38 <Dan> y 17:15:38 <Dan> y 17:15:40 <Dan> y 17:15:40 <Dan> y 17:15:42 <Dan> y 17:15:42 <Dan> y 17:15:44 <Dan> y 17:15:44 <Dan> y 17:15:46 <Dan> y 17:15:46 <Dan> y 17:15:48 <Dan> y 17:15:48 <Dan> y 17:15:50 <Dan> y 17:15:50 <Dan> y 17:15:52 <Dan> y 17:15:52 <Dan> y 17:15:54 <Dan> y 17:15:54 <Dan> y 17:15:56 <Dan> y 17:15:56 <Dan> y 17:15:58 <Dan> y 17:15:58 <Dan> y 17:16:00 <Dan> y 17:16:00 <Dan> y 17:16:02 <Dan> y 17:16:02 <Dan> y 17:16:04 <Dan> yy 17:16:04 <Dan> y 17:16:06 <Dan> y 17:16:07 <andythenorth> maybe he's being mugged 17:16:28 <planetmaker> @kick Dan 17:16:29 *** Dan was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [planetmaker] 17:16:40 <Knogle> heh 17:17:00 *** Dan [bc8d59d0@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:17:00 <Knogle> because "/kick Dan" would be a lot more work? :P 17:17:55 <Dan> y 17:17:55 <Dan> y 17:17:56 <Dan> y 17:17:56 <Dan> y 17:17:56 <Dan> y 17:17:56 <Dan> y 17:17:56 <Dan> y 17:17:58 <Dan> y 17:17:58 <Dan> y 17:18:00 <Dan> y 17:18:00 <Dan> y 17:18:02 <Dan> y 17:18:02 *** Dan [bc8d59d0@ircip1.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 17:18:04 *** Dan [bc8d59d0@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:18:13 <Dan> hi 17:18:22 <TinoDidriksen> So, cat? 17:18:29 <planetmaker> dan. Continue with this letter spam. And you'll be banned. Hi though 17:19:07 <Dan> sorry this is my frist time on a pc 17:19:10 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:20:36 <APTX> wat 17:20:41 <Dan> hi 17:21:09 *** Dan [bc8d59d0@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:21:49 <planetmaker> right 17:31:11 *** dada78641 [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 17:31:20 *** DanMacK [~AndChat61@74.198.9.146] has joined #openttd 17:31:39 <Elukka> a more functional replacement dan! 17:32:08 * DanMacK looks around... 17:32:15 *** dada78641 is now known as dada_ 17:33:13 <Elukka> yup. this one seems to work 17:33:46 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 17:35:40 *** Guest3620 is now known as roidal 17:37:53 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.9.229.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:38:23 <planetmaker> o/ DanMacK 17:38:46 <DanMacK> Hey hi 17:39:06 <andythenorth> o/ 17:41:35 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f574a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:47:38 *** kais58_ [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:49:30 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:50:22 *** Dan [bc8d59d0@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 17:50:29 <Dan> Hi 17:51:24 <Dan> hi 17:51:35 <andythenorth> hi 17:51:59 <Dan> So are you playing opentdd 17:52:51 <__ln__> nope 17:52:56 <Dan> i am 17:53:18 <Dan> Oh and i got a grf for car ferrys 17:54:10 <Dan> . 17:54:15 <andythenorth> what's it called? 17:54:33 <Dan> FISH ship set. 17:55:35 <andythenorth> the guy who makes that can be quite annoying 17:55:50 <Dan> ye 17:55:58 <andythenorth> sometimes he pointlessly trolls people 17:55:58 *** Dan [bc8d59d0@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:59:56 <planetmaker> yeah... really bad-ass guy at trolling others 18:00:53 <andythenorth> I can only ask 18:00:53 <andythenorth> y 18:00:54 <andythenorth> y 18:00:55 <andythenorth> y 18:01:06 <andythenorth> wonder if he has stuck key 18:01:26 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:827:9b3a:753d:ebe5] has joined #openttd 18:01:29 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:01:38 <andythenorth> planetmaker: get anywhere with water mill idea? 18:02:20 <planetmaker> not really. But give me sprites / idea of layout and it will be pretty straight forward, I say 18:02:39 <planetmaker> the river water check is already there. It just need be used 18:04:54 <andythenorth> k 18:05:04 <andythenorth> DanMacK: water mill? o_O 18:05:22 <andythenorth> I reckon (0,0; 0,1) and (0,0; 1,0) 18:05:26 <andythenorth> same as petrol station 18:05:40 <andythenorth> or just single tile, even easier 18:06:00 <andythenorth> depends how big we want it to be 18:06:09 <andythenorth> irl some mills were very big, but I think small is better 18:06:14 *** Jake [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:06:25 <andythenorth> 2 tiles, one of which has to block the river :P 18:06:31 <planetmaker> something like that, yes. maybe also the other two rotations 18:06:45 *** Jake|afk [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:06:45 <planetmaker> and... water mills are not really bigger than wind mills 18:06:48 *** Jake|afk is now known as Jake 18:06:55 <andythenorth> I wonder 18:06:57 <planetmaker> at least those which I've seen 18:07:11 <andythenorth> maybe we can graphically cheat this somehow 18:07:15 <andythenorth> to not block river 18:07:18 <andythenorth> going 'up' is easy 18:07:22 <andythenorth> going 'down' is not :P 18:07:48 <planetmaker> what you mean with cheat? 18:07:59 <andythenorth> similar to Quast's docks 18:08:12 <andythenorth> where he just makes tall sprites that give the illusion of overlapping RV stops etc 18:08:29 <andythenorth> so we don't have to block the river 18:08:42 <andythenorth> ach, let's just block the river :) 18:08:59 <planetmaker> I don't see big issues with that 18:09:09 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 18:09:19 <andythenorth> if it's annoying we'll change it, only one way to find out 18:09:22 <planetmaker> a river is not naviagable where a mill is used and vice versa 18:09:25 <andythenorth> so just 1 tile 18:09:26 <planetmaker> exactly 18:09:33 <andythenorth> and detect orientation in sprite layout 18:09:33 <planetmaker> well. two tiles? :-) 18:09:41 <planetmaker> one water one land? 18:09:44 <andythenorth> windmill is one tile 18:09:58 <andythenorth> I have no strong opinion tbh 18:10:01 <andythenorth> one seems less work 18:11:07 <planetmaker> sure. Doesn't match how I envisage the water mill to look like, though ;-) 18:11:19 <planetmaker> Hard to commmunicate without drawing, I guess ;-) 18:11:35 <keoz> I have a question/problem. I'm using "goto orders to depot" for the maintenance of some trains, with the order "Maintain if needed". The general setting for auto-maintenance is 50% but those trains with depot setting dont go to the assigned depot when going under 50%. What's the problem ? 18:12:14 <planetmaker> 50% of their max 18:12:18 <planetmaker> not 50% reliability 18:12:36 <keoz> oh ! 18:12:45 <keoz> ok, i get the point 18:12:52 <keoz> thank you :) 18:12:58 <planetmaker> np 18:13:02 <andythenorth> planetmaker: do two then :) 18:13:07 <planetmaker> :D 18:13:08 <andythenorth> I really don't mind 18:13:10 *** DanMacK [~AndChat61@74.198.9.146] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:13:20 <andythenorth> do a sketch in blocks of layout maybe? 18:13:20 <planetmaker> but... I can't draw [TM] ;-) 18:13:27 <planetmaker> yeah... let's see 18:13:30 <andythenorth> steal graphics from other industries temporarily 18:13:36 <andythenorth> use forge 18:13:42 <andythenorth> and some other bits 18:19:59 <planetmaker> ok, my 5-year-old god-daughter can draw just as fine... :http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/watermill_sketch.png 18:20:23 <planetmaker> that's the general way I envision it to look like. Layout-wise 18:20:25 <andythenorth> k 18:20:44 <andythenorth> undershot wheel 18:20:52 <planetmaker> the ground tiles are given. kinda 18:20:54 *** kais58_ [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:21:12 <planetmaker> hm... over-shot. that requires on slopes. That could have same layout but different srpites 18:21:25 <planetmaker> would also look nice :-) 18:23:04 <planetmaker> so if you have an idea for an overshot(?) thing... please go. I think we could make it work, too. On a slope 18:23:26 <planetmaker> would have the advantage that we don't block a river. As slopes are anyway blocked 18:23:48 <planetmaker> but much more difficult to place 18:24:25 <planetmaker> meh... why do I like that idea now more? ;-) 18:24:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A2C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:25:38 <andythenorth> because it's more awesome :) 18:25:53 <andythenorth> but less likely to get built :P 18:26:18 <andythenorth> try using the hardware store for mill building, should be right size approx 18:27:21 <planetmaker> yup. but other roof :-) 18:27:42 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I'm not sure mill stream *has* to join to river 18:27:52 <andythenorth> I think it's same as petrol station doesn't join to road ;) 18:28:09 <planetmaker> yes... maybe 18:28:17 <planetmaker> would look nicer though 18:31:34 <planetmaker> but that might then be my worry.... it might just need drawing ground, andythenorth, when we use a water tile sprite which we draw over 18:32:47 *** efess [~Efess@ool-18bfeb53.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:32:54 <__ln__> especially for Rubidium: http://www.macrumors.com/2012/10/29/phillips-to-sell-ios-controlled-led-light-bulbs-exclusively-through-apple-stores/ 18:34:07 <andythenorth> ugh 18:34:23 <andythenorth> the apple spawn continues 18:45:29 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24646 /trunk/src/lang (3 files) (2012-10-29 18:45:20 UTC) 18:45:30 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:31 <DorpsGek> belarusian - 3 changes by KorneySan 18:45:32 <DorpsGek> dutch - 3 changes by habell 18:45:33 <DorpsGek> latvian - 3 changes by Parastais 18:55:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6DE98.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:57:36 <keoz> andythenorth : just to be sure: the percentage is the percentage of reliability *lost* from the max, or the percentage still remaining ? 18:57:38 <roidal> is it correct that openttd supports IPv6? 18:57:39 <keoz> erf 18:57:41 <keoz> planetmaker 19:00:11 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6BB56.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:00:21 <roidal> the question in this case is: how to seperate the IPv6 address from the port? 19:00:44 <krinn> http://www.openttd.org/en/news/92 19:00:49 <krinn> roidal 19:02:03 <roidal> krinn: thx, and how can i give a different port if i use IPv6? 19:02:15 <roidal> IP:Port doesn't work in this case 19:02:35 <roidal> and [IP]:port either 19:02:40 <krinn> generally IP:port or IP space port 19:02:48 <krinn> i would try IP space port so 19:02:52 <roidal> k 19:03:24 <roidal> space doesn't work either 19:04:16 <krinn> Server address(es): 78.46.38.115:3988 19:04:17 <krinn> [2a01:4f8:110:3264:77d::]:3988 19:04:39 <andythenorth> TrueBrain: got any mirrors in NYC? 19:05:08 <krinn> roidal so try [IP::]:port so 19:05:11 <planetmaker> keoz, it's 50% of what the engine has when freshly serviced 19:05:43 <keoz> yes, that's perfectly clear, the question is another 19:05:59 <TrueBrain> andythenorth: not that I know 19:06:00 <keoz> let's say my train has 92 Max reliability 19:06:17 <keoz> and i set it to go when it comes to 60% 19:06:46 <roidal> krinn: thanks, it seems that i made a mistake 19:06:48 <keoz> will it go when it goes under 60% of 92%, or when he had lost 60% of 92% ? 19:06:59 <keoz> will it go to the depot, when it goes under 60% of 92%, or when he had lost 60% of 92% ? 19:08:08 <planetmaker> 60% reliability means to me 0.6*0.92 for me in that case 19:08:12 <planetmaker> but... test? :-) 19:08:26 <keoz> that's what i thought, but seems not to work properly 19:08:38 * andythenorth ponders FIRS tickets 19:08:46 <keoz> so I tried to invert: 40% for all trains, including the ones having depots orders 19:09:30 <keoz> ok, I make some test, and if doesnt work, I make a big post on the board :-) 19:10:23 * andythenorth attempts to get to FIRS tracker :P 19:10:35 <andythenorth> my connection drops ~50% of pings 19:11:03 <planetmaker> keoz, "doesn't work" is pretty vague in terms of what goes wrong ;-) 19:12:29 <andythenorth> planetmaker: can you see devzone? 19:12:32 <andythenorth> nvm 19:12:34 <andythenorth> I have it now 19:13:54 <keoz> planetmaker : doesn't work = he skips the goto-depot-order even when the train is below the defined limite. 19:20:01 <krinn> koez: you define order 1 jump to order3 if fiability is higher 60 19:20:05 <krinn> order2 goto depot 19:22:22 <planetmaker> keoz, mind, that the "goto depot" is only considered when pathfinding is done. Not on a straight line. Thus it needs intersections and alternative paths 19:22:59 <NGC3982> Oh 19:23:18 <NGC3982> That explains a fair bit of why i abandoned that order option a while ago. 19:23:24 <NGC3982> I actually thought it was broken. :) 19:25:41 <krinn> i tried and it works, going from order3-4 until fiability < triggervalue then it goes to order2 19:26:28 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:26:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@31.124.132.148] has joined #openttd 19:32:55 *** keoz [~keikoz@58.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:38:29 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:38:43 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 19:38:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A2C7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:39:16 *** keoz [~keikoz@1.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 19:39:20 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc2-cwma8-2-0-cust293.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:44:20 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 19:45:00 <keoz> well looks I disconnected. Did I lose something ? 19:46:28 <Rubidium> at least your connection 19:46:33 <__ln__> well, first mr. TrueBrain left, saying nothing, then the same minute he came back, still saying nothing. not much later Progman's connection was closed by a remote host. 19:46:52 <NGC3982> CIA man. CIA.. 19:47:20 <planetmaker> CIA is dead 19:47:37 *** KritiK [~Maxim@95-24-72-169.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:48:02 <NGC3982> It's Obama man 19:48:16 <NGC3982> They keep free energy cuz they are evil 19:48:24 <NGC3982> And so on. 19:49:33 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:50:50 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:50:50 <TrueBrain> I just pressed a wrong button :P 19:50:55 <TrueBrain> turns out ctrl+r reconnects me 19:52:03 <__ln__> that's almost as nice as ctrl+r on VMware, which reboots the virtual machine without any confirmation dialog. 19:52:18 <peter1138> nice 19:52:57 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 19:53:19 <DorpsGek> Commit by yexo :: r24647 /trunk/src (3 files in 3 dirs) (2012-10-29 19:53:13 UTC) 19:53:20 <DorpsGek> -Feature: add new filter option to the advanced settings window to show only changed settings (Eagle_rainbow) 19:54:34 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:54:59 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host115-94-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:55:08 <Wolf01> helloink 19:55:56 *** Jake is now known as Jake|afk 19:57:11 <Terkhen> hi Wolf01 19:58:08 <NGC3982> Bah, i need help with this again. I don't understand why i can't play a 2048x2048 dedicated server map 19:58:12 <NGC3982> Even localy. 19:58:47 <NGC3982> <50kB/s data, and less packets then your average torrent client. 19:58:58 <NGC3982> Still, "Waiting 15 seconds". 19:59:33 <NGC3982> What was the name on that network setting thingy that "might solve it"? :) 20:00:21 <andythenorth> 'fibre broadband' ? 20:00:23 <andythenorth> :P 20:00:59 <NGC3982> Yes. 20:01:40 <NGC3982> Dedicated server, windows 7, ass-face computer specs, gigabit lan, 100Mbit output, ass-face router. 20:01:44 <NGC3982> And nothing seems wrong, as usual. 20:05:09 <Wolf01> I tell you, it's the game, but shhhhh 20:05:51 <NGC3982> But seriosly, what can i do? 20:06:09 <Wolf01> try reduce the network frame frequency 20:06:16 <Wolf01> or increment it 20:06:22 <Wolf01> I don't remember :D 20:06:32 <NGC3982> Oh, ok 20:06:42 <NGC3982> At least that's googlable. 20:06:53 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-64-63.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 20:08:05 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:08:15 <Wolf01> second google result for "openttd network lag problem" http://wiki.openttd.org/FAQ_multiplayer 20:08:35 <DorpsGek> Commit by yexo :: r24648 trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp (2012-10-29 20:08:30 UTC) 20:08:36 <DorpsGek> -Fix (r24647): svn diff != || 20:08:55 <Yexo> that was not what I wrote... 20:08:59 <Wolf01> ahah 20:09:08 <NGC3982> Wolf01: Yes, how may that site help me? 20:09:29 <NGC3982> I have already been there, and concluded that it does not look like a desync error. 20:09:46 <Wolf01> :( 20:10:01 <frosch123> magic escape chars :) 20:10:32 <NGC3982> I'll try using net_frame_freq 1. 20:10:49 <NGC3982> And 20, since 1 did just make it worse. 20:12:08 <NGC3982> Oh wait. 20:12:13 <NGC3982> It lag's at autosave. 20:12:19 <Wolf01> disable it 20:13:50 <NGC3982> Bah, did not work. 20:16:24 <Wolf01> then, try with smaller maps 20:16:37 <Yexo> crap, even that fix is broken :( 20:17:43 <Yexo> and I committed an old version of the strings :( 20:17:57 <TrueBrain> :( 20:18:01 * TrueBrain sends Yexo a cookie 20:18:35 <__ln__> this would be the end of world if Tron were here. 20:18:37 *** Hyronymus1 [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:19:56 <Wolf01> good old Tron 20:22:54 <DorpsGek> Commit by yexo :: r24649 trunk/src/lang/english.txt (2012-10-29 20:22:48 UTC) 20:22:55 <DorpsGek> -Fix (r24647): wrong version of strings got committed 20:23:23 <DorpsGek> Commit by yexo :: r24650 trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp (2012-10-29 20:23:17 UTC) 20:23:24 <DorpsGek> -Fix (r24647, r24648): fixing logic errors is hard 20:23:26 <TrueBrain> its a good movie! 20:23:42 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-64-63.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 20:23:50 <Yexo> just giving the cf something to do 20:24:01 <TrueBrain> testing to make sure the last bug doesnt happen again 20:24:02 <frosch123> and the translators :) 20:24:02 *** andythenorth [~Andy@31.124.132.148] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:24:03 <TrueBrain> yeah, tnx :D 20:24:20 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:24:29 <frosch123> rb won the race again 20:24:44 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:25:55 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:26:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@31.100.194.242] has joined #openttd 20:43:26 *** Illegal_Alien [~Illegal_A@ipd50adc22.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:08:33 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 21:15:53 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f574a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:17:05 *** Soft [~soft@dyn58-80.yok.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:24:26 *** Soft [~soft@dyn58-80.yok.fi] has joined #openttd 21:25:31 <Zuu> Hmm bananas manager give me a 504 timeout when I try to upload content to it. 21:26:25 <Zuu> Oh, the upload succeded anyway :-) 21:28:35 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.9.229.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 21:29:27 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 21:30:13 <Yexo> the website or musa? 21:30:29 <Rubidium> must be the website 21:30:35 <Rubidium> as musa doesn't have such errors ;) 21:30:36 <Zuu> website 21:30:43 <TrueBrain> I think I forgot a & somewhere 21:30:45 <TrueBrain> will fix :D 21:32:38 <TrueBrain> its the auto-sync that times you out :D 21:32:59 <TrueBrain> but, as present, your upload is now directly available 21:34:36 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-108-17-113-33.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:35:31 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 21:35:50 <Zuu> Yep, I noticed that it was already available when hovering over the dowload link. 21:37:43 <TrueBrain> dont you just love it? :D 21:46:31 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 21:47:27 <Yexo> TrueBrain: in the bananas manager the license of existing content isn't shown 21:47:41 <Yexo> neither on the overview nor on the "edit" page 21:47:51 <Yexo> you can of course still look it up on the general page which lists all content 21:47:59 <TrueBrain> it never did I guess 21:48:11 <TrueBrain> make a bug report I suggest; 21:49:20 <TrueBrain> but I doubt it will ever get fixed tbh; at best someone rewrite BaNaNaS :) 21:49:40 <Yexo> in that case I won't bother 21:49:52 <Yexo> thought it might be an easy fix, but it's not important 21:49:59 <TrueBrain> I mean, you are the first to notice in .... how many years? :D 21:50:27 <TrueBrain> sorry .. if I already have time to fiddle on OpenTTD, it will be on other parts; but feel free to provide me with a patch, I have no problems applying those :) 21:52:54 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-114.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 21:53:08 <Yexo> musa says "error: you are not listed as author for this content" if you don't set the "authors =" field in the config file properly 21:53:15 <Yexo> this is counterintuitive imo 21:53:35 <Yexo> with that error message I'm first looking at the username I just entered, which was correct 21:53:51 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: ^^ 21:54:06 <TrueBrain> or, ofc, provide a patch :D :) 21:55:17 <TrueBrain> (sorry, it is not "onwil", but I am just very short in my free time :() 21:55:33 <Yexo> no problem at all, I'm very happy the tool is here 21:55:49 <Yexo> stuff like this is just minor improvements, I'll indeed write a patch 21:56:17 <TrueBrain> <3 21:56:55 <Yexo> a way to list the files to be uploaded in the ini file would also be nice 22:01:24 <Yexo> hmm, actually that error might have been due to typing "yes i am" instead of "yes I am" 22:01:37 *** dada_ [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: goodbyte] 22:03:07 <andythenorth> bed time 22:03:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@31.100.194.242] has left #openttd [] 22:11:31 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-037-050.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 22:18:05 *** Hyronymus1 [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Hyronymus1] 22:29:33 <Terkhen> good night 22:29:48 <krinn> good night 22:32:43 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:35:49 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.9.229.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:35:59 *** dada_ [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 22:36:10 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.9.229.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 22:42:04 <NGC3982> Uhm 22:42:04 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/ed1b7.png 22:42:09 <NGC3982> Im getting stuck like that. 22:42:41 <NGC3982> When cancelling and restarting (the game), nothing of it seems to have been downloaded, and it happends again. 22:43:49 <Yexo> you're downloading too much 22:43:53 <Yexo> greedy bastard 22:43:59 <NGC3982> ;_; 22:44:46 <NGC3982> xhttp://i.imgur.com/xC7Gs.png 22:44:49 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/xC7Gs.png * 22:44:52 <Yexo> does it happen with all content or just with sailing ships? 22:44:53 <NGC3982> Ok, what's going on. 22:45:06 <Yexo> nvm :) 22:45:45 <NGC3982> What on earth is this 22:45:55 <NGC3982> It just went acid on me 22:46:07 <NGC3982> The light blue window took on the color of that purple bar 22:46:28 <NGC3982> And it's dead frozen 22:46:33 <NGC3982> Like Markks virginity. 22:46:47 *** SomeBacon [SomeBacon@pool-98-118-93-146.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:49:21 <NGC3982> Yexo: What can i do? 22:49:40 <Yexo> not sure 22:49:48 <Yexo> for me it's currently _very_ slow 22:49:52 <Yexo> TrueBrain: any clues? 22:50:14 <TrueBrain> sorry, what? 22:50:22 <NGC3982> Oh, so it might not be my local client? 22:50:33 <Yexo> see NGC3982 screenshots a little up 22:50:57 <TrueBrain> *shrug* 22:51:03 <TrueBrain> there is a _lot_ of validation if filesize matches 22:51:05 <NGC3982> I find it hard to believe that something with the content makes my graphics go bananas (or BaNaNas for the pun wanting). 22:51:09 <TrueBrain> so ... I would have no clue 22:51:23 <NGC3982> Im reinstalling 1.2.2 now 22:51:28 <NGC3982> Let's see what happends. 22:51:31 <TrueBrain> Yexo: that is something for you guys to find and trace :) 22:52:26 <Yexo> something is very off 22:52:32 <Yexo> it's trying to download wrong files 22:52:47 <NGC3982> Yes 22:52:49 <Yexo> I deleted the last version of FISH, but when I try to download it I get some random other piece of content 22:53:01 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/jF7HP.png 22:53:03 <NGC3982> Here, for instance. 22:53:15 <TrueBrain> id of the content? 22:53:39 <NGC3982> Uhm, ID? 22:54:35 <Wolf01> 'night 22:54:38 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host115-94-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:55:11 <Yexo> TrueBrain: 1708 22:57:27 <TrueBrain> ugh, raid was wipe again; right, lets dive in .. euhm .. 22:58:25 <TrueBrain> lolz, that give me an empty reply ... lemme check something 23:00:48 <TrueBrain> ah, that is funny 23:00:52 <TrueBrain> the balancer 'crashed' 23:01:04 <TrueBrain> so it was sending back empty files on ingame requests 23:01:09 <TrueBrain> what I wonder about ... 23:01:12 <TrueBrain> why that goes wrong :p 23:01:20 <TrueBrain> I have no clue what so ever .. smells like a client bug 23:01:22 <TrueBrain> anyway, try it now 23:01:33 <Yexo> yep, fine now 23:01:52 <NGC3982> It works! 23:01:58 <TrueBrain> it is something you might want to check out 23:02:02 <TrueBrain> why if the balancer replies an empty file 23:02:05 <TrueBrain> it starts to do random shit 23:02:08 <TrueBrain> as that sounds very wrong :) 23:02:13 <NGC3982> TrueBrain: Thanks alot. 23:02:28 <TrueBrain> np; bugs in new systems .... so sad! 23:02:52 <TrueBrain> reminder to self: check if IPv6 is working on the balancer .. 23:03:44 <TrueBrain> ah, it is 23:03:45 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-108-38.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:03:45 <TrueBrain> good 23:04:11 <Yexo> as soon as the client starts downloading things it "forgets" the filesize it originally got from the content server 23:04:18 <Yexo> it than download simply as much as it can get 23:04:26 <TrueBrain> but what is it downloading 23:04:30 <TrueBrain> if the balancer tells him an empty file? 23:04:50 <NGC3982> It downloaded something 23:04:54 <NGC3982> A few gigabytes 23:05:11 <TrueBrain> shouldnt it fail, and try ottd_content protocol? 23:05:17 <TrueBrain> it most likely did 23:05:22 <TrueBrain> as I wouldnt know what else it was downloading 23:05:27 <TrueBrain> but then ... why didnt it get the right content? 23:06:08 <Yexo> what did it get told by the server exactly? 23:06:14 <TrueBrain> 0 bytes 23:06:15 <TrueBrain> "" 23:06:17 <Yexo> http://gb.binaries.openttd.org/binaries/bananas/ for example isn't "empty" 23:06:17 <TrueBrain> empty page 23:06:20 <Yexo> ok 23:06:20 <TrueBrain> nada 23:06:24 <TrueBrain> void 23:06:25 <TrueBrain> :D 23:06:33 <TrueBrain> the POST is special 23:06:35 <TrueBrain> very special 23:06:43 <TrueBrain> an OpenTTD client does a POST to /bananas 23:06:51 <TrueBrain> the post data contains lines of ids 23:06:55 <TrueBrain> each matching with content 23:06:56 <NGC3982> But, what on earth did i download? 23:07:01 <TrueBrain> for each the balancer can find a match 23:07:10 <TrueBrain> it replies with a mirror (or tells it to use ottd_content) 23:07:16 <NGC3982> My router told me i downloaded 4,4GB of data. 23:07:22 <TrueBrain> but .. if the client sends an invalid id, it just ignores it 23:07:31 * Pinkbeast made a discovery recently and feels that UKRS2 doesn't really sufficiently model the tendency of the Merchant Navies to catch ON FIRE 23:07:32 <TrueBrain> and in this case, it just replied nothing at all 23:09:45 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-29-26.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:17:44 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:52:11 <Flygon> Pinkbeast: Contact the authors and see what can be done about it 23:52:13 <Flygon> :B 23:57:59 <Flygon> The idea actually makes sense