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<andythenorth> via cargos/__init__.py 08:18:34 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 08:33:42 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:54:39 <Terkhen> good morning 09:01:31 <peter1138> hmm, my cpu cores keep switching between 6x and 9x multiplier 09:01:37 <peter1138> and power saving is, in theory, turned off 09:15:34 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 09:15:37 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 09:16:47 <planetmaker> good morning 09:17:05 <andythenorth> hmm 09:17:19 <andythenorth> I could import these industry and cargo classes into a WSGI app 09:18:13 <andythenorth> "Economy Maker" 09:19:00 <andythenorth> Alberth: I fixed most of last night's madness :) 09:19:04 <andythenorth> there's a bit of auto-magic 09:20:14 <Alberth> moin andythenorth, planetmaker 09:21:26 <planetmaker> :-) 09:21:46 <Terkhen> hi guys :P 09:21:53 <Alberth> o/ 09:22:29 <Flygon> Evening 09:22:30 <andythenorth> everyone's here 09:22:35 <andythenorth> shall we put the band back together? :P 09:25:02 <andythenorth> is it worth cleaning up FIRS repo structure? 09:25:06 <andythenorth> some of the names are a bit wrong 09:25:15 <andythenorth> e.g. 'sprites/' instead of 'src/' 09:26:46 <planetmaker> a simple hg mv should do the trick. the makefile would need telling about it, though 09:27:25 <andythenorth> is it worth it? 09:27:31 <andythenorth> I like tidiness :) 09:27:46 <V453000> order for the weak! :P 09:28:02 <planetmaker> Makefile.config:12 is the line 09:30:23 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-109-236.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 09:30:23 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-109-236.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:30:43 <Alberth> I never understood the "sprites" directory for storing source code 09:31:13 <planetmaker> legacy, Alberth 09:31:18 <andythenorth> grfcodec 09:31:20 <planetmaker> grfcodec -d file.grf 09:31:20 <andythenorth> hmm 09:31:30 <andythenorth> turns out there are a few uses of 'sprites' in the python code 09:31:36 <Alberth> grfcodec is soo 90's man :p 09:31:38 <andythenorth> it should probably get some var from makefile 09:31:42 <andythenorth> for path 09:31:43 <andythenorth> but meh 09:32:10 <Alberth> planetmaker: yeah, I consider grfcodec seriously broken in that respect 09:32:43 <planetmaker> so grfcodec should de-compile to src instead of sprites? 09:33:37 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 09:33:48 <Alberth> it should give me the choice of where I want to put things, instead of forcing "sprites/*" 09:34:01 <Alberth> moin Zuu 09:34:09 <planetmaker> hi zuu 09:34:28 <Zuu> Hello 09:34:42 *** zelda [5866ed02@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:36:04 *** TheDude [~TheDude@cez-isp.ceznet.cz] has quit [Quit: Bye irc.oftc.net 6667] 09:36:19 * andythenorth has made the src/ change 09:37:40 <planetmaker> I changed it for OpenGFX like 12 months ago or so. It works... but needs care with paths so that building and relative inclusion doesn't break 09:37:50 <andythenorth> compiles here 09:37:55 <andythenorth> let's see if bundles breaks 09:41:36 <planetmaker> doesn't break 09:47:41 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:47:54 *** zelda [5866ed02@ircip3.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 09:48:56 *** Progman [~progman@p57A199B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 09:59:00 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host217-43-119-167.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:01:12 <LordAro> mornings 10:03:09 <Terkhen> hi Zuu and LordAro 10:03:26 <Zuu> Hello Terkhen 10:03:37 <Zuu> and LordAro :-) 10:03:55 <LordAro> hey Zuu and Terkhen :-) 10:16:39 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-96-65.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 10:21:55 *** KingPixaIII [~pixa@79-68-98-255.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 10:22:25 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-109-236.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:27:40 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-96-65.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:31:28 * LordAro is unhappy with his distro again... 10:31:39 <LordAro> what distros do you chaps run? 10:31:47 * andythenorth runs the stupid one 10:32:00 * Rubidium runs the toy one 10:32:37 * Zuu run debian but only without X 10:32:44 <andythenorth> the fun part for andythenorth is, having no choice eliminates any possibility of having to spend time choosing 10:32:56 <LordAro> gonna need some real names :P (apart from andy, that's obvious :P) 10:33:49 * Eddi|zuHause runs the german one 10:34:08 <andythenorth> run windows 10:34:19 <andythenorth> make your life easier 10:34:44 <Eddi|zuHause> http://i.imgur.com/6QJOe.jpg 10:35:23 <LordAro> ^ top gear ftw :) 10:36:02 <Eddi|zuHause> it's actually stupid, because it's only like 500km 10:36:29 <peter1138> yeah that's not that far 10:36:32 <LordAro> shh! 10:36:42 <andythenorth> hmm 10:36:49 <andythenorth> political correctness ftw 10:36:52 <peter1138> unless they're saying the car's a tank 10:37:43 <peter1138> guess it's a war 'joke' 10:38:03 <Eddi|zuHause> that's pretty fair to assume :) 10:38:31 <andythenorth> visit stalingrad; it's lovely in winter 10:40:39 <Eddi|zuHause> the worst one i know: "My grandfather died in Auschwitz!" ... "He tripped and fell from the guard tower!" 10:42:58 <LordAro> it's surprisingly awkward when Germans make War jokes... :L 10:47:04 <LordAro> nifty little picture: http://blog.admin-linux.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/infographic_debian_history-en-v081.png 10:51:07 <Flygon> When an Australian makes a war joke, nothing special happens 10:53:31 <Flygon> I can think of no good war jokes 10:53:42 <Flygon> I can kill IRC channels, however :B 10:56:52 <LordAro> :P 10:58:52 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe542.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:00:28 <NGC3982> LordAro: Seriosly, they named it after Toy Story characters? 11:00:40 <LordAro> apparently :) 11:01:15 <NGC3982> How fun. 11:01:16 <NGC3982> :D 11:01:28 <Rubidium> only for the last like two decades 11:01:36 <peter1138> thought everyone knew that 11:02:08 <LordAro> Debian really is ancient 11:02:30 <Rubidium> s/ancient/well matured/ 11:03:00 <Rubidium> or... so bleeding edge that it has patches for years that gcc hasn't accepted yet 11:03:06 <NGC3982> Peter: I rarely use Linux at all. 11:03:10 <NGC3982> Oh wait 11:03:25 <planetmaker> Rubidium, how that? 11:03:25 <NGC3982> Yes, what i said 11:03:34 <NGC3982> BSD != Linux, right? 11:03:52 <Rubidium> Linux is only a the kernel 11:04:12 <NGC3982> I was for a long time under the impression that BSD was a distro, like Ubuntu or Fedora or something. 11:04:24 <Rubidium> planetmaker: multiarch; installing multiple architectures of the same package and (basically) natively cross-compiling 11:04:45 <Rubidium> NGC3982: for Debian you can choose for a Linux, BSD or Hurd kernel 11:05:04 <planetmaker> ah, interesting. thanks 11:05:14 <NGC3982> Rubidium: Ooh. 11:05:22 <NGC3982> Rubidium: I need to learn the correct terminology. 11:05:34 <NGC3982> I only use Linux when i IRC (on the shell). 11:06:11 <planetmaker> BSD â© OSX != â 11:06:21 <NGC3982> Watz. 11:06:48 <Rubidium> planetmaker: I'd argue if you replace OSX with Windows it still holds 11:06:59 <planetmaker> I'll not argue against ;-) 11:07:21 <planetmaker> I don't expect an empty set with linux either 11:12:53 <Ammler> LordAro: which distro do you use now and why are you unhappy with? 11:13:12 <NGC3982> By the way 11:13:24 <NGC3982> My girlfriend works in the train business, here in Sweden. 11:13:56 <NGC3982> One of the new drivers had just started working after his year long education 11:14:14 <NGC3982> And yesterday, hit a suicide candidate after two weeks at work 11:14:20 <NGC3982> And cannot work again for six months. 11:14:22 <NGC3982> .. 11:15:26 <Ammler> LordAro: instead switching to another, you could also help to improve the current 11:20:12 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 11:26:12 <xand> is there a way to tell buses to not avoid (by detouring) stations that aren't on their Orders list? 11:26:27 <xand> other than specifically telling them to go there 11:27:23 <planetmaker> that's difficult, if there are other ways which have a lower pathfinder cost 11:27:40 <planetmaker> but if you know they should visit station XY, you could as well tell them, no? 11:28:16 <xand> going through the station is the most direct route... and given vehicle can have "implicit" orders I wonder why it avoids the stations to take a longer route? 11:28:44 <planetmaker> xand, but stations themselves as other vehicles are a penalty in the route 11:28:59 <planetmaker> (stations can be blocked. other vehicles are blocks) 11:29:29 <xand> it needs a GPS system to know where the other vehicles are ;) 11:29:42 <planetmaker> they do know ;-) 11:30:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A199B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:30:32 <xand> then it should know there's no blockage 11:30:53 <xand> I guess it's not easy 11:31:34 <planetmaker> station itself is a penalty. As going through could mean blocking other vehicles who want to go there ;-) 11:32:02 <Zuu> xand: Do you have 'go-non-stop to' orders? 11:32:11 <xand> no 11:32:20 <xand> planetmaker: I see 11:32:38 <xand> Zuu: they stop there if it's the only route, but otherwise drive round 11:32:48 <LordAro> Ammler: Linux Mint Debian Edition, not updated quick enough, and no, takes too much effort :P 11:32:51 <Zuu> If the other path is just one other way, you could put a extra stop there and using go-non-stop to avoid it stopping at any of the stations that it pass by. 11:33:21 <Zuu> Eg. by penaltizing both ways equal 11:33:47 <xand> hmm 11:35:04 <Zuu> If there are two options and one have an unwanted penalty that you can't remove, you can add an equal penalty to the other option. Just make sure there isn't a third or fourth option that traffic will spill over to. 11:36:47 <xand> I could do that but I don't like the idea of unused stations ;) 11:36:55 <xand> I think I'll stick to building mostly trams :D 11:44:15 <planetmaker> or order it to visit the station or go via the station 11:45:04 <Ammler> LordAro: then that sounds like you should use a bleeding edge distro... 11:47:15 *** kero [~keikoz@1.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 11:48:09 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 11:48:47 <LordAro> Ammler: i did run debian unstable for a while, but i got bored without a graphics driver for about a month, so i switched to this :L 11:53:42 <LordAro> i thought perhaps going back to ubuntu, but xubuntu to avoid unity 11:57:05 <planetmaker> *without* graphics driver? 11:57:15 <kero> hi peoples 11:58:51 <Ammler> maybe you should try a rpm distro :-) 11:59:21 <LordAro> planetmaker: fglrx had dependency issues 12:00:09 <planetmaker> maybe you should use rather testing than unstable ;-) 12:00:26 <LordAro> testing is old :P 12:01:17 <kero> Try Archlinux. It's cool. 12:06:10 <LordAro> i recently installed arch on my raspberry pi, seems fun 12:06:12 <LordAro> i might :L 12:07:39 <Ammler> except that is is a stupid name 12:07:54 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d086de6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:08:27 <kero> Actually, I like it better as "ubuntu", or "fedora" :) 12:08:58 <kero> but the real cool thing, is that it's a rolling release 12:09:32 <kero> no big version jumps 12:10:14 <kero> (speaking of which, I just noticed that version 1.2.3 of openttd just arrived in repositories) 12:11:31 *** KritiK [~Maxim@128-69-49-191.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 12:12:21 <LordAro> except i'm going to have to relearn how to install stuff (apt-get -> pacman) 12:13:12 <Flygon> I'm the lamest person here, I go "New Task", 'explorer.exe' :B 12:13:36 * andythenorth types 'macports blah' 12:14:01 <andythenorth> and is then somewhere between rage and disappointment 12:15:00 * NGC3982 ports Andy to OSX 12:16:36 <planetmaker> why porting him? 12:19:05 <NGC3982> We coulnd't find a cartridge suitable for the SNES. 12:19:10 <kero> planetmaker : have you seen the patch I posted ? 12:19:23 <andythenorth> hmm 12:19:35 <andythenorth> can we make a mariokart grf? 12:19:46 <Flygon> I'd rather a Mega Drive 12:20:41 <Flygon> Easier to use it's VDP as a psudo-framebuffer, and audio in/out lines on the cart slot :B 12:21:11 <andythenorth> I didn't mean reimplement the entire console on the map 12:21:28 <andythenorth> ;) 12:21:35 <andythenorth> which might be possible :P 12:23:44 <planetmaker> hm, where, kero ? 12:24:06 <planetmaker> oh, there 12:24:12 <kero> planetmaker : http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/4507 12:33:06 <LordAro> hmm. arch install seems a bit complicated... 12:33:59 <kero> it depends 12:34:22 <kero> it's easy if your experienced in linux. Otherwise, It's not the better solution 12:38:29 <LordAro> been using linux for about 2 years now 12:39:02 <LordAro> seems reasonable enough, but i think i'd like to print off the 'installation guide' wiki page :L 12:42:56 *** roadt [~roadt@223.240.111.189] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:47:13 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:52:12 *** roadt [~roadt@223.240.96.139] has joined #openttd 12:55:14 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 12:55:50 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable105.141-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 12:55:59 <drac_boy> hi 12:59:05 * drac_boy pokes flygon with a broken valve handle 12:59:26 <andythenorth> #train_talk ? 12:59:51 <Flygon> andy is getting preemptive 13:00:03 * Flygon pokes drac_boy with YouTube 13:00:04 * drac_boy pokes andythenorth with a little 20x4 pixels locomotive 13:00:06 <Flygon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJiriVt-uYM :B 13:02:00 <drac_boy> how're you flygon? 13:02:08 <Flygon> Decent 13:07:02 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:b503:66a6:5599:b21b] has joined #openttd 13:07:05 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 13:13:23 *** Jake [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:54:47 *** K4T [~nima@achk45.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 13:54:55 <K4T> hello 13:55:30 <K4T> im here to say thank you for developers :P 13:56:02 <K4T> ok, can idle now :P 13:56:59 <andythenorth> :) 14:06:40 <planetmaker> :-) 14:13:11 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 14:13:53 <andythenorth> Alberth: this is stupidest code ever http://paste.openttdcoop.org/raw/1884/ 14:14:07 <andythenorth> is there a better way to get an index number from the iterator? 14:14:54 <andythenorth> I could do this trivially in chameleon, but it seems overkill for the size of the result :P 14:14:58 <Alberth> for i, x in enumerate(list) 14:15:12 <andythenorth> winner 14:15:36 <andythenorth> thanks 14:15:50 <Alberth> if self.economy_variations[economy].disabled == False: <-- if not self.economy_variations[economy].disabled: 14:16:11 <andythenorth> seen the obvious logical flaw in my loop? 14:16:38 <andythenorth> what's max number of items will ever be in enabled_economies list? 14:17:12 <andythenorth> :P 14:17:56 <Alberth> not really, but I am glad you spotted it :) 14:20:12 *** Jake [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:20:40 *** Jake [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:21:53 <Yexo> andythenorth: ' || '.join(['economy==' + str(count) for count,economy in global_constants.economies if not economy.disabled]) 14:21:57 <Yexo> untested though 14:22:11 <andythenorth> one line python game :) 14:22:15 <Yexo> and should be "enumerate(global_constants.economies)" isntead of "global_constants.economies" 14:22:57 <andythenorth> patch? :) 14:23:02 * andythenorth is changing nappies :P 14:23:33 <Yexo> nah, your current code is easier to read 14:23:45 <andythenorth> that's problem with map 14:34:41 *** Jake [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:34:46 *** Jake_ [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:34:50 *** Jake_ is now known as Jake 14:43:26 *** Jake [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:43:35 *** Jake_ [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:43:41 *** Jake_ is now known as Jake 14:53:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i prefer map(., .) over [ . for . ] 14:57:41 *** DanMacK [~AndChat61@74.198.9.134] has joined #openttd 15:06:27 *** MinchinWeb_ [~MinchinWe@S01066431505f320b.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 15:07:05 *** MinchinWeb_ [~MinchinWe@S01066431505f320b.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [] 15:11:31 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-002-176.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 15:18:21 <LordAro> that's where i was going wrong - i was trying to install the base files onto the .iso, rather than the virtualbox machine :L 15:20:05 <xaroth> Eddi|zuHause: map vs for both have their uses 15:20:28 <xaroth> [x.func() for x in y] should always be used over map(cls.func, y) 15:20:42 <xaroth> also, map() will behave differently between python 2 and 3 15:20:52 <xaroth> in python 3 it returns a generator 15:21:58 <xaroth> you use map to apply a function to all items of the array, else, for is the recommended wayt to go 15:22:18 *** DanMacK [~AndChat61@74.198.9.134] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22:21 <xaroth> so Yexo's line was accurate 15:25:23 <andythenorth> meh 15:25:31 <andythenorth> should I bother writing a validator for FIRS economies? 15:25:59 <andythenorth> i.e. check that industries have all required cargos (or at least one cargo where cargos are optional) 15:26:09 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable105.141-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 15:26:14 <xaroth> could be useful 15:26:15 <andythenorth> sounds like a fun challenge...for someone else o_O 15:27:56 <andythenorth> it's probably some kind of link graph 15:28:23 <andythenorth> any node with no links is a problem 15:29:07 <Eddi|zuHause> depends on what you want to validate 15:29:45 <Eddi|zuHause> you could autogenerate industry graphs :) 15:29:56 <andythenorth> want to try? 15:30:04 <Eddi|zuHause> probably not :) 15:30:07 <andythenorth> I have all objects sanely in scope now 15:30:45 <Eddi|zuHause> every time i try graphviz i get annoyed because i don't have enough direct control 15:30:50 <andythenorth> or I could just rely on playtesters :) 15:31:08 <Eddi|zuHause> i vaguely remember already doing a graph for some early FIRS version 15:31:11 <andythenorth> hmm generating cargo charts from source is now possible, didn't think of that :) 15:31:39 <Eddi|zuHause> back then i had to parse the html page or something 15:33:07 <andythenorth> yeah 15:33:14 <andythenorth> I'm going to auto-generate docs 15:33:21 <andythenorth> charts...not me :) 15:33:25 <andythenorth> hmm 15:33:27 <andythenorth> PIL 15:33:59 <andythenorth> ${someone} should implement a FIRS economy 15:34:01 <andythenorth> all the hooks are there 15:34:24 <andythenorth> then we could play a game with it using the new version of NoCarGoal 15:35:33 <Rubidium> andythenorth: use dot 15:36:22 <xaroth> ^ that. 15:37:09 <Rubidium> that at least draws a graph for you ;) 15:37:41 *** Jake [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:40:27 <planetmaker> a bientot 15:40:52 <Rubidium> bye planetmaker 15:44:11 <Eddi|zuHause> that misses a few accents 15:49:19 <V453000> that is why I prefer "hi bitches" 15:51:07 <Rubidium> interesting way to say "good bye" 15:58:05 <K4T> how can I check if town is metropolis? 15:59:09 <Zuu> Ask in or check the thread for the GS that you run. 15:59:26 <Zuu> Unless you mean that you want to know if a town is 'city' 16:00:06 <Zuu> Or look in the GS readme 16:00:36 <Zuu> Or at the bottom of the town window. GSs can attach a message there if they want. 16:00:47 <K4T> GS? 16:00:54 <Zuu> Game Script 16:01:07 <Zuu> 'metropolis' is not a state of a town in standard OpenTTD 16:01:18 <Zuu> So I assumed you were running eg. City Builder. 16:01:50 <K4T> im playing standard OTTD 16:02:40 <Zuu> Standard OpenTTD can load Game Scripts. However, if you don't have any GS loaded, the only property I can think of is if it is 'city' or not. 16:03:09 <Zuu> IIRC cities have their name capitalized in some place in the GUI while non-city towns dont. 16:05:06 <Zuu> Just checked and couldn't find this capitalized thingy. But in the title bar of the town window there is a extra lable saying City attached to the town name. 16:05:23 <Zuu> So check the title bar of the town window of a town to check if it is 'city' or not. 16:05:31 <K4T> I wanna be sure that town which I choose to develop can be city later in my game 16:05:35 <K4T> to grow faster etc 16:05:54 <K4T> ow, thanks 16:06:06 <LordAro> Zuu/KT4: Cities are defined by their townname in the town information window being "<townname> (City)" 16:06:13 <LordAro> yeah, that :L 16:06:30 <Zuu> LordAro: Exactly, just that paranthesis lock my control key so I avoid them until I restart my computer. 16:06:42 <LordAro> lol? 16:06:42 <Zuu> .p 16:07:10 <Zuu> Some Windows-issue 16:07:48 <LordAro> how odd :L 16:07:55 <LordAro> not sticky keys, i assume? 16:12:51 *** mkv` [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:14:20 <Zuu> It occurs if I type a char that requires AltGr, then Ctrl get locked until I cycle keyboard layouts to unstick it. Or better reboot to get away with the issue until some weeks or months later. 16:18:23 *** Progman [~progman@p57A199B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:21:47 *** Markavian [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:25:30 <andythenorth> not sure of best place to keep docs templates / src 16:25:45 <andythenorth> FISH has them in the /docs dir, which is frequently confusing 16:26:04 <andythenorth> src/docs_templates? 16:29:29 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:34:39 <Eddi|zuHause> src/doc_templates? 16:34:40 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35:38 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 16:36:15 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 16:41:02 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-178-000-096-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 16:53:47 <andythenorth> python step is gettign slow 16:53:50 <andythenorth> need it to be faster :P 16:55:03 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe CETS' python step is so fast becaause i don't deal in objects? 16:55:30 <Eddi|zuHause> or because almost all steps are O(n) in the length of the tracking table? 16:58:05 <andythenorth> I should turn off the IO and see if it makes a difference 17:06:54 <andythenorth> meh, it's the templating 17:06:59 <andythenorth> it's about 7s 17:08:49 <andythenorth> probably just the IO on opening files 17:12:18 *** roland [~roland@91-115-40-210.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #openttd 17:12:46 <andythenorth> some industries are opening 4 or 5 template files 17:12:52 *** roland is now known as Guest4485 17:13:01 <andythenorth> and they're being opened by each module 17:13:12 <andythenorth> so there's IO every time 17:17:00 *** Guest4356 [~roland@93-82-54-228.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:17:25 <Eddi|zuHause> but the files should be cached? 17:17:47 <andythenorth> not sure 17:18:01 <andythenorth> they should be, chameleon is usually good at this 17:18:19 <andythenorth> it's not writing the files that's slow 17:18:37 <andythenorth> I doubt that optimising it is going to lead to a net time-saving :) 17:18:54 <andythenorth> it's annoying to wait 5s, but I think it will take me a couple of hours to improve :P 17:19:19 <andythenorth> @calc (2 * 60*60) / 5 17:19:19 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 1440 17:21:34 <andythenorth> auto docs (ugly) http://paste.openttdcoop.org/raw/1885/ 17:22:40 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-178-000-096-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:22:52 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-178-000-096-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 17:31:58 <Eddi|zuHause> it's backwards 17:32:10 <andythenorth> yup 17:32:20 <andythenorth> dicts don't return sensibly :) 17:32:25 * andythenorth fixes that 17:33:00 <Eddi|zuHause> dict.items().sorted() 17:33:10 <Eddi|zuHause> or whatever 17:33:26 <andythenorth> I was using iteritems(), can I sort that? 17:33:30 <Eddi|zuHause> the slowest thing about CETS' python step is sorting the engine list 17:34:03 <andythenorth> sorting sorted 17:34:43 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-178-000-096-112.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:34:51 <andythenorth> if anyone wants to give me a schema for an economy I'll try implementing it 17:35:13 <andythenorth> within reason, I'll include any economy that's coherent 17:40:44 *** mrdaft [~mrdaft@75.114.201.249] has joined #openttd 17:45:55 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-74-225-200.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 17:51:43 *** KingPixaIII [~pixa@79-68-98-255.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:52:22 *** mrdaft [~mrdaft@75.114.201.249] has quit [Quit: left.] 17:56:45 * andythenorth attempts a basic economy 18:01:12 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@62-241-226-131.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:01:54 <Kitty> 40 18:22:29 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:45:29 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24662 /trunk/src/lang (3 files) (2012-11-04 18:45:20 UTC) 18:45:30 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:31 <DorpsGek> croatian - 9 changes by VoyagerOne 18:45:32 <DorpsGek> german - 6 changes by planetmaker 18:45:33 <DorpsGek> spanish - 6 changes by Terkhen 18:56:52 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CE8F.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:02:35 <Sacro> http://i.imgur.com/UoL0Y.jpg 19:02:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6DC7F.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:03:10 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:05:41 *** DanMacK [~AndChat61@74.198.9.167] has joined #openttd 19:06:03 <LordAro> old :P 19:06:50 <DanMacK> Hey all 19:07:00 <Sacro> sup 19:12:03 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:22:29 <andythenorth> meh 19:22:34 <andythenorth> action 14 caching :P 19:22:40 <andythenorth> even across 'rescan grfs' :) 19:22:59 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:23:13 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.77.170] has joined #openttd 19:26:02 *** CJS7070 [uid7867@id-7867.hampstead.irccloud.com] has joined #openttd 19:27:33 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-74-225-200.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:29:46 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 19:31:33 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-101-40.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:33:26 <andythenorth> 'FIRS' and a test 'Basic' economy http://paste.openttdcoop.org/raw/1887/ 19:34:08 <andythenorth> and a version to test with http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/r3174/ 19:35:00 <andythenorth> clay pit could probably go, as could paper mill and brickworks 19:35:08 <andythenorth> and there's only one farm and one farm cargo 19:36:16 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.77.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:37:05 <andythenorth> anyway, don't all shout at once 19:38:49 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-123-71.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 19:39:08 <Eddi|zuHause> whoever put a "SBB RABe 512" into the CETS tracking table, i can't find any evidence of such a vehicle ever existing... i'll take it out... 19:39:42 <andythenorth> is CETS done yet :) 19:39:56 <Eddi|zuHause> not really 19:40:20 <Eddi|zuHause> i wanted to turn the green boxes into coloured boxes before making an alpha release 19:40:25 <andythenorth> I know the feeling :) 19:40:26 <Eddi|zuHause> but i haven't gotten around to it 19:40:52 <andythenorth> that too 19:41:14 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: might it be the 521? 19:41:26 <andythenorth> MP NoCarGoal with FIRS Basic economy? 19:41:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: there's a separate entry for 521-524 19:41:42 <Rubidium> 514? 19:41:51 <Eddi|zuHause> that's older, and exists as well 19:44:40 <Rubidium> mystery train; 511? Otherwise I guess you're right there isn't much proof of it 19:44:55 <Rubidium> though I've seen some mentions of it, just nothing really concrete 19:45:51 <Rubidium> e.g. it is in the table at http://www.photosrail.ch/sbbcffffs/rabe511/sommairesbbcffffsrabe511.php but... it's not linked 19:53:24 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 19:57:03 *** Jake [~chatzilla@host31-51-108-249.range31-51.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:57:39 *** mrdaft [~mrdaft@75.114.201.249] has joined #openttd 19:58:32 *** DanMacK [~AndChat61@74.198.9.167] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:06:55 <michi_cc> Eddi|zuHause: Last photo on http://www.wittigbahn.ch/eisenbahnseite/vorbild/fahrzeuge/mofahrzeuge/motriebwagen/motriebwagen.htm 20:06:58 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 20:07:58 *** DanMacK [~AndChat61@CPE602ad091690d-CM602ad091690a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 20:08:23 <Rubidium> hmm, might the 511-514 range be equivalent to the 521-524 range? 20:08:39 <michi_cc> There's no proper type label visible though, so a 512 might be the same type as a 511 20:09:33 *** BtbN [~btbn@btbn.de] has quit [Quit: Bye] 20:11:42 *** BtbN [~btbn@btbn.de] has joined #openttd 20:11:52 <michi_cc> Hmm, can't be either, Wikipedia says RABe 511 are bilevel units, and the photo is definitely not a bilevel unit. 20:18:53 <Rubidium> but the 511 on that photo page aren't bilevel either 20:20:42 <__ln__> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrDDn8ZY9wk F1 20:22:30 <Sacro> argj s[ppoilers 20:24:22 <__ln__> every F1 car has a spoiler 20:25:49 *** mrdaft [~mrdaft@75.114.201.249] has quit [Quit: left.] 20:26:08 <michi_cc> Rubidium: Do you know if there were any MediaWiki, LDAP or similar updates on the server in the last months? It seems the wiki login for usernames with a _ that TB fixed once somehow got unfixed. 20:27:38 <Rubidium> michi_cc: I'm not aware of any, though that doesn't prove or disprove it having happened 20:28:40 <Eddi|zuHause> michi_cc: the 511 and 512 on this page are vehicle numbers, not vehicle class numbers 20:29:03 <Eddi|zuHause> so it's a RABe xxx-511 and RABe xxx-512 20:29:16 <Eddi|zuHause> where xxx is ommitted because the railway has only one type 20:29:43 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 20:30:04 <Eddi|zuHause> "or something" :p 20:33:14 <__ln__> *omitted 20:48:48 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:54:24 <planetmaker> good evening 20:54:47 <andythenorth> lo planetmaker 20:56:48 *** KritiK [~Maxim@128-69-49-191.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:58:05 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 21:08:24 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest4503 21:08:26 *** andythenorth [~Andy@31.120.37.62] has joined #openttd 21:11:14 *** tparker [~tparker@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:42ad] has quit [Quit: brb] 21:12:31 *** tparker [~tparker@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:42ad] has joined #openttd 21:15:15 *** Guest4503 [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:21:47 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-138-119-145.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:24:13 *** Jake is now known as Jake|afk 21:24:55 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host115-94-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 21:25:01 <Wolf01> hello :D 21:25:53 <__ln__> what's so funny?!? 21:27:27 <Wolf01> me 21:29:09 <planetmaker> hello Wolf01 21:29:30 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable105.141-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 21:29:53 <drac_boy> hi 21:30:43 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 21:33:21 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 21:34:24 *** K4T [~nima@achk45.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [] 21:35:30 *** roadt [~roadt@223.240.96.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:36:14 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Hyronymus] 21:46:54 <andythenorth> bed 21:46:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@31.120.37.62] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:04:26 *** Progman [~progman@p57A199B6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:01 *** argoneus [~argoneus@ip-78-102-118-47.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:16:28 <planetmaker> good night 22:20:38 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:22:32 <Wolf01> 'night all 22:22:35 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host115-94-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:22:48 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 22:24:57 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@62-241-226-131.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:25:38 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@62-241-226-131.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 22:35:52 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:38:27 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable105.141-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 22:40:09 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 22:41:08 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-138-119-145.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0/20121031065642]] 22:53:46 <Terkhen> good night 22:57:11 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.96.81.170] has joined #openttd 23:01:43 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:07:26 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-18-46.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:08:02 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host217-43-119-167.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:12:49 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@62-241-226-131.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 23:13:12 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-48-219.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:14:16 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:34:55 *** TyrHeimdal [~TyrHeimda@193.142.100.177] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:42:36 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:46:18 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@79-68-101-40.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 23:46:19 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-101-40.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]