Log for #openttd on 23rd January 2013:
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00:01:53  <Supercheese> I can probably get away with 8bpp
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00:26:39  <Supercheese> If I only provide 1x and 4x zoom sprites, which are used for 2x zoom?
00:27:36  <Eddi|zuHause> no idea
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00:47:44  <Eddi|zuHause>
00:55:39  <Supercheese> That must have been premeditated
00:56:36  <Supercheese> "is the time warp a keyframe I should know of?"  <- sounds too much like a troll question
00:58:58  <Superuser> hahahaha
00:59:55  <Supercheese>
01:00:00  <Supercheese> Asteroid mining, really?
01:00:12  <Supercheese> I fail to see the practicality of that...
01:01:57  <Pinkbeast> 1) Attract venture capital from people who don't realise how expensive delta-v is
01:02:02  <Pinkbeast> 2) pay self large salary
01:02:07  <Pinkbeast> 3) ... profit
01:02:15  <Supercheese> :S
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01:07:25  <Superuser> <-- what is {STRING} in this?
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01:08:45  <Supercheese> That link is not viewable to non-translators
01:11:10  <Superuser> okay
01:11:11  <Superuser> {BLACK}Capacity: {LTBLUE}None{STRING}
01:11:18  <Superuser> String name in the code: STR_VEHICLE_INFO_NO_CAPACITY
01:13:16  <Supercheese> cargo subtype, perhaps
01:13:40  <Supercheese> e.g. Capacity: X passengers (Airliner)
01:13:47  <Supercheese> as opposed to X passengers (Combi)
01:13:52  <Superuser> don't you think there should be a space between None and {STRING}
01:14:14  <Supercheese> oh wait, no capacity
01:14:16  <Supercheese> I dunno
01:14:44  <Supercheese> Capacity: None (Gear ratio x:y)
01:14:45  <Superuser> please find out
01:14:49  <Superuser> wat
01:14:51  <Supercheese> maybe
01:14:53  <Supercheese> I dunno
01:15:22  <Supercheese> NARS still uses a regearing cargo, but if it is recoded to not use it, that may be how it would look; this is all conjecture
01:15:59  <Supercheese> I am not a dev
01:16:18  <Superuser> oh okay
01:16:23  <Superuser> should I highlight a developer's name
01:17:00  <Superuser> well, they're idling here so clearly they are open for questioning. peter1138!
01:17:54  <Supercheese> Yes, it is subtype
01:18:03  <Supercheese> Line 248: train_gui.cpp
01:18:22  <Supercheese> well, 247-248: 		SetDParam(0, item->subtype);
01:18:23  <Supercheese> 		str = STR_VEHICLE_INFO_NO_CAPACITY;
01:18:43  <Supercheese> You may be right about a space being necessary
01:18:59  <Supercheese> lemme throw a test grf together
01:19:42  <Superuser> you can comprehend C++... and you are NOT a developer? o_O
01:19:47  <Supercheese> correct
01:20:14  <Superuser> anything beyond simple scripts (preferably python or ruby, shell too) baffles me :(
01:20:51  <Superuser> guess I've been spoilt by Ruby, now I can't get into ugly language like cpp
01:21:48  <Supercheese> Hmm, perhaps different vehicle types (RV, train, etc) are handled differently
01:23:21  <Supercheese> I don't have any train grfs, bah
01:24:14  <Superuser> so do you know what the {STRING} is...?
01:24:26  <Supercheese> Pretty sure, I'm testing to make sure
01:26:47  <Supercheese> Ok, confirmed, there needs to be a space there
01:27:04  <Supercheese> {STRING} turns into the Cargo subtype, as I suspected
01:33:03  <Supercheese> C++ is vastly easier to comprehend than NFO...
01:36:02  <Superuser> hmm
01:36:27  <Superuser> I think there should be a space between 'None' and {STRING}, what do you think Supercheese? Should I file a bug for this
01:37:02  <Supercheese> There should indeed be a space there, as I confirmed
01:37:35  <Supercheese> if you have webtranslator access for English, feel free to change it there
01:37:54  <Supercheese> otherwise, just tell a dev and they'll fix it, I don't quite think it warrants an official bug report
01:41:14  <Superuser> oh I file bug reports for everything. It's part of the project's history (I'm an amateur historian and I believe in recording anything and everything)
01:41:35  <Supercheese> Well, it is technically a bug, you could file one
01:41:36  <Superuser> also nope, but I wish I were granted access for English :( 3 strings have been changed already.
01:41:39  <Superuser> more actually
01:41:42  <Supercheese> "Missing space in STR_BLAHBLAH"
01:41:57  <Superuser> note that FlySpray is an ISSUE tracker :P not just bugs
01:42:16  <Superuser> just things that fuck pedantic people like me off in general
01:44:24  <Supercheese> That string is valid only for Trains with cargo capacity of zero but a valid cargo subtype, from what I've found
01:44:44  <Superuser> egg-celent
01:45:09  <Superuser> 9 tasks opened, 8 of which concern faults in English strings
01:45:13  <Superuser> feels good man
01:49:02  <Supercheese> I added my supporting evidence to
01:51:52  <Supercheese> Hmmmm
01:51:59  <Supercheese> Other places seem to not have a space...
01:52:56  <Supercheese> STR_VEHICLE_INFO_CAPACITY for example
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04:20:32  <fixi> hey folks
04:20:55  <fixi> .t
04:21:32  <fixi> anyone online?
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04:56:30  <Supercheese> fixi: I am now
04:56:42  <Supercheese> do you have a question, perhaps?
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05:43:40  <ccfreak2k> So what's the consensus on the openttd app in the google play store these days?
05:46:13  <Nat_aS> phones don't have Ctrl keys
05:46:28  <Nat_aS> so there is no way to play OTTD on an android device
05:46:29  <Nat_aS> :p
05:54:07  <ccfreak2k> Mine does.
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06:06:18  <Rubidium> I wouldn't really care, as long as we don't get the whining about the buttons being to small or OpenTTD not being properly made for mobile phones/tablets
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06:13:20  <fixi> hey
06:13:24  <fixi> so
06:13:38  <fixi> i was just about to start my very first openttd server
06:13:42  <fixi> for personal use
06:13:47  <fixi> on a 128MB linux vps
06:14:00  <fixi> i didnt know if its going to be possible
06:14:05  <fixi> but it seems all ok
06:14:07  <fixi> for now
06:14:08  <fixi> :)
06:14:38  <fixi> sorry its a 256M one
06:14:41  <fixi> whatever
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08:32:39  <jamesgo> How are the version strings for Cargodist releases generated?  For instance, gbc6b29cd-cd.  Are they something to do with Git commit ids?
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08:38:16  <peter1138> yes
08:40:04  <Supercheese> Hmm, I'm trying to find why ships whose max speed is set above 88 via callback still can't exceed 88 mph in actual velocity
08:40:21  <Supercheese> the displayed speed increpents past, but the actual on-screen speed resets to zero
08:40:47  <Supercheese> increments*
08:41:21  <Supercheese> I'm wondering if it has something to do with "(byte)spd;"
08:41:46  <Supercheese> some kind of inline typecasting?
08:42:24  <FLHerne> Wasn't there moaning about that in the Ekranoplan thread?
08:42:42  <Supercheese> I'm trying to actually find the cause, rather than moaning :P
08:42:57  <Supercheese> the ShipAccelerate function in ship_cmd.cpp seems a likely candidate
08:43:15  <jamesgo> peter1138: Thanks, do you know the exact format?  Eight characters in the version string change with each release, but commit ids are usually seven characters
08:44:23  <peter1138> git ids are sha1 hashes
08:44:37  <peter1138> 40 characters
08:44:46  <peter1138> the first 8 are used
08:45:29  <peter1138> Supercheese, no, that's part of the algorithm
08:46:23  <Supercheese> Well, I'm wondering if there's anything in here that causes the strange reset-when-88mph-reached behavior:
08:48:05  <Eddi|zuHause> Supercheese: no, that just decides whether the vehicle should advance one step
08:48:50  <jamesgo> peter1138: Ah, I see.  Thanks for your help
08:50:03  <Eddi|zuHause> Supercheese: what you see is time machine kicking in at 88mph :p
08:50:09  <Supercheese> -_-
08:50:16  <peter1138> actually 88mph or 80mph?
08:51:22  <peter1138> 80mph is represented by 256. 88mph is between 281..282
08:51:49  <Supercheese> Hmm, actually the ship freaks out at various speeds
08:52:28  <Supercheese> I've set a ship speed to 300 mph via callback
08:53:01  <Supercheese> it often resets to 0mph when it hits 80*n mph
08:53:06  <Supercheese> but sometimes makes it past
08:53:31  <Supercheese> like now, it just made it to 100-ish mph
08:53:34  <Eddi|zuHause> Supercheese: probably it shouldn't even allow to set this kind of speed
08:54:38  <Supercheese> when it changes direction, it also seems to freak out
08:55:11  <peter1138> well max_speed is 16 bits for ships
08:55:21  <peter1138> although i don't think that's original
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08:56:09  <Supercheese> the on-screen number always increments properly
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08:56:21  <Supercheese> but the actual speed, not so much
08:56:22  <peter1138> oh well thanks for saying so
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08:57:20  <peter1138> reason is the ship controller doesn't handle multiple movements per tick
08:57:29  <peter1138> so it can't go above 255
08:57:34  <peter1138> which is just below 80 mp
08:57:35  <peter1138> *mph
08:57:46  <peter1138> but you got fixated on 88mph :p
08:57:50  <Supercheese> yeah >_>
08:58:16  <Supercheese> which file should I have looked at, then?
08:58:19  <TexasPete> lol he wanted to time travel
09:03:02  <dihedral> greetings
09:09:11  <Supercheese> Hmm, the ShipController function confuses me, I am insufficiently familiar with the code
09:11:53  <peter1138> how do you think you'll get familiar with it?
09:12:03  <Supercheese> I'm working on that right now
09:12:05  <Supercheese> :D
09:16:50  <Supercheese> Hmm, I don't understand some of these operators, bitwise stuff it seems
09:19:06  <Supercheese> They seem simple enough, I've just never encountered them before
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09:30:37  <Supercheese> anyway, sleep time
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10:30:22  <NGC3982> Morning.
10:37:52  <TexasPete> morning
10:49:24  <peter1138> hmm, transfer/no load + refit?
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10:53:04  <Celestar> foobarbaz?
10:56:00  <peter1138> apprently a remote X11 app on a laggy ssh connection can make the xserver lag :S
11:01:29  <peter1138> looks like it's a restriction enforced in the ui only
11:01:50  <peter1138> setting no load forced no refit
11:01:55  <peter1138> and the ui will represent that
11:02:08  <peter1138> but if it's laggy or something in the meantime, you can change the refit
11:02:17  <peter1138> cos that doesn't check for no load
11:05:45  <peter1138>
11:05:59  <peter1138> (doesn't fix the savegame mind you)
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12:32:16  <peter1138> exciting
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13:10:17  <peter1138>
13:10:18  <peter1138> hehe
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13:17:26  <peter1138> hi
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13:30:48  <Eddi|zuHause>
13:32:29  <peter1138> yup, that needed photo effects
13:38:36  <NGC3982> Hah.
13:38:57  <NGC3982> I can't figure out what's funnier, the Instagram of a tweet screenshot, or the actual quote.
13:41:05  <peter1138> the joke's pretty poor
13:41:42  <NGC3982> As is my ambition of todays training
13:41:57  <NGC3982> An hour of running, 200+200kcal of cross-trainer. I do not look forward to it
13:42:06  <NGC3982> I want to stay home, and continue ruining my server game.
13:46:13  <peter1138>
13:52:11  <NGC3982> I hope nobody was injured.
13:53:08  <NGC3982> 21 lightly injured, and no deaths.
13:53:22  <Pinkbeast> Coo, how on Earth did they manage to overturn that crane?
13:53:37  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm getting numbers 13 to 15
13:54:28  <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: yes, - "Of 21 injured on the scene only 15 were taken to the nearest hospital, all of them with minor injuries and discharged this morning."
13:54:51  <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: must have been lost in translation
13:55:16  <NGC3982> Did this happend yesterday?
13:55:32  <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: Was Bill Murray on the train?
13:55:54  <Eddi|zuHause> i never actually watched that movie
13:56:26  <NGC3982> I love it.
13:56:50  <NGC3982> Scarlett Johanssons utopian behind, and Murray's lack of interest in everything.
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14:23:56  <peter1138> pom te pom
14:24:05  <dihedral> hello
14:24:48  <Anna30F> hello
14:27:32  <Anna30F> join me, it's free =>
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14:30:04  <Stimrol> Hello, I have been trying to start Autopilot from crontab after I update the server, but I always get this error --> : spawn id exp6 not open...
14:32:13  <Stimrol> This seams to have something to do with no user, but I am running the crontab as the user who runs it normally. But if I echo $USER it is blank and $PATH includes path for the program running tcl scripts. The script I run from crontab is BASH script calling TLC script if that says something
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14:43:16  <Belugas> and from the cold mouth of freezing hell, I salute you all
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14:49:58  <peter1138> Belugas, :D
14:56:54  <dihedral> Stimrol, looks more like the thing wants a tty
14:57:17  <Belugas> hi peter1138 :)
14:57:25  <dihedral> autopilot is not desinged to run outside a terminal
14:57:36  <dihedral> your best move is to use it with something like screen
15:13:53  <Stimrol> Okey that is the case, was beginning to think that
15:16:02  <Stimrol> so all the servers useing somekind of middle way to be able to have commands and irc are just manual run from terminal screen, no autorun
15:16:20  <Stimrol> thanks for the hehlp dihedral
15:16:50  <dihedral> Stimrol, not quite
15:17:06  <dihedral> screen is a command, get familiar with it ;-)
15:17:26  <Pinkbeast> Except get familiar with tmux instead
15:17:52  <dihedral> Pinkbeast, not helpful ;-)
15:17:53  <Stimrol> yes I have heard of screen, bu never tryed it. My friend runs minecraft server on it :)
15:18:21  <dihedral> you can make a bash script which will create a screen session and automatically start autopilot in that
15:18:35  <Pinkbeast> Yes, helpful - no-one should start using screen today, tmux is strictly better.
15:18:43  <Pinkbeast> It's like using "more".
15:18:53  <dihedral> and if you feel fancy (and to keep Pinkbeast happy and quite) you can look at alternatives to screen ;-)
15:19:23  <Stimrol> I always user more :)
15:20:33  <Pinkbeast> Stimrol: but would you tell someone to use "more", or "less"?
15:20:53  <Stimrol> then another small thing, isn't autopilot the most used of them
15:21:30  <michi_cc> ß
15:21:45  <peter1138> Ω
15:21:47  <Stimrol> yes I would maybe tell someone to user more to look at some log file
15:22:00  <michi_cc> Note to self: don't drop things on the keyboard ;)
15:22:24  <Stimrol> specially for fluid
15:22:27  <Stimrol> :)
15:24:20  <Stimrol> history | more that is also my friend
15:24:24  <Pinkbeast> Fine, then, use screen and don't complain when UTF-8 fails miserably. :-)
15:25:01  <Stimrol> but what instead of more
15:25:04  <dihedral> Pinkbeast, can you please play hide and go fuck yourself?
15:25:08  <dihedral> you are quite annoying
15:25:31  <Pinkbeast> What the devil's your problem?
15:25:41  <dihedral> and if you insist in being annoying, i'll happily welcome another stupid nick to my local ignore list ;-)
15:26:02  <Pinkbeast> Be my guest.
15:27:16  <Stimrol> did not trouble my, think this was okay discussion, good to also know about tmux and dislike of more :D
15:27:59  <Pinkbeast> Stimrol: well, I guess I can explain to you, at least. You might use "more" out of habit, but "less" is just better - so I would expect you to recommend "less" to other people.
15:28:35  <Pinkbeast> And likewise I _do_ use "screen" out of habit, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone else, because "tmux" is pretty much like it except eg it handles Unicode well.
15:29:17  <Stimrol> yes probably true, I havent got used to using less, but sometimes do, but more I use much more. But it is true it is just out of habbit
15:29:21  <dihedral> thing is that 'better' is no valid reason
15:29:30  <Pinkbeast> I thought you'd ignored me?
15:29:49  <dihedral> unless you can argue aside of personal preference
15:30:01  <Pinkbeast> Sure, and it's not a bad habit to have, but I'd always recommend something that works better to someone else.
15:30:03  <dihedral> i said "if you insist in being annoying" ;-)
15:30:25  <Pinkbeast> It's not a personal preference to have non-ASCII characters handled correctly!
15:30:27  <dihedral> again "works better" has no real value
15:30:44  <Stimrol> this is not that heated that it should be the cause of ignore list I think. But if utf8 is a problem for screen then I understand it, I need utf8 most of the time
15:31:24  <Pinkbeast> So perhaps what you meant is "I don't know about tmux, could you explain why you think it is better", rather than "fuck yourself"?
15:31:37  <blathijs> screen can use utf8 just as well, no problems here (but I've also heard people say that tmux is the new screen, so might as well start using that)
15:31:58  <dihedral> now that is a statement ;-)
15:32:03  <Pinkbeast> blathijs: It certainly can be made to work, but it's full of pitfalls.
15:32:15  <dihedral> i've never had issues with screen
15:32:26  <__ln__> screen supports a subset of unicode. admittedly a subset that is sufficient for almost everybody at least in western world.
15:32:28  <Stimrol> And for me I am thankfull for this help, one pointing to screen and other to tmux and that is good to have a choose and find what fits better for my uses
15:33:48  <Stimrol> I am a peacekeeper hehe
15:34:45  <dihedral> Pinkbeast, jumping in with 'tmux is better' does not help - hence 'not helpful' - a reference to 'screen can cause problems with utf8 - a replacement for screen is tmux and you might want to look into that instead' is helpful
15:34:48  <blathijs> Pinkbeast: Dunno, I think that if you set up a proper utf-8 locale, it works out of the box
15:35:43  <Pinkbeast> dihedral: Well, yes, it does; it tells Stimrol what they need to know. If you happen to be ill-informed, you can ask.
15:36:12  <Pinkbeast> Put it this way, I'll say "less is better than more" without automatically appending a description of why.
15:36:57  <Stimrol> is it easy to let bash script run something in this or that window in screen or tmux, maybe something mr google will explain easily for me
15:37:07  <dihedral> i want people to have to page through a long service agreement when installing software, what would you use? i hear you always say less is better?
15:37:18  <dihedral> just as an example
15:37:28  <Stimrol> hehe
15:37:42  <Pinkbeast> Both screen and tmux have a "run this command on startup" argument
15:38:19  <Pinkbeast> A asks that question. B says "use more". C says "less is better than more". C has told A what they need to know. If B happens to be ignorant of less, they can ask C, or not.
15:43:29  <Stimrol> I had been trying to have nightly server for test, and update 20:00 GMT each night and if there is new build then, then restart autopilot, and you say that is possible with crontab and both screen and tmux. Because I am not running it on startup every time in tmux and screen.
15:45:03  <dihedral> Pinkbeast, continuing with 'less is better' without supplying any information is just silly, sorry for that. and discussing this after Stimrol is happy and has enough information is just a waste of more time.
15:45:23  <Pinkbeast> If you feel that way you are of course at liberty to stop discussing it.
15:46:04  <glx> dihedral: less is better because it can go backward ;)
15:46:12  <dihedral> hehe
15:46:29  <Stimrol> but anyway thanks for the help all of you, probably not the last time :)
15:46:30  <Pinkbeast> But, no, C is not obliged to anticipate B's ignorance.
15:46:35  <glx> that's the real information
15:46:52  <Pinkbeast> Stimrol: tmux -c shell-command ; dunno the screen-ism off the top of my head. By the way.
15:50:07  <dihedral> do you actually have a hard time at work some times or do you still go to school?
15:50:27  <dihedral> i am just curious
15:50:56  <Pinkbeast> I'm not really interesting in engaging with your nerd-rage.
15:51:07  <dihedral> lol
15:51:09  <dihedral> cute
16:00:19  <peter1138> stupid evolution
16:00:24  <peter1138> (the email client)
16:00:48  <peter1138> seems i have to quit and restart to make account settings changes actually apply :S
16:01:20  <Stimrol> I was happy when ubuntu started using thunderbird as default instead of evolution
16:01:44  <peter1138> evolution is way nicer than thunderbird
16:04:15  <dihedral> peter1138, it's "better" ;-)
16:04:19  <Stimrol> I could not use the address book in evolution because it presumes every country have "lastname,firstname" but my country never have it that way. It is the first thing I remember why I disliked it
16:11:12  <Pinkbeast>
16:12:45  <peter1138> it doesn't force lastname, firstname for me
16:15:34  <Stimrol> I dont remember how it was, some years ago. But I think I could not enter names as first name last name, and I had to select for each and evry address I added that I would like to file it as Full name. Then at that time, it always stored all the addresses as lastname, firstname in ubuntu one
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16:39:31  <Stimrol> about tmux, I run /usr/bin/tmux new-session -d ./autopilot.tcl  .... and I see it is running, but can I switch to the session and see it or you control it through rcon commands?
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16:45:34  <Pinkbeast> What does "tmux attach" do?
16:46:30  <Pinkbeast> -d says "detach" so I would expect attach to give it back to you.
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16:56:46  <Stimrol> Pinkbeast, that worked, that opened the right session
16:58:09  <Pinkbeast> When you have multiple tmux sessions you may need -t name to sort them out
16:59:15  <Stimrol> okey
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17:11:33  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't use "more" or "less", i just use a terminal with a large buffer
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17:17:00  <Terkhen> hello
17:20:43  <Stimrol> thanks Pinkbeast and dihedral I now have this working as intended :)
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17:21:25  <peter1138> hmm, ought to finish this waypoint restriction patch before it gets obsolete again
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17:30:31  <NGC3982> Evening.
17:31:23  <NGC3982> If i build roads adjacent to a town, will that in any way help town growth?
17:31:34  <Pinkbeast> I don't believe so.
17:32:46  <NGC3982> For instance, and
17:33:19  <Pinkbeast> I don't believe that serves any purpose. ICBW.
17:34:38  <NGC3982> Heh.
17:36:45  <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: it may slightly improve town growth
17:37:06  <Pinkbeast> Oh, because it considers "build a road or a building", "can't build a road"?
17:37:27  <NGC3982> That was my impression
17:45:26  <FLHerne> peter1138: Waypoint restriction patch? TTDPish?
17:48:07  <peter1138> dunno, i don't play ttdpatch
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17:48:37  <peter1138> NGC3982, yes it will
17:48:51  <peter1138> NGC3982, it makes it more like to build a house than a road
17:49:09  <NGC3982> So, something like Pinkbeast said?
17:49:26  <NGC3982> "Build a road ..oh, wait. Already there. *House*."
17:49:43  <Pinkbeast> Mind you, I don't want too much town growth. Stay nice and small, chaps, until I've built you a Hauptbahnhof
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18:05:31  <NGC3982> My god. Trains that share orders, does not share Service intervals, right?
18:06:06  <Pinkbeast> But if you clone a lot of trains and send them out together, they'll tend to want servicing together...
18:08:03  <frosch123> servicing intervals are about the biggest mess in ottd :p
18:08:12  <peter1138> i have a patch for service intervals...
18:08:31  <NGC3982> I tried it out, and it's not shared.
18:08:34  <Pinkbeast> To say nothing of vehicles wanting servicing having such a talent for picking wildly inappropriate depots :-/
18:08:35  <NGC3982> And that's a good thing
18:08:37  <NGC3982> For me, right now.
18:08:48  <NGC3982> Pinkbeast: Indeed..
18:09:33  <NGC3982> I have never used anything but default service intervals, and i did actually think about it right now. In my current game, i'm running with breakdowns, and i solved it by putting depot orders on all of the shared trains.
18:09:42  <NGC3982> I could aswell turn servicing off.
18:15:04  <peter1138> hmm, should a fix for FS#5446 fix possibly-broken savegames?
18:15:47  <frosch123> no, just let them sell the vehicle
18:16:05  <peter1138> true
18:17:22  <peter1138> i guess i'd have to patch the ui to let me try to apply the command to see if it's fixed :p
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18:26:09  <Alberth> moin
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18:33:34  <DorpsGek> Commit by peter1138 :: r24936 trunk/src/order_cmd.cpp (2013-01-23 18:33:28 UTC)
18:33:35  <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5446]: Don't allow order refit to be set for no-load orders.
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18:43:20  <Wolf01> o/
18:43:49  <Alberth> \o
18:43:59  <NGC3982> Personal thoughts with Pax trains: Many short ones, or few long ones?
18:44:26  <Eddi|zuHause> yes
18:44:44  <Wolf01> ahah
18:45:03  <Alberth> many, no matter how long
18:45:07  <Wolf01> I think green is better
18:45:19  <Alberth> oh, good point
18:45:41  <Alberth> pax like green
18:45:43  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24937 /trunk/src/lang (5 files in 2 dirs) (2013-01-23 18:45:31 UTC)
18:45:44  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:45  <DorpsGek> greek - 38 changes by Evropi
18:45:46  <DorpsGek> korean - 1 changes by telk5093
18:45:47  <DorpsGek> tamil - 1 changes by aswn
18:45:48  <DorpsGek> turkish - 10 changes by magnum06
18:45:49  <DorpsGek> vietnamese - 1 changes by nglekhoi
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18:51:37  <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: :D
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18:55:51  <Eddi|zuHause> hmm... "dbg: [driver] extmidi: set volume not implemented"
18:57:15  <peter1138> it's not
18:57:22  <peter1138> and never will be
18:57:23  <peter1138> so...
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19:44:38  <andythenorth> hi
19:45:52  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r24938 /trunk/src (62 files in 3 dirs) (2013-01-23 19:45:47 UTC)
19:45:53  <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5447-ish]: Never put a space between cargo name and subtype.
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19:55:34  <Alberth> ih
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20:00:06  <DorpsGek> Commit by peter1138 :: r24939 /trunk/src (autoreplace_cmd.cpp autoreplace_gui.cpp) (2013-01-23 20:00:00 UTC)
20:00:07  <DorpsGek> -Fix: Redraw autoreplace window properly in network games.
20:00:35  <NGC3982> My life just gave me a what we call "i-landsproblem".
20:00:51  <NGC3982> Too much stuff on map, too few transistors in CPU.
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20:11:20  <LSky`> sup everyone, looking for someone who can compile OpenTTD for my server, needs a few patches, nothing extraordinary
20:12:28  <__ln__> 1. download source, 2. apply patches, 3. compile, 4. profit
20:12:56  <Alberth> running a patched server is not going to work, in general
20:13:30  <Alberth> since your clients are going to need to use the exact same version
20:13:34  <LSky`> Luckily
20:13:39  <LSky`> I have an established community
20:13:44  <LSky`> Who all download modded clients
20:13:49  <LSky`> So that part is covered
20:14:03  <LSky`> Its just that the person who used to compile the clients and server for me, hasnt been around
20:14:59  <peter1138> it's not particularly hard
20:15:17  <andythenorth> I can manage it
20:15:19  <andythenorth> on OS X
20:15:24  <andythenorth> which is made for bubble-heads
20:15:31  <Alberth> assuming your patches apply cleanly :p
20:15:34  <LSky`> So Ive been told, I tried this myself but the amount of programs one has to download, an the fact that I dont have OSX or linux...
20:15:44  <LSky`> Theyre pretty mainstream patches
20:15:53  <LSky`> But I just want to add one to what we use now
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20:16:22  <peter1138> so you're running the server on a windows machine? yuck :p
20:16:30  <LSky`> No
20:16:47  <LSky`> The server is linux, we need Windows compiles for the clients
20:20:25  <LSky`> Anyway, if anyone can spare some time and can help me with this, please let me know/send a PM or whatever. Ill be around
20:20:55  <NGC3982> peter1138: Running a dedicated OpenTTD server in Windows is beyond great.
20:21:42  <NGC3982> The only thing lacking is SSH connectivity, for stuff that's non-rcon-able.
20:22:01  <peter1138> well you can handle that with cygwin
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20:24:32  <Zuu> NGC3982: According to wikipedia, the translation of "i-landsproblem" is "first world problem", though I have no idea if there are shades of differences between the english and swedish term.
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20:27:21  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think i've heard that term in german
20:27:40  <Eddi|zuHause> although there is "Luxusproblem", which may mean something similar, or not...
20:27:54  <andythenorth> semantics is a first world problem :P
20:27:57  <andythenorth> (not really)
20:28:07  <NGC3982> Zuu: The usage in Swedish does mean just that, but with a great deal of sarcasm.
20:28:10  <NGC3982> It's a hipster thing.
20:28:29  <peter1138> smelled of apples
20:29:08  <NGC3982> As far as i know, the Swedish scetch TV-show "Hipp! Hipp!" used it to show the meta-irony of how the expression is used.
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20:31:07  <Zuu> NGC3982: yes, it was featured in Hipp! Hipp!.
20:31:54  <NGC3982> And then, i guess, for some reason - I see a great deal of difference in a simple first world problem, and the usage of "dagens i-landsproblem".
20:32:07  <andythenorth> hrm
20:32:08  <andythenorth> hax
20:32:25  <NGC3982> Why do i get the feeling i make this channel filthy with OT every evening?
20:34:02  <__ln__> This channel exists for off-topicness.
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20:34:57  <andythenorth> so does your mum
20:34:58  <andythenorth> eh?
20:35:03  * andythenorth had a teenage moment there
20:35:07  <andythenorth> let's move on
20:35:37  <andythenorth> peter1138 no-one played our game much recently :P
20:35:39  <andythenorth> still 2012
20:35:42  <peter1138> i did a bit
20:35:50  <andythenorth> and flherne is killing us
20:36:01  <andythenorth> my bauxite 747s make no money :(
20:41:14  <__ln__> NGC3982: Were you at some point making TTD+Tron-style music?
20:41:51  <NGC3982> __ln__: Indeed i was.
20:42:01  <__ln__> Great success?
20:42:44  <NGC3982> Well, it was actually in two parts. The first try was actual Transport Tycoon music in Tron style. The second attempt was Tron-ish music, just ..fitting enough.
20:43:07  <NGC3982> TT music is very jiggly and slapdash, Tron music is not.
20:43:52  <NGC3982> A new attempt would be fun.
20:45:45  <__ln__> I'd be interested to hear such combination.
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20:53:03  <__ln__> NGC3982: What do you think, was Tron Legacy soundtrack made by Daft Punk alone, or did they get guidance from Hans Zimmer?
21:05:44  <NGC3982> The music was made by Hanz Zimmer, and he instructed Thomas and Guy-Manuel.
21:06:17  <NGC3982> Mr. Zimmer is more then well involved in electronic music composition.
21:07:13  <peter1138> hmm, i need to emulate network lag
21:07:26  <peter1138> preferably in single player :p
21:10:02  <__ln__> NGC3982: I don't think mr. Zimmer is officially listed as the composer anywhere?
21:12:58  <frosch123> peter1138: just add a sleep in the server command receiver
21:13:04  <frosch123> then start the server locally
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21:18:21  <peter1138> hmmm
21:20:55  <NGC3982> __ln__: I have no idea.
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21:21:59  <peter1138> i added a sleep in ReceiveCommand
21:22:08  <NGC3982> Simply listening to it should make sufficient evidence of him being the prior composer
21:22:09  <peter1138> NetworkGameSocketHandler::ReceiveCommand()
21:22:22  <NGC3982> It's not really Daft Punk music
21:22:36  <peter1138> however that actually makes the client lock up for the sleep duration...
21:22:39  <NGC3982> Though, it's not really important. They made it together, and i like it.
21:22:39  <NGC3982> :)
21:22:49  <peter1138> hmm, of course
21:23:14  <peter1138> that's right, both client & server receive :p
21:23:28  <NGC3982> __ln__: And, he is too listed. His company is, apparently.
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21:28:22  <__ln__> Okay then.
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21:30:25  <NGC3982> He's a bloody genious.
21:32:15  <Eddi|zuHause> does Hans Zimmer even compose anything himself anymore? i think he has some kind of "composing manufacture", like rembrandt had a painting manufacture, where he employed people to paint in his style
21:32:37  <peter1138> < remove pointless dirties
21:33:25  <__ln__> Good question.
21:33:59  <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: Well, i would say.. Yes. The more experimental (non-movie) music seems to be nothing but him. Although, the Trons of the Caribean is a huge amount of people.
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21:37:29  <NGC3982> I need lingual help.
21:37:38  <peter1138> bling!ual
21:37:39  <NGC3982> What is the difference between a "personal letter" and a "serial letter"?
21:37:55  <peter1138> personal is specific to one person
21:38:04  <peter1138> serial is the same letter for a load of recipients
21:38:12  <peter1138> i guess :p
21:38:24  <NGC3982> Uhm, allright.
21:38:34  <NGC3982> I'm trying to communicate with a german customer
21:42:44  <Eddi|zuHause> NGC3982: serial letter is where you have one form and just (automatically) insert name, adress and stuff
21:42:49  <NGC3982> __ln__: Ill make sure to URL you when i manage to complete the music.
21:43:00  <NGC3982> Eddi|zuHause: Oh, i see.
21:43:01  <__ln__> Excellent.
21:43:06  <NGC3982> I also see where i f*cked up.
21:43:48  <NGC3982> three hundred thousand kronor, lost.
21:46:18  <__ln__> What happened?
21:47:38  <NGC3982> We made mystery calls (equals: Hired by a company pretending to be a customer, evaluating their own customer services) for one of the biggest car manufacturer on the planet
21:48:52  <NGC3982> I was responsible for the entire project, and i managed to miss a small detail in how we should save and present our work
21:48:59  <NGC3982> For an entire year.
21:54:28  <frosch123> night
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21:58:37  <__ln__> Oh.
22:02:08  <andythenorth>  bed time
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22:16:15  <Superuser> where the hell is frosch
22:16:20  <Superuser> tell him to get on RIGHT NOW
22:16:28  <Superuser> K
22:16:30  <Superuser> I am so mad
22:16:39  <NGC3982> 22:54 < frosch123> night
22:18:36  <Superuser> when was that in your local time? It's 22:16 here
22:19:11  <NGC3982> Oh, sorry. Yes. It was thirty minutes ago.
22:19:12  <__ln__> i don't think frosch is a psychiatrist, so he's the wrong person to contact if you're mad.
22:19:29  <NGC3982> I think he is.
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22:19:59  <NGC3982> Let's call a Schrodinger on him and state that he is one, until we observe him not to be one.
22:20:14  <Superuser> mad as in butt hurt
22:20:18  <NGC3982> Superuser: Can we help you?
22:20:46  <Superuser> no this is between me and him okay, just this is the only way he can be contacted
22:20:50  <Superuser> everything is his fault
22:20:53  <Superuser> EVERYTHING
22:20:56  <Superuser> or hers, who knows
22:21:18  <NGC3982> That would make our psychiatrist hypothesis less plausible.
22:22:10  <__ln__> everything can't possibly be his fault.
22:22:47  <__ln__> because at least 38.4% of everything is Bjarni's fault
22:23:17  <NGC3982> __ln__: This is one of the tracks that originally was made to be a OpenTTron piece. It was later changed and used in Brady Haran's Youtube projects;
22:24:04  <NGC3982> __ln__: It was originally very dark, and in natural minor.
22:24:27  <NGC3982> Maybe, i should re-make the original music
22:24:40  <NGC3982> an*
22:25:25  <Terkhen> good night
22:26:42  <__ln__> Not quite enough TT in it yet, imho.
22:27:35  <NGC3982> Yes, i had to abandon that principle
22:28:13  <NGC3982> Rag-time and big band jazz ensemble is unfortunately not that compatible with ambient and electronic music.
22:28:25  <__ln__> Superuser: we can't wait for details the whole night.
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22:28:39  * NGC3982 actually enjoys playing rag-time more then ambient.
22:28:51  <__ln__> *than
22:28:58  <NGC3982> When on earth do i use then.
22:29:17  <__ln__> When you mean then.
22:29:18  <NGC3982> I actually started with than, and changed it to then.
22:29:26  * NGC3982 googles.
22:29:48  <__ln__> De Àr två olika ord på svenska, du måste veta skillnaden mellan dom.
22:29:50  <NGC3982> Why do i not know this.
22:29:58  <NGC3982> Det*
22:30:22  <NGC3982> Well, i see the difference now. Time and comparisons made it a bit clearer.
22:30:38  <NGC3982> Don't ask me why i can manage this in french but not in english.
22:31:12  <__ln__> Du skulle inte sÀga du "tycker mera om rag-time sedan ambient"?
22:31:32  <NGC3982> Yes, i know. You don't have to throw it in my face. :P
22:31:56  <__ln__> I don't mean to..
22:32:02  <NGC3982> I have been lazy with the english since school.
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22:34:09  <NGC3982> You should see the germans i have been working with
22:34:38  <NGC3982> "do u hav di reports yes?"
22:36:29  <__ln__> "di reports" or "zi reports"?
22:37:20  <Eddi|zuHause> ENGLISH ONLY!!!!
22:37:35  <__ln__> alright. Hans Room.
22:38:53  <Eddi|zuHause> __ln__: i think "di" is more likely when dealing with germans
22:39:26  <Eddi|zuHause> at least with germans with low english skills
22:42:01  <__ln__> ok
22:48:16  <Wolf01> 'night
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23:03:46  <NGC3982> __ln__: Thank you for reminding me. I just sat down at my studio, and ill try to resume the OpenTTron work.
23:07:20  <__ln__> np
23:08:39  <__ln__> NGC3982: You could also experiment with OpenTTDredd style.
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23:16:18  <NGC3982> As in Judge piece-of-crap-fake-movie Dredd?
23:16:40  <__ln__> Not the one with Stallone, no.
23:17:04  <__ln__> The new one with Karl Urban as Dredd.
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23:18:37  <NGC3982> Ah
23:18:42  <NGC3982> Wait what
23:18:49  <NGC3982> Isnt Stallone in the new movie?
23:19:01  <__ln__> Nope.
23:19:31  <MNIM> wut.
23:19:45  <MNIM> stallone is the lawr!
23:19:57  <__ln__> MNIM: nonsense.
23:20:17  <__ln__> NGC3982:
23:20:34  <Eddi|zuHause> speaking of stallone, what was this rumor about a expendables-movie with women?
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23:22:56  <__ln__> sounds like charlie's angels or something.
23:24:34  <__ln__> NGC3982: but to get an idea of the style of the soundtrack:
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23:28:26  <NGC3982> Ill have a listen
23:28:34  <NGC3982> I'm at the moment filled with bass and euphoria.
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23:43:09  <NGC3982> __ln__: How square.
23:43:14  <NGC3982> Huge amount of pun intended.
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