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00:09:09 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 00:12:17 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:14:32 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:15:52 <drac_boy> looks like theres little if any english information for indian steam after all >_< oh well I've been working off the russia and german narrow gauge roosters anyway 00:27:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i would imagine india mostly imported british engines 00:33:07 <Eddi|zuHause> drac_boy: are you trying to rival the 2ccset for number of included engines? :p 00:34:18 <V453000> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20419525/asser.png :( 00:39:16 <drac_boy> heh V453000 why windows? :P 00:39:27 <V453000> because adobe 00:39:55 <V453000> windows because windows, but assertion error is evul :( 00:40:03 <drac_boy> eddi nope, just more or less averaging different specs (believe it or not but I found some of the RhB and SAR electrics to be similar enough to only need one loco for both) 00:41:46 <drac_boy> british engine for metre gauge, that rather sounds interesting 00:46:54 <V453000> assertion error - prepare word should have something to do with strings? 00:47:14 <V453000> cause I feel like the only thing I actually changed is switch which changes sprites 00:47:15 <V453000> :d 00:49:05 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-50-91.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 00:49:07 <V453000> ok 00:49:12 <V453000> I found it :D 00:49:28 <V453000> if random switch returns 80000 for power, it throws that error 00:49:44 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d0865c9.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My life for Aiur] 00:50:47 <drac_boy> heh 00:52:16 *** jasperthecat1 [63304048@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 00:57:26 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: "word" is a 16-bit value, nothing to do with strings 00:57:49 <V453000> hm :) 00:58:52 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: you should prepare a code example triggering this, and send it in as a bug reports, because users shouldn't be able to trigger asserts 00:59:06 <V453000> I already did :) 01:10:26 <Pikka> V453000, the maximum value you can return in a callback is 32767 01:10:37 <V453000> I know 01:10:46 <V453000> I just did a typo of 80000 instead of 8000 01:10:50 <Pikka> I see :) 01:10:54 <V453000> but it shouldnt make nmlc internal error :) 01:11:08 <Pikka> silly nmlc 01:12:14 <Eddi|zuHause> http://thedroidyourelookingfor.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/dexterdrinkinggame2.jpg 01:13:15 <Pikka> silly Eddi 01:13:44 <V453000> :d 01:14:17 <drac_boy> heh heh 01:16:08 <V453000> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WreJGBEF5iA who played this? :D 01:16:57 <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't ring a bell 01:17:56 <V453000> what? :D 01:17:58 <V453000> :( 01:18:18 <V453000> a logic adventure game with various puzzles made all in plastic world 01:18:34 <V453000> Neverhood 01:18:49 <V453000> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIsgRgmT9MA :) 01:19:56 <Eddi|zuHause> must be from a time where i didn't have any new games (because of old computer) 01:20:33 <Eddi|zuHause> technically my computer was already too slow for TT 01:20:40 <V453000> it is all recorded animation of the plastic stuff, idk what that required :D 01:21:01 <V453000> either way, amazing game I even played it about a year ago 01:21:34 <V453000> 1996 01:22:36 <Eddi|zuHause> must be of the monkey island 3 era, where adventures got more and more comic-y 01:23:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess that started with Day of the Tentacle 01:23:21 <Eddi|zuHause> which was basically the last adventure i played 01:23:41 <Eddi|zuHause> the last "new" one 01:28:33 <V453000> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qxeP29fhdA represents the game :D 01:28:36 <V453000> just amazing 01:35:22 <NGC3982> I always loved Neverhood. 01:44:42 <drac_boy> eddi btw did you know even russia exported their locomotives as well? :) 01:55:46 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-228-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:59:07 <Eddi|zuHause> why wouldn't they? 02:00:12 <Flygon> Because they have an insane massive loading and axle gauge 02:00:27 <Flygon> One of the only countries to come to mind to 1-up the USA 02:02:32 <Eddi|zuHause> they could build smaller engines, you know 02:03:03 <Eddi|zuHause> russian-built diesel engines run in half of europe today 02:07:01 <Flygon> Russia has a concept of small? 02:07:33 <Flygon> Even then, standard European loading and axle gauges tend to be massive in UK and Victoria :P 02:08:15 <Flygon> http://www.noarail.com/members2/d/2373-2/H+220+Heavy+Harry.JPG Biggst non-articulated loco in Australia. And you get European and Russian ones that average that size :B 02:10:48 <Eddi|zuHause> well, they're still "big" as in the biggest diesel engines of that time, but small enough to fit in the usual european loading gauge and axle weight classes :p 02:18:26 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:20:02 <Flygon> Eddi, I dunno about you 02:20:15 <Flygon> But here, 27-30 tonnes an axle isn't usual :P 02:20:35 <Flygon> Best you ever got here is 23 tonnes... and that's the one-off locomotive I just posted 02:20:42 <Flygon> Usually it's 17 tonnes :P 02:24:07 <drac_boy> eddi this is just a quick example but its a TU7 http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/40894162.jpg 02:24:13 <drac_boy> not that heavy in first place 02:24:31 <drac_boy> (yeah don't ask me why, I'm not sure what the photographer is doing with that dog there!) 02:26:12 <drac_boy> flygon I think this matches your picture http://ainoko.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/niagara_edwhittekind.jpg heh heh 02:27:00 <drac_boy> if you're asking where the smokestack is .. its a very short cap just behind the low-profile box on front .. almost pushing the tunnel gauges there what with the big boiler they wanted 02:27:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: it's not about how heavy the engine is, but how many axles you put underneath it :p 02:28:02 <drac_boy> eddi mm thats why the general purpose diesel of japan was the DD15 .. it could weight over four axles for maximum workings or over six axles (the middle two being idlers) for light branch duty 02:29:39 <drac_boy> which of I have pretty much shown flygon this one but what do you think of how ready it is to clear snow anywhere anytime? heh http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/JNR_DD15_37.JPG 02:29:51 <drac_boy> even has extra lights for visibility :P 02:35:05 <drac_boy> eddi if you want to talk about axles...try THIS then heh heh http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/PRR_BH50_x2.jpg (footnote: they were built with fewer crossmounted engines than originally designed on blueprint for tho) 02:36:11 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-014-179.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 02:42:42 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye !] 03:04:52 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@modemcable105.141-163-184.mc.videotron.ca] has left #openttd [I'm done being in this room!] 03:05:10 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-103.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 03:22:20 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-50-91.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:53:52 *** Nat_aS [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 03:59:01 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 04:00:00 *** Dr_Tan [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:06:27 <Flygon> When dracco is on 04:06:32 <Flygon> Remind me to bring up the H-class 04:18:38 *** soqdzfkzc [~soqdzfkzc@120.56.221.187] has joined #openttd 04:20:45 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.95.246] has joined #openttd 04:21:53 *** RavingManiac_ [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 04:26:57 *** soqdzfkzc [~soqdzfkzc@120.56.221.187] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:27:56 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:47:42 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 04:49:00 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 04:49:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 04:55:41 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 05:03:04 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 05:33:08 *** tycoondemon2 [tycoondemo@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 05:33:08 *** tycoondemon [tycoondemo@524B5F54.cm-4-4b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:49:30 <Supercheese> Jeez, this .nml file is bloating, it's too bad the preprocessor hates me 05:49:53 <Supercheese> I want to separate and #include, but that somehow screws up the .grf -_- 05:50:29 <Supercheese> Think the preprocessor hates block comments or something 05:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD54C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 05:56:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4BCF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 05:58:21 *** RavingManiac_ [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:58:35 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 06:28:19 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:41:23 *** Celestar_ [~vici@dslb-178-002-031-126.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 06:47:35 *** Pensacola [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has joined #openttd 06:48:54 *** kamnet [4cb15ba8@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 06:50:11 <kamnet> Good morning. I'm setting up a CNet account to manage OpenTTD release information. They require that programs which can be installed on multiple OSes be listed separately. Would it be preferred to list each one as "OpenTTD x.x.x for <platform>", or just "OpenTTD x.x.x" ? 06:57:47 *** Celestar_ [~vici@dslb-178-002-031-126.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:59:21 <peter1138> the latter 07:00:00 <peter1138> not that i see the point 07:00:05 <peter1138> in fact i'd rather you didn't 07:00:18 <kamnet> Didn't what? 07:00:44 <peter1138> it would suck if people search for openttd and came up with cnet 07:01:20 <kamnet> They already can. 07:01:27 *** Sacro [~ben@000127ee.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:01:29 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-135-147.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:01:34 *** Sacro [~ben@150.237.48.99] has joined #openttd 07:02:32 <peter1138> Price: Free 07:02:36 <peter1138> yeah 07:02:50 <kamnet> If you search for "OpenTTD" on Google, there are several stores & distribution sites that already list the game 07:03:42 <peter1138> if you search for openttd on google, we're first. you can download directly from there 07:03:47 <peter1138> so why bother with cnet etc etc 07:04:09 <peter1138> cnet is that place that pops up when you're trying to find the real website 07:04:09 <kamnet> Because those are large communities of users who may not know of the game. 07:05:21 <peter1138> people using cnet downloads are in a community? 07:05:35 <kamnet> Of course they are. 07:05:41 <Supercheese> Can't you set it up so that the page on cnet points to the OTTD webpage? 07:05:55 <Supercheese> "Go to external site for download" etc 07:05:57 <kamnet> It does, Supercheese. 07:06:33 <kamnet> You can either pay CNet to host the file for you, or you can link to your own download location. 07:06:35 <Supercheese> currently it downloads from cnet 07:07:41 <kamnet> CNet acts as a middle man. The file can be downloaded from your server, they route it through the download manager on their site for tracking information and to scan your files for viruses and malware. 07:08:00 <Supercheese> Interesting 07:08:47 <peter1138> whatever it is, it's a crock of shit 07:08:59 <peter1138> just linking to the download without anything like, say, license information 07:10:12 <kamnet> We can include that information. 07:11:16 <Supercheese> Who's currently responsible for the OpenTTD cnet entries? 07:11:47 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 07:11:59 <kamnet> Good question, and I could not find an answer for that. I don't like that answer, because it puts the control of information outside of the hands of the developers. 07:12:18 <Supercheese> indeed 07:13:18 <kamnet> That's why I volunteered to take up this task of editing the information on these various sites. At the very least, the developers and members of the OpenTTD community know who *I* am, and have a way to contact somebody if information needs to be changed or updated. 07:25:27 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:48:53 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:54:14 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:54:18 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 08:01:37 <Supercheese> Hmm, some users that post regularly on the forums are not IRC regulars, it seems 08:06:03 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 08:10:01 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:11:02 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-98-70.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 08:15:54 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:25:01 <Celestar> morning 08:26:23 *** guru3 [~guru3@000128ea.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:26:28 *** guru3_ [~guru3@90-224-111-173-no225.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 08:28:05 <Flygon> Menta 08:30:39 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 08:33:42 <planetmaker> moin 08:34:19 <Celestar> whoop 08:34:30 <blathijs> Morning! 08:35:00 <Celestar> wooot? 08:37:21 <Celestar> blathijs: how ya been? 08:38:09 <blathijs> Celestar: Busy :-) 08:38:17 <blathijs> Actually did some OpenTTD coding again last week :-D 08:38:21 <dihedral> good morning 08:38:48 <blathijs> Trying to polish support for (ancient) 8bpp systems again :-) 08:40:02 <blathijs> Got a bugreport from some SPARC system displaying wrong colors. In the end, I don't think I actually managed to reproduce the reported problem, but I was so deep into SDL/X11 palette stuff that I could just as well do something useful with that new knowledge ;-p 08:44:52 *** Rhamphoryncus_ [~rhamph@d173-183-158-32.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:45:24 <__ln__> a career as an X11 palette consultant 08:48:44 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 08:55:14 <Celestar> blathijs: :D 08:56:02 <blathijs> __ln__: Heh, I do think that the hours spent investigating this stuff, weren't the best spent hours ever... 08:59:59 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:07:56 <Supercheese> 'night 09:07:59 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 17.0.1/20121128204232]] 09:12:06 *** Rhamphoryncus_ [~rhamph@d173-183-158-32.abhsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 09:16:28 <peter1138> yeah, 8bpp displays are kinda rare now 09:26:09 <blathijs> peter1138: I actually had to switch back to using the vesa driver on my laptop for testing, the intel driver didn't work in 8bpp anymore (probably been years since someone actually tested that ;-p) 09:27:37 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:29:30 <peter1138> :-) 09:29:42 <Celestar> who needs 3bpp 09:29:43 <Celestar> erm 09:29:44 <Celestar> 8 09:29:55 <blathijs> Yeah, 8-color displays! 09:29:57 <Celestar> hm... no alpha channel in 32bpp? 09:30:00 <peter1138> back in my day we had 1, 2 and 4bpp 09:30:12 <blathijs> Celestar: This Sparc Ultra1 here behind me needs 8bp :-) 09:30:16 <Celestar> :P 09:30:21 <Celestar> does it still WORK? 09:30:28 <blathijs> Celestar: I think 32bpp is really 24bpp plus alpha 09:30:40 <Celestar> normally it is 09:30:41 <Celestar> :P 09:30:48 <Celestar> 128bpp :P 09:30:56 <Celestar> with all channels as 32 bit floats 09:30:56 <blathijs> Celestar: I had to replace the RTC chip, whose battery had depleted, but other than that it still works (slowly) 09:31:11 <Flygon> Real men use sprites that use NTSC colourspace palette's 09:31:25 <Flygon> Because that totally worked for the NES 09:31:29 <Flygon> Who needs yellow? :B 09:31:35 <peter1138> PAL, dearest 09:31:39 <Celestar> NTSC has colors? 09:31:46 <peter1138> Never Twice the Same Colour 09:31:49 <Celestar> yeah. 09:31:58 <Celestar> worst TV standard EVER. 09:32:10 <blathijs> We should add a Hercules graphics driver in OpenTTD! :-) 09:32:22 <Celestar> well DVB-T sucks some donkey balls too 09:32:22 <Flygon> The NES's that had RGB PPU's are the best :3 09:33:00 <valhallasw> Celestar: also the first color standard, so it would have been pretty stupid if PAL and SECAM had sucked as much 09:33:08 <valhallasw> (first of the three, at least) 09:33:31 <peter1138> DVB's overly compressed :( 09:34:14 <Flygon> Over-the-air TV is a farce 09:34:19 <Celestar> it's not compressed. it's ... damaged beyond repair. 09:34:24 <Flygon> Fiber Optic television plzkthx 09:34:30 <peter1138> analogue tv never looked as based 09:34:31 <peter1138> er 09:34:33 <peter1138> as bad 09:34:45 <Celestar> as DVB-T? no. -C and -S are pretty ok 09:34:45 <Flygon> Good analogue TV can look better than DVB, I agree 09:34:48 <Celestar> -S2 rocks. 09:34:50 <peter1138> most people got good enough signals not to have bad noise 09:34:51 <Flygon> Colourspace issues are always an issue, though 09:35:18 <Flygon> Heck, I've had peeps think I'm on digital TV 09:35:24 <Flygon> When my CRT's tuned to analogue 09:35:31 <Flygon> Digital looks WORSE 09:35:55 <Flygon> Due to the tuner processing the heck out of the video for 576i Composhit >_> 09:36:08 <Flygon> I'd have used S-Video... but the tuner lacks it @_@ 09:36:09 <peter1138> i just get snow when it's on analogue 09:36:20 <Flygon> And I need to get my CRT modified for SCART/Component... 09:36:23 <peter1138> as there's no analogue tv transmission over here any more 09:36:28 <Flygon> Australia has analogue still. USA doesn't 09:36:43 <Flygon> It cuts off by 2013 ending 09:36:48 <Celestar> get a proper DVB-S2 and be happy :P 09:37:05 <Flygon> I'm unhappy because it's Composite 09:37:13 <Flygon> Not because of the signal 09:37:15 <peter1138> i refuse to pay for a satellite subscription 09:37:27 <Flygon> Screw satellite 09:37:31 <Celestar> you don't have to pay :P 09:37:32 <Flygon> Move to Australia around 2016 09:37:37 <Flygon> Get Fiber Optic TV :D 09:38:02 <Celestar> screw TV really. Just use TCP/IP :P 09:38:12 <Flygon> That's basically Fiber Optic TV :P 09:38:20 <blathijs> Fiber Optic TV <-- Do they put a big beamer at one end of the fiber and you point the other end at your wall? 09:38:51 <Flygon> blathijs: It's a pointlessly marketing style word for Cable TV 09:39:40 <blathijs> Flygon: In the sense that they put up fiber up to the cable head end and then use regular coaxial cable with DVB-C for the last part? 09:39:51 * Flygon shrug 09:39:57 <Flygon> I don't know 09:40:18 <blathijs> In .nl we actually have TV over fibre, where there's just some TCP/IP thing running over a fiber to the home connection 09:40:21 <Flygon> I was lead to believe that ISP's here would bundle it with the NBN plans as an incentive over other ISP's 09:40:35 <Flygon> And you use a tuner hooked up via ethernet or Wi-Fi to the router 09:41:10 <Flygon> Since 20-40mbits via Wireless should be enough for a decent multimedia stream 09:41:39 <blathijs> Flygon: Yeah, that's what they do here 09:41:54 <Flygon> Go figure :) 09:42:14 <Flygon> I can't wait til it comes out here 09:42:23 <blathijs> Flygon: Though only on one of the big fibre networks, the other uses a DVB-C encoder in the router/modem so you can still connect your TV without a separate tuner 09:42:27 <Flygon> All I can get currently is ADSL2+, or 100/2 Coax Cable with Cable TV 09:42:34 <Flygon> The latter is outragiously expensive 09:43:00 <Flygon> Ah, so it hooks up to the TV's antenna jack? 09:43:12 <blathijs> Flygon: Yup 09:43:17 <Flygon> That is a worthless load of crap to me :P 09:43:30 <Flygon> My TV lacks a digital tuner, haha- 09:43:31 <Flygon> Oh 09:43:38 <Flygon> I am a dimwit. I can use an external tuner. 09:44:03 <blathijs> Flygon: It removes the need for a separate tuner if you have a digitial tuner in the TV, and it allows re-using existing coaxial cabling 09:44:05 <Flygon> My grave will say "Died being shortsighted" 09:44:23 <Flygon> Clearly not many Europeans still use CRT's 09:44:38 <Flygon> Then again, not many Australians use CRT's... 09:45:03 <peter1138> can't get rid of my crt monitor 09:45:05 <Flygon> Eh, it just seems like common sense to use an external tuner, that hooks up via ethernet or Wi-Fi 09:45:19 <Flygon> peter1138, I should photograph my room 09:45:32 <Flygon> It's the size of a small study, has 4 CRT's, and I gotta sleep in it :P 09:46:31 <Flygon> An LG Studioworks 900B monitor, a Trinitron 200GS, Phillips 107S66, and some sort of 32in Trinitron TV 09:46:50 <Flygon> The TV takes up at least 20% of my room from wall to wall 09:46:58 <Flygon> Well, 10-15%, anyway 09:47:06 <Pinkbeast> ... get rid of one of them? 09:47:22 <Flygon> Hell no 09:47:24 <Flygon> They're all good 09:48:13 <peter1138> Flygon, are you a bit of a hoarder? 09:50:33 <Flygon> Yes 09:50:51 <Flygon> Though, I've chucked out or given away things I know I will not have a use for 09:51:06 <Flygon> eg. if I got a bigger CRT (and... a bigger bedroom >_>) 09:51:19 <Flygon> I'd give away my 32in Trinitron to someone else that could use it 09:51:40 <Flygon> I despise scrapping perfectly useful items 09:56:07 <Pinkbeast> So do I, but the trouble is, there's an enormous influx of new monitors from people buying them. I'd give away my old 19" low-footprint tube, but who wants it? 09:57:09 <Flygon> Well 09:57:17 <Flygon> If you were Victorian 09:57:23 <Flygon> I'd ask for us to meet and I'd inspect it 09:57:29 <Flygon> I'd be interested in it 09:57:43 <Flygon> 19in high quality CRT monitors are reasonably useful/valuable 09:57:48 <Pinkbeast> Victoria died in 1906 so I'd be getting on a bit if I was. # yes I know what you mean 09:57:50 <Flygon> What specific model is it? 09:57:53 <Flygon> ... 09:57:56 <Flygon> Pinkbeast... 09:57:59 <Flygon> Oh 09:58:00 <Flygon> Rightyo 09:58:02 <Pinkbeast> Dunno, not at home, but it's an iyama 09:58:10 <Flygon> Never heard of it 09:58:17 <Flygon> My friend is offline 09:58:18 <peter1138> iiyama 09:58:24 <Flygon> So, can't ask him about it 09:58:34 <Flygon> Drat, you're Britis 09:58:39 <peter1138> were considered one of the best in the 90s 09:58:45 <Flygon> If you were Canadian, I'd have tried to arrange something 09:58:48 <Flygon> Ah, I see 09:58:53 <Flygon> Either way, I can't buy it :( 09:59:28 <Pinkbeast> I compromise by filling my own computers mostly with castoff bits. 09:59:45 <Flygon> I just make stuff out of whatever 10:00:01 <Flygon> So much so that I actually have a spare usable computer... except it's running on a K6-2 10:00:23 <Pinkbeast> Spare? Ha. usagi I use every day, and she's a K6-3/450 10:00:25 <Flygon> So I'll probably just turn it into a 9x based retro-game machine 10:21:18 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:47:51 <peter1138> hm 11:53:36 <peter1138> http://play-dune.com/ o_O 11:54:49 <Eddi|zuHause> that was about what i expected... :p 11:55:52 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:56:54 <peter1138> same person yeah 11:59:01 <peter1138> "Earth-sized planets 'number 17bn'" 11:59:04 <peter1138> oh really 11:59:38 <peter1138> ah it's clarified as 'in our galaxy' outside of the headline 12:26:01 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:30:36 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 12:40:36 <Celestar> lol 12:40:42 <Celestar> what else did you expect? :P 13:00:06 <peter1138> accurate reporting! 13:01:00 <Celestar> lol 13:01:08 <Celestar> Media? accurate reporting? 13:01:12 <peter1138> :) 13:01:13 <Celestar> you ill? :P 13:01:29 <Celestar> hm .. any gui frontend to openttd svn? 13:02:09 <peter1138> there's trac, on vcs.opentd.org/svn/ 13:02:10 <michi_cc> Web or local? 13:02:12 <peter1138> but that's horrible 13:02:53 <michi_cc> Alternatively you can also have gitweb (http://vcs.openttd.org/git/?p=openttd/trunk.git;a=summary) or hgweb (http://vcs.openttd.org/hg/openttd/trunk.hg/) 13:03:23 <Celestar> web. 13:03:33 *** LordPixaII is now known as Pixa 13:03:37 <Celestar> unless I install a git client for me phone :P 13:05:20 <Celestar> hm. 13:05:26 <Celestar> can you convert implicit orders into real ones? 13:05:51 <michi_cc> You can't, but it's definitely a valid feature request. 13:06:06 <Celestar> well maybe there is me entry point :P 13:07:28 <peter1138> i asked about that the other day too 13:07:37 <peter1138> shouldn't be too hard 13:08:28 <Celestar> nah 13:08:31 <Celestar> don't think so 13:13:49 <peter1138> http://hg.openttd.org/developers/celestar/cargodest.hg/ 13:13:50 <peter1138> ^ aww 13:15:48 <Celestar> haha 13:16:02 <peter1138> oh wow 13:16:06 <Celestar> cd > cargodest 13:16:23 <peter1138> the old svn custombridgeheads branch still exists in git 13:16:29 <peter1138> yacd or cargodist? 13:16:37 <Celestar> whatever fons is working on :P 13:16:46 <peter1138> cos there's yacd too 13:16:58 <Celestar> I am not sure the old CBH works with the current map array in any way :P 13:17:18 <peter1138> don't think much has changed in that regard since then 13:17:25 <peter1138> but... it didn't work then either :p 13:17:40 <Celestar> no, not while reversing :( 13:17:50 <Celestar> lot of the other stuff worked somehow :p 13:18:12 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/bridgehead3.png 13:18:14 <peter1138> http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/bridgehead4.png 13:18:19 <peter1138> from my old ancient original stuff 13:18:48 <Celestar> hm. 13:18:55 <Celestar> the list of feature requests is LONG. 13:18:58 <Celestar> friggen long 13:19:07 <peter1138> which is pre-tron-bridges 13:19:37 <Celestar> I was wondering whether to write unittests for the GTTS functions before the next attempt of CBH :P 13:20:53 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: is there a list of engines for the CETS? 13:22:10 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:24:24 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d8223d8.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:25:47 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:25:50 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 13:26:13 <Celestar> peter1138: cargodist and yacd? who is working on yacd? 13:26:18 <peter1138> michi_cc 13:28:26 <michi_cc> Celestar: Don't wonder too long, a lot might change in the future: http://www.icosahedron.de/openttd/patches/cool_stuff2.png 13:28:39 <NGC3982> Afternoon 13:28:54 <Celestar> michi_cc: hm? 13:30:31 <peter1138> monorail & normal rail on the same tile 13:30:36 <peter1138> subtle 13:31:36 <michi_cc> And some more if you carefully watch the snow. 13:31:50 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-98-70.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:33:11 <V453000> peter1138: universal rail ftw? :p 13:33:30 <Eddi|zuHause> weren't we already at this point half a year ago? 13:33:33 <Celestar> peter1138: yeah I see that but does that have to do with me? :P 13:34:08 <peter1138> ? 13:34:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Celestar: yes, at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkXAVZqXTFQxdHM3UlpWM1hPZWpfeTlkdnZsMldjSkE&hl=de#gid=0 13:34:47 <Celestar> thank you 13:34:51 <peter1138> google docs :S 13:35:30 <Celestar> Eddi|zuHause: you have an error in your data :P 13:35:40 <Celestar> DB BR 403 :P 13:35:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i certainly do ;) 13:35:51 <Celestar> Top Speed should be 330km/h 13:35:53 <Celestar> :P 13:36:17 <peter1138> which 403? 13:36:32 <Celestar> lines 564, 565, 566 13:36:42 <peter1138> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB-Baureihe_403_(1973) 13:36:46 <peter1138> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB-Baureihe_403_(1997) 13:36:54 <Celestar> the 1997 one :P 13:37:04 <peter1138> i can't open the document so i couldn't tell :p 13:37:48 <Eddi|zuHause> not sure who put that number in there, i currently don't have the time to review it 13:38:07 <Celestar> :) 13:38:10 <Celestar> just noticed :P 13:38:42 <Eddi|zuHause> oberhÌmer did a lot of screwing with it, and it's hard to review entire-table-changes 13:39:22 <Celestar> well. 13:39:26 <Eddi|zuHause> line-based diffs don't handle 2-dimensional tables very well 13:39:45 <Celestar> yeah 13:39:54 <Celestar> bah 13:39:56 <Celestar> finally 13:40:01 <Celestar> Celestar 1, Jenkins 0 13:40:14 <Eddi|zuHause> things like "take the non-german stuff out temporarily" [and re-order the table at the same time] 13:40:27 <peter1138> urgh 13:45:27 <peter1138> 6music playing the new bowie track a lot :p 13:46:20 <NGC3982> Bowie has made new music? 13:46:57 <Kjetil> didn't he just publish some old stuff ? 13:55:05 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-12-68.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:58:21 <MNIM> huh 13:58:23 <MNIM> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KiHa_283_series 13:58:45 <MNIM> interesting design for a 130kmh train. 13:59:58 <Celestar> goddamnit why is Jenkins that stupid 14:01:21 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:04:42 *** Celestar [~vici@mnch-4d04ff99.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:05:02 *** Celestar [~vici@mnch-4d04ff99.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:05:04 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 14:05:04 <Celestar> oopw 14:05:08 *** Celestar [~vici@mnch-4d04ff99.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [] 14:05:54 *** Celestar [~vici@mnch-4d04ff99.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 14:05:57 *** mode/#openttd [+o Celestar] by ChanServ 14:06:04 <blathijs> oopw? 14:06:18 <Celestar> typo in oops :P 14:06:55 <blathijs> oops :-) 14:09:58 <Eddi|zuHause> so what the hell drove me in selecting recursion theory and fractals as exam topic? :p 14:11:25 <blathijs> Recursion is awesome :-) 14:12:24 <Eddi|zuHause> "Theorem of Rice: No non-trivial property of partial-recursive functions is decidable" 14:13:45 <kamnet> Good morning 14:15:50 <Eddi|zuHause> this script is horrible... it uses random function names like K and Gamma and then defines them two pages later... 14:19:27 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:22:58 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:23:01 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 14:26:41 <Kjetil> Sounds like mathematical functions 14:26:42 <Stimrol> hello, I see in docs that OpenTTD uses UTF-8 buy why do I only see question marks if for example another players write in russian? 14:26:59 <Stimrol> but* 14:29:09 <Eddi|zuHause> Stimrol: your font doesn't contain the characters 14:29:20 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-12-68.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:29:21 <Eddi|zuHause> (e.g. the default sprite font) 14:29:33 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-124-205.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 14:31:19 <Stimrol> my font settings in the openttd.cfg are all empty 14:31:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Stimrol: openttd only uses a system font as fallback if your language contains missing characters itself. things that happen ingame (like signs or chat) do not trigger that fallback 14:32:03 <Eddi|zuHause> Stimrol: you can manually enter font names in the .cfg to use system fonts 14:32:27 <Stimrol> is it thahoma witch is the recommended one? 14:32:53 <Eddi|zuHause> there is no "recommended" one as whatever we could recommend, won't be there on some systems 14:33:04 <Eddi|zuHause> tahoma bold possibly 14:33:29 <Eddi|zuHause> small font sizes may be problematic 14:33:41 *** Pensacola [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:33:55 <Stimrol> is it the mono_font setting or all of them I should change 14:34:16 <Eddi|zuHause> normal font, if you worry about signs and chat 14:34:24 <Eddi|zuHause> mono font is used for readme etc. 14:34:36 <Eddi|zuHause> large font is for newspapers 14:34:42 <Stimrol> thanks 14:34:45 <Eddi|zuHause> small font is for tiny numbers or when you zoom out 14:35:09 <Stimrol> normal is probably the medium font settings 14:35:50 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:37:58 *** jasperthecat1 [63304048@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:38:04 <kamnet> Downloading a Russian NewGRF font would help? http://forums.ttdrussia.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=2702 14:40:40 <Stimrol> Just figured this out recently, but I have my server connected to irc so I can read it there and ask mister google for some help 14:40:54 <Stimrol> as in google translate 14:47:02 <Eddi|zuHause> "Theorem: there are simple sets" 14:47:48 <Eddi|zuHause> DUH! 14:48:39 <Eddi|zuHause> "A subset |N is simple, if A is recursively enumerable and |N\A is immune" 14:49:14 <Eddi|zuHause> "A is immune if A is infinite, but no infinite subset of A is recursively enumerable" 15:19:56 <peter1138> russian newgrf font :S 15:20:22 <peter1138> i hope that's not pre-utf8 15:25:56 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 15:37:33 <Celestar> hm. 15:37:37 <Celestar> no font adjustment GUI? 15:37:38 <Celestar> :P 15:39:06 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:39:27 <Celestar> Jesus H. Christ 15:39:41 <peter1138> what? 15:40:05 <Celestar> jCxGender.requestFocus(); // will not work 15:40:14 <Celestar> ... what's the point of the line then? 15:44:25 <dihedral> Celestar, o/ 15:44:35 <Celestar> dihedral: :) 15:46:03 <Eddi|zuHause> anyone remembers that comment "doesn't work" which was commented by "WHAT doesn't work?" in the openttd code? :p 15:46:09 <Celestar> and why exactly do I have this in the code? 15:46:11 <Celestar> Toolkit.getDefaultToolkit().beep(); 15:46:19 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, yes :-) 15:49:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Celestar: reminds me of the times where you could print the beep character and the printer beeped :) 15:51:00 <Eddi|zuHause> "We take the function Phi which we defined in section 3" -- no we didn't define it in section 3, we just said there exists a function... 15:52:22 <peter1138> Date: Wed Jun 1 17:45:09 2011 +0000 15:52:27 <peter1138> hmm, my git checkout is a bit old 15:55:08 <Celestar> lmao 15:55:10 <Celestar> .. 15:55:11 <Celestar> try { idx_2 += 1; 15:55:12 <Celestar> } catch 15:55:27 <Celestar> what could POSSIBLY throw an exception here? 15:55:52 <Pinkbeast> integer overflow? 15:55:58 <Celestar> that doesn't throw .. 15:56:25 <Pinkbeast> shows you how much C++ I know 15:56:49 <peter1138> it's probably java 15:57:01 <Celestar> this is java :/ 15:57:02 <Pinkbeast> Shows you how much Java I know! 15:57:20 * dihedral knows java 15:57:29 <planetmaker> nice island. yes 15:57:45 <Celestar> anyway. going home :P 15:57:46 <Celestar> cya 15:57:57 <Rubidium> Celestar: maybe the auto type? 15:58:08 <Celestar> it's an int. 15:58:16 <Celestar> no Auto Type, no Integer. int. 15:58:41 <Eddi|zuHause> there are even trains in java :p 15:59:09 <Celestar> well making openttd in java would require it to run on a 128GB of RAM for a normal sized map :P 15:59:35 <peter1138> remember when java had that horrible built-in ui? 15:59:42 <Eddi|zuHause> Celestar: that's about the memory requirement to process CETS with nmlc := 15:59:51 <Celestar> peter1138: it still has :P 16:00:03 <peter1138> is it still there? heh 16:00:12 <peter1138> mostly it's not used anymore, fortunately 16:00:13 <Celestar> the swing shit? yah. 16:00:31 <blathijs> But the swing stuff was the new UI, right? 16:00:35 * dihedral hums 'swing low' 16:00:40 <Celestar> it's as horrible 16:00:44 <blathijs> Wasn't the old one "AWT" or something? 16:00:47 <peter1138> AWT old 16:00:51 <Celestar> yah. 16:00:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i used swing in my PraxProg course :) 16:00:55 <peter1138> Swing implements native look & feel 16:01:04 <Celestar> with a lot of luck and hacking. 16:01:08 <peter1138> yeah 16:01:13 <Celestar> otoh. this shit here uses awt. 16:01:21 <peter1138> i just remember the awful 'metal' gui 16:02:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i usually stay away from gui programming... 16:02:27 <peter1138> Celestar, and if minecraft was written in c++, it'd... actually run on a low end system 16:02:33 <Eddi|zuHause> i did something with wxpython a while ago 16:02:49 <peter1138> infinite maps in ottd! 16:03:02 <Eddi|zuHause> fraactal map generator! 16:03:20 <Eddi|zuHause> only generate the parts that have been visited once :) 16:03:33 <peter1138> that's what perlin in 16:03:34 <peter1138> *is 16:03:40 <peter1138> except not our implementation 16:03:43 <Eddi|zuHause> (which is somewhat problematic if you have a "map overview" :p 16:04:07 <peter1138> cos we have a weird version 16:04:12 <peter1138> which is slightly faster 16:04:39 <peter1138> also problematic for multiplayer 16:04:51 <peter1138> and for tile updates 16:04:55 <peter1138> vehicle updates 16:04:57 <peter1138> etc etc 16:05:01 <peter1138> just never gonna work :p 16:06:40 <Eddi|zuHause> we need toroidal and spheroidal worlds :) 16:07:16 <Eddi|zuHause> (at least the latter requires map rotation) 16:08:55 <peter1138> nah, just warp it 16:20:10 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:20:13 *** pjpe [b8af1d68@ircip2.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 16:24:18 *** mrdaft [~mrdaft@216.11.96.2] has joined #openttd 16:54:04 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-135-147.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 16:56:48 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.16.122.201] has joined #openttd 16:57:49 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 17:11:36 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:13:20 *** jasperthecat1 [63304048@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 17:14:17 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:14:35 <andythenorth> hmm, simutrans or openttd? 17:14:47 <__ln__> yes 17:14:51 <andythenorth> xor 17:16:07 <planetmaker> good evening 17:16:11 <andythenorth> lo planetmaker 17:16:57 <Eddi|zuHause> <andythenorth> xor <- there won't be much left after this operation :p 17:17:11 <andythenorth> just a few bits :P 17:17:22 <andythenorth> because they're so similar? :P 17:17:40 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but exactly the bits that won't help you if they are standalone :p 17:17:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19ABE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:26:21 *** mrdaft [~mrdaft@216.11.96.2] has quit [Quit: -] 17:27:20 *** mrdaft [~mrdaft@216.11.96.2] has joined #openttd 17:29:44 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 17:38:00 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.95.246] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:39:47 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:43:06 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:43:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:44:45 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r24894 trunk/src/settings.cpp (2013-01-08 17:44:39 UTC) 17:44:46 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5434]: Invalidate station selection window when station spread changes (based on patch by juanjo) 17:45:12 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:46:18 *** mrdaft [~mrdaft@216.11.96.2] has quit [Quit: -] 17:47:03 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.87.139] has joined #openttd 17:48:24 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4c5c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:52:34 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:56:49 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r24895 trunk/src/tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp (2013-01-08 17:56:43 UTC) 17:56:50 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5436]: Allow downgrade of road bridges in the scenario editor 18:03:06 *** mrdaft [~mrdaft@216.11.96.2] has joined #openttd 18:10:33 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.87.139] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:10:59 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r24896 trunk/src/lang/english.txt (2013-01-08 18:10:53 UTC) 18:11:00 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5420, FS#5421, FS#5422, FS#5427]: Improvements and fixes for a number of English strings 18:11:51 <Terkhen> hello 18:12:25 <planetmaker> good evening Terkhen 18:12:48 *** mrdaft [~mrdaft@216.11.96.2] has quit [Quit: -] 18:13:36 <Eddi|zuHause> new test on which translators can react within half an hour? :p 18:13:46 <planetmaker> Needs no new translations 18:14:13 <Eddi|zuHause> but it needs hitting "this translation is up to date" button :p 18:14:47 <planetmaker> I don't think so. That iirc only applies to strings which don't exist in the translation 18:16:22 <Terkhen> I play with an advantage, sometimes on IRC people comment on how slow we are 18:16:36 <planetmaker> :D 18:17:16 *** Lakie [~Lakie@cpc3-wals9-2-0-cust51.wolv.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:18:20 <Terkhen> there, done 18:20:45 <peter1138> my lego electric wires don't work 18:20:49 <peter1138> what is this nonsense? 18:21:39 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-059-143.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 18:22:28 <Belugas> plastic is not a good electric conductor ;) 18:22:35 <peter1138> hahaha no 18:35:01 <__ln__> http://i.imgur.com/NOrMu.jpg 18:35:03 <Belugas> undestood, you're testing a lego set 18:35:09 <planetmaker> hm, looking at the patch to correct spellings in comments: There are certain recurrent patterns :D 18:35:11 *** jasperthecat1 [63304048@ircip3.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 18:35:52 <Belugas> all thoe written by non english natives are wrong? 18:35:59 <Belugas> "those" 18:36:13 <planetmaker> yes, those errors, too :-P 18:36:20 <planetmaker> like missing letters 18:36:57 <planetmaker> and yes, I found also a number which surely I did introduce ;-) 18:41:12 <Eddi|zuHause> so, i suppose when i want a "2D-diff-viewer with permutation-support", i'd have to write one myself? 18:41:29 <planetmaker> err what? 18:42:13 <V453000> sounds nicely wtf 18:42:20 <Eddi|zuHause> like, i have this table, which is tab-separated, and i want the diff on a per-field basis, and if the line was moved from somewhere else, it shouldn't show as changed 18:42:59 <planetmaker> ah. I guess there the answer is 'yes'. Please provide me with your script / programme which solves that problem, though :-) 18:43:05 <planetmaker> I'm in need of that, too 18:45:36 <michi_cc> Eddi|zuHause: sort + (d)wdiff? 18:45:39 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24897 /trunk/src/lang (5 files) (2013-01-08 18:45:28 UTC) 18:45:40 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:41 <DorpsGek> bulgarian - 27 changes by pdedinski 18:45:42 <DorpsGek> traditional_chinese - 3 changes by elleryq 18:45:43 <DorpsGek> lithuanian - 30 changes by Stabilitronas 18:45:44 <DorpsGek> romanian - 12 changes by mariush 18:45:45 <DorpsGek> spanish - 1 changes by Terkhen 18:46:36 <Eddi|zuHause> what's dwdiff? 18:47:31 <michi_cc> http://linux.die.net/man/1/dwdiff 18:47:44 <michi_cc> word-level diff with configurable delimiter 18:47:54 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, that sounds useful 18:47:54 <michi_cc> And maybe also https://github.com/l0b0/diff-ignore-moved-lines 18:48:18 <michi_cc> dwdiff can also directly take a conventional diff 18:48:56 <Eddi|zuHause> i should write that down somewhere... 19:28:23 *** kamnet [4cb15ba8@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 19:41:03 *** Wakou [~stephen@host109-154-52-114.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:45:14 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:47:27 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 19:48:56 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:51:59 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host204-174-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:52:04 <Wolf01> hello 19:52:16 <Kjetil> ehlo 19:52:47 <Terkhen> hi 19:53:42 <andythenorth> hrm 19:53:47 <andythenorth> something odd has happened 19:53:48 <__ln__> perché no parliamo italiano questo notte? 19:53:57 <andythenorth> yes 19:54:39 <Wolf01> "perché nonparliamo" ;) 19:55:34 <Rubidium> andythenorth: mb released dbsetxxl? 19:55:48 <andythenorth> dunno, did he? 19:55:55 <andythenorth> :) 19:55:57 <Rubidium> you said something odd happened 19:56:03 <__ln__> it's like 14 years since i last studied any italian, and it wasn't much back then either. 19:56:08 <andythenorth> long-lost openttd people coming back 19:56:35 <Rubidium> but I reckon the release date of dbsetxxl is linked to the opening of Berlin Brandenburg airport ;) 19:56:58 <andythenorth> well michael's stuff is clearly popular :) 19:57:04 <andythenorth> he gets lots of forum love 19:59:52 <Terkhen> you may need to improve your marketing skills, andythenorth :P 20:02:49 <andythenorth> scarcity creates demand 20:03:00 * andythenorth wants a bananas totaliser btw 20:03:10 <andythenorth> I have 984k downloads or something :P 20:03:22 <andythenorth> a bell should go off when 1m is reached 20:08:41 <Pinkbeast> Hang on, I'm off to grab 16,000 copies of FIRS 20:11:54 * andythenorth is off to the pub 20:11:58 <andythenorth> bye 20:11:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:24:48 <peter1138> herpaderp 20:26:37 *** drac_boy [~drac_boy@bas1-ottawa08-1176109482.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #openttd 20:27:00 <drac_boy> hi 20:28:56 <peter1138> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4746297628062&set=oa.183863701756740&type=1&permPage=1 20:29:27 <peter1138> got the lights working :p 20:34:40 <peter1138> rename src/{spriteloader/png.hpp => widgets/date_widget.h} (59%) 20:34:48 <peter1138> i'm sure there isn't that much similar 20:44:15 <frosch123> the copyright probably 20:44:57 <peter1138> :-) 20:57:47 *** Wakou [~stephen@host109-154-52-114.range109-154.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:08:24 <DorpsGek> Commit by zuu :: r24898 trunk/src/highscore_gui.cpp (2013-01-08 21:08:18 UTC) 21:08:25 <DorpsGek> -Fix: Don't unpause the game when closing the highscore window if it was already paused before the highscore screen was shown. 21:14:43 <drac_boy> I knwo this may be a bit of a silly question but is there any settings or so in particular on openttd to help with limited hardware resource? (other than not using super map sizes) 21:16:37 <frosch123> spritecache size is far more important than map size 21:17:02 <frosch123> reduce sprite_cache_size_px in openttd.cfg 21:17:20 <frosch123> enforce 8bpp blitter by setting blitter = 8bpp-optimized 21:17:32 <frosch123> disable extrazoom by setting the min zoom level in adv. settings 21:17:59 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:20:13 <drac_boy> hm what should the cache be set to? 21:20:24 <frosch123> the unit is megapixels 21:20:29 <frosch123> so when using 8bpp it is megabytes 21:20:34 <frosch123> when using 32bpp it is 4 megabytes 21:20:51 <frosch123> ottd will become slower if you make it smaller 21:20:59 <Zuu> Turn off "Full animation" in the settings menu from inside the game. 21:21:06 <frosch123> you can regain speed by disabling the extrazoom 21:21:09 <drac_boy> hmm frosch123 so maybe something like 10MB? 21:21:13 <frosch123> which makes sprites use less memory 21:21:29 <frosch123> drac_boy: the traditional setting before extra zoom was 4 :) 21:21:47 <drac_boy> mm I think I've had that zoom thing disabled..it just looks too silly seeing fat blocks of pixels :) 21:21:58 <drac_boy> 4....ok I'll check about that later, thanks 21:26:39 <drac_boy> next month might finish swapping pieces around and that'll mean two less computers too. so just had to see if openttd would still be of useable nature or not. but I'll rather wait to actually see first ^_^ 21:28:51 <drac_boy> mm anyway frosch123 and zuu what are you two even doing? :P 21:29:08 <frosch123> drinking coffee 21:29:24 <frosch123> well, no real coffee 21:29:34 <Belugas> not real man 21:29:57 <frosch123> hot water, 3 pieces of chocolate, and a bit of coffee taste or so 21:30:08 <Zuu> drinking juice 21:30:16 <drac_boy> heh :) 21:30:17 <Belugas> coffee and rum 21:30:21 <Belugas> harharhar 21:30:40 * drac_boy is just writing some forum replies and working a bit more on this grf tracking table 21:32:09 <frosch123> oh, and listening to some chuck berry 21:34:56 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 21:36:04 <drac_boy> hi supercheese 21:36:08 <drac_boy> need more sirens? :P 21:36:23 <Supercheese> Sirens, eh? 21:36:33 <Rubidium> there haven't been any sirens in here 21:36:59 <Supercheese> From what I recall of my trips to Europe, the emergency vehicle sirens there are rather different than those here in the states 21:38:16 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:38:19 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:39:56 <Zuu> Going to bed sounds like a good idea. 21:40:12 <drac_boy> Supercheese I was just joking about your grf :) 21:40:24 <Supercheese> Too loud or somethin? 21:41:31 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-208-105-82-227.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 21:42:52 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:56:38 *** Celestar_ [~vici@dslb-178-002-031-126.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 21:59:22 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.16.122.201] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:02:26 <peter1138> hmm 22:02:54 *** Lakie [~Lakie@cpc3-wals9-2-0-cust51.wolv.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: Sleep.] 22:20:07 <frosch123> night 22:20:10 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f4c5c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:07 <peter1138> what a nasty idea 22:26:26 <peter1138> automatically chop large ship sprites up and build sub-vehicles for each part 22:27:43 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.16.122.201] has joined #openttd 22:28:44 <Terkhen> good night 22:38:24 *** Celestar_ [~vici@dslb-178-002-031-126.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:39:05 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r24899 /trunk/src (settings.cpp table/settings.ini) (2013-01-08 22:38:59 UTC) 22:39:06 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5434]: Also the station build window needs redrawing when the station spread changes (based on patch by juanjo) 22:46:49 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r24900 /trunk/src (242 files in 22 dirs) (2013-01-08 22:46:42 UTC) 22:46:50 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5389]: Comments with typos (most fixes supplied by Eagle_rainbow) 22:48:00 <planetmaker> drat... wrong FS entry :S 22:51:02 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d8223d8.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My life for Aiur] 23:00:43 *** St3f [~Anonymous@53577204.cm-6-8b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 23:02:36 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:16:09 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19ABE.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:50 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:28:10 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 23:28:27 <Supercheese> Problem: I place a water NewObject on a river slope. I go to clear the object, and the river is also destroyed... 23:28:48 <Supercheese> Unsloped river tiles still remain when the object is removed 23:33:17 <planetmaker> which version? 23:33:27 <Supercheese> 1.3.0 beta1 currently 23:33:34 <Supercheese> was that changed in a nightly since? 23:33:41 <planetmaker> nope 23:34:08 <planetmaker> I remembered then a previous thing with water and river slopes. Might be industries only then... 23:34:24 <planetmaker> Or locks even 23:34:25 <peter1138> report it :D 23:34:31 <peter1138> g;gnuit 23:34:34 <peter1138> g'night even 23:34:36 <Supercheese> will report 23:38:57 <__ln__> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/switzerland/9788155/Swiss-court-relieves-farmer-of-655-year-old-debt.html 23:45:03 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:46:42 <Flygon> ...I like how the debt is relieved just because of a legal technicality :p 23:58:28 *** Celestar_ [~vici@mnch-4d04d92f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd