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Although, i have a new problem. 08:12:42 <NGC3982> I wish to play the game as a dedicated server, with other listening ports, server names and settings. 08:13:03 <planetmaker> then... configure it appropriately. The cfg is your friend 08:13:03 <NGC3982> How do i configure that in my save game? :) 08:13:16 <planetmaker> setting names... are self-explanatory 08:13:32 <planetmaker> of course you don't configure your server by means of a savegame... 08:13:58 <NGC3982> Server name* 08:14:03 <NGC3982> So, how do i set a listening port in my savegame? 08:14:14 <NGC3982> I made it in windows, saved it and moved the file to the server. 08:14:41 <planetmaker> of course you don't configure your server by means of a savegame... 08:14:58 <NGC3982> Of course!? 08:15:01 <NGC3982> For god sake. 08:15:10 * NGC3982 removes and tries to write a new config. 08:15:11 <tycoondemon> voor gods zaken 08:15:27 *** HellTiger [~HellTiger@43-54.61-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 08:15:50 <planetmaker> ssh to server. stop openttd. Edit cfg. restart server. load savegame 08:16:07 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 08:17:35 <NGC3982> I only moved the savegame file to the server. The original openttd.cfg does not change when i start or stop the savegame file. 08:17:47 <NGC3982> What cfg are you refering to? 08:18:01 <planetmaker> openttd.cfg on the server 08:20:17 <NGC3982> That worked. Though, what do i do when i wish to start simultanious servers with the same base config? 08:20:33 <NGC3982> I guess i can change the config again, as long as the first game is still running? 08:35:13 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:37:03 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has joined #openttd 08:46:41 *** onix [d4af59a2@ircip4.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 08:46:47 *** onix [d4af59a2@ircip4.mibbit.com] has quit [autokilled: spambot. Dont mail support@oftc.net with questions. (2013-04-26 08:46:45)] 08:48:21 <planetmaker> it will become overwritten once you exit openttd 08:49:07 <planetmaker> and you can't run several servers with the same config file anyway... it will conflict with name and ports 08:52:43 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 09:09:55 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:13:32 <NGC3982> I see. I guess im better off creating individual config files instead. 09:13:51 <__ln___> you mean: I'm 09:13:56 <NGC3982> Yes, i did. 09:14:01 <NGC3982> Hi, btw. 09:14:08 <__ln___> hi 09:15:39 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host81-155-52-134.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:16:32 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 09:30:03 <V453000> #openttdcoop devzone - boldly coding what others only dare to dream .... I wonder if I should put in my signature #gettingConfusedAboutEverything I code 09:31:23 <peter1139> So __ln___ has an extra _, and I have an addition. What is the world coming to? 09:33:34 <V453000> :d 09:34:50 <Sacro> peter1139: peak entropy? 09:35:02 * peter1139 peeks at Sacro's peaks 09:53:09 <Sacro> :( 10:13:55 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has joined #openttd 10:13:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A4F9.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:17:22 <NGC3982> So yeah, using individual configs > everything else. 10:19:51 <peter1139> using the automatic config generator to start servers from a web interface > that 10:20:02 <peter1139> problem: you might have to write it first 10:27:47 <NGC3982> Well, writing a config is not that much work. I copy the last used one, and change some parameters. The only part of it that's actually work might be the NewGRF's. 10:29:46 <V453000> you load newGRFs in the savegame 10:29:58 <V453000> cfg is just for server-side settings like max companies, autoclean, etc 10:31:25 <NGC3982> But, if i use a savegame, i also have to use the default cfg file on the server, as i discussed with PM above? 10:31:45 <NGC3982> And that seems to be a problem when using multiple instances of openttd running dedicated. 10:32:57 <NGC3982> I use a different listening port for each server game, for instance. 10:33:42 <peter1139> eh? 10:33:54 <peter1139> you can specify the config and a savegame... 10:34:01 <NGC3982> Oh? 10:34:08 <NGC3982> Oh. 10:34:15 <V453000> server config stays as is 10:34:22 <NGC3982> You mean; I can use the -c and -g together? 10:34:28 <peter1139> yes 10:34:28 <V453000> game settings get overridden by savegame 10:34:33 <NGC3982> Oooh. 10:34:38 <NGC3982> That changes everything. 10:34:43 <peter1139> o_O 10:35:00 <peter1139> it changes nothing but your misunderstanding :p 10:35:03 <NGC3982> Hehe 10:35:12 <NGC3982> Thanks. 10:36:06 <V453000> :D 10:36:09 <V453000> well put 10:37:22 *** sla_ro|master [~slamaster@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: connection reset by myself] 10:41:39 * peter1139 grumbles at samba's handling of filenames with characters that windows can't handle 10:42:12 <TinoDidriksen> Pretty sure you can configure that. 10:45:45 <peter1139> only on or off 10:45:52 <peter1139> off leaves the filename unusable 10:46:18 <peter1139> on leaves it without an extension (in the case of .flac) so it's... unusable for stupid programs that only look at the extension, which is rather common in windows-land 11:07:30 <peter1139> hmm, and some files aren't mangled but still can't be opened 11:12:49 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:16:14 *** goodger [~ben@host86-145-89-90.range86-145.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:29:28 *** Biolunar_ [mahdi@blfd-4d083c0b.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:34:46 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@90.193.88.212] has joined #openttd 11:36:04 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-5d822643.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:50:14 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 11:51:09 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:37:09 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has quit [Quit: Tvel] 12:37:12 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has joined #openttd 12:43:42 *** NewTT-Fan [50e2180c@ircip2.mibbit.com] has joined #openttd 12:44:44 <NewTT-Fan> Whenever I start a game, the industry includes their locations faster than I have earned enough money to service these sites! how can I prevent it? 12:47:20 <planetmaker> That depends. On whether you mean 'close' instead of 'include'. And what NewGRFs you use (if any) 12:48:47 <planetmaker> If you use no NewGRFs, then industries don't close, if you provide decent service. The exception are oil wells which will close eventually 12:49:03 <planetmaker> If you use FIRS, industries don't close either, if supplied properly 12:49:41 <planetmaker> With ECS it depends on the parameters. you can configure it prior to map generation such that industries won't close either afaik. Check out that NewGRF's parameters 12:50:36 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.16.71.154] has joined #openttd 12:50:41 <planetmaker> if you mean unserviced industries: more difficult. Try to use the "manual industries" NewGRF for a new game 12:58:06 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has quit [Quit: Tvel] 12:58:10 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has joined #openttd 13:25:21 <NewTT-Fan> thanks planetmaker 13:28:03 <Belugas> hello 13:33:03 *** NewTT-Fan [50e2180c@ircip2.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client] 13:39:36 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 13:41:27 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:45:48 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 13:56:12 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.110.110] has joined #openttd 14:00:41 <Ristovski> *yawn* 14:00:44 <Ristovski> Hello everyone 14:03:20 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: Not that there is anything wrong with that] 14:12:07 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.16.71.154] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4C95.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 14:36:34 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.110.110] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:36:49 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.110.110] has joined #openttd 14:55:09 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:24:09 *** DarkAce-Z is now known as DarkAceZ 15:29:07 <Terkhen> hello 15:32:43 *** Polleke [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:33:08 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A2E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:41:43 <planetmaker> moin 15:44:51 *** sla_ro|master [~slamaster@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 15:54:32 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 15:56:31 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:59:34 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:03:14 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590d5ce6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:05:38 *** RavingManiac [~RavingMan@182.55.110.110] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:11:23 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:12:22 *** Biolunar_ [mahdi@blfd-4d083c0b.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: My life for Aiur] 16:19:38 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-70-162.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 16:20:57 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 16:22:50 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 16:33:51 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 16:37:43 *** sla_ro|master [~slamaster@89.137.75.224] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:39:13 *** sla_ro|master [~slamaster@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 16:51:51 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 16:51:54 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:52:15 <Alberth> evenink 16:52:54 <planetmaker> hello Alberth 16:56:43 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:56:46 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:59:42 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 17:29:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 17:33:37 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@95.233.3.31] has joined #openttd 17:33:41 <Wolf01> o/ 17:33:57 <Alberth> \o 17:34:49 <andythenorth> bonsoir 17:36:29 *** sla_ro|master [~slamaster@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: connection reset by myself] 17:41:22 *** sla_ro|master [~slamaster@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 17:42:04 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:42:29 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 17:45:38 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25207 /trunk/src/lang (5 files) (2013-04-26 17:45:28 UTC) 17:45:39 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:40 <DorpsGek> english_AU - 8 changes by mrtux 17:45:41 <DorpsGek> galician - 300 changes by Michi 17:45:42 <DorpsGek> korean - 9 changes by telk5093 17:45:43 <DorpsGek> gaelic - 49 changes by GunChleoc 17:45:44 <DorpsGek> welsh - 3 changes by kazzie 17:46:15 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25208 /trunk/bin/baseset (8 files) (2013-04-26 17:46:09 UTC) 17:46:16 <DorpsGek> -Update: Baseset translations 17:46:45 <andythenorth> translated ottd is not dying 17:47:47 <Wolf01> gah, I tried to save this window due to the "*" in the title (on my IDE it is on the tab label to show which ones to save) 17:49:23 * Wolf01 is going to eat 17:50:26 <Alberth> :) 17:50:41 <Alberth> hmm, 6 desktops and still no room to open a new window :p 17:51:29 <frosch123> you do not turn off your computer over night? 17:52:53 <Alberth> yep, it's switched on for an hour now 17:58:34 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has quit [Quit: Tvel] 17:58:38 <frosch123> what? :p 17:58:38 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has joined #openttd 17:59:47 <frosch123> andythenorth: the number of missing translation is lower than the revision since a few days ago 17:59:57 <frosch123> that did not happen in years 17:59:57 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest3515 17:59:58 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 18:00:18 <frosch123> andythenorth: the number of missing translation is lower than the revision since a few days ago 18:00:19 <frosch123> that did not happen in years 18:00:32 <planetmaker> wow :-) That's good. Especially as we have more languages :-) 18:01:07 <andythenorth> are bananas downloads more or less than usual? 18:01:12 <andythenorth> seems quite high on my grfs 18:01:25 <andythenorth> also judging by newbies in forum, seems to be lots of players 18:01:31 <frosch123> planetmaker: i still did not look it up, but i think around r23000 we wondered who would reach 25000 first 18:01:39 <andythenorth> so even if trunk dev and newgrf is kind of dead, there are happy players 18:01:46 <planetmaker> we wondered somewhen, yes :-) 18:04:26 *** zeknurn` [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 18:04:39 *** Cybert1nus [~Cybertinu@2001:828:405:30:83:96:177:42] has joined #openttd 18:04:57 *** Guest3515 [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:05:45 *** Vadtec_ [~Vadtec@2001:470:1f06:13e0::1337] has joined #openttd 18:05:46 *** TrueBrain_ [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 18:05:51 *** ccfreak2k_ [~ccfreak2k@haqua.4chan.fm] has joined #openttd 18:06:34 *** ntx [~ntx@dsl-hkibrasgw3-58c027-185.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:06:43 *** tparker_ [~tparker@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:42ad] has joined #openttd 18:06:58 *** Fuco_ [dota.keys@server.dasnet.cz] has joined #openttd 18:07:15 *** jonty-co1p [~jonty@borealis.jontysewell.net] has joined #openttd 18:07:57 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 18:08:03 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> charm.oftc.net quits: DarkAceZ, jonty-comp, Fuco, Vadtec, valhallasw, TrueBrain, zeknurn, dihedral, tparker, goodger, (+4 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 18:08:03 *** Vadtec_ is now known as Vadtec 18:08:04 *** zeknurn` is now known as zeknurn 18:08:04 *** ccfreak2k_ is now known as ccfreak2k 18:08:12 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-70-162.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:08:28 *** tparker_ is now known as tparker 18:09:06 *** Netsplit over, joins: DarkAceZ 18:09:56 *** Netsplit over, joins: goodger 18:12:03 *** Ttech [~ttech@00014919.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:15:24 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-70-162.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 18:19:32 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.noaddedsugar.net] has joined #openttd 18:20:06 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 18:22:12 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:34:13 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-70-162.bchsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:39:21 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r25209 /trunk (config.lib readme.txt) (2013-04-26 18:39:15 UTC) 18:39:22 <DorpsGek> -Doc: Mention --without-grfcodec in the help for configure and explain its use in the readme 18:44:14 *** Polleke [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:05:15 *** Colombo [~chatzilla@ip-78-102-109-53.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 19:05:22 <Colombo> Hi all, I have small question. 19:05:33 <Supercheese> ask away 19:05:44 <Colombo> As a lot of grfs have setting, it is possible to change these settings on server? And if so, how? 19:05:50 <Colombo> from console 19:06:07 <Supercheese> well, you can do it by editing a configuration file on the server 19:06:10 <Colombo> All I can get is list of standard-game setting without the new variables added by grf 19:06:12 <Supercheese> I'm not sure about console sommands 19:06:15 <Supercheese> commands* 19:06:25 <frosch123> nope, not via console commands 19:06:37 <Supercheese> wiki is broken 19:06:39 <Supercheese> :S 19:06:40 <frosch123> easiest method is to upload a prepared savegame with all newgrf applied 19:06:41 <Colombo> As I am not running the server, just... friend have started it for me and gave me the password and rights to manage it. 19:06:59 <frosch123> alternatively you can enter the parameters in openttd.cfg 19:07:09 <Supercheese> http://wiki.openttd.org/Openttd.cfg returns blank 19:07:19 <frosch123> Supercheese: half of the pages return blank currently 19:07:31 <Supercheese> Hmm 19:07:32 <Colombo> I don't have direct acces to server, just as client in game with password. 19:07:46 <Colombo> And I want to change terraforming... 19:07:47 <Supercheese> Colombo: can you load savegames on the server? 19:08:00 <Colombo> don't know 19:08:13 <Supercheese> should be a console command for that eh 19:08:18 <frosch123> well, you need to be able to transfer them to the server 19:08:22 <Colombo> I want to make terraforming harder. Now one can inexpensively lower land and make canals... bleh 19:08:28 <frosch123> rcon is not enough for transfering files 19:08:30 <Supercheese> ah, well, uploaded ones anyway 19:09:52 <Colombo> And in standard setting, is there anything that would make terraforming more expensive/harder/impossible? 19:10:50 <frosch123> you can reduce terraform_per_64k_frames and terraform_frame_burst 19:11:01 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:13:07 *** Test [~5ed5a444@webuser.thegrebs.com] has joined #openttd 19:13:16 *** Test [~5ed5a444@webuser.thegrebs.com] has quit [] 19:14:13 <frosch123> if you set terraform_frame_burst to something like 10, people can only terraform 2 tiles or so at once 19:15:37 <frosch123> if you set terraform_per_64k_frames to 19660 it will allow terraforming of one corner per second on average 19:16:38 <frosch123> there are similiar settings wrt. clearing land and planting trees 19:16:47 <Wolf01> I once used Cortona VRML Client to view a screenshot from homeworld 2, but I wonder if there is a software which could make 3D screenshots of any game (ok, maybe not OTTD :P) 19:17:10 <frosch123> Wolf01: i think you missed a forum topic 19:17:43 <frosch123> Wolf01: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=64804 19:17:55 <Wolf01> lol 19:18:30 <Colombo> this seems only to slow it, but don't make it any harder 19:18:41 <Colombo> Can I somehow edit files from openTTD console? 19:18:46 <frosch123> nope :p 19:18:52 <Colombo> :/ 19:19:14 <planetmaker> openttd is a game. Not a file editor :-) 19:19:16 <Colombo> This could solve a lot problems. 19:19:25 <Colombo> I know, but if one can't edit the setting... 19:19:34 <Wolf01> could I write my essay with the signs and then export it? 19:19:35 <planetmaker> newgrfs can't be changed after map creation 19:19:38 <frosch123> also, usually you do not make things harder in ottd by making them more expensive 19:19:57 <planetmaker> neither single nor multi player 19:20:14 <Supercheese> shouldn't be changed* ;) 19:20:19 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4C95.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:20:29 <planetmaker> can't 19:20:35 <Supercheese> mustn't 19:20:42 <planetmaker> Unless of course you claim that you're a developer. And thus know what you do ;-) 19:20:56 <Supercheese> or you actually do develop newgrfs :P 19:21:18 <planetmaker> for that you actually do not even need it 19:21:19 <Eddi|zuHause> developing newgrfs is overrated :p 19:21:25 <Colombo> planetmaker: I don't care if it wouldn't work in current game, I could restart it. 19:21:26 <V453000> . :) 19:21:33 <Supercheese> true enough, you don't really need it 19:21:51 <planetmaker> just reload_newgrfs suffices 19:21:54 <andythenorth> hmm 19:21:55 <andythenorth> people 19:21:56 <andythenorth> here 19:21:58 <andythenorth> talking 19:22:00 <andythenorth> about the game 19:22:01 <Supercheese> or typing 19:22:01 <planetmaker> though... might only be available as developer :-) 19:22:04 <andythenorth> how weird 19:22:10 <planetmaker> o/ andythenorth 19:22:17 <Colombo> planetmaker: How this could help? 19:22:18 <frosch123> andythenorth: we are turning ottd into a text edtior :) 19:22:29 <V453000> andythenorth: dying 19:22:30 <Supercheese> text editor with no copy/paste, ouch 19:22:41 <planetmaker> Colombo, reload_newgrfs doesn't help you, I'm afraid 19:22:41 <frosch123> to give people shell access via rcon when they do not have ssh access 19:22:42 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't need an editor for developing newgrf either, just "copy con: file" suffices 19:22:57 <Eddi|zuHause> but it might come in handy at times :p 19:22:58 <planetmaker> you'll either need ssh - to edit openttd.cfg. Or you need means to upload a savegame. 19:23:03 <planetmaker> which you then can load via rcon 19:23:17 <Colombo> I don'T have both:( 19:23:24 <Colombo> eh, niether 19:23:25 <planetmaker> you have rcon :-) 19:23:37 <Colombo> yeah, but no mean uploading savegame 19:24:23 <planetmaker> that's a problem indeed. Allowing mods to upload savegames is sth admins should make feasible 19:24:28 * andythenorth would be happier with wider rivers 19:24:35 <andythenorth> hmm 19:24:44 <andythenorth> can I have a text-based, in-game tile editor? 19:24:50 <andythenorth> 1,0: river 19:24:53 <andythenorth> 1,1: river 19:25:00 <andythenorth> 1,2: railtype 1 NS 19:25:10 <Eddi|zuHause> well, all this needs is a way to reverse the savegame transfer, so people with the rcon password can load local savegames into the server 19:25:12 <andythenorth> 1,3 industry tile 0A 19:25:29 <andythenorth> 1,0: height 4 19:25:34 <andythenorth> that would be awesome 19:25:37 *** Pensacola [~quassel@phys9212.phys.tue.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:25:44 <andythenorth> 3, 7: kittens 19:25:52 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: just make a "landscape generator" script :p 19:26:16 <planetmaker> rcon upload ? 19:26:22 <planetmaker> hm... 19:26:57 <frosch123> forcing a savegame on a server is stronger than editing the cfg 19:27:03 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, I like the idea, though 19:27:04 <frosch123> wrt. security and such 19:27:21 <planetmaker> frosch123, giving rcon and allowing savegame upload is not that much different 19:27:22 <Colombo> I am happy to hear that my problem will stimulate game changes:D 19:27:22 *** TrueBrain_ is now known as TrueBrain 19:27:43 <frosch123> planetmaker: yeah, ok, you can ruin the game anyway 19:28:07 <planetmaker> you should trust whom you give rcon at least that much :-) 19:28:32 <Wolf01> frosch123, that rendering made me thinking about the games on '80 '90 years, where they put fantastic graphics on the boxes, astonishing intros... and then a flat, 2D, 4 colours game 19:28:40 <frosch123> well, but currently you cannot force the server to download 50GiB from your client, until its quota is exceeded :p 19:28:54 <planetmaker> :-) true 19:29:04 <planetmaker> rcon upload /dev/null.sav 19:30:08 <frosch123> at least using the client will be more save than transfering a url to the server and making it wget it :) 19:30:52 <planetmaker> also easier for most people. Not everyone has access to easy web space 19:31:07 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe there could be a limit to savegame transfer size or something 19:31:28 <Eddi|zuHause> possibly both ways 19:31:57 <frosch123> well, a configurable limit is not that useful, when you can already edit the config :p 19:32:24 <frosch123> but yeah, we can limit it at 100MiB :) 19:32:25 <planetmaker> you can't edit everything, or? Port, name,... don't work. Though I honestly never tried 19:32:35 *** Colombo [~chatzilla@ip-78-102-109-53.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 19:32:59 <frosch123> planetmaker: yeah, only settings 19:33:13 <frosch123> not other ini stuff, like newgrf, ai, ... 19:34:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6DC8F.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:35:02 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:35:44 <planetmaker> the file size limit would belong in the same section as server port 19:36:20 <frosch123> @seen dihedral 19:36:20 <DorpsGek> frosch123: dihedral was last seen in #openttd 3 days, 12 hours, 13 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <dihedral> greetings 19:36:27 <frosch123> oh, only 3 days ago 19:36:40 <planetmaker> :-) 19:37:10 <frosch123> planetmaker: do you know whether autopilot or coop ever used the reload_cfg setting 19:37:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A4F9.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:37:59 <planetmaker> uhm... I *think* they don't 19:38:16 <planetmaker> though autopilot afaik has a special command to faciliate that 19:38:25 <frosch123> dihedral added it in 2008 :) 19:38:36 <planetmaker> :-) 19:38:46 <frosch123> but it also causes to reload the worldgen seed from config 19:39:03 <frosch123> so "newgame" does the same as "restart" unless you edit the seed in the cfg :) 19:39:07 <planetmaker> actually: yes, coop used it as long as we had a web config 19:39:17 <planetmaker> thus pre-new-settings file 19:40:18 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has quit [Quit: Tvel] 19:40:40 <planetmaker> prior to that nearly every game was web-configured, including newgrfs. And then config was reloaded and new game generated from the new config 19:41:10 <planetmaker> but... that's at least 3(?) years ago now :D 19:41:27 <frosch123> yeah, i just wonder whether the seed was saved differently back then 19:41:48 <frosch123> it really makes no sense to load the same seed from the config before starting a game 19:42:35 <Eddi|zuHause> just keep the seed empty by default? 19:42:58 <planetmaker> and when not? And how long keep it then? 19:43:09 <frosch123> well, i could also preserve the seed when loading the config due to reload_cfg 19:43:27 <frosch123> i just wondered about the intention of reload_cfg 19:43:33 <frosch123> and now pm said it was for webconfig :) 19:43:54 <frosch123> and i suspect the webconfig did not offer the seed :p 19:44:04 <frosch123> (or someone was really bored) 19:44:11 <planetmaker> I don't recall. It actually might have offered it 19:45:07 <planetmaker> I only recall the sense that it allowed basically configuration of everything 19:45:18 <planetmaker> but... that was a time when I didn't know as much about openttd config :D 19:45:36 <frosch123> are there still ad screenshots somewhere? :p 19:45:39 <planetmaker> and I don't even know whether the broken web config exists even anymore... 19:45:51 <planetmaker> not that I know. But doesn't mean 'no' 19:45:52 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: but then you can't set a new random seed through the config when relying on reload_cfg 19:46:07 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: and who would actually want to do that? 19:46:37 <frosch123> alternatively one could also remove the seed from the cfg :p 19:46:46 <frosch123> why should it be saved in the first place? 19:46:54 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: who would care about whether the seed is kept throughout restarting the game? 19:46:55 <planetmaker> determinism 19:47:17 <Alberth> some MP players? :) 19:47:26 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: giving a specific seed may be useful in some cases 19:48:17 <Eddi|zuHause> which brings me back to my original suggestion: the seed should be empty for everybody who doesn't care, and one can put a seed in there if one wants to manually override it 19:49:51 <planetmaker> hm, YAPP is also 5 years old already :-) 19:50:12 <Alberth> but the non-caring people don't care whether the value of the seed is empty 19:50:47 <frosch123> planetmaker: the r20k party is almost 3 years old :p 19:51:11 *** jonty-co1p is now known as jonty-comp 19:51:17 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: i believe you can also pass a seed to "newgame" 19:51:22 <planetmaker> true :-) 19:52:14 <planetmaker> he... rivers since 2008 as well. Just not generated 19:52:26 <frosch123> planetmaker: everything was in 2007/2008 19:52:40 <planetmaker> yeah. seems like :D 19:53:09 <frosch123> i joined on the high point, after me everything degraded :p 19:53:12 *** parkette [~pjm@apn-46-169-181-84.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl] has joined #openttd 19:53:21 <planetmaker> :-P So... your fault or mine? :D 19:53:36 <andythenorth> I blame TrueBrain and peter1139 19:53:58 <andythenorth> and also all the idiots who ask for features :P 19:54:15 <andythenorth> specially newgrf devs, they are the worst 19:54:24 <planetmaker> http://blog.openttdcoop.org/files/blog/2007/09/config_tool.png @ frosch123 19:54:27 <Eddi|zuHause> openttd is dying!! 19:54:39 <andythenorth> I think development actually is 19:54:48 <andythenorth> but users look happy 19:54:57 <andythenorth> dying / done /s 19:54:58 <andythenorth> ? 19:55:06 <frosch123> planetmaker: map size in "patch settings"? :p 19:55:30 * andythenorth isn't trolling, maybe ottd is actually finished? 19:55:42 <frosch123> the grouping looks completely arbitrary :p 19:55:52 <planetmaker> yeah... that changed quite a bit 19:56:03 <planetmaker> oh, that was still on brianetta's server! 19:56:07 <planetmaker> ppcis.org 19:56:21 <planetmaker> that's where I played my first online game on :-) 19:57:29 <frosch123> hehe, i never played online. then i took the opportunity to join rb's 0.3.5 troll server 19:57:39 <frosch123> now i can claim i played my first online game with 0.3.5 :) 19:58:05 <planetmaker> http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2007/09/07/2-betas-in-same-week/#more-230 is the actual entry with the screenshot. Look at the NewGRF updates :-) 19:58:23 <planetmaker> he :-) 19:58:33 <andythenorth> hmm what's not done 19:58:45 <andythenorth> web translator for newgrfs? o_O 19:59:19 <Alberth> only that? 19:59:30 <frosch123> oh, pr*gman was a coop member 19:59:49 <andythenorth> bananas needs a rebuild 20:00:12 <Alberth> andythenorth: I would expect the union of all suggestion post \ what has been implemented 20:01:58 <planetmaker> web config for servers is missing. logging for them. infra sharing. cargod*st. daylength of sorts. consist replacement 20:02:49 <planetmaker> web translator for all stuff, of course. Proper bananas management UI 20:04:02 <Eddi|zuHause> timetable stuff 20:04:21 <Eddi|zuHause> consist replacement 20:04:35 <Alberth> state machines 20:04:55 <frosch123> tile based airports :) 20:04:58 <planetmaker> no-grids. new game UI rework. new airports + new bridges + road types 20:05:04 <planetmaker> newgrf utopia 20:05:10 <frosch123> undo knob 20:05:14 <planetmaker> :-P 20:05:26 <planetmaker> ^W^W^W 20:05:50 <andythenorth> whack whack oops 20:06:53 <andythenorth> multithreading 20:07:07 <planetmaker> r9884 | truelight | 2007-05-20 00:48:04 +0200 (Sun, 20 May 2007) | 6 lines 20:07:07 <planetmaker> -Feature: 2 new zoom-out levels: 8 times and 16 times :D 20:07:29 <frosch123> ow... round-robin group stage, two round of tie-breakers... and now a coin flip :p 20:07:36 <frosch123> awesome e-sports :p 20:08:30 <frosch123> planetmaker: ah, yeah, we also need the zoom-out-into-minimap thingie 20:08:50 <planetmaker> openttd as web game :D 20:09:35 * andythenorth would settle for rivers that get a bit wider near sea 20:10:00 <planetmaker> Blog article from 5 April 2007: Passenger Destinations â we need them!! 20:11:57 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:15:37 <Eddi|zuHause> about that long i haven't played a game without them anymore :p 20:16:29 <planetmaker> :D 20:19:22 <Eddi|zuHause> july 2008 - Klein ElsmÃŒnster Transport, 24. MÀr 1925.sav 20:22:29 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Klein%20Elsmuenster%20Transport,%202.%20Okt%201940.png 20:23:10 <frosch123> about that long i haven't played a singleplayer game on a map bigger than 128x256 :p 20:23:20 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:23:44 <planetmaker> :-) Hm... I guess my usual map remained like 512^2 since I started 20:23:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i stopped playing that game because there was a crazy lag for calculating the passenger connections in that patch 20:23:59 <planetmaker> Though... for wwottdgd I created 2k^2... too big 20:24:06 <V453000> 256x128 is enough for major brainmelt :P 20:24:18 <planetmaker> quite 20:24:54 <Eddi|zuHause> i kinda like larger maps with lots of space 20:25:20 <frosch123> i don't like lots of spce 20:25:23 <planetmaker> yes... but on 512^2 I have lots of space :-) 20:25:31 <frosch123> i like maps with high industry density and everything connected 20:26:02 <Eddi|zuHause> 512^2 map, low town density, cargodist, 1/8 or 1/16 passenger generation 20:26:18 <Eddi|zuHause> 4x or 8x daylength 20:26:28 <planetmaker> I like medium density and everything connected, low town density. And then re-building life hubs for better performance :D 20:27:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i liked how YACD forced me to actually connect everything 20:27:16 <frosch123> oh, and i hate maglev :p 20:27:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i only built maglev twice in my OpenTTD history 20:28:04 <planetmaker> one of the most interesting games I played was jointly with andy, terkhen and others a yacd game with the then current FIRS. Brilliant 20:28:05 <frosch123> i also never really transported pax 20:28:07 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't usually play that long anyway 20:28:18 <frosch123> i build a few airports to make towns grow until they accept goods 20:28:43 <Eddi|zuHause> wouldn't bus stops perform that better? 20:29:22 <frosch123> likely, but i was still in the lucky position to not know the game mechanics :) 20:29:27 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:29:36 <frosch123> which generally makes games more interesting 20:29:42 <frosch123> imo 20:31:01 <planetmaker> :-) 20:32:13 <V453000> there is always something to discover in openttd :) 20:32:40 <Wolf01> 'night 20:32:46 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 20:33:09 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, maybe i should hack a patch that strips the paxdes3 stuff from that savegame, to import it into something more modern... 20:36:29 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.20.9.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 20:40:41 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i don't seem to have that patch anymore 20:48:23 <Eddi|zuHause> oh there it might be 20:51:05 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, how was that solved? "src/fileio.cpp:629:36: error: invalid conversion from âconst char*â to âchar*â [-fpermissive]" 20:51:31 <Eddi|zuHause> trying to compile r12697 20:52:08 <frosch123> remove the const 20:52:19 <frosch123> or const-cast 20:52:59 <Eddi|zuHause> char *s = strrchr(exe, PATHSEPCHAR); 20:53:52 <Eddi|zuHause> there's no "future blame" in svn :/ 20:55:23 <Alberth> just cast char *s = (char *)strrchr(exe, PATHSEPCHAR); :) 20:56:09 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-70-162.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 20:57:37 <Eddi|zuHause> char *s = const_cast<char *>(strrchr(exe, PATHSEPCHAR)); seems to be the current line 20:58:10 <Alberth> that would be the more official way indeed :) 20:59:50 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 21:01:21 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:01:51 <Eddi|zuHause> /mnt/disk2/spiele/OpenTTD/trunk_clean/src/newgrf_text.cpp:166:8: error: non-placement deallocation function âstatic void GRFText::operator delete(void*, size_t)â [-fpermissive] 21:01:52 <Eddi|zuHause> /mnt/disk2/spiele/OpenTTD/trunk_clean/src/newgrf_text.cpp:148:53: error: selected for placement delete [-fpermissive] 21:01:58 <andythenorth> good night 21:02:11 <Eddi|zuHause> i have not even a clue what that means :/ 21:03:16 <lucky_> is it possible to pull up a chat backlog? 21:03:26 <Alberth> looks interesting eddi :) 21:03:28 <Alberth> @logs 21:03:28 <DorpsGek> Alberth: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd 21:03:32 <Alberth> yes it is 21:03:33 <Eddi|zuHause> ingame? use the console 21:03:37 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:03:48 <Eddi|zuHause> key left of 1 21:04:28 <lucky_> oh! thanks :) 21:05:52 <Eddi|zuHause> [Sonntag, 24. Oktober 2010] [21:37:55] <Eddi|zuHause> src/newgrf_text.cpp:166:8: error: non-placement deallocation function âstatic void GRFText::operator delete(void*, size_t)â 21:05:53 <Eddi|zuHause> [Sonntag, 24. Oktober 2010] [21:37:56] <Eddi|zuHause> src/newgrf_text.cpp:148:53: error: selected for placement delete 21:05:59 <Eddi|zuHause> looks i had that problem before :p 21:06:59 <Eddi|zuHause> [Sonntag, 24. Oktober 2010] [21:41:18] <Alberth> that's an interesting one :) 21:07:27 <Alberth> lol! 21:07:51 <Alberth> did it also state the solution? 21:08:17 <Eddi|zuHause> not within 30 lines of this :/ 21:09:48 <Alberth> static looks a bit suspicious 21:10:19 <Alberth> oh, no it's not, in the context of a class 21:10:23 <Eddi|zuHause> well, there's a solution somewhere in trunk, but how to find the right commit? 21:11:57 <Alberth> bisect doesn't work as you'd have to more the patch along, I guess 21:12:35 <Eddi|zuHause> it's unpatched 21:14:35 <frosch123> r18045 21:14:45 <frosch123> -Fix: GCC 4.5@HEAD not compiling OpenTTD anymore because of a "non-placement deallocation function [is] selected for placement delete" 21:15:41 <Eddi|zuHause> ah, thanks 21:17:06 <Eddi|zuHause> gn, it totally not applies, though :) 21:18:33 *** HellTiger [~HellTiger@43-54.61-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 21:18:38 <Alberth> gn eddi :) 21:18:41 *** HellTiger [~HellTiger@43-54.61-188.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #openttd 21:20:52 *** DarkAce-Z [~BillyMays@50.107.54.92] has joined #openttd 21:21:30 <Eddi|zuHause> not what i meant :) 21:23:48 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:58 <Eddi|zuHause> now i have about 2 metric tons of warnings, but it did produce a binary :) 21:26:22 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.54.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:26:34 <Eddi|zuHause> and a norev000 21:26:39 <Eddi|zuHause> why that? 21:27:11 <frosch123> svn 1.7 ? 21:27:40 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 21:27:52 <Eddi|zuHause> whatever, doesn't matter 21:28:02 <frosch123> there is no longer a .svn directory everywehre 21:34:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess that would have been too easy :/ http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2238/ 21:35:11 <frosch123> sounds like you just need to add a "public" somewhere 21:37:15 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1A2E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:35 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:45:18 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, i replaced some "protected" inheritance to "public" 21:45:29 <Eddi|zuHause> it compiles, but i have no clue whether that is correct 21:45:47 <frosch123> protected inheritance on class level :o 21:45:50 <Eddi|zuHause> yay, it crashes on the intro game :) 21:47:19 <Eddi|zuHause> Program received signal SIGFPE, Arithmetic exception. 0x000000000046762f in OnTick_Industry() () 21:47:39 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:47:41 <Eddi|zuHause> that certainly has nothing to do with the other one :) 21:48:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i smell a daylength patch issue 21:48:12 <frosch123> try without openttd.cfg 21:48:21 <frosch123> so you get all defaults of that version 21:49:00 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 21:50:40 <Eddi|zuHause> 1039 return (!_patches.daylength_iprfactor ? original_production_rate / _patches.daylength : original_production_rate); 21:50:50 *** sla_ro|master [~slamaster@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: connection reset by myself] 21:51:07 <Terkhen> good night 21:55:26 *** DarkAce-Z is now known as DarkAceZ 22:02:30 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has joined #openttd 22:02:44 <Muxy> ehlo openttd.fr 22:02:49 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, there aren't actually any daylength entries in settings :/ 22:02:56 <Eddi|zuHause> only in settings_gui 22:03:15 <Eddi|zuHause> where have they gone? 22:05:30 <glx> in some .ini maybe ? 22:09:08 <Eddi|zuHause> note: save before compile :/ 22:10:05 *** Muxy [~Muxy@main.goulp.net] has left #openttd [Quitte] 22:10:20 <Eddi|zuHause> uhu... it actually loads the savegame... 22:12:11 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590d5ce6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13:45 <planetmaker> g'night 22:32:04 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... i have no idea why, but the wood trucks are broken :/ 22:32:49 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, could be old non-stop handling 22:34:05 <Eddi|zuHause> ok, i probably should not have done that :/ 22:35:00 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 22:36:46 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:36:47 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:54:18 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host81-155-52-134.range81-155.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:15:00 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:30:29 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye !] 23:30:34 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving]