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00:00:51 *** tanog [~oftc-webi@79.97.102.11] has quit [] 00:01:40 <Eddi|zuHause> thanks for waiting 60s for an answer at 2AM 00:02:21 <NGC3982> It's the small things that makes IRC wonderfull. 00:03:40 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: first time i had to build two weaving mills :) 00:04:22 <Eddi|zuHause> how many smiths you're supplying? 00:04:32 <frosch123> 3 armor 00:04:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the most i ever had was two 00:05:19 <frosch123> yeah, and usually it is hard to make them run at more than 50% 00:05:23 <frosch123> these are full load 100% 00:05:45 <Eddi|zuHause> usually what i'm lacking the most is melting capacity 00:05:55 <frosch123> never dreamt of 3 training camps at > 90% 00:06:15 <frosch123> 10 smelting works :p 00:06:18 <Eddi|zuHause> training typically runs out of bread, especially on rather dense maps 00:06:35 <frosch123> 57 farms 00:06:56 <frosch123> but i am running low on wood, apparently 28 jacks are too few 00:07:47 <Eddi|zuHause> but it's weird how widelands and S1 can be so different from each other 00:08:07 <Eddi|zuHause> in S1, i never have production capacity problems like this, they're mostly transport problems 00:08:19 <frosch123> yeah, in s1 you got flooded with raw materials 00:08:30 <frosch123> which is also the case for my patched widelands :) 00:09:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i played a size 5 map, and the mines were just starting to run out as i was basically finished 00:10:38 <Eddi|zuHause> technically with 4 players, but one AI that started right next to me was broken, it kept burning down the buildings it just started 00:11:13 <Eddi|zuHause> the second AI was pretty much defeated by the 3rd when i reached them 00:12:18 <Eddi|zuHause> then it went back and forth a bit between their trained knights and my untrained ones 00:12:29 <Eddi|zuHause> until i gathered up enough gold 00:12:36 <frosch123> "training" in s1 was weird 00:13:07 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, you need to keep them in the warehouse 00:13:13 <frosch123> it was more like giving them something to protect 00:13:20 <frosch123> so they fealt worthy or so :p 00:14:01 <frosch123> yeah, iirc they also trained somewhat in fortresses 00:14:14 <frosch123> so it kind of depended on the number of guys in one place 00:14:27 <Eddi|zuHause> well there's two parts to it, one is the knight level (amount of time spent in the warehouse). and the other the "morale" (amount of gold) 00:14:56 <Eddi|zuHause> gold is unimportant for defense 00:15:05 <Eddi|zuHause> only considered when attacking 00:15:22 <frosch123> did you read the manual again? :p 00:15:36 <Eddi|zuHause> not that part :p 00:15:59 <Eddi|zuHause> that i remember from when i last read it as a kid :p 00:16:54 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 00:17:53 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i found it way more effective to just throw 10 untrained soldiers at one trained one 00:18:01 <Eddi|zuHause> instead of trying to get them trained 00:18:30 <Eddi|zuHause> keep the trained ones as defense, and use the untrained ones as cannon fodder for attacking :) 00:18:51 <frosch123> hmm, i think i always went for effieciency 00:18:59 *** fjb is now known as Guest2258 00:19:01 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 00:19:11 <frosch123> exchange them until they are only the best to attack 00:19:47 <Eddi|zuHause> i only had like 9 top level ones in my game 00:21:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought it better to attack and get some buffer zone between me and them instead of getting an unlucky fight and have half of my essential buildings burnt down 00:21:49 <frosch123> likely :) 00:22:25 <Eddi|zuHause> and with that buffer zone he still came awfully close, as the sneaky bastard always attacked the most central building 00:22:46 <Eddi|zuHause> and can't put fortresses everywhere 00:22:59 <Eddi|zuHause> so you're defending with two or three guys 00:23:12 <Eddi|zuHause> not all of which are trained properly 00:25:49 *** Guest2258 [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:25:58 <frosch123> gah, i hate it when trees sometimes manage to spread across the ocean 00:26:27 <frosch123> if you do not notice it early enough, all your farms are covered in trees 00:26:45 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, random spreading of trees is the weirdest feature of widelands... 00:27:04 <frosch123> well, it helps in the beginning 00:27:20 <frosch123> lateron you have to fight the jungle to get to the enemy :p 00:27:36 <frosch123> sometimes if i am low on soliders, i defend with foresters :) 00:27:46 <frosch123> remove the military building, so they cannot attack them 00:28:00 <frosch123> and plant trees everywhere, so they cannot build buildings either :p 00:29:30 <frosch123> oh, i ran out of beer 00:33:56 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:11:28 *** megakacktus [~debussy@67-6-68-247.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #openttd 01:14:30 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A19DF7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 01:21:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AFAA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:22:08 *** Progman_ is now known as Progman 01:24:35 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d009def.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 01:28:31 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19DF7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:29:38 <megakacktus> What does OSK stand for? 01:57:44 <glx> on screen keyboard 02:04:51 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:14:06 *** DabuYu [~jkuckartz@128.250.79.186] has joined #openttd 02:43:22 *** megakacktus [~debussy@67-6-68-247.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:59:11 *** megakacktus [~debussy@67-6-68-247.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #openttd 03:20:35 *** megakacktus [~debussy@67-6-68-247.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Live long and prosper] 03:21:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6A816.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:23:48 *** Nat_aS [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 03:30:30 *** Dr_Tan [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:30:38 *** SamanthaD [~SamanthaD@c-98-248-25-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 03:46:36 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 03:56:10 *** montalvo [~montalvo@101.166.155.98] has joined #openttd 04:18:03 *** montalvo [~montalvo@101.166.155.98] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzâŠ] 04:22:13 *** montalvo [~montalvo@101.166.155.98] has joined #openttd 04:32:46 <SamanthaD> The options warn that a large station spread is bad for performance... What exactly constitutes a "large station spread" 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD553A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67332.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:16:33 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.40.2.199] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:35:07 *** Jomann [~abchirk@g229104165.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:46:52 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.75.224] has joined #openttd 06:26:05 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc22-aztw25-2-0-cust272.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 06:26:58 <Eddi|zuHause> SamanthaD: i think that warning is outdated 06:27:29 *** tst [~id@37.140.99.39] has joined #openttd 06:27:43 <SamanthaD> Eddi:zuHause: Much obliged! 06:28:23 <Eddi|zuHause> the algorithm behind it was changed to something less dependent on the actual size 06:28:59 <Eddi|zuHause> so it might (and will) still be slower, but not by much 06:31:50 <SamanthaD> okay! 06:32:05 <SamanthaD> I'll just blame the slowdown on my lousy processor and my obscene amount of vehicles ;) 06:33:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc22-aztw25-2-0-cust272.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 06:35:31 *** tst [~id@37.140.99.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:35:55 *** tst [~id@37.140.99.39] has joined #openttd 06:36:21 *** pugi [~pugi@dyndsl-091-096-051-027.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 06:38:07 *** montalvo [~montalvo@101.166.155.98] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzâŠ] 06:40:37 *** montalvo [~montalvo@101.166.155.98] has joined #openttd 06:44:11 <Eddi|zuHause> SamanthaD: well if you really want to know what's making your game slow, run a profiler 06:44:29 *** tst [~id@37.140.99.39] has quit [] 06:52:34 *** montalvo [~montalvo@101.166.155.98] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzâŠ] 07:07:37 *** tst [~id@37.140.99.39] has joined #openttd 07:16:06 <planetmaker> moin 07:22:51 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #openttd 07:36:27 <krinn> morning 07:37:02 <peter1139> http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1jk1gz/sourceforge_starts_using_enhanced_adware/ 07:37:44 *** Pol [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 07:37:44 <peter1139> sourceforge obsoleted themselves ;p 07:41:06 <krinn> they do times ago already with the lame "block this country" 07:42:59 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:44:27 <SamanthaD> sup! 07:45:02 <SamanthaD> What the heck is Sourceforge up to?! 07:47:25 <peter1139> krinn, alright, obsoleted themselves further :) 07:48:23 <SamanthaD> This is an outrage! 07:48:49 <krinn> loose freedom always start "soft", once done and it's "admit"; next step coming, looks like soundforge just goes one step futher 07:49:46 <SamanthaD> I blame Ubuntu 07:51:00 <SamanthaD> well... I guess not just them 07:51:32 <krinn> well, it's hard to not include redhat with ubuntu 07:51:52 <SamanthaD> point is, over the last 5-7 years I've noticed a marked depreciation of what software freedom seems to mean to a lot of projects 07:51:52 <Eddi|zuHause> it's all Obamas fault! 07:52:12 <SamanthaD> krinn: At least Fedora has a pretty strict policy toward free software 07:52:18 <krinn> yeah but michelle's fault ! 07:52:44 <krinn> fedora is the worst SamanthaD :) 07:53:18 <SamanthaD> I'm not saying it's any GOOD, I'm just saying it has a strict no-proprietary-software (except for drivers) policy 07:53:23 <peter1139> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge 07:53:31 <peter1139> anyone else hoping that won't make it? :p 07:54:04 <SamanthaD> Me! 07:54:23 <SamanthaD> though... I kinda like the idea of using a phone as a desktop... 07:54:30 <SamanthaD> HOWEVER 07:54:42 <SamanthaD> that being said... the desktop will be running Unity so they can freaking keep it 07:55:05 * SamanthaD wonders what an XFCE cellphone interface would be like... 07:59:10 <krinn> that thing will never works, if i want a phone where i need to pay anytime i click on the wrong button, i would use an iphone that would do the same, but with a nice touch 07:59:59 <SamanthaD> Gotta love how iOS is based on free code yet they ban free licenses in the app store ;) 08:00:27 <peter1139> technically they don't ban it 08:00:47 <peter1139> it's just incompatible 08:01:01 <planetmaker> yeah, SamanthaD :-) 08:02:16 <krinn> i prefer they ban them, than making them pay to get 08:03:09 <Zuu> krinn: Just don't connect your apple/google account with a credit card, and it will not charge you. 08:03:11 <SamanthaD> selling free software is fine so long as you don't strip away the freedoms 08:03:28 <SamanthaD> that being said, using DRM to force people to pay for something they could have otherwise gotten for free isn't 08:03:38 <krinn> SamanthaD, money is a drm 08:04:06 <SamanthaD> heh 08:04:39 <SamanthaD> IIRC RMS used to sell emacs for 200 bucks a pop back in the 80's 08:05:19 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-210-133-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 08:05:28 <SamanthaD> gotta love emacs... 08:05:40 <SamanthaD> GNU: We needed an operating system to host our operating system! 08:06:00 <krinn> :) 08:06:49 <peter1139> bah at stupid drivers not supporting suspend/resume :( 08:07:00 <krinn> Zuu, didn't knew this (never own apple product myself, not a big fan) 08:07:39 <SamanthaD> peter1139: why don't you configure your computer to unload the module when going to suspend? 08:08:10 <SamanthaD> peter1139: I have to do that with my wireless driver because of its evil buggy binary blob 08:08:51 <peter1139> because it's a sound driver, and it's often in use by jackd at the time 08:09:19 <SamanthaD> peter1139: kill jack, unload driver, suspend. resume, reload driver, start jack? 08:09:38 <peter1139> kill jack and all its clients? :S 08:09:48 <SamanthaD> ah... point 08:10:06 <krinn> if you go on suspend, what will happen to jack's client anyway 08:10:18 <SamanthaD> supposedly the computer crashes ;) 08:10:29 <peter1139> krinn, paused until resume 08:11:38 <SamanthaD> I could be talking out my backside here but doesn't JACK use a client/server configuration where the module that connects to the clients and the module that outputs to ALSA are separate? 08:12:30 <krinn> i don't see why you use a server to provide services to client that can suspend :) 08:13:04 <SamanthaD> krinn: lots of systems work that way in Unix land. Look at CUPS, for example 08:13:08 <SamanthaD> and PulseAudio works that way... 08:13:50 <SamanthaD> peter1139: what I'm thinking is maybe you could tell Jack to switch to a null source and sink then unload the module that services your sound card. 08:14:10 <SamanthaD> and then on restore you could tell Jack to reload the module then switch to the real sink/source 08:14:37 <peter1139> pain in the arse cos that needs jack2, and you lose all the hardware connections 08:14:43 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.153.126] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212]] 08:14:55 <SamanthaD> hmm 08:15:15 <peter1139> if i knew enough about drivers i'd try fixing it :S 08:15:43 <SamanthaD> peter1139: I'll bet you a drink if we ever meet up that the driver is a binary blob 08:16:00 <peter1139> new 08:16:02 <peter1139> p 08:16:10 <SamanthaD> damn... no drink for me 08:16:33 <SamanthaD> what driver, by the way? 08:16:37 <Eddi|zuHause> a binary binary large object? 08:16:40 <Zuu> krinn: Neither a big fan of apple, but it given their market share, it is a device that is useful to have some knowledge about. 08:17:05 <Eddi|zuHause> is that like a Deutsche Bahn Bahn? 08:18:35 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host241-234-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 08:18:40 <Wolf01> moin 08:18:43 *** Devroush [~dennis@91.181.169.81] has joined #openttd 08:19:16 <SamanthaD> Zuu: Run FreeBSD over a Mach kernel and I guarantee you you'll know more about Apple projects than 99.9999% of apple fanboys without ever touching one of their projects! 08:19:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm getting tired of "moin", we should move over to "tach" 08:19:32 <SamanthaD> products! not projects 08:20:16 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19DF7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:22:59 <planetmaker> nah, that's reserved for people from your region ;-) 08:24:26 <SamanthaD> what the heck is "tach" anyway?! 08:24:43 <krinn> the "moin" for northern? 08:25:27 <planetmaker> krinn, wrong. The 'moin' for non-northerners 08:25:45 <Eddi|zuHause> depends on what you call "north" 08:26:07 <planetmaker> You can't get much further north than the origin-area of 'north' wrt German language region 08:26:16 <planetmaker> s/much//g 08:26:32 <planetmaker> which basically is the North sea coast 08:27:03 <Eddi|zuHause> for a bavarian, it's all "saupreuÃen" 08:27:04 <krinn> where i live you're all northern :) 08:27:31 <SamanthaD> krinn: where might that be? 08:27:45 <krinn> south france 08:27:52 <SamanthaD> I'm south of you! :D 08:28:01 <SamanthaD> <- California, USA 08:28:40 <krinn> well, maybe technically, but i would resume your position to "far left of me" :) 08:29:28 <Eddi|zuHause> to the left of me would be south 08:29:31 <planetmaker> left, krinn ? http://flourish.org/upsidedownmap/mcarthur-large.jpg 08:29:51 <krinn> :) planetmaker 08:29:55 * SamanthaD tries to figure out which way she's pointed 08:30:12 <SamanthaD> oh, you're dead ahead of me! 08:30:24 <Wolf01> about north vs south and such, do you know a simple "mapping" software which allows to create a view with spatial points in 3D? I don't need the graphic map, sust see the distribution of the points... it it was only 2D I would have used excel :P 08:30:25 <Eddi|zuHause> with the slight tendency towards southeast 08:30:53 <Wolf01> s/sust/just 08:31:13 <SamanthaD> Wolf01: You want to create a cloud of points in space? 08:31:20 <Wolf01> yes 08:31:34 <SamanthaD> Wolf01: Blender? 08:31:44 <Eddi|zuHause> 10 years ago i'd have said mathematica 08:31:57 <Eddi|zuHause> but i forgot everything about it 08:32:04 <planetmaker> even excel could do that somewhat. I'd go for origin possibly until I did do all this stuff using IDL ;-) 08:32:12 <Wolf01> mmm I could try with sMath studio 08:32:22 <SamanthaD> Oh god... there's a GNU project like Mathematica... *tries to think of name* 08:32:41 <planetmaker> gnuplot? ;-) gld? 08:32:46 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, there are plenty of ways to make a 3D view of something 08:32:48 <planetmaker> *gdl 08:33:19 <planetmaker> http://gnudatalanguage.sourceforge.net/ 08:34:42 <SamanthaD> planetmaker: now... what were we JUST talking about?! ;) 08:34:51 * SamanthaD points at the SF link 08:35:00 <planetmaker> :-) 08:35:08 <SamanthaD> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxima_%28software%29 08:35:10 <SamanthaD> maybe that? 08:35:14 <SamanthaD> it's written in LISP 08:35:16 <SamanthaD> and I love Lisp 08:35:36 <planetmaker> sounds like ... a very valid reason for a programme to use ;-) 08:36:09 <krinn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematica#See_also and you get a list of similar programs 08:36:11 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: btw that map reminds me of sitting at the "wrong" side of the risk board :p 08:36:22 <planetmaker> :-) true 08:36:48 <SamanthaD> I don't know how it's actually executed though... Lisp isn't all that great in the hands of an undisciplined programmer in love with side-effects ;) 08:38:45 <krinn> you can make it using an abacus too, but i'm not sure he was seeking something like that :) 08:39:44 <SamanthaD> krinn: No... I don't think you can. He needs graphics. For that you need pipe cleaners and marshmellows. 08:40:09 <Eddi|zuHause> it's fairly easy to make excel do a matrix transformation so you can make a 2D-plot of your 3D-locations from different directions 08:40:51 *** Aristide [~quassel@ALyon-156-1-163-236.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 08:41:16 <krinn> SamanthaD, better use m&ms they are easier to handle than marshmellows 08:41:36 <Wolf01> gah, software set with Deutsch language 08:41:38 <SamanthaD> krinn: Yeah, but you can't impale them on the wires! 08:41:55 <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: never had a problem with that :p 08:42:00 <krinn> SamanthaD, you always want to crush, impale or destroy anything 08:42:57 <SamanthaD> I suddenly have the urge to build marshmellow/toothpick bridges... 08:43:41 <krinn> SamanthaD, you would do wonder as hunter here, with their modo "if it move, shoot it : if it was your wife, have a drink, if it was your dog, cry" 08:44:14 <SamanthaD> >.< 08:44:28 <krinn> yeah i know, it's sad for the dog 08:44:46 <Wolf01> "For documentation of the plugin functions see german Handbook. This handbook is in german but has examples for many functions." 08:45:01 <SamanthaD> krinn: you never did stuff like this? http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/photos/uncategorized/2008/02/13/marshmallow_2.jpg 08:45:34 <krinn> tried... 08:45:46 <krinn> ... but stopped after taking too much fat eating them 08:46:01 <SamanthaD> Wolf01: For hilarious results, run the documentation through Google Translate and hack away ;) 08:46:45 <SamanthaD> krinn: When I was little I'd devour my structures so fast sometimes I got my mouth stabbed by a toothpick I missed. 08:48:01 <krinn> lol SamanthaD 08:52:12 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-150-25-188.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:56:49 <Eddi|zuHause> SamanthaD: we generally use different materials for that stuff: http://www.paulsmama.de/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/KastanienmÀnnchen_phc.jpg 08:57:19 <SamanthaD> Glee! That's awesome! 08:59:09 <Eddi|zuHause> http://de.academic.ru/pictures/dewiki/67/Chestnut_animal.jpg 08:59:50 <krinn> don't smoke near that one 09:00:24 *** Ristovski [~rafael@ppp-seco11pa2-46-193-128.78.wb.wifirst.net] has joined #openttd 09:00:31 *** Aristide [~quassel@ALyon-156-1-163-236.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:01:11 <krinn> i just tried the auto-translate in youtube, it's impressive, but as it's far from perfect, it's also funny, ever try it ? 09:03:59 <SamanthaD> no, but I've used the website translator thingy 09:05:25 <SamanthaD> how do you get the toothpicks to stick in the chestnuts?! 09:09:37 <planetmaker> they're soft enough if not dried (yet) 09:10:56 <SamanthaD> oh, I see 09:11:07 <SamanthaD> we don't typically get fresh chestnuts in the states 09:11:36 <SamanthaD> the American chestnut tree almost went extinct 09:11:44 <SamanthaD> chestnut blight 09:12:00 <SamanthaD> course... 100 years ago there were more chestnuts than you could shake a stick at! 09:12:43 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:13:24 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 09:20:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc22-aztw25-2-0-cust272.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:20:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i never use youtube. what auto-translate? 09:21:56 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590d50d0.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:23:08 <andythenorth> o/ 09:23:14 <krinn> it detect speech in movie 09:23:20 <krinn> detect then the language 09:23:23 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.186.17.47.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: Quit message has been created to spam purpose. True history. (www.adiirc.com)] 09:23:28 <krinn> and allow you to translate it 09:23:55 <krinn> funny has it do mistakes, you can guess why. but it still impressive 09:27:09 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-190-231.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 09:27:39 <krinn> as of course each fail at hearing proper words in its native language will add a fail at translate that have itself its fail... 09:27:41 <Eddi|zuHause> so if i were to give you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7rZYwoPMPw you could understand what they're saying? 09:27:51 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc22-aztw25-2-0-cust272.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:28:17 <krinn> let's see :) 09:29:52 <krinn> they speak about doing movie? 09:30:02 <Eddi|zuHause> no 09:30:06 <krinn> lol 09:30:18 <Eddi|zuHause> they speak about mosquitos 09:31:13 <krinn> even with the info it's impossible to guess 09:32:25 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:32:41 <krinn> Eddi|zuHause, hit captions option, you'll find the translate there 09:34:26 <Eddi|zuHause> even the untranslated subtitles are totally wrong... 09:34:48 <krinn> yeah so the translate is worst 09:35:18 <krinn> i didn't it was top, i said it was technically impressive but funny as it fail 09:35:18 <Eddi|zuHause> really, it has pretty much no correlation to what they're saying :p 09:36:55 <krinn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q00jiJrDqY try this one in german :) 09:37:06 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 09:41:07 <frosch123> the perfect european cooks like a english, drives like a french, is humourus like a german, ... 09:41:45 <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't try the translation, but i'm pretty certain that what the french subtitle says is not what they are saying, from what little my of my rusty french is left :p 09:42:21 <krinn> frosch123, :) 09:42:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i do understand this one, however :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmc4XAHs_Wc 09:43:23 <krinn> and i don't :) 09:46:01 <krinn> if your french is good enough, you'll die with that one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGCbpDPcpC0 09:46:30 <Zuu> The automatic closed captions are quite bad. I wonder if they even make the situation worse so that uploaders beleaive that they got CC while the quality is soo bad that they really should upload their own CC if they cared about the quality. 09:48:10 <krinn> i'm not sure many use the caption or the translate caption options 09:53:05 <SamanthaD> anyway... I'm going to hit hte hay 09:53:07 <SamanthaD> night everyone 09:53:18 <krinn> night SamanthaD 09:53:26 *** SamanthaD [~SamanthaD@c-98-248-25-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:54:10 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: my french is good enough to recognize the structure of the language, but not the words... 09:54:57 *** Pol [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:55:25 <krinn> harder because they speak with canadian accent, but easier as the speech is about the questions that are wrote on screen 09:57:15 *** tst [~id@37.140.99.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:57:47 *** tst [~id@173.245.67.50] has joined #openttd 09:58:48 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i get only a tiny fraction of the jokes 09:59:55 <Eddi|zuHause> he can't really keep a straight face at the end :) 10:00:41 <krinn> yeah this one is really hilarous 10:02:29 <krinn> he asked him: what will you do if you win the million dollar ? answer: "going to the hookers", and he reply : "ah yes, that would make a lot of hookers" 10:03:01 <Eddi|zuHause> what's what he said at the end after the noise? 10:04:14 <krinn> he says his "tank" is not well park, another canadian<>french jokes, as no french will use "tank" to speak about his car 10:04:50 <krinn> they did it also with "computer", no french will use it but use "ordinateur" instead, a canadian<>french joke 10:05:24 <krinn> by canadian i mean quebec 10:05:28 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:06:25 <Eddi|zuHause> well obviously they wouldn't be speaking french in ontario :p 10:06:44 *** tsss [~id@46.16.33.130] has joined #openttd 10:08:43 <krinn> i know (but didn't want offend canadians) 10:09:49 <Eddi|zuHause> well the only canadian we have is quebecoise :) 10:10:46 <Eddi|zuHause> and he's only online at work hours, so you have until tomorrow 15:00 :) 10:11:02 <krinn> only 1, so it's ok to offend them :) 10:11:18 <krinn> if that candian is a "he", he is quebecois 10:11:37 <Eddi|zuHause> probably 10:11:44 *** tst [~id@173.245.67.50] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 10:11:45 <krinn> adding the "e" makes him a female 10:12:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think it's that easy :p 10:12:39 <krinn> it's a bit hard sometimes in english because of that lack of male/female knowledge 10:13:09 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not english 10:13:54 <krinn> I don't think any european language is as poor as english 10:16:01 <Eddi|zuHause> well, english was created as a hybrid language, with everything that is stupid about every european language filtered out 10:16:22 <Eddi|zuHause> only it's made from the wrong resulting set :p 10:16:29 <krinn> :D 10:19:33 * krinn wonder how many english now loves Eddi|zuHause & krinn here 10:32:14 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:32:15 <planetmaker> can be anything else said of any other European language? 10:34:21 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Quit: reboot] 10:36:09 <krinn> sure, german use too much letters for a word, i think realtime transcript to german can kill the guy who is making it 10:41:30 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 10:42:24 *** tsss [~id@46.16.33.130] has quit [] 10:48:21 <Eddi|zuHause> realtime german to french is impossible, because a word at the end might change the meaning of a word in the beginning :) 10:48:54 <Eddi|zuHause> so you need the whole sentence before you can begin translating :) 10:49:42 <Wolf01> sounds like chinese, where you can read a sentence ltr or rtl, with a similar meaning or a complete different meaning 10:51:02 <Eddi|zuHause> it's like translating binary into decimal, if you have the number 0.00110011... you can't decide whether to write out 0.1or 0.2, because if there's ever a surplus 0 it's 0.1xxx if there's a surplus 1 it's 0.2xxx 10:51:58 <Eddi|zuHause> if it's periodic it's 0.2 10:56:48 <krinn> i don't know how they make it, must use some kind of smaller set or cryptic coding then (like phonem writing) 11:35:51 *** Devroush367 [~dennis@91.181.169.81] has joined #openttd 11:38:49 *** Devroush [~dennis@91.181.169.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:58:01 <Eddi|zuHause> http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q71/561823_537298512991183_717048645_n.jpg 12:00:14 <krinn> a good one, but it might also mean God use nokia :) 12:01:14 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the main joke is "nokia is ancient" 12:01:46 <krinn> unsure, i was thinking it's about its weight 12:02:21 <krinn> lmao but the two are ok : ancient and heavy 12:02:35 *** andythenorth [~andytheno@2002:4d67:4d11:0:65a3:da65:1495:2bdd] has joined #openttd 12:03:12 <andythenorth> This week the Indonesian Road Vehicle set is my favourite forum thing 12:04:11 <Eddi|zuHause> it pains me every time i look at it 12:04:30 <frosch123> he, they use si units for stats 12:05:06 <Eddi|zuHause> like, is that just a language barrier thing or does he really not get what people are saying 12:06:07 <michi_cc> Maybe we don't get what he is saying? :p 12:06:13 <andythenorth> I think he's just having fun, doing his own thing :) 12:08:13 <frosch123> yeah, don't critisize artists 12:08:28 <frosch123> i don't see much difference in posting photos compared to teaser graphics 12:08:34 <krinn> i love the one from SquireJames 12:09:01 <frosch123> i am just stunned that the thread uses m/s as speed unit 12:09:22 <frosch123> well, and that most of the photos are more like personal/small cars 12:09:52 <Eddi|zuHause> oh he even has a banner in the signature 12:10:36 <frosch123> @calc 24*3.6 12:10:37 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 86.4 12:10:41 <frosch123> @calc 26*3.6 12:10:42 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 93.6 12:10:44 <frosch123> @calc 27*3.6 12:10:45 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 97.2 12:10:59 <frosch123> are those speed limits by law? 12:11:15 <Eddi|zuHause> no idea 12:11:34 <Eddi|zuHause> even in the 1930s cars went faster than that 12:13:37 <krinn> does he have anything to do with world airliners set ? 12:13:58 <Eddi|zuHause> he posted some stuff in the thread 12:14:15 <Eddi|zuHause> but i don't think it was more than "here i have picture for livery" 12:14:53 <krinn> oh, so if i post to a patch thread, "i opened it with notepad and it work", i can put in my sig that a banner to that patch too? 12:15:33 <Eddi|zuHause> and there were a few other threads in the style of "this is the X set, please make graphics and code it" 12:16:19 <krinn> i will make the "indonesian babes set", at least i will enjoy his contribution 12:17:38 <Eddi|zuHause> if there was a "ingore this thread" feature, i would put the WAS thread on that 12:18:22 <Eddi|zuHause> there can't possibly be something interesting in there ever... 12:20:52 <krinn> m/s meter or miles /seconds ? 12:21:54 <Eddi|zuHause> miles would be funny :p 12:22:28 <Eddi|zuHause> "this car is 100 times faster than speed of sound" 12:26:23 <krinn> better than the 100km/h limit :) 12:31:13 <Eddi|zuHause> that would be the limit here, too, if it were up to the green party 12:32:10 <krinn> better do like french: put the limit, but not on engines, and put cops to ticket them, nearly the same but you get lot of money 12:34:49 <Eddi|zuHause> the story some people told me that when they tried to pay their highway toll, it suddenly made a bright light while they were standing there putting the billet in 12:35:06 <planetmaker> 100x faster than speed of sound? That's... likely not a car 12:35:09 <Eddi|zuHause> because apparently they took "too little" time for the route 12:35:45 <Eddi|zuHause> no idea if they actually ever got a speeding ticket 12:35:46 <krinn> yeah they add "part radar" checker, that calc your speed from X to Y 12:36:11 <Eddi|zuHause> not much "radar" involved :p 12:36:31 <krinn> the ticket have the time on it too 12:36:43 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, that reminds me on one time I drove like Orleans-Paris. A shiny Porsche overtook us. Except at the next toll booth he seemed to have a longer conversation with police while we just passed there ;-) 12:36:46 <Eddi|zuHause> and the morale of the story: add a break inbetween :p 12:37:20 <planetmaker> and they indeed might not use radar. But simply the ticket times on those highways 12:37:31 <krinn> one of the highest speedy guy caught by cops here didn't have his ticket :) 12:37:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A816.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:37:38 <planetmaker> :-) 12:37:44 <krinn> was alain prost on a ferrari but didn't remember the model 12:38:22 <Eddi|zuHause> what actually happens if you enter the toll booth and say "i lost my ticket"? 12:38:40 <planetmaker> you probably go to the manual barrier. And pay the longest possible route 12:39:02 <Eddi|zuHause> but that would "save" you the speeding ticket :) 12:39:13 <planetmaker> dunno. do try :-P 12:39:17 <krinn> planetmaker, no, you'll pay the longest possible route and an extra 12:39:30 <planetmaker> might still be better than the speeding ticket ;-) 12:39:33 <krinn> why? (well, just because they can) 12:40:03 <krinn> the speeding ticket isn't the problem (as long as you got the money), the judge is 12:40:20 <krinn> (lol or not if you have really lot of money) 12:40:40 <Eddi|zuHause> the parking lot at our cinema charges 8⬠for lost ticket (about a day rate of parking) 12:41:06 <planetmaker> so it's efficient if you park longer ;-) 12:42:00 <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: well, the point is, if you don't have the ticket, they don't have the time necessary to calculate whether you were speeding 12:42:20 <planetmaker> unless they used radar :D 12:42:24 <krinn> except they add radar in between that do that too 12:42:59 <krinn> as people use device to tell where radars were, they add range radar that check from radar1 to radar2 distance and time taken 12:45:14 <krinn> that country is quiet good at giving tickets :) 12:46:02 <krinn> http://www.lefigaro.fr/automobile/2013/04/05/30002-20130405ARTFIG00421-le-palmares-des-radars-en-france.php 12:46:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19DF7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:46:29 <krinn> 21,2 millions flashs in 2012... 12:47:25 <krinn> for like ~70 or 80 millions people (dunno we must be close to that), and not all are drivers 12:49:03 <Rubidium> krinn: more like 65 12:49:24 <Eddi|zuHause> plus all the tourists? 12:50:03 <krinn> yes should add tourists 12:50:10 <krinn> but that's quiet good still no? 12:51:55 <krinn> autobahn ffs! 12:52:39 <Rubidium> autobahn? where? 12:52:43 <Eddi|zuHause> not found a similar statistics, but this is the amount of "fixed" radar places: http://www.radarfalle.de/radarfallen/statistik.php 12:52:52 <Rubidium> those few bits between the "baustelle" 12:53:32 <Eddi|zuHause> then there are also spontaneous checks by the police, where they stand on the side of the road for a few hours 12:54:31 <krinn> we have it too, else tourist are never ticket as radar just drop the ticket for tourist 12:54:36 *** MrShell [~mrshell@HSI-KBW-5-56-195-183.hsi17.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de] has joined #openttd 12:55:27 <krinn> what the 2 columns mean ? anlagen insgesamt & davon mit winkelangaben 12:57:08 *** Theophillus is now known as TheDude 12:57:16 <Eddi|zuHause> "total", "with angle" 12:57:41 <krinn> you mean bayern took only 89 flash ? 12:58:01 <Eddi|zuHause> no, they have 89 devices installed 12:58:12 <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't say how often they flash 12:58:17 <krinn> oh 12:58:59 <krinn> total 3979 radars so ? 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16:58:29 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6A816.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:59:18 *** DarkAce-Z is now known as DarkAceZ 16:59:40 <frosch123> someone with more oO than other letters in the nickname 17:01:30 *** Tom_Soft [~id@37.140.99.39] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:03:34 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A816.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:30:07 *** amiller [~amiller@pool-96-255-47-217.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:32:50 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:32:53 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:39:14 <krinn> people just download a lib because they can ? 17:41:58 <krinn> i have two projects that use the lib, and the two aren't in bananas, so nothing depend on the lib yet, but already 100 people download it... 17:41:58 <frosch123> people download everything because they can 17:42:21 <frosch123> it's a tedious hand infection 17:42:25 <frosch123> you have to click everything 17:42:48 <krinn> maybe you can get crazy with newGRF and new pictures... but an ai lib ? 17:43:14 <Eddi|zuHause> should make a reality-tv show: "Internet Hoarders" 17:44:33 <krinn> 99 times with 0 usage (i suppose 6-10 get it for legit reason : use it or look at it) 17:45:17 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25649 trunk/src/lang/estonian.txt (2013-08-04 17:45:10 UTC) 17:45:18 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:19 <DorpsGek> estonian - 54 changes by KSiimson 17:45:37 <frosch123> krinn: there were online servers which used "debug vehicles" 17:45:49 <krinn> lol 17:46:02 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:46:28 <Eddi|zuHause> i should really finish my "not-so-debug" vehicles somewhen :/ 17:46:52 <krinn> i never put aivehicletest to bananas to not mistake users that may think it's an ai. Now i see i was really really more than right 17:57:59 <Zuu> krinn: That has happened to me several times before. :-) 17:58:14 <Zuu> (higher library download count) 17:58:37 <Zuu> I have stopped to care about that.. 17:58:53 <krinn> people are kinda weirds, bandwith, hdd space, they care about nothing 18:00:45 <Zuu> 9 k downloads of Beginner Tutorial scenario; 17 k downloads of the tutorial GS; 20 k dowloads of the ship AI for the tutorial. 18:00:56 <Zuu> Both the GS and the AI is pretty useless without the scenario. 18:01:01 <krinn> lmao 18:01:19 <Zuu> The AI is hidden unless you have the ai_developer_tools activated. :-) 18:01:29 <Zuu> Same for the GS 18:01:41 <krinn> so it's just if (AI || GS) in "name" hit download , 18:03:47 <Zuu> Or people downloading all AIs, because evil people at the forums don't want to recommend them any AI but instead tell them to try all and see which one they like themself. :-p 18:04:08 <krinn> ok for AI, but GS/AI LIB ? 18:04:23 <frosch123> what's a lib? 18:04:38 <frosch123> i see many things called lib. is it some corporate project? 18:05:24 <Zuu> Or they just get all to not miss anything. 18:05:37 <krinn> I think they are like "OMG new superlib, download it so all AIs run faster" :P 18:05:49 <Zuu> :-D 18:06:34 <Zuu> And all they get is a collection of sub libraries :-) 18:07:26 <krinn> maybe openttd should add a checkbox for dependencies : check it to see and download what you want, keep it uncheck openttd will pickup what it need itself? 18:08:02 <Zuu> What do you mean? 18:08:15 <krinn> unless checked, libraries remain hidden 18:08:22 <Zuu> Should users be able to download something without libraries? 18:08:35 <krinn> people would need to check to see them (because it's rare case someone need an old version) 18:09:11 <Zuu> Once a library has been marked for download it should be visible, but it can otherwise be hidden. 18:09:37 <krinn> that's it, mark for download to met a dependency, else hidden 18:09:45 <Zuu> It would be most usefull to remove the AI/GS libs from the scenario list :-) 18:11:31 <Zuu> Before the first scenario, no less than 16 AIs/GSs and their libraries are displayed. (if you open online content form the play scenario dialog) 18:11:56 <Zuu> And I guess all of those are my fault. :-) 18:12:40 <krinn> :) 18:13:03 <Zuu> That said, there is also 14 NewGRFs after AIs/GSs but before the scenarios. 18:13:26 <krinn> is it because they are dep of some scenario ? 18:13:31 <Zuu> yep 18:13:51 <krinn> ah, maybe the hide dep isn't a bad option than 18:13:57 <Zuu> And since 'S' in Scenario is later in the alphabet than all the dependencies, the deps are shown above. 18:15:14 <krinn> don't get mad at it, it's cosmetic, better having a downloader that work, and right now, it works 18:24:24 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:24:27 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:24:35 <frosch123> o/ 18:24:43 <Alberth> hi hi 18:24:54 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A816.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:24:57 <krinn> yop 18:26:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr2 [~Flex@i59F6A816.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:27:30 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6A816.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:32:56 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A816.versanet.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:33:02 *** Aristide [~quassel@ALyon-156-1-204-132.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:33:33 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 18:33:46 *** koudy_ [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:35:40 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.186.17.47.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 18:40:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc22-aztw25-2-0-cust272.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:41:44 <andythenorth> o/ 18:42:52 <Alberth> \o 18:43:31 <andythenorth> ho 18:43:41 <andythenorth> I have a whole 364 days left to vote 18:44:11 <frosch123> i think there should not have been a "no" option 18:44:32 <frosch123> otoh you need something to click for the kids who want to click something 18:45:02 <andythenorth> I might vote yes 18:45:28 <andythenorth> let's think about it 18:47:38 <planetmaker> 'lo andythenorth 18:49:38 * planetmaker wonders what might be up to vote :D 18:49:51 <Alberth> apparently a boolean :) 18:50:29 <Alberth> planetmaker: we'll find out somewhen in the next 364 days :p 18:50:41 <planetmaker> :-) maybe the "do you still play..." question 18:51:57 <frosch123> i wonder what result we would get if we would ask that question in this channel? :p 18:52:39 <Alberth> a discussion about the semantics of "play" :) 18:55:37 <Aristide> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/08/04/20130803_194534.jpg xD 18:55:39 <Aristide> This cat is ... 18:55:41 <Aristide> Hi x) 18:56:29 <frosch123> do you know #tycoon ? 18:57:46 <Aristide> No 18:58:14 <frosch123> they love cat pictures 18:59:59 * Alberth also loves upside down cats, but I am not allowed to discuss them 19:00:32 <V453000> :d 19:00:34 <krinn> if the cat is upside down on rails 19:00:36 <Aristide> Alberth: :') 19:00:39 <Aristide> xD 19:01:11 <krinn> hi Aristide btw 19:01:37 <Aristide> Hi krinn :) 19:02:08 <Alberth> Aristide: you can also try the off-topic forum at tt-f 19:02:16 <Aristide> Alberth: What channel ? 19:02:20 <Aristide> Oh ! 19:02:23 <Aristide> Sorry, Forum x) 19:02:26 <krinn> hmmm, on forum 19:02:37 <krinn> in irc, i'm afraid to speak about cats, it should be #gays 19:02:44 <Aristide> x) 19:03:01 <Aristide> I'm not Gay ... I Juste love myself 19:03:06 <Aristide> *just 19:03:12 <Aristide> :( 19:04:06 <krinn> looks like some vandam cite : "I understand why gays love my body, gays love beauty" 19:04:53 <Aristide> xD 19:05:00 <V453000> CATS AINT GAY =[ 19:06:01 <krinn> no but gays love cats 19:06:17 <Aristide> I love cats and me 19:06:27 <Aristide> Dogs are faggots :x 19:06:32 * Aristide run away ... far far away 19:06:48 <krinn> Aristide, the real one is here -> http://www.echolaliste.com/x28.htm seek "L'homosexualité" 19:07:45 <Aristide> " Une noisette, j'la casse entre mes fesses tu vois... " 19:07:46 <Aristide> ... 19:08:58 <Alberth> no idea what that means, so I'll refrain from any comments 19:09:12 <andythenorth> how do I do /ignore again? 19:09:17 <andythenorth> is it with /kban ? 19:09:37 <frosch123> @op andythenorth 19:09:40 *** mode/#openttd [+o andythenorth] by DorpsGek 19:09:40 <frosch123> maybe :) 19:09:48 <andythenorth> oh no :( 19:10:06 <Aristide> xD 19:10:14 <Aristide> !op Aristide 19:10:16 <Aristide> :( 19:10:32 <frosch123> it does not work on yourself 19:10:37 <frosch123> and it's @ 19:11:03 <Aristide> @god Aristide 19:11:18 <Aristide> Oh so okay ... (God mode is already set on Aristide) 19:11:20 <krinn> better write it God else we may think 19:11:41 <andythenorth> hey it's Gromit http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=445834&nseq=8 19:12:35 <frosch123> andythenorth: make a new object grf :) 19:12:42 <frosch123> put grommits all over the map 19:12:45 <andythenorth> I'd need 80 gromit tiles 19:12:54 <andythenorth> the paddington one is all sad and lonely, I saw him last week 19:13:37 <Alberth> this one looks nice and shiny 19:14:07 <frosch123> i think toyland needs some newobject grfs 19:14:14 <frosch123> with cheeses or sausages 19:14:33 <andythenorth> what is toyland? 19:14:34 <Alberth> cheese cargo sounds good 19:14:48 <frosch123> hmm, i guess V is not interested in newobjects 19:14:55 * V453000 hereby declares andythenorth enemy 19:15:29 <Alberth> frosch123: grommit at rails? 19:15:31 <V453000> toyland is everything 19:15:43 *** andythenorth was kicked from #openttd by andythenorth [andythenorth] 19:15:49 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc22-aztw25-2-0-cust272.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 19:15:56 <Alberth> wb 19:15:56 <andythenorth> see, never give me op 19:16:32 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:17:08 * andythenorth had better do some work 19:17:18 <andythenorth> meanwhile... http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=445831&nseq=15 19:18:25 <V453000> fuck is that 19:18:27 <V453000> that isnt toyland 19:18:37 <andythenorth> yellowland 19:19:08 <Alberth> temperate with day/night cycle :) 19:20:40 <andythenorth> hmm 19:20:43 <andythenorth> palette shift 19:24:08 <Alberth> good night 19:24:22 <andythenorth> bye 19:24:44 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 19:35:49 <MadaraUchiha> I need some help guys 19:36:27 <MadaraUchiha> I have the following train setup, and I want both trains to be able to dock at the same time: 19:36:30 <MadaraUchiha> (Hold on for SS) 19:36:36 <MadaraUchiha> http://i.imgur.com/5Mv66tK.jpg 19:36:52 <MadaraUchiha> I tried using path signals and I've crashed my trains twice now :P 19:37:54 <MadaraUchiha> So anyone for the rescue? :P 19:38:11 <krinn> can't you just build two lines ? 19:38:30 <MadaraUchiha> I could, but I want to learn how to link trains and use lights properly 19:38:56 <MadaraUchiha> I could just make interchanges for everything, but I want to be able to create networks. 19:40:03 <krinn> so add path signal before/after station and add another one before the x on both sides 19:41:31 <MadaraUchiha> Hold on, would you mind showing me that on a twiddla? 19:41:53 <frosch123> http://wiki.openttd.org/Path_signals#Path_Signals <- has all the examples you need 19:42:32 <MadaraUchiha> http://www.twiddla.com/1260059 19:42:43 <MadaraUchiha> @frosch123 I've read it, but not fully understood it. 19:43:02 <MadaraUchiha> And I thought, nothing better than an actual try/fail :P 19:44:24 <krinn> there's an option that color the rails with path choosen by the train, activate it, you'll see your understand will get boosted 19:44:34 <MadaraUchiha> I it activated! 19:44:42 <MadaraUchiha> And I still don't see much of a difference. 19:44:44 <MadaraUchiha> It is* 19:44:50 <krinn> lol sorry then 19:45:12 <MadaraUchiha> Show reserved tracks, right? 19:45:25 <krinn> i think it's that 19:45:28 <MadaraUchiha> This is with the option turned on, the picture that is. 19:46:26 <MadaraUchiha> Anyone willing to show me that on the picture? 19:46:33 <MadaraUchiha> http://www.twiddla.com/1260059 << you can draw on it here 19:55:56 *** amiller [~amiller@216-15-29-79.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #openttd 20:05:34 <Aristide> Hi again 20:07:15 <Aristide> http://www.lyonpatrimoine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/lyon-part-dieu-gare-sncf-1.jpg <3 20:08:56 <krinn> i don't see any cats, but someone has drop trash in front of the station 20:09:31 <Aristide> xD 20:10:09 <Aristide> krinn: The cat is under train 20:10:59 <Aristide> At the left, you can see a part of the subway entrance 20:10:59 <Aristide> :x 20:11:56 <krinn> at least this time, apple won't stole their clock design for sure 20:12:28 <Aristide> xD 20:12:46 <Aristide> Freetroll 20:12:49 <krinn> can't even read the time! 20:13:10 <Aristide> I can read the time :/ 20:13:25 <Aristide> Its 2:57 20:13:33 <Aristide> AM or PM I don't know :x 20:13:49 <krinn> oh the big red one is for minutes 20:14:07 <Aristide> :) 20:14:34 <krinn> i think it was for secs 20:15:21 <Aristide> Yes 20:15:38 <Aristide> http://photoenligne.free.fr/Rhone/Lyon/GarePartDieu/N14574.jpg And inside station 20:16:41 <krinn> sorry, totally ugly for me 20:16:47 <Aristide> For me too x) 20:17:00 <krinn> http://flavorwire.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/antwerp.png now that's a train station ! 20:17:08 <Aristide> But the station is waiting for renovation 20:17:30 <Aristide> Oyeah 20:17:33 <krinn> to get their crappy commercial inside ? 20:18:21 <Aristide> x) 20:20:06 *** amiller [~amiller@216-15-29-79.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:21:14 <Zuu> krinn: Is that the city that is prounced as "meluse" or "melose", but is probably spelled differently. 20:21:29 <krinn> mulhouse 20:22:14 <krinn> http://www.panoramio.com/photo_explorer#view=photo&position=3025&with_photo_id=11582309&order=date_desc&user=976711 20:22:19 <krinn> i know big link :( 20:22:33 <Aristide> Lyon has 6 gares... And France has 5886 gares in activity (2010) ... 20:22:34 <Aristide> Ok 20:22:39 <krinn> that's my station, look at right line, you can see it is elevated and curve so trains can past it fast without stopping :) 20:22:58 <Zuu> hmm, no not melhouse, but I think I've seen the station that you linked before, but can't remember where it was. 20:23:38 <krinn> Antwerp Central Station â Antwerp, Belgium 20:24:09 <krinn> http://flavorwire.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/antwerp2.png that's what i called a station ! 20:24:32 <Aristide> Oyeah 20:24:39 <Zuu> Hmm, no - I was thinking about Strasbourg. 20:25:38 <Zuu> Strasbourg now has a glas dome over the old entry, so it's hard to see on google street view. 20:26:37 <krinn> http://www-zope.ac-strasbourg.fr/sections/enseignements/secondaire/pedagogie/les_disciplines/histoire-geographie/histoire_des_arts/des_exemples_d_appli/des_documents_realis/downloadFile/photo/nouvelle-gare-strasbourg-258995.jpg 20:26:53 <Aristide> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2fRPRNdaUA This voice is sexy 20:26:58 <krinn> too modern for my taste 20:27:26 <Zuu> krinn: It has an old building inside 20:27:45 <krinn> yes, that's why it ruin it 20:28:26 *** amiller [~amiller@216-15-29-79.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #openttd 20:28:42 *** HerzogDeXtEr2 [~Flex@i59F6A816.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:29:11 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:30:49 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6A131.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:31:29 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 20:31:58 <krinn> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOdATLzRGHc seeing the cathenary at that speed, you know you don't want use that train tech to convoy you at such speed 20:32:38 <Aristide> OH A cat on rail 20:32:40 <Aristide> SPLASH ! 20:33:03 <krinn> i'm not sure you would have time to identify if it's a cat or something 20:34:25 <Aristide> x) 20:34:32 <Aristide> Yes its more ... "Oh a ... Nothing" 20:35:02 <frosch123> night 20:35:05 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590d50d0.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 20:37:03 <Aristide> krinn: Oh ! A splint ! 20:37:05 <Aristide> :D 20:37:07 <Aristide> </troll> 20:41:04 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc22-aztw25-2-0-cust272.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 20:41:06 <krinn> ok night all 20:41:11 <Aristide> krinn: Good night :) 20:41:18 *** krinn [~krinn@53.54.71.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:42:53 *** ST2 [~ST2@188.250.228.65] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:43:20 *** ST2 [~ST2@188.250.228.65] has joined #openttd 20:46:36 *** Devroush [~dennis@91.181.169.81] has joined #openttd 20:48:22 *** amiller [~amiller@216-15-29-79.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:51:03 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.153.126] has joined #openttd 20:51:16 *** Devroush367 [~dennis@91.181.169.81] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:52:45 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 21:04:11 <TWerkhoven> Xaroth? 21:04:15 *** amiller [~amiller@216-15-29-79.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #openttd 21:10:40 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@89.137.75.224] has quit [] 21:21:12 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19DF7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:23:33 *** megakacktus [~debussy@67-6-68-247.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #openttd 21:25:53 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:29:10 *** amiller [~amiller@216-15-29-79.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:31:08 <Xaroth|Work> TWerkhoven: 21:31:18 *** MadaraUchiha [~oftc-webi@95.35.51.25] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:31:46 <TWerkhoven> just created an issue 21:31:51 <Xaroth|Work> noticed 21:31:53 <TWerkhoven> for some reason i cannot use TrackingAdminClient 21:35:40 <Wolf01> 'night 21:35:44 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:38:46 <Xaroth|Work> hm 21:39:11 <Xaroth|Work> for some reason I can't reproduce the issue o_O 21:40:03 <Xaroth|Work> TWerkhoven: can you try from libottdadmin2.adminconnection import AdminConnection 21:41:41 <TWerkhoven> that works fine 21:41:44 <Xaroth|Work> o_O 21:41:49 <TWerkhoven> adminclient works fine too 21:41:54 <Xaroth|Work> AdminConnection._settable_args ? 21:41:57 <TWerkhoven> but soon as i try trackingclient it buggetrs 21:42:04 <Xaroth|Work> should yield ['version', 'password', 'name', 'host', 'port'] 21:43:09 *** amiller [~amiller@216-15-29-79.c3-0.161-ubr1.lnh-161.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #openttd 21:44:54 <Xaroth|Work> TWerkhoven: perhaps try a full remove (maybe some old .pyc files) and reinstall 21:44:56 <Xaroth|Work> of libottdadmin2 21:46:35 <TWerkhoven> ill try restarting the bot jsut now, reinstall lib tomorrow 21:50:10 <TWerkhoven> that seems to do the trick 21:50:23 <TWerkhoven> no more errors 21:50:27 <Xaroth|Work> restart or reinstall? 21:50:46 <TWerkhoven> restart of bot, as opposed to reloading the plugin 21:51:06 <TWerkhoven> it must keep the libs in memory even though my plugin is the only one using it 21:51:24 <Xaroth|Work> probably 21:51:33 <TWerkhoven> and unloading the plugin doesnt unload the lib 21:52:10 <Xaroth|Work> iirc for supybot you have to tell it what extra to unload 21:52:52 <TWerkhoven> could be, i did have to tell it to unload the accompanying config.py in order to refresh its contents 21:53:22 * TWerkhoven makes mental note to restart lestat on update of libottdadmin2 21:54:42 <Xaroth|Work> in __init__.py 21:54:46 <Xaroth|Work> you can specify what else to reload 21:55:49 <TWerkhoven> yeah, thats where i added config 21:55:59 <TWerkhoven> think reload(libottdadmin2) will be sufficient? 21:56:17 <Xaroth|Work> er, I'd go for the specific submodule 21:56:18 *** heffer [felix@hyperion.fk.cx] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 21:56:28 *** heffer [felix@hyperion.fk.cx] has joined #openttd 21:56:32 <TWerkhoven> k 21:56:47 <Xaroth|Work> libottdadmin2.trackingclient sub-imports all the packets etc anyhow 21:56:52 <TWerkhoven> ill have another read of the manual tomorrow 21:57:51 <TWerkhoven> sleepytime soon for me 21:57:57 <Xaroth|Work> same 21:57:59 <Xaroth|Work> almost midnight 21:58:00 <TWerkhoven> i think i have to work tomorrow 21:58:03 <TWerkhoven> 11 here 22:13:06 *** Devroush [~dennis@91.181.169.81] has quit [] 22:15:12 <TWerkhoven> gnite 22:16:51 <Xaroth|Work> nn 22:20:41 *** Zuu [~Zuu@h-114-141.a98.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:33:04 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.186.17.47.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: AdiIRC is updating to v1.9.2 Beta Build (040813-1) 64 Bit] 22:33:44 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.186.17.47.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 22:44:42 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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