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09:01:30  <andythenorth> docs with images http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/LATEST/docs/html/industries.html
09:01:32  <andythenorth> how rare
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09:11:19  <dihedral> good morning
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13:35:23  <Belugas> hello
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13:36:49  <__ln__> bon
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14:26:38  <V453000> @seen Pikka
14:26:38  <DorpsGek> V453000: Pikka was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 0 days, 5 hours, 43 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <Pikka> I do not want to watch a half-hour video for the one little piece of information I need and which probably isn't in there anyway
14:26:42  <V453000> @seen Pokka
14:26:42  <DorpsGek> V453000: Pokka was last seen in #openttd 2 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, 21 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <Pokka> that's torn it
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15:54:24  <alandarev> what trainset NewGRF I need for ECS vectors?
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16:11:22  <alandarev> can someone help me install CityBuilder GS? I can't get on how
16:11:30  <alandarev> I have put it into newgrf folder, but can't see in-game
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16:14:59  <V453000> I think NUTS should work for ECS perfectly but I never play with ECS myself
16:15:17  <V453000> regarding a game script, it is not a newGRF but a game script so it is under AI/Game Scripts menu
16:17:28  <alandarev> V453000: yah, but I can't find it there... I have put the tar file into Docs/OpenTTD/newgrx/ folder
16:17:44  <alandarev> should I put somewhere else? I also can't see it in Check Online Content feature, maybe it's not for 1.2.3?
16:17:58  <V453000> isnt there any script like that on the content download?
16:18:25  <V453000> idk where exactly they are but that locations sounds about right, I would expect data/GS or something like that though
16:19:57  <alandarev> should i ungzip it or .tar.gz is fine?
16:20:06  <V453000> unzip it I guess
16:20:58  <alandarev> I went into sourcecode: function GetAPIVersion(){ return "1.3"; }   I guess it means OpenTTD has to be 1.3?
16:25:09  <alandarev> which industry vector would you suggest using? FIRS, ECS, PBI?
16:26:02  <V453000> honestly, none
16:26:09  <V453000> or opengfx+ industries if you want the more variety
16:26:27  <V453000> point is, the original growth mechanism is by far superior and most fun
16:26:39  <V453000> FIRS isnt bad either though
16:26:40  <alandarev> hmm
16:26:43  <alandarev> i like variety
16:27:04  <V453000> PBI is nice in the aspect that it tries to add at least something extra, but has many stupid features which completely break it
16:28:07  <V453000> ECS is outright wtf, not commenting on that :d
16:29:25  <alandarev> yah ECS is oldy, not in dev. and I got shocked when entered a game with ECS and saw a factory producing Goods without requiring any resource...
16:30:53  <V453000> it has many weird things, for me the worse ones are things like winter/summer production for farms, and to make it nicer, the summer can mean like 7000 units of cargo per month in summer months
16:30:54  <V453000> ...
16:30:58  <V453000> 0 in winter ofc
16:31:47  <V453000> but, ECS is in development from time to time george releases some new version... it has been a while since I played it last so it is possible that he fixed some of the things, but since they seem to be conceptually intentional I doubt it
16:34:26  <alandarev> OpenGRX+ looks like best solution :)
16:36:36  <alandarev> V453000: ok, I know what GS I want to run and what newgrx, how do I now port those settings to my dedicated linux server?
16:37:03  <V453000> I think the best option is through savegame
16:37:19  <V453000> just start the game in singleplayer, save, upload that save to the server
16:37:25  <V453000> then load it on the server
16:37:32  <alandarev> V453000: will server download missing files?
16:37:46  <V453000> nope
16:37:57  <V453000> you need to put them there first
16:38:04  <V453000> otherwise the loading of map just fails
16:38:08  <alandarev> ok
16:38:52  <alandarev> but if I push the saved game to server, what hapeens to the 'first' company which was me on my localm achine?
16:39:09  <V453000> the game will load with that one company
16:39:38  <V453000> and if you load a game from server with X companies in SP, you automatically play as 1st company, and can access any other company through cheat menu
16:40:47  <alandarev> what is 'variety of distribution' setting in world generation menu?
16:41:17  <V453000> well, the idea was that it should distribute things equally over the map
16:41:23  <V453000> real result is that it makes the map stupidly flat
16:41:29  <alandarev> :D
16:41:34  <V453000> I never use variety distribution ever
16:41:49  <alandarev> good to know
16:42:28  <V453000> read this if you want to really know something about map generation http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2012/10/16/creating-maps/
16:42:49  <V453000> it isnt short, I know :)
16:43:01  <alandarev> V453000: nawh, what I wnat to know now is hosting a game :D as 2 friends are waiting to play a game, and I need to host it :D
16:43:11  <alandarev> I am trying to make us simple city-challenge map
16:43:24  <V453000> I didnt say you need to read it now :P
16:43:46  <V453000> honestly, just have fun without game scripts :P
16:44:40  <alandarev> OpenGRX+ Industries  adds kind of 1-2 things? Can't see a large difference if any
16:45:19  <V453000> gfx not grx
16:45:29  <V453000> you need to set parameter settings
16:45:43  <alandarev> ok I afraid I bugged my game, I got only OpenGFX+ things enabled, and in 1900 I can not build any train or bus, wtf?
16:46:16  <alandarev> ok, will read some readme's
16:46:34  <V453000> most sets do not have vehicles in 1900s
16:46:52  <V453000> 1920 at least, but usually more... opengfx+ is basically only original vehicles, so same dates as those
16:47:08  <V453000> meaning first train in 1926 in temperate, and 1945 in arctic/tropc
16:47:26  <V453000> I actually dont remember toyland
16:47:27  <V453000> :d
16:47:39  <alandarev> oh really? I though game was back into ~1800
16:48:01  <V453000> alright also 1946
16:48:06  <V453000> 1800? :d
16:48:21  <alandarev> I remember I had horses in my old tycoon games
16:48:23  <V453000> there might be newGRFs which do include that but I dont really know what would you do all that timee
16:48:36  <alandarev> :D kk
16:48:38  <V453000> most train sets start in 1920 and end in 2000s
16:49:17  <V453000> I start our server in 1920 99% of the time
16:49:32  <V453000> exception when there is some early newGRF like UKRS2 or NARS2, then I move it to 1900
16:49:36  <alandarev> V453000: I tried 1930 in Desert, no trains were
16:49:44  <V453000> yes as I said, 1945
16:49:47  <alandarev> rehosted in 1960
16:50:29  <alandarev> where can I find information in parameters for OpenGFX+ Industries?
16:50:45  <V453000> you mean parameter settings?
16:51:10  <alandarev> yes
16:51:10  <V453000> the newGRF window has buttons like readme, website, changelog, and parameter settings
16:51:26  <alandarev> ohhh it's changed
16:51:36  <alandarev> I remember years ago, it was a hardcore putting 0's and 1's
16:51:41  <alandarev> and god knows what they meant
16:52:19  <V453000> good times
16:52:29  <V453000> but yeah the UI is a bit more user friendly
16:52:58  <V453000> esp for newGRFs with more complicated settings which did not fit in newGRF description and had to be in the readmes
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17:02:37  <alandarev> (settings) what is subsidy multiplyer?
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17:03:33  <V453000> subsidies are offers for better profit
17:03:45  <V453000> if you connect X to Y you get better payment for the first year
17:03:50  <V453000> retarded thing
17:05:02  <alandarev> :D
17:05:06  <alandarev> yah
17:05:49  <V453000> if you imagined that all players on the server followed it, it would be ridiculous
17:06:06  <V453000> subsidy offered, everyone "OMG LETS BUILD THERE" and 15 companies trying to connect it asap
17:06:34  <V453000> obviously 2 is already enough for a nice rage conflict
17:06:46  <alandarev> lol
17:06:47  <V453000> even 1 is a problem because he will likely run into someone else on the way
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17:07:15  <alandarev> yah, yesterday I was on multiplayer server... there was a factory with lots of goods, 3 people using it, so I though i could plug myself in
17:07:27  <alandarev> when I started building a station, one guy built rails eveyrwhere around
17:07:43  <alandarev> dunno who was right in that situation
17:08:18  <Gl0we> hey does anyone know if you can change zbase's company colors to something less neon
17:08:54  <V453000> definitely not without changing openttd code or zbase itself Gl0we
17:09:01  <alandarev> V453000: ok, how do I load game on my server? files are there... ./openttd -D ..?
17:09:14  <V453000> sure just load it
17:09:18  <V453000> oh how
17:09:19  <V453000> rcon ls
17:09:20  <V453000> rcon cd
17:09:21  <V453000> rcon load
17:09:25  <V453000> 3 commands you need
17:09:27  <alandarev> rcon?
17:09:36  <V453000> in the game console
17:09:38  <alandarev> I got access to console
17:10:04  <alandarev> and how do I set the host name, password, amount of players, etc
17:10:16  <V453000> I have no idea what could be your even if default rcon password though
17:10:30  <V453000> also through the console I think
17:10:37  <V453000> it all has its commands
17:10:45  <alandarev> heh ok, sorry for bothering you much
17:10:47  <V453000> rcon <password> set -name of setting-
17:11:24  <V453000> it isnt that you are bothering me, it is that I dont know too much about these things myself, we have set up IRC bridge so I set all commands from the IRC comfortably
17:13:59  <alandarev> how do I change hostname?
17:15:57  <V453000> some setting :>
17:16:16  <alandarev> Unnamed Server :D
17:16:24  <V453000> perfect
17:16:39  <alandarev> found & connected
17:16:48  <alandarev> awesome
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17:32:16  <LordAro> evening all
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18:11:17  <alandarev> can I speedup multiplayer server?
18:12:08  <glx> no
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18:45:20  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25126 /trunk/src/lang (galician.txt welsh.txt) (2013-03-28 18:45:12 UTC)
18:45:21  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
18:45:22  <DorpsGek> galician - 274 changes by Michi
18:45:23  <DorpsGek> welsh - 30 changes by kazzie
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19:04:37  <alandarev> can I speedup multiplayer server?
19:08:20  <Belugas> [14:11] <alandarev> can I speedup multiplayer server?
19:08:20  <Belugas> [14:11] <+glx> no
19:09:08  <Belugas> no matter how often you ask, the answer will not change ;)
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19:14:21  <LordAro> unless you only ask once a year, but even then, it is still unlikely to change
19:15:04  <Belugas> quite  unlikely :)
19:15:20  <LordAro> actually, how difficult would it be to add a 'x2' gamespeed mode?
19:15:29  <Belugas> alandarev, does this answer your question?
19:20:39  <alandarev> Belugas: sorry, my internet crashed that time I asked
19:20:41  <alandarev> so I had to reask
19:21:37  <LordAro> wow, a(n apparently) legit excuse :P
19:21:54  <alandarev> LordAro: yay :)
19:22:06  <alandarev> I got another question, wht is a condition of bankrupt? negative money at 1st of Jan?
19:22:53  <LordAro> the wiki will tell you, but i believe it's if you're in the negative for 3 3-months
19:23:00  <LordAro> if that makes sense :P
19:23:44  <LordAro> e.g. negative at January, April & July you will go bust
19:23:46  <LordAro> i think
19:25:07  <alandarev> LordAro: so tht is a bit rough. If i go negative at 31st of Decembe,r next day i instant bankrupt?
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19:26:15  <LordAro> no
19:26:32  <Wolf01> hello
19:27:00  <LordAro> if you are negative at 1st January, 1st April and 1st July, _consecutively_, you will go bankrupt
19:27:24  <LordAro> unless, of course, you are in single player, in which case you will never go bankrupt
19:27:30  <LordAro> (i just remembered)
19:27:34  <alandarev> oh, thanks
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19:36:59  <Alberth> moin
19:44:31  <MinchinWeb> I thought they added a condition that you had to have your loan maxed out before you'd go bankrupt too
19:45:45  <Alberth> afaik in the sense that you cannot go beyond max loan negative, afaik
19:46:17  <Alberth> but I never tried it
19:49:12  <LordAro> MinchinWeb: that does sound familiar... :L
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19:58:49  <Alberth> MinchinWeb:  (svn r24617) -Change: Only bankrupt, if you have negative money considering you took max loan
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20:09:48  <MinchinWeb> Alberth: cool
20:09:59  <Alberth> is it?  ok :)
20:10:34  <Alberth> thank ZxBioHazard, he wrote it
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21:39:28  <alandarev> is it me or aircrafts are equivalent to cheats at their strength?
21:40:25  <Alberth> aircrafts are overpowered indeed
21:41:18  <Alberth> whether that is 'cheating' is a very different problem :)
21:41:45  <Alberth> ie if you play by yourself, you make the rules
21:42:15  <alandarev> yah
21:42:22  <alandarev> that's why i don't build them, it's just too easy
21:42:52  <Alberth> or if everybody does it in a MP game, there is no advantage either
21:43:09  <Alberth> building trains is just more fun imho :)
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21:43:54  <Alberth> you can change the costs with a basecost newgrf if you want
21:44:44  <alandarev> ah, i increased the airport station maintenance in opengrf+ aircrats
21:44:47  <Alberth> and the limited range of some sets makes that you cannot fly across the map any more
21:44:51  <alandarev> but it doesn't make much of a difference
21:47:48  <__ln__> alandarev: but the plural of aircraft is...
21:48:15  <__ln__> aircraft
21:48:28  <alandarev> __ln__: OH MY GOD! :)
21:50:34  <alandarev> I am very looking forward to set up nicely-working citybuilder server, but I fail at finding working scripts. For instance the "CityBuilder" available here: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=62868&start=0   I cant find it in-game searching in content manager. Moreover I even fail installing it manually (I seem to be putting to right directory) but in gamescripts list, it doesn't appear. Can someone advice me on what am I doing wrong?
21:51:15  <alandarev> the one I tried today: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=57963&p=1071672#p1071672 I made a post of it not working :(
21:55:52  <alandarev> can I have 1.3 and 1.2.3 installed in same time?
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21:59:12  <alandarev> "current base graphics is missing sprites" launched 1.3, but I got latest open graphics...?
22:01:41  <alandarev> (solved the graphics issue)
22:02:28  <Alberth> just install different openttd versions in different directories
22:03:05  <Alberth> the readme explains how the program looks for graphics and other data files, so you can set it up to share such stuff
22:03:13  <glx> don't "install" just unzip :)
22:03:31  <Alberth> good point glx :)
22:03:58  <alandarev> the issue  comes into different versions now using same configs/etc (documents/OpenTTD)
22:04:18  <glx> you can have a config per version
22:04:25  <Alberth> copy the config next to the binary
22:04:28  <glx> as explained in the readme
22:05:03  <alandarev> I am currently downloading latest zBase, it's in zip. do I need to unzip it and tar before using?
22:05:32  <Alberth> unzip yes, tar is optional
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22:21:33  <frosch123> night
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22:40:34  <Wolf01> 'night
22:40:48  <alandarev> is it me or I can't find difficulty button in 1.3 main menu
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23:00:32  <LordAro> alandarev: indeed. the difficulty settings have been merged into advanced settings
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23:16:48  <alandarev> LordAro: going through citybuilder readme: "set script settings to default in game difficulty"
23:20:50  <alandarev> This message has been submitted successfully, but it will need to be approved by a moderator before it is publicly viewable. You will be notified when your post has been approved.
23:20:54  <alandarev> That is mean :(
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23:57:43  <Randy> Hello, new player here. I am enjoying the game but I have a question about goods trucks and the sawmill if someone can help I'd appreciate it
23:58:29  <Randy> When I have my goods trucks pick up at the sawmill and deliver to a nearby town I see the truck unload but I don't see where I made any $$ should I?

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