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00:01:42 <drac_boy> http://www.columbusrailroads.com/photogallery-2/k-don-151-PRR-CLMB.jpg notice the tender? its got a sloped back 00:02:14 <Supercheese> Those tenders remind me of some in NARS 00:02:16 <drac_boy> that was for visibility considering it was a yard engine so the limited water supply was not a concern .. easy to stand up in cab and well pretty much see behind locomotive as it eases up to a cut of wagons 00:03:03 <drac_boy> in some cases there was only like maybe 11,000 litres of water ..a small amount which wasn't any concern as the water tower was only a few minutes away all the times anyway 00:03:47 <drac_boy> suprcheese of course one of these particular locomotive had to make an unusual rescue once.... 00:05:13 <drac_boy> gasoline rpo (mail0 coach would not even start up one freezing morning due to iced up radiator fins ..what to do? of course phone the nearby yard and ask the yard goat to haul it onward ... 00:06:07 <drac_boy> took several minutes to resupply its tender then the train went off limited to only 25mph due to the risk of the bucking snow derailing it ... and had to make several long stops for water .. then the last bit of the story was... 00:06:49 <drac_boy> train finally reached the final station which was a major terminal and instead of the scheduled mail platform it simply took the firstmost platform to make it easier to holster the locomotive away 00:07:05 <Supercheese> Blocked the express or some such? 00:07:26 <drac_boy> and the next day the scheduled return was provided by a more proper steam locomotive with two rpo coaches instead .. considering the powered coach was not likely in any shape to run 00:07:58 <drac_boy> supercheese it was a quiet single-track branchline so there was nothing to delay...except for stationmasters having to be told that the train was going to be very late 00:08:36 <drac_boy> still..to call up a yard goat to take such a knackered train onward in a blizzard was some last-minute thinking ;) 00:08:55 <Supercheese> well, couldn't just leave it stranded there 00:09:28 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:09:30 <drac_boy> supercheese its not quite same thing but I recall another kind of story that was related to bad coals.... 00:10:33 <drac_boy> doublehead train leave yard but soon it was apparent the coals they had were almost no different than the ballast used for the track (thats a OUCH there!) .... after an uneven slow running they finally reached an operator's station and phoned the dispatcher for further instructions.... 00:11:23 <drac_boy> turned out another train had already stalled on the hill ahead but was being aided by a helper so .. plan then was that if this train did stall on the hill too they'll lit their red fuse and that'll be the signal for the returning helpers to tie onto the train and help it as well ... 00:12:25 <drac_boy> and off they went ... sure enough .. as expected .. all that dirty black smoke did nothing but bring the train to a stall....red fuses go out .... and while waiting for the helper they dumped all the ash out and tried to rebuild a better fire 00:13:01 <drac_boy> train made it into the next yard without much problem afterward .. but yeah lets say that the article writer said that when he went to the bathroom to look in the mirror the only thing not black were circles around his eyes! 00:13:13 <drac_boy> talk about really bad coal :) 00:17:46 <drac_boy> supercheese at least water problems were almost nonexisting, usually only related to too much foaming (from too much pH chemicals or so in the rocking tender) or from balky injector(s) 00:18:18 <drac_boy> all the foaming could play a bit of havock with the water sighting glasses pretty much :-s 00:18:38 <Supercheese> I should ask the folks north of here if I can get an engineer's tour of their 2-6-2 Prairie 00:18:51 <Supercheese> I think it's converted to waste-oil-fired 00:19:23 <drac_boy> hmm I've never seen many of them but 2-6-2 isn't bad arrangement tbh 00:19:46 <drac_boy> although on tank locomotives it did make more sense..always having a guide axle in either directions 00:19:48 <Supercheese> Looks a lot like http://users.tt-forums.net/pikka/wiki/index.php?title=2-6-2_Prairie 00:20:34 <drac_boy> tank locomotives for commuter services were almost always something out of eg 2-6-2T, 2-8-4T, etc anyway 00:21:26 <drac_boy> mind you some railroads had big tank locomotives for particular reasons 00:21:59 <drac_boy> like how about a 2-10-4T with rather small tires that it looked like it was literally flying.....at only 40km/h? :P 00:22:08 <drac_boy> had a lot of tractive tho 00:22:28 <Supercheese> Oh wait, forgot the one north of here is narrow gauge 00:22:31 <Supercheese> http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/Locopicture.aspx?id=157815 00:23:32 <drac_boy> and supercheese here's one mallet tank of a good size :P http://www.lctm.info/Secciones/LocoMes/L017_BR96/Real/Ima07.jpg 00:23:47 <drac_boy> thats a DRG 96 (originally bavarian as usual) 00:23:56 <Supercheese> Compound tank engine? 00:24:00 *** Progman [~progman@87.161.149.251] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:24:22 <drac_boy> don't recall..just kinda know the name and it being german thats about it 00:24:36 <drac_boy> still it shows that tank were not always small indeed 00:25:06 <Supercheese> Yep 00:25:10 <Supercheese> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRG_Class_96 00:25:27 <Supercheese> must have had beastly tractive effort 00:26:53 <Supercheese> "it could manage an incline of 25Ⱐat 25 km/h hauling 465 tons" dang. 00:27:03 <Supercheese> unaided? 00:28:03 <Supercheese> seems likely 00:28:14 <drac_boy> 25km/h and 465 tons .. that sounds a lot too alike to N&W Y6b there :) 00:28:40 <drac_boy> but mind you the Y6b had to contend with a mountain-cuttijng line which had a lot of cliffs-swiping curves 00:29:10 <Supercheese> the 25% grade seems quite steep 00:29:59 <drac_boy> there was one trackside photo in magazine of a Y6b clawing uphill in thick smoke with a rocky cliff wall only a few inches far away from left side of the locomotive meanwhile the front truck was swung a bit to the left for it was on a curve 00:30:10 <drac_boy> talk about a true mountain route indeed 00:30:41 <drac_boy> btw supercheese 25 0/00 and 25% are not really the same thing I think 00:31:25 <Supercheese> yeah, notation is different 00:31:46 <Supercheese> I see percent and inclines and I think US Highway grade percentage, as that is what I am most familiar with 00:31:52 <Supercheese> despite that likely not being the same thing :P 00:32:42 <Supercheese> 738.4 kN traction?! Whoah 00:32:56 <drac_boy> btw 25 0/00 is like about 2.5% if I'm right I think 00:33:07 <drac_boy> thats not too harsh but .. still quite steep enough 00:33:22 <Supercheese> a 25% highway grade would be... impossible at best :P 00:33:34 *** kero [~keikoz@1.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: kero] 00:33:43 <drac_boy> basically one 0/00 is a tenth of a % as far as I can tell right now 00:33:44 <drac_boy> just so you know 00:34:34 <drac_boy> then again the funny thing is 1% means 1 out of 100 ... so not surprisingly 1 0/00 seem to just simply mean the same thing by its longer form 00:35:23 <drac_boy> supercheese... 25% would be ... well ... umm do you even know how steep these crazy roads in calfornia is? the ones that their old cable cars have to run on yeah :P 00:35:55 <drac_boy> then again some of the old towns in italy were not really made for cars...steep roads with sharp curbs .. need a small car but with good first gear altogether 00:36:06 <Supercheese> 25% grade would require a funicular or something :P 00:36:49 <drac_boy> btw supercheese I still don't even the hell know the story behind this but .. umm yeah .. http://www.datapointed.net/media/2009/11/street_big.jpg 0_o 00:37:10 <Supercheese> Eh, that's just San Francisco 00:37:12 <drac_boy> no wonder theres no lane lines and a very wide road ... *NO*ONE would ever want to not park a car sideway 00:37:58 <drac_boy> and hopefully for now (depending on if climate change does not slam them) .... never sees any winters .. any amount of snow would turn it into a sliding slush deathtrap :P 00:38:23 <drac_boy> I mean could you imagine.....walk out of door....reach the sidewalk....ops....you're starting go sideway.... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH 00:38:28 <Supercheese> Yeah, I don't think San Fran has seen any significant snow 00:38:30 <drac_boy> heh heh 00:38:32 <Supercheese> ever 00:38:51 <drac_boy> supercheese what would you think of that anyway? ^^ 00:39:06 <Supercheese> Snow would shut the city down completely 00:39:31 <drac_boy> supercheese there was one silly story in one of my 'trucking humor' book.... 00:40:28 <drac_boy> it mentioned that the vancouver towns had only one regulation for winters .. dump a feet of salt for each inch of snow ... and soon enough everything is coming to a standstill with no space to plow the salt out of the way anymore 00:41:01 <drac_boy> and he jokingly mentioned that the welcome sign for BC should instead read "STAY OUT DURING WINTER!" 00:41:25 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-153-001.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 00:41:48 <drac_boy> you got to hand it to him for there is one small truth tho...a lot of people have no real idea how to drive in the snow over there even although they live so close to mountains 00:43:29 <drac_boy> supercheese btw I'm not joking but a lot of the times through the winter months around here I'm always finding certain usa state plated cars in the ditch just about anywhere even on a straight country highway stretch .... sometimes even from the sunny ones too (calfornia, florida, etc) 00:43:42 <drac_boy> almost never ever find any local plates in the snow.....makes you ponder 00:45:31 <drac_boy> and nothing is worser than seeing a big fat 4dr sedan from texas spun out deep into a ditch with no tread to be seen on the one visible tires because its too clotted with slush (can you bet he did not even have winter tires?) 00:46:16 <Supercheese> I should get my snow tires put on soon 00:47:06 *** krinn [~krinn@115.227.101.84.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:47:37 <drac_boy> supercheese I'm never worried about anything except really heavy thunderstorms tbh :) 00:47:47 <drac_boy> thats the fun thing of a well stocked old landcruiser heh 00:48:21 <drac_boy> heavy and a bit slow .. but ... guess what? it always go just almost anywhere (except up the wall.....duh) 00:48:50 <drac_boy> still need to find a better turbocharger that would pair up with the cummin engine tho 00:49:54 <drac_boy> supercheese its only got about 80-100hp afaik .. no idea on the real number but .. I do know that for a cummin diesel its probably got a lot of torque on the other hand .... 00:50:41 <drac_boy> so yeah put it in first gear and put the throttle pedal flat to floor .. it'll only lurch forward and start picking up speed ... never slips :P 00:51:09 <Supercheese> There's some research going on at Oregon State University on a car powered by compressed natural gas, and a natural gas compressor for your garage. 00:51:29 <Supercheese> Really sounds promising to me, being able to fuel up in your own garage! 00:51:42 <Supercheese> Also, natural gas is pretty plentiful and burns clean 00:52:00 <drac_boy> supercheese I'm not too sure..you'll have to check how much power you can get out of a litre of NG compared to other fuels 00:52:18 <Supercheese> I'd be fine with a small car, I don't need too much power 00:52:37 <Supercheese> but yeah, we'll have to see how the project progresses 00:52:37 <drac_boy> thats why ethanol is really a flop no matter how hard the usa gov tries ... its noticeably less powerful with a lower mileage than a equival all-gas-gassed car 00:53:11 <drac_boy> eg if the gas car had 130hp and got 27mpg .. then the ethanol-only would be more like 110ish hp with way less than 27mpg for sure 00:53:38 <drac_boy> the 85gas/15ethanol blend? I'm not sure but hmm maybe not good either way 00:54:05 <Supercheese> well, the advantage of alcohol fuels would be that you can take basically any biomass, ferment it, distill, and run an engine with it 00:54:20 <Supercheese> Mowing your lawn? Take the clippings and make alcohol with them 00:54:25 <Supercheese> power yer car 00:54:33 <Supercheese> nobody does that, though 00:54:37 <drac_boy> distilled engine? thats been tried many times in the past I recall 00:54:55 <drac_boy> hell even the original powerplant for the Zephyr was supposed to be distilled ... was soon diesel instead 00:55:09 <Supercheese> at least not these days, the Model A did exactly that (with stuff other than lawn clippings anyway) back in the day 00:55:29 <Supercheese> Model A was dual-fuel, could run gas or alcohol 00:55:39 <Supercheese> or a mixture of both, I guess 00:56:53 <Supercheese> or wait, was that Model T 00:57:04 <Supercheese> I get those mixed up :P 00:57:32 <Supercheese> seems like it was the Model T 00:58:36 <Supercheese> anyway, if you could distill your own fuel, the advantage is that Flex-Fuel vehicles can already run it straight 00:58:52 <Supercheese> I don't think we have any nat gas cars on the market at the moment 00:59:23 <drac_boy> btw I had actually been thinking about that after I got a decent turbocharger working I was going to try play around with the mixture components (including air intake part) to see if it could run on a wider octane blend 00:59:37 <Supercheese> alcohols are very high octane 00:59:41 <drac_boy> not sure yet tho...might wait till warm months again to decide about that .. winter is not a good time :p 00:59:49 <Supercheese> they'd start really well when cold too 00:59:50 <drac_boy> supercheese.. I'm talking about low octane ;) 00:59:56 <Supercheese> oh, I see 01:00:24 <drac_boy> diesel is about 10-20 give or take ... waste fat would be just a bit higher 01:01:55 <drac_boy> supercheese btw it used to be you'll pour enough alcohol down the brake lines to waste the whole winter with ... that was pretty much the days before air dryers were created :P 01:02:29 <drac_boy> moisture in line + cold = stuck brake coks = nothing to stop truck with *****!!!! 01:03:07 <drac_boy> and of course theres many other inventions that truckers really took grant for ;) 01:04:58 <drac_boy> supercheese for the record .. waste oil is not as "free fuel" as many hyped up people try to say it is ... first you have to collect it at a scheduled time ... second filter it for any food bits left behind during frying (chicken skin etc you know?) ... then do a fine filter to make sure you only have more or less clean waste oil .. and then only finally can you more or less use that for your engine 01:05:04 <drac_boy> and thats a bit oversimplifying it btw 01:05:30 <Supercheese> Yeah, my cousin ran his pickup on waste vegetable oil for a while 01:05:40 <Supercheese> he said it was a major pain, it didn't last long 01:06:28 <Supercheese> I think there's a difference between waste vegetable oil and waste petrol/synthetic oil 01:06:40 <Supercheese> well, I *know* there is, rather 01:06:49 <drac_boy> well waste petrol is not really waste fat :P 01:07:18 <Supercheese> I think the 2-6-2 I linked earlier uses waste petrol oil 01:07:26 <Supercheese> IIRC 01:08:44 <Eddi|zuHause> oil-powered steam engines tended to use "heavy oil" which couldn't be refined further at that time. they grew unpopular once that became possible 01:09:11 <drac_boy> supercheese heh theres also UP and Bunker C oil too 01:09:24 <supermop> hi 01:09:42 <drac_boy> cheap turbine fuel .. but when that fact was gone...and newer diesels were just coming....lets say that was almost the total end for any existing turbine locomotives 01:10:10 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.140.202] has joined #openttd 01:10:42 * drac_boy wonders if there is even an octane chart of common fuels anywhere 01:11:01 <drac_boy> something that'll go from 5 to 200 etc that is 01:11:54 <Supercheese> ask Google! 01:12:34 <drac_boy> doesn't seem to be much online either way hence me asking :P 01:13:13 <Supercheese> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating#Examples_of_octane_ratings 01:15:14 <drac_boy> all these 20-60 have weird names that make no sense heh 01:15:52 <drac_boy> curiously wonder if that RON 0 thing can even ignite at all :p 01:15:53 <Supercheese> I love how ethanol is 4th highest on that chart 01:16:11 <Supercheese> oh wait it's not ascending 01:16:54 <Supercheese> It's more like 8th highest 01:18:28 <drac_boy> suprcheese just asking out of curiousity but do you drive? 01:18:34 <Supercheese> aye 01:18:38 <drac_boy> btw hi supermop..sorry...talking so much here ... how're you? :P 01:18:41 <drac_boy> supercheese auto or manual? 01:19:00 <Supercheese> I've only ever driven automatics, but I really really want to try a manual transmission 01:19:38 <Supercheese> the last two cars I've inherited from my grandmother, though, and so I don't really have a reason to buy another car 01:19:54 <Supercheese> also, none of my family drives a manual, none of my friends... 01:20:10 <drac_boy> heh I only like manual alone .. autos have too many problems aside to being expensive anyway 01:20:30 <Supercheese> I think I'd like it because you have more control 01:21:07 <Supercheese> also they apparently get better mileage, all else equal 01:21:20 <drac_boy> supercheese yeah .. plus manuals don't do weird things to gears :P 01:21:39 <Supercheese> but as I said, I've gotten my cars thus far for free, so I can't complain :P 01:22:39 <supermop> fine, eating a cheap dinner and watchinf the news 01:23:00 <drac_boy> btw supercheese if you're wondering .. its a warner 5spd transmission paired with a stiff dana transfer case here :P 01:23:14 <drac_boy> almost indestructible combination anyway ;) 01:24:49 <drac_boy> supercheese of course it doesn't help that thanks to the slow but strong engine you have to be mindful of the clutch 01:25:12 <drac_boy> otherwise if you clutch out with the stick not really all the way in .. the torque may whump it back into neutral .... heh heh 01:28:08 <drac_boy> supercheese I don't think I mentioned this part to you yet but .. you know how normally for a car you slow down then take a sharp curve .. then smoothly accerlate back up to more or less same speed? well this landcruiser usually has no idea what brakes are for .. it'll happily deck a 40km/h posted curve at a shade over 70km/h without caring ... except that anyone in the rear seat row may better find something to hang on 01:28:33 * drac_boy just whistles innocently 01:28:43 <Supercheese> Sounds good: braking is the major cause of inefficiency for an automobile 01:28:53 <Supercheese> avoid braking, be more efficient! 01:29:10 <drac_boy> actually the real problem is its slow to accerlate so its a tradeoff providing any passenger doesn't mind it 01:32:14 <drac_boy> supercheese it sometimes reminds me of a particular manga story..one moment :p 01:37:17 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@200.139.122.174.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:42:35 <drac_boy> sorry supercheese decided to add a little more but anyway .. you up for a few scanlet pages now? :) 01:43:05 <Supercheese> I suppose 01:43:21 <Supercheese> I don't mind a distraction from this thermodynamics homework :P 01:43:38 <drac_boy> http://c.mfcdn.net/store/manga/134/03-023.0/compressed/Initial_D_v03_c023_029.jpg?v=1 first one and its rather simple ... ofc I'm no specialist but meh :) 01:44:13 <drac_boy> http://c.mfcdn.net/store/manga/134/03-023.0/compressed/Initial_D_v03_c023_039.jpg?v=1 and thats a bit like me ... disappearing around curves too fast just like me re no braking at all 01:44:40 <drac_boy> and just so you know 'eighty-six' is because its a 1986 toyota trueno 01:45:47 <drac_boy> and well of course I don't drift (its too impossible to with all that curb weight heh) but still what he said about never decelerating pretty much is alike to me ... 01:45:52 <drac_boy> http://c.mfcdn.net/store/manga/134/03-024.0/compressed/Initial_D_v03_c024_053.jpg?v=1 01:45:59 <drac_boy> http://c.mfcdn.net/store/manga/134/03-024.0/compressed/Initial_D_v03_c024_054.jpg?v=1 01:46:08 <drac_boy> http://c.mfcdn.net/store/manga/134/03-024.0/compressed/Initial_D_v03_c024_055.jpg?v=1 01:46:19 <drac_boy> and last http://c.mfcdn.net/store/manga/134/03-024.0/compressed/Initial_D_v03_c024_056.jpg?v=1 01:48:29 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.65.249] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:48:42 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.249] has joined #openttd 01:50:20 <drac_boy> the part about loose screws in head .... 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:D 08:46:26 <Flygon> Metrol: Accidentally routing Diesel freight trains through the Melbourne underground since 1981 08:46:34 <Terkhen> I think that I will update the list of wanted patches with this task when FS#5355 is committed 08:46:49 <Flygon> (well, locomotives... only once can I recall a freight train going in >_>") 08:47:08 * Flygon nod 08:47:11 <Terkhen> huh, that sounds quite wrong :P 08:47:31 <Flygon> It got worse during privatization 08:47:43 <Flygon> And they split the suburban trains into two companies... 08:48:10 <Flygon> The two companies ended up with situations where one didn't have enough signallers, so the other had to borrow one from the other 08:48:33 <Flygon> And only one of them dealt with Diesel trails that go around the loop... 08:49:23 <Flygon> Cue confused signallers that's been told to route ALL electric trains through the underground loop not recognizing Diesel trains 08:50:01 <Flygon> Luckily, we have a unified suburban network again 08:50:45 <Terkhen> :) 08:53:39 <Flygon> That doesn't stop Metrol from making some baffling decisions, though... 08:54:59 <Flygon> eg. routing V/Line trains into suburban only platforms of stations, making the only way back out to either go through the loop or hold up every single platform of the station (the station in question, having at least 16 platforms (over 24 if you count sub-platforms)... 08:57:14 <Flygon> The loop actually ends up preferable, if they're in the mood to activate expensive ventalation systems (but it's only ever suppose to happen if it's scheduled, usually by railfan groups) 09:03:15 *** BtbN [~btbn@btbn.de] has joined #openttd 09:03:50 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 09:05:40 <Terkhen> it does not seem efficient, yes 09:08:22 *** Wakou [~stephen@host109-156-35-78.range109-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:16:17 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 16.0.2/20121024073032]] 09:29:39 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 09:33:40 *** Guilux [~Guilux@chenapan.net] has quit [Quit: [RESET]] 09:34:27 *** Guilux [~Guilux@chenapan.net] has joined #openttd 09:35:32 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:42:43 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-78-45-94-211.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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14:31:50 <Pensacola> :D 14:41:59 <Flygon> __ln__: Basically, Windows 7 asks "This program appears to have crapped out on you, do you want to kill it?" and then suddenly the client works again 14:42:06 <Flygon> Usually when I'm making a savegame... 14:44:06 <Terkhen> Windows 7 thinks that the program is not responding 14:44:15 <Terkhen> that does not mean that the program is not responding :P 14:44:32 <Terkhen> that happens to me sometimes when I'm joining a TF2 server for example 14:44:45 <__ln__> it does mean the program is not responding at the moment 14:48:14 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable105.141-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 14:48:30 <drac_boy> hi 14:49:22 <Eddi|zuHause> that has nothing to do with "crashing" though... it just means that windows is a bit impatient... 14:54:26 *** dada78641 [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:55:18 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-208-105-82-227.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:06:39 *** llugo [bc6f57fe@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:09:20 *** dada__ [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:09:28 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.249] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:09:42 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.249] has joined #openttd 15:11:42 *** dada78641 [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:20:48 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 15:50:29 *** Korenn [~Korenn@multimediahouse.nat.be.nl] has quit [Quit: Wipe them out, all of them.] 16:00:57 *** DanMacK [DanMacK@CPE602ad091690d-CM602ad091690a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 16:04:15 <DanMacK> Hey all 16:04:29 <drac_boy> hi danmack 16:07:19 <DanMacK> Any of the Devzone peeps around? 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16:41:00 <planetmaker> mÀuschen, sag 'mal "piep" 16:43:25 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-063-069.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 16:44:12 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 16:57:03 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.249] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:57:16 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.249] has joined #openttd 16:59:05 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 17:11:34 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Hyronymus] 17:19:23 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has joined #openttd 17:32:38 *** Nat_aS [~Shep@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 17:46:36 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.249] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:46:47 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.249] has joined #openttd 17:48:36 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.249] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:48:47 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.249] has joined #openttd 17:52:04 *** FlyingFoXy [~quassel@sanktwendel.weh.rwth-aachen.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:57:39 *** FlyingFoX [~quassel@sanktwendel.weh.rwth-aachen.de] has joined #openttd 18:00:53 *** Knogle [knogle@1604ds5-soeb.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #openttd 18:05:27 <__ln__> oops http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvyIrsZ7Zhs 18:08:51 <peter1138> whoops indeed 18:09:01 <peter1138> snapped :S 18:09:12 <peter1138> it wobbles a lot in the slow-mo 18:41:08 *** DanM [DanMacK@CPE602ad091690d-CM602ad091690a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #openttd 18:43:51 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 18:44:43 <NGC3982> Evening. 18:44:54 <NGC3982> Deamons and Romney voters. 18:45:28 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24667 /trunk/src/lang (3 files) (2012-11-07 18:45:19 UTC) 18:45:29 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:30 <DorpsGek> latvian - 5 changes by Parastais 18:45:31 <DorpsGek> luxembourgish - 18 changes by Phreeze 18:45:32 <DorpsGek> spanish - 1 changes by Terkhen 18:46:29 <frosch123> NGC3982: this is a europe dominated channel, who cares? 18:46:39 *** DanMacK [DanMacK@CPE602ad091690d-CM602ad091690a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:46:54 <NGC3982> It was not to be taken seriosly. 18:47:18 <NGC3982> Actually, do we have any american regular here at all? :) 18:47:33 <frosch123> not at this time of the day :) 18:47:46 <frosch123> but there are usually during 2am - 4am european time 18:48:12 <frosch123> anyway, i am actually jeally about you americans :) 18:48:32 * NGC3982 isn't. 18:48:34 <frosch123> campaigns are over for you, while they start here :p 18:49:10 <NGC3982> Ah. 18:49:11 <NGC3982> True. 18:50:08 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.249] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:50:12 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:50:19 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.249] has joined #openttd 18:53:02 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:53:49 <andythenorth> lo 18:54:48 <DanM> hi 18:56:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6CE69.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:56:42 *** DanM is now known as DanMacK 19:01:20 <Eddi|zuHause> "Today's big news: Roseanne lost the vote for president" 19:02:59 <Eddi|zuHause> "45,623 votes (around 0.1%)" 19:03:02 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.163.10] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:06:06 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 19:08:38 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host115-94-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:09:10 <Wolf01> hello o/ 19:09:26 <andythenorth> o/ 19:10:23 <Eddi|zuHause> \o 19:10:44 <andythenorth> -o 19:10:54 <Eddi|zuHause> |o| 19:10:56 <Eddi|zuHause> ~~~ 19:10:59 <Eddi|zuHause> ~~~ 19:11:20 <andythenorth> <o 19:11:20 <andythenorth> ^^ head scratch 19:14:51 *** KritiK [~Maxim@37-144-138-46.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 19:15:18 <Eddi|zuHause> http://pics.nase-bohren.de/drowning-lol.jpg 19:16:28 *** Progman [~progman@p57A193D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:18:08 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:20:31 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 19:23:14 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 19:24:55 <andythenorth> do you also lol if they're waving? 19:30:37 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-65.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 19:39:23 *** lugo [lugo@apple.bnc4free.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:46:22 *** lugo [lugo@apple.bnc4free.com] has joined #openttd 20:04:09 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.249] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:04:21 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.249] has joined #openttd 20:05:25 *** eQualizer|dada [~lauri@dyn60-236.yok.fi] has joined #openttd 20:05:31 <andythenorth> hmm 20:05:39 <andythenorth> when did I start reading YT comments? 20:05:44 <andythenorth> can't be a good sign 20:05:46 * andythenorth must be ill 20:06:47 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@200.139.122.174.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 20:08:14 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:08:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@31.123.142.38] has joined #openttd 20:10:04 *** Soft [~soft@dyn58-80.yok.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:10:10 *** eQualizer [~lauri@dyn60-236.yok.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:15:48 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-138-119-145.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:18:32 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ec66:5398:fb6f:11fb] has joined #openttd 20:18:35 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 20:30:13 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 20:32:33 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 20:32:52 <andythenorth> now what :P 20:35:41 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.249] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:35:52 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.249] has joined #openttd 20:38:07 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 21:00:44 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:01:41 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.249] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:53 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.249] has joined #openttd 21:06:34 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 21:08:32 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable105.141-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 21:08:46 <drac_boy> hi 21:16:48 *** andythenorth [~Andy@31.123.142.38] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:23:31 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24668 /trunk/src (3 files) (2012-11-07 21:23:26 UTC) 21:23:32 <DorpsGek> -Feature(ette) [FS#5311]: Draw cargo labels in the station list black or white depending on the background colour. (sbr) 21:27:31 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host217-43-119-167.range217-43.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 21:27:47 <LordAro> evenings 21:32:02 <drac_boy> hi lordaro 21:34:41 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-123-63.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 21:38:26 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-108-17-113-33.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:39:45 *** flaa [~flaa@188.141.45.124] has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:44:19 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:45:54 <FLHerne> Typical, I log on to ask andythenorth something and miss him by seconds :P 21:47:50 <drac_boy> heh heh 21:48:06 <drac_boy> was about 29 minutes btw :P 21:50:57 *** Hyronymus [~Thunderbi@5ED1CCB7.cm-7-2d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Hyronymus] 21:52:40 <Zuu> or some 1700 seconds :-p 21:52:55 <Terkhen> FLHerne: convince him to set up an IRC bouncer 21:53:02 <Terkhen> :P 21:53:17 <planetmaker> Terkhen, he has an account on our bouncer. But discontinued to use it. Can't be bothered to have backlogs 21:53:27 <Rubidium> Zuu: well, Hannibal crossed the Alps years ago ;) 21:53:32 <FLHerne> Zuu: Any time period can be measured in seconds :D 21:53:35 <Terkhen> planetmaker: I know :) 21:53:56 <Terkhen> I just wanted to see what happens if someone tries that again :P 21:55:13 * Rubidium ponders what plural rules are with fractions 21:55:38 <Rubidium> is it 4/2 second or 4/2 seconds? 21:56:29 <Rubidium> oh darn it... Hannibal is 3rd century BC ;( 21:59:29 <blathijs> Rubidium: I suspect that's undefined behaviour ;-) 22:01:13 <frosch123> Rubidium: sounds like it just happened 22:01:26 <frosch123> (using astronomical units) 22:02:02 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@port-92-195-112-39.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 22:02:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 22:02:39 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 22:02:44 <planetmaker> one astronomical unit = 149.597.870.700 metres. Not a time unit :-P 22:03:55 <frosch123> how many lightyears is that? 22:04:16 <Rubidium> 8-ish light minutes? 22:04:27 <planetmaker> around that, yes 22:05:13 <Rubidium> 1.581*10^-5 ly ;) 22:05:32 <planetmaker> :-) 22:05:43 <Rubidium> ouch... 22:05:57 <Rubidium> just found out that fibre optics are slow 22:06:33 <planetmaker> yup 22:06:40 <planetmaker> it's not the speed of light in vacuum 22:06:54 <Chris_Booth> isn't it strange that a light year is a measure of distance and not time 22:06:59 <Rubidium> *if* you were to have a fibre optic cable of 1 AU, it would take 4 minutes longer for the sun's light to reach the other end 22:08:22 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-56-70.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:09:09 <glx> because reflexions 22:09:50 <Rubidium> so a ping Europe to Australia doesn't take only 140 ms, it takes a whopping 200 ms 22:10:09 *** mahmoud [~KEM@ALyon-158-1-36-65.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:10:20 <planetmaker> glx, not because of reflections. speed of light in matter just is slower. 22:10:25 <Rubidium> definitely the speed of the internet could be improved by 30% if we would just use vacuums instead of fibre optics 22:10:56 <frosch123> or if the internet would use tunnels through the center of earth 22:11:19 <Rubidium> there... 60% improvement ;) 22:11:20 <glx> not sure the distance would be shorter 22:13:04 <Rubidium> it'd be only 1/pi of the distance, wouldn't it? 22:13:20 <frosch123> 2/pi 22:13:42 <frosch123> you want the whole diameter, not only the radius 22:13:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A193D7.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13:58 <Rubidium> hmm, true... 22:14:09 <Rubidium> definitely too late for trigonometry 22:14:42 <blathijs> So, this whole "internet with the speed of light" thing is really just untrue marketing crap? 22:14:50 <Rubidium> yeah... 22:15:05 <Rubidium> unless the speed of light can be achieved in copper 22:15:06 <frosch123> blathijs: depends 22:15:07 <planetmaker> no, not really. It's the speed of light 22:15:17 <planetmaker> it's just not the vacuum speed of light 22:15:22 <blathijs> Yeah, they didn't see "speed of light in vacuum" 22:15:25 <blathijs> s/see/say/ 22:15:28 <glx> it's still faster than what I can get with my copper line 22:15:29 <planetmaker> with the proper material you can slow it down to like 60km/h even 22:15:32 <frosch123> is it a lie by the marketing to sell it to customers 22:15:50 <frosch123> or is a lie by the engineers to convince their marketing 22:16:24 <blathijs> frosch123: I suspect most marketing guys nor engineers actually realize that they're lying 22:16:29 <Rubidium> make me wonder... 22:16:38 <Rubidium> is the speed of neutrino's higher than the speed of light? 22:17:11 <glx> hard to measure (as it's hard to find one :) ) 22:17:31 <michi_cc> Probably, at least for the non-vacuum case. Neutrinos just interact so much less with matter :) 22:21:58 <Rubidium> apparantly rock salts have a speed of light of c/1.5 22:22:00 *** Chris_Booth [~chatzilla@host86-138-119-145.range86-138.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0/20121031065642]] 22:22:36 <Rubidium> the deviation of the OPERA experiment was in the range of 10^-6 away from c 22:23:00 <Rubidium> so... the neutrinos must have gone faster than the speed of light for rocks 22:23:16 <Rubidium> ... thus... faster than light travel has been proven 22:23:56 <planetmaker> Rubidium, it was proven to be an error ;-) 22:23:58 <planetmaker> meanwhile 22:24:28 <Rubidium> planetmaker: I'm using the un-error-ed data 22:24:39 <Terkhen> good night 22:26:46 <Rubidium> but then... MINOS (2007): neutrino speed larger than 0.999976c and lower than 1.000126c 22:28:46 <Rubidium> anyhow, point is speed of neutrino in rock is roughly c. Speed of light in rock is roughly c/1.5 22:29:29 *** KritiK_ [~Maxim@128-72-190-112.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 22:29:41 <Rubidium> since c > c/1.5 I can claim neutrino's go faster than the speed of light (in rock) 22:30:19 <Rubidium> ... but since ISPs don't need to mention that speed of light is not by definition c, I wouldn't need to either ;) 22:33:39 *** KritiK [~Maxim@37-144-138-46.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:54 *** KritiK_ is now known as KritiK 22:37:55 *** oskari89 [~oskari89@62-241-226-131.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:44:39 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-208-105-82-227.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:47:41 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 22:51:23 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:59:12 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ec66:5398:fb6f:11fb] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59:56 *** glx [glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:ec66:5398:fb6f:11fb] has joined #openttd 22:59:59 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 23:05:39 *** KritiK [~Maxim@128-72-190-112.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:18:54 <frosch123> night 23:18:57 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d0084bf.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:21:50 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:24:53 * drac_boy pokes supercheese with more cheeses 23:24:55 <drac_boy> :P 23:29:29 *** Guilux [~Guilux@chenapan.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:34:14 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.65.249] has joined #openttd 23:34:14 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.249] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:41:32 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:42:23 <Wolf01> 'night 23:42:27 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host115-94-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:43:31 *** Guilux [~Guilux@chenapan.net] has joined #openttd 23:43:55 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:57:48 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.249] has joined #openttd 23:57:48 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.65.249] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]