Log for #openttd on 4th August 2013:
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00:01:40  <Eddi|zuHause> thanks for waiting 60s for an answer at 2AM
00:02:21  <NGC3982> It's the small things that makes IRC wonderfull.
00:03:40  <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: first time i had to build two weaving mills :)
00:04:22  <Eddi|zuHause> how many smiths you're supplying?
00:04:32  <frosch123> 3 armor
00:04:55  <Eddi|zuHause> i think the most i ever had was two
00:05:19  <frosch123> yeah, and usually it is hard to make them run at more than 50%
00:05:23  <frosch123> these are full load 100%
00:05:45  <Eddi|zuHause> usually what i'm lacking the most is melting capacity
00:05:55  <frosch123> never dreamt of 3 training camps at > 90%
00:06:15  <frosch123> 10 smelting works :p
00:06:18  <Eddi|zuHause> training typically runs out of bread, especially on rather dense maps
00:06:35  <frosch123> 57 farms
00:06:56  <frosch123> but i am running low on wood, apparently 28 jacks are too few
00:07:47  <Eddi|zuHause> but it's weird how widelands and S1 can be so different from each other
00:08:07  <Eddi|zuHause> in S1, i never have production capacity problems like this, they're mostly transport problems
00:08:19  <frosch123> yeah, in s1 you got flooded with raw materials
00:08:30  <frosch123> which is also the case for my patched widelands :)
00:09:30  <Eddi|zuHause> i played a size 5 map, and the mines were just starting to run out as i was basically finished
00:10:38  <Eddi|zuHause> technically with 4 players, but one AI that started right next to me was broken, it kept burning down the buildings it just started
00:11:13  <Eddi|zuHause> the second AI was pretty much defeated by the 3rd when i reached them
00:12:18  <Eddi|zuHause> then it went back and forth a bit between their trained knights and my untrained ones
00:12:29  <Eddi|zuHause> until i gathered up enough gold
00:12:36  <frosch123> "training" in s1 was weird
00:13:07  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, you need to keep them in the warehouse
00:13:13  <frosch123> it was more like giving them something to protect
00:13:20  <frosch123> so they fealt worthy or so :p
00:14:01  <frosch123> yeah, iirc they also trained somewhat in fortresses
00:14:14  <frosch123> so it kind of depended on the number of guys in one place
00:14:27  <Eddi|zuHause> well there's two parts to it, one is the knight level (amount of time spent in the warehouse). and the other the "morale" (amount of gold)
00:14:56  <Eddi|zuHause> gold is unimportant for defense
00:15:05  <Eddi|zuHause> only considered when attacking
00:15:22  <frosch123> did you read the manual again? :p
00:15:36  <Eddi|zuHause> not that part :p
00:15:59  <Eddi|zuHause> that i remember from when i last read it as a kid :p
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00:17:53  <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i found it way more effective to just throw 10 untrained soldiers at one trained one
00:18:01  <Eddi|zuHause> instead of trying to get them trained
00:18:30  <Eddi|zuHause> keep the trained ones as defense, and use the untrained ones as cannon fodder for attacking :)
00:18:51  <frosch123> hmm, i think i always went for effieciency
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00:19:11  <frosch123> exchange them until they are only the best to attack
00:19:47  <Eddi|zuHause> i only had like 9 top level ones in my game
00:21:25  <Eddi|zuHause> i thought it better to attack and get some buffer zone between me and them instead of getting an unlucky fight and have half of my essential buildings burnt down
00:21:49  <frosch123> likely :)
00:22:25  <Eddi|zuHause> and with that buffer zone he still came awfully close, as the sneaky bastard always attacked the most central building
00:22:46  <Eddi|zuHause> and can't put fortresses everywhere
00:22:59  <Eddi|zuHause> so you're defending with two or three guys
00:23:12  <Eddi|zuHause> not all of which are trained properly
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00:25:58  <frosch123> gah, i hate it when trees sometimes manage to spread across the ocean
00:26:27  <frosch123> if you do not notice it early enough, all your farms are covered in trees
00:26:45  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, random spreading of trees is the weirdest feature of widelands...
00:27:04  <frosch123> well, it helps in the beginning
00:27:20  <frosch123> lateron you have to fight the jungle to get to the enemy :p
00:27:36  <frosch123> sometimes if i am low on soliders, i defend with foresters :)
00:27:46  <frosch123> remove the military building, so they cannot attack them
00:28:00  <frosch123> and plant trees everywhere, so they cannot build buildings either :p
00:29:30  <frosch123> oh, i ran out of beer
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01:29:38  <megakacktus> What does OSK stand for?
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04:32:46  <SamanthaD> The options warn that a large station spread is bad for performance... What exactly constitutes a "large station spread"
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06:26:58  <Eddi|zuHause> SamanthaD: i think that warning is outdated
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06:27:43  <SamanthaD> Eddi:zuHause: Much obliged!
06:28:23  <Eddi|zuHause> the algorithm behind it was changed to something less dependent on the actual size
06:28:59  <Eddi|zuHause> so it might (and will) still be slower, but not by much
06:31:50  <SamanthaD> okay!
06:32:05  <SamanthaD> I'll just blame the slowdown on my lousy processor and my obscene amount of vehicles ;)
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06:44:11  <Eddi|zuHause> SamanthaD: well if you really want to know what's making your game slow, run a profiler
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07:16:06  <planetmaker> moin
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07:36:27  <krinn> morning
07:37:02  <peter1139>
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07:37:44  <peter1139> sourceforge obsoleted themselves ;p
07:41:06  <krinn> they do times ago already with the lame "block this country"
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07:44:27  <SamanthaD> sup!
07:45:02  <SamanthaD> What the heck is Sourceforge up to?!
07:47:25  <peter1139> krinn, alright, obsoleted themselves further :)
07:48:23  <SamanthaD> This is an outrage!
07:48:49  <krinn> loose freedom always start "soft", once done and it's "admit"; next step coming, looks like soundforge just goes one step futher
07:49:46  <SamanthaD> I blame Ubuntu
07:51:00  <SamanthaD> well... I guess not just them
07:51:32  <krinn> well, it's hard to not include redhat with ubuntu
07:51:52  <SamanthaD> point is, over the last 5-7 years I've noticed a marked depreciation of what software freedom seems to mean to a lot of projects
07:51:52  <Eddi|zuHause> it's all Obamas fault!
07:52:12  <SamanthaD> krinn: At least Fedora has a pretty strict policy toward free software
07:52:18  <krinn> yeah but michelle's fault !
07:52:44  <krinn> fedora is the worst SamanthaD :)
07:53:18  <SamanthaD> I'm not saying it's any GOOD, I'm just saying it has a strict no-proprietary-software (except for drivers) policy
07:53:23  <peter1139>
07:53:31  <peter1139> anyone else hoping that won't make it? :p
07:54:04  <SamanthaD> Me!
07:54:23  <SamanthaD> though... I kinda like the idea of using a phone as a desktop...
07:54:30  <SamanthaD> HOWEVER
07:54:42  <SamanthaD> that being said... the desktop will be running Unity so they can freaking keep it
07:55:05  * SamanthaD wonders what an XFCE cellphone interface would be like...
07:59:10  <krinn> that thing will never works, if i want a phone where i need to pay anytime i click on the wrong button, i would use an iphone that would do the same, but with a nice touch
07:59:59  <SamanthaD> Gotta love how iOS is based on free code yet they ban free licenses in the app store ;)
08:00:27  <peter1139> technically they don't ban it
08:00:47  <peter1139> it's just incompatible
08:01:01  <planetmaker> yeah, SamanthaD :-)
08:02:16  <krinn> i prefer they ban them, than making them pay to get
08:03:09  <Zuu> krinn: Just don't connect your apple/google account with a credit card, and it will not charge you.
08:03:11  <SamanthaD> selling free software is fine so long as you don't strip away the freedoms
08:03:28  <SamanthaD> that being said, using DRM to force people to pay for something they could have otherwise gotten for free isn't
08:03:38  <krinn> SamanthaD, money is a drm
08:04:06  <SamanthaD> heh
08:04:39  <SamanthaD> IIRC RMS used to sell emacs for 200 bucks a pop back in the 80's
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08:05:28  <SamanthaD> gotta love emacs...
08:05:40  <SamanthaD> GNU: We needed an operating system to host our operating system!
08:06:00  <krinn> :)
08:06:49  <peter1139> bah at stupid drivers not supporting suspend/resume :(
08:07:00  <krinn> Zuu, didn't knew this (never own apple product myself, not a big fan)
08:07:39  <SamanthaD> peter1139: why don't you configure your computer to unload the module when going to suspend?
08:08:10  <SamanthaD> peter1139: I have to do that with my wireless driver because of its evil buggy binary blob
08:08:51  <peter1139> because it's a sound driver, and it's often in use by jackd at the time
08:09:19  <SamanthaD> peter1139: kill jack, unload driver, suspend. resume, reload driver, start jack?
08:09:38  <peter1139> kill jack and all its clients? :S
08:09:48  <SamanthaD> ah... point
08:10:06  <krinn> if you go on suspend, what will happen to jack's client anyway
08:10:18  <SamanthaD> supposedly the computer crashes ;)
08:10:29  <peter1139> krinn, paused until resume
08:11:38  <SamanthaD> I could be talking out my backside here but  doesn't JACK use a client/server configuration where the module that connects to the clients and the module that outputs to ALSA are separate?
08:12:30  <krinn> i don't see why you use a server to provide services to client that can suspend :)
08:13:04  <SamanthaD> krinn: lots of systems work that way in Unix land. Look at CUPS, for example
08:13:08  <SamanthaD> and PulseAudio works that way...
08:13:50  <SamanthaD> peter1139: what I'm thinking is maybe you could tell Jack to switch to a null source and sink then unload the module that services your sound card.
08:14:10  <SamanthaD> and then on restore you could tell Jack to reload the module then switch to the real sink/source
08:14:37  <peter1139> pain in the arse cos that needs jack2, and you lose all the hardware connections
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08:14:55  <SamanthaD> hmm
08:15:15  <peter1139> if i knew enough about drivers i'd try fixing it :S
08:15:43  <SamanthaD> peter1139: I'll bet you a drink if we ever meet up that the driver is a binary blob
08:16:00  <peter1139> new
08:16:02  <peter1139> p
08:16:10  <SamanthaD> damn... no drink for me
08:16:33  <SamanthaD> what driver, by the way?
08:16:37  <Eddi|zuHause> a binary binary large object?
08:16:40  <Zuu> krinn: Neither a big fan of apple, but it given their market share, it is a device that is useful to have some knowledge about.
08:17:05  <Eddi|zuHause> is that like a Deutsche Bahn Bahn?
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08:18:40  <Wolf01> moin
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08:19:16  <SamanthaD> Zuu: Run FreeBSD over a Mach kernel and I guarantee you you'll know more about Apple projects than 99.9999% of apple fanboys without ever touching one of their projects!
08:19:29  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm getting tired of "moin", we should move over to "tach"
08:19:32  <SamanthaD> products! not projects
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08:22:59  <planetmaker> nah, that's reserved for people from your region ;-)
08:24:26  <SamanthaD> what the heck is "tach" anyway?!
08:24:43  <krinn> the "moin" for northern?
08:25:27  <planetmaker> krinn, wrong. The 'moin' for non-northerners
08:25:45  <Eddi|zuHause> depends on what you call "north"
08:26:07  <planetmaker> You can't get much further north than the origin-area of 'north' wrt German language region
08:26:16  <planetmaker> s/much//g
08:26:32  <planetmaker> which basically is the North sea coast
08:27:03  <Eddi|zuHause> for a bavarian, it's all "saupreußen"
08:27:04  <krinn> where i live you're all northern :)
08:27:31  <SamanthaD> krinn: where might that be?
08:27:45  <krinn> south france
08:27:52  <SamanthaD> I'm south of you! :D
08:28:01  <SamanthaD> <- California, USA
08:28:40  <krinn> well, maybe technically, but i would resume your position to "far left of me" :)
08:29:28  <Eddi|zuHause> to the left of me would be south
08:29:31  <planetmaker> left, krinn ?
08:29:51  <krinn> :) planetmaker
08:29:55  * SamanthaD tries to figure out which way she's pointed
08:30:12  <SamanthaD> oh, you're dead ahead of me!
08:30:24  <Wolf01> about north vs south and such, do you know a simple "mapping" software which allows to create a view with spatial points in 3D? I don't need the graphic map, sust see the distribution of the points... it it was only 2D I would have used excel :P
08:30:25  <Eddi|zuHause> with the slight tendency towards southeast
08:30:53  <Wolf01> s/sust/just
08:31:13  <SamanthaD> Wolf01: You want to create a cloud of points in space?
08:31:20  <Wolf01> yes
08:31:34  <SamanthaD> Wolf01: Blender?
08:31:44  <Eddi|zuHause> 10 years ago i'd have said mathematica
08:31:57  <Eddi|zuHause> but i forgot everything about it
08:32:04  <planetmaker> even excel could do that somewhat. I'd go for origin possibly until I did do all this stuff using IDL ;-)
08:32:12  <Wolf01> mmm I could try with sMath studio
08:32:22  <SamanthaD> Oh god... there's a GNU project like Mathematica... *tries to think of name*
08:32:41  <planetmaker> gnuplot? ;-) gld?
08:32:46  <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, there are plenty of ways to make a 3D view of something
08:32:48  <planetmaker> *gdl
08:33:19  <planetmaker>
08:34:42  <SamanthaD> planetmaker: now... what were we JUST talking about?! ;)
08:34:51  * SamanthaD points at the SF link
08:35:00  <planetmaker> :-)
08:35:08  <SamanthaD>
08:35:10  <SamanthaD> maybe that?
08:35:14  <SamanthaD> it's written in LISP
08:35:16  <SamanthaD> and I love Lisp
08:35:36  <planetmaker> sounds like ... a very valid reason for a programme to use ;-)
08:36:09  <krinn> and you get a list of similar programs
08:36:11  <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: btw that map reminds me of sitting at the "wrong" side of the risk board :p
08:36:22  <planetmaker> :-) true
08:36:48  <SamanthaD> I don't know how it's actually executed though... Lisp isn't all that great in the hands of an undisciplined programmer in love with side-effects ;)
08:38:45  <krinn> you can make it using an abacus too, but i'm not sure he was seeking something like that :)
08:39:44  <SamanthaD> krinn: No... I don't think you can. He needs graphics. For that you need pipe cleaners and marshmellows.
08:40:09  <Eddi|zuHause> it's fairly easy to make excel do a matrix transformation so you can make a 2D-plot of your 3D-locations from different directions
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08:41:16  <krinn> SamanthaD, better use m&ms they are easier to handle than marshmellows
08:41:36  <Wolf01> gah, software set with Deutsch language
08:41:38  <SamanthaD> krinn: Yeah, but you can't impale them on the wires!
08:41:55  <Eddi|zuHause> Wolf01: never had a problem with that :p
08:42:00  <krinn> SamanthaD, you always want to crush, impale or destroy anything
08:42:57  <SamanthaD> I suddenly have the urge to build marshmellow/toothpick bridges...
08:43:41  <krinn> SamanthaD, you would do wonder as hunter here, with their modo "if it move, shoot it : if it was your wife, have a drink, if it was your dog, cry"
08:44:14  <SamanthaD> >.<
08:44:28  <krinn> yeah i know, it's sad for the dog
08:44:46  <Wolf01> "For documentation of the plugin functions see german Handbook. This handbook is in german but has examples for many functions."
08:45:01  <SamanthaD> krinn: you never did stuff like this?
08:45:34  <krinn> tried...
08:45:46  <krinn> ... but stopped after taking too much fat eating them
08:46:01  <SamanthaD> Wolf01: For hilarious results, run the documentation through Google Translate and hack away ;)
08:46:45  <SamanthaD> krinn: When I was little I'd devour my structures so fast sometimes I got my mouth stabbed by a toothpick I missed.
08:48:01  <krinn> lol SamanthaD
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08:56:49  <Eddi|zuHause> SamanthaD: we generally use different materials for that stuff:Ànnchen_phc.jpg
08:57:19  <SamanthaD> Glee! That's awesome!
08:59:09  <Eddi|zuHause>
08:59:50  <krinn> don't smoke near that one
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09:01:11  <krinn> i just tried the auto-translate in youtube, it's impressive, but as it's far from perfect, it's also funny, ever try it ?
09:03:59  <SamanthaD> no, but I've used the website translator thingy
09:05:25  <SamanthaD> how do you get the toothpicks to stick in the chestnuts?!
09:09:37  <planetmaker> they're soft enough if not dried (yet)
09:10:56  <SamanthaD> oh, I see
09:11:07  <SamanthaD> we don't typically get fresh chestnuts in the states
09:11:36  <SamanthaD> the American chestnut tree almost went extinct
09:11:44  <SamanthaD> chestnut blight
09:12:00  <SamanthaD> course... 100 years ago there were more chestnuts than you could shake a stick at!
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09:20:50  <Eddi|zuHause> i never use youtube. what auto-translate?
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09:23:08  <andythenorth> o/
09:23:14  <krinn> it detect speech in movie
09:23:20  <krinn> detect then the language
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09:23:28  <krinn> and allow you to translate it
09:23:55  <krinn> funny has it do mistakes, you can guess why. but it still impressive
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09:27:39  <krinn> as of course each fail at hearing proper words in its native language will add a fail at translate that have itself its fail...
09:27:41  <Eddi|zuHause> so if i were to give you you could understand what they're saying?
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09:28:17  <krinn> let's see :)
09:29:52  <krinn> they speak about doing movie?
09:30:02  <Eddi|zuHause> no
09:30:06  <krinn> lol
09:30:18  <Eddi|zuHause> they speak about mosquitos
09:31:13  <krinn> even with the info it's impossible to guess
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09:32:41  <krinn> Eddi|zuHause, hit captions option, you'll find the translate there
09:34:26  <Eddi|zuHause> even the untranslated subtitles are totally wrong...
09:34:48  <krinn> yeah so the translate is worst
09:35:18  <krinn> i didn't it was top, i said it was technically impressive but funny as it fail
09:35:18  <Eddi|zuHause> really, it has pretty much no correlation to what they're saying :p
09:36:55  <krinn> try this one in german :)
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09:41:07  <frosch123> the perfect european cooks like a english, drives like a french, is humourus like a german, ...
09:41:45  <Eddi|zuHause> i didn't try the translation, but i'm pretty certain that what the french subtitle says is not what they are saying, from what little my of my rusty french is left :p
09:42:21  <krinn> frosch123, :)
09:42:29  <Eddi|zuHause> i do understand this one, however :)
09:43:23  <krinn> and i don't :)
09:46:01  <krinn> if your french is good enough, you'll die with that one
09:46:30  <Zuu> The automatic closed captions are quite bad. I wonder if they even make the situation worse so that uploaders beleaive that they got CC while the quality is soo bad that they really should upload their own CC if they cared about the quality.
09:48:10  <krinn> i'm not sure many use the caption or the translate caption options
09:53:05  <SamanthaD> anyway... I'm going to hit hte hay
09:53:07  <SamanthaD> night everyone
09:53:18  <krinn> night SamanthaD
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09:54:10  <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: my french is good enough to recognize the structure of the language, but not the words...
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09:55:25  <krinn> harder because they speak with canadian accent, but easier as the speech is about the questions that are wrote on screen
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09:58:48  <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, i get only a tiny fraction of the jokes
09:59:55  <Eddi|zuHause> he can't really keep a straight face at the end :)
10:00:41  <krinn> yeah this one is really hilarous
10:02:29  <krinn> he asked him: what will you do if you win the million dollar ? answer: "going to the hookers", and he reply : "ah yes, that would make a lot of hookers"
10:03:01  <Eddi|zuHause> what's what he said at the end after the noise?
10:04:14  <krinn> he says his "tank" is not well park, another canadian<>french jokes, as no french will use "tank" to speak about his car
10:04:50  <krinn> they did it also with "computer", no french will use it but use "ordinateur" instead, a canadian<>french joke
10:05:24  <krinn> by canadian i mean quebec
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10:06:25  <Eddi|zuHause> well obviously they wouldn't be speaking french in ontario :p
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10:08:43  <krinn> i know (but didn't want offend canadians)
10:09:49  <Eddi|zuHause> well the only canadian we have is quebecoise :)
10:10:46  <Eddi|zuHause> and he's only online at work hours, so you have until tomorrow 15:00 :)
10:11:02  <krinn> only 1, so it's ok to offend them :)
10:11:18  <krinn> if that candian is a "he", he is quebecois
10:11:37  <Eddi|zuHause> probably
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10:11:45  <krinn> adding the "e" makes him a female
10:12:01  <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think it's that easy :p
10:12:39  <krinn> it's a bit hard sometimes in english because of that lack of male/female knowledge
10:13:09  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm not english
10:13:54  <krinn> I don't think any european language is as poor as english
10:16:01  <Eddi|zuHause> well, english was created as a hybrid language, with everything that is stupid about every european language filtered out
10:16:22  <Eddi|zuHause> only it's made from the wrong resulting set :p
10:16:29  <krinn> :D
10:19:33  * krinn wonder how many english now loves Eddi|zuHause & krinn here
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10:32:15  <planetmaker> can be anything else said of any other European language?
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10:36:09  <krinn> sure, german use too much letters for a word, i think realtime transcript to german can kill the guy who is making it
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10:48:21  <Eddi|zuHause> realtime german to french is impossible, because a word at the end might change the meaning of a word in the beginning :)
10:48:54  <Eddi|zuHause> so you need the whole sentence before you can begin translating :)
10:49:42  <Wolf01> sounds like chinese, where you can read a sentence ltr or rtl, with a similar meaning or a complete different meaning
10:51:02  <Eddi|zuHause> it's like translating binary into decimal, if you have the number 0.00110011... you can't decide whether to write out 0.1or 0.2, because if there's ever a surplus 0 it's 0.1xxx if there's a surplus 1 it's 0.2xxx
10:51:58  <Eddi|zuHause> if it's periodic it's 0.2
10:56:48  <krinn> i don't know how they make it, must use some kind of smaller set or cryptic coding then (like phonem writing)
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11:58:01  <Eddi|zuHause>
12:00:14  <krinn> a good one, but it might also mean God use nokia :)
12:01:14  <Eddi|zuHause> i think the main joke is "nokia is ancient"
12:01:46  <krinn> unsure, i was thinking it's about its weight
12:02:21  <krinn> lmao but the two are ok : ancient and heavy
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12:03:12  <andythenorth> This week the Indonesian Road Vehicle set is my favourite forum thing
12:04:11  <Eddi|zuHause> it pains me every time i look at it
12:04:30  <frosch123> he, they use si units for stats
12:05:06  <Eddi|zuHause> like, is that just a language barrier thing or does he really not get what people are saying
12:06:07  <michi_cc> Maybe we don't get what he is saying? :p
12:06:13  <andythenorth> I think he's just having fun, doing his own thing :)
12:08:13  <frosch123> yeah, don't critisize artists
12:08:28  <frosch123> i don't see much difference in posting photos compared to teaser graphics
12:08:34  <krinn> i love the one from SquireJames
12:09:01  <frosch123> i am just stunned that the thread uses m/s as speed unit
12:09:22  <frosch123> well, and that most of the photos are more like personal/small cars
12:09:52  <Eddi|zuHause> oh he even has a banner in the signature
12:10:36  <frosch123> @calc 24*3.6
12:10:37  <DorpsGek> frosch123: 86.4
12:10:41  <frosch123> @calc 26*3.6
12:10:42  <DorpsGek> frosch123: 93.6
12:10:44  <frosch123> @calc 27*3.6
12:10:45  <DorpsGek> frosch123: 97.2
12:10:59  <frosch123> are those speed limits by law?
12:11:15  <Eddi|zuHause> no idea
12:11:34  <Eddi|zuHause> even in the 1930s cars went faster than that
12:13:37  <krinn> does he have anything to do with world airliners set ?
12:13:58  <Eddi|zuHause> he posted some stuff in the thread
12:14:15  <Eddi|zuHause> but i don't think it was more than "here i have picture for livery"
12:14:53  <krinn> oh, so if i post to a patch thread, "i opened it with notepad and it work", i can put in my sig that a banner to that patch too?
12:15:33  <Eddi|zuHause> and there were a few other threads in the style of "this is the X set, please make graphics and code it"
12:16:19  <krinn> i will make the "indonesian babes set", at least i will enjoy his contribution
12:17:38  <Eddi|zuHause> if there was a "ingore this thread" feature, i would put the WAS thread on that
12:18:22  <Eddi|zuHause> there can't possibly be something interesting in there ever...
12:20:52  <krinn> m/s meter or miles /seconds ?
12:21:54  <Eddi|zuHause> miles would be funny :p
12:22:28  <Eddi|zuHause> "this car is 100 times faster than speed of sound"
12:26:23  <krinn> better than the 100km/h limit :)
12:31:13  <Eddi|zuHause> that would be the limit here, too, if it were up to the green party
12:32:10  <krinn> better do like french: put the limit, but not on engines, and put cops to ticket them, nearly the same but you get lot of money
12:34:49  <Eddi|zuHause> the story some people told me that when they tried to pay their highway toll, it suddenly made a bright light while they were standing there putting the billet in
12:35:06  <planetmaker> 100x faster than speed of sound? That's... likely not a car
12:35:09  <Eddi|zuHause> because apparently they took "too little" time for the route
12:35:45  <Eddi|zuHause> no idea if they actually ever got a speeding ticket
12:35:46  <krinn> yeah they add "part radar" checker, that calc your speed from X to Y
12:36:11  <Eddi|zuHause> not much "radar" involved :p
12:36:31  <krinn> the ticket have the time on it too
12:36:43  <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, that reminds me on one time I drove like Orleans-Paris. A shiny Porsche overtook us. Except at the next toll booth he seemed to have a longer conversation with police while we just passed there ;-)
12:36:46  <Eddi|zuHause> and the morale of the story: add a break inbetween :p
12:37:20  <planetmaker> and they indeed might not use radar. But simply the ticket times on those highways
12:37:31  <krinn> one of the highest speedy guy caught  by cops here didn't have his ticket :)
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12:37:38  <planetmaker> :-)
12:37:44  <krinn> was alain prost on a ferrari but didn't remember the model
12:38:22  <Eddi|zuHause> what actually happens if you enter the toll booth and say "i lost my ticket"?
12:38:40  <planetmaker> you probably go to the manual barrier. And pay the longest possible route
12:39:02  <Eddi|zuHause> but that would "save" you the speeding ticket :)
12:39:13  <planetmaker> dunno. do try :-P
12:39:17  <krinn> planetmaker, no, you'll pay the longest possible route and an extra
12:39:30  <planetmaker> might still be better than the speeding ticket ;-)
12:39:33  <krinn> why? (well, just because they can)
12:40:03  <krinn> the speeding ticket isn't the problem (as long as you got the money), the judge is
12:40:20  <krinn> (lol or not if you have really lot of money)
12:40:40  <Eddi|zuHause> the parking lot at our cinema charges 8€ for lost ticket (about a day rate of parking)
12:41:06  <planetmaker> so it's efficient if you park longer ;-)
12:42:00  <Eddi|zuHause> krinn: well, the point is, if you don't have the ticket, they don't have the time necessary to calculate whether you were speeding
12:42:20  <planetmaker> unless they used radar :D
12:42:24  <krinn> except they add radar in between that do that too
12:42:59  <krinn> as people use device to tell where radars were, they add range radar that check from radar1 to radar2 distance and time taken
12:45:14  <krinn> that country is quiet good at giving tickets :)
12:46:02  <krinn>
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12:46:29  <krinn> 21,2 millions flashs in 2012...
12:47:25  <krinn> for like ~70 or 80 millions people (dunno we must be close to that), and not all are drivers
12:49:03  <Rubidium> krinn: more like 65
12:49:24  <Eddi|zuHause> plus all the tourists?
12:50:03  <krinn> yes should add tourists
12:50:10  <krinn> but that's quiet good still no?
12:51:55  <krinn> autobahn ffs!
12:52:39  <Rubidium> autobahn? where?
12:52:43  <Eddi|zuHause> not found a similar statistics, but this is the amount of "fixed" radar places:
12:52:52  <Rubidium> those few bits between the "baustelle"
12:53:32  <Eddi|zuHause> then there are also spontaneous checks by the police, where they stand on the side of the road for a few hours
12:54:31  <krinn> we have it too, else tourist are never ticket as radar just drop the ticket for tourist
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12:55:27  <krinn> what the 2 columns mean ? anlagen insgesamt & davon mit winkelangaben
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12:57:16  <Eddi|zuHause> "total", "with angle"
12:57:41  <krinn> you mean bayern took only 89 flash ?
12:58:01  <Eddi|zuHause> no, they have 89 devices installed
12:58:12  <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't say how often they flash
12:58:17  <krinn> oh
12:58:59  <krinn> total 3979 radars so ?
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13:11:50  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, with a very uneven distribution
13:13:24  <krinn> still that's a lot, we have ~4000 too here
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13:48:09  <frosch123> yeah, apparently the state with the biggest area has about the fewest :p
13:48:37  <frosch123> oi, your conversation was already an hour ago
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14:02:34  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25648 /trunk/src (6 files) (2013-08-04 14:02:27 UTC)
14:02:35  <DorpsGek> -Change [FS#5669]: [NewGRF] Invalidate vehicle recolour palette during (un)loading.
14:20:59  <roboboy> planetmaker, Do you mind if I forward you a PM I just got on the forums about OpenTTD in German?
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14:46:47  <roboboy> all sorted
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15:16:58  <LordAro> /o
15:19:46  <Rubidium> p
15:22:36  <frosch123> q
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16:28:44  <MadaraUchiha> Evening everyone
16:30:02  <frosch123> welcome in idletown
16:32:00  <V453000> asdf rainbows
16:34:57  <MadaraUchiha> Heh
16:35:11  <MadaraUchiha> I'm used to Stack Overflow, so idletown isn't really my thing :D
16:35:17  <frosch123> hmm, someone got hacked :p
16:35:32  <frosch123> i got a fake-paypal mail, which contains my correct adress :s
16:39:18  <MadaraUchiha> lol, either that, or someone's selling you out xD
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16:51:26  <Eddi|zuHause> so, which idiot told "Julia" how to change GRFs ingame... that's asking for trouble...
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16:58:07  <LordAro> "Julia"?
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16:59:40  <frosch123> someone with more oO than other letters in the nickname
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17:39:14  <krinn> people just download a lib because they can ?
17:41:58  <krinn> i have two projects that use the lib, and the two aren't in bananas, so nothing depend on the lib yet, but already 100 people download it...
17:41:58  <frosch123> people download everything because they can
17:42:21  <frosch123> it's a tedious hand infection
17:42:25  <frosch123> you have to click everything
17:42:48  <krinn> maybe you can get crazy with newGRF and new pictures... but an ai lib ?
17:43:14  <Eddi|zuHause> should make a reality-tv show: "Internet Hoarders"
17:44:33  <krinn> 99 times with 0 usage (i suppose 6-10 get it for legit reason : use it or look at it)
17:45:17  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25649 trunk/src/lang/estonian.txt (2013-08-04 17:45:10 UTC)
17:45:18  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:19  <DorpsGek> estonian - 54 changes by KSiimson
17:45:37  <frosch123> krinn: there were online servers which used "debug vehicles"
17:45:49  <krinn> lol
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17:46:28  <Eddi|zuHause> i should really finish my "not-so-debug" vehicles somewhen :/
17:46:52  <krinn> i never put aivehicletest to bananas to not mistake users that may think it's an ai. Now i see i was really really more than right
17:57:59  <Zuu> krinn: That has happened to me several times before. :-)
17:58:14  <Zuu> (higher library download count)
17:58:37  <Zuu> I have stopped to care about that..
17:58:53  <krinn> people are kinda weirds, bandwith, hdd space, they care about nothing
18:00:45  <Zuu> 9 k downloads of Beginner Tutorial scenario; 17 k downloads of the tutorial GS; 20 k dowloads of the ship AI for the tutorial.
18:00:56  <Zuu> Both the GS and the AI is pretty useless without the scenario.
18:01:01  <krinn> lmao
18:01:19  <Zuu> The AI is hidden unless you have the ai_developer_tools activated. :-)
18:01:29  <Zuu> Same for the GS
18:01:41  <krinn> so it's just if (AI || GS) in "name" hit download ,
18:03:47  <Zuu> Or people downloading all AIs, because evil people at the forums don't want to recommend them any AI but instead tell them to try all and see which one they like themself. :-p
18:04:08  <krinn> ok for AI, but GS/AI LIB ?
18:04:23  <frosch123> what's a lib?
18:04:38  <frosch123> i see many things called lib. is it some corporate project?
18:05:24  <Zuu>  Or they just get all to not miss anything.
18:05:37  <krinn> I think they are like "OMG new superlib, download it so all AIs run faster" :P
18:05:49  <Zuu> :-D
18:06:34  <Zuu> And all they get is a collection of sub libraries :-)
18:07:26  <krinn> maybe openttd should add a checkbox for dependencies : check it to see and download what you want, keep it uncheck openttd will pickup what it need itself?
18:08:02  <Zuu> What do you mean?
18:08:15  <krinn> unless checked, libraries remain hidden
18:08:22  <Zuu> Should users be able to download something without libraries?
18:08:35  <krinn> people would need to check to see them (because it's rare case someone need an old version)
18:09:11  <Zuu> Once a library has been marked for download it should be visible, but it can otherwise be hidden.
18:09:37  <krinn> that's it, mark for download to met a dependency, else hidden
18:09:45  <Zuu> It would be most usefull to remove the AI/GS libs from the scenario list :-)
18:11:31  <Zuu> Before the first scenario, no less than 16 AIs/GSs and their libraries are displayed. (if you open online content form the play scenario dialog)
18:11:56  <Zuu> And I guess all of those are my fault. :-)
18:12:40  <krinn> :)
18:13:03  <Zuu> That said, there is also 14 NewGRFs after AIs/GSs but before the scenarios.
18:13:26  <krinn> is it because they are dep of some scenario ?
18:13:31  <Zuu> yep
18:13:51  <krinn> ah, maybe the hide dep isn't a bad option than
18:13:57  <Zuu> And since 'S' in Scenario is later in the alphabet than all the dependencies, the deps are shown above.
18:15:14  <krinn> don't get mad at it, it's cosmetic, better having a downloader that work, and right now, it works
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18:24:35  <frosch123> o/
18:24:43  <Alberth> hi hi
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18:24:57  <krinn> yop
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18:41:44  <andythenorth> o/
18:42:52  <Alberth> \o
18:43:31  <andythenorth> ho
18:43:41  <andythenorth> I have a whole 364 days left to vote
18:44:11  <frosch123> i think there should not have been a "no" option
18:44:32  <frosch123> otoh you need something to click for the kids who want to click something
18:45:02  <andythenorth> I might vote yes
18:45:28  <andythenorth> let's think about it
18:47:38  <planetmaker> 'lo andythenorth
18:49:38  * planetmaker wonders what might be up to vote :D
18:49:51  <Alberth> apparently a boolean :)
18:50:29  <Alberth> planetmaker: we'll find out somewhen in the next 364 days :p
18:50:41  <planetmaker> :-) maybe the "do you still play..." question
18:51:57  <frosch123> i wonder what result we would get if we would ask that question in this channel? :p
18:52:39  <Alberth> a discussion about the semantics  of "play" :)
18:55:37  <Aristide> xD
18:55:39  <Aristide> This cat is ...
18:55:41  <Aristide> Hi x)
18:56:29  <frosch123> do you know #tycoon ?
18:57:46  <Aristide> No
18:58:14  <frosch123> they love cat pictures
18:59:59  * Alberth also loves upside down cats, but I am not allowed to discuss them
19:00:32  <V453000> :d
19:00:34  <krinn> if the cat is upside down on rails
19:00:36  <Aristide> Alberth: :')
19:00:39  <Aristide> xD
19:01:11  <krinn> hi Aristide btw
19:01:37  <Aristide> Hi krinn :)
19:02:08  <Alberth> Aristide: you can also try the off-topic forum at tt-f
19:02:16  <Aristide> Alberth: What channel ?
19:02:20  <Aristide> Oh !
19:02:23  <Aristide> Sorry, Forum x)
19:02:26  <krinn> hmmm, on forum
19:02:37  <krinn> in irc, i'm afraid to speak about cats, it should be #gays
19:02:44  <Aristide> x)
19:03:01  <Aristide> I'm not Gay ... I Juste love myself
19:03:06  <Aristide> *just
19:03:12  <Aristide> :(
19:04:06  <krinn> looks like some vandam cite : "I understand why gays love my body, gays love beauty"
19:04:53  <Aristide> xD
19:05:00  <V453000> CATS AINT GAY =[
19:06:01  <krinn> no but gays love cats
19:06:17  <Aristide> I love cats and me
19:06:27  <Aristide> Dogs are faggots :x
19:06:32  * Aristide run away ... far far away
19:06:48  <krinn> Aristide, the real one is here -> seek "L'homosexualité"
19:07:45  <Aristide> " Une noisette, j'la casse entre mes fesses tu vois... "
19:07:46  <Aristide> ...
19:08:58  <Alberth> no idea what that means, so I'll refrain from any comments
19:09:12  <andythenorth> how do I do /ignore again?
19:09:17  <andythenorth> is it with /kban  ?
19:09:37  <frosch123> @op andythenorth
19:09:40  *** mode/#openttd [+o andythenorth] by DorpsGek
19:09:40  <frosch123> maybe :)
19:09:48  <andythenorth> oh no :(
19:10:06  <Aristide> xD
19:10:14  <Aristide> !op Aristide
19:10:16  <Aristide> :(
19:10:32  <frosch123> it does not work on yourself
19:10:37  <frosch123> and it's @
19:11:03  <Aristide> @god Aristide
19:11:18  <Aristide> Oh so okay ... (God mode is already set on Aristide)
19:11:20  <krinn> better write it God else we may think
19:11:41  <andythenorth> hey it's Gromit
19:12:35  <frosch123> andythenorth: make a new object grf :)
19:12:42  <frosch123> put grommits all over the map
19:12:45  <andythenorth> I'd need 80 gromit tiles
19:12:54  <andythenorth> the paddington one is all sad and lonely, I saw him last week
19:13:37  <Alberth> this one looks nice and shiny
19:14:07  <frosch123> i think toyland needs some newobject grfs
19:14:14  <frosch123> with cheeses or sausages
19:14:33  <andythenorth> what is toyland?
19:14:34  <Alberth> cheese cargo sounds good
19:14:48  <frosch123> hmm, i guess V is not interested in newobjects
19:14:55  * V453000 hereby declares andythenorth enemy
19:15:29  <Alberth> frosch123: grommit at rails?
19:15:31  <V453000> toyland is everything
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19:15:56  <Alberth> wb
19:15:56  <andythenorth> see, never give me op
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19:17:08  * andythenorth had better do some work
19:17:18  <andythenorth> meanwhile...
19:18:25  <V453000> fuck is that
19:18:27  <V453000> that isnt toyland
19:18:37  <andythenorth> yellowland
19:19:08  <Alberth> temperate with day/night cycle :)
19:20:40  <andythenorth> hmm
19:20:43  <andythenorth> palette shift
19:24:08  <Alberth> good night
19:24:22  <andythenorth> bye
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19:35:49  <MadaraUchiha> I need some help guys
19:36:27  <MadaraUchiha> I have the following train setup, and I want both trains to be able to dock at the same time:
19:36:30  <MadaraUchiha> (Hold on for SS)
19:36:36  <MadaraUchiha>
19:36:52  <MadaraUchiha> I tried using path signals and I've crashed my trains twice now :P
19:37:54  <MadaraUchiha> So anyone for the rescue? :P
19:38:11  <krinn> can't you just build two lines ?
19:38:30  <MadaraUchiha> I could, but I want to learn how to link trains and use lights properly
19:38:56  <MadaraUchiha> I could just make interchanges for everything, but I want to be able to create networks.
19:40:03  <krinn> so add path signal before/after station and add another one before the x on both sides
19:41:31  <MadaraUchiha> Hold on, would you mind showing me that on a twiddla?
19:41:53  <frosch123> <- has all the examples you need
19:42:32  <MadaraUchiha>
19:42:43  <MadaraUchiha> @frosch123 I've read it, but not fully understood it.
19:43:02  <MadaraUchiha> And I thought, nothing better than an actual try/fail :P
19:44:24  <krinn> there's an option that color the rails with path choosen by the train, activate it, you'll see your understand will get boosted
19:44:34  <MadaraUchiha> I it activated!
19:44:42  <MadaraUchiha> And I still don't see much of a difference.
19:44:44  <MadaraUchiha> It is*
19:44:50  <krinn> lol sorry then
19:45:12  <MadaraUchiha> Show reserved tracks, right?
19:45:25  <krinn> i think it's that
19:45:28  <MadaraUchiha> This is with the option turned on, the picture that is.
19:46:26  <MadaraUchiha> Anyone willing to show me that on the picture?
19:46:33  <MadaraUchiha> << you can draw on it here
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20:05:34  <Aristide> Hi again
20:07:15  <Aristide> <3
20:08:56  <krinn> i don't see any cats, but someone has drop trash in front of the station
20:09:31  <Aristide> xD
20:10:09  <Aristide> krinn: The cat is under train
20:10:59  <Aristide> At the left, you can see a part of the subway entrance
20:10:59  <Aristide> :x
20:11:56  <krinn> at least this time, apple won't stole their clock design for sure
20:12:28  <Aristide> xD
20:12:46  <Aristide> Freetroll
20:12:49  <krinn> can't even read the time!
20:13:10  <Aristide> I can read the time :/
20:13:25  <Aristide> Its 2:57
20:13:33  <Aristide> AM or PM I don't know :x
20:13:49  <krinn> oh the big red one is for minutes
20:14:07  <Aristide> :)
20:14:34  <krinn> i think it was for secs
20:15:21  <Aristide> Yes
20:15:38  <Aristide> And inside station
20:16:41  <krinn> sorry, totally ugly for me
20:16:47  <Aristide> For me too x)
20:17:00  <krinn> now that's a train station !
20:17:08  <Aristide> But the station is waiting for renovation
20:17:30  <Aristide> Oyeah
20:17:33  <krinn> to get their crappy commercial inside ?
20:18:21  <Aristide> x)
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20:21:14  <Zuu> krinn: Is that the city that is prounced as "meluse" or "melose", but is probably spelled differently.
20:21:29  <krinn> mulhouse
20:22:14  <krinn>
20:22:19  <krinn> i know big link :(
20:22:33  <Aristide> Lyon has 6 gares... And France has 5886 gares in activity (2010) ...
20:22:34  <Aristide> Ok
20:22:39  <krinn> that's my station, look at right line, you can see it is elevated and curve so trains can past it fast without stopping :)
20:22:58  <Zuu> hmm, no not melhouse, but I think I've seen the station that you linked before, but can't remember where it was.
20:23:38  <krinn> Antwerp Central Station — Antwerp, Belgium
20:24:09  <krinn> that's what i called a station !
20:24:32  <Aristide> Oyeah
20:24:39  <Zuu> Hmm, no - I was thinking about Strasbourg.
20:25:38  <Zuu> Strasbourg now has a glas dome over the old entry, so it's hard to see on google street view.
20:26:37  <krinn>
20:26:53  <Aristide> This voice is sexy
20:26:58  <krinn> too modern for my taste
20:27:26  <Zuu> krinn: It has an old building inside
20:27:45  <krinn> yes, that's why it ruin it
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20:31:58  <krinn> seeing the cathenary at that speed, you know you don't want use that train tech to convoy you at such speed
20:32:38  <Aristide> OH A cat on rail
20:32:40  <Aristide> SPLASH !
20:33:03  <krinn> i'm not sure you would have time to identify if it's a cat or something
20:34:25  <Aristide> x)
20:34:32  <Aristide> Yes its more ... "Oh a ... Nothing"
20:35:02  <frosch123> night
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20:37:03  <Aristide> krinn: Oh ! A splint !
20:37:05  <Aristide> :D
20:37:07  <Aristide> </troll>
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20:41:06  <krinn> ok night all
20:41:11  <Aristide> krinn: Good night :)
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21:04:11  <TWerkhoven> Xaroth?
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21:31:08  <Xaroth|Work> TWerkhoven:
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21:31:46  <TWerkhoven> just created an issue
21:31:51  <Xaroth|Work> noticed
21:31:53  <TWerkhoven> for some reason i cannot use TrackingAdminClient
21:35:40  <Wolf01> 'night
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21:38:46  <Xaroth|Work> hm
21:39:11  <Xaroth|Work> for some reason I can't reproduce the issue o_O
21:40:03  <Xaroth|Work> TWerkhoven: can you try from libottdadmin2.adminconnection import AdminConnection
21:41:41  <TWerkhoven> that works fine
21:41:44  <Xaroth|Work> o_O
21:41:49  <TWerkhoven> adminclient works fine too
21:41:54  <Xaroth|Work> AdminConnection._settable_args ?
21:41:57  <TWerkhoven> but soon as i try trackingclient it buggetrs
21:42:04  <Xaroth|Work> should yield ['version', 'password', 'name', 'host', 'port']
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21:44:54  <Xaroth|Work> TWerkhoven: perhaps try a full remove (maybe some old .pyc files) and reinstall
21:44:56  <Xaroth|Work> of libottdadmin2
21:46:35  <TWerkhoven> ill try restarting the bot jsut now, reinstall lib tomorrow
21:50:10  <TWerkhoven> that seems to do the trick
21:50:23  <TWerkhoven> no more errors
21:50:27  <Xaroth|Work> restart or reinstall?
21:50:46  <TWerkhoven> restart of bot, as opposed to reloading the plugin
21:51:06  <TWerkhoven> it must keep the libs in memory even though my plugin is the only one using it
21:51:24  <Xaroth|Work> probably
21:51:33  <TWerkhoven> and unloading the plugin doesnt unload the lib
21:52:10  <Xaroth|Work> iirc for supybot you have to tell it what extra to unload
21:52:52  <TWerkhoven> could be, i did have to tell it to unload the accompanying in order to refresh its contents
21:53:22  * TWerkhoven makes mental note to restart lestat on update of libottdadmin2
21:54:42  <Xaroth|Work> in
21:54:46  <Xaroth|Work> you can specify what else to reload
21:55:49  <TWerkhoven> yeah, thats where i added config
21:55:59  <TWerkhoven> think reload(libottdadmin2) will be sufficient?
21:56:17  <Xaroth|Work> er, I'd go for the specific submodule
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21:56:32  <TWerkhoven> k
21:56:47  <Xaroth|Work> libottdadmin2.trackingclient sub-imports all the packets etc anyhow
21:56:52  <TWerkhoven> ill have another read of the manual tomorrow
21:57:51  <TWerkhoven> sleepytime soon for me
21:57:57  <Xaroth|Work> same
21:57:59  <Xaroth|Work> almost midnight
21:58:00  <TWerkhoven> i think i have to work tomorrow
21:58:03  <TWerkhoven> 11 here
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22:15:12  <TWerkhoven> gnite
22:16:51  <Xaroth|Work> nn
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