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00:15:08 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 00:38:07 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d08eb48.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My life for Aiur] 00:49:00 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 00:50:49 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-208-105-82-227.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:25:53 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 01:26:21 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach him how to fish, and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day] 01:35:31 *** kero [~keikoz@131.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: kero] 01:36:28 *** Bad_Brett [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 01:36:32 <Bad_Brett> hello guys 01:41:19 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-076-097.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 01:43:08 <Supercheese> Heya 01:43:17 <Supercheese> I probably should be testing FIRS 01:43:24 <Supercheese> but there's this game called War Thunder... 01:51:42 *** Donnie [~Donnie@113.12.188.66] has joined #openttd 01:57:15 <Donnie> How to modify the duration of the game day?It too fast the day 01:58:17 <Eddi|zuHause> that is not possible in the official versions, but there are some experimental versions out there which can do this 01:58:55 <Eddi|zuHause> look for "daylength" in the development forum, but expect lots of bugs and incompatible savegames 01:58:56 <Supercheese> search forums for "daylength" 01:59:02 <Supercheese> haha 01:59:06 <Donnie> thx 02:09:48 <Bad_Brett> I think TT is rather slow as it is 02:10:23 <Bad_Brett> I don't think I've ever played until 2030, which was the goal in the original game 02:20:52 *** Donnie [~Donnie@113.12.188.66] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:25:14 <wolfmitchell> Idea for a feature: ability to 'op' clients so they can do the same things as if you were the server owner, which is useful if you have a dedicated server and don't feel like memorizing all the comands/want to use functions that don't have a command 02:32:49 *** Donnie [~Donnie@113.12.188.66] has joined #openttd 02:38:26 <Eddi|zuHause> "clients" can only be "op" if you give them the rcon password 02:39:05 <Eddi|zuHause> and which things do not have a command? 02:48:07 <wolfmitchell> iirc there is no command for the fast forward thing 02:48:13 <wolfmitchell> or to change AI settings 02:57:40 <Eddi|zuHause> there is no fast forward in multiplayer 02:58:04 <Eddi|zuHause> not command not gui nor otherwise 03:29:55 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host31-54-127-222.range31-54.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 03:50:25 *** Donnie [~Donnie@113.12.188.66] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:50:59 *** Donnie [~Donnie@113.12.188.66] has joined #openttd 03:52:24 <Donnie> 03:56:55 *** Donnie [~Donnie@113.12.188.66] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:57:27 *** Donnie [~Donnie@113.12.188.66] has joined #openttd 03:58:19 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-228-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:02:10 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 05:02:26 *** apiecux [~apiecux@ui89-892t.21z4-ee.ldti.srv.parano.me] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:02:43 *** Markk [mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:12:18 *** apiecux [~apiecux@ui89-892t.21z4-ee.ldti.srv.parano.me] has joined #openttd 05:14:32 *** Markk [mark@rikskriminalpolisen.com] has joined #openttd 05:17:11 *** Donnie [~Donnie@113.12.188.66] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:17:41 *** Donnie [~Donnie@113.12.188.66] has joined #openttd 05:21:24 *** orudge [~orudge@000128f1.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:21:26 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@yoda.zernebok.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:30:46 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye !] 05:30:47 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@yoda.zernebok.com] has joined #openttd 05:30:48 *** orudge [~orudge@owenrudge.net] has joined #openttd 06:22:04 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:36:59 *** Donnie [~Donnie@113.12.188.66] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:38:12 *** Donnie [~Donnie@113.12.188.66] has joined #openttd 06:46:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5EFD.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 06:46:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4764.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 07:04:08 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 07:19:01 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:20:09 *** Donnie [~Donnie@113.12.188.66] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:52:09 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 07:55:46 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-228-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 08:08:19 *** Twofish [~Twofish@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:09:42 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:09:50 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 08:11:19 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:12:40 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 08:20:38 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-228-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 08:21:55 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:23:49 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:24:05 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 08:57:41 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:58:05 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 09:11:46 *** kamnet [4a8387d5@ircip1.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 09:12:50 <kamnet> Augh. I'm trying to update Scott Joplin Anthology on Bananas. Added new readme, changelog, reformatted the license, made modification to the obm file. Upped the version number, repackaged in new tar file. Bananas says, "There is already a package with the exact same footprint." 09:16:15 <kamnet> Why isn't a new md5 hash being created? :-( 09:18:14 <peter1138> well collisions are not impossible 09:18:31 <__ln__> they are in practice 09:18:56 <__ln__> unless kamnet specifically tried to create a collision and had a lot of computing power to do that 09:19:40 <kamnet> Well, I *AM* using an Intel i3 core... ;-) 09:20:11 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@84.40.82.221] has joined #openttd 09:20:46 <TinoDidriksen> I've had plenty of MD5 collisions even for just a few thousand files, so I had to store the files as {MD5}_{Length} to disambiguate. 09:21:25 <__ln__> are we talking about the same MD5 as the rest of the world? 09:21:46 <TinoDidriksen> Yes 09:21:48 <kamnet> I would think the addition of two new files would be enough to trigger a change. 09:22:34 <__ln__> TinoDidriksen: can you show us a bunch of such colliding files? 09:26:14 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-009-227.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 09:28:50 <__ln__> because finding unintentional MD5 collisions with just a few thousand files sounds quite remarkable. 09:30:37 <andythenorth> even if the files are all the same? :P 09:31:36 <__ln__> in that case a bit less remarkable.. although i don't know how the _{Length} would distinguish two same files then. 09:33:19 <__ln__> TinoDidriksen: how did you calculate those MD5 hashes? 09:37:48 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:41:48 <andythenorth> bananas: you can, for practical purposes, hide a grf by setting a very low max version? 09:42:57 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host31-54-127-222.range31-54.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:44:10 <TinoDidriksen> __ln__, found it and it was not files - I remembered wrong. It was a cache of URLs to images where they collided, but given the much smaller data that's believable. 09:44:40 <kamnet> hmmm, I'll try that andythenorth 09:44:52 <TinoDidriksen> Currently the cache has 60k URLs and no collisions. 09:45:13 <andythenorth> kamnet: result will be interesting. UI suggests to me that it's possible, but I didn't test. 09:46:57 <__ln__> TinoDidriksen: are you sure you weren't e.g. calculating the hash only based on the first 30 bytes or something? 09:47:09 <TinoDidriksen> Quite sure 09:47:49 <kamnet> Nope, that don't work either. 09:48:10 <TinoDidriksen> It's old code anyway; using SHA1 and better these days. 09:48:15 <kamnet> There is already a package with the unique id '414D4A53'. 09:49:25 <__ln__> kamnet: that's only four bytes. 09:50:02 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0/20130215130331]] 09:50:53 <TinoDidriksen> So Bananas only uses the first 4 bytes of the hash for the ID? 09:58:01 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:13:37 <__ln__> i have no idea, but if it does, collisions are 2^(8*12) = 79228162514264337593543950336 times more likely than with MD5. 10:23:56 <andythenorth> Don't Believe The Hype 10:24:17 <kamnet> the great white hype 10:24:19 <kamnet> ? 10:24:29 <andythenorth> Public NME 10:37:48 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@84.40.82.221] has quit [Quit: Tvel] 10:56:31 <andythenorth> @seen pokka 10:56:31 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: pokka was last seen in #openttd 20 hours, 39 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <Pokka> yes he has 11:00:40 <V453000> @seen Pikka 11:00:40 <DorpsGek> V453000: Pikka was last seen in #openttd 15 hours, 23 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <Pikka> goondight 11:00:44 <V453000> ha 11:00:46 <V453000> see :P 11:04:40 <kamnet> @seen alpaca 11:04:40 <DorpsGek> kamnet: alpaca was last seen in #openttd 1 year, 37 weeks, 1 day, 21 hours, 36 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <Alpaca> found the solution (eventually), thanks! Now I don't have to remake maps to tweak sets 11:07:56 <andythenorth> @seen V453000 11:07:56 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: V453000 was last seen in #openttd 7 minutes and 10 seconds ago: <V453000> see :P 11:12:32 <V453000> duh 11:14:20 <kamnet> @seen London 11:14:20 <DorpsGek> kamnet: I have not seen London. 11:14:25 <kamnet> @seen France 11:14:25 <DorpsGek> kamnet: I have not seen France. 11:14:35 <kamnet> Well, I suppose you've not seen Andy's underpants, either, eh? 11:14:42 <kamnet> You're not fun, DorpsGek! 11:26:50 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has joined #openttd 11:30:03 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-71-172.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:38:16 *** kamnet [4a8387d5@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 11:38:28 <V453000> andythenorth: those YMMV and whatever make it rather hard to read :D had to google those 11:38:43 <andythenorth> well you learnt something ;) 11:40:15 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 11:40:16 *** George is now known as Guest1168 11:40:16 *** George|2 is now known as George 11:40:18 <V453000> question is how long will I remember that 11:40:27 <andythenorth> dunno 11:40:28 <V453000> braindead incorporated 11:40:32 <andythenorth> I do pretty well, YMMV 11:41:05 <V453000> I dont even know if my answer is yes or no 11:41:15 <andythenorth> BTW, FWIW (and just FYI), IMHO, TLAs and FLAs help with the tl;dr problem 11:41:21 <andythenorth> yeah, right :P 11:41:34 <V453000> :d 11:41:53 <andythenorth> have you fixed my ship set yet? 11:41:58 <andythenorth> it's still broken for gameplay 11:42:01 *** Guest1168 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:42:27 <Eddi|zuHause> they're called ETLAs 11:42:32 <V453000> what is broken there? :D 11:42:53 <andythenorth> I am making changes to try and keep the sprite contributors happy (and for other reasons) 11:42:55 <Eddi|zuHause> because FLA isn't an FLA 11:43:02 <andythenorth> I don't want to draw all the ships :P 11:43:05 <andythenorth> but it's kind of hard 11:43:22 <V453000> see I dont have sprite contributors and I am happy in return :P 11:43:36 <andythenorth> I am happier to have contributors than draw my own ships 11:43:43 <andythenorth> also they might be right, more or less 11:43:51 <V453000> though honestly my ship sucks ass 11:44:10 <andythenorth> so the question: is there any point having river ships and sea ships separately? 11:44:37 <V453000> was considering to STEAL one from FISH, but in the end it worked out somewhat :) 11:44:52 <V453000> what do you mean separately, on a different RAILTYPE? :D 11:47:10 <andythenorth> :P 11:48:13 <andythenorth> bbl 11:48:19 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 11:49:02 *** Devroush [~dennis@d5152695A.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:53:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4764.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 12:02:19 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:15:47 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: connection reset by myself] 13:15:04 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 13:18:50 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4db0e62c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 13:33:15 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:36:41 *** Devroush [~dennis@d5152695A.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 13:52:14 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:57:22 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 14:03:41 *** Devroush [~dennis@d5152695A.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:05:34 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:13:00 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 14:14:46 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 14:28:53 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 14:38:04 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has joined #openttd 14:51:21 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:20:14 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-2-245.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 15:20:48 <Pikka> I don't think there's much point, andy. 15:21:13 <Pikka> simplicate things! 15:26:53 <andythenorth> Pikka: what was the question eh? 15:27:11 <Pikka> whether to have separate river ships 15:27:17 <andythenorth> oh that yes 15:27:20 <andythenorth> I can 15:27:23 <andythenorth> but should I? :P 15:27:48 <andythenorth> also hello Pikka 15:27:57 <Pikka> also hello andythenorth 15:38:33 <Pikka> pikkarail.com/junk/before.png 15:38:38 <Pikka> pikkarail.com/junk/after.png 15:38:41 <Pikka> simplify :D 15:39:45 <Pikka> 16 RVs covering 1910-2050+, who needs more? :) 15:40:07 <andythenorth> so 15:40:11 <andythenorth> why 4 generations of bus? 15:40:15 <andythenorth> why not just one? 15:40:20 <andythenorth> is what puzzles me :) 15:40:34 <Pikka> "realism" or something :) 15:40:40 <andythenorth> oh that 15:40:41 <andythenorth> lol 15:40:43 <andythenorth> ok 15:42:22 <Pikka> but there's significant stats changes 15:42:38 <Pikka> it's not just "oh, here's another vehicle exactly the same as the one you got 5 years ago" 15:48:17 <andythenorth> that's why I have no problems with this in HEQS :P 15:48:27 <andythenorth> mining trucks: 35t, 50t, 90t, 120t, 160t 15:48:31 <andythenorth> *that's* progress 15:48:35 <andythenorth> not this dicking about 15:49:00 <andythenorth> oh look, I'll give you just enough extra capacity and speed that you have to arse about scrapping 15% of vehicles on this route :P 15:49:27 <Pikka> :] 15:49:46 <andythenorth> BANDIT is going to be very realistic 15:50:21 <Pikka> with fewer vehicles with more time between them, then even if there is arsing about rebalancing, at least it's not as often 15:50:23 <andythenorth> it will have one big jump around 1948, when trucks could benefit from wartime development of engines, transmissions, axles etc 15:50:39 <andythenorth> and another big jump in 1970s / 80s due to 'legislation changes' 15:50:48 <andythenorth> that will do :P 15:51:17 <andythenorth> even that is overthinking it :D 15:52:28 <Pikka> yes 15:52:51 <Pikka> but if you want to be very realistic, I suppose you have to take such considerations into consideration. 15:53:34 <Pikka> also, the problem with occasionally keeping strange hours is you never know when it's appropriate to have a drink D; 15:54:34 <Pikka> over the yardarm doesn't really apply when you got up at 6pm :) 15:55:26 <Pinkbeast> Have a strict rule to get out of bed and put on at least one item of clothing before having a snifter 16:00:11 *** Twofish [~Twofish@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:20:08 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:22:24 *** Pulec [pulec@unaffilated.amunak.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:24:54 *** Pulec [pulec@unaffilated.amunak.net] has joined #openttd 16:25:04 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:25:52 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 16:40:23 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 16:50:28 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:13:03 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has joined #openttd 17:19:00 *** goodger [~ben@host86-145-89-50.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: goodger] 17:19:44 *** goodger [~ben@host86-145-89-50.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:49:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.191.169] has joined #openttd 17:51:34 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat-ulcn.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:54:44 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.183.0] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:55:23 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has joined #openttd 18:02:44 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has quit [Quit: Tvel] 18:07:17 *** M1zera [~Miranda@ip-78-102-228-126.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:08:39 <andythenorth> Pikka: smuggling industry grf? 18:08:42 <andythenorth> or silly idea 18:09:11 <Pikka> bit strange :) 18:10:53 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 18:18:48 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5586.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:25:17 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1935D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:30:41 <Terkhen> hello 18:31:05 <andythenorth> lo Terkhen also quak 18:34:19 <Pikka> andythenorth, silly idea?: 18:35:01 <Pikka> all vehicles in one grf (trains, rvs, planes, ships), with parameter options to disable each vehicle type if players don't want them 18:35:08 <andythenorth> oh oh oh 18:35:15 <andythenorth> that's what I was doing with HEQS :) 18:35:22 <andythenorth> it's supposed to have ships and planes in 18:35:25 <andythenorth> :P 18:35:30 <andythenorth> I got shouted at :P 18:35:31 <frosch123> moin :) 18:35:33 <Pikka> also town buildings and industries in one grf? 18:35:33 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1BC34.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 18:35:35 <andythenorth> then I didn't do it 18:35:39 <Pikka> hello frosch123 18:35:43 <andythenorth> Pikka: all in one theme pack? 18:35:57 <Pikka> yeah 18:36:22 <Pikka> a base set, a vehicle grf, a town&industry grf and an infrastructure grf 18:36:28 <Pikka> for the complete pikka experience (tm) 18:36:33 <andythenorth> I wouldn't 18:36:34 <andythenorth> but you should 18:36:49 <frosch123> Pikka: next step would be your own forum :) 18:37:22 <Pikka> my own forum would imply I'm interested in what randoms have to say, frosch123 ;) 18:38:03 <frosch123> ah, right, you were running a blog 18:38:25 <Pikka> yes, a bolg 18:39:07 *** kero [~keikoz@131.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 18:39:18 <Pikka> anyway, I shall also fail to put all this on bananas, thus resulting in it "not existing" as far as most openttd players are concerned. good idea, andythenorth? :) 18:40:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1935D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:40:21 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 18:40:28 <andythenorth> a blag 18:40:36 <andythenorth> Pikka: not good idea also 18:40:46 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 18:41:06 <Pikka> aw, I thought it was a triffic idea 18:41:15 <andythenorth> make your own bananas 18:41:17 <andythenorth> is what I meant 18:41:28 *** kero [~keikoz@131.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [] 18:41:39 <andythenorth> for one grf 18:41:46 <Pikka> o 18:41:46 <andythenorth> herp 18:41:51 <andythenorth> if I make one grf 18:41:55 <andythenorth> there will be no trains :( 18:42:03 <andythenorth> except that mog thing 18:42:07 <Pikka> trains are overrated 18:42:09 <Pikka> or something 18:42:26 <Pikka> TTD is all about planes and ships 18:44:06 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-208-105-82-227.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 18:55:08 <frosch123> yeah, esp. jet planes 18:55:13 <frosch123> sometimes they start flaming 18:57:08 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:57:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 19:02:23 <andythenorth> shameful internet 19:02:38 <andythenorth> also I should fix these fishing harbours 19:02:42 <andythenorth> construction state smells 19:07:24 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 19:08:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4764.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 19:09:07 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [] 19:09:25 *** Devroush [~dennis@d5152695A.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:13:58 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:14:19 *** kero [~keikoz@131.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 19:16:43 <jonty-comp> oh for god's sake 19:16:51 * jonty-comp spambins some more simuscape shit 19:21:42 <andythenorth> from or against? 19:21:51 <jonty-comp> in the hall of fame topic 19:21:57 <jonty-comp> i split it now so nothing to see here :P 19:23:29 <peter1138> they just can't stop can they 19:23:47 *** OneAnother [4df7b5a2@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 19:24:03 *** OneAnother [4df7b5a2@ircip2.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 19:25:32 <Pikka> complaining is fun 19:25:38 <jonty-comp> it is rather 19:25:51 <jonty-comp> god knows if i wasn't a moderator i'd join them 19:25:57 <jonty-comp> but i am a MATURE INDIVIDIAL now 19:25:59 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 19:26:33 <peter1138> i shouldn't've done that 19:26:36 <peter1138> but i did 19:26:37 <Eddi|zuHause> pfft :p 19:26:51 <jonty-comp> hahah 19:27:36 <Eddi|zuHause> am i glad that the simuawards topic is in a forum that i don't read 19:27:55 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 19:31:15 <andythenorth> hmm 19:31:19 <andythenorth> I am glad I don't read off-topic 19:32:04 <andythenorth> jonty-comp: that was a nice warning, enjoy the FISH :) 19:32:11 <peter1138> yeah you'd have to vote about what windows you're using 19:34:03 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:35:20 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25070 /trunk/src/lang (korean.txt polish.txt) (2013-03-07 18:45:15 UTC) 19:35:21 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 19:35:22 <DorpsGek> korean - 2 changes by telk5093 19:35:23 <DorpsGek> polish - 1 changes by wojteks86 19:51:43 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:51:46 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 19:54:47 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:56:28 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:56:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@rubberductions.plus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:57:49 *** Snail [~snail@mobile-198-228-194-006.mycingular.net] has joined #openttd 20:04:01 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:12:20 <skrzyp> how can I optimize performance of OTTD? 20:13:19 *** Snail [~snail@mobile-198-228-194-006.mycingular.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 20:15:25 <NGC3982> That depends on how far you are willing to go 20:16:44 <NGC3982> Other than hardware changes, nothing really. 20:16:52 <NGC3982> As far as i think. 20:17:42 *** Snail [~snail@mobile-198-228-194-006.mycingular.net] has joined #openttd 20:20:39 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:27:06 <Bad_Brett> Messing with the sprite cache size did the trick for me 20:29:15 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:29:35 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 20:29:58 <Alberth> don't run AIs, don't use 2048x2048 tile maps, use 8bpp, reduce animation effects 20:33:37 <Eddi|zuHause> don't play the game => lowest CPU consumption of all 20:38:32 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:38:45 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host49-232-dynamic.41-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 20:38:51 <Wolf01> hello :D 20:41:30 <Alberth> hi Wolf 20:42:03 <Alberth> and if you turn off the computer, you'll also save the environment :p 20:42:12 <Alberth> hi andy 20:44:39 <NGC3982> Bad_Brett: One can do that? 20:45:07 <NGC3982> Oh, and yes: Never try and play OpenTTD on an Atom CPU. 20:45:09 <andythenorth> lo 20:45:14 <andythenorth> hmm 20:45:18 <andythenorth> construction states 20:45:19 <andythenorth> what joy 20:46:01 <Bad_Brett> fun to make? 20:47:16 <Bad_Brett> <NGC3982> i know very little about these things. it was eddi who suggested that I should increase the sprite cache size in the config file... and the CPU usage went down from about 40-50% to 1-2% 20:47:40 <NGC3982> Seriosly? 20:47:41 * NGC3982 tries. 20:47:45 <andythenorth> construction states are pain in the arse 20:49:53 <Bad_Brett> i think they're pretty fun to draw :) 20:50:29 <ZxBiohazardZx> define optimize it 20:50:34 <ZxBiohazardZx> are you having issues? 20:51:19 <ZxBiohazardZx> the only time i want to optimise ottd is when im playing big maps (4k*4k) with alot of trains (1k-2k) 20:51:33 <ZxBiohazardZx> and or combine above with paxdest / timetables 20:51:36 <ZxBiohazardZx> then saving etc is bitchy 20:51:38 <NGC3982> sorry, 4k? 20:56:53 <Eddi|zuHause> <Bad_Brett> <NGC3982> i know very little about these things. it was eddi who suggested that I should increase the sprite cache size in the config file... and the CPU usage went down from about 40-50% to 1-2% <-- that's for if you use lots of high-resolution-32bpp graphics 20:59:18 <ZxBiohazardZx> 4000 20:59:19 <ZxBiohazardZx> 4k 20:59:26 <ZxBiohazardZx> 4098 whatever ottd uses 21:00:07 <Eddi|zuHause> 4096... how can you not know your powers of two? :p 21:01:25 <Bad_Brett> yes, the sprite size cache shouldn't be a problem unless you play with 32bpp... the reason i mentioned it is because some people use zBase (though it still contains less animations than my grf) 21:01:52 <Pikka> boo construction states 21:02:25 <Bad_Brett> they're your friend :) 21:03:02 <andythenorth> constructions states on water :P 21:03:41 <Bad_Brett> Just make them blank? 21:04:01 <andythenorth> maybe 21:04:06 <andythenorth> have to code the fucker first though :P 21:04:24 <andythenorth> all my frameworked code is awesome, but I have to extend it for custom construction states :P 21:05:06 <Bad_Brett> then i feel your pain 21:05:29 <andythenorth> also I don't get sleep :P 21:06:18 <Bad_Brett> overrated :) 21:08:42 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 21:18:47 <andythenorth> Alberth: I need to check industry.override_default_construction_states==True 21:18:52 <andythenorth> but industry.override_default_construction_states may be undefined 21:19:15 <andythenorth> I could use hasattr, but I can't figure out how to check exists AND is true (in one simple line) 21:19:40 <Alberth> make it 'None' in the constructor? 21:20:17 <andythenorth> instead of False? 21:20:22 <Eddi|zuHause> "None" evaluates to false if not handled explicitly 21:20:35 <andythenorth> currently I set self.override_default_construction_states = kwargs.get('override_default_construction_states', False) 21:20:44 <andythenorth> which I thought would work 21:20:49 <Eddi|zuHause> so "if blah:" will not be run if None or False, but is run if True 21:21:02 <Alberth> so why may it not exist then? 21:21:31 <andythenorth> not sure 21:21:37 <andythenorth> have to go look some more I guess :) 21:21:43 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: I always check for None-ness explicitly, and for boolean value if it is not None 21:21:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i don't understand the problem 21:22:11 <andythenorth> I don't either 21:22:17 <andythenorth> afaict I've done the right thing 21:22:22 <andythenorth> I must miss something somewhere 21:22:34 <Alberth> in general it is bad practice to not know whether fields exist; life is a whole lot simpler if you just create all of them in the constructor 21:22:55 <Eddi|zuHause> it would help if you described the actual problem, not your perception of a skewed solution 21:23:34 <Eddi|zuHause> in CETS i state explicitly which arguments i want out of the kwargs 21:23:43 <andythenorth> AttributeError: 'Industry' object has no attribute 'override_default_construction_states' 21:24:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i.e. i call function(**values), but i def function(a,b,x, **values) 21:24:27 <Eddi|zuHause> then it throws an error if a,b or x are not defined 21:25:22 <andythenorth> user error 21:26:04 <Eddi|zuHause> either you read it before you define it, or the assignment is in some conditional clause where the other branch misses it 21:26:13 <Eddi|zuHause> or you mistyped 21:27:15 *** Snail [~snail@mobile-198-228-194-006.mycingular.net] has quit [Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi] 21:28:22 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:29:04 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 21:29:08 <andythenorth> industry.default_industry_properties.override_default_construction_states 21:29:18 <andythenorth> not industry.override_default_construction_states 21:29:23 <andythenorth> blearch 21:50:45 <andythenorth> herp 21:50:54 <andythenorth> && is not and in python :P 21:55:02 <Eddi|zuHause> happens ;) 21:55:30 <Alberth> glad I am not the only one doing that wrong :) 21:57:22 <andythenorth> I thought I was the only python retard in this channel? o_O 21:57:55 <andythenorth> slow slow slow nml 21:58:06 <andythenorth> now I have to find web pages to read every time I compile FIRS :P 21:58:09 <andythenorth> I'm running out 21:58:20 <andythenorth> it will be time for random wikipedia surfing soon 22:02:18 <Alberth> I can offer some eints issues instead :p 22:02:59 <andythenorth> feeling abandoned? :( 22:05:33 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-71-172.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 22:15:27 <andythenorth> Alberth: any particular issue? 22:15:30 <andythenorth> 5207? 22:15:31 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 22:15:46 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has joined #openttd 22:16:36 <Alberth> no, not feeling abandoned, you're busy FIRSing :) 22:17:53 <Alberth> all but 4823 5162 and 5174 (and perhaps 5177) could use some of your time 22:18:46 <Alberth> I am adding some user and access rights to the program 22:19:24 <Alberth> have any ideas about how we should manage translators in a project? 22:19:41 <andythenorth> implementation-wise, process-wise? or GUI-wise? :) 22:20:29 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-165-38-158.range86-165.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 22:21:44 <andythenorth> gah 22:21:45 <andythenorth> nmlc ERROR: There are not enough registers available to perform all required computations in switch blocks. Please reduce the complexity of your code. 22:21:51 <andythenorth> :( 22:22:14 <Alberth> :( 22:22:36 <Alberth> (10:29:41 PM) andythenorth: implementation-wise, process-wise? or GUI-wise? :) <-- process-wise would be a good start imho 22:24:29 <andythenorth> Alberth: can you undo a language deletion? 22:24:44 <Alberth> upload the file again? :) 22:25:45 <Alberth> you'll lose all history though 22:26:49 <andythenorth> k 22:27:17 <frosch123> svn cp from older revision should work iirc 22:27:27 <frosch123> hmm, though this is hg 22:27:39 <frosch123> i am sure you can merge with and older version again in some way 22:28:09 <Alberth> frosch123: andythenorth is talking about the eints app, which has no version control 22:28:30 <frosch123> but it operates on a repository, doesn't it? 22:28:36 <Alberth> nope 22:28:39 <frosch123> or does it have additional data in its own database? 22:29:37 <Alberth> it keeps everything in a file, which gets updated 22:29:51 <Alberth> it keeps the last n versions of that file though 22:31:23 <andythenorth> meanwhile 22:31:31 <andythenorth> there's no way to solve my nml issue, is there? :( 22:32:47 <Alberth> I am not sure what NML exactly does with registers, and whether there is still room 22:33:12 <Alberth> you may want to ask our planet maker, he might know 22:35:26 <frosch123> night 22:35:31 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5586.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:35 <andythenorth> Alberth: delete page improved 22:40:43 <andythenorth> not awesome, but better 22:41:06 <Alberth> nice 22:41:51 <Alberth> I seem to be only writing text today, instead of coding 22:42:36 <andythenorth> oops, forgot something 22:45:44 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d58-106-2-245.rdl801.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:46:07 *** Devroush14 [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 22:48:56 * andythenorth puzzles about how to work around register limit in spritelayouts 22:49:36 <andythenorth> probably need to remove some of the ground awareness stuff 22:51:38 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:58:19 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:58:49 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 22:59:48 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 23:00:02 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [] 23:02:32 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: connection reset by myself] 23:03:11 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-009-227.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 23:04:03 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-009-227.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 23:05:29 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:01 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 23:16:45 <Alberth> good night 23:16:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@88.130.191.169] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:20:39 <andythenorth> bye Alberth 23:20:53 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 23:22:42 <Terkhen> good night 23:24:41 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 23:27:01 <Wolf01> 'night all 23:27:06 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:27:53 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-165-38-158.range86-165.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:33:05 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BC34.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:43:00 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-29-233.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:49:03 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:49:33 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:49:50 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host31-54-127-222.range31-54.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:50:55 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@5e0097ae.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 23:56:28 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd