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[~pixa@79-68-108-191.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 03:04:44 *** Rhamphoryncus [~rhamph@d173-183-158-25.abhsia.telus.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:13:42 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3817.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 03:24:56 <Supercheese> Hmm, I'm contemplating making a Fairey Rotodyne for OTTD 03:24:59 *** DarkAce-Z [~BillyMays@50.107.54.92] has joined #openttd 03:25:00 <Supercheese> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotodyne 03:25:36 <Supercheese> looks like a cool aircraft to me :) 03:26:47 *** xT2 [~ST2@2.81.239.130] has joined #openttd 03:27:07 *** ST2 [~ST2@2.81.235.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:28:31 *** Dark-Ace-Z [~BillyMays@50.107.54.92] has joined #openttd 03:30:06 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.54.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:34:26 *** DarkAce-Z [~BillyMays@50.107.54.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:12:12 *** Dark-Ace-Z is now known as DarkAceZ 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4B76.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5234.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:00:28 <MNIM> Do eeeet 05:01:06 <Supercheese> I've got a model in sketchup, I'll make renders in a few days 05:01:16 <Supercheese> got/downloaded/acquired 05:04:04 <Supercheese> also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mil_V-12 05:04:18 <Supercheese> 40,200 kg payload 05:06:40 <Supercheese> or 44,205 kg, even 05:06:55 <Supercheese> two different numbers, hmm 05:07:27 <Supercheese> wikipedia seems to disagree with itself 05:12:22 <Rubidium> seems like two different conversions from lb to kg 05:12:35 <Rubidium> as the number in lb is the same for both 05:12:40 <Supercheese> The FAI apparently doesn't recognize that record though 05:12:44 <Supercheese> only the â 30,000 kg one 05:12:54 <Supercheese> 31,030 kg 05:13:42 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@90.193.88.212] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:13:53 <Supercheese> 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NewGRFs 07:30:58 <planetmaker> with the right choice you likely can start successfully mid 19ths century 07:31:00 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 07:31:11 <Supercheese> Or horse-drawn stuff from the 1600s 07:31:23 <Supercheese> for those people who like sllooooooow transport :P 07:31:29 <Nothing4You> horses? that sounds interesting 07:31:35 <planetmaker> yes... but I found the horse carriages insufficient to keep up with my transport needs 07:31:37 <Supercheese> also sailing ships 07:31:42 <Supercheese> which carry lots more 07:32:00 <Nothing4You> kk 07:32:53 <Nothing4You> btw i found some typo in the wiki 07:33:04 <planetmaker> it's a wiki. Please correct it 07:33:32 <Nothing4You> http://wiki.openttd.org/Maglev says "In game first Maglev train (Lev1 'Leviathan' or Wizzowow Rocketeer) is available in 2022.", http://wiki.openttd.org/Lev1_%27Leviathan%27 says Designed 2020 07:33:33 <Supercheese> the wiki could use a great deal of correcting 07:33:43 <Nothing4You> i don't know which one is the correct one, i would have to try 07:35:25 <planetmaker> @calc 28855 / 365 + 1920 07:35:25 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 1999.05479452 07:35:29 <planetmaker> hm 07:35:51 <planetmaker> ah 07:36:03 <planetmaker> @calc 36891 / 365 + 1920 07:36:03 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 2021.07123288 07:36:22 <planetmaker> @calc 36891 / 365.25 + 1920 07:36:22 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 2021.00205339 07:36:30 <planetmaker> looks like 2021 :-P 07:36:38 <Supercheese> split the difference ;) 07:36:51 <Supercheese> although the random-added stuff means 2022 is not unlikely 07:37:05 <planetmaker> yup. but 2020 is impossible ;-) 07:37:08 <Supercheese> aye 07:37:21 <Nothing4You> so should i write 2021 or 2022 then? 07:37:29 <Nothing4You> or 2021-2022? 07:37:32 <planetmaker> 2021 07:37:40 <Nothing4You> kk 07:38:02 <Nothing4You> how about the http://wiki.openttd.org/Wizzowow_Rocketeer then? 07:38:07 <planetmaker> the 0 ... 2 years random change for introduction is not by design of the vehicle but by design of the game 07:38:19 <Nothing4You> also, where did you get that values for calculation from? 07:38:27 <Nothing4You> kk 07:39:24 <planetmaker> I looked at the source code http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/file/872f5d8f257d/src/table/engines.h#l182 07:39:36 <Nothing4You> ah 07:40:22 <planetmaker> the default vehicles' properties are all defined there. Stupid as that is from a design POV 07:41:52 <Nothing4You> the base_intro, right? 07:42:05 <planetmaker> yes. In days since 1.1.1920 07:42:09 <Nothing4You> kk 07:42:24 <Nothing4You> @calc 36891 / 365.25 + 1920 07:42:24 <DorpsGek> Nothing4You: 2021.00205339 07:42:38 <Nothing4You> so i'll adjust both to 2021 07:46:53 <Nothing4You> @calc 39447 / 365.25 + 1920 07:46:53 <DorpsGek> Nothing4You: 2028 07:47:04 <Nothing4You> @calc 42004 / 365.25 + 1920 07:47:04 <DorpsGek> Nothing4You: 2035.00068446 07:47:17 <Nothing4You> @calc 42735 / 365.25 + 1920 07:47:17 <DorpsGek> Nothing4You: 2037.00205339 07:47:27 <Nothing4You> Lev4 is also wrong then 07:54:43 <Supercheese> good night 07:54:53 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 08:01:15 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has joined #openttd 08:08:15 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@218-214-18-147.people.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:22:43 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.65.255] has joined #openttd 08:28:31 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-108-191.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:33:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19D03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:53:45 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:54:43 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 08:56:54 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-105-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 08:59:45 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.65.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:11:26 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.67.79] has joined #openttd 09:16:26 *** Pixa [~pixa@79-68-105-182.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:22:36 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.67.79] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 240 seconds.] 09:30:36 *** roadt [~roadt@223.240.100.185] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:37:04 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6CC4.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:52:07 *** sla_ro|master [~slamaster@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: connection reset by myself] 09:53:54 *** roadt [~roadt@223.240.100.185] has joined #openttd 10:08:30 *** Ristovski [~rafael@78.157.7.34] has joined #openttd 10:14:37 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:36:39 *** Tvel [~Thunderbi@212.36.5.170] has joined #openttd 10:41:41 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f534a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:54:26 *** roadt [~roadt@223.240.100.185] has quit [Quit: æ犻] 10:55:22 *** roadt [~roadt@223.240.100.185] has joined #openttd 11:05:01 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:05:32 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 11:13:05 *** goodger [~ben@host86-186-158-81.range86-186.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: goodger] 11:22:01 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.140] has joined #openttd 11:28:43 *** goodger [~ben@host86-186-158-81.range86-186.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:40:20 <V453000> hm, where can I find on the tt-wiki how to make transparent/semitransparent sprites? 11:42:27 <peter1138> it's mentioned in the sprite layout stuff 11:42:48 <V453000> ah, thanks 11:46:22 <planetmaker> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/RecolorSprites#recolor-table <-- see the 'glass effect' recolour sprite 11:48:51 <V453000> :o 11:54:38 <V453000> is there any example in nml? 11:54:46 <V453000> cant imagine how the usage of this looks like 11:55:12 <frosch123> with 32bpp you can also do alpha channel 11:55:13 <V453000> I just tried writing down spriteset_name * 257 00 0x322 11:56:06 <frosch123> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Spritelayout <- it's the recolour_mode thingie 11:56:09 <Eddi|zuHause> there's a recolour{} block 11:57:01 <V453000> and the recolour block is put in item like graphics block? 11:57:20 <V453000> or is it sprite_name { recolour{} } 11:57:42 <Eddi|zuHause> i used recolouring once, but i forgot 11:57:50 <frosch123> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Recolour_sprites <- you should be able to just put them inside a spriteset 11:58:24 <frosch123> anyway, you cannot use any of this stuff for vehicles :p 11:58:35 <peter1138> dbsetxl does it 11:58:37 <V453000> didnt see that one 11:58:39 <peter1138> though with nfo of course 11:58:42 <peter1138> wait 11:58:45 <peter1138> newstatsw i mean :S 11:58:46 <V453000> what? :d well I wanted to use it for rails now 11:58:56 <peter1138> you can't do that with rails 11:59:00 <V453000> asdf 11:59:09 <frosch123> with vehicles you can only do normal recolouring, no glass-stuff 11:59:22 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:59:23 <peter1138> you can do 32bpp alpha 11:59:23 <frosch123> unless you use 32bpp, then you have a alpha channel 11:59:26 <frosch123> but that's not quite the same 12:00:30 <peter1138> inded 12:00:32 <peter1138> e 12:00:37 <V453000> meh it was proobably a bad idea anyway :) 12:10:52 *** andythen_ [~andytheno@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 12:16:02 <planetmaker> lalala ... trunk image: http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/test.png 12:16:16 *** Elukka [Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:16:35 <Eddi|zuHause> now get a proper artist on it :p 12:17:32 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, all river tiles there, new and old were created on my machine ;-) 12:17:36 <Eddi|zuHause> what i always wondered: why isn't it possible to set 90° turns for ships and trains separately? 12:17:47 <planetmaker> but I can't do it in 1 hour :-P 12:18:13 <planetmaker> and I totally would not mind someone stepping up 12:18:43 <V453000> Fun :D ordering printing here locally is 300% more expensive than ordering it from germany, including transportation 12:18:54 <planetmaker> lol 12:21:58 <V453000> also holy shit at diagonal rivers :D 12:23:31 <planetmaker> coding that can be lengthy :-) 12:24:01 <Eddi|zuHause> just generate it :p 12:24:20 <planetmaker> then the drawing will be lengthy :-P 12:25:09 <planetmaker> drawing will be the most lengthy thing there anyway 12:25:13 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 12:26:06 <Eddi|zuHause> you only have 2^8 cases :) 12:26:33 <planetmaker> :-) 12:26:49 <planetmaker> that many is not needed really 12:26:57 <Eddi|zuHause> (times random states) 12:27:01 <planetmaker> But then multiply that with terrain types as well 12:27:06 *** andythen_ [~andytheno@194.168.185.226] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:30:13 <Eddi|zuHause> "Windows 8 is the biggest economical failure since 'New Coke'" 12:30:31 <peter1138> everyone i know who's tried it loves it 12:31:41 <__ln___> peter1138: everyone in an empty set 12:31:49 <peter1138> :( 12:32:09 <stuf> dunno, win8 has been just fine for me 12:32:14 <Eddi|zuHause> well, on the one windows 8 i helped set up, i immediately installed the classic shell 12:35:21 <stuf> I don't really mind the start screen, since the functionality there I usually use is pretty much the same as in win7 12:35:55 <stuf> besides, win8 program indexing seems to be working better, since there isn't that pesky wait time as in win7 when opening up the start menu and searching for something 12:36:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't actually used win8 12:36:55 <Eddi|zuHause> or win7 12:37:18 <planetmaker> windows7 is quite ok. But still... it's windows. It misses xterm :-P 12:37:52 <stuf> but as long as the GUI isn't as much of an atrocity as gimp's (or any piece of adobe software), i'm fine with it 12:38:49 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25230 trunk/src/newgrf.cpp (2013-05-07 12:38:43 UTC) 12:38:50 <DorpsGek> -Feature: [NewGRF] Expose sprite base of foundation and shore sprites via Action D Game Variables. 12:39:53 <planetmaker> \o/ 12:44:05 <Eddi|zuHause> there you have the idea you searched for :p 12:44:18 <frosch123> it's an ancient idea 12:45:17 <Eddi|zuHause> lots of ideas are ancient 12:49:45 <Nothing4You> termite is much better than xterm 12:49:56 <Nothing4You> i only have xterm installed for one reason 12:50:04 <Nothing4You> monodevelop doesn't work without it 12:50:33 <planetmaker> that judgement sounds poor 12:52:04 <frosch123> well, isn't it more important what shell you run inside the terminal? :p 12:53:08 <peter1138> http://www.compuphase.com/software_termite.htm 12:53:09 <peter1138> what, that? 12:54:36 <frosch123> looks more like kermit for windows 12:54:45 <peter1138> i don't think that's what Nothing4You means though 12:55:14 <frosch123> "kermit" is an awesome software name btw. more people should use such names :) 12:55:23 <planetmaker> :-) 12:56:08 *** mindlesstux [~mindlestu@raspberrypi.mindlesstux.com] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 12:56:28 *** mindlesstux [~mindlestu@raspberrypi.mindlesstux.com] has joined #openttd 12:59:39 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.16.71.156] has joined #openttd 13:00:03 <Eddi|zuHause> is it green and on pushing a button turns red? :p 13:00:46 <frosch123> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_%28protocol%29 13:01:19 <NGC3982> :D 13:01:35 <frosch123> my brother used that around 1990 trying to set up a "lan" over a distance of 800 meters 13:01:48 <frosch123> across some grass plain to the house of a friend 13:01:58 <frosch123> using some rs232 derivate with heigher voltage levels 13:02:08 <NGC3982> On what kind of cable? 13:02:18 <frosch123> but it did not succeed with anything faster than 600 boud, so it failed for gaming 13:02:47 <frosch123> cannot remember, but if it was that long it cannot be something specially suited 13:03:12 <NGC3982> Doesn't the rs232 standard say that capacitance is too high after 50 feet or something? 13:03:13 <frosch123> likely some random wire with low profile 13:03:30 <frosch123> stuff you use in electric model train networks to wire the signals and such :p 13:03:34 <NGC3982> Oh. 13:03:36 <NGC3982> Hehe, trains. 13:03:42 <frosch123> it was not rs232 13:03:52 <frosch123> but something similar with higher volatage 13:03:58 <NGC3982> I see 13:04:26 <frosch123> maybe it was even an early telephone modem or similiar 13:04:34 <frosch123> something they threw out of the university at that time :) 13:04:52 <Nothing4You> the termite i'm talking about is https://github.com/thestinger/termite 13:06:13 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:06:54 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 13:07:47 <Eddi|zuHause> wouldn't you rather use BNC cables over such distance? (assuming this was before twisted pair came around) 13:08:25 <frosch123> sure, if you have a 800m bnc cable around 13:08:33 <planetmaker> :-) 13:08:45 <Eddi|zuHause> although that may also become troublesome beyond 300m-ish 13:09:28 <frosch123> yeah, that it even worked at all :) 13:10:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i vaguely remember my school had trouble from one end of the building to the other 13:11:11 <Eddi|zuHause> now, one could look up the size of the standardized east german school building... 13:11:55 <frosch123> if it was built after 1950? 13:12:01 <__ln___> 800m bnc (isn't that a connector, so coaxial) cable costs a bit. 13:12:06 <heffer> hmm standard east german school? box shaped! 13:12:34 <Eddi|zuHause> the H-shaped standard building :) 13:13:08 <NGC3982> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uxsFglz2ig 13:13:13 <Eddi|zuHause> construction around 1970-ish 13:13:53 <Eddi|zuHause> (actually the building was only half of the H) 13:14:28 <heffer> ultra wide T shape? 13:14:52 <Eddi|zuHause> something like that, yes 13:15:45 <Eddi|zuHause> https://maps.google.de/?ie=UTF8&ll=51.484961,11.939381&spn=0.002719,0.003771&t=h&z=18&vpsrc=6 13:15:52 <Eddi|zuHause> the building doesn't exist anymore, though 13:27:05 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@wirenat2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:28:09 *** George|2 [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 13:28:09 *** George is now known as Guest4586 13:28:09 *** George|2 is now known as George 13:33:00 <__ln___> oh no, are they destroying valuable architecture? 13:33:02 *** Guest4586 [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:49:24 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25231 trunk/src/tunnelbridge_cmd.cpp (2013-05-07 13:49:18 UTC) 13:49:25 <DorpsGek> -Fix (r25227): Also update infrastructure counts. 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I indicated place in http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/tunnels.png 17:11:29 <planetmaker> V453000, you can see that when you highlight the tile with, say, the tunnel build tool or bulldozer or so. Then a coloured pixel remains there 17:14:25 <V453000> very strange 17:14:29 <V453000> I took them from the landscape 17:14:41 <V453000> can you link me to the used land sprites to be sure? 17:15:06 <planetmaker> try opengfx nightly 17:15:37 <V453000> well sure, I can see what is wrong 17:15:42 *** DDR [~chatzilla@d108-180-70-162.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #openttd 17:15:51 <V453000> but if I took land sprites, it should behave the same way as sloped land 17:15:58 <V453000> so apparently the ones I used were wrong 17:16:43 <planetmaker> maybe previous ones have that issue already... dunno, didn't check :D 17:17:18 <V453000> but then landscape wouldh have such issue too 17:17:25 <V453000> where can I find the used landscape sprites? 17:18:32 <V453000> it is easy, all I need to do is to replace the landscape layer ... but I need the correct one to do that 17:20:24 <planetmaker> the rail tunnels have the same issue 17:22:05 <planetmaker> in ogfx-landscape repo: 17:22:24 <planetmaker> src/gfx/ogfx-terrain.png 17:22:42 <planetmaker> that should contain most ground sprites 17:22:56 <planetmaker> I won't bet my life on 'all' though :-) 17:24:50 <planetmaker> hm, do I dare make ogfx-landscape compatible with trunk only? :D 17:25:16 <V453000> xD 17:25:50 <planetmaker> http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/rev/d12e7865224c <-- for object ground tiles :-) 17:26:09 <V453000> hmm yeah ogfx-terrain is where I got them from 17:27:02 <V453000> ogfx-terrain is gridless there though, isnt it 17:29:19 <planetmaker> yes 17:30:02 <V453000> your screenshot has them with grid, is the problem appearing in both cases? 17:30:11 <planetmaker> yes 17:31:08 <planetmaker> If you took the tunnel sprites from opengfx somewhere you'll have that issue, I think 17:32:03 <planetmaker> you might want to compare the front (lower) slopes of the sprites of those with the normal sloped ground tile. Maybe there's a pixel difference somewhere? 17:32:18 <V453000> I just do not understand how can there be a shape mismatch if I just duplicated the sloped land sprites 17:32:39 <V453000> I cloned them from the ground tiles, not tunnel sprites 17:32:39 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:32:52 <V453000> it is ground sprite + tunel layer + road layer 17:34:23 <planetmaker> Only the sprite without the road has this issue; the sprite which is drawn on the vehicles 17:34:31 <planetmaker> not the tunnel ground sprite 17:34:50 <planetmaker> I would think 17:35:37 <V453000> their shape is exactly the same :s 17:35:50 <planetmaker> hm, strange then 17:35:53 <V453000> minus the "missing" part ofc 17:37:05 <V453000> ha, found 1 pixel actually 17:38:08 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 17:38:11 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 17:38:17 <planetmaker> :-) 17:38:31 <Alberth> evenink 17:39:06 <planetmaker> oddink 17:39:19 *** andythen_ [~andytheno@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:39:28 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:40:49 <V453000> is the issue only 1 pixel though? 17:41:01 <planetmaker> yes 17:41:26 <V453000> o 17:42:07 <frosch123> don't lick the sprites 17:42:26 <frosch123> they may lose pixels 17:42:27 <planetmaker> *schlurp* 17:42:52 *** andythen_ [~andytheno@cpc23-aztw25-2-0-cust33.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:43:23 <Terkhen> hello 17:43:27 <planetmaker> hi Terkhen 17:45:21 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25232 /trunk/src/lang (german.txt lithuanian.txt) (2013-05-07 17:45:13 UTC) 17:45:22 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:23 <DorpsGek> german - 9 changes by Jogio 17:45:24 <DorpsGek> lithuanian - 1 changes by Stabilitronas 17:50:19 <V453000> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/issues/5555 17:50:25 <V453000> sec it is uploading :) 17:50:36 <V453000> nowwww 17:51:07 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:51:14 <planetmaker> :-) 17:54:36 <planetmaker> lol. I also found the grid issue ;-) 17:54:50 <planetmaker> simply referencing the gridded version of the file :-P 17:54:59 <V453000> :) 17:56:52 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:57:11 <planetmaker> NoCAB started to populate my test map :D 17:57:16 <V453000> lol 17:57:20 <Wolf01> hello 17:58:32 <planetmaker> hi Wolf01 17:59:36 <planetmaker> hm, V453000 ... err no 8bpp palette ? 18:00:16 <V453000> oh damn 18:00:16 <V453000> ye 18:00:17 <V453000> will do 18:05:27 <V453000> k, there again 18:05:34 <V453000> guess you might want to delete the other six :P 18:05:44 <Alberth> hi Wolf01 18:05:59 <planetmaker> they have time stamps :-) 18:09:02 <planetmaker> http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/ogfx-landscape.tar <-- result @ V453000 18:10:35 <planetmaker> looks very nice to me :-) 18:13:41 <planetmaker> V453000, the psd source does not change, it's just a different export? 18:30:06 <V453000> it changes by 8 pixels ... :) 18:30:18 <V453000> palette changes only on export 18:47:20 <V453000> result looks good to me :) 18:47:49 <V453000> no fat road parameter though :P 18:47:57 <V453000> *fat tunnel 18:48:25 <planetmaker> so totally untrue :-P 18:48:37 <planetmaker> just brot is slow ;-) 18:48:40 <V453000> :D 19:12:32 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has joined #openttd 19:13:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19D03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:19:48 <George> when I copy the train why does it copies the age? 19:20:45 <George> the train has cargo_subtype_text CB, that returns several value first 10 days of life and fails later 19:21:02 <George> I have a train that was refited 19:21:28 <George> when I copy it I get the train not refited (like CB fails) 19:22:03 <Supercheese> which variable are you using? age_in_days? 19:22:10 *** glx [glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:22:13 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 19:22:15 <Supercheese> or not that at all? 19:22:30 <George> if I pause a game, build a new train, refit it and then copy the new train, the copy is refited 19:22:55 <George> but if i wait 11 days and copy it again, the new copy IS NOT refited 19:22:59 <George> why? 19:23:01 <Supercheese> very odd 19:23:11 <George> Yes 19:23:25 <Supercheese> does the subtype callback use any variables like age_in_days ? 19:23:29 <George> switch (FEAT_TRAINS, SELF, _4te10s_cargo_subtype_text, 19:23:29 <George> cargo_subtype + ((age_in_days >= 30) && (num_vehs_in_consist >= 3)) * 2 19:23:29 <George> ) 19:23:29 <George> { 19:23:29 <George> 0: string(STR_REFIT_HEAD); 19:23:29 <George> 1: string(STR_REFIT_BUSTER); 19:23:29 <George> return CB_RESULT_NO_TEXT; 19:23:31 <George> } 19:23:48 <Supercheese> I recall the age_in_days variable being very weird when I tried to use it 19:24:01 <__ln___> how did i end up in the pastebin? 19:24:23 <George> And what to do? 19:25:54 <Supercheese> I'm not sure, someone more qualified than I seems necessary 19:26:19 <Supercheese> could check the source though 19:27:44 <planetmaker> that's a very weired condition for the cargo subtype text :-) 19:28:05 <George> And? 19:28:27 <Supercheese> irrespective of weirdness, I suspect there's something odd with the age variable in OTTD 19:28:31 <Supercheese> OTTD + NML anyway 19:29:26 <frosch123> when cloning or autoreplacing or autorefitting or whatever, ottd picks the subtype with the same text 19:29:32 <planetmaker> I don't know the callbacks... ^ 19:29:33 <frosch123> if you change the text over time you totally break it 19:29:43 <frosch123> can't help you with that 19:29:52 <frosch123> subtype is not meant to change over time 19:30:23 <frosch123> subtypes are not a general display random data thingie 19:30:27 <Supercheese> It still begs the question why the 10 days bit, when the code only is supposed to change at 30 days 19:31:02 <George> a question wwas asked while the code was changed 19:31:25 <George> just copied the undone code 19:31:57 <George> because the code with 10 days and without consist length chek did not work 19:32:36 <Supercheese> I guess the conclusion is that cargo subtype should only change when refitting, and not due to other factors, eh 19:32:47 <planetmaker> yes 19:33:16 <George> frosch123: And how can code that the cargo subtype text would be uncanged inside the train? 19:33:40 <George> so onle a single loco can change the subtype text 19:33:52 <George> and then be placed in the consist& 19:34:14 <George> ? 19:35:14 <George> what I want to do: 19:35:37 <frosch123> maybe use the start stop check 19:35:43 <frosch123> or just leave it to the player 19:35:59 <George> how can that help? 19:36:11 <George> What I try to code: 19:36:13 <frosch123> no idea, i don't understand the intention in the first place 19:36:32 <frosch123> what's the point of all these conditions? are you coding a railroad history quiz? 19:36:40 <George> A player buys a loco, refits it (to boosted variant) and attaches it 19:36:57 <frosch123> the player, who builds 100 valid trains, wins? 19:36:58 <George> it can be attached only in a special place of a train 19:37:51 <George> in case it would become refited inside consist the train would be brocken 19:37:58 <Supercheese> why the age in days check then? 19:38:04 <George> Yes, I build a historical train 19:38:24 <planetmaker> uh... 19:38:29 <Supercheese> shouldn't the consist check work by itself? 19:38:38 <planetmaker> George, make the historical consist one articulated vehicle 19:38:44 <planetmaker> so one-click buy. Done 19:38:58 <planetmaker> and make the other trains work no-matter-what 19:39:08 <Supercheese> alternatively that, or another easier way 19:39:28 <Supercheese> easier than current, I think planetmaker's idea is easiest overall 19:40:21 <George> Sorry, but I'm not looking for a way not to code the feature :) I'm looking for a way to code it 19:40:50 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 19:40:55 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A9CD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:40:57 <George> From the historical point of view in the later years these trains were split and used as parts 19:40:57 <Supercheese> Still, I don't understand the age check 19:41:12 <George> so articulated vehicle is not a solution 19:41:37 <Supercheese> Well, you could also code it as a separate engine and disable its power/whatnot when it's not in a certain place in the consist 19:41:55 <Supercheese> that would also let you set independent intro/retire dates 19:42:01 <George> Yes, I can code it on a separate ID 19:42:26 <George> But I need exect days of build feature then 19:42:38 <frosch123> you can make the back part draw depending on the front part 19:42:46 <frosch123> the japanese trains do that 19:43:01 <frosch123> you refit the front to a specific series/colour 19:43:10 <frosch123> and the other vehicles in the chain take it from the front 19:43:23 <frosch123> that allows easy moving of vehicles around in the depot 19:43:29 <frosch123> without the need to refit every single vehicle 19:43:40 <planetmaker> good point 19:43:42 <George> This is the way it was coded before 19:43:51 <George> very bad idea 19:44:06 <Supercheese> bad because...? 19:44:15 <frosch123> anyway, japanese trains are currently somewhat broken in trunk, so test it with 1.3 :) 19:44:15 <George> because the train part magicaly transforms when being attached 19:44:30 <Supercheese> as opposed to magically transform when refit> 19:44:32 <Supercheese> ?* 19:45:20 <George> that is why I'm asking about haw to prevent refit problem on train coping 19:45:29 <George> how 19:46:34 <Supercheese> well, several suggestions have been fielded 19:46:57 <George> Sorry? 19:47:22 <George> currently I saw only 2 - code on the other ID and not to code 19:47:38 <George> Missed something? 19:47:55 <planetmaker> yes. draw vehicle depending on front vehicle 19:48:13 <George> it is not a solution 19:48:28 <George> It is an issue (bug) I'm trying to fix) 19:48:29 <planetmaker> honestly, Japanese trains is one of my favourite sets: Ease of use, nice choice of vehicles 19:49:00 <George> xUSSR set would not be easy to use :))) 19:49:01 <Supercheese> wouldn't removing the age check help? 19:49:12 <Supercheese> I still don't know why that's there 19:50:01 <George> Supercheese: No, it does not work either 19:50:06 *** Born_Acorn [~bornacorn@yoda.zernebok.com] has joined #openttd 19:50:08 <Supercheese> Hm 19:50:28 <George> just because of the resons frosch123 wrote above 19:51:20 <planetmaker> what's the point to allow refitting vehicles one-by-one but then disallowing to assemble trains from them? 19:51:41 <planetmaker> that's what I understood how this is going to be used... 19:51:59 <George> because it is checked with CB 1D and allows only sertan combinations of locos 19:52:22 <George> with refit inside consist it would become broken 19:52:32 <planetmaker> sorry, that reads like "the wall is green because I painted it green" 19:53:07 <George> historical set is historical 19:53:21 <George> Someone wrote the history already 19:53:33 <George> I can repat in code and not repeat 19:53:46 <George> there are no other solutions 19:53:54 <planetmaker> a historical set should only allow articulated vehicles, so that only the vehicles like they were built then, can be built 19:53:56 <Eddi|zuHause> George: what frosch123 said is that it runs the text callback for both existing and new vehicle, it fails for the existing vehicle, so the new one can't take the existing refit 19:53:57 <planetmaker> no refit. no nothing 19:54:26 <Eddi|zuHause> George: so the "solution" is to make the callback in a way that doesn't fail with the existing vehicle 19:55:15 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:55:26 <Eddi|zuHause> (at least that's how i understand it) 19:55:46 <George> that means use other ID 19:56:40 <Eddi|zuHause> or implement "vehicle views" that are set on purchase and can't be changed afterwards 19:57:30 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 19:57:32 <George> Eddi|zuHause: and how are they set on purchase? 19:57:54 *** KouDy [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:57:58 <Eddi|zuHause> view selection buttons like for stations/objects/... 19:58:33 <Eddi|zuHause> MB had a mockup somewhere 19:58:39 <George> and where are they for trains? 19:58:47 <Supercheese> source code patch 19:58:48 <Eddi|zuHause> they are not implemented yet 19:58:56 <Supercheese> not really a good suggestion for a newgrf author :S 19:59:18 <planetmaker> cb36 with property 25 might help there 20:01:26 <planetmaker> or maybe not 20:01:30 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:02:39 <George> Eddi|zuHause: and how would I choose what to set to prop 25? 20:02:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea what prop25 is 20:03:13 <Rubidium> some californian law to vote on? 20:03:15 <George> Eddi|zuHause: sorry, the question was to planetmaker 20:03:49 <planetmaker> I can't know what cases you need distinguish or so. 20:04:13 <planetmaker> but looking of where it can be queried it likely is useless anyway 20:04:20 <Supercheese> hah, ballot measures :P 20:04:51 <George> currently I try to choose by refit optin (they are named so the player knows what he selects) 20:05:20 <planetmaker> choose what by refit option? 20:05:35 <George> is it boosted or not 20:06:18 <planetmaker> good. So once refit to that, it's fine. It has a cargo sub-type. No need to further check for it except in the can-be-attached callback? 20:08:15 <George> yes 20:08:27 <George> but if a player refits it 20:08:34 <George> then attaches it 20:08:43 <George> and than refits again 20:08:55 <George> we get a wrong locos order 20:09:08 <planetmaker> disallow refit in that case 20:09:12 <George> because CB 1D is not recalled on refit 20:09:23 <George> planetmaker: how? 20:09:32 <Eddi|zuHause> there is a refit callback 20:09:36 <planetmaker> ^ 20:10:12 <Eddi|zuHause> where you can check position in consist and current and future refit subtype 20:10:26 <George> yes and f I fail it in consist a copy of a train gets defaul value instead of refited value 20:10:33 <Supercheese> Oh yeah, I did that for fake subways 20:10:43 <Supercheese> check the difference between current and proposed subtype 20:11:40 <Eddi|zuHause> George: i still don't quite understand the problem you are trying to model 20:12:23 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, you may couple together black engines. But once coupled together, you may not paint them red again (like they were before you painted them black) 20:13:07 <planetmaker> thus he wants to forbid the red paint bucket, if two black engines are coupled 20:13:22 <planetmaker> but wants to allow it, if the black engine is alone in the shed 20:14:35 *** Biolunar [mahdi@blfd-4d08e973.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 20:14:45 <George> planetmaker: correct 20:15:51 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, here is the old discussion on "views" http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=68&t=51763 20:18:14 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:21:10 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 20:28:06 *** Supercheese [~Password4@76.178.163.204] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0.1/20130409194949]] 20:30:56 *** Nat_aS [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 20:35:49 *** Nat_aS [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 20:36:25 <Terkhen> good night 20:47:51 <Alberth> good night T 20:59:39 *** Nat_aS [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:02:56 *** ZxBiohazardZx [~IceChat77@5ED05D6D.cm-7-1b.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: IceChat - Its what Cool People use] 21:07:30 <frosch123> night 21:07:33 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f534a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:11:17 *** Alberth [~hat3@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:13:06 <Wolf01> good night too 21:13:15 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:15:48 <Eddi|zuHause> nights are overrated 21:17:36 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.6.161.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 21:20:04 *** Kabaka [kabaka@equine.vacantminded.com] has joined #openttd 21:23:04 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@90.193.88.212] has joined #openttd 21:42:52 *** KouDy1 [~KouDy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:51:04 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:57:06 *** sla_ro|master [~slamaster@89.137.75.224] has quit [Quit: connection reset by myself] 21:57:40 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 22:09:37 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:29:49 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.6.161.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:43:56 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:00:05 *** roadt [~roadt@223.240.100.185] has joined #openttd 23:06:22 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD5234.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:10:45 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4D2A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 23:13:32 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:15:13 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@04ZAAAFSQ.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: gone] 23:33:50 *** welshdragon_ [~heswelsh@2a01:4f8:160:3241:1:0:7fa7:e1c3] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 23:44:00 *** LordPixaII [~pixa@85.210.75.169] has joined #openttd 23:50:02 *** Pixa [~pixa@85.210.65.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:58:54 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-095-033-159-058.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit []