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00:05:24 *** Celestar_ [~vici@mnch-4d04fbbc.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:06:33 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 00:10:50 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-208-105-82-227.nyc.biz.rr.com] has left #openttd [] 00:24:10 <Supercheese> "Transfer and wait for any full load with auto-refit to available cargo" 00:24:13 <Supercheese> Gets a bit wordy 00:39:53 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:44:54 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@84.40.82.221] has joined #openttd 00:56:01 <Flygon> It's not wordy 00:56:03 <Flygon> It's Treky! 00:56:11 <Flygon> In fact 00:56:20 <Flygon> It sounds just like something from the bridge of the Enterprise 00:57:13 <peter1138> hm 00:58:44 <Supercheese> You could abbreviate it as T&WAFLw/AR2AC :P 01:07:46 *** Kjetil [kjetil@161.81-166-7.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Server closed connection] 01:08:55 *** doki_pen [~doki_pen@doki-pen.org] has left #openttd [] 01:11:12 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:11:50 <peter1138> YCAIA 01:12:18 *** DabuYu [DoubleYou@128.250.79.247] has quit [] 01:12:48 *** Kjetil [kjetil@161.81-166-7.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 01:13:34 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@84.40.82.221] has quit [Quit: Tvel] 01:22:48 *** DabuYu [~jkuckartz@128.250.79.247] has joined #openttd 01:23:59 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 01:26:41 *** Nat_aS [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:50:56 *** Superuser [~root@host86-152-172-169.range86-152.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:52:13 <Flygon> YOLO 02:02:48 <peter1138> if you're a cat, YOLTT 02:03:02 <Supercheese> Ten? Not nine? 02:03:22 <peter1138> thrice thrice 02:04:11 <Supercheese> I see... 02:16:28 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@89.246.189.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:22:44 *** Flygon is now known as Flurret 02:22:48 <Flurret> I'ma part cat :P 02:22:51 *** Flurret is now known as Flygon 02:37:14 *** Nat_aS [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 03:06:05 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 03:14:40 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:16:30 *** pugi_ [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-009-229.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 03:19:55 *** EyeMWing [~Wing@c-68-33-226-154.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:21:38 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:22:00 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 03:22:14 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-189-017.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit 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[~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-009-229.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 04:38:07 <Flygon> Man 04:38:19 <Flygon> peter1138: Pre-Christ GRF :P 04:38:33 <Flygon> Also, I really want Tram and Bus stations on Bridges D: 04:40:29 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-12-222.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 04:40:38 <Pikka> cool, oftc let me in 04:41:02 <Pikka> early metal doesn't work, btw 04:45:04 <Pikka> hmm 04:45:13 <Supercheese> ? 04:45:29 <Pikka> what with the declutter parameter I might want to extend the life of some of the smaller tank locos in UKRS2... 04:45:58 <Supercheese> Jinties and the like? 04:46:04 <Supercheese> Or would that be Jintys? 04:46:48 <Supercheese> 1890-1970, impressive lifetime http://users.tt-forums.net/pikka/wiki/index.php?title=0-6-0_Jinty 04:52:16 <Pikka> pannier tanks at least 04:52:44 <Pikka> with the declutter parameter they disappear in the mid 50s, when they should probably stay available until the diesels that replace them 04:53:49 *** V453000 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[~sammich@d58-106-12-222.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:27:11 <peter1138> http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=168249 11:27:13 <peter1138> best ever 11:32:13 <Pikka> yes? 11:32:23 <peter1138> pikka :D 11:32:52 <Pikka> does it? 11:32:59 <peter1138> what who 11:33:10 <Pikka> si 11:36:14 <Pikka> but the real question is 11:36:32 <Pikka> whither coffee icecream? 11:36:41 <peter1138> no 11:37:10 <peter1138> http://git.fuzzle.org/openttd.git/commit/?h=railtype_nocombine&id=9aa7962aea38f4c6e7728c2b7e5432e83ed45cfb 11:37:15 <peter1138> so yeah, was that useful to you? 11:38:05 <Pikka> terrifying D; 11:38:15 <peter1138> yes 11:39:36 <peter1138> hmm, i dunno the order of the sprites off hand :p 11:49:53 <CornishPasty> Combines are evil, kill them with your crowbar! 11:52:50 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 11:58:27 *** KouDy2 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 11:58:41 *** KouDy3 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 11:59:12 <__ln__> i see things in three 11:59:17 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:02:54 <MNIM> I am terrible. 12:03:12 <MNIM> It's 2030 and Im FINALLY phasing out that steam service to a tourist attraction. 12:05:20 <Pinkbeast> That is terrible - build 5ATs and keep it going 12:05:22 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:06:17 <MNIM> DB 01s actually 12:06:29 *** KouDy2 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:08:23 <MNIM> Don't worry though, Im keeping 'em running 12:09:15 <peter1138> breakdowns off? 12:10:40 <MNIM> No 12:55:58 *** Bobjr [Bobjr@93-163-28-114-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 12:56:02 <Bobjr> Hello"! 12:58:07 <Bobjr> I was hoping someone could answer a question of mine regarding valuables? 12:59:16 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 13:04:36 <peter1138> try asking it 13:04:59 <Bobjr> Sorry 13:05:24 <Bobjr> I send a train of valuables in the appropriate train car from one town to the other, both who say they accept valuables 13:05:35 <Bobjr> However there is no profit, and if I force it to unload it just switches valuables 13:05:49 <Bobjr> That is unloads valuables with no profit, then loads new ones without profit 13:05:51 <Bobjr> What gives? 13:06:24 <peter1138> don't use unload or transfer orders 13:06:24 *** Celestar_ [~vici@mnch-4d04ee3e.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:06:33 *** Celestar [~vici@mnch-4d04ee3e.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:06:51 <Flygon> MNIM: I've have always preffered a feature that allows you to have no breakdowns, but would increase the cost of maintainence instead ^^ 13:07:20 <Bobjr> even without the unload order it just trades valuables for no money 13:08:52 <Pikka> post on the forums with a savegame, bobjr 13:09:13 <Pikka> easier than us trying to crystalball it 13:09:21 <Bobjr> Good point 13:10:57 <Bobjr> Alright thanks, have a good day guys! 13:11:00 *** Bobjr [Bobjr@93-163-28-114-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [] 13:11:24 <Pikka> that got rid of him :D 13:13:34 <Flygon> I'd have suggested the use of Dropbox 13:38:04 <MNIM> hmmmh 13:39:55 <MNIM> does anyone know if 2CC E-locs have (reduced) running costs when being towed along a track without power? 13:48:03 <Pinkbeast> I could be wrong but I thought it was only UKRS2 that varied running costs with power output. 13:50:42 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 13:51:32 <MNIM> hmmmh, shame. 13:52:51 <MNIM> could've exploited that to turn my slow turbine mountain trains into high speed trains on electrified flat land lines 13:54:35 <Flygon> Can locomotives be towed above max speed? 13:55:30 <MNIM> no, but they're not reaching max speed. 13:56:37 <Markk> Pinkbeast: 2cc does that as well. 13:57:13 <MNIM> oh, cool 13:57:52 <peter1138> Flygon, locos are never towed 13:58:08 <peter1138> Flygon, i lied, they're towed if they're unpowered i suppose 13:58:13 <Flygon> Well, yeah 13:58:15 <peter1138> but still 13:58:25 <Flygon> Can loco's in OpenTTD be towed by a diff loco above max speed? 13:58:31 <Flygon> As per MNIM's suggestion 13:58:36 <Flygon> In my expereince? No. 13:58:39 <peter1138> no 13:58:50 <Flygon> It'd be a nice feature, though 13:58:53 <peter1138> because max speed comes from all parts of the train 13:59:11 <Flygon> As in, locos having seperate max self-powered speed, and max towed speed 14:00:19 <Flygon> Anyway, brb 14:00:20 <Flygon> Dishes 14:00:48 <MNIM> that would only be if the drivetrain has a different max speed from the rolling part and can be decoupled from it 14:01:37 <Pinkbeast> Steam locomotives are usually towed with coupling rods off so that's not totally unprecedented 14:09:06 <MNIM> Hmmmmh, I suppose, but would they have different towed/powered speeds? 14:28:24 <Flygon> Back 14:28:44 <Flygon> Pinkbeast: Yeah, Steam Locomotives were what were specifically in mind 14:29:07 <Flygon> I know that there's quite a few examples being towed faster than it could hope to achieve light engine 14:30:54 <Belugas> hello 14:31:48 <Flygon> Howdy 14:32:08 <Flygon> Can Electric tractioned locomotives be driven in 'neutral'? 14:34:42 <planetmaker> hello 14:34:59 <Pinkbeast> I believe so - diesels are sent to rescue stricken electrics and of course they have to be able to move them 14:35:53 <Sacro> Yes 14:35:57 <Sacro> of course they can 14:36:01 <Flygon> Oh, excellent 14:36:22 <Flygon> Then such a feature in OpenTTD isn't entirely unrealistic then, for neither steam, nor diesel, nor electric 14:36:38 <Flygon> Though, somehow removing driving rods @ 96km/h would be a worry :P 14:36:50 <Sacro> I'm not sure towing a steam loco is that simple 14:37:07 <Flygon> Eh, a Steam loco towing a Diesel is simple, though 14:37:20 <Sacro> true 14:37:35 <Pinkbeast> Sacro: well, taking the coupling rods off is a job for a fitter. It wouldn't be done routinely. 14:37:50 <Flygon> West Coast Railways had Steam Locomotives fitted with DMU controls so that the locomotive could be accelerated far faster, or so that it could be pushed in case of steam locomotive failure 14:38:15 <Flygon> And the Steam loco regularly went over 120km/h, which is over 20km/h faster than the T/P-class Diesels they often used 14:38:34 <Flygon> Though, it was in the OSpeed range of the S and B classes they sometimes used 14:41:13 <Flygon> Pre-WCR days, though, V/Line would just run the R-class steamers solo for crew training (no Diesel), keep in mind, this's the late 80s, early 90s 14:46:16 <Terkhen> hello 14:47:45 <Flygon> Yo 15:13:41 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has quit [Quit: Tvel] 15:25:34 *** peter1138 [~petern@00013681.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:27:13 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p57BD4A27.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 15:30:54 <MNIM> ouch 15:30:55 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4A27.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:31:00 <MNIM> there goes my death toll again 15:31:16 <MNIM> 916 die in a (slow) collision 15:31:55 <goodger> I do like TTD's magic fireballs 15:32:26 <TinoDidriksen> TTD: Hollywood Edition 15:32:45 <MNIM> hahaha 15:32:48 <MNIM> so it seems 15:35:12 <Flygon> MNIM: I once rear ended a woman below 5km/h. She charged me for her headlights. 15:37:38 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 15:37:50 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: you realize that fraud is a serious crime? 15:38:12 <Flygon> Eddi: It wasn't the only seemingly frivirlous thing that she charged 00 for 15:38:20 <Flygon> But it didn't occour to us at the time that we could sue her 15:38:40 <Flygon> Only damage I saw was some dints on her rear bumper 15:38:54 <Flygon> If anything, my car got the worst damage. Some paint scraped off it. 15:39:20 <Flygon> If she was driving a Magna, like I was, she'd have been smart enough to just not give a $*(@ and drive off @_@ 15:39:40 <Flygon> Magna's: Australia's disposable car 15:42:22 *** Pensacola [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:56:32 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:36:59 *** Eddi|zuHause2 [~johekr@p57BD4A27.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:36:59 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4A27.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:37:58 *** Eddi|zuHause2 is now known as Eddi|zuHause 16:43:46 *** peter1138 [~petern@00013681.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:43:49 *** mode/#openttd [+o peter1138] by ChanServ 16:53:27 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:02:00 <NGC3982> In ~/.openttd, i have several configs i have named openttd_config1/2/3, and so on. 17:02:26 <NGC3982> If i start a game with openttd -D -c <path+filename> it (as it should starts the game with the cfg file. 17:02:57 <NGC3982> If i then shut the game down, and start it again with a new <path+filename>, it writes the data from the old config file onto the new one. 17:03:04 <peter1138> that sentence is broken 17:03:16 <NGC3982> Oh, yes. 17:03:40 <NGC3982> Bah, i shouldn't do this right now. I'm so tired and i have the most massive of headaches 17:03:44 <NGC3982> Never mind. 17:04:13 <peter1138> but it won't be overwriting configs like that 17:05:00 <NGC3982> It does something. 17:05:19 <NGC3982> Ill retry it step by step 17:05:25 <NGC3982> After i have calmed down a bit. 17:06:45 <peter1138> if you start a game with -c blah it'll only ever overwrite that file 17:07:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.189.11] has joined #openttd 17:13:45 <NGC3982> Let's see then. 17:18:46 <NGC3982> I copy the new file to ~/.openttd. I view it with nano, at it seems correct. I start the game with openttd -D -c <path+file>, i enter the game on my windows computer. i notice that no grfs are loaded, but the dedicated server window does not give any indication of error. 17:19:19 <NGC3982> I then close the server and open the very same config file with nano, at it has been over-written with the original openttd.cfg content. 17:19:36 <NGC3982> If that is what's going to happend, i have for missjudged the man or something. 17:20:08 *** ni291187 [~u931732@S0106b8a3864ae669.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 17:20:17 <NGC3982> My next experiment will be to remove all cfg files, add only one, and try again. 17:20:28 <ni291187> what is this 17:20:33 <ni291187> wheree am i 17:20:46 <Pinkbeast> NGC: add all config files to version control now 17:20:53 <ni291187> are you guys open ttd junkies 17:21:03 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:21:44 <NGC3982> Pinkbeast: That subversion thingy? 17:21:53 <Pinkbeast> Whatever your preferred VCS is. 17:22:25 <NGC3982> Well, i have no idea, and i have never heard of it before. I found it on the site just now. Ill read trough it. 17:22:37 <Pinkbeast> Oh, god, you're a Windows user? 17:22:51 <Pinkbeast> Er well write a batch file that copies all your config files somewhere or something. 17:23:05 <NGC3982> Normally, yes. I have just started using Debian as my server system. 17:23:15 <NGC3982> Err 17:23:18 <Pinkbeast> Didn't take my advice, huh? 17:23:29 <NGC3982> Well, heh. 17:23:57 <NGC3982> Actually, most people i talked to prefered Debian over Ubuntu. Though, i guess you are correct in that Ubuntu might be a better choise for beginners like me. 17:24:17 <MNIM> Try Mint instead 17:24:24 <Pinkbeast> I prefer Debian for me, but then I have been a Unix sysadmin for a wee while. 17:24:24 <MNIM> it's like Ubuntu, except not sucky. 17:24:29 <NGC3982> I will not change operating system just like that. 17:24:32 <NGC3982> That's asking for trouble. 17:24:58 <MNIM> Muh. Ubuntu to mint shouldn't be too hard. 17:25:42 <MNIM> I've done it once. 17:25:49 <NGC3982> That is not important when i have just learned using the basics of this operating system :) 17:26:00 <NGC3982> But yes, i will consider it if this doesn't work out. 17:27:15 <peter1138> Hi 17:28:17 <peter1138> NGC3982, stick with it. it honestly won't be any better with a different distribution 17:28:35 <NGC3982> Yes, i guess so. 17:28:41 <peter1138> they all have their quirks, people recommend whichever because they're used to the quirks and they don't realise they're quirky 17:29:02 <NGC3982> Let's see. I have removed all of the config files and added an original openttd.cfg (with a NewGRF list). 17:29:36 <NGC3982> peter1138: That sounds logical. 17:30:03 <peter1138> and the stuff you're dealing with now isn't anything distro specific anyway 17:30:11 <NGC3982> Hm, allright. It started the server (with no error message) with no NewGRF's. Time to investigate the config file. 17:30:16 <NGC3982> Indeed. 17:30:33 <NGC3982> ..And it replaced it 17:30:39 <NGC3982> With a non-existant file. 17:31:07 <peter1138> no 17:31:27 <peter1138> openttd removes the lines from the config cos they didn't exist 17:31:28 <NGC3982> Where "non-existant" is the file i removed just before starting the server. 17:31:30 <peter1138> it's kinda annoying 17:31:36 <NGC3982> Uhm, ok 17:31:46 <peter1138> basically they're not loaded 17:31:52 <NGC3982> But no, it did -add- the stuff from the old config file 17:31:54 <peter1138> when you exit it saves the config as it is 17:32:07 <peter1138> but because they're weren't loaded, they're not in memory, therefore they're not saved 17:32:11 <Pinkbeast> NGC: of course this stuff about quirks is not why I recommended to you what I did. 17:32:23 <NGC3982> Pinkbeast: I understand that. :) 17:32:44 <NGC3982> I need to pastebin this process. 17:32:46 <peter1138> vcs *is* a good idea for configs 17:32:58 <peter1138> that's why openttd should use .config 17:33:03 <peter1138> so we can just have .config in vcs 17:33:05 <Pinkbeast> And for any file that some helpful program might blow away under your feet 17:33:05 <peter1138> and /etc of course 17:33:19 <peter1138> Pinkbeast, do you vcs your whole system? :D 17:33:29 <NGC3982> Well, shouldnt i first make sure that the error isnt user-made? 17:33:38 * NGC3982 puts the entire story in a pastebin 17:34:26 <Pinkbeast> Not yet. 17:34:43 <Pinkbeast> Also here I'm on a snapshotting filesystem which makes one _ever_ so lazy 17:40:32 <peter1138> heh 17:44:19 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 17:45:28 <NGC3982> http://pastebin.com/w3zT8u2A 17:45:31 <NGC3982> Here is the full scenario. 17:49:29 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:49:32 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 17:51:11 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f44f1.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:52:41 <NGC3982> Bah, i have no idea on what's going on anymore. 17:53:44 <Pinkbeast> I'm afraid I am not qualified to help you with this. 17:54:06 <NGC3982> But VCS is ..something that can? 17:54:17 <NGC3982> It looks like a bug report system 17:54:27 <NGC3982> I'm actually not sure if it's a bug, or if i'm just wrong. 17:54:39 <Alberth> vcs keeps track of all versions of files you ever gave it to it 17:54:56 <NGC3982> Ah, i see. 17:55:42 <Alberth> and you can give a message with each change, which is usually a line "I changed this and this because ..." 17:56:01 * NGC3982 tries. 17:56:16 <Alberth> and later you can look back at how you changed exactly what when,and why 17:58:11 <Alberth> so it takes away the boring administration of which versions you exactly have 17:59:01 <Alberth> and of course you can go back to a previous version, make a copy, revert back to it, etc etc 17:59:05 *** ni291187 [~u931732@S0106b8a3864ae669.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:19 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:00:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:00:58 <NGC3982> I see. 18:01:30 <NGC3982> I do not understand this. Removing Openttd with apt-get remove (openttd and openttd-data) doesn't remove anything. 18:03:37 <Alberth> are the files owned by the package manager? 18:04:06 <Alberth> (I don't run debian, so I don't know details here) 18:04:37 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:04:47 <NGC3982> they are owned by a user, and i removed them with sudo. 18:10:39 <NGC3982> I removed the entire .openttd folder and re-installed it 18:10:43 <NGC3982> Of course, that did not work 18:10:49 <NGC3982> I'm seriosly only making it worse 18:16:42 <Alberth> perhaps you should explain what you're aiming for :) 18:17:25 <NGC3982> I fixed it. 18:17:28 <NGC3982> At least this error. 18:18:17 <NGC3982> I couldn't remove it, so i rm-rf:d it, installed the wrong version with apt-get, removed the wrong version with apt-get (to get the correct lib's so i could:), installed the new version with dpkg. 18:18:31 <NGC3982> So now, i'm at square one, a default OpenTTD install that works. 18:18:41 <peter1138> o_O 18:19:13 <peter1138> packages are never owned or installed as a user 18:19:31 <peter1138> running openttd as a user will never mess with the installaion 18:19:43 <peter1138> there is no need to uninstall and reinstall to "fix things" 18:20:28 <peter1138> so what's the difference between openttd_advertise1.cfg and openttd_UKRS.cfg ? 18:21:40 <Sacro> peter1138: man diff 18:21:50 <NGC3982> peter1138: I wanted to reinstall the game, so i could make sure the problem was not on my side. 18:22:05 <NGC3982> The UKRS config contains two NewGRF files, and Advertise1 contains a 20-ish. 18:22:06 <Sacro> rm -r ~/.openttd 18:22:18 <NGC3982> Both files are tested in a Windows system, and seems to work there. 18:23:57 <NGC3982> The NewGRF's are the only thing that separate the contents of both files. 18:24:37 <peter1138> "openttd_UKRS.cfg" does now look exactly like "openttd_advertise1.cfg". It has during the server start/stop been overwritten with the old file. 18:24:42 <peter1138> that cannot happen 18:25:11 <peter1138> there game will not have magically loaded a different config file 18:25:19 <peter1138> and then saved it over the one specified 18:25:28 <NGC3982> Well, it does. I have re-tried this five times, and i will now do it again. 18:26:00 <NGC3982> I'm sure -i- am the problem. It's not like i'm saying OpenTTD is magic. 18:26:15 <NGC3982> But i can't get past it, even when i closely follow my own actions. 18:29:50 <NGC3982> I now tried with two files: openttd.cfg (default) and openttd2.cfg. The only difference was the starting_year. That worked. 18:45:17 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r24953 trunk/src/lang/unfinished/tamil.txt (2013-02-01 18:45:10 UTC) 18:45:18 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:19 <DorpsGek> tamil - 94 changes by aswn 18:45:50 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 18:46:07 <NGC3982> peter1138: Reinstalling OpenTTD makes me unable to re-make the file-writer-issue. 18:46:15 <NGC3982> It does seem to work as it should. 18:46:25 <peter1138> no, it just means you did something wrong before 18:46:37 <peter1138> reinstalling openttd installs it exactly as it was installed before 18:46:38 <NGC3982> Yes, i guess so. 18:46:46 <peter1138> users cannot modify those files 18:50:35 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:51:03 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 18:51:47 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:52:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 18:55:49 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-135-147.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 19:00:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:03:07 <NGC3982> Where can i check the status for the Master Server? 19:03:20 <NGC3982> I guess there is none, since i never heard of any problems with it :) 19:04:45 <Alberth> moin andy 19:05:48 <andythenorth> bonsoir 19:08:27 <Supercheese> Andy, any reason the Iron Works was excluded from Temperate Basic? Iron Ore and Wood are both defined in basic... 19:16:24 <andythenorth> Supercheese: because it's Basic? 19:16:50 <Supercheese> Well, true enough 19:17:15 <Supercheese> I liked the Iron Works --> Steel Mill transition as the years progressed 19:17:36 <andythenorth> there might be a case for it, as there is no metal chain before a certain date 19:17:45 <andythenorth> but then again, the Iron Works is nearly pointless imho 19:18:03 <Supercheese> It has pretty graphics :P 19:18:10 <andythenorth> that's why it's included 19:18:23 <andythenorth> I like the iron pigs flowing and cooling 19:18:28 <Supercheese> aye :) 19:18:29 <andythenorth> and I like Dan's building 19:18:37 <andythenorth> hmm 19:18:46 <andythenorth> the v2.0 thread is a gift that keeps on giving 19:18:48 <andythenorth> "as well as features from TTDP (might as well bring everyone to work on one game)" 19:18:55 <andythenorth> so we'd gain....0 developers? 19:18:56 <Supercheese> Everyone *is* working on one game 19:19:03 <Supercheese> Nobody's TTDPing 19:19:25 <andythenorth> because th CF is broken 19:19:33 <andythenorth> my typing is broken 19:19:42 <andythenorth> I have like 20% accuraacy 19:20:26 <Supercheese> Sometimes it feels like the English language itself has less than 20% accuracy, when following its own "rules" anyway 19:20:57 <Supercheese> i before e, except 50% of the time when it isn't 19:23:10 <andythenorth> MP GS? 19:23:14 <andythenorth> frosch123? ^ 19:23:18 <andythenorth> NoCarGoal? 19:24:30 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host204-174-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 19:25:14 <frosch123> andythenorth: if you prepare the game :p 19:25:23 <andythenorth> ugh 19:25:25 <Wolf01> hello 19:25:26 <andythenorth> then it's my fault :P 19:25:46 <andythenorth> have we got a nightly serverer? 19:25:53 <andythenorth> peter1138 ^ ? 19:26:15 <frosch123> r24876 is running 19:26:22 <frosch123> no idea what's the state of the game there 19:26:24 <andythenorth> k I'll make it with that 19:26:51 <frosch123> wow, that revision is one month old 19:26:56 <andythenorth> Alberth planetmaker Hirundo Terkhen et al playing? 19:27:04 <frosch123> maybe we can recruit planetmaker :) 19:27:33 <peter1138> hmm 19:27:36 <peter1138> sorry busy coding 19:27:47 <Terkhen> sorry, we are going to have a small celebration soon :P 19:28:13 <andythenorth> if I use UKRS2 will I be moaned at? 19:28:30 <andythenorth> ach, my game, my rules :P 19:28:43 * Terkhen suggests that everyone complains about the NewGRF selection no matter what it is 19:29:22 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:31:14 <Alberth> andythenorth: +1 19:31:23 <andythenorth> how many playing? Affects the goal :P 19:31:29 <andythenorth> frosch123: got a record of previous goals? 19:31:34 <frosch123> andythenorth: "+1" wrt the complaining? :p 19:31:46 <andythenorth> yeah, figures 19:31:52 <frosch123> https://secure.openttd.org/wiki/NoCarGoal 19:31:55 <andythenorth> 7 years, NoCarGoal 19:32:02 <andythenorth> no Zuu? 19:32:03 <andythenorth> meh 19:32:28 <Alberth> +1 for playing actually, but you're free to interpret it orherwise ;) 19:32:33 <NGC3982> I guess the solution to "i want to host more servers on one computer" is simply using a new port per server? 19:32:50 <frosch123> yes 19:32:58 * NGC3982 tries. 19:33:00 <frosch123> but why do you want to host multiple servers? 19:33:11 <frosch123> it's not like there are too few 19:33:22 <frosch123> and everyone runs one for himself anyway 19:33:34 <frosch123> or do you want to play on multiple servers in parallel yourself? :) 19:33:49 <Alberth> he's cold, and needs some work for all those idle CPUs :) 19:34:08 <NGC3982> frosch123: Both! 19:35:08 <NGC3982> It's not that i have something else to do. 19:43:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B9CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:46:30 <NGC3982> Aaaand it worked. 19:47:08 <NGC3982> peter1138: I will have to excuse myself. Linux has always been a nail in the eye for me, and i always have a hard time orienting myself within it. 19:47:16 <NGC3982> Your patience has been greatly appreciated. 19:51:31 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-009-229.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 19:54:19 <oskari89> Why town-owned road cannot be one-wayed? 19:55:03 <oskari89> And when i click tramway on road-bridge, why the tramway applies from other bridge head only? 19:57:13 <NGC3982> oskari89: On your first question: The town owns the road, and does not want you to change it. 19:58:26 <andythenorth> need more players for this MP game :P 19:58:44 <andythenorth> I set quite a high goal 19:58:59 <NGC3982> What are the stakes? 19:59:33 <Markk> Your soul. 19:59:45 <NGC3982> I'm in. 20:00:01 <Supercheese> Medium rare 20:00:06 <Supercheese> Oh wait, stakes 20:00:09 <Supercheese> :P 20:00:18 <NGC3982> 'Merica. 20:04:04 <NGC3982> Doesn't the parameter numbers for a NewGRF change the "button" parameters? 20:04:51 <NGC3982> Since, this configuration (http://i.imgur.com/lDX9HIv.png) shows all the "Provide X" options as red in the actual server game. 20:07:31 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:08:18 <planetmaker> hm :-) 20:11:02 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 20:11:57 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/ah0StWj.png 20:12:10 <NGC3982> Here it what it looks like in the actual game. 20:13:35 <Supercheese> That is kinda strange 20:14:18 <NGC3982> http://pastebin.com/H36XXJAF 20:14:28 <NGC3982> And this is how it looks in the NewGRF part of the cfg in use. 20:14:52 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has joined #openttd 20:16:01 <Supercheese> Lemme see if I can replicate that behavior 20:17:00 <NGC3982> Want me to upload the config? 20:17:03 <NGC3982> The server is at ttd.dndr.se:4000. 20:17:13 <Supercheese> Is it only with that .grf? 20:18:15 <NGC3982> As for now, yes. I have not tried any other NewGRF. 20:18:38 <Supercheese> I'm not seeing it here... 20:18:39 <NGC3982> The parameter works for the other server (at ttd.dndr.se:3979) with UKRS2. 20:18:40 <Supercheese> odd 20:18:59 <NGC3982> And you are using 0.3.0? 20:20:38 <Supercheese> I see your problem 20:20:52 <Supercheese> 0 14 0 0 â 0 1 4 0 0 20:20:57 <NGC3982> Oh! 20:21:00 <Supercheese> Note the space, fourteen vs 4 1 20:21:21 <NGC3982> Indeed. It worked out nicely. 20:21:23 <NGC3982> Thank you. 20:21:25 <Supercheese> amazing what one bit of whitespace will do :) 20:21:34 <NGC3982> Hehe 20:21:45 <NGC3982> I can barely see that on this little monitor 20:24:10 <Supercheese> Derp, fourteen vs. 1 4 20:24:18 <Supercheese> Well, you understood me anyway :D 20:24:31 <NGC3982> Yes, i did. :) 20:24:39 <Supercheese> Crazy typo O_o 20:25:13 <NGC3982> I did not even see the typo 20:25:26 <NGC3982> Wich might also explain why i did not see the 14. 20:25:29 <NGC3982> 1 4*. 20:25:29 <NGC3982> .. 20:25:41 <Supercheese> heehee 20:34:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.187.171] has joined #openttd 20:41:12 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@89.246.189.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:43:17 *** Zeknurn` [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:43:40 *** luke_ [~luke@ool-457405c6.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #openttd 20:44:00 *** Zeknurn [~Zeknurn@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 20:44:07 <luke_> hey ya'll 20:44:52 <luke_> bye everyone 20:44:55 *** luke_ [~luke@ool-457405c6.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 20:45:15 *** Dr_Tan [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 20:46:17 *** snorre [~snorre@c4A06BF51.dhcp.as2116.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:49:42 *** kais58 is now known as kais58|AFK 20:51:59 *** Markavian [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:52:23 *** Nat_aS [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:54:11 <Terkhen> good night 20:57:54 *** Markavian` [~Markavian@78-105-168-146.zone3.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:16:10 *** chester_ [~chester@95-28-111-156.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:16:49 <planetmaker> boah, Pikka you really don't want anyone to even find signals on tracks with your finescale tracks, right? 21:19:31 <peter1138> that's what 2x view is for :p 21:20:04 <peter1138> i find huge signals ugly as 21:20:18 <planetmaker> I don't even recognize or see them at 4x° 21:20:34 <planetmaker> it's a dot in the same shade as the tracks... 21:20:45 <planetmaker> just faintly different colour 21:20:52 <planetmaker> with an invisible post... 21:21:25 <planetmaker> I see the signals somewhat when the backside is visible. But frontisde... no chance 21:30:48 *** St3f [~Anonymous@53577204.cm-6-8b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:56:31 *** ComLock [~chrisw@cC165BF51.dhcp.as2116.net] has joined #openttd 21:56:37 <ComLock> Hi 21:56:52 <ComLock> Any developers here, I need some help with those widgets 22:01:34 <ComLock> I need talk on the dev channel 22:01:59 <ComLock> How can I trigger UpdateWidgetSize 22:02:12 <ComLock> from DrawWidget 22:02:18 <ComLock> or is that bad idea 22:04:48 <planetmaker> InvalidateWindowData 22:05:07 <planetmaker> But... DrawWidget doesn't resize anything. It shouldn't 22:05:58 <ComLock> hmm 22:06:43 <michi_cc> planetmaker: Some windows do (well, from OnPaint mostly). It's not the best idea, so avoid it if you can. 22:07:00 <michi_cc> If you really must, use ReInit() (check IndustryViewWindow::OnPaint). 22:07:04 <planetmaker> michi_cc, I'm aware, yes. But... as you say :-) 22:07:32 <planetmaker> it's there rather for hysterical raisons. Rather than sense 22:07:47 *** St3f [~Anonymous@53577204.cm-6-8b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 22:08:13 <michi_cc> In that case it is because it displays arbitrary NewGRF strings that can change each paint. 22:08:16 <ComLock> lets say one has 2 WWT_PANEL in NWID_VERTICAL 22:08:27 <ComLock> the top one is vertically resizeable 22:08:33 <ComLock> the bottom is not 22:08:57 <ComLock> However I calculate the bottom height based on width 22:09:54 <michi_cc> Do that calculation in OnResize if you can. 22:09:56 <ComLock> So some times I want to manually change the height of the bottom widget, giving/taking height from the upper one 22:10:35 <planetmaker> why you want to do that? 22:10:44 <michi_cc> Or via InvalidateWindowData if the size change is triggered by specific events. 22:11:22 <ComLock> but OnResize does not have any arguments (hmm,maybe I don't need them) 22:11:51 <ComLock> I need the width of the widget 22:12:17 <ComLock> I could store it in the window, but I guess it's avail somehow? 22:14:33 <Alberth> you may want to look at the smallmap legends panel 22:15:06 <planetmaker> :-) Listen to Alberth. He wrote the widget system 22:15:19 <frosch123> someone else recently played ottd? :p 22:15:32 <Alberth> planetmaker: like I know anything about it :p 22:15:37 <frosch123> how did you experience the new open-vehicle-gui-on-clone experience? 22:15:49 <frosch123> i am very much pondering just reverting it :p 22:16:20 <Alberth> FS#4458 has a PM about that I don't understand 22:16:28 <frosch123> it's too hard to clone vehicle multiple times, and i don't think a proper solution for it 22:16:32 <ComLock> Alberth, yes I'm doing the smallmap legend on the industry window: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5455/getfile/8884/filter_industry_list2.png 22:16:59 <frosch123> Alberth: it's about opening the vehicle gui when cloning via the depot button 22:17:24 <frosch123> but not when there is already one clone waiting in the depot 22:17:38 <frosch123> i guess it might be just for using the clone button ni the newly built vehicle gui 22:17:45 <ComLock> Should we not talk in #openttd.dev ??? 22:18:01 <frosch123> ComLock: only when it is busy here 22:18:03 <andythenorth> frosch123: build one, open window, clone 22:18:05 <andythenorth> simples 22:18:09 <andythenorth> I got it straight away tbh 22:18:35 <andythenorth> avoids a billion useless windows 22:18:35 <frosch123> andythenorth: did you use the clone button from depot at some point? 22:18:40 <andythenorth> probably 22:18:46 <andythenorth> clone first, open window, clone more 22:18:48 <frosch123> maybe it should open the window when using the depot button 22:18:53 <andythenorth> maybe 22:18:54 <frosch123> but not when using it from the vehicle gui 22:19:03 *** roadt [~roadt@60.168.94.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:19:03 <andythenorth> definitely not from vehicle gui 22:19:07 <frosch123> (when there is already vehicle in the dpot, and you are cloning multiple) 22:19:18 <andythenorth> bear in mind I am ctrl-cloning nearly always 22:19:20 <andythenorth> for shared orders 22:19:27 <andythenorth> so opening windows for me is just boring 22:19:50 <frosch123> i almost never ctrl+cloned today :p 22:20:03 <Alberth> multiple clones in the depot is complicated, as the 'clone' is not sticking 22:20:05 <frosch123> build one ship, clone it and only replace the loading station order 22:20:10 <frosch123> while keeping the drop-off order 22:20:21 <Alberth> I do that too :) 22:21:06 <ComLock> michi_cc, I think IndustryViewWindow::OnPaint will help me 22:21:09 <Alberth> ComLock: how is sort of making a copy of the smallmap legend not working then? 22:21:41 <Alberth> ComLock: OnPaint sounds too late for sizing imho 22:21:51 <ComLock> Cause the smallmap legend has buttons which sets minimum height 22:22:33 <ComLock> Yes but if i can detect that width has changed, then I can trigger reinit 22:22:34 <Alberth> no, the heights of the industries legends are used too 22:22:53 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 22:22:55 <Alberth> try loading FIRS with FIRS economy 22:22:56 <ComLock> Only for the fixed rows 22:23:09 <ComLock> I have firs loaded 22:23:11 <andythenorth> frosch123: I didn't look, did you run same kind of boats everywhere, or matched to Fish production? 22:23:54 <frosch123> i build a rather medium sized boat of like 80 tons 22:23:58 *** St3f [~Anonymous@53577204.cm-6-8b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:24:02 <frosch123> and then varied the amount 22:24:09 <frosch123> the rockall one 22:24:10 <Alberth> ComLock: I wondered a few times whether the various industries should not have a different colour of text 22:24:23 <andythenorth> figures 22:24:30 <andythenorth> Alberth: that might be horrible :) 22:24:34 <andythenorth> contrast wise etc 22:24:46 <frosch123> yeah, text colours are bad :p 22:24:47 <michi_cc> ComLock: The industry legend data should only change if the industries change (i.e. on NewGRF reload), which can be handled with (On)InvalidateData. The legend itself can also change if the width of the window changes (because the user resized the window) and this case can be handled with OnResize. 22:24:52 <Alberth> perhaps, but all text the same is not very useful too 22:25:03 <ComLock> Alberth, smallmap seems to work 22:25:08 <frosch123> you can make the legend colour bigger 22:25:12 <ComLock> So I must have borked it along the way :) 22:25:13 <frosch123> and draw the text on top of it 22:25:26 <frosch123> we even have a pick white/black textcolour best matching contrast function 22:25:32 <ComLock> haven't programmed c or c++ in like 10 years, so I'm heavily frustrated 22:25:34 <frosch123> which we use in the staiton list for the cargo labels 22:25:59 <ComLock> Moose in perl is just a dream to work with in comparison 22:26:03 <Alberth> ComLock: try java for a week, and you'll find c++ heaven :p 22:26:05 <frosch123> but anyway, i don't think colours improve the smallmap 22:26:16 <frosch123> the blink on mouse over is more useful 22:26:22 <frosch123> and icons instead of colours might be cool 22:26:35 <Alberth> frosch123: I was talking about the text in the industry list 22:26:42 <frosch123> and well, what eddi suggested: supply/demand instead of industry type 22:26:57 <Alberth> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5455/getfile/8884/filter_industry_list2.png <-- all entries look the same 22:26:59 <frosch123> Alberth: oh, did you see the filter patch then? 22:27:17 <Alberth> no, ComLock just posted that link 22:27:42 <frosch123> https://secure.openttd.org/bugs/task/5455/getfile/8877/filter_industry_list.png <- i liked that one more actually :p 22:28:17 <frosch123> i don't see any use in using colours in a list :o 22:28:50 <Alberth> so you can see what block of farms you have, and where the block of iron thingies starts 22:29:01 <frosch123> i also wonder about the "show only non-transported" 22:29:15 <frosch123> to me it feels that should rather be integrated into the "sorting critera" 22:29:44 <frosch123> like "production amount", "transported amount", "untransported amount", "transported percentage" 22:30:11 <frosch123> Alberth: yeah, ok, then a icon in front would be fine 22:30:17 <frosch123> but i don't think it needs a legend 22:30:20 <NGC3982> Don't watch the movie "Flight" while having a whiskey. 22:30:23 <frosch123> every line already says what it is 22:30:51 <Alberth> 2nd or 3rd seems unneeded, but yeah, seems useful to merge "show only non-transported" into the sort criteria 22:31:08 <frosch123> oh, and while we are talking about improving the list... the numbers should be aligned into columns 22:31:18 <frosch123> and without those silly parentheses 22:31:19 <Alberth> +0.9 :) 22:32:31 <Alberth> good night 22:32:42 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 22:33:28 *** mrdaft [~mrdaft@75.114.201.249] has joined #openttd 22:33:53 <frosch123> maybe the "type" thingie should be removed from the sorting criteria 22:34:08 <frosch123> instead there could be a toggle button whether to group same types or mix them 22:34:27 <frosch123> while keeping the selected amount or name criterion 22:36:51 <ComLock> sort and filter are two very different things... 22:38:10 <ComLock> I would also like ability to filter away industries without production 22:38:29 <ComLock> filter is much more effective than sort 22:38:35 <frosch123> ah, yeah, i see; i guess for secondary industries that makes sense 22:39:47 <ComLock> I find that I have not copied enough from smallmap 22:40:04 <ComLock> like SetupSmallestSize and AssignSizePosition 22:40:25 <ComLock> Clock is 23:40 here so bed time 22:40:33 <ComLock> l8r 22:40:41 *** ComLock [~chrisw@cC165BF51.dhcp.as2116.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:42:39 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 22:43:27 *** Guilux [~Guilux@chenapan.net] has quit [Quit: [RESET]] 22:44:18 *** goodger [~ben@host86-129-12-34.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: goodger] 22:44:39 <andythenorth> bye 22:44:39 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:44:52 *** Guilux [~Guilux@chenapan.net] has joined #openttd 22:48:11 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:49:37 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:57:39 <planetmaker> good night 22:59:03 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:07:41 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 23:14:12 *** KouDy3 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:18:33 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:19:15 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 23:20:16 *** EyeMWing [~Wing@c-68-33-226-154.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:22:18 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:27:56 *** mrdaft_ [~mrdaft@75.114.201.249] has joined #openttd 23:28:15 *** mrdaft [~mrdaft@75.114.201.249] has quit [] 23:28:15 *** mrdaft_ is now known as mrdaft 23:29:47 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 23:33:55 *** mrdaft [~mrdaft@75.114.201.249] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:02 *** mrdaft [~mrdaft@75.114.201.249] has joined #openttd 23:40:53 *** DDR_ [~chatzilla@d154-20-132-181.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 23:41:39 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 23:42:16 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:44:33 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d154-20-135-147.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:44:34 *** DDR_ is now known as DDR 23:56:45 *** mrdaft [~mrdaft@75.114.201.249] has quit [Quit: -] 23:58:24 *** Celestar_ [~vici@mnch-4d04c187.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd