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00:08:06 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:11:16 *** HellTiger [~HellTiger@43-54.61-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 00:13:54 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:14:07 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:24:24 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67585.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 00:35:41 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:41:03 *** Randy [62ebae7b@ircip1.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 01:04:34 *** Bonez305 [~kvirc@c-76-26-9-235.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:05:40 <Bonez305> where is the setting for mapsize on the config? 01:07:32 *** Dewin [~Daniel@c-76-28-131-143.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 01:09:43 <Bonez305> Found it map_x map_y :D 01:19:42 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 01:31:48 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:36:17 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-165-42-185.range86-165.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:36:22 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-015-138.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 02:18:52 <Bonez305> What year do transport vehicles start pumping out? 02:19:04 <Bonez305> I started a server at 1800 and there was nothing. Lol 02:25:07 <glx> 1920 for vanilla 02:32:37 <Bonez305> Thanks 02:34:34 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-96-236-139-72.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [] 02:36:43 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-96-236-139-72.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 02:44:29 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 02:51:25 *** namad8 [aaaaa@pool-96-236-139-72.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 02:57:04 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-96-236-139-72.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:06:07 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye !] 04:15:09 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:31:38 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-96-236-139-72.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 04:37:29 *** namad8 [aaaaa@pool-96-236-139-72.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:52:31 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 04:56:01 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-96-236-139-72.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:56:38 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-96-236-139-72.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 05:01:17 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:01:17 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:01:35 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 05:07:01 *** GauHelldragon [~GauHelldr@107-201-105-35.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net] has joined #openttd 05:07:15 <GauHelldragon> hi i have a question about the train list interface 05:07:27 <GauHelldragon> what does it mean if a train has a small yellow circle with a green plus sign next to it 05:19:45 *** Dewin [~Daniel@c-76-28-131-143.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:40:53 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:42:49 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:49:17 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 05:49:18 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67585.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 05:56:15 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67D36.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 06:00:00 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:00:02 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:01:44 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 06:01:47 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 06:06:58 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-46-213.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:11:06 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:16:50 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:23:15 *** molv_ [~molv@ip24-251-142-159.ph.ph.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:23:54 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:34:52 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 06:49:22 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:50:38 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 06:59:21 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:08:08 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:38:46 <Eddi|zuHause> GauHelldragon: it's a yellow coin, and it means the train made profit in the last 2 years 07:44:26 <GauHelldragon> thanks 07:51:15 <V453000> isnt it last 1 year? :d 07:51:56 <V453000> I thought it is one of the company performance things, train made + profit last year 07:52:31 <V453000> yellow is 0 - 10000 red is negative, green is 10000+ I think 07:52:52 <V453000> 10 000 being the amount set by the performance profit, scale with currency :) 07:56:53 <Eddi|zuHause> well, technically it is "the previous year" 07:56:53 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:57:22 <Eddi|zuHause> which may be almost a year ago if you are towards the end of the year, so 2 years in total 08:00:53 *** St3f [~Anonymous@53577204.cm-6-8b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 08:04:01 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:09:02 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:16:59 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 08:23:30 <V453000> well yeah but only the previous year counts 08:23:41 <V453000> for the icon indication 08:23:52 <V453000> not the currently running year 08:26:52 *** alandarev [~alandarev@5ac840b3.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 08:34:54 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d50-92-61-242.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 08:42:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19A45.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 08:55:20 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:56:57 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:59:00 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:59:04 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 09:02:01 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:03:57 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67D36.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [] 09:05:25 *** Nat_aS [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:26:04 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:39:02 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@149.254.183.47] has joined #openttd 09:39:06 <andythenorth_> Lo 09:41:47 <Alberth> hi 09:43:32 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@149.254.183.47] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:45:00 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@2002:4d66:7022:0:4de9:5fe8:462f:e8f7] has joined #openttd 09:47:04 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:54:46 *** andythenorth_ [~andytheno@2002:4d66:7022:0:4de9:5fe8:462f:e8f7] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:08:00 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 10:23:31 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 10:25:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 10:30:01 *** HellTiger [~HellTiger@43-54.61-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 10:32:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:33:20 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe1a0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:34:53 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@84.40.82.221] has joined #openttd 10:35:01 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:35:44 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 10:41:38 <alandarev> anyone experienced with CityBuilder GS? 10:46:41 <Alberth> I am not, but in general, it's more effective to ask your real question instead of meta questions 10:47:45 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:47:50 <alandarev> Alberth: yes, but considering the amount of questions I have and their specification regardless configuration of that exact script I would rather bother someone who knows the script I am talking about ;-) 10:48:57 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:49:10 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:49:26 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 10:49:27 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:52:22 <frosch123> @seen eddi 10:52:23 <DorpsGek> frosch123: I have not seen eddi. 10:52:25 <frosch123> @seen eddi* 10:52:25 <DorpsGek> frosch123: eddi* could be Eddi|zuHause (2 hours, 55 minutes, and 3 seconds ago), Eddi|zuHause2 (7 weeks, 4 days, 13 hours, 53 minutes, and 18 seconds ago), Eddi|zuHause4 (50 weeks, 2 days, 23 hours, 8 minutes, and 41 seconds ago), Eddi|nichZuHause (1 year, 4 weeks, 1 day, 12 hours, 16 minutes, and 21 seconds ago), Eddi|zuHause3 (1 year, 50 weeks, 6 days, 0 hours, 28 minutes, and 2 seconds ago), or (1 more message) 10:55:58 <Alberth> plenty of eddi s :) 10:57:13 <frosch123> as long as they are not replicating exponentially, it should be fine :) 11:00:21 *** Meechmunchie [~meechmunc@89.204.154.156] has joined #openttd 11:00:47 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: connection reset by myself] 11:02:21 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@84.40.82.221] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:04:01 <NGC3982> Morning. 11:04:29 <frosch123> afternoon 11:07:22 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:07:54 <alandarev> In setting Game SCript parameters I need to set: Cargo ID Representing Food/Water/Passangers/Mail where can I find that? :) 11:08:40 <frosch123> intro gui 11:08:43 <frosch123> script settings 11:08:51 <frosch123> settings 11:09:06 <NGC3982> I have not played in weeks. 11:09:07 <NGC3982> :( 11:09:17 <alandarev> frosch123: eh? 11:09:44 <alandarev> frosch123: I am in settings window, but I don't know what ID cargo food has 11:10:16 <frosch123> what silly script asks for a cargo id in the gui? :o 11:10:29 <frosch123> well, look at the industry set you are using then 11:10:38 <frosch123> if you are lucky it tells in its documentation 11:10:51 <alandarev> frosch123: default... It is CityBuilder GameScript 11:11:17 <frosch123> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/CargoDefaultProps <- for default industries, try the "slot" column 11:12:03 <alandarev> frosch123: thank you 11:12:36 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has joined #openttd 11:13:38 <frosch123> anyway, tell the author to use cargo labels to identify cargos 11:15:34 <alandarev> frosch123: I think that is made for compatibility with custom industry sets. so I can set "Town should require cargo ID 26 100 per 1000 pop" where 26 will bei mplemented by custom industry vector 11:15:46 <alandarev> frosch123: that is great, and he gave a warning in readme that configuration is complex :D 11:16:33 <frosch123> well, once we implement dynamic cargos, it will break :p 11:17:00 <alandarev> dynamic cargos? sounds interesting but no idea what stands behind it 11:18:20 <frosch123> currently you can only use a single industry set 11:18:30 <frosch123> multiple sets will conflict because they use the same fixed cargo ids 11:18:38 <alandarev> ah I see 11:18:42 <frosch123> to make multiple industry sets work, you have to remove the "fixedness" 11:19:04 <alandarev> sounds like a right direction :) But indeed will make a life for the script owner harder... 11:19:42 <alandarev> I'll copy last 6 messages to the script topic, ok? 11:19:56 <Alberth> no, it's easier, you get nice labels to identify a cargo instead of a magic number 11:20:18 <Alberth> alandarev: alternatively link to a log 11:21:44 <alandarev> "need to be approved by a moderator" mean people :( 11:21:51 <alandarev> where is freedom of speech! :D 11:24:23 <peter1139> so i was watching cpcgrey2's videos for a while, and then saw this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm1dD9h-ExA 11:25:37 <frosch123> hmm, watching people play ottd without hotkeys is annoying 11:25:41 <peter1139> aye 11:26:44 <frosch123> maybe he uses some 11:26:49 <frosch123> you do not see every click 11:28:37 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 11:30:17 <alandarev> does OpenGFX+ Industries introduce any new industry or is just improving existing ones? 11:31:01 <frosch123> it allows you to add industries from other climates 11:31:17 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-013-134.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 11:31:19 <frosch123> you can pick different chains from different climates, and recompose them 11:31:37 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-165-42-185.range86-165.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:31:57 <LordAro> moin 11:32:17 <alandarev> frosch123: and obvious question, what will happen if their ID's collide? 11:35:16 <frosch123> one wins 11:35:24 <frosch123> and you end up with steel mills producing pigs 11:35:36 <alandarev> :D 11:39:32 <LordAro> what was that bug, that was fixed a while ago, that could make planes look like houses? 11:39:44 <LordAro> i always thought that would be fun to play with :) 11:39:54 <frosch123> i do not remember such bug 11:40:29 <LordAro> i'll see if i can find it 11:40:50 <LordAro> iirc, the bug was fixed before anyone knew about it, but still :) 11:41:22 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@78-83-96-16.spectrumnet.bg] has joined #openttd 11:41:45 *** Tvel1 [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has joined #openttd 11:42:47 *** Tvel1 [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has quit [] 11:48:16 <alandarev> I can no longer find difficulty settings in 1.3 :( 11:48:56 <frosch123> the difficulty profiles were removed 11:49:04 <frosch123> the settings are in the normal adv. settings dialog now 11:50:23 <andythenorth> "we should choose not pointy them these buses" 11:50:36 <andythenorth> Foster MKII bus is too slopey :P 11:57:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:01:32 <alandarev> can I see cargo ID of a cargo in-game using some console commands? 12:04:43 <Alberth> maybe with the newgrf debugging gui, but no idea 12:04:47 <frosch123> you could write a gamescript to print it :p 12:04:58 <Alberth> :) 12:05:15 <Alberth> or patch the script to use labels :) 12:13:29 *** Tvel1 [~Thunderbi@78-83-96-16.spectrumnet.bg] has joined #openttd 12:13:56 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@78-83-96-16.spectrumnet.bg] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:14:32 *** Tvel1 [~Thunderbi@78-83-96-16.spectrumnet.bg] has quit [] 12:44:32 *** Meechmunchie [~meechmunc@89.204.154.156] has quit [Quit: Robots have shiny metal posteriors which should not be bitten.] 12:49:21 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 12:49:22 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:49:37 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 12:50:20 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@78-83-96-16.spectrumnet.bg] has joined #openttd 12:55:14 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@78-83-96-16.spectrumnet.bg] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:55:22 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@78-83-96-16.spectrumnet.bg] has joined #openttd 12:55:57 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@78-83-96-16.spectrumnet.bg] has quit [] 13:32:01 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:33:12 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:35:06 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:38:40 *** Flygon [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 13:45:59 <alandarev> Disasters? Cn anyone explain me what Disasters in OpenTTD are like :) 13:46:18 <LordAro> virtually non-existant :) 13:46:26 <LordAro> existent* 13:46:58 <HellTiger> maybe a plane crash? 13:47:12 <alandarev> HellTiger: it's a sepparate setting 13:47:21 <Alberth> http://wiki.openttd.org/Disaster 13:47:24 <HellTiger> ah 13:47:48 <Alberth> it's all at the wiki, except perhaps not entirely up-to-date :) 13:47:48 <alandarev> Alberth: ah that looks funny :D Maybe I should enable 13:48:10 <Alberth> most are nice, big ufo is a PITA 13:49:08 * LordAro has never seen the submarine or the small ufo 13:49:42 <Alberth> you didn't play enough with disasters enabled :p 13:50:31 <LordAro> i don't think i was aware you could turn them off, most of the time i played 13:51:27 <NGC3982> Excuse me, a submarine in OpenTTD? 13:51:47 <alandarev> It is disabled by default 13:53:05 <LordAro> alandarev: i have been playing (O)TTD(P) since 1999, and they weren't off by default back then ;) 13:53:37 <NGC3982> Seriosly, it exists? 13:53:38 <NGC3982> :D 13:53:45 <Alberth> yeah, it's enabled by default 13:54:05 <Alberth> NGC3982: you should also play more openttd :p 13:54:13 <alandarev> LordAro: but but.. I just installed OpenTTD and the disaster is disabled 13:54:15 <NGC3982> You guys never seem to suprise me. 13:54:43 <Alberth> it's inherited from the original 14:02:29 *** molv [~molv@ip24-251-142-159.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #openttd 14:15:48 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@wced-152-219-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 14:20:58 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Quit: *Throws a nuclear warhead in the room and flees*] 14:21:23 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 14:21:54 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 14:22:10 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 14:22:42 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 14:22:56 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 14:23:12 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [] 14:31:36 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 14:45:26 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 14:47:43 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 14:55:51 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@wced-152-219-32-147.feld.cvut.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:58:57 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@host-184-72.wifi.fsid.cvut.cz] has joined #openttd 15:00:16 <HellTiger> hm my first electric train has disapeared 15:00:24 <HellTiger> i have to fall back to steam diesel engines 15:00:25 <HellTiger> why? 15:02:55 <LordAro> what year is it? 15:03:43 <HellTiger> lobster: 15:03:52 <HellTiger> LordAro: 1974 15:09:49 <LordAro> bad nick autocompletion, you've woken the lobster now :P 15:10:12 <LordAro> HellTiger: you should have electric engines by that date 15:10:17 <LordAro> any grfs? 15:12:40 <HellTiger> default install lobster 15:12:46 *** alandarev [~alandarev@5ac840b3.bb.sky.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:12:48 <HellTiger> LordAro: i mean, sorry. 15:12:59 *** alandarev [~alandarev@188.64.171.179] has joined #openttd 15:13:01 <HellTiger> its also a default settings game 15:15:06 <LordAro> odd 15:15:29 <LordAro> keep playing, there might just be a 'gap' in availability 15:15:36 <LordAro> ask on the forums also 15:17:41 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:19:23 <Alberth> read the readme :) 15:22:36 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@host-184-72.wifi.fsid.cvut.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 15:22:50 *** alandare1 [~alandarev@5ac840b3.bb.sky.com] has joined #openttd 15:29:16 *** alandarev [~alandarev@188.64.171.179] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:45:57 <HellTiger> lol i even cant build electric railways any more :D 15:46:12 <HellTiger> 1975 15:47:51 <HellTiger> LordAro: do you think i should look for a bug? 15:48:05 <HellTiger> or just wait for reapiring of electric things 15:49:45 <NGC3982> Hey, where's Eddi. 15:50:05 <NGC3982> @seen eddi* 15:50:05 <DorpsGek> NGC3982: eddi* could be Eddi|zuHause (7 hours, 52 minutes, and 43 seconds ago), Eddi|zuHause2 (7 weeks, 4 days, 18 hours, 50 minutes, and 58 seconds ago), Eddi|zuHause4 (50 weeks, 3 days, 4 hours, 6 minutes, and 21 seconds ago), Eddi|nichZuHause (1 year, 4 weeks, 1 day, 17 hours, 14 minutes, and 1 second ago), Eddi|zuHause3 (1 year, 50 weeks, 6 days, 5 hours, 25 minutes, and 42 seconds ago), or (1 more message) 15:50:56 <Alberth> infra structure building is by default connected to presence of vehicles that use that type of infra structure 15:51:57 <Alberth> you can switch that connection off, but there is not much point in doing that, imho 15:52:10 <NGC3982> Sim City 3000 is unplayable 15:52:33 <NGC3982> Sim City 4 is fine, i completed >profit at first try. I have yet to run a Sim City 3000 game without bancrupcy. 15:52:36 <NGC3982> :( 15:53:50 *** XziDesk [~blood@24-212-246-68.cable.teksavvy.com] has joined #openttd 15:56:41 <LordAro> HellTiger: make a post on the forus with your savegame, see if people can help you there 15:57:18 <HellTiger> ok 16:08:13 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 16:09:36 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 16:17:55 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:41:14 <Bonez305> I have a server set up for 512x512 map, would it go over 1gb of RAM? 16:42:34 <LordAro> depends on how many vehicles there are 16:42:55 <Bonez305> How could one calculate RAM usage? 16:43:06 <Bonez305> As far as vehicles are concerned. 16:45:19 <LordAro> i'm no expert, but i suspect you can't, easily 16:45:55 <NGC3982> If i remember correctly, installing OpenTTD from the aptitude repositories is not recommended? 16:46:00 <LordAro> you could of course set up a test map for yourself, cheat yourself some money, and set up as many vehicles as you can 16:46:07 <NGC3982> (As far as dedicated server goes) 16:46:29 <LordAro> NGC3982: i wouldn't say not recommended, but it is liable to be out of date 16:46:30 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E72C.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 16:46:31 <Bonez305> NGC3982: well I installed from the actual deb file. 16:46:51 <LordAro> yes, you can get a .deb from openttd.org 16:46:51 <Bonez305> Bonez305: the apt rep. gave me a 1.0.4 install i believe 16:47:01 <NGC3982> Last time i tried it out, i made a complete mess of it ;). 16:47:04 <Bonez305> lol @ click myself. 16:47:08 <NGC3982> LordAro: I see. Thanks. 16:48:00 <Bonez305> I'm running 100mb of Ram without anything on the map right now 16:48:36 <NGC3982> Afaik, you can mave many - many vehicles before RAM becomes an issue. 16:48:53 <V453000> there should be a warning when generating more than 1000x1000 map 16:49:01 <V453000> like "be very surprised when your pc suffers" 16:49:28 <NGC3982> >1000^2 gives my computer a stroke. 16:52:47 <Alberth> it's too big to be useful any way 16:54:39 <NGC3982> In the Linux version of OpenTTD, where can i find the readme? 16:55:18 <NGC3982> Never mind, found it on the wiki. 16:55:27 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67D36.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 16:56:56 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19A45.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:59:08 <Bonez305> crap, so no trains till 1930? 16:59:12 <Bonez305> i messed up again 17:00:20 <LordAro> not by default 17:00:40 <LordAro> (don't blame the devs, blame mr sawyer) :P 17:01:21 <NGC3982> Hm, this did not work as planned. I downloaded v1.2.3 from the site (for Ubuntu 12.04) and also installed liblzo2-2. i followed the instructions in the readme telling me to put OpenGFX-0.4.6.tar.gz in ~/.openttd/baseset. 17:01:41 <NGC3982> Running a dedicated server still gives me the "You don't have the graphics baseset" error message. 17:01:59 <Alberth> .gz files are not readable by openttd 17:02:08 <NGC3982> "There's no need to unpack the tar, so just leave it as it is." 17:02:16 <NGC3982> That explains it, i did not recognice the .gz. 17:02:24 <Alberth> ie gzip -d OpenGFX-0.4.6.tar.gz 17:03:13 <NGC3982> And it works. Neato. 17:03:53 <NGC3982> Last (and my first) time i tried installing OpenTTD on a Linux system, i was this close *showing* to have peter1139 travel to Sweden, just to strangle me to death. 17:08:33 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:10:46 <LordAro> i still don't understand why a dedicated server requires a graphics baseset 17:11:33 <Alberth> for all vehicle properties other than pretty pictures 17:12:03 <Alberth> iirc there is also a version where all images have size (0,0) 17:13:01 <LordAro> surely those sort of properties shouldn't be included with the baseset? 17:13:13 <LordAro> or is it just legacy support? 17:21:45 *** Anpan [~kvirc@pD9E1D4B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 17:21:49 <Anpan> Hello 17:21:59 <Alberth> hmm, I am not even sure there are properties in the base set 17:22:08 <Alberth> hi Anpan 17:23:11 <Anpan> I have a small problem and I just can't find the solution in the wiki. I have a station with two coal mines in it's reach and at any given time there's a train loading in the station. However, it appears I cannot get the coal mines over ~72% transported 17:23:35 <Anpan> And I have no clue how to fix this 17:25:25 <Alberth> http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_mechanics#Station_rating explains how the rating is calculated 17:27:40 <Anpan> There isn't any cargo getting lost in the station (since a train always immediately picks it up). This is why I am so confused as to where the missing 30% of the coal mines go 17:28:20 <NGC3982> Hey, how is CityVille 2 for a game? 17:28:29 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:28:30 <Alberth> the coal mine arranged other forms of transport for the other 30% 17:28:51 <NGC3982> LordAro: I guess there are reasons for it, but i really don't understand why the Linux version comes without the OpenGFX/MSX/SFX files. 17:29:18 <Anpan> Alberth: But there aren't any other forms of transport near the coal mine. No streets, ships or planes nearby 17:29:32 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/c23P3wP.jpg 17:29:36 * NGC3982 likes. 17:29:53 <LordAro> NGC3982: iirc, there have been many discussions about that :) i think the conclusion that was reached was that not everyone wanted them, so they weren't 'enforced' 17:30:08 <LordAro> i believe those packages are 'recommended' though 17:30:24 <LordAro> but i think package managers generally hide those packages though 17:30:32 <NGC3982> I see. :) 17:30:40 <NGC3982> I guess it goes beyond my Unix knowledge. 17:31:28 <Alberth> NGC3982: the graphics are HUGE compared to the openttd binaries, so it would eat a lot of bandwidth 17:31:41 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:31:41 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:31:49 <Alberth> also the graphics are not updated that often, so you don't need a new version with every new Openttd 17:32:14 <Alberth> so to keep our server costs down, they are not included. 17:32:20 <NGC3982> That sounds very logical 17:32:41 <NGC3982> And i didn't really think about the fact that one would want to update every now and then. 17:32:55 <Alberth> ie openttd 5MB versus 230MB for zbase 17:33:25 <Alberth> ie for MP you usually need the latest stable, so 4-5 times a year easily 17:33:49 <NGC3982> That builds up to a fair lot of data. 17:34:05 *** Superuser [~superuser@host81-129-87-222.range81-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 17:36:12 *** chester_ [~chester@128-68-148-212.broadband.corbina.ru] has joined #openttd 17:36:36 <Anpan> So.. no one knows why my coal mines don't go over 70% transported, even though there is always a train in the station loading up any cargo the station gets? 17:37:13 <NGC3982> Loading up != Moving coal from the industry. 17:37:18 <Anpan> or is the station rating somehow the upper limit for the "transported" value of industry 17:37:21 <Alberth> Anpan: because your rating is 70% 17:37:32 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:37:39 <Alberth> improve it by doing what the program cares about 17:37:51 <Superuser> guys, some really bad strings in OTTD trunk 17:37:57 <Superuser> horrible grammatical and spelling errors 17:37:58 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:38:02 <Superuser> for the english version 17:38:35 <Superuser> I can make a patch file if you want and an issue, but something tells me it will lie around for weeks like the other one 17:40:31 <Alberth> add it to the other one :) 17:41:59 <Alberth> spelling errors should be quite trivial 17:42:27 <Superuser> yeah, I've moaned about it again and again and it still hasn't been accepted :( 17:42:35 <Superuser> heck I even made a patch file as someone requested but nothing :/ 17:42:48 <Superuser> I just hope this will get in on time for 1.3 17:42:49 <__ln__> Superuser: has it been 4 months yet? 17:42:50 <Alberth> but the other ones are more difficult. Given that we believed the original strings were good, you claim yours are better, but how do we verify that? 17:42:52 <Anpan> hmm it appears that the station rating really does limit the amount of cargo transported away from the mines. That doesn't make any sense to me, since cargo doesn't fall out of the train because of that but I guess I can't do anything about that 17:43:09 <Superuser> I ran them through with #openttd first 17:43:11 <Superuser> every single one 17:43:16 <Superuser> discussed them meticulously 17:43:21 <Alberth> Anpan: you don't get everything that the mine produces 17:43:30 <Superuser> and secondly, I know I am right because I am always righty 17:43:42 <Superuser> s/right/righty 17:43:54 <Anpan> Alberth: but they don't have any other means of transportation. Do they just flush it down the toilet? *confused* 17:44:10 <Alberth> Anpan: yes, whatever you want to believe, they do 17:45:10 <Alberth> Anpan: the program just shows your view on the world, rather than the complete view with vehicles you don't care about 17:45:21 *** |Jeroen| [~jeroen@d5153E72C.access.telenet.be] has quit [Quit: oO] 17:45:23 <Alberth> if that makes you more convinced :) 17:45:58 <Anpan> Alberth: hmm. Well, I guess I finally see a point in building statues, then xD 17:46:34 <Alberth> Anpan: or be happy with 70%, and spend your time and money on another mine :) 17:48:19 <Anpan> Alberth: I just want over 80% to get fastest possible growth :) Which I now achieved looking at how ratings are calculated. I like to pay attention to one or two stations first, get it running smoothly and then expand into other areas 17:48:38 <Superuser> aww shit Alberth, can you commit the other one first? I lost the files as it seems 17:48:51 <Superuser> and cba redownloading 17:49:00 <Superuser> and learning how to use diff again 17:53:52 <NGC3982> Can loans be disabled by config? 17:56:29 <Superuser> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5496?project=1&opened=2269 17:56:31 <Superuser> come onnn 17:56:36 <Superuser> I will love if you do this 17:56:39 <Superuser> meanwhile -afk 17:56:51 *** Anpan [~kvirc@pD9E1D4B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:58:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:58:17 <Bonez305> from the box how can i change the password to a company? 17:58:34 <Bonez305> bastard stole my company while i was AFK lol 18:01:02 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has joined #openttd 18:01:08 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:01:11 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:16:00 <LordAro> http://www.xkcd.com/1190/ is _still_ going! 18:16:44 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.106.160] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:27:59 <Superuser> please you guys 18:28:02 <Superuser> and yes I'm back 18:45:27 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25127 /trunk/src/lang (3 files) (2013-03-29 18:45:19 UTC) 18:45:28 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:29 <DorpsGek> galician - 294 changes by Michi 18:45:30 <DorpsGek> greek - 8 changes by Evropi 18:45:31 <DorpsGek> welsh - 65 changes by kazzie 18:45:45 <Superuser> hellooooooooooo? 18:58:47 <HellTiger> hm after there is no money problem 18:58:52 <HellTiger> will you come into any trouble? 18:58:59 <HellTiger> i am still not familar with the open end feeling 18:59:06 <Superuser> could do 18:59:10 <Superuser> industries might shut down 18:59:14 <HellTiger> ist just to connect all industry for e 18:59:14 <Superuser> if you don't fulfill supply chain 18:59:27 <HellTiger> hm 18:59:43 <Superuser> anyway if you're spinning millions of dollars anually, you won't have a problem 18:59:52 <Superuser> you will win, don't you worry :) 18:59:56 <HellTiger> so when you drop a map then 19:00:01 <HellTiger> ah wait 19:00:02 <Superuser> most people in multiplayers games are noobs anyway 19:00:05 <HellTiger> there was a winning condition 19:00:07 <Superuser> multiplayer* 19:00:13 <HellTiger> what is default unchanged thing? 19:00:16 <HellTiger> 2050? 19:00:18 <Superuser> yeah 19:00:19 <HellTiger> then get a score? 19:00:25 <Superuser> see the league table 19:00:29 <HellTiger> oah. 19:00:30 <Superuser> scores change throughout the game 19:00:39 <Superuser> it's worth looking at the detailed breakdown too 19:00:45 <Superuser> to see what actually makes people win 19:00:53 <Superuser> money is less relevant than you might tihnk 19:01:33 <HellTiger> ok 19:01:59 <HellTiger> Superuser: do you know how long a unpaused game will take time? 19:03:40 <HellTiger> and why should i increase map size 19:03:43 <HellTiger> as single player 19:07:19 <Bonez305> from 1950 to 2050 i believe its 22.5 hours 19:11:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6DF2C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:14:41 <Superuser> I dunno but I usually start at 1960 19:14:46 <Superuser> cos 1950s are boring 19:14:56 <Superuser> 1970 is a bit unfair though as planes are allowed 19:15:08 <Superuser> and as soon as one player gets planes the game is effectively decided in their favour 19:17:11 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Quit: reboot] 19:18:06 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6DE7B.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:18:15 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6DF2C.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:21:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6DF2C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:25:15 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 19:35:10 *** chester_ [~chester@128-68-148-212.broadband.corbina.ru] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:38:17 <Alberth> set max number of planes to 0 :) 19:39:09 <Alberth> I can see the use for uppercase 's' with the ships, have some trouble with the 'effect' removal, and a whole lot of trouble with 'schedule' 19:39:27 <frosch123> someone read an interlaced image with libpng before? :) 19:40:56 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: is printing "processing of interlaced png images not supporting" and aborting encoding an acceptable fix for 5276? 19:41:47 <Alberth> and the difference of n versus N also does not strike me as a good change, even if it may be correct 19:57:32 *** Dewin [~Daniel@c-76-28-131-143.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:03:35 <michi_cc> frosch123: http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/libpng-1.2.5-manual.html#section-3.8 tells you how to :) 20:03:46 <frosch123> yeah, read that :) 20:04:11 <frosch123> but i guess i have to do trial-and-error whether i have to call readrows for 8 rows even if the file has only 4 rows 20:04:41 <HellTiger> so anyone plays also simutrans beside? 20:06:17 <michi_cc> I understood that part that png_set_interlace_handling() tells you the number of passes. 20:06:34 <frosch123> yeah, but is passes = number of rows? :) 20:06:59 <frosch123> if i read a image not as a whole, can i only read multiples of passes rows? 20:07:54 <michi_cc> Isn't the row number just the image height? 20:08:21 <frosch123> i do not want to read all lines at once 20:09:07 <michi_cc> So the code is currently calling png_read_row(), right? 20:09:17 <frosch123> yes, which does not work for interlaced images 20:09:28 <frosch123> i have to use png_read_rows 20:09:48 <frosch123> currently i am going to try to read num_passes rows at once 20:10:12 <Superuser> anyone know how to batch resize images with imagemagic? Want to maintain ratio and shit though 20:10:26 <Superuser> like is it possible to put them in a folder and let it do its magic 20:11:02 <__ln__> *imagemagick 20:11:33 <Superuser> Yes, heil grammatik indeed 20:11:48 <michi_cc> Well, the txt manual has an example for manual deinterlacing: http://www.libpng.org/pub/png/libpng-manual.txt (search for "de-interlace the image") 20:11:48 <Superuser> any answers beyond just OCD about the question? 20:14:27 <__ln__> you can simply use a bash one-liner to make imagemagick to do whatever you want to all files. aspect ratio is maintained automatically. 20:21:42 <frosch123> michi_cc: that still does not tell me how to only read some rows 20:22:01 <frosch123> i suspect i can only read multiple of 8 rows at a time, by calling read_rows 7 times 20:22:14 <frosch123> i get the number 7 from png_set_interlace_handling 20:22:18 <frosch123> but where do i get the 8 from? :p 20:28:49 <michi_cc> Looking at the file format itself I think it is impossible to just read some rows from an interlaced png image. The 8 sub-images seem to be stored sequentially in the png file, starting with the smallest, and libpng (and probably the png format itself) only allow you to do sequential reading. 20:29:24 <frosch123> oh, good point 20:29:45 <frosch123> yeah, it only makes sense that way :s 20:30:40 <michi_cc> So no way to just jump to a row in each sub-image. The only thing you could do is using png_read_row combined with the described manual de-interlacing, which avoids having to allocate memory for the whole image (but you still need to process it). 20:31:08 <frosch123> well, then i have to scan the whole file for every row :p 20:31:28 <frosch123> so, yeah, for interlaced images you can only read the whole image at once 20:36:01 <Superuser> I just did them all manualle __ln__, but thatnks anyway 20:36:25 <Superuser> the up arrow is my hero 20:49:59 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:55:53 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:04:46 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:07:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6DF2C.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:36:22 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:54:38 *** sla_ro|master [sla_romas@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: connection reset by myself] 22:15:07 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:19:41 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19A45.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #openttd 22:24:44 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 22:36:53 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6DF2C.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 22:39:01 <Eddi|zuHause> thanks, frosch123, now at least i know what the difference between the images is :) 22:40:12 <Eddi|zuHause> a bugfix release would be useful now, to have it eventually ripple down to places where it's used 22:42:24 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, the changelog on http://www.openttd.org/en/download-grfcodec isn't very... meaningful 22:55:25 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d50-92-61-242.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 23:22:48 *** alandare1 [~alandarev@5ac840b3.bb.sky.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:30:07 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:30:18 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 23:35:39 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fe1a0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:44:51 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:47:52 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931]] 23:48:31 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit []