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Log for #openttd on 4th March 2013:
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03:12:34  <wolfmitchell> It seems that using X forwarding over ssh to run openttd a) lags alot and b) has a cursor in it that dies not respond
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03:46:49  <ccfreak2k> If I wait long enough at the title screen, will one of the buses get hit by a train?
03:48:50  <ccfreak2k> Oh, the gates trigger way ahead so I guess not.
03:51:40  <Eddi|zuHause> wolfmitchell: ssh -X is very inefficient, tried NX (or whatsitcalled successor thereof)
03:52:06  <wolfmitchell> cba to install a nxserver, nxnode, and nxclient
03:52:46  <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, running a game in ssh is probably a bad idea anyway :p
03:54:21  <wolfmitchell> I ran minecraft over ssh
03:54:22  <wolfmitchell> :P
03:54:27  <wolfmitchell> (not a minecraft server)
03:55:55  <Eddi|zuHause> it may work totally different with 3D overlay thingies
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08:41:26  <dihedral> hello
08:45:08  <peter1138> is it me you're looking for
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09:05:26  <Supercheese> good night
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10:26:03  <dihedral> <peter1138> is it me you're looking for <- always sweety!
10:28:12  <peter1138> ;D
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13:24:07  <andythenorth> bonjour and apples
13:24:13  <andythenorth> hmm no pikka
13:24:22  <andythenorth> can I have an industry called "Orchard and Piggery" ?
13:24:43  <andythenorth> Or do I have to call it 'Fruit and Animal Farm" :P
13:25:57  <Pinkbeast> "Pears before Swine"
13:27:12  <Pinkbeast> It could have a loud ambient oinking noise which would give it away.
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13:33:49  <goodger> also a man with a thick westcountry accent going "agh, get those pigs out of the fockin orchard"
13:35:19  <andythenorth> he's irish?
13:36:16  <andythenorth> also, if the pigs aren't in the orchard, what do they eat? :)
13:36:37  <goodger> pig food!
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13:36:54  <andythenorth> http://www.somersetmade.co.uk/oldscrump/ciderfarms/orchardpig.php
13:37:38  <goodger> that's a tourist attraction ;)
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13:38:19  <goodger> though iirc an apple does make a fine treat for your average pig
13:38:22  <andythenorth> this place is awesome http://wilkinscider.com
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13:38:44  <goodger> ooh, camra winner
13:39:08  <andythenorth> it comes with bits in it
13:39:21  <goodger> that is a prerequisite
13:39:45  <goodger> camra does not issue awards to any drink made using technology developed since 1740
13:44:43  <peter1138> mm camra
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13:53:33  * Sacro stalks goodger
13:53:52  <goodger> o.o
13:54:04  <Sacro> git orrf my channels
13:54:13  <goodger> no u
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14:35:56  <__ln__> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-21654930
14:43:42  <planetmaker> lol
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14:46:38  <avdg> nananana nananana
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14:58:54  <peter1138> wut
15:00:15  <andythenorth> wut wut
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15:19:46  <V453000> lol what, andythenorth  http://www.gizmag.com/next-gen-ships-sails-lower-fuel-use/22289/
15:20:18  <andythenorth> heave ho
15:20:45  <Celestar> yo
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15:35:20  <planetmaker> sure, why not, V453000 :-)
15:36:31  <V453000> planetmaker: it isnt in FISH so it cant happen
15:36:33  <V453000> period :P
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15:38:26  <planetmaker> oh. You surely have a point there which I missed. Let's lobby for it to happen :D
15:39:00  <planetmaker> NewGRF people usually don't dare to create a vision of the future sadly :-(
15:39:58  <goodger> that may be because visions of the future look very silly when the future arrives
15:41:04  <goodger> at the end of the 19th century, someone thought we'd all be driving around in vacuum-powered cars through underground motorways
15:42:22  <planetmaker> Of course. But the heck - who cares? By when the future arrives you can have your NewGRF updated by long as well ;-)
15:45:27  <V453000> ha
15:45:42  <V453000> I also think people are missing the vision of wtf
15:46:15  <andythenorth> +1
15:46:22  <andythenorth> also not enough castles
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16:13:45  <andythenorth> hmm
16:13:59  <andythenorth> "meat packer" -> "sausage factory"
16:14:27  <V453000> more like "whatever masher" -> sausage factory? :P
16:14:49  <goodger> horse castrator
16:14:58  <goodger> more testicles mean more iron
16:15:06  <V453000> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20419525/mayhem.png andythenorth score so far? :D
16:15:20  <andythenorth> 260
16:15:30  <V453000> not bad
16:15:39  <andythenorth> you need to give them swimming arms
16:15:45  <V453000> :DD omfg
16:16:09  <andythenorth> like this train http://cdn.static.ovimg.com/episode/602251.jpg
16:16:09  <andythenorth> but a ship
16:16:50  <andythenorth> http://s4.hubimg.com/u/4060239_f496.jpg
16:16:59  <andythenorth> or make them animals
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16:17:16  <goodger> that is surprisingly creepy
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16:18:19  <andythenorth> V453000: http://elainemeinelsupkis.typepad.com/free_trade/images/2007/11/11/whale_and_ship_by_brian_robb.jpg
16:19:00  <andythenorth> V453000: http://onlyhdwallpapers.com/wallpaper/whaleship_desktop_1500x1272_wallpaper-271286.jpg
16:19:39  <goodger> nothing like enslaving a large mammal
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16:19:59  <andythenorth> http://www.questions.gr.jp/ogre/e_space/Images/Whaleship.jpg
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16:21:38  <supermop> hi
16:24:01  <V453000> ok
16:24:06  <V453000> dont call me insane ever again
16:25:12  <supermop> i will try my best to avoid it V453000
16:25:25  <V453000> I was poiting at andy
16:25:27  <V453000> :P
16:25:42  <goodger> there is something profoundly warped about the type of mind that goes into children's television
16:25:59  <V453000> these people have to be seriously "warped"
16:26:09  <andythenorth> orly? o_O
16:26:19  <andythenorth> I don't make children's TV
16:26:22  <andythenorth> I do have children
16:26:33  <andythenorth> I did make this http://www.dudecorp.com/feedback
16:26:40  <andythenorth> not alone :P
16:26:43  <andythenorth> also
16:26:46  <andythenorth> gtg, bbl
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17:00:20  <Ristovski> I hate the weirdly twisted roads
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18:20:41  <andythenorth> "meat packer"  / "pasty factory" /s ?
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18:23:23  <DorpsGek> ----- BEGIN PGP SIGNED CHAT -----
18:26:49  <SpComb> S4ETQgxbQg4LDQYz7+C6OevJtxeXvUtYo9xUxsAf6wcaZIFw1JRlACzD2am0CNSaw1tipfMEmUAf
18:26:50  <SpComb> vQ8EOknXug==
18:29:20  <V453000> asdf
18:30:45  * NGC3982 puts weirdly twisted stuff in V453000
18:30:59  <V453000> I wonder what that is
18:31:41  <Eddi|zuHause> well you could try to base64-decode it :)
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18:36:09  <V453000> I was more interested about the twisted stuff than the ojůadsgfhg thing
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18:39:57  <SpComb> you could base64-decode the twisted stuff
18:40:44  <SpComb> ÁÚ«v\­Â+-yÛ-¹÷
18:41:44  <Terkhen> hello
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19:07:52  <Matulla> hi im in a little trouble  i genrated a new game  and played nice  but now i got a probleme there is a water well right beside a town that needs water
19:09:10  <NGC3982> Matulla: That should not really be a problem.
19:09:11  <Matulla> and next town is also  water  reciving  now  i got fear if i  get 2 towns  inside the station  water well it might explode some time to one town
19:10:08  <Pinkbeast> Towns never merge into one town, if that's what you're asking.
19:10:30  <V453000> they will both explode with a huge 3D voxel explosion sooner or laret
19:10:56  <Matulla> NGC3982:  did you see it in your telescope ? http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/490404main_starbirth-pinwheel-670.jpg
19:11:20  <Matulla> O.O B)
19:12:09  <Matulla> ok then one town station loads the water  and anload it to the other or does it back and forth automati
19:12:32  <Matulla> il try out
19:12:51  <Matulla> NGC3982:  i got a C14 here  25m  away
19:13:02  <Matulla> Germany
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19:14:32  <NGC3982> Nice. :-)
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19:26:05  <Wolf01> hi :)
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19:35:56  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25063 /trunk/src/lang (8 files) (2013-03-04 18:45:41 UTC)
19:35:57  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
19:35:58  <DorpsGek> afrikaans - 71 changes by ewaldhorn
19:35:59  <DorpsGek> belarusian - 3 changes by KorneySan
19:36:00  <DorpsGek> catalan - 2 changes by arnau
19:36:01  <DorpsGek> italian - 2 changes by lorenzodv
19:36:02  <DorpsGek> norwegian_bokmal - 5 changes by Tinman, bjelleklang
19:36:03  <DorpsGek> norwegian_nynorsk - 1 changes by bjelleklang
19:36:04  <DorpsGek> russian - 3 changes by KorneySan, Lone_Wolf
19:36:05  <DorpsGek> vietnamese - 3 changes by nglekhoi
19:41:46  <Sacro> Mmm, pornographic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_exyKhgnRI
19:52:31  <Wolf01> http://hackaday.com/2013/03/04/preserving-locomotives-with-3d-laser-scanning-and-3d-printing/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+hackaday%2FLgoM+%28Hack+a+Day%29 what about a high detail grf?
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20:14:08  <andythenorth> so when is the banannaanas rewrite happening?
20:14:21  <V453000> :DDD
20:16:30  <andythenorth> how hard can it be? :P
20:16:47  <andythenorth> how does bananas work anyway?
20:16:52  <V453000> honestly when I was reading his shit I could not believe what I see
20:17:07  <Ristovski> how can I replace an aged train?
20:17:16  <Ristovski> I tried using autoreplace, doesnt work
20:17:29  <Pinkbeast> Ristovski: It will normally be autorenewed when too old.
20:17:42  <Ristovski> Pinkbeast: i am on a server btw
20:17:46  <Ristovski> and it didnt autorenew
20:18:16  <andythenorth> V453000: 50% or so of it I agree with
20:18:28  <andythenorth> and if I didn't, I'd post in the thread, as you did
20:19:00  <andythenorth> bitching here is pointless :P
20:19:03  <V453000> which parts do you agree with? :o
20:19:13  <andythenorth> "bananas needs a rewrite" +1
20:19:25  <Ristovski> lol
20:19:28  <andythenorth> "distribute grfs by hand to players on request" -1, madness
20:19:53  <V453000> by hand is total wtf
20:19:55  <andythenorth> "it's messsy" +/- 0
20:19:57  <V453000> rewrite why though :d
20:20:08  <V453000> messy, well...
20:20:09  <andythenorth> ask TrueBrain how he feels about baannananananaas
20:20:11  <Ristovski> Pinkbeast: the train is 39/20 years old, and when I sent it to depo and click "autoreplace all" it didnt do anything
20:20:14  <V453000> to some point yeah
20:20:24  <Pinkbeast> Autoreplace != autorenew
20:20:55  <Ristovski> how can I renew it then?
20:21:04  <V453000> well, whatever, we both know that whatever happens those people wont accept bananas even if their reason was that penguins arent on north pole
20:21:25  <Pinkbeast> One thing at a time. Autoreplace would be used to replace all vehicles of type X (perhaps in group Y) with vehicles of type Z - old or new
20:21:40  <Pinkbeast> http://wiki.openttd.org/Advanced_Settings/Vehicles shows where autorenew is configured.
20:22:03  <Ristovski> thanks
20:22:31  <Pinkbeast> If that's stuck off, because of being on a server, I don't think you can do better than clone a new one and sell the old one. I don't know which options are so controlled.
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20:23:14  <Wolf01> 'night
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20:24:09  <luckz> what is the general consensus on the lovely-looking Train Fever here?
20:24:14  <Pinkbeast> Also you should check if the vehicle type is still available
20:24:46  <Ristovski> Pinkbeast: ok
20:25:17  <TrueBrain> andythenorth: I guess I miss some context here :P
20:25:26  <V453000> there is no train fever there is only ship fever
20:26:04  <andythenorth> TrueBrain: some comments by oztrans wrt bananaramaamas, not new
20:26:07  <andythenorth> not insane either
20:26:39  <TrueBrain> guess I just go back in this cave where it is dry :)
20:26:44  <andythenorth> :)
20:26:53  <andythenorth> let me know when you want to rewrite it
20:26:59  <TrueBrain> I? never
20:27:06  * andythenorth been helping alberth with his new web translator app
20:27:15  <andythenorth> looks nice-ish
20:27:27  <TrueBrain> good :)
20:27:30  <andythenorth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/3872/more_more_more.png
20:28:19  <TrueBrain> finish it up, make a good subversion handler, and start using it instead of WT3 :D
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20:39:04  <peter1138> hmm?
20:40:23  <peter1138> andythenorth, i don't see any such discussion
20:51:11  <andythenorth> peter1138 bananas thread, simuscape general openttd forum
20:51:46  <SpComb> bugmenot time
20:52:09  <SpComb> but discussing bananas on a closed forum isn't very useful for the rest of us
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20:55:27  <peter1138> oh
20:55:31  <peter1138> not on the openttd forums
20:55:38  <peter1138> or bug tracker
20:55:54  <andythenorth> [shrug] that's why I didn't deep link it
20:56:35  <peter1138> [shrug] that's why we don't see it
20:57:08  <andythenorth> anyway, there are some points, some are good
20:57:16  <andythenorth> one day maybe bananas gets rebuilt
20:57:17  <andythenorth> or not
20:57:27  <andythenorth> should I go to the pub?
20:57:40  <SpComb> perhaps the client could support third-party content servers somehow
20:57:52  <SpComb> people could host their own content servers as they wish
20:59:01  <peter1138> andythenorth, yes but i can't make it, so you have mine
20:59:54  <SpComb> but it's a question of integration into the game UI, and at some point you'll have reimplemented HTTP and a web browser in the game :)
21:00:41  <frosch123> SpComb: you remember... before bananas... there was the idea that every server should just send the grfs to the client :)
21:01:28  <SpComb> well, the grf/copyright authors would accept the terms of whatever content server they uploaded their GRF to
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21:02:17  <SpComb> and it would be their choice if and where they would do so
21:02:21  <andythenorth> anyway, this farm produces fruit (apples and pears) and livestock (pigs)
21:02:24  <SpComb> not sure how users would find them, though
21:02:25  <andythenorth> what shall I call it?
21:02:29  <andythenorth> orchard and piggery?
21:02:31  <andythenorth> or something boring
21:02:32  <andythenorth> ?
21:02:39  <SpComb> perhaps servers could link to external content servers in their metadata
21:04:17  <frosch123> SpComb: i think you missed the point :p
21:04:56  <SpComb> frosch123: well, simuscape authors could opt to upload their GRFs to the simuscape content server, which would let them delete them at will
21:05:15  <SpComb> my limited understanding of the issue :)
21:06:08  <andythenorth> tmwftlb
21:06:17  <andythenorth> imo :)
21:06:30  <frosch123> SpComb: the issue has never been that authors do not upload their stuff, but that others upload it
21:06:42  <frosch123> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1067325#p1067325 <- rb also summarised it
21:06:45  <andythenorth> blacklist grfids?
21:06:55  <andythenorth> hmm
21:06:56  <andythenorth> nvm
21:06:59  <andythenorth> back to making FIRS
21:07:08  <frosch123> but the same discussion was done before bananas when every month there was a suggestion to make servers send stuff to clients
21:07:26  <SpComb> true, true
21:07:35  <frosch123> but yeah, bananas works. and there are much more interesting and beneficial things to work on
21:08:19  <SpComb> a hardcoded centralized service with one authority does give content owners more control
21:09:18  * andythenorth makes cider
21:09:20  <andythenorth> in the game
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21:50:27  <TrueBrain> I wonder when people start to ask an ingame method to change the hardcoded masterserver, because they dont like the servers listed on the master :D
21:53:00  <peter1138> except they won't ask, they'll just speculate somewhere
21:53:34  <frosch123> i am fine with that. just andy has to stop bringing it up here :)
21:53:54  <frosch123> andythenorth: it's all your fault!
21:54:09  <andythenorth> :P
21:54:17  <andythenorth> I just want to improve bananas sometime
21:54:29  <TrueBrain> dont we all :D
21:55:03  <planetmaker> the only two thing it misses are configurable user-access to entries and improved dep selection
21:55:33  <TrueBrain> your list is significant shorter than mine :D
21:55:45  <planetmaker> :D
21:56:29  <frosch123> planetmaker: can't you solve all that via musa and ssh keys?
21:56:45  <frosch123> i.e. use musa via some coop server?
21:57:05  <planetmaker> Didn't think about that. Maybe...
21:57:12  <TrueBrain> musa does solve dep btw
21:57:20  <TrueBrain> well, solve is such a harsh word
21:57:21  <planetmaker> But I have no idea really, frosch123
21:57:23  <TrueBrain> enables :P
21:57:33  <TrueBrain> supports!
21:58:09  <frosch123> well, i am quite sure musa can do non-interactive authentication
21:58:29  <frosch123> so, you call just install your own auth in front of it
21:58:41  <frosch123> and then make coop auth itself
21:58:49  <planetmaker> hm :-)
21:59:03  <frosch123> just like it auto-compiles tags :)
21:59:19  <planetmaker> and auto-uploads compiled tags? :D (no, rather not)
21:59:26  <frosch123> so, if andy messes up the tags, it is immediately distributed to bananas :p
21:59:33  <planetmaker> :D
21:59:50  <planetmaker> oh, I don't except myself from that list...
22:00:43  <andythenorth> lolwut :P
22:00:56  <TrueBrain> I heard them say you stink andy
22:00:59  <TrueBrain> you should hit them
22:01:10  <TrueBrain> plz?
22:01:12  <planetmaker> :D
22:01:24  <andythenorth> TrueBrain: violence? o_O
22:01:39  <TrueBrain> no, a correcting hit
22:01:46  <andythenorth> oh education
22:01:52  <TrueBrain> to improve future behaviro
22:02:12  <frosch123> what future?
22:02:18  <frosch123> we are only living for the day
22:02:20  <TrueBrain> yours, ofc
22:02:31  <TrueBrain> GROUNDHOG DAY!!
22:02:59  <planetmaker> :-)
22:03:11  <TrueBrain> you were all thinking it; I said it
22:03:12  <TrueBrain> pff
22:03:15  <andythenorth> I wish we could make nml faster :P
22:03:21  <andythenorth> then my errors would show up quicker
22:03:22  <TrueBrain> rm -rf /*
22:03:24  <TrueBrain> makes it super quick
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22:03:40  <TrueBrain> (do not execute that command, ever, any *nix based system :P)
22:03:42  <TrueBrain> NOT!
22:03:53  <andythenorth> I have seen the video :P
22:03:55  <TrueBrain> +on :P
22:04:10  <__ln__> should i execute on cygwin?
22:04:14  <andythenorth> try it on a mac
22:04:19  <andythenorth> it keeps running for a while
22:04:24  <frosch123> i still like the space bug in that installer package
22:04:57  <frosch123> which did "rm -rf / usr/bla"  or something ilke that
22:05:01  <andythenorth> adding more industries to FIRS is not helping 'faster'
22:05:08  <andythenorth> slower and slower
22:05:13  <TrueBrain> make multiple versions
22:05:19  <TrueBrain> modularity is the key!
22:05:44  <TrueBrain> make a "core" grf on which the rest depend
22:05:48  <TrueBrain> distribute all except the "core"
22:05:50  <TrueBrain> and ask money for it!
22:05:54  <TrueBrain> YOU WILL BE RICH IN NO TIME!
22:06:32  <andythenorth> RICH!
22:06:44  <andythenorth> todo: baanananananas payment option
22:06:59  <TrueBrain> now you are on to something
22:07:06  <TrueBrain> I wire 10% of every transaction to my personal account
22:07:08  <TrueBrain> owh yeah
22:07:13  <frosch123> payment? you mean like paying to ban specific content?
22:07:53  <andythenorth> turns out cider is the most important cargo in basic temperate FIR
22:07:55  <andythenorth> FIRS *
22:13:45  <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r25064 trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp (2013-03-04 21:23:38 UTC)
22:13:46  <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5472]: Make sizes of the station preview identical list and direction selection identical in the station build window
22:14:56  <andythenorth> but should I turn the slaughterhouse into 'Ginsters Factory' ?
22:15:06  <andythenorth> or 'Pork Pie Factory' ?
22:15:12  <andythenorth> 'Pasty Maker'
22:15:16  <peter1138> who cares?
22:15:22  <peter1138> you'll never finish it, so we'll never get to play it
22:15:34  <andythenorth> eh?  it's nearly done
22:16:03  <frosch123> 'pasty maker' is not compatible to non-native players
22:16:11  <andythenorth> if I don't find any broken bits, I'll commit before bedtime :P
22:16:42  <andythenorth> frosch123: does it translate? :P
22:17:03  <frosch123> well, "pasty" is not exactly a main-stream vocabulary in the meaning you use it
22:17:14  <andythenorth> probably not :)
22:17:34  <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasty
22:17:36  <frosch123> i would think it produced baby food or so
22:20:41  <Prof_Frink> andythenorth: Can you make the industries vary by location?
22:20:47  <andythenorth> ?
22:20:58  <Prof_Frink> Have Pasty Maker in the southwest and Pork Pie factory in the midlands.
22:21:02  <andythenorth> :)
22:21:08  <andythenorth> yes but no but
22:21:25  <andythenorth> this economy is mostly devon, cornwall and south wales :P
22:21:44  <andythenorth> there's some scenario for that or something
22:21:47  <kormer> maybe instead have it set so they can't be within x tiles of each other, and scale x by map size
22:21:51  <Prof_Frink> Cream Tea Shop?
22:21:58  <andythenorth> ho ho
22:22:07  <andythenorth> 'dubious tourist attraction'
22:22:18  <andythenorth> accepts: passengers, cream, scones
22:22:32  <andythenorth> produces: dissatisfaction, car sickness
22:22:45  <andythenorth> I should make a stonehenge industry
22:22:49  <andythenorth> and glastonbury
22:22:52  <andythenorth> and cheddar gorge
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22:23:32  <frosch123> hmm... i remember... i did not read unseen academicals in the original, else i should have known about pasties
22:23:57  <andythenorth> you'd know about blind yeo as well then
22:24:04  <andythenorth> I drive over blind yeo every now and then
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22:29:15  <andythenorth> peter1138: there you go, done :) http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/
22:29:32  <andythenorth> Basic Temperate ~= Cornwall and Wales, if you care :P
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22:32:54  <andythenorth> hmm
22:32:59  <andythenorth> I have added an orchard
22:33:06  <andythenorth> and scrap metal cargo
22:33:18  <andythenorth> now google is showing me ads for "John Orchard Scrap Metal"
22:33:21  <andythenorth> random :P
22:35:22  <Ristovski> lol
22:37:37  <frosch123> night
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22:40:16  <andythenorth> bed
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23:21:13  <Terkhen> good night
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