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However, it doesn't show that the vehicle is refittable in the "All Available vehicles" list. Inside the depot, the Refit button is ghosted out 04:23:26 <OldManPopo> Is there a game setting somewhere I've missed? 04:28:48 <roboboy> Are you using a vehicle NewGRF? 04:29:54 <OldManPopo> No 04:30:25 <OldManPopo> I should say no, the ecs vectors handled it last time (i thought) 04:34:07 <OldManPopo> I didn't have any special vehicle NewGRF's on my last installation. On my reinstallation, I thought it would just come with it :) 04:37:05 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-182-193-134.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 04:42:21 <roboboy> The standard vehicles by default don't handle any new cargoes 04:42:37 <roboboy> there is a GRF called old wagons new cargos or similar 04:43:06 <roboboy> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=37810 04:56:02 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67A7A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67236.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 04:57:13 <OldManPopo> Ok, I'll have to look that one up 04:58:12 <OldManPopo> That will also allow trucks to handle the new goods as well? I tend to build road routes until I have a decent supply of money 04:59:19 <OldManPopo> Well cool, that got the trains fixed. Need to find one for the Lorries now. Thank you for the help :) 05:03:57 *** OldManPopo [~OldManPop@199.253.248.1] has quit [] 05:54:16 *** SamanthaD [~SamanthaD@c-98-248-25-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:04:49 *** Pecio [~fgh@dqy26.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 06:14:00 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@85.186.160.35] has joined #openttd 06:20:27 *** DDR [~chatzilla@154.20.132.104] has joined #openttd 06:22:16 <dihedral> good morning 06:39:05 *** Devroush [~dennis@91.179.117.51] has joined #openttd 06:40:10 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.153.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:40:18 *** montalvo [~montalvo@macbook60.icrar.org] has joined #openttd 06:43:35 *** MatrixCL [~mielipuol@host-109-204-157-114.tp-fne.tampereenpuhelin.net] has joined #openttd 06:47:29 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-059-134.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 06:50:17 *** DDR [~chatzilla@154.20.132.104] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 06:51:14 *** Ristovski [~rafael@ppp-seco11pa2-46-193-128.78.wb.wifirst.net] has joined #openttd 06:52:28 <Rubidium> moin dihedral 07:14:35 *** Ristovski [~rafael@ppp-seco11pa2-46-193-128.78.wb.wifirst.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:16:41 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:32:31 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 07:32:59 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@85.186.160.35] has joined #openttd 07:36:27 *** Twofish [~Twofish@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:03:51 *** michi_cc [~michi@00012723.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Und weg...] 08:12:41 *** michi_cc [~michi@00012723.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:12:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 08:32:50 <dihedral> good morning Rubidium 08:33:05 <dihedral> oh - i am a little late with my response :-) 08:41:44 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:41:47 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 08:42:26 <Alberth> moin 08:59:45 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-158-56-249.range81-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:59:58 * LordAro waves hi 09:03:27 <Alberth> hi hi 09:16:00 <Alberth> hmm, encoding a train with nml should be trivial right? 09:40:41 <roboboy> I would think so 09:42:00 <Eddi|zuHause> "almost trivial" :p 09:43:20 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-182-193-134.range86-182.