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https://dl.dropbox.com/u/20419525/BugOrAFeature.png 12:57:28 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@2002:4d66:7022:0:9475:cf9:b515:a66b] has joined #openttd 12:57:44 <V453000> if there is a logic train, it seems to keep blocking path of both diagonal half-tiles 12:57:59 <V453000> therefore the real train will never leave its spot 12:58:01 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:58:21 <V453000> if you substitute the logic train with a normal train, the longer train will normally depart as expected 12:58:27 <V453000> bug or a feature? :) 12:58:34 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:58:44 <frosch123> maybe it is too fast? 12:58:56 <frosch123> so when it reverses it always already leaves the tiel 12:59:19 <V453000> something like that I guess 12:59:41 <Eddi|zuHause> add another halftile of track, so the time is longer between reversals? 13:00:55 <V453000> it isnt an issue but unexpected behaviour to me, 2 halftiles are enough with all trains, so I am just asking if speed breaking PBS is a bug 13:01:00 <V453000> I know how to solve that :) 13:01:08 <Eddi|zuHause> what i think happens: logic train leaves the tile, reverses immediately. then a battle begins between logic train and the normal train, which train can reserve its path. this is usually "won" by the train that accelerates the fastest 13:01:39 <V453000> pretty much 13:01:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think it's a bug 13:01:48 <V453000> ok :) 13:02:28 <V453000> one of our madmen found how to brutally abuse it :P 13:02:29 <Eddi|zuHause> it may be "solveable" by priorities 13:03:33 <V453000> nah you dont really need to solve it, if it is a problem you can always just put there a slower logic train 13:04:56 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-092-078-248-048.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 13:10:13 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@2002:4d66:7022:0:9475:cf9:b515:a66b] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:14:36 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@2002:4d66:7022:0:c51c:83e1:6494:ad1] has joined #openttd 13:31:36 <andythenorth_> Is FIRS done yet? Can someone test it? o_O 13:32:14 <frosch123> should we do a tropic or toyland nocargoal game? :) 13:33:05 <planetmaker> anyone knows a NewGRF which defines a currency? 13:33:24 <frosch123> nope :) 13:33:42 <planetmaker> :-) 13:33:52 <frosch123> i would think if there is any, then from the czech tycoonez community 13:34:13 <planetmaker> but... there's the czech kroner in the game as well :D 13:34:26 <frosch123> but other than that, it is likely another of of the patchman-wasted-time-on-deving-a-feature-request-which-noone-used-then 13:35:28 <planetmaker> which means we should remove it ;) 13:36:56 <frosch123> to conclude belugas-wasted-time-on-deving-a-ttdp-feature-which-noone-used-then :) 13:37:48 <planetmaker> :D 13:38:02 <V453000> :D hello pm :) 13:38:11 <planetmaker> o/ 13:38:11 <Alberth> hi andy, fyi I started a little test with temperate basic economy 13:39:02 <V453000> devzone pullstuff just saved my ass btw :P managed to replace one of my templates for wagons and later smartly deleted one of the two :D 13:39:07 <V453000> pushstuff 13:39:09 <V453000> and stuff 13:39:24 <planetmaker> good :D So it pays off to use VCS ;-) 13:39:43 <frosch123> V453000: do you know about tycoonez.com doing a czech translation of ttd for ttdp? 13:40:05 <V453000> I doubt tycoonez.com is doing anything at all 13:40:36 <frosch123> http://ttd.tycoonez.com/?id=130 <- ok, the download page only lists the unifont grf 13:40:43 <V453000> I dont know much about them (I dont love them either), but from what I can tell from forum activity (1 post per 2 weeks?), I doubt they are active what so ever 13:41:04 <frosch123> yeah, it died in 2009 together with ttdp or so 13:41:13 <V453000> idk what that is but it is from 2006 :D 13:41:21 <frosch123> minime disappeared about the same time as patchman 13:41:57 <frosch123> V453000: ttdp cannot draw system truetype fonts, so someone started drawing a unicode font himself 13:42:10 <V453000> right 13:42:30 <V453000> idk I always used english, I hate czech in games 13:42:35 <V453000> and by hate I mean hate 13:42:44 <frosch123> yeah, i know :) 13:42:50 <frosch123> same applies to all translations of anything 13:43:07 <frosch123> my whole computer is running on an english locale 13:43:18 <V453000> I just wanted to say that I dont know anything about this problematic because I never solved anything there 13:43:21 <frosch123> and when i recently encountered the english translation of my german software at work 13:43:30 <frosch123> i trashed it completely and translated myself :) 13:43:38 *** Flygon [~Flygon@CPE-121-214-139-19.lnse3.lon.bigpond.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:44:15 <V453000> I often need to use tool-translator when I talk with colleagues who use czech versions of adobe producs :s 13:45:35 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:46:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 13:47:00 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 13:48:00 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@2002:4d66:7022:0:c51c:83e1:6494:ad1] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:50:18 *** snappy [nipnop@lastninja-1-pt.tunnel.tserv15.lax1.ipv6.he.net] has joined #openttd 13:50:54 <snappy> Been a long time since I looked into openttd. I was wondering how far along has the newgfx come? 13:51:30 <frosch123> opengfx is done for 3 years 13:51:46 <snappy> wow, really has been a long time for me heh. 13:52:54 <V453000> YAY :D 10 000 X pixels are pure white errors :D that is what I call smooth compiling 13:54:29 *** Bad_Brett [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 13:54:41 <frosch123> what are "X pixels"? are they better than "Y pixels"? 13:57:49 <V453000> x as in substitute with a random number :P 14:01:13 <Alberth> I picked 4 14:01:47 <V453000> not too far, is actually 32 14:12:35 <V453000> nuts at almost 30 000 lines of code ._. 14:12:57 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: A day without sunshine is like .... night] 14:26:38 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:30:59 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:32:41 <frosch123> damn, i hate this hg bug! 14:32:54 <planetmaker> which? 14:33:21 <frosch123> whenever i use -m "-Remove: ..." it considers -R as a command line option 14:33:25 <frosch123> instead of a parameter to -m 14:33:29 <frosch123> only happens to -R 14:33:37 <planetmaker> uh? 14:33:45 <frosch123> though i don't even know what option -R is 14:33:46 <planetmaker> that is... peculiar 14:33:50 <planetmaker> recursive 14:33:54 <frosch123> but then it complains that -m lacks its parameter :p 14:34:15 <planetmaker> which hg version? 14:34:21 <frosch123> planetmaker: no idea what recusive should mean for qnew 14:34:28 <frosch123> 1.6.4 14:34:34 <planetmaker> nothing ;-). But... 1.6 is... ancient 14:34:42 <frosch123> squeeze :) 14:35:02 <planetmaker> yeah... I got a checkout from hg stable and sometimes update to latest tag :D 14:43:06 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 14:45:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6D0E4.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 14:49:53 <frosch123> which script language uses {%foobar%} to query the database field "foobar" ? 14:50:44 <frosch123> i have been receiving spam mails from {%FROM_NAME%} for several weeks now :p 14:51:53 <michi_cc> Some random bulk mail software I'd guess. 14:56:39 *** wojteks86 [5db0e60d@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 14:58:30 *** wojteks86 [5db0e60d@ircip2.mibbit.com] has left #openttd [] 15:01:15 *** wojteks86 [5db0e60d@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 15:07:32 <wojteks86> hi 15:07:48 <wojteks86> can someone please tell me who created webtranslator? or where did we get it from :D 15:08:52 <Alberth> our sysadmin TB built it 15:09:48 <wojteks86> is it possible to make it an exe? to use locally for other translations too? 15:10:17 <Alberth> unlikely 15:10:39 <Alberth> it's Python, and aimed specifically at openttd strings 15:11:10 <Alberth> eg newgrf strings are already different 15:11:34 <wojteks86> I was just thinking... having it as a local app would make life so much easier for a translator :D 15:11:47 * Alberth agrees completely 15:11:55 <Alberth> want to write one? 15:11:59 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E72C.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:12:07 <wojteks86> Im not that experienced so not sure what is the difference between newgrf strings and ottd? 15:12:12 <wojteks86> yes 15:12:56 <Alberth> the set of {...} commands is different, for example 15:12:57 <wojteks86> I will start some time this month, I think 15:13:05 <wojteks86> aha 15:13:10 <Alberth> nice, we should talk then 15:13:29 <Alberth> do you know about the eints project at devzone? 15:13:39 <wojteks86> that's gonna take me 10 years, but I will then share it here :P 15:13:44 <wojteks86> nope 15:14:40 <Alberth> it's a web app I am building to do translations of newgrf strings 15:14:58 <wojteks86> is it somewhere on http://dev.openttdcoop.org 15:14:58 <wojteks86> ? 15:15:23 <Alberth> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/eints 15:16:44 <Alberth> but it could also be used as a back-end for uploading and downloading changes from another application, eg like one you are considering to write 15:17:38 <wojteks86> STR_BEER :{YELLOW}{COMMA} bottles of beer are needed 15:17:39 <wojteks86> :D 15:17:41 <wojteks86> good one 15:19:02 <V453000> :D 15:19:24 <wojteks86> ok so you are writing a web app 15:19:47 <wojteks86> I was thinking of an application that uses locally stored text files 15:20:12 * Alberth nods 15:20:24 <Alberth> there are actually 2 problems 15:21:22 <Alberth> one is that a newgrf project currently just has files, but they don't have enough information about what strings need to be worked on 15:22:33 <Alberth> also, an application like yours needs something to talk to when uploading or downloading changes 15:22:47 <Alberth> eg merging changes of different translators 15:22:53 <wojteks86> or you can choose a source file manually 15:23:04 <wojteks86> hmm yes 15:23:12 <Alberth> what if several authors work in the same language file? 15:23:28 <wojteks86> well, thats how it works atm 15:23:35 <Alberth> and the newgrf author also decides to change the files that you just downloaded 15:24:22 <Alberth> that's the application I am making currently, it knows what strings need work, and keeps track of updates from everybody 15:24:55 <wojteks86> you have more exp and Im sure you know how to do it better :D honestly 15:25:11 <wojteks86> I was just too selfish ;) 15:25:36 <Alberth> no, you're not, but you're missing some pieces of the bigger puzzle :) 15:26:27 <wojteks86> the reason for that is that I seem to be the only active Polish translator at the moment, but I know there are quite a few for Dutch and German 15:27:14 <Alberth> Well, my webapp thus keeps track of what needs work. That's a bit useless in itself, if you cannot change strings as well. 15:27:14 <Alberth> Thus I am extending my application with web-based editing of strings. 15:27:17 <wojteks86> a tool I thought of would be useful only for me, unless there is another translator out there who wants to translate the same newgrf as me 15:27:44 <Alberth> However, an application like you propose is also on my wish list. 15:27:51 <wojteks86> it will be very useful when you finish 15:28:25 <Alberth> so I think we can combine the effort 15:28:32 <wojteks86> why? is there something you would like to do with the strings locally even when you'd have your own app done? 15:29:38 <Alberth> tbh, yes. I want to click 'get all updates from all projects', and I can edit the strings locally 15:29:58 <wojteks86> ah, that would be useful 15:30:37 <wojteks86> does that mean you could vote for translations and choose the one that suits the most? 15:31:14 <Alberth> if you want to build your application, eints can be a source of changes that need to be handled, and it can accept work you have done. 15:31:40 <Alberth> Also, the code can parse strings, check correctness of them, and so on 15:32:05 <Alberth> which is code you'll also need, so it can be a source of inspiration on how to do things 15:32:21 <Alberth> or, if you use Python3, you can just copy it :) 15:32:28 <wojteks86> yes :) 15:32:59 <wojteks86> when did you start coding? 15:33:10 <Alberth> a month ago or so? 15:33:15 *** mapa-falsh [~mapa-fals@78-3-112-100.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #openttd 15:33:24 <wojteks86> no, I mean in general :D 15:33:30 <mapa-falsh> hello 15:33:33 <wojteks86> hi 15:33:36 <Alberth> but I started looking at strings and translations much longer ago 15:33:50 <mapa-falsh> i have a question 15:34:00 <mapa-falsh> i ment ,i need a big help 15:34:01 <Alberth> wojteks86: oh, in general, hmm, let's see, 30 years ago or so? :) 15:34:10 <Alberth> mapa-falsh: just ask the question 15:34:21 <wojteks86> that explains a lot :) 15:34:32 <mapa-falsh> how i install a latest version of openttd on my linux mint 13? 15:34:50 <Alberth> install the generic linux binary 15:34:52 <mapa-falsh> ... btw i am compleate noob in question or working on linux 15:35:16 <Alberth> 'install' mostly means download and unpack :) 15:35:45 <mapa-falsh> hmm... ok i installed so i will try to unpack it..... brb 15:36:01 <mapa-falsh> *install=*downloaded 15:36:09 <Alberth> mapa-falsh: no problem, we're not going anywhere :) 15:36:27 <wojteks86> yet :) 15:36:42 <Alberth> :) 15:37:01 <Alberth> it's raining outside, you don't want to go outside anyway :) 15:37:25 <wojteks86> not raining out here 15:37:36 <wojteks86> I need to catch a bus in 30 mins ;) 15:37:42 <mapa-falsh> hmm i downloaded for my linux mint 13 a ubuntu version 12.04? is that ok? 15:37:43 <Alberth> quickly go now before it starts then :) 15:38:03 <Alberth> that's not 'generic linux' afaik 15:38:22 <Alberth> mapa-falsh: ^ 15:38:32 <mapa-falsh> ??? 15:39:41 <wojteks86> I've never touched linux so cant really help, sorry 15:39:55 <mapa-falsh> lol it works..... for now.... and i am happy with it 15:40:03 <planetmaker> mapa-falsh, get the generic linux binary. Unpack in a dir of your choice. Start the binary 15:40:06 <mapa-falsh> btw thx a lot guyz 15:40:14 * planetmaker is slow. 15:40:34 *** kero [~keikoz@42.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 15:40:39 <mapa-falsh> planetmaker: i instaled it somehow and it is running... for now 15:40:40 <Alberth> mapa-falsh: http://devs.openttd.org/~alberth/generic_linux.png <-- Linux Generic Binary is above all Ubuntu binaries 15:41:08 <Alberth> mapa-falsh: you are running the right version? 15:41:16 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.164.214] has joined #openttd 15:41:26 <Alberth> the title bar tells you 15:41:27 <mapa-falsh> Alberth: dunno 15:41:38 <kero> please, is there a way for a gamescript datas being preserved in a savegame ? 15:41:50 <mapa-falsh> Alberth: atleast for now game is runing 15:41:57 <kero> (or an alternative file, also) 15:42:14 <mapa-falsh> thx guys 15:42:55 <Alberth> wojteks86: please consider whether you want to interface to eints or not. If not, that's fine too. If you have further questions just ask me 15:43:01 <wojteks86> right, I need to get going, Alberth, thanks for your help and advise ;) 15:43:12 <wojteks86> will do! 15:43:15 <Alberth> mapa-falsh: ok, if it works, that's ok then :) 15:43:18 <wojteks86> much appreciated! 15:43:20 <Alberth> bye wojteks86 15:43:23 <wojteks86> bye 15:43:29 *** wojteks86 [5db0e60d@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 15:46:29 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E72C.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 15:47:14 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6D0E4.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:48:50 *** mapa-falsh [~mapa-fals@78-3-112-100.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:50:55 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:51:09 <frosch123> kero: gamescripts can save and load whatever data they like to 15:51:54 <Alberth> andythenorth_: I pushed some language updates to firs 15:52:04 * NGC3982 pushes Alberth. 15:52:19 <Alberth> I am very stable :) 15:52:51 <kero> frosch123 : Interesting. Now I just need to figure out how :) 15:53:10 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:53:22 <planetmaker> kero, you might want to refer to some existing one. I know it exists. But I don't know in which 15:53:32 <frosch123> kero: http://wiki.openttd.org/AI:Save/Load 15:53:55 <frosch123> you can also look at sillicon valley, nocargoal or various AIs for examples 15:55:05 <kero> ok, great, i'll look at that 15:55:30 <kero> planetmaker : actually, i'm already working on a made script, which I'm trying to improve 15:55:49 <planetmaker> :-) always a good start 15:56:04 <kero> I calculate a mobile average, and I want to save the datas in case of reloading the game 15:56:12 <frosch123> i like the table at the bottom of that wiki page 15:56:29 <frosch123> it says "no" all throughout the "hardcode into ais" column :) 15:56:43 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 15:57:07 <frosch123> which is correct, but putting it into a table like that kind of stresses the point :) 15:59:55 <kero> frosch123 : great, that's exactly what I was looking for 16:00:45 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:03:23 *** goodger [~ben@host86-145-89-50.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:09:46 *** RXShorty [4dfbc5d5@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 16:09:56 <RXShorty> Hello all :) 16:10:16 <Alberth> hi 16:10:33 <RXShorty> I have a question about the dedicated server. I want to slow down the game speed, meaning it takes longer time for passing a year or so 16:10:36 <RXShorty> Is this possible? 16:11:39 <RXShorty> I have checked the openttd.cfg but can't find anything that is related to this setting. Am I correct? 16:11:59 <Alberth> yes 16:12:14 <Alberth> as in, you cannot set the speed 16:12:34 <RXShorty> Pitty... found some servers online that did fix that somehow. 16:13:01 <frosch123> you can pause the game when noone is playing 16:13:09 <frosch123> as in no client connected 16:13:18 <frosch123> but you cannot change the speed while people are playing 16:13:35 <Alberth> there are patches around that implement some form of it, but it's not in standard openttd 16:14:26 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-68-0.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:14:29 <RXShorty> ahh ok 16:15:03 <Alberth> note that your clients need the exact same version to play with 16:15:22 <RXShorty> Ok yes we are using 1.2.3 atm 16:15:25 <Alberth> so you cannot run a patched server, and have clients connect with a normal version 16:15:46 <RXShorty> Any idea where I can find such a patch? 16:16:01 <RXShorty> Sorry for the many questions, but we have a few new players... ;) 16:18:31 <Alberth> no idea tbh, I'd start looking in the development section of the forums 16:20:12 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 16:28:27 <RXShorty> Will do thanks :) 16:42:02 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 16:46:50 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:56:54 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:58:36 <RXShorty> @Alberth found it here: http://miburl.com/85J2Io 16:58:49 <Alberth> oke 17:00:25 <kero> Squirrel is maybee a nice language but it's very hard to find some learning tutorial about it 17:00:38 <kero> does somebody has some documentation ? 17:00:49 * Alberth ponders about "Advanced"ness of settings, in particular, as the difficulty settings are gone now 17:01:15 * NGC3982 wonders about how squirrel linguistics works out. 17:02:39 <planetmaker> hm, Alberth :-) Sounds like a good point 17:05:28 <frosch123> Alberth: once game options are gone, we can rename it just to settings :) 17:05:51 <Alberth> :) 17:06:23 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r25072 /trunk/src (6 files in 2 dirs) (2013-03-09 16:16:17 UTC) 17:06:24 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Don't require the custom currency to be the last defined one 17:06:32 <frosch123> anyway, i think "advanced" is a nice disclaimer 17:06:36 <frosch123> for people to not look at them :p 17:10:38 <Alberth> luckily we have the advanced basic settings :) 17:11:53 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r25073 trunk/src/currency.h (2013-03-09 16:21:47 UTC) 17:11:54 <DorpsGek> -Doc: Improve Currencies enum description 17:13:28 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r25074 trunk/src/settings_gui.cpp (2013-03-09 16:23:22 UTC) 17:13:29 <DorpsGek> -Cleanup: Simplify currency selection code slightly 17:14:49 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r25075 /trunk/src (3 files) (2013-03-09 16:24:43 UTC) 17:14:50 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Allow for more than 32 currencies 17:16:17 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22:02 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r25076 /trunk/src (3 files in 2 dirs) (2013-03-09 16:31:56 UTC) 17:22:03 <DorpsGek> -Add [FS#5212]: Georgian Lari and Iranian Rial as currencies 17:36:00 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 17:39:03 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has joined #openttd 17:42:54 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:44:30 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@2002:4d66:7022:0:3089:999b:6511:c103] has joined #openttd 17:56:39 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@2002:4d66:7022:0:3089:999b:6511:c103] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:26:41 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:34:12 *** RXShorty [4dfbc5d5@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 18:34:14 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:36:09 *** goodger [~ben@host86-148-68-0.range86-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:38:44 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-092-078-248-048.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 18:40:00 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-092-078-248-048.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 18:44:03 *** fonsinchen [~fonsinche@dslb-092-078-248-048.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:45:05 <planetmaker> good night 18:45:17 <Alberth> good night planetmaker 18:54:57 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:56:18 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:57:20 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:57:33 <Snail> good afternoon :) 19:01:04 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:18:16 <Ristovski> can you load a .sav in the scenario editor so you can edit the map? 19:19:12 <frosch123> yes, just rename it to .scn 19:19:13 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:19:17 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 19:19:30 <Ristovski> frosch123: hmm this works too: "openttd -e -g name.sav" 19:19:41 <frosch123> ok :) 19:21:25 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:22:01 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 19:22:11 <NGC3982> How can fast growth be achieved with OpenGFX+? 19:22:34 <NGC3982> I have this diamon mine that never reached >40 bags :( 19:25:36 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:25:39 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 19:27:07 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 19:31:29 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@84.40.82.221] has joined #openttd 19:32:58 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:35:36 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25077 /trunk/src/lang (4 files) (2013-03-09 18:45:27 UTC) 19:35:37 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 19:35:38 <DorpsGek> belarusian - 8 changes by Wowanxm 19:35:39 <DorpsGek> korean - 7 changes by telk5093 19:35:40 <DorpsGek> latvian - 3 changes by Parastais 19:35:41 <DorpsGek> polish - 2 changes by wojteks86 20:05:55 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-208-105-82-227.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 20:23:27 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 20:26:49 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:32:26 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:53:49 *** kero [~keikoz@42.90.76.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:57:18 *** kero [~keikoz@252.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 21:07:57 <andythenorth> did cirdan do the 'close airports' patch? o_O 21:08:06 <andythenorth> that's my favourite feature in ages 21:12:32 <Alberth> it's a nice part of the puzzle :) 21:14:24 * andythenorth has some...ideas 21:20:49 <Alberth> oh dear :) 21:21:11 <Alberth> hmm, loading stuff before starting the web server is useless :( 21:21:42 <frosch123> this noon i coded a small hackish patch, which did what it should in most cases 21:21:57 <frosch123> now i am trying to do it properly and run into dozen problems :p 21:22:21 <frosch123> maybe i should publish the first hack on the forums and request inclusion from the devs 21:24:47 <Alberth> oh, it's me, forgot to add a 'global' declaration. 21:25:27 <Alberth> frosch123: but now you've already told the devs it's broken 21:26:17 <frosch123> well, it is well-tested at least 21:26:27 <frosch123> since when does the test result matter? 21:27:54 <frosch123> i thought that's the usual way. medicine is well-tested in studies. food is under constant quality-observation. but noone asks about the results of the studies or tests :) 21:29:43 <Alberth> good point, I'd suggest to wait a little over three weeks 21:29:44 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:30:13 <andythenorth> idea numero uno: should buy menu show vehicle loading speed? Or is it a non-useful property? 21:30:16 <MNIM> frosch123: but what does it do? 21:30:27 <andythenorth> MNIM: it does whatever you want it to do :) 21:30:45 <andythenorth> and some unexpected things too, from the sound of it 21:31:35 <MNIM> I want it to do enhanced tunnels and signals in tunnels and bridges. 21:31:40 <MNIM> betcha it doesn't do that 21:31:54 <Alberth> andythenorth: NUTS does, but I don't really take notice of it 21:32:45 <Alberth> MNIM: I am sure some hack-ish patches exist for that 21:32:51 <MNIM> 2CC trainset does, though some loading speeds are mildly silly, otherwise rather useful 21:33:30 <MNIM> Alberth: I know of signals on bridges and tunnels but hackish is an understatement there, don't know about enhanced tunnels 21:34:32 <Alberth> signals on tunnels is not an enhancement? 21:35:34 <andythenorth> ok idea numero duo: sometimes I want FIRS industries to show recent cargo deliveries and/or current production ratio 21:35:40 <andythenorth> I could do that with text 21:35:56 <andythenorth> or I could do it by drawing it into the ground tile, and then using invisble to look 21:36:27 <andythenorth> neither of which requires a patch for ottd :) 21:36:58 <andythenorth> or we could add 'recently delivered cargo' to ottd 21:38:36 <Snail> two = due, not duo :) 21:39:08 <andythenorth> "other languages are available" :) 21:41:14 <Alberth> can't you use the 'waiting to be processed' silly texts? 21:41:52 <Alberth> imho, adding fixed texts to openttd would be a bad idea 21:44:57 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@84.40.82.221] has quit [Quit: Tvel] 21:49:59 <andythenorth> there's not much I can do with those silly texts :) 21:50:13 <andythenorth> although...I noticed recently, George has managed to customise them in ECS 21:50:21 <andythenorth> I don't know how he's done that :o 21:52:16 <andythenorth> maybe cargo subtype strings 21:53:00 <andythenorth> hmm, ECS isn't GPL? 21:53:11 <andythenorth> oh dear :( 21:54:38 <Alberth> no idea what its license is 21:57:36 <andythenorth> there are some FIRS graphics in there from other people under GPL 21:57:57 <andythenorth> I told ge*rge he can use my sprites, but that doesn't extend to other people :( 21:57:59 <andythenorth> oops 22:04:36 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-71-172.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 22:05:10 <Alberth> so technically, he is not obeying the license :p 22:05:25 <andythenorth> technically 22:05:33 <andythenorth> and I should chase that :( 22:05:44 <andythenorth> also how do I get OpenTTD to persist settings? 22:05:48 <andythenorth> it has always mystified me 22:06:29 <andythenorth> I keep selecting 'GS: none' and every time I start the program, I have a GS selected again 22:06:56 <Alberth> set it from the main menu, and save 22:07:02 <Alberth> euhm, exit 22:07:08 <andythenorth> I tried that 22:07:15 <andythenorth> oh, I have to 'accept'? :o 22:07:28 <Alberth> possibly 22:07:37 <andythenorth> oh 22:07:50 <andythenorth> and 'accept' is so widely used elsewhere of course :P 22:08:02 <andythenorth> and we always put the default button on the left too 22:08:05 <andythenorth> except when we don't 22:08:07 <Alberth> if there is such a button, it does not hurt to try it :) 22:08:33 <Alberth> yeah, it's nicely consistent and so 22:08:42 <andythenorth> yeah 22:08:44 <andythenorth> wonderful 22:08:52 <andythenorth> newgrf settings: apply (bottom right) 22:08:58 <andythenorth> game options: no requirement to save 22:09:04 <andythenorth> advanced options: no requirement to save 22:09:10 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:09:17 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has joined #openttd 22:09:21 <andythenorth> load game: load is bottom right 22:09:39 <Alberth> we seem to nee a few 'ok' buttons near the top 22:09:42 <andythenorth> GS: accept (bottom left) 22:09:42 <Alberth> *need 22:09:54 <andythenorth> some dialogs save when closing, others have to be closed explicitly 22:10:21 <Alberth> hmm, sounds like a nice todo thingie 22:10:24 <andythenorth> the GS / AI window sucks a bit 22:10:35 <andythenorth> opens smaller than the others, and the layout is just meh 22:10:57 <andythenorth> oh, and, of course, it has an explicit 'close' button 22:11:06 <andythenorth> even though there is also the standard 'x' on the window :P 22:11:21 <andythenorth> who made it? Am I hurting their feelings? :) 22:12:12 <andythenorth> the mix of stateless and non-stateless stuff is one thing, the other thing is the lack of consistency in gui 22:12:33 <andythenorth> Is the source code available? o_O 22:13:16 <frosch123> andythenorth: blame tb :) 22:13:27 <andythenorth> I do :) 22:13:31 <andythenorth> for most things 22:15:14 <andythenorth> ho ho, I just found FIRS 0.1.0 in my grf list 22:15:19 <andythenorth> what does that look like? o_O 22:16:27 <V453000> :D 22:17:06 <andythenorth> yeah, it's about the same 22:17:08 <andythenorth> not much changed 22:17:12 <frosch123> i am quite sure it does not work in ottd 0.1.0 22:18:52 <andythenorth> @calc 3430-751 22:18:52 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 2679 22:18:59 <andythenorth> only a few changes since 0.1.0 22:19:07 <andythenorth> hardly worth the effort afaict :P 22:19:40 <frosch123> maybe you should look in the middle? 22:19:42 <frosch123> 0.5.0 or so 22:19:52 <frosch123> maybe you added lots of stuff and then reverted it again :p 22:20:07 <andythenorth> that does seem to be the case 22:20:14 <andythenorth> also redrew nearly everything 22:20:25 <andythenorth> and ported the code about 4 times 22:20:31 <frosch123> if 0.5.0 has most, maybe 1.0.0 should be an empty grf? 22:20:39 <frosch123> bug free 22:20:40 <andythenorth> interesting idea 22:20:44 <andythenorth> I'll consider it :) 22:20:56 <andythenorth> when will vehicle 'views' be done? 22:21:02 <andythenorth> and what are they? oO 22:21:26 <frosch123> the end of the world maybe 22:21:40 <frosch123> i think that term is currently available 22:21:52 <frosch123> i am not aware of anyone having proclaimed it again lately 22:22:38 <andythenorth> oh yes 22:22:44 <andythenorth> I knew there was something to worry about it 22:22:53 <andythenorth> not having the end of the world to worry about does worry me 22:23:42 <frosch123> yeah, when is the next end of the world? 22:23:53 * frosch123 likes using "next" in that context 22:24:57 <andythenorth> n 22:25:01 <andythenorth> n+1 22:25:40 <andythenorth> so the thing about views 22:25:50 <andythenorth> in Squid / FISH / whatever it's called 22:26:02 <andythenorth> I randomise the graphics for each ship model a bit 22:26:09 <andythenorth> which is going to cause confused players 22:26:16 <andythenorth> "I built a ship and it looks different" 22:28:40 <Alberth> opengfx+ does that too with wagons 22:29:00 <Alberth> it changes colours and appearance 22:29:48 <Alberth> it's nice for displaying in the game world, but somewhat confusing in the buy menu 22:29:54 <andythenorth> yes 22:30:24 <andythenorth> it's a nice feature - I'm going to keep it....I just know it will have this side effect :) 22:31:01 <Alberth> if you know it works that way, it's not a problem 22:31:13 <frosch123> i would hope that would also happen irl 22:31:22 <frosch123> like buying a cheap car and it turns out to be a sports car 22:31:45 <Alberth> does that ever happen? :) 22:32:26 <frosch123> well, with sports cars all kind things happen 22:33:21 <frosch123> like a maelstrom appearing inside the fuel tank when accelerating 22:34:17 <Alberth> 1 liter every 400m ? :) Cruise ships do that 22:34:52 <V453000> NUTS express wagons look almost never the same as they do in the purchase menu :P 22:34:56 <Alberth> tanks are also horrible :) 22:35:07 <V453000> well they do if they are not attached to stuff 22:35:39 <frosch123> otoh nuts pax wagon look the same even when refitting to different colour :p 22:35:45 <Alberth> V453000: but the choice in wagons is fairly limited, which makes life a lot easier 22:35:51 * andythenorth has rebalanced Squid 22:35:52 <andythenorth> joy 22:35:56 <V453000> true :D 22:37:12 <Alberth> I like your unlimited cargo teleport idea :) I used a instant-win button, but your idea is much better 22:37:13 <andythenorth> the problem with newgrfs is....play testings 22:37:36 <V453000> :D 22:38:04 <V453000> I felt like instant win button wasnt descriptive enough :P 22:38:47 <Alberth> andythenorth: yeah, in particular when OpenTTD sabotages your nice RV feeder 22:39:23 <andythenorth> :P 22:40:50 <andythenorth> if no grf was ever played, there would be a lot more 1.0 versions :P 22:43:16 <Alberth> I started playing with the FIRS station rating, and I found it has a HUGE impact compared to OpenTTD rating, even if you have an engine constantly loading 22:44:00 <andythenorth> yes it does :) 22:44:00 <Alberth> you only need a few industries to push production into the thousands of goods 22:44:03 <andythenorth> yes 22:44:14 <andythenorth> it's probably too generous 22:44:18 <andythenorth> but I like it :) 22:47:18 <Alberth> I can't beat that argument :) 22:47:45 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 22:50:18 <andythenorth> I need a web translator app for FISH 22:50:25 <andythenorth> maintaining strings is boring 22:50:34 <andythenorth> Alberth: here's a case I don't see in the design (yet) :) 22:50:38 <andythenorth> I delete a string 22:50:46 <andythenorth> it needs removing from all lang files 22:50:53 <andythenorth> we could do that right? 22:51:04 <Alberth> it does already :) 22:51:52 <andythenorth> oh 22:51:54 <Alberth> just upload a new base language version 22:51:55 <andythenorth> I missed that :o 22:52:03 <andythenorth> awesome 22:52:11 <andythenorth> we should finish it :P 22:52:27 <andythenorth> I got distracted by boats 22:52:46 <Alberth> I got distracted by FreeRCT :) 22:53:58 <Alberth> did we decide something about managing access of translators to the files? 22:54:08 <andythenorth> no 22:54:55 <Alberth> I invented a project-owner that controls who can translate languages in his/her project 22:56:04 <Alberth> ie person X and Y may change strings in language ab_CD 22:56:11 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:56:18 <Alberth> in a projec 22:56:43 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 22:56:48 <andythenorth> makes sense 22:57:07 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:57:20 <andythenorth> so access control list 22:57:42 <Alberth> is that how it's called? :) 22:57:59 <Alberth> I also invented a syntax for configuring eints 22:58:02 <andythenorth> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_control_list 22:58:16 <andythenorth> the python frameworks have varying degrees of ACL 22:58:31 <andythenorth> from 'none' to 'every single object lookup has a permission check' 22:59:01 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:59:02 <Alberth> I just need to actually create a project owner field somewhere, and a list translators for a language in a projevt 22:59:11 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:02:31 <Alberth> should we add web pages to set these, or is some file sufficient (where the system administrator of the site can make changes) 23:02:41 <andythenorth> file for now 23:02:50 <Alberth> k 23:02:59 <andythenorth> file means SSH access to the place the thing is running 23:03:06 <andythenorth> delegate the security to that 23:03:22 <andythenorth> securing our own web-thing to add add project owners is more of a headache 23:03:53 * Alberth nods 23:06:04 <Alberth> good night 23:06:15 *** namad7 [aaaaa@pool-96-236-139-72.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 23:08:05 <andythenorth> bye Alberth 23:08:10 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 23:08:18 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 23:20:06 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1ACE9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 23:28:33 *** frogzilla [541fb1a7@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 23:30:28 <frogzilla> Hey guys. I'm trying to run a dedicated server on Ubuntu linux with openttd -D but I get an error: "could not bind on IPv4 port [xxx] (IPv4): Cannot assign requested address". Any ideas? 23:33:01 <MNIM> a quick google suggests checking your firewall, assuming if you haven't already done so 23:34:25 <frogzilla> Google is my friend but I have no experience with linux at all so I was hoping for a more tailored answer from the experts. 23:35:49 <frogzilla> I just shut down the entire firewall and I'm now trying again. 23:37:39 <frogzilla> No effect. 23:38:13 <michi_cc> First answer on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1306590 maybe? 23:40:23 <KenjiE20> if it can't bind a port, it tends to mean that the port is used, not that the firewall is blocking 23:42:18 <frogzilla> I tried different ports. It's a clean install so nothing else should be running. /etc/network/interfaces shows auto for eth0 and ifconfig shows it gets a local IP address from the router. The modem forwards all traffic to the local IP 192.168.178.32 (linux server). It works on Windows (running a server and 'advertising' it in the list). 23:42:19 <kero> use nestat -lapute to watch if the port is being used 23:42:39 <kero> what kind of ports did you try ? 23:44:12 <frogzilla> netstat -lapute shows only one port 7569 in use by dhclient3. 23:45:52 <frogzilla> I tried the default (4938) and one I found in an internet forum (3978) 23:46:07 <frogzilla> I also tried with no port parameter 23:46:35 <kero> did you try as root ? 23:46:46 <frogzilla> I am root, yes. 23:47:05 <KenjiE20> @ports 23:47:06 <DorpsGek> KenjiE20: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 23:47:25 <KenjiE20> where'd 4938 com from? 23:47:30 <KenjiE20> come* 23:48:32 <frogzilla> 4938 came from here: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=37879. I guess it's a random port he tried but I thought I might as well try it too. 23:49:15 <KenjiE20> fair enough 23:49:39 <KenjiE20> does dbg [net] show ant n) xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx lines for you? 23:49:40 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6AA68.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 23:52:47 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:53:00 <frogzilla> No command 'dbg' found, did you mean dbd, dig, kdbg, dlg or dfbg 23:54:40 <KenjiE20> in openttd's log 23:55:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@88.130.164.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:55:36 <frogzilla> Where can I find that? 23:56:06 <frogzilla> I'd expect to find it in /root/openttd, but there seems to be no log there 23:56:45 <KenjiE20> iirc it normally outputs to the console