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00:12:37 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 00:26:43 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176109482.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 00:26:54 <drac_boy> hi 00:41:29 <Bad_Brett> hi drac_boy 00:43:02 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-067-176.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 00:46:27 <drac_boy> how doing Bad_Brett? 00:46:31 <drac_boy> being bad as usual? heh 00:46:52 <Bad_Brett> hehe 00:47:12 <Bad_Brett> nah, i'm fine thanks for asking 00:47:21 <Bad_Brett> what are you up to? 00:48:02 <Bad_Brett> i'm working on the BIG christmas update :) 00:48:09 <drac_boy> not much, just pondering some particular issues with the tracking table yet here 00:51:32 <Bad_Brett> sounds fun :) 00:53:20 <drac_boy> heh I don't know tbh :) 00:56:38 <Bad_Brett> well i wasn't entirely serious ;) 00:56:44 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:57:19 <Bad_Brett> "pondering some particular issues" is seldom fun 01:04:25 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-174.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:05:21 *** Superuser [~superuser@host81-156-239-16.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC.] 01:05:54 <drac_boy> heh :) 01:06:08 <drac_boy> at least I have enough other things on the table to work on rather than just sitting at these certain few :) 01:13:37 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 01:16:03 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:16:20 <drac_boy> Bad_Brett curious question for you tho - do you think animal and crop should be seperate raw industry or combining them doesn't really matter much to you? (the original farm combined them anyway) 01:25:11 *** Fuco [dota.keys@server.dasnet.cz] has joined #openttd 01:26:43 <V453000> I personally like the combining, because when you plan your traffic, you can easily expect 2 cargoes to have similar traffic - livestock and grain 01:26:53 <V453000> so if you drop them elsewhere you have the traffic nicely spread over the map already 01:27:38 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 01:28:16 <Bad_Brett> i'm personally gonna seperate them... 01:28:56 <Bad_Brett> divide them into grain farms and ranches 01:29:56 <Bad_Brett> but i guess it depends 01:36:54 <V453000> gameplay-wise that is boring as it makes industries behave all the same, but .. :) 01:38:29 <Bad_Brett> well not in my mod. things are gonna be messed up :) 01:39:14 <Bad_Brett> i'll probably come with a 100 page manual 01:47:37 <drac_boy> mm 01:56:39 <drac_boy> yeah I can see how some want it that way and others the other way now 02:00:03 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.96.124.122] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:00:30 <Pinkbeast> In practice with OTTD as it stands the easiest way to handle an industry with 2 outputs is darn nearly building 2 stations. 02:00:35 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 02:05:36 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 02:05:43 <drac_boy> heh 02:09:29 <Bad_Brett> btw is anyone watching the sandy relief concert? 02:16:05 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 02:17:14 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:19:05 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:21:54 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has left #openttd [] 02:22:11 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 02:41:36 *** roadt__ [~roadt@60.168.82.52] has joined #openttd 03:07:34 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye !] 03:30:16 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176109482.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 03:40:48 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-102-52.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:58:27 <DDR> Never heard of it. 05:00:46 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 05:01:03 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 05:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD49E2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 05:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC66FA3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:27:42 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:28:58 *** Bad_Brett [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 06:43:47 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 06:56:54 *** Pensacola [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 07:04:05 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 07:17:12 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 07:31:21 *** alandarev [~alandarev@5ad18a23.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 08:08:13 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 08:10:44 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 08:19:20 *** catpants [~catpants@174-25-48-78.ptld.qwest.net] has quit [] 08:31:33 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 08:32:41 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 08:33:18 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 08:37:02 <dihedral> hello 08:48:13 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:48:27 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 08:48:55 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-083-122.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 08:57:12 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:03:27 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-94-70.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 09:07:53 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:15:55 <peter1138> hi 09:29:17 *** alandarev [~alandarev@5ad18a23.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:42:31 *** SHADOW-XIII [3ef4be42@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:42:43 <SHADOW-XIII> I just found http://play-ttd.com/play/ - anyone aware of that ? 09:43:02 <SHADOW-XIII> couldn't find the link on the forums 09:43:03 <Flygon> Amusing 09:43:15 <Flygon> Anyone remember that thread about porting OpenTTD to being run in a browser? 09:43:41 <SHADOW-XIII> this one seems to be working amazingly well, can even save, shame no multiplayer but looks amazing 09:44:22 <Markk> I can't play it 09:44:23 <Markk> :< 09:44:26 <Markk> Just a black screen. 09:44:31 <Flygon> I'm using Chrome 09:44:48 <SHADOW-XIII> works for me on chrome 09:45:05 <SHADOW-XIII> Chromium 18.x 09:46:00 <Flygon> Scrolling is laggy 09:46:29 <SHADOW-XIII> works here, bit fast, but still, I am amazing how well it works 09:46:44 <Flygon> Oh man 09:46:48 <Flygon> Scrolling is buggy as hell 09:47:09 <Flygon> 23.x here 09:47:19 <Markk> Firefox 18 here. 09:48:55 <Ammler> does it run on the server or in the browser? 09:49:04 <Flygon> I am not used to original TTD graphics 09:51:29 *** SHADOW_XIII [3ef4be42@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:51:33 *** SHADOW-XIII [3ef4be42@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 09:51:38 <SHADOW_XIII> back ... 09:51:47 <SHADOW_XIII> did I miss anything last 5 min ? 09:52:41 <Markk> Yes. 09:52:43 <Ammler> you could always check the irc logs :-) 09:52:45 <Markk> The world collided. 09:53:31 <NGC3982> Morning. 09:54:35 <Eddi|zuHause> Markk: a collision kinda always requires 2 objects... ;) 09:55:48 <Markk> Yes. 09:55:56 <Markk> And everything tastes blue. 09:56:00 <Markk> taste like blue* 09:56:36 <Eddi|zuHause> "at night it's colder than outside" 09:56:52 <Markk> :) 09:57:58 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:59:15 <NGC3982> What a brown thursday. 10:01:40 <Eddi|zuHause> (if you speak german this is "related" http://faql.de/dunkel-wars.html :)) 10:01:54 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-174.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:05:37 <Flygon> Markk: Blue? Like Blues Clues? 10:46:41 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:48:14 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has joined #openttd 10:48:40 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:59:52 <Markk> Flygon: Everything just taste like blue. 10:59:57 <Flygon> Yum 10:59:59 <Markk> Flygon: Like the colour blue. 11:00:56 <Flygon> Yumyumyum 11:06:20 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:08:27 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 11:11:43 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 11:20:07 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-174.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 11:20:42 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-135-189.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: for the love of god this is not safe for work] 11:22:22 *** Devroush [~dennis@d5152695A.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:32:02 <SHADOW_XIII> lol, I don't have chat logs, using forum client :) 11:32:05 <SHADOW_XIII> at work now :P 11:32:58 *** SHADOW_XIII is now known as SHADOW-XIII 11:38:51 <NGC3982> We have a forum client? 11:55:35 <NGC3982> Uhm. What function stops town rating from increasing whilst planting trees? 11:55:39 <NGC3982> It seems to reach a limit. 11:57:44 <Markk> Can't get better than "good", right? 11:59:51 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176109482.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 12:00:03 <drac_boy> hi 12:12:45 <NGC3982> Markk: I don't know about that, i just noticed that the amount of trees planted resulted in higher rating is not linear. 12:12:49 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/o5Xa9.png 12:12:51 <NGC3982> Though 12:12:53 <NGC3982> Acceptable station layout? 12:13:50 <V453000> short curves are short 12:13:58 <NGC3982> Yes, i know. I keep ignoring the curves. 12:14:13 * NGC3982 notices he have forgotten a signal 12:14:35 <V453000> 2way PBS signal at terminus stations dont do anything 12:15:07 <drac_boy> hmm that sort of layout I would had probably taken almost all of it out except for the two through lines and redo it but thats me tho :) 12:16:39 <NGC3982> V453000: Hm, i see. 12:17:12 <peter1138> they do something 12:17:22 <V453000> only if the station is accessible from the other end, be it second entrance or a depot, it has a use 12:17:24 <peter1138> they're not necessary thouhg 12:17:33 <V453000> I totally dont understand why majority of people builds the 2way PBS at every terminus 12:17:43 <peter1138> i put them in cos i might expand it at some point, and it looks better 12:18:08 <V453000> how does that help expanding? :d like to the other end? 12:18:14 <NGC3982> Function and looks goes hand in glove with PBS. 12:18:39 <drac_boy> other thing is I only use single platform alone for deadend stations but if its more then it goes into a RORO unless crushed by limited space by town or mountain :) 12:19:04 <NGC3982> So, the next one: http://i.imgur.com/zirsn.png 12:19:28 <V453000> big PBS crosses never solve stuff "well" 12:19:30 <NGC3982> And yes, curves are shorter than my gentleman's sausage. 12:19:39 <drac_boy> ughh thats a big waste of tracks indeed V453000 12:19:44 <V453000> probably acceptable for your level of traffic 12:19:49 <NGC3982> That's a mess, but it works for the low amount of traffic. 12:19:55 <drac_boy> 'low' = one track 12:20:07 <V453000> it isnt about wasting tracks, it is about trains crossing each other on every occasion, which is very slow 12:20:19 <NGC3982> Although, i have to change it, since farm supplies are about to make production go Las Vegas. 12:20:24 <V453000> low = less than one track 12:20:30 <V453000> this wont work with 1 full traffic track ever 12:20:48 <peter1138> welcome to openttd, where people build how they like, even if it's not efficient or not pretty... 12:21:19 <NGC3982> It's not like i'm not enjoying the critisism 12:21:24 <drac_boy> V453000 I've managed to have one train each few days at a short platform and its only off one single track with no holding places in th RORO. but then mm :) 12:21:27 <NGC3982> That was what i was looking for :). 12:21:29 <V453000> in such cases they usually dont ask others what they think ;) 12:21:43 <NGC3982> But yes, ill try and change this 12:21:53 <NGC3982> First of, to get rid of the mainline crossing the PBS cross. 12:22:13 <V453000> you dont need to get rid of it perhaps, how about just making multiple smaller crosses 12:23:01 <V453000> like http://blog.openttdcoop.org/files/blog/V453000/ABR07_balanced_01.png from http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2010/09/28/advanced-building-revue-07-stations/ 12:25:35 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:25:41 <Flygon> I cbf using bridges for station entrances 12:25:50 <drac_boy> cbf? 12:25:58 <peter1138> can't be fucked 12:26:00 <Flygon> can't be frakked 12:26:06 <Flygon> Thanks for the honesty, peter 12:26:12 <V453000> why not? :D 12:26:17 <drac_boy> heh heh 12:26:27 <Flygon> Too much pain for a low amount of gain, given how I design my network 12:26:38 <V453000> low amount of gain? 12:26:42 <Flygon> I rarely get collisions, unless I do something unusual 12:26:43 <V453000> what do you do when your station jams then 12:26:44 <Flygon> Yes 12:26:48 <Flygon> Well 12:26:52 <drac_boy> flygon I do sometimes use short bridges for passenger station junctions ... basically doing what in real life they would call "flyover track" 12:26:54 <Flygon> I design around jams... until they do happen 12:27:06 <drac_boy> not sure if theres more than one spelling of that word in different country but I hope you get the idea? 12:27:06 <peter1138> if it jams you've made a mistake 12:27:07 <NGC3982> V453000: That's nice, but i don't like tunnels and bridges used as station entrances. 12:27:17 <NGC3982> V453000: As an esthetical thing. 12:27:18 <Flygon> In which case, I clearly need to redesign the station (and have a lower speed track surrounding) 12:27:25 <NGC3982> Although, that seems to be a very good idea 12:27:27 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/fT1k8.png 12:27:33 <V453000> I dont think I can help you in any way which makes sense then 12:27:33 <NGC3982> Here is the mainline change 12:27:44 <drac_boy> flygon or shall I find a photo instead? 12:27:57 <Flygon> drac_boy: We use flyover tracks irl 12:28:04 <Flygon> Er 12:28:06 <Flygon> In Australia 12:28:07 <Flygon> Derp 12:28:09 <drac_boy> yeah ok just wanted check you knew the term :) 12:28:23 <drac_boy> flygon one moment..let me make a quick mockup... 12:28:25 *** brambles [lechuck@s0.barwen.ch] has joined #openttd 12:28:37 <NGC3982> Also 12:28:38 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/835wS.png 12:28:50 <NGC3982> I added a small step for trains suddenly going the wrong way. 12:28:52 <Flygon> I'll need to show a screenshot of a typical design 12:29:03 <Flygon> But basically... I do allow for easy 2-way 2-train movement 12:29:08 <NGC3982> I noticed that small pieces like that make huge differences when auto-replacing trains and similar. 12:29:13 <Flygon> And ANY jams are very brief 12:29:35 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/2jG1l.png 12:29:36 <NGC3982> And that. 12:30:07 <Flygon> Gah, load faster, OpenTTD 12:30:23 <peter1138> Downloading Time 4m left Bytes 443.54 MB remaining Speed 1.86 mB/s 12:30:26 <V453000> :DD wtf is that? 12:30:26 <peter1138> That's annoying 12:30:37 <peter1138> mixing MB and mB in the same line ;( 12:30:54 <NGC3982> It says byte in both places. 12:30:59 <NGC3982> sais/says? 12:31:00 <NGC3982> says. 12:31:04 <NGC3982> Says.* 12:31:25 <peter1138> that too 12:31:40 <peter1138> i'm assuming it was once multiline with :s 12:32:02 <peter1138> NGC3982, of course, that signal leaving the station shouldn't be there 12:32:34 <NGC3982> I know, but it feels ..better. 12:32:35 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 12:32:37 <NGC3982> For some reason. 12:32:47 <peter1138> it's wrong for pbs 12:33:45 <V453000> I am afraid he doesnt use other signals than pbs 12:33:52 <peter1138> good 12:33:53 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:33:56 <peter1138> pbs is all you need 12:34:06 <peter1138> the others were only left in for compatibility with old saves 12:34:10 <V453000> yes if your iq is somewhere around 15 12:34:11 <Flygon> Uploading my standard layouts to Dropbox... 12:34:21 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 12:34:25 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:34:32 <Flygon> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2651992/Art/Other/openttdtracklayoutmassive.png https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2651992/Art/Other/openttdtracklayoutstandardhub.png How Flygon does it :p 12:34:55 <V453000> thats not very creative either ... one cross 12:35:16 <NGC3982> <@peter1138> the others were only left in for compatibility with old saves 12:35:21 <NGC3982> Really? 12:35:27 <Flygon> V45: Save savings 12:35:34 <NGC3982> I thought they were left in there for adversity 12:35:39 <NGC3982> And plain fun. 12:35:39 <Flygon> Considering the amount of pass I'll get, I can justify the potential (small) lockups 12:35:45 <V453000> of course not, pre-signals have a lot more possibilities than PBS 12:36:10 <peter1138> the original patch with the current pbs form had only pbs signals 12:36:17 <Flygon> And the 2nd one is acutally WIP 12:36:45 <NGC3982> When i play 1800-ish UKRS2+ scenarios, i always use the older type of signals (and block signals) before the 1900's. 12:36:50 <NGC3982> Just for the sake of it. 12:37:06 <drac_boy> oh wait I had an old image I took from someone's game...one moment to upload it... 12:37:50 <peter1138> NGC3982, i think you mean diversity, but i'll go with adversity too ;) 12:38:17 <NGC3982> peter1138: Yes of course. 12:38:19 <NGC3982> Sorry. 12:38:26 <NGC3982> The said "adversity" on Top Gear. 12:38:35 <NGC3982> Don't write something else. 12:38:39 <NGC3982> .. 12:38:48 <NGC3982> Don't write while doing something else. 12:39:13 <peter1138> hmm 12:39:20 <peter1138> this newgrf scanning lark takes way too long 12:39:27 <peter1138> who the hell introduced that? :( 12:40:12 <drac_boy> probably someone who couldn't manage his grf folder? 12:40:23 * drac_boy only has a few major grfs anyhow 12:41:29 <V453000> the worst comes when you have many versions of each newGRF 12:43:53 * NGC3982 have never managed a NewGRF folder. 12:44:23 <V453000> how do you do that anyway :d 12:44:42 <NGC3982> Exactly. :D 12:44:59 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/UjuEY.png 12:45:03 <NGC3982> Next project 12:45:30 <NGC3982> For some reason, i have never really used the same station for dropoff as for pickup 12:46:23 <V453000> this station works pretty well, but yes, sharing drop and pickup isnt a good choice 12:47:52 <NGC3982> Not too much ability to expand, but milk/livestock doesn't really pay off expanding anyway. 12:51:02 <drac_boy> http://i45.tinypic.com/aazwbs.jpg theres a bit of other forms too including ones with no offseting .. and my favorite tho is using tunnels with diagonal tracks right on top (aka no S curve which openttd always needs....come on fix that!) 12:51:13 <V453000> more trains = more fun, always pays off 12:51:22 <drac_boy> I've never had any problem with one train alwasy coming through each 1-5 days but mm to our own 12:51:54 <V453000> that is a cute solution drac_boy, but as long as the "X" is small enough to not limit platform throughput, it is a sufficient solution 12:51:54 <NGC3982> drac_boy: that's nice :). 12:52:11 <drac_boy> V453000 actually the 'x' does jam all the times 12:52:23 <drac_boy> because of train A trying to get to line 2 while train B is waiting for it...no good :) 12:53:01 <V453000> not if it is small enough, for like 2 or 3 platforms 12:53:19 <drac_boy> NGC3982 ty .. if it was for freights I rather use RORO instead...easier to manage signalling that way 12:53:31 <drac_boy> with towns its only because one end of the station always butts into buildings so mm 12:53:48 <drac_boy> V453000 yes it is 12:53:50 <NGC3982> drac_boy: RORO? 12:54:21 <V453000> this is a solution on the same basis but a bit cleaned up so it fits in larger scale :) http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/images/6/6f/Psg204_steelmill.png 12:54:22 <drac_boy> if i was to change that junction to a X I would have to pratically sell half of the trains off to avoid constant jams...and guess what? less loads coming out of the station.. no good :| 12:54:31 <Pinkbeast> NGC: Trains enter at one end of the station and leave by the other. 12:54:48 <NGC3982> peter1138: Ah. 12:54:49 <drac_boy> NGC3982 I thought old players would already know :p Roll-In-Roll-Out .. hell even the old wiki still has it 12:54:53 <drac_boy> heh 12:55:01 <NGC3982> I used that the first five years of OpenTTD 12:55:04 <NGC3982> Until i got bored 12:55:09 <peter1138> ? 12:55:25 <NGC3982> Never heard the word, though. 12:55:25 <Pinkbeast> Also it does look terribly artificial for stations in towns. 12:55:37 <NGC3982> peter1138: Sorry, i'm hilighting you by mistake again. 12:55:40 <NGC3982> Pinkbeast: * 12:55:47 <peter1138> drac_boy, roll-on, roll-off. comes from ferries 12:56:04 <peter1138> it's not a term used irl 12:56:09 <NGC3982> RORO seams to be a good thing for freight, though a bit bulky for PAX in towns. 12:56:09 <peter1138> (for stations) 12:57:04 <drac_boy> NGC3982 true...it works for freight also because of their length too 12:57:11 <V453000> what I meant to show you drac_boy was this though https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20419525/Thomson%20%26%20Co.%2C%202413-01-14.png ... it works pretty much the same way as your "X-less terminus" but a lot faster and smaller 12:57:30 <NGC3982> drac_boy: True. 12:57:31 <V453000> NGC3982: you can always hide a roro exit in tunnels ;) 12:57:42 <NGC3982> V453000: ;-) 12:57:48 <drac_boy> eg a 26-cars train rolling back through the shared enter/exit junction would make some issues but .. if it went out the other end .. problem solved :) 12:58:03 <drac_boy> it only work for pax because of these usually being of short lengths and/or fast to clear out 12:59:49 * NGC3982 is starting to enjoy using <5-tile trains for pax 13:00:08 <Flygon> drac_boy: I've perfected overkill 13:00:11 <drac_boy> NGC3982 mind you once in a while theres no need for a bridge on a rail crossing because theres only 1 train using each line ... thats where I don't care for flat junctions then 13:00:23 <Flygon> Two GG-1's (on opposite ends) for long distance rail passenger 13:00:32 <NGC3982> drac_boy: I usually experiment with flat crossings. 13:00:36 <Flygon> The only thing suitable is that it's doing a loop around the North American lakes :B 13:00:54 <NGC3982> Though, it f*cks stuff up as soon as you increase the number of trains by N. 13:01:17 <drac_boy> NGC3982 in usa it was kinda common to eg have a local light line cross a major mainline by having a swinging barrier gate that blocked the light line till train came to a stop and phoned dispatcher for clearance to unlock the gate and swing it into blocking the mainline for a few minutes as the train crossed by 13:01:28 <NGC3982> oh, ok 13:01:56 <drac_boy> NGC3982 it was not worth the cost and yearly cost of putting in light signals when theres so few trains on a weekly basis...much cheaper for the one lone train to just stop and clear through 13:02:04 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/omAIn.png 13:02:07 <NGC3982> Something like that 13:02:15 <NGC3982> Useful as long as you use like ..two trains or something. 13:03:11 <drac_boy> I didn't mean a connected junction .. I meant like in literally a '+' shape :) 13:03:18 <drac_boy> just so you know if that wasn't the case 13:03:49 <NGC3982> Oh, jeez. 13:03:49 <NGC3982> :D 13:06:34 <drac_boy> NGC3982 in some places there was little traffic and the crossing was remote ... it was purely a "stop and proceed" ironically 13:06:47 <drac_boy> almost exactly like any 4-way-yields road intersections 13:07:39 <drac_boy> speeds were usually 30-60km/h so .. who cared ... you could see it for several seconds before your first axle finally touched it 13:07:58 <V453000> what do you guys even do when you reach 2295 production/month industry 13:08:20 <V453000> dont tell me you dont need throughput at that point 13:08:48 <drac_boy> 2295 what? tonnes? 13:09:36 <NGC3982> drac_boy: I see. 13:09:53 <NGC3982> V453000: You mean, when reaching max production? 13:09:55 <V453000> units, tonnes, items, whatever 13:10:07 <V453000> pretty much, or anywhere close to it 13:10:34 <drac_boy> NGC3982 mind you there was one unusual junction in usa....it was to do with the limited lands what with kinda being in a valley shared with large river.... 13:11:07 <drac_boy> what happens is lets say the river runs west-east ... mainline is on the south bank parallel to it .. and you want to run another line heading northeast on other side ... 13:11:59 <drac_boy> so what actually happened was a train coming from east ... it would actually hit a turnout that went left for a bit ... then start swing hard to the right in a tight curve .. and cross the mainline track itself before finally rambling onto the bridge 13:12:13 <drac_boy> talk about having no space to just turn right immedately .. the bank was too close 13:14:02 <drac_boy> signals on that one was a little more complicated than normal because the train's axles may have cleared the mainline but it was still technically fouling it with rolling through the crossover 13:14:30 <NGC3982> Oh 13:14:31 <NGC3982> Haha 13:14:58 <drac_boy> NGC3982 do you get the idea tho? the track crossed itself basically 13:16:15 <NGC3982> Yes 13:16:17 <NGC3982> I guess 13:16:24 <Flygon> Okay, I gotta sleep 13:16:25 <Flygon> Night, peeps 13:16:28 <drac_boy> oh and of course CSX actually has one "old" problem that started more than 80 years ago ... what happened was north-south line is at one elevation .. west-east is at another elevation low enough to have to use a tunnel (not a bridge!) instead .... 13:16:29 <NGC3982> Flygon: Kisses. 13:16:33 <NGC3982> :D 13:16:36 <Flygon> Kisses? Not enough, dear 13:17:08 <NGC3982> ;( 13:17:21 <drac_boy> and they wanted to connect the two for occassional train so what happened was they put in a single switchback to hold down the grade .... but this temporary solution actually became permament instead ... and even CSX is still leaving it as it is 13:18:08 <drac_boy> makes for interesting operation with modern diesel ... basically pull into the switchback....then clear the other route with dispatcher ... back train up blind (theres no more cabooses eh?) to the other line .. then finally reset brakes to proceed on forward as usual 13:22:57 <drac_boy> NGC3982 here http://www.railpictures.net/images/d1/7/1/8/4718.1343098043.jpg the train is backing up into the switchback to then proceed downhill to the right to reach the other line 13:23:29 <drac_boy> intrestingly enough the switchback is long enough for at least 110 cars now ... heh 13:24:06 <NGC3982> Ok 13:24:23 <drac_boy> NGC3982 I can't imagine what it would be like in europe if they were stuck with a switchback operation tho 13:24:29 <drac_boy> different schedules and rules etc 13:24:32 <drac_boy> :) 13:29:01 <NGC3982> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BWAK0J8Uhzk 13:29:08 <NGC3982> Speaking of. 13:36:34 <NGC3982> Oh 13:36:35 <NGC3982> Wait 13:36:55 <NGC3982> Using a depot as a real order is really nice if you want to "pre-build" trains for expansions 13:37:11 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/DBbGy.png 13:37:34 <NGC3982> Since profit is not the main purpose of that station, i can build ten trains at once and just wait for the Farm Supplies to do the work. 13:38:08 <drac_boy> not sure if I'm missing something just yet but do you have to stay with one wagon length or can you eg have it 20px long with one cargo class but 17px instead with another cargo class? 13:39:34 <Eddi|zuHause> you can do overflow depots without explicit orders 13:39:58 <Eddi|zuHause> drac_boy: yes, that is possible 13:40:12 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: Yes, but that's not ..right. 13:40:18 <NGC3982> Doesn't feel proper. 13:40:20 <NGC3982> Or something 13:40:49 * NGC3982 wish he could use drive-trough depots 13:40:50 <V453000> well drawn form and "coded" form the wagons differs too 13:40:51 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: you can charge extra for the rebuilding effort :) 13:41:00 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: ;) 13:41:01 <V453000> for example I have all wagons equally long but the sprites differ in sizes 13:41:10 <drac_boy> thanks eddi, was just wondering about the problem of ore being much heavier than coal 13:41:27 <NGC3982> Afaik, drive-trough depots are not constructable with NewGRF? 13:41:33 <NGC3982> s/with/via/ 13:41:40 <V453000> is normal depot not enough? 13:41:53 <Eddi|zuHause> drac_boy: i'd do separate wagons in that case anyway 13:42:01 <NGC3982> V453000: That was not the question. 13:42:03 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/o4c97.png 13:42:06 <NGC3982> That should do it. 13:42:25 <drac_boy> yeah I'm thinking about that option too ... hopper for most bulk loads except seperate shorty ones for ore alone 13:42:25 <NGC3982> V453000: Does it look better then before? :) 13:42:58 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: those engines are horribly misaligned 13:43:04 <drac_boy> I'm not surprised that usa had a lot of these short (not sure if theres another name for them) brown hopper cars specifically for ore alone 13:43:24 <V453000> NGC3982: sorry ,it is equally horrible, overflow depot doesnt improve the throughput of the station 13:43:35 <NGC3982> V453000: ;-( 13:43:47 <V453000> but hey, no bridges ftw 13:44:07 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: Yes, OpenGFX+ grain/sugar beet wagons and engines from the Dutch Replacement Set. 13:44:17 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: how much "throughput" does a primary industry station need? 13:44:31 <NGC3982> Unfortunately, the Dutch Replacement Set wagons have way to excessive speed limits. 13:45:03 <V453000> not too much Eddi but if he asks what could be done better on a primary station ... ;) 13:45:44 <NGC3982> V453000: The troughput is not the primary deer i hunt, when building a overflow depot. I wish to use it to prevent queues on my mainline, but still be able to expand the amount of trains visiting the station without having to deal with it while production increases. 13:46:02 <NGC3982> Sure, a RORO station would be more effective 13:47:26 <V453000> well then, if you hunt overflows, http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2010/04/26/advanced-building-revue-04-overflows/ http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2010/11/07/advanced-building-revue-08-overflows-ii/ http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2012/06/28/advanced-building-revue-12-overflows-iii/ 13:48:14 <NGC3982> Ill read trough it, thank you. 13:48:38 <V453000> yw 14:10:01 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 14:11:52 <SHADOW-XIII> so, noone knows who's responsible for http://play-ttd.com/play/ ? 14:12:24 <Eddi|zuHause> no. 14:12:54 <Eddi|zuHause> (really, you could simply use the search function in the forum or something) 14:13:33 <__ln___> sir tim berners-lee is responsible for the http:// part. 14:13:35 <SHADOW-XIII> are you serious? have you tried searching for it yourself ? 14:15:53 <SHADOW-XIII> had to use google, found it at http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1033089#p1033089 14:16:12 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:17:19 <Eddi|zuHause> besides of the search being horribly slow, when i enter "play-ttd.com" [including the ""] i get exactly one result... 14:38:53 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:45:51 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:45:52 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09:02 <drac_boy> hm is a conflat just a flatcar with container latch frame built into the surface? 15:22:41 <drac_boy> apparently so...only in uk for a short time too 15:23:53 *** alandarev [~alandarev@5ad18a23.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:26:20 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:43:45 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p4FEDCA9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:53:22 *** Pensacola [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:59:49 *** dada_ [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:15:54 * NGC3982 tries to figure out how to send a train between two stations with 30 days apart. 16:17:01 <drac_boy> heh trying to get a specific payment rate? :) 16:17:16 <NGC3982> No, i'm delivering supplies. 16:18:00 <drac_boy> ohh that monthly thing 16:18:11 <drac_boy> hm well which vehicle grfs are you using? 16:18:29 <NGC3982> Dutch Replacement Set 16:18:46 <NGC3982> Though, i just noticed that it took several months at max speed 16:18:52 <NGC3982> So ill need to experiment with faster trains. 16:18:58 <drac_boy> don't know whats in there so not sure I could help much sorry 16:19:07 <NGC3982> Ah, there we are 16:19:09 <NGC3982> 17 days. 16:19:25 <NGC3982> Engineering supplies every 34 days should be enough. 16:22:26 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/5K9aE.png 16:22:29 <NGC3982> That should do it. 16:27:24 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/LvZQe.png 16:27:31 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 16:27:51 <NGC3982> When taking a look at this order table. The train does not leave when it has loaded more than 1%. It fills up completely and leaves full. 16:28:05 <NGC3982> Can i set the train to only load 1% and then leave? 16:28:16 <NGC3982> (Or closest to 1%) 16:32:51 <drac_boy> NGC3982 as I recall the mini-in (or was that chrill? I forgot which had what anymore heh) let you set from 0% to 100% loading in tens ... it was a really nice idea :/ 16:33:44 <NGC3982> Oh, ok. 16:35:39 *** FLHerne [~quassel@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:56:09 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 17:01:20 <drac_boy> btw I don't know if theres any other solutions to this but I was wondering about having a tiny grf that only basically has one 0ton wagon with no speed limit and no visible sprites for as a mean to be able to use autoreplace to strip now-useless brakevans and whats not out of a train? 17:01:34 <drac_boy> right now it seem the only way is to manually stop trains in depot and take it off yourself 17:04:25 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:05:55 <Pinkbeast> It would be better to have a more general consist replacement tool. 17:06:19 * NGC3982 builds more tracks. 17:06:31 <drac_boy> Pinkbeast hmm like how would you describe that? 17:09:00 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:09:20 <NGC3982> This is actually quite hard 17:09:42 <NGC3982> When adding a new line to a complete and well-runned circle system, it's almost impossible not to confuse one or two trains 17:10:35 <NGC3982> In my case, it usually mean confusing one or two hundred trains. 17:14:53 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Quit: Quitting.] 17:15:41 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 17:33:00 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcdce.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:33:58 <Ammler> Eddi|zuHause: I am fixing cets push building already ;-) 17:37:32 *** tycoondemon [tycoondemo@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 17:37:41 *** tycoondemon [tycoondemo@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:39:04 <Eddi|zuHause> Ammler: it certainly is oberhÃŒmer's fault :p 17:39:36 <Eddi|zuHause> no... someone should "fix" nml so i can do partial compiles... :/ 17:41:36 <Ammler> it was an error caused because we do not cleanup build environement anymore, and I upgraded to opensuse 12.2 (Tumbleweed) 17:42:48 <Ammler> maybe we should use Factory for the build env 17:43:54 <Ammler> I hoped the distro upgrade hassle is gone with Tumbleweed, but sadly it is still based on current release 17:44:58 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:45:52 * drac_boy keeps wishing there weren't always overhead wires with the cursing trams -_- 17:49:31 *** sla_ro|vista [slaco@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 17:49:41 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:51:47 *** sla_ro|master [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:53:48 <drac_boy> hm anyway had enough of poking around with things..going off for a while now -_- 17:53:51 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176109482.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 17:58:18 *** roadt__ [~roadt@60.168.82.52] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:59:00 *** Wuzzy [~Wuzzy@p549F9F6C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:01:06 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:01:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:11:27 *** Psyk [~Psyk@ip-78-102-228-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:14:09 *** Devroush [~dennis@d5152695A.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 18:18:05 * NGC3982 changes name from Henrik Johansson to Henrik ZugfÃŒhrer. 18:20:19 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:21:49 <Eddi|zuHause> "ZugfÃŒhrer" is (usually) the lead conductor (unless there is no conductor on the train) 18:22:24 *** SHADOW-XIII [3ef4be42@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 18:22:36 <peter1138> what if there's no orchestra? 18:23:39 <Eddi|zuHause> what if there's no tree in the woods? :) 18:27:09 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B4BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:33:19 <NGC3982> Seriosly, that's a name in real terminology? 18:33:43 <peter1138> then it wouldn't be woods 18:34:12 <NGC3982> "FÃŒhrer" is a word well set in the Swedish language. 18:34:34 <NGC3982> Really only known for one thing (except giggles). 18:39:40 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:39:43 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:40:13 <Alberth> moin 18:41:20 *** WernerRobbentueter [~5080ae6d@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 18:45:33 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24819 /trunk/src/lang (4 files) (2012-12-13 18:45:23 UTC) 18:45:34 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:35 <DorpsGek> basque - 3 changes by lutxiketa 18:45:36 <DorpsGek> malay - 51 changes by richz 18:45:37 <DorpsGek> polish - 3 changes by wojteks86 18:45:38 <DorpsGek> russian - 1 changes by Lone_Wolf 18:50:52 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B4BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57:18 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host115-94-dynamic.180-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:57:22 <Wolf01> hello 18:58:19 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 19:07:59 <Alberth> hello 19:09:32 <murr4y> hello 19:32:33 <peter1138> hello 19:41:41 <Terkhen> hello 19:44:18 <__ln___> hello 19:45:23 <Prof_Frink> hello 19:51:10 <FLHerne> hello 19:53:03 *** WernerRobbentueter [~5080ae6d@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:54:17 <Alberth> why is it so quiet here nowadays? 19:55:17 <Terkhen> eight hellos isn't quiet :P 19:56:54 <FLHerne> Because everyone ran out of things to say? 19:57:19 <Alberth> in the course of a few weeks? 19:57:38 <FLHerne> We should just wait until andythenorth pops up and needs convincing not to drop some feature/plan/project again :P 19:58:08 <Terkhen> it was better when he wanted to do crazy stuff :P 19:58:11 <FLHerne> Alberth: Did anything new happen that would inspire conversation in the last few weeks? 19:58:14 <Terkhen> that creates better discussions 19:58:23 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:59:07 <Alberth> FLHerne: not in this channel :p 19:59:14 <FLHerne> Terkhen: He does seem to be doing about as much as would be sane already :P 19:59:35 <Terkhen> nah 19:59:54 <Terkhen> two years ago it was quite more frequent, and with more random topics 19:59:54 <FLHerne> BANDIT/CHIPS/HEQS/FIRS/Pixa/? :o 20:00:07 * FLHerne wishes he was as productive :P 20:00:19 <Rubidium> so, you want a conversation 20:00:21 <Alberth> so what are you doing now? 20:00:38 <Rubidium> who's going to do the releases? I fear I don't have time for them :( 20:04:50 <Terkhen> not that I have much time lately either, but if there is some page explaining the process we (we=devs) could take turns on doing them or split the tasks somehow 20:05:07 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.96.124.38] has joined #openttd 20:05:10 * Terkhen is blissfully unaware of the whole release process 20:05:35 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 20:06:41 <Rubidium> Terkhen: http://wiki.openttd.org/?title=To_do_for_release (especially the prerelease stuff takes a lot of time) 20:06:52 <Terkhen> let's see 20:07:22 <Rubidium> i.e. backporting (not needed for betas) and updating the changelog (hell for beta1) 20:08:46 <frosch123> Terkhen: the big task is writing the changelog :) 20:08:57 <Rubidium> as you need to go through all commits from branch of 1.2 and then see whether it's a new feature not backported, whether it's a bugfix for a bug existing before the branching (i.e. not fixing a trunk only bug, i.e. a bug that didn't make it to a released version) 20:09:08 <frosch123> all features, changes, unbackported fixes since february :p 20:09:35 <Rubidium> normally I did that when I had some free time and felt like doing it, but I haven't felt that way 20:10:08 <Terkhen> I would not mind updating the changelog this time, depending on how much time I have to do it :P 20:10:09 <Rubidium> so it was an incremental process that didn't feel like that much work 20:10:24 <Terkhen> it should only take me... a week or something :D 20:11:01 <frosch123> i guess one would start with a script, which reads the commitlog and filters all revisions which are mentioned in the 1.2. backports :p 20:11:50 <Terkhen> that's a good start, yes :) 20:12:02 <Zuu> Rubidium: Is that To_do_for_release page supposed to exist? I get a page that allow me to create it. 20:12:15 <Rubidium> add an s ;) 20:12:59 <Terkhen> I could adapt pm's script (meant for NewGRFs) to work with OpenTTD's changelog and to remove revisions mentioned as backported too, that should trim the work a bit 20:14:21 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.jkit.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:15:09 <Terkhen> I'll start looking into it this sunday :) 20:16:39 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: there's also a "TriebfahrzeugfÃŒhrer" (informally "LokfÃŒhrer"), which is the guy who is actually driving (he may also be the "ZugfÃŒhrer" in case he's alone on the train or it has automatic doors) 20:17:22 <frosch123> isn't zugfÃŒhrer always the driver? while zugchef is the conductor? 20:17:29 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: no 20:18:20 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: anyway, "FÃŒhrer" is too common of a word to get rid of just because one guy rode it to death :p 20:20:38 <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: also, these terminologies are usually way older :) 20:23:13 <michi_cc> Where was the FÃŒhrerbremsventil when you needed it? :p 20:31:40 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:32:48 <Eddi|zuHause> michi_cc: it would still have taken someone to actually use it... 20:43:00 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: Hehe. 20:43:28 <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: Well, "fÃŒhrer" does not mean anything else but nazi stuff, for your average Swede. 20:45:23 <NGC3982> It's stupid, yes. 20:45:25 <NGC3982> But yeah. 20:45:28 <NGC3982> I love the word, though. 20:45:33 <NGC3982> So very, very german 20:47:40 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 20:47:41 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:48:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B4BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 20:50:40 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@2001:828:405:30:83:96:177:42] has joined #openttd 20:52:34 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176109482.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 20:52:44 <drac_boy> hi 20:53:21 <Terkhen> hi drac_boy 20:55:09 <drac_boy> how doing? 20:56:00 <Terkhen> it's been a tiring week, the only good thing is that it is almost ending :P 20:56:53 <drac_boy> heh 21:00:31 <drac_boy> you much for talking about ingame vehicles or not really? 21:01:07 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:01:28 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:01:36 <Terkhen> @get #openttd 3 21:01:36 <DorpsGek> Terkhen: Don't ask to ask, just ask 21:01:38 <Terkhen> :P 21:03:14 <drac_boy> heh 21:04:32 <drac_boy> well terkhen what do you think about having triple level coaches in the game even although in real l ife they probably would be slow to load from ground level and be a bit tippy etc (both of which doesn't apply in a frictious game anyway) 21:05:09 <frosch123> maybe you can solve the loading times by making them self-discharging 21:05:23 *** Flygon_ [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 21:06:06 <Terkhen> it may be because I'm tired, but I'm having trouble in making sense of your sentence... what's a triple level coach? 21:06:42 <drac_boy> maybe...terkhen three floors ... as compared to doubledeck (or bilevel as usa sometimes calls it) cars 21:06:51 <Terkhen> oh 21:06:51 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:06:58 <drac_boy> frosch123 good one...I'm sure these 1px people wouldn't mind that :P 21:07:01 <Terkhen> I have never seen one of those 21:07:02 <drac_boy> heh heh 21:07:06 <Terkhen> :P 21:07:22 <drac_boy> Terkhen thats the point tbh...what do you think of having triple level coaches *in* the game? ;) 21:07:31 <Terkhen> with regard to road vehicle sets, I prefer simplicity over too many choices 21:07:35 <frosch123> drac_boy: if you make the (n+1)-th floor have half the size of the n-th floor you can fit infinitely many into one wagon 21:07:49 <frosch123> s/size/height/ 21:07:57 <drac_boy> frosch123 mm 21:07:57 <Terkhen> I would be happy with "faster, a bit more expensive and less capacity bus" and "slower, cheaper and high capacity bus", probably 21:08:04 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 21:09:00 <drac_boy> terkhen well I guess if you want to be extreme about it... single-floor bus with high speed since it can corner a bit hard ... double deck thats ok on speed but not good for long distance ... and triple deck thats slow but perfectly good for a loop circuit inside a dense city :) 21:09:03 <frosch123> but maybe you just want to increase the capacity with the new meatgrinder+reassembling technology 21:09:05 <drac_boy> or something like that 21:10:03 <Terkhen> inside cities, trams or metro trains would be better IMO 21:10:26 <drac_boy> frosch123 you sure came up with a rather amusing idea. if you want to be futuristic about it you should borrow something from the Stargate:Atlantic tv show and basically have a computer box with external scanner/remateralizer that can fit 200 people into the space of a small crate? 21:10:48 <drac_boy> if you know that tv series ... its the computer used aboard the Dart (as its called) ships 21:11:20 <frosch123> well, i was more thinking of ijon tichy 21:11:52 <frosch123> disassembling and assembling people into dust for transport 21:12:14 <drac_boy> mm 21:12:17 <frosch123> and if something gets losts. no worries, there is always some replacement dust around 21:14:28 <Terkhen> heh, ijon tichy stories are awesome :P 21:14:39 <Terkhen> even if whenever I read them I feel like I'm losing a lot in the translation 21:14:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i only know the TV version of that 21:15:16 <frosch123> i have the book lying around, but did get around to actually read it 21:15:39 <Eddi|zuHause> very sci-fi-trash TV :) 21:15:44 <drac_boy> frosch123 you know...I only saw still pictures taken from the movie by users but theres actually a triple deck bus in one of the middle series harry potter movie 21:15:54 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: good trash is the best :) 21:16:05 <drac_boy> we only see the first floor most of the times but we could see some minor details of the other two floors in it too tho 21:16:19 <Eddi|zuHause> are they producing a 3rd season? 21:16:30 <frosch123> only saw the first one was well :p 21:16:45 <frosch123> -w 21:16:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i've seen the 2nd season 21:17:04 <Eddi|zuHause> was... strange... 21:17:06 <drac_boy> the funny thing tho was how that bus could weave in and out of traffic lanes without leaning over too much but I'm sure that they shot it in slow motion then sped it up on the screen 21:17:11 <drac_boy> that or doing it completely digitally 21:17:32 <drac_boy> there is NO way a triple deck bus could do that without completely flopping over :) 21:17:33 <frosch123> drac_boy: easy, just keep the bus in place, and move the road 21:18:10 <drac_boy> frosch123 that would be tricky to do with the traffics I think, but I don't know how they shot these scenes so I wouldn't debate it tho 21:18:31 <FLHerne> drac_boy: It didn't even fall over when it halved in width (including the passengers :P) 21:18:35 <drac_boy> that part where the purple bus squashed to only 2-3ft width (magic maybe? heh) to squeeze between other two buses was a bit crazy tho 21:19:04 <frosch123> pff, why make it big outside if you need the room inside 21:19:13 <drac_boy> FLHerne I liked the part where as soon as it got back to normal width it suddenly sped up a lot with a loud backfire .. and we even saw the flame-barking exhaust port too :) 21:19:20 <frosch123> s/room/space/ 21:19:35 <drac_boy> or how about coming to an abrupt halt in front of a parked car .. and still set off its alarm anyway 21:19:43 <drac_boy> that one bus was quite silly 21:21:28 <Zuu> Some days ago, I got a bright idea and wrote a draft for how to allow GSs to create custom GUIs. (mainly for the purpose of adding GUIs for their own logic - not to replace existing GUI) http://wiki.openttd.org/Script_Custom_Window 21:21:33 <drac_boy> frosch123 as I recall there were standard cot beds spread around on the first floor...so it may be the other two floors were more bedding space or for other purposes? again I don't really know tbh :) 21:22:07 <Zuu> Though, there is still many things to figure out and then code. Allowing it to work also for multiplayer and network synchronization scares me a bit :-) 21:22:20 <frosch123> Zuu: i read it :) 21:22:34 <frosch123> but i think you make it work in multiplayer you have to make it more like the strings 21:22:40 <frosch123> and put the windows into the savegame 21:22:48 <frosch123> and only add some few dynamic contents via commands 21:24:08 <frosch123> Zuu: but, i miss the usecase where to use those windows :) 21:24:26 <frosch123> is it meant as a more advances gsquestion? 21:24:43 <frosch123> or more like additonal info to the goal gui? 21:25:01 <frosch123> i.e. who triggers opening of the window? the script or a client? 21:25:01 <Zuu> You mean that the window types (eg. widget tree) go into savegame. There might also need to be a list of visible windows (eg. instances of window types) Then the live data for visible windows is the onyl thing to pass around using commands. 21:25:42 <Zuu> I would like the tutorial to inject a button/window somewhere that allow users to recall the last tutorial message. 21:26:02 <frosch123> tutorial is only singleplayer 21:26:17 <Zuu> The only way I can do that now is to create a GSQuestion window that appears in the center of the screen and ask the user to move it to a better place. 21:26:28 <frosch123> singleplayer always has only one human client 21:26:51 <frosch123> multiplayer otoh is very different, it may have no human clients at all, or they might join somewhere in the middle 21:26:51 <drac_boy> anyway any of you know the name for these certain wagons found on europe rails where the sides are not one solid wall but rather sliding metal doors and/or hardy-but-flexible tarp rollups? 21:27:04 <drac_boy> makes it easier to load wide things in etc 21:27:51 <Zuu> If GS gain the posibility to create windows also in MP, I would think that they will get used. 21:29:35 <frosch123> well, gs would have to learn about clients then :p 21:29:41 <Zuu> yes 21:30:23 <Zuu> either that, or the window state versioning solution at the bottom need to be implemented 21:31:01 <Terkhen> good night 21:31:05 <Zuu> basically, OpenTTD sync the state of the window among clients of a company and only actions by clients with the last state are accepted. 21:31:06 <drac_boy> bye Terkhen :) 21:31:29 <frosch123> Zuu: i think there are very different use cases for windows 21:31:50 <frosch123> e.g. if one wants to add some more data to the goal gui, one client might want to press a button there to open another window 21:32:02 <frosch123> but it makes absolutely no sense, if that window is then opened on all clients :p 21:32:22 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-135-189.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 21:32:22 <Zuu> Hmm... true 21:33:03 <frosch123> so, i would rather expect some client<->gs connection for a single window 21:33:12 <frosch123> and the gs knows when multiple clients open the same window 21:33:17 <frosch123> so the gs does the syncing itself 21:33:21 <frosch123> if there is something to sync 21:33:42 <Zuu> yes I guess that is what it have too be like. 21:34:23 <frosch123> and if gs know about single clients you are very near allowing all the current singleplayer stuff for multiplayer 21:34:28 <frosch123> like scroling the screen for some client 21:34:42 <frosch123> so, i wonder where to stop :p 21:34:47 <Zuu> yeah 21:34:53 <Zuu> this is becomming a massive task :-) 21:34:55 <frosch123> like disallowing construction for a single client :p 21:35:07 <frosch123> or kicking a client who does too much terraforming :p 21:36:43 <Zuu> Maybe I should just think of my current GUI need. Allowing a GS to define a few action triggers/buttons which appear in the interface which allow a user to send an event to the GS. 21:36:48 <drac_boy> frosch123 that might be an interesting feature...kicking player who seem to stupidly flatten mountains just because they are too lazy to do anything except lay very flat and straight tracks 21:36:58 <drac_boy> I really hate these people :| 21:37:44 <frosch123> drac_boy: you know, you can already limit the terraforming amount? 21:37:52 <drac_boy> btw I never knew how it worked but I recall a few specific servers that had some kind of yearly terraforming limit...eg raise something 20 times and then you have to wait till next year 21:38:11 <drac_boy> that was a lot more sane ^ 21:38:28 <frosch123> terraform_per_64k_frames = 4194304 21:38:30 <frosch123> terraform_frame_burst = 4096 21:38:33 <frosch123> ^^ check those settings 21:39:16 <drac_boy> mm 21:39:28 *** dada_ [~dada_@62.140.132.2] has joined #openttd 21:40:39 <frosch123> same settings exist for planting trees and clearing land 21:40:45 <Wolf01> is anybody playing gnomoria here? 21:45:17 <frosch123> looks like minecraft without the fps part 21:45:52 <Alberth> perhaps add GUI stuff to newgrfs? 21:46:03 <Alberth> eg custom industry windows? 21:46:16 <frosch123> what should they do? 21:46:21 <drac_boy> hm guess I'll have to figure out my rail wagon issue tomorrow instead heh 21:46:39 <Alberth> frosch123: what we do in the engine now 21:46:49 <frosch123> ? 21:47:14 <Alberth> display name of the industry, how much it produces 21:47:27 <frosch123> we already have lots of such callbacks 21:48:07 <frosch123> i don't know what kind of buttons industries might want to add to the gui 21:48:22 <Alberth> none I think 21:48:31 <frosch123> like "increase production" makes no sense without making it cost at elast 21:49:04 <frosch123> which does not sound like good gameplay either 21:49:16 <Alberth> perhaps an "kill industry" button in the manual industries :p 21:49:59 <Alberth> I agree it would be mostly displaying data much like what we do now 21:50:31 <frosch123> i think newgrf can already display a lot of data, much better than gs actually 21:50:40 <frosch123> interactive parts are more useful for gs 21:50:59 <drac_boy> heh 21:50:59 <frosch123> as some kind of interface to select certani goals 21:51:25 <Alberth> yep 21:51:32 <frosch123> gs could add buttons to an industry or town to make the gs do magic around there 21:52:48 *** dada_ [~dada_@62.140.132.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:53:09 <frosch123> but at some point that would need client side scripts 21:53:35 <frosch123> the server could send a client-side script via the savegame, which does gui tasks at the client 21:53:59 <frosch123> the client-side script would not be able to execute commands like the server side gs, but it could send messages to the server gs 21:54:08 <Alberth> sounds bloody complicated 21:54:13 <frosch123> Zuu: ^^ how about that for gui stuff in mulitplayer? 21:54:39 <frosch123> Alberth: more complicated than remote controlling client guis from the server? :p 21:55:29 <Alberth> I am not sure you need a gui 21:55:37 <frosch123> and the client always wating for a server response before something happens :p 21:55:49 <Alberth> Instead I can do something to show my intentions, eg build a station 21:55:58 <Zuu> sounds like what javascript is for server-side solutions on the web :-) 21:56:13 <frosch123> Alberth: he, wasn't the topic about guis? :p 21:56:32 <frosch123> but yeah, for now we always use the hq :) 21:56:33 <Alberth> Zuu: let's add xml too :) 21:57:18 <Zuu> Alberth: Play the tutorial and come back again and say that GS don't need GUI :-) 21:57:53 <frosch123> Zuu: the tutorial only needs something like a mission book as seen in many games 21:58:11 <frosch123> like the goal gui, but with actual pages and a lot of text 21:58:13 <Alberth> we could add gui for the tutorial 21:58:27 <Alberth> ie code some otherwise unused windows 21:58:45 <Zuu> Maybe that is what we should do. Make a tutorial tailored GUI that GSs can create. 21:59:14 <frosch123> don't make it "tutorial" like, but more like "mission" like :) 21:59:31 <frosch123> so it can be used in all scripted-scenario contexts 21:59:38 <Alberth> "your mission is to learn OpenTTD." 21:59:46 <Zuu> A wizard window with next/previus buttons? 21:59:47 <frosch123> technically nocargoal and silliconvalley are scripted scenarios 22:00:03 <Alberth> "this GUI will automatically close in 10 seconds..." 22:00:16 <frosch123> Zuu: the goal window, with items than can be added, and checked, and a number of stories next to it 22:00:25 <frosch123> the goals stay in place, the story has prev/next buttons 22:01:05 <Alberth> add "like" buttons to the goals :p 22:01:34 <frosch123> http://wiki.unknown-horizons.org/w/Message_System <- something like that 22:01:35 <Zuu> So something like the online content window. A list on the left side with all goals. On the right side we show the story related to the selected goal? 22:01:50 <frosch123> it is somewhat tied to the goal system 22:02:03 <frosch123> when you complete some goals (not necessarily all) a new page is added 22:02:10 <frosch123> and some goals are added or removed 22:02:19 <frosch123> (removal may be independent of completion) 22:02:43 <Alberth> have a tab 'completed goals' 22:02:50 <frosch123> Zuu: somewhat, but the link between goals and logbook should only be optional 22:03:19 <frosch123> i.e. you should be able to prev/next without clicking on a goal, and not every goal needs an associated page 22:03:20 <Zuu> So the logbook is a separate window. 22:03:53 <frosch123> also goals should be possible to have checkmarks for completion, or it should be possible to strike them out if they no longer apply 22:04:08 <Zuu> So what we have is a separate window: StoryWindow which GSs can add pages. A goal can then refer to a story page. 22:04:23 *** sla_ro|vista [slaco@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: DANGER sla.ro is OFFLINE DANGER] 22:04:55 <frosch123> it could be two windows, they could be linked like smallmap/industrychain window, or they could be some expand/collapse thingie in one window 22:05:00 <Zuu> frosch123: I made a patch to allow goals to be marked as completed as well as showing their completeness in a separate column. The reaction I got was "why did you make this useless patch" :-p 22:05:11 <frosch123> like the income: small window only shows goals, big window shows goals and story 22:05:31 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-104-217.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 22:05:45 <frosch123> Zuu: was it useless? i don't remember :p 22:06:57 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p4FEDCA9C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Sturmi] 22:07:27 <Zuu> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=62538 22:09:36 <Alberth> good night 22:09:51 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:10:03 <frosch123> Zuu: i hope the luukland guy did not put you off :p 22:10:41 <Zuu> Actually he did make me focus on other patches for some time. But mabye I shouldn't have let him. 22:10:42 <frosch123> they only think about their own stuff (which is fine), and complain about everything else (which is not) 22:12:38 <InducTrackerOTTD> I'm not finding an about page in the wiki, what's unknown horizons game like, I womder 22:13:02 <frosch123> i believe it's an anno clone 22:13:06 <frosch123> though i never played anno :p 22:13:10 <InducTrackerOTTD> Ah 22:13:18 <frosch123> basically you have an island 22:13:30 <frosch123> build stuff to get inhabitants 22:13:32 <frosch123> and make money 22:14:07 <frosch123> i played it a few, but i don't think it fits a ottd player :) 22:14:22 <frosch123> for me space was very restrictive 22:14:30 <InducTrackerOTTD> I'm also an occasional civ player 22:14:50 <frosch123> you could fill islands within very few years, move to the next island and fill that one 22:15:06 <frosch123> but you could not build really big stuff 22:15:29 * InducTrackerOTTD reads the premise for Anno 2070 22:15:29 <frosch123> also it is unfinished, so it gets quite repetitive quickly since there is not yet any advanced stuff 22:15:30 <InducTrackerOTTD> Nice 22:16:43 <Zuu> Is the game war-free? 22:17:12 <frosch123> there are pirates 22:17:37 <frosch123> but in the dev stage i played, there were no battles 22:19:53 <Zuu> In the current version, the logbook have bookmarks that stick out for a few pages. 22:20:26 <Zuu> Basically tabs, but with a nice visual touch :-) 22:21:53 <frosch123> apparently it is heading for a combat system 22:22:03 <frosch123> but there were none at the stage i played 22:22:11 <frosch123> so, likely that is why it was so pointless :p 22:22:19 <InducTrackerOTTD> You know, I used to play a couple sailing oriented games a long while ago and forgot what they were called. One was about running a ship or perhaps a small fleet of 'em on the carribean in a kind of tune your pirate ship exp grind adventure 22:22:52 <InducTrackerOTTD> and another one, pretty darn cool, conquering ports and building warships from on land resources, I think 22:23:38 <InducTrackerOTTD> It was a pretty neat simplified sailing ship naval combat sim, turn based IIRC 22:23:44 <frosch123> never heard of those; when i think about ship games i think about stuff like "ports of calls" 22:24:03 <frosch123> or the remakes of that 22:25:25 <InducTrackerOTTD> both were 2d, very simple kinda graphics games IIRC 22:25:54 *** Flygon [Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:26:02 <InducTrackerOTTD> I don't think the latter game I vaguely recall had a trading aspect to it 22:26:41 <frosch123> i always preferred the making-money games :) 22:27:09 <frosch123> i liked colonization with cheats 22:27:21 <frosch123> you could lock down the competitors to stop annoying you 22:27:33 <NGC3982> Pro-tip: Zeus - Master of olympus 22:27:35 <frosch123> spawn a town of units at the beginning (so you can do big stuff before time runs out) 22:27:49 <frosch123> but sadly you could not get around the 256 units on map limit :/ 22:28:05 <InducTrackerOTTD> The only economy/profit oriented game I got into ever was tt really 22:28:20 <frosch123> and trading routes and pathfinding failed, so you had to move every single wagon yourself 22:29:20 <frosch123> i also liked settlers I, but not to demolish the competitors, but to fill the entire map with farms and mines :p 22:29:35 <frosch123> but sadly there was also a limit of workers 22:29:45 <NGC3982> Settlers 3 (i think), that Heritage of Kings one - is really nice. 22:30:02 <frosch123> and warehoused could not display more than 1000 units 22:30:11 <frosch123> so, you did not exactly know how much you had 22:30:32 <frosch123> the newer settlers are boring in comparison to settlers I 22:30:47 <frosch123> they make it more like rts, and less like a sandbox game 22:30:54 <frosch123> mines run out of resources all the time 22:31:01 <frosch123> and farms produce way too few stuff 22:31:27 <frosch123> settlers I was somewhat like ottd, you had to build complicated road networks to move all cargo around 22:31:37 <frosch123> (esp. because the cargo movement was very restrictive) 22:31:52 <NGC3982> This is odd. 22:32:00 <NGC3982> I'm using the Dutch Replacement set. 22:32:05 <frosch123> in settlers II you never had much cargo for very long to be able to really block your network 22:32:18 <frosch123> that was kind of sad :p 22:32:22 <NGC3982> I'm trying to autoreplace a freight train with a pax train, and it does not work with a specific engine. 22:32:30 * Zuu liked settlers too for its rich set of buildings and relativly long construction stage. 22:32:40 <NGC3982> I http://i.imgur.com/EUplD.png 22:32:52 <Zuu> At least when I played it, I took time to get to the point of taking down the enemies. 22:32:55 <NGC3982> I can build the train with the new engine manually, so i guess autoreplacing should work. 22:32:56 <frosch123> Zuu: you should play widelands then 22:33:01 <NGC3982> And i can autoreplace other engines. 22:33:04 <frosch123> it has even longer cargo chains 22:33:08 <drac_boy> NGC3982 could it be because of the incompactible cargo? 22:33:16 <frosch123> esp. the barbarians are really weird :p 22:33:26 <NGC3982> drac_boy: It shouldn't be, since i can build and run the train manually. 22:33:37 <NGC3982> As you see in the picture, train 87 is the new one. 22:33:47 <NGC3982> Sure, it's a pax engine, but i fail to see how that affects autoreplacing. 22:34:05 <frosch123> NGC3982: you see the message at the bottom of the screeen? 22:34:13 <drac_boy> NGC3982 no I mean autoreplace will not work if eg wagon 1 only refits to passenger and wagon 2 only refits to freight ..... or the grf has a limit on which locomotives can be used with certain wagons (reminds me of ukrs and why I stopped using it) 22:34:23 <drac_boy> otherwise thats all I can think to tell you 22:34:33 <frosch123> "vehicle is not available" means the engine is no longer buildable 22:34:36 <frosch123> it retired 22:34:40 <NGC3982> frosch123: Yes, not related. That is older vehicles. 22:34:54 <NGC3982> As i said, i can build both engines and wagons manually. 22:35:11 <NGC3982> drac_boy: Oh, that sounds resonable. 22:35:29 <frosch123> well, then check the newer news :p 22:35:39 <frosch123> autoreplace should always spawn a message when it fails 22:35:47 <NGC3982> Can it be that the autoreplace refuses, since the engine itself is not refitable to oil 22:35:51 <NGC3982> Let's see. 22:36:27 <frosch123> ah, yes 22:36:32 <NGC3982> frosch123: The thing is, they are not even trying. 22:36:32 <Zuu> frosch123: Thanks for the tip. 22:36:36 <NGC3982> Even when forced in depot. 22:36:39 <frosch123> if both engines are refittable and the new one cannot carry the old cargo, it won'T replace 22:36:47 <NGC3982> Ah, that explains it. 22:36:54 * NGC3982 sells a lot of trains. 22:37:00 <frosch123> replace it with an engine without capacity first :p 22:37:04 <NGC3982> Oh, ok 22:37:15 <frosch123> two-step autoreplace :) 22:39:17 *** dada_ [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 22:39:22 <frosch123> night 22:39:26 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fcdce.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:47:08 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176109482.dsl.bell.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 22:50:04 <Wolf01> 'night 22:50:08 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:50:30 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:54:19 *** dada__ [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 22:56:41 *** dada_ [~dada_@dhcp-077-250-097-191.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11:42 *** alandarev [~alandarev@5ad18a23.bb.sky.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:17:09 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.96.124.38] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:25:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B4BE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:38:58 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176109482.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 23:39:05 <drac_boy> hi 23:47:05 *** Wuzzy [~Wuzzy@p549F9F6C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: Wuzzy] 23:53:35 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:54:08 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit []