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07:40:00  <__ln__> buongiorno
07:50:22  <Flygon> 'menta
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07:50:58  <__ln__> hyvÀÀ huomenta Flygon
07:51:22  <Flygon> Lucky bugger, having accented a keys on your keyboard! :D
07:51:47  <Flygon> I've had Finns yell at me constantly because I kept saying "Hyvaa Yota"!
07:52:17  <Flygon> ...
07:52:26  <Flygon> I think I forgot what 'yota' means
07:52:38  <Flygon> ...
07:52:47  <Flygon> I did not mean to say Good Night
07:52:48  <__ln__> it's the partitive(?) of night
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07:52:59  <Flygon> My Finnish is very rusty, it seems
07:53:12  <Flygon> But I was constantly saying good night to them
07:53:19  <Flygon> Because of uncooperative timezones :p
07:54:00  <__ln__> How much Finnish do you speak besides that?
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07:54:15  <NGC3982> What!
07:54:16  <NGC3982> Oh
07:54:23  <Flygon> Uuuh
07:54:26  <Flygon> Not very much
07:54:27  <Markk> Wat nao.
07:54:31  <Flygon> I forgot most of what I learned
07:54:32  * NGC3982 still has hilight on Rusty.
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07:54:41  <NGC3982> Markk: Morning.
07:54:48  <Markk> Moin
07:54:55  <Flygon> It's been over a year since I've been on Trilobit's IRC
07:55:19  <Flygon> I know Koulou (?) means 'School/Educational Institute'
07:55:23  <Eddi|zuHause> why would anyone have a keyboard without À on it? :p
07:55:31  <Flygon> And... good god, I'm really rattling my memory here
07:55:40  <Flygon> Eddi: All Australian keyboards are American based
07:55:46  <Markk> Eddi|zuHause: Why would anyone have a keyboard without å on it? :)
07:55:53  <Flygon> I expect this to change to being Korean centric in 10 years, though :p
07:56:23  <__ln__> Flygon: Isn't there some 'US international' keyboard layout available that you could use to use to get À, ö?
07:56:31  <NGC3982> ÄöÀöå!
07:56:41  <Flygon> Oh god
07:56:53  <Flygon> I just accidentally made my monitor go upsidedown
07:56:58  <Flygon> Trying to type an accented character
07:57:02  <Flygon> I am... a huge idiot
07:57:36  <Eddi|zuHause> âőǎạå
07:57:45  <Flygon> Annnnd fixed
07:58:03  <Flygon> __ln__: Never bothered to look
07:58:33  <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: you forgot ȧ ą á Ã
08:00:05  <__ln__> Flygon: you should
08:00:21  <frosch123> just assign "compose" to "caps lock"
08:00:32  <Flygon> When I intend to learn Finnish again :p
08:00:33  <NGC3982> ??
08:00:37  <NGC3982> Oops
08:00:45  <NGC3982> Eisa peitÀÀ
08:00:52  <frosch123> though there are tons of other superfluous keys you can use to assign "compose" to
08:00:56  <Eddi|zuHause> not entirely sure where the buttons are for this, the other ones are on altgr(+shift)+{ÀöÌ}
08:01:02  <__ln__> NGC3982: ei saa peittÀÀ
08:01:23  <Eddi|zuHause> as dead keys
08:01:31  <NGC3982> må ikke övertÀckes
08:01:42  <__ln__> precis det
08:01:48  <Eddi|zuHause> ©
08:02:01  <NGC3982> Do not cover!
08:02:43  <Noldo> :D
08:03:19  <__ln__> mjölk innehåller rikligt med kalcium
08:03:46  <NGC3982> :D
08:04:25  <Eddi|zuHause> "contains milk, enriched with calcium"?
08:04:37  <Noldo> milk contains...
08:04:48  <__ln__> no, "milk contains plenty of calcium"
08:05:10  <Eddi|zuHause> i was confused by grammar, then :)
08:08:17  <__ln__> all the food and drinks are required to have the product description both in finnish and swedish... as a result, people memorize such useful phrases in swedish.
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09:25:10  <Terkhen> good morning
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09:25:36  <frosch123> hola terkhen :)
09:26:54  <NGC3982> __ln__: Is Arla a big producer in Finland too?
09:31:45  <__ln__> one of the two whose products are sold all over the country. not as big as Valio.
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09:33:55  <NGC3982> Ah, i see.
09:34:09  <NGC3982> Valio has expanded greatly troughout Sweden the last five or six years.
09:34:45  <NGC3982> I really enjoy the yoghurt products.
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09:58:43  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24669 trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp (2012-11-08 09:58:37 UTC)
09:58:44  <DorpsGek> -Fix: Auto-expand advanced settings only when selecting a 'deviation' filter.
10:02:15  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24670 trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp (2012-11-08 10:02:09 UTC)
10:02:16  <DorpsGek> -Change: Drop 'signal density' from adv. settings GUI. It is more suited to be only changed via the signal GUI.
10:04:06  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24671 /trunk/src (10 files in 3 dirs) (2012-11-08 10:04:00 UTC)
10:04:07  <DorpsGek> -Feature [FS#5355]: Add basic/advanced/expert filters to adv. settings GUI. (Eagle_rainbow)
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11:20:38  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24672 /trunk/src (3 files in 2 dirs) (2012-11-08 11:20:32 UTC)
11:20:39  <DorpsGek> -Add [FS#5356]: Remember the basic/advanced/expert filter selection.
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12:52:10  <drac_boy> hi
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13:13:59  <Eddi|zuHause> http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/5790368_700b.jpg
13:17:18  <V453000> lol
13:20:33  <NGC3982> :D
13:20:47  <NGC3982> The single most irritating thing with the entire AOE franchise.
13:24:47  <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: you mean the converting, thing they say during converting, or that people remember it 15 years later?
13:27:13  <NGC3982> Well, i was always so darn bad at mastering a priest offensive.
13:28:26  <V453000> I never built priests, just hate
13:28:56  <Eddi|zuHause> i always had two or so for healing
13:29:04  <Eddi|zuHause> but converting never really worked well
13:29:41  <V453000> well if you had some asshole race which had all priest upgrades, it unfortunately did :)
13:29:54  <Eddi|zuHause> a) when you start converting, everyone shoots at the priest first. b) when you target a guy with two priests, both priests get the cooldown time, so you have to manage each one individually
13:30:35  <NGC3982> True
13:30:35  <V453000> well yeah you have to get hotkeys on them and target multiple enemis
13:30:37  <V453000> enemies
13:30:53  <NGC3982> But people who masterd the priests was fantasticly impossible to beat.
13:31:04  <NGC3982> Masterd/mastered?
13:31:07  <V453000> also playing vs human opponents usually means more effectiveness
13:33:36  <NGC3982> I was never even a decent AOE player.
13:34:13  <Eddi|zuHause> mustard!
13:34:21  <NGC3982> I always advanced a singular type of offencive and pushed it like snowplow in Alaska.
13:34:29  <Flygon> I love Age of Empires
13:34:31  <Flygon> II, anyway...
13:34:37  <NGC3982> offensive/offencive?
13:34:40  <NGC3982> II <3.
13:34:40  <Flygon> III feels wrong, and I keeps crashing in netplay @.@
13:34:48  <Eddi|zuHause> "II love Age of Empires"?
13:34:50  <Eddi|zuHause> :p
13:34:54  <Flygon> Also, I lacks proper community support
13:34:56  <Flygon> So
13:35:01  <Flygon> You may as well port I to II
13:35:07  <Flygon> Since they used the same engine... can't be that hard
13:35:25  <Flygon> Especially with all the bugfixes II introduced (before community patching)
13:35:37  <Eddi|zuHause> i tried playing AoEII recently, but the AI always gave up immediately
13:35:48  <Flygon> Ah
13:35:50  <Eddi|zuHause> so something is probably be broken
13:35:57  <Eddi|zuHause> -be
13:36:00  <Flygon> http://userpatch.aiscripters.net/
13:36:05  <Flygon> This has a lot of fixes, btw
13:36:13  <Flygon> It's an awesome patch
13:36:16  <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: I noticed that too.
13:36:25  <NGC3982> The AI is even worser than me.
13:36:27  <NGC3982> :/
13:36:35  * NGC3982 puts stuff up in Markk.
13:36:35  <frosch123> that usually happened on the two lowest diff settings
13:36:53  <V453000> I liked Mythology the most
13:37:02  <V453000> III is wtf, II is, idk somewhat strange to me
13:37:07  <NGC3982> That was fun for a while.
13:37:22  <V453000> but without the Titans, that was just overcombinating
13:37:29  * frosch123 only played britons: walls, longbows, trebuchets
13:37:40  <V453000> :D
13:38:15  <V453000> I played AoEII vs a friend who was apparently pretty good at it and he built a wall around my city at age I
13:38:17  <V453000> couldnt do shit
13:38:25  <V453000> :)
13:38:41  <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: no, not that the AI is bad/good. but 80% of them declare defeat "because they couldn't find wood/stone/..."
13:38:57  <Eddi|zuHause> like 20s into the game
13:39:11  <V453000> lol
13:39:50  * drac_boy pokes flygon with a broken siderod
13:39:54  <drac_boy> how're you? :P
13:40:09  <DorpsGek> it's not very effective
13:40:10  * Flygon prods drac_boy with a Longbowman
13:40:22  * Flygon then pokes him with 2000 Longbowmen
13:40:25  <drac_boy> flygon what does that even have to do with any kind of trains silly :P
13:40:26  <Flygon> I AM INVINCIBLE
13:40:35  <drac_boy> unless...you're thinking of frictious elf trains? ;)
13:40:39  <Flygon> Also, a friend of mine tried to use around 1,000 longbowmen
13:40:43  <Flygon> But the AoEII engine near-crashed
13:40:51  <Flygon> It turns out arrows are very very CPU intensive
13:40:56  <frosch123> it already crashed at 150 food, didn't it#?
13:41:25  <Flygon> But yeah
13:41:30  <Flygon> LBM broke AoEII
13:41:55  <frosch123> usually it broke when some ai walled itself in
13:42:02  <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: I notice far worser things.
13:42:08  <frosch123> since the pathfinder (probably a*) failed then horribly
13:42:43  <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: For instance, horse infantry aiming to run off the map for some reason.
13:42:58  <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: it's really no fun if you make an 8 player game and then there's only one opponent on the map
13:44:15  <V453000> idk how you managed that tbh :D
13:44:41  <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: i don't think i have the conquerors expansion, actually
13:44:54  <Flygon> Oh
13:45:02  <Flygon> The expansion adds a LOT of fixes to the game
13:45:07  <Flygon> And adds a lot to the game
13:50:34  <Eddi|zuHause> and something's really wrong with the mouse movement... unless i pause the game...
13:51:27  <Flygon> Hmm
13:51:30  <Flygon> That sounds really odd
13:51:38  <Flygon> I recommend seeking help from AoEII communities
13:52:05  <Eddi|zuHause> i really wish this game would support widescreen
13:52:52  <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: I know. It sucks.
13:53:19  <NGC3982> Speaking of games other then Ottd, i recently started playing Halo for PC again.
13:53:26  <NGC3982> There is literaly thousands of servers out there
13:53:29  <Eddi|zuHause> the mouse thing may be some weird interaction with wine
13:53:41  <Eddi|zuHause> never played that game
13:53:45  <Flygon> Uh
13:53:46  <Flygon> Eddi
13:53:50  <Flygon> The game has Widescreen support
13:53:55  <Flygon> The fanpatch adds it in
13:56:27  <Eddi|zuHause> but will it work without the expansion?
13:56:38  <Eddi|zuHause> the "readme" is kinda empty...
13:57:12  <Flygon> Uh
13:57:17  <Flygon> I think it needs the expansion
13:57:21  <Flygon> It's pretty cheap to obtain
13:57:28  <Flygon> Either through online, or through online
13:57:59  <Flygon> As in, eBay, eBay sellers have cheap copies
13:58:05  <Flygon> Along with local video game retailers
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15:40:33  <andythenorth> lo
15:42:19  <Flygon> yo
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15:44:57  <NGC3982> You guys know of any good spell-checking site?
15:45:09  <NGC3982> Gmail doesn't seem to want to spell check my english properly.
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15:49:59  <efess> use google search box
15:50:07  <efess> and look at "Did you mean: ?"
15:50:16  <efess> that's what I do..
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15:51:40  <Alberth> hi hi
15:51:57  <drac_boy> hi alberth
15:52:58  <andythenorth> construction stages for industries
15:53:35  <Terkhen> hi Alberth
15:54:36  <andythenorth> lo Alberth
15:54:47  <Alberth> that sounds like "9.stuff" to me, andy :)
15:56:09  <andythenorth> I figure it's just "yet another building sprite in the spritelayout"
15:56:15  <andythenorth> with conditional hiding
15:57:34  <drac_boy> heh
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15:58:10  <DanMacK> Hey all
15:58:34  <andythenorth> hey DanMacK
16:00:25  <oskari89> Hey :)
16:00:46  <Terkhen> hi DanMacK
16:01:15  <DanMacK> o/
16:01:39  <Pensacola> hi
16:08:06  <andythenorth> DanMacK I might try coding some FIRS construction sprites later, depends if I have any time ;)
16:08:34  * andythenorth wonders what's left to do on FIRS
16:10:52  <andythenorth> does silence = "nothing, it's done"? o_O
16:11:36  <oskari89> More industies! More economies!
16:11:43  <Alberth> more likely, it means we don't know, as we are 200+ revisions behind :p
16:11:46  <oskari89> More stuff to transport :)
16:11:57  <drac_boy> heh
16:11:59  <andythenorth> Alberth: get a nightly ;)
16:12:00  <Alberth> oskari89: but "stuff" was done!
16:12:08  <andythenorth> ah, nobody plays the game any more
16:12:11  * andythenorth forgot that :)
16:12:42  <oskari89> Look at MP server list and say it again :P
16:13:07  <Alberth> oskari89: now also look at the number of clients :p
16:13:49  <oskari89> ....
16:14:09  <oskari89> But there's private servers that dont show up there :)
16:16:35  * Alberth looks for some dinner
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16:21:21  <frosch123> andythenorth: i haven't played mp gs with firs for more than a month
16:21:45  <andythenorth> proof that openttd is dying....
16:21:57  <andythenorth> :P
16:22:32  <frosch123> https://secure.openttd.org/www/en/stats <- yup, no downloads this month
16:22:53  <Rubidium> yay... time to stop working on it then ;)
16:23:31  <frosch123> 1.2.3 is an appropiate end
16:23:39  <frosch123> though it does not support sillicon valley
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16:25:53  <andythenorth> 1.2.3 is a nice end point
16:26:21  <oskari89> Noooo....
16:26:28  <DanMacK> lol
16:26:47  <andythenorth> seriously, all downloads are 0
16:26:51  <andythenorth> let's call time :)
16:26:53  <andythenorth> it's done
16:27:29  <andythenorth> hmm
16:27:44  <andythenorth> but I'm still trying to get 1m downloads on 'my' grfs
16:27:50  <andythenorth> only 918k
16:27:56  <andythenorth> so we have to keep going for a bit :P
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16:35:14  <oskari89> Hmm...
16:35:57  <oskari89> What are next to-be-introduced major features for trunk? Something tech-background-related?
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16:51:55  <andythenorth> looks to me like re-organising settings window is next big feature
16:51:57  <andythenorth> might be wrong
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17:07:50  <DanMacK> Devzone down?
17:08:43  <frosch123> yep
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17:36:07  <frosch123> what? a 46 page document :o
17:40:01  <andythenorth> lame
17:40:06  <andythenorth> why not 64?
17:41:01  <Ammler> then you still have space for advertisments
17:42:33  <frosch123> V is just as insane as expected :)
17:43:39  <Ammler> oh, _that_ document, indeed he is :-)
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17:44:55  <andythenorth> can someone just add construction sprites to FIRS please?
17:45:01  <andythenorth> it's trivial, but I have no time :P
17:45:11  <andythenorth> or at least, coding is hard when holding a child
17:45:39  <Ammler> don't you have speech to code plugin?
17:45:44  <andythenorth> he, no
17:46:00  <andythenorth> in spritelayouts.pypnml, add a conditional hide to existing building sprites if construction state 0, 1, 2
17:46:12  <andythenorth> and then add a construction state sprite
17:46:55  <andythenorth> :P
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17:55:51  <andythenorth> hmm that was easy
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17:57:24  <DanMacK> Hey all
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17:58:13  <Alberth> o/
18:01:11  <andythenorth> basic support for construction states is done
18:01:14  <andythenorth> shows a mud tile right now
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18:04:58  <andythenorth> should industry production respect construction state?
18:06:04  <Alberth> that seems wise :)
18:06:10  <andythenorth> hmm
18:06:14  <andythenorth> I bet that needs coding :P
18:07:42  <DanMacK> Well if its under construction it doesn't produce.  Isn't the original like that?
18:11:19  <andythenorth> think so
18:11:29  <oskari89> I recall that it doesn't, but only if changing production values cheat is not on and production increased at one construction stage :P
18:12:54  <DanMacK> Hmmm
18:13:14  <DanMacK> Been so long since I've used default industries
18:13:57  <oskari89> But it's not important.
18:18:01  <andythenorth> I think I need to code it
18:18:06  <andythenorth> if I can be bothered  :P
18:18:40  <DanMacK> Is it a priority?
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18:18:46  <andythenorth> not really
18:18:53  <andythenorth> it will bug me though
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18:19:11  <DanMacK> Lol
18:19:23  <DanMacK> That's what prompts most of my drawing
18:20:29  <DanMacK> Know a quick way to cut sprites?
18:21:03  <oskari89> Usually at constuction stage, no-one has station nearby and nobody really looks at production amount.
18:21:37  <oskari89> If something more important has to be done, do it first :P
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18:22:04  <andythenorth> DanMacK: no quick way
18:22:12  <andythenorth> except wait for me to do it ;)
18:22:13  <oskari89> Photoshop?
18:22:18  <andythenorth> gets if off your plate
18:23:08  <DanMacK> Nahh I can do it
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18:23:55  <DanMacK> Not too much to do really
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18:24:20  <DanMacK> Bauxite mine will be easy since its modular
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18:35:40  <DanMacK> O
18:35:54  <DanMacK> Heading to work. Bbl :)
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18:45:32  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24673 /trunk/src/lang (4 files) (2012-11-08 18:45:23 UTC)
18:45:33  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:34  <DorpsGek> dutch - 3 changes by habell
18:45:35  <DorpsGek> finnish - 3 changes by jpx_
18:45:36  <DorpsGek> latvian - 13 changes by Parastais
18:45:37  <DorpsGek> luxembourgish - 94 changes by Phreeze
18:47:16  <Sacro> \o/
18:47:27  <oskari89> It's alive!
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19:08:36  <NGC3982> I have received glögg.
19:08:39  <NGC3982> My life is saved.
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19:33:32  <andythenorth> hmm
19:33:33  <andythenorth> foiled
19:33:42  <andythenorth> "Using spritesets with different sizes in a single sprite group / layout is not possible"
19:33:43  <andythenorth> :P
19:33:50  * andythenorth should have remembered that
19:34:06  <andythenorth> I'm trying to use one construction state spriteset for all industries :P
19:34:47  <Alberth> sounds a bit crowded that way :p
19:35:54  <andythenorth> it's rather fewer spritesets to define :P
19:36:22  <andythenorth> now I have to do 49 x (number of spritesets each industry type)
19:36:30  <andythenorth> which is quite a lot :)
19:36:55  <andythenorth> nvm
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19:47:12  <frosch123> andythenorth: nml 0.4!
19:47:17  <andythenorth> !
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19:47:55  <andythenorth> does the advanced layout spec actually allow for unequal spriteset lengths?
19:48:08  <frosch123> yes, it's on the roadmap for nml 0.4
19:48:10  <andythenorth> ah
19:48:12  <andythenorth> hmm
19:48:15  <andythenorth> I could wait
19:48:29  <frosch123> so, somewhen next year :p
19:50:54  <andythenorth> :P
19:51:01  <andythenorth> I can work around it
19:51:04  <andythenorth> it's just ugly :P
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20:01:44  <Wolf01> \o/
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20:02:53  <Rubidium> buona sera
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20:31:05  <frosch123> "note that scenario editor uses the last seed used until you hit the randomize button"
20:31:18  <frosch123> some things make me wonder whether they are intentional :p
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20:54:52  <Rubidium> frosch123: sounds like a design choice to experiment with some settings
20:56:38  <frosch123> well, but the redesign of the mapgen window dropped that button :p
20:56:47  <frosch123> because we considered it completely useless and stupid
20:58:57  <Rubidium> then get rid of it ;)
21:02:02  <planetmaker> hello
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21:41:07  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24674 trunk/src/network/core/tcp_content.cpp (2012-11-08 21:41:00 UTC)
21:41:08  <DorpsGek> -Fix (r24466, r23234) [FS#5358]: Downloaded heightmaps could not be used anymore. (sbr)
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21:47:00  <DorpsGek> Commit by michi_cc :: r24675 trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp (2012-11-08 21:46:54 UTC)
21:47:01  <DorpsGek> -Fix (r24632): MSVC performance warning.
21:50:08  <Zuu> Hehe, if you are bored, watch a YouTube video with sound off and the auto-generated closed captions. :-D
21:56:20  <Rubidium> pff... I'll just watch some minimoni ;)
21:56:42  <Zuu> They should apply an AI that tries to intreprete the words into sentences which will help it make better picks. And a long term memmory that knows the subject... :-p
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22:13:36  <Wolf01> 'night all
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22:16:37  <Kylie> hi.
22:16:41  <Kylie> i hid the uh
22:16:50  <Kylie> company/money thing at bottom
22:16:55  <Kylie> how do i show it
22:16:55  <Kylie> ?
22:18:47  <frosch123> resize the window
22:19:03  <frosch123> if it is hidden, it is some glitch
22:19:53  <Kylie> ah
22:19:55  <Kylie> thx
22:20:13  <Kylie> it was hidden from my view
22:20:25  <Kylie> but moved window up
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23:27:21  <frosch123> night
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