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:43:27 <peter1138> compared to hand crafting a newgrf, maybe 09:48:48 <Eddi|zuHause> well, someone could make a GUI around the CETS generator stcript. with a few modifications it would be able to create simple train grfs by just setting stats and putting in pictures 09:52:11 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 09:56:14 *** montalvo [~montalvo@macbook60.icrar.org] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 10:38:46 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:45:04 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.58.119.65] has joined #openttd 10:45:24 *** tst [~id@37.140.99.39] has joined #openttd 10:49:44 *** tst [~id@37.140.99.39] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:50:11 *** tst [~id@37.140.99.39] has joined #openttd 10:53:27 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 11:02:42 *** Pereba_ [~UserNick@177.41.233.224] has joined #openttd 11:07:04 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.58.119.65] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:07:12 *** Pereba_ is now known as Pereba 11:09:45 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-253.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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I was back in r24032 applying a patch. Once applied I ran hg commit so I could run diffs against it easily. I checked that everything was normal with hg status and decided to compile and test to see if the patch worked correctly in r24032 before trying to merge it into the nightly... 15:27:34 <SamanthaD> anyway... long story short is make modified four of the files that mercurial was tracking! 15:28:05 <SamanthaD> bin/baseset/openttd.grf, bin/baseset/orig_dos.obj, orig_dos_de.obj orig_win.obj 15:28:22 <SamanthaD> the last three are tweaking the MD5s for openttd.grf 15:35:45 <Alberth> yeah, you need the right grfcodec version for that 15:35:58 <Alberth> just revert the modified files 15:37:00 <Alberth> they are in the repo for people that have no grfcodec at their system 15:37:37 <SamanthaD> I'm just a bit puzzled why make modified them at all 15:37:47 <SamanthaD> they're not from the version I built off of 15:37:56 <SamanthaD> they're not the same as the current nightly, either 15:38:00 <SamanthaD> weird <.< 15:38:01 <SamanthaD> okay, reverting 15:38:11 <SamanthaD> DIE INEXPLICABLE FILES! 15:40:10 <Alberth> you have grfcodec at your system so it builds the files. Unfortunately, you have a different version than <some-version>, and the result is slightly different 15:40:34 <Alberth> which hg is very good at detecting :p 15:40:57 <SamanthaD> oh! I understand. And they're in the repository because you don't normally start with them 15:41:28 <Alberth> they are in the repo, so openttd developers don't need to have grfcodec 15:41:37 <SamanthaD> ah 15:42:06 <Alberth> where openttd developers is bigger than the list of official devs :) 15:42:25 <Alberth> ie everybody writing or compiling patches 15:42:34 <SamanthaD> yay! I'm a dev now! 15:42:39 <SamanthaD> :P 15:42:43 <Alberth> I knew it! :D 15:43:25 <SamanthaD> I've decided that instead of maintaining Advanced Timetables and Separation I'm going to try and re-write the automatic timetable management logic in it into Slim Timetables 15:43:28 <SamanthaD> people seem to like it better 15:43:36 <Alberth> people making newgrfs for openttd could also be called openttd developers :p 15:43:48 <SamanthaD> that... and whoever wrote ATS seems to have a dread phobia for commenting their source >.< 15:44:24 <Alberth> it seems a common phobia amongst programmers :( 15:44:37 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:45:20 <Alberth> so we get Slim Advanced Timetables :) 15:45:42 <Alberth> "Slim" always make me smile, it means "smart" in my native language :) 15:46:11 <SamanthaD> haha! Yeah 15:46:52 <SamanthaD> I really like Slim Timetables but... I don't like that every time I modify a route or I replace the vehicles I have to remember to run "auto fill" 15:47:21 <Alberth> yeah, its not so smart thus :) 15:47:31 <SamanthaD> I gotta love the difficulty settings 15:47:48 <SamanthaD> I nuked my configuration file since I'm using such a different version and I didn't want it causing hard-to-trace problems, eh? 15:48:15 <Alberth> sounds like a good precaution :) 15:48:19 <SamanthaD> anyway, I enable most of the cheats and give myself 200mil in moneys and it's complaining that I can't build while paused :p 15:48:39 <SamanthaD> "NO! Difficulty settings won't allow it!" 15:48:41 <LordAro> should probably enable build-while-pause when you start cheating :P 15:48:51 <Alberth> there is setting for that too :) 15:49:22 <LordAro> i mean automagically 15:51:05 <SamanthaD> maybe a better way to do it would be to have a shortcut to some of the cheat-y options in the cheat dialog? 15:52:17 <Alberth> depending on who you talk to, you could add 1/2 of the settings then, I think :) 15:52:49 <SamanthaD> Okay... maybe the cheat-y settings that are useful for devs doing quality assurance :p 15:53:11 <Rubidium> try Alt-0 and Alt-1 15:53:14 <SamanthaD> considering that's pretty much what the cheats are FOR in the first place 15:53:24 <SamanthaD> what do those do? 15:53:59 <Rubidium> they're useful for devs doing quality assurance 15:54:09 *** amiller [~amiller@129-2-129-154.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #openttd 15:54:10 <Rubidium> if they don't do anything, then you're not using a debug build 15:54:37 <LordAro> ...what do they do then? :L 15:55:02 <SamanthaD> oh! I should probably compile with the debug builds 15:55:03 <SamanthaD> oops 15:55:11 <Alberth> :D 15:55:27 <SamanthaD> that's okay, I don't expect anything to not work 15:55:45 <LordAro> of course, it's always a bug in the compiler 15:55:53 <SamanthaD> I'm just doing this so that if something STOPS working I know it was my fault :p 15:57:23 <SamanthaD> at least it had better work... the forum thread said it was a "stable" version 15:57:31 <LordAro> woah, when i compile with ./configure --enable-debug=3, i get lots of warnings.. 15:58:20 <LordAro> " # warning _FORTIFY_SOURCE requires compiling with optimization (-O)" 15:58:58 <Rubidium> then your compiler forces _FORTIFY_SOURCE it seems 15:59:39 <LordAro> just 'standard' gcc, as far as i can tell 15:59:54 <LordAro> gcc (GCC) 4.8.1 20130725 (prerelease) 16:00:12 <LordAro> and alt+0 ... still doesn't do anything 16:01:52 <LordAro> meh 16:01:58 * LordAro -> afk 16:18:43 <Xaroth|Work> twerk: had already suspected something like that, but im on vacation now so itll have to wait until next week 16:20:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A18AB7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:23:01 <TWerkhoven> :) 16:23:38 <TWerkhoven> enjoy your holidays 16:28:26 <Eddi|zuHause> so what's your excuse for being "|work" while on holiday? 16:28:55 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:28:58 <SamanthaD> alt+0 crashes everything... 16:29:12 <SamanthaD> something tells me that's what it's supposed to do 16:29:25 <Eddi|zuHause> it's a "feature 16:29:27 <Eddi|zuHause> " 16:29:33 <Eddi|zuHause> for debug builds 16:29:35 <SamanthaD> yup! 16:29:42 <SamanthaD> for generating arbitrary stack traces, right? 16:29:53 <Eddi|zuHause> something like that 16:30:05 <SamanthaD> so... what's alt+1 supposed to do? 16:30:11 <SamanthaD> 'cuz that doesn't seem to do squat 16:30:27 <Eddi|zuHause> no idea. there's probably a list somewhere 16:30:46 <Eddi|zuHause> there were some blitter test functions in there 16:31:05 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:31:09 <Eddi|zuHause> like instead of drawing a sprite, draw a random-coloured rectangle 16:31:46 <SamanthaD> ah, I see! 16:40:42 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 17:06:11 *** Ristovski [~rafael@ppp-seco11pa2-46-193-128.78.wb.wifirst.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:06:46 *** Ristovski [~rafael@ppp-seco11pa2-46-193-128.78.wb.wifirst.net] has joined #openttd 17:11:17 *** Ristovski [~rafael@ppp-seco11pa2-46-193-128.78.wb.wifirst.net] has quit [] 17:12:58 *** Ristovski [~rafael@ppp-seco11pa2-46-193-128.78.wb.wifirst.net] has joined #openttd 17:18:47 *** Devroush [~dennis@91.179.117.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:19:49 *** SamanthaD [~SamanthaD@c-98-248-25-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:21:03 <LordAro> alt+0 doesn't do anything for me.. 17:21:38 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6BC68.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:25:41 *** DDR [~chatzilla@154.20.132.104] has joined #openttd 17:30:22 *** DDR [~chatzilla@154.20.132.104] has quit [] 17:41:35 *** tst [~id@37.140.99.39] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:45:13 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25703 trunk/src/lang/czech.txt (2013-08-09 17:45:09 UTC) 17:45:14 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:15 <DorpsGek> czech - 2 changes by Eskymak 17:51:25 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-059-134.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 17:52:28 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.153.126] has joined #openttd 18:01:02 *** SamanthaD [~SamanthaD@c-98-248-25-134.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:01:34 *** KouDy_ [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 18:01:35 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:20:04 <Xaroth|Work> eddi: shell i normally use @work, best accessible from spain apparently 18:27:19 <peter1138> bastards 18:30:35 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25704 /trunk/bin/baseset (no_music.obm no_sound.obs) (2013-08-09 18:30:33 UTC) 18:30:36 <DorpsGek> -Update: baseset translations 18:32:14 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:39:42 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc22-aztw25-2-0-cust272.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:39:54 <andythenorth> o/ 18:40:40 <Alberth> \o 18:41:12 <andythenorth> Alberth is now a newgrf developer :o 18:42:17 <Alberth> you're still a lot of vehicles and other items ahead of me :p 18:43:46 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r25705 /trunk/src (8 files in 3 dirs) (2013-08-09 18:43:44 UTC) 18:43:47 <DorpsGek> -Fix: a number of typos (inspired by 90c920601c84975acb694f3673e2beb08b013753) 18:44:52 <andythenorth> so is new fruit store done yet? 18:45:10 <fonsinchen> who is 90c920601c84975acb694f3673e2beb08b013753? 18:45:27 <Rubidium> s/who/what/ 18:45:39 <fonsinchen> some git ID I guess 18:46:35 <fonsinchen> It doesn't reside in my repository, though. 18:47:34 <Rubidium> it'd fit in andy's new store though ;) 18:48:15 <andythenorth> I have a new store? :o 18:49:22 <Alberth> just like I am suddenly a new grf developer :) 18:50:02 <fonsinchen> I'd buy it 18:51:23 <Alberth> andy, and you can sell it already :) 18:52:14 <Rubidium> Alberth: you're definitely a NewGRF developer; I can see at least 65 NewGRF development commits of you 18:53:49 <Alberth> I was just shuffling code around :p 18:54:17 <fonsinchen> So, if I believe that Alberth is a new grf developer I get andy's store? Nice 18:54:28 <Rubidium> Alberth: nope, mostly proper sprite coding 18:54:42 <Alberth> :o 18:55:06 <fonsinchen> Should I start up my G4 ibook and try to reproduce FS#5694? 18:55:33 <Rubidium> feel free to do so ;) 18:55:36 <fonsinchen> I'm curious if it still works ... 18:55:53 <Alberth> good excuse to try it :) 18:56:24 <Alberth> Rubidium: so where did you find those commits then? 18:56:48 <fonsinchen> Now if I knew where it is ... 18:57:00 <Alberth> lol 18:57:19 <andythenorth> G4 iBook 18:57:22 <andythenorth> happy memories :O 18:57:37 <Rubidium> Alberth: can't remember zbasebuild? 18:57:41 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:57:51 <Wolf01> moin 18:57:51 <Alberth> hi Wolf01 18:58:02 <Alberth> Rubidium: oh, of course! 18:58:52 <andythenorth> fonsinchen: does yours have fingerprints etched into the white case by finger acid? 19:00:16 <fonsinchen> No it's more like brown all over the place where I rest my palms 19:00:41 <fonsinchen> Yeah, it works 19:01:37 <andythenorth> boing 19:01:44 <andythenorth> then wait a bit 19:06:28 <fonsinchen> Whopping 800 Mhz PPC 19:08:44 <andythenorth> 512MB? 19:08:52 <fonsinchen> 640 19:09:03 <fonsinchen> I've upgraded from 256 at some point 19:09:03 *** DDR [~chatzilla@154.20.132.104] has joined #openttd 19:09:05 <andythenorth> bonus 19:09:08 <andythenorth> 64GB? 19:09:52 <fonsinchen> I've upgraded the hard drive, too. To 120 GB I think 19:10:00 <fonsinchen> But most of that is reserved for linux 19:10:04 <andythenorth> nostalgia :) 19:10:11 <andythenorth> I don't miss the crappy plastic macs 19:11:39 <SamanthaD> my terminal emulator and emacs do not get along... 19:11:54 <SamanthaD> it thinks that M-v means "Open up the view menu" :p 19:15:30 *** megakacktus [~debussy@174-30-204-96.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #openttd 19:17:24 <fonsinchen> I remember why I hate Mac OS. Where is "~" on that silly keyboard ... 19:18:55 *** DDR [~chatzilla@154.20.132.104] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 19:19:50 * SamanthaD goes to look at one of her apple keyboards 19:20:32 <SamanthaD> fonsinchen: It's where it normally is on my keyboard! 19:20:54 <fonsinchen> Not on this laptop. But don't bother I found a way around it. 19:21:51 <fonsinchen> The crash is totally reproducible 19:23:21 <fonsinchen> The interesting question is if I can get a proper build environment going on that machine 19:23:36 <fonsinchen> I somehow remember it doesn't like my outdated Xcode 19:23:55 <SamanthaD> if all else fails, document it and claim you did it on purpose ;) 19:28:12 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:28:15 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 19:29:01 * SamanthaD is learning emacs 19:29:07 <SamanthaD> you gotta love the tutorial 19:29:14 <SamanthaD> it feels like it hasn't been updated since the early 80s 19:29:19 <SamanthaD> "If you terminal has arrow keys..." 19:29:26 <Alberth> it probably isn't 19:29:40 <SamanthaD> My terminal has arrow keys :p 19:29:47 <SamanthaD> it's also not a terminal! 19:29:56 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30:22 <Alberth> in that case, I never used a terminal :p 19:30:46 <SamanthaD> Well... I guess I've sorta used a terminal 19:31:08 <SamanthaD> does ssh-ing into a remote server turn my laptop into a terminal? 19:31:09 <fonsinchen> Internal compiler error 19:31:10 <SamanthaD> who knows! 19:31:11 <fonsinchen> great 19:31:27 <SamanthaD> fonsinchen: what compiler are you using? 19:31:51 <Alberth> SamanthaD: only if the arrow keys are unusable? 19:31:54 <fonsinchen> g++ 4.0.0 19:32:01 <SamanthaD> weird... 19:32:02 <fonsinchen> from Mac OS 10.4 after all 19:32:22 <fonsinchen> This is not weird. It's ancient 19:33:08 <SamanthaD> why don't you upgrade g++? 19:33:37 <SamanthaD> my terminal tells me I'm using 4.7 and I use Debian Stable for christ'sakes 19:33:45 <fonsinchen> Can you do that on Mac OS? 19:33:54 <SamanthaD> I guess? 19:33:56 <fonsinchen> You need XCode for that or roll your own 19:34:05 <fonsinchen> Rolling your own will be a pain in the ass 19:34:26 <fonsinchen> And Xcode isn't maintained anymore on such old systems 19:34:39 <SamanthaD> *shrugs* I just did `apt-get install build-essentials` and was happy 19:35:04 <fonsinchen> Well, another reason why I hate Mac OS, after all. 19:35:24 <SamanthaD> maybe you should consider upgrading your operating systems? 19:35:42 <SamanthaD> I mean... compiler problems are the least of your concerns when running an unmaintained OS 19:35:48 <fonsinchen> The whole purpose of it is fixing FS#5694 19:35:59 <fonsinchen> Otherwise I wouldn't have dug out that machine 19:36:03 <SamanthaD> ooooooooh... I get it 19:36:32 * SamanthaD ponders... perhaps instead of compiling it on that machine you could compile it on another machine, targeted for this machine? 19:36:46 <fonsinchen> I'd need another Mac for that 19:36:50 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: but gcc 4.0.0 is (officially) still supported 19:36:50 <fonsinchen> Which I don't have 19:36:57 <fonsinchen> hrmmmm 19:37:05 <fonsinchen> Maybe I should debug that, then 19:37:25 <Rubidium> what's the error you're getting? 19:37:27 <fonsinchen> It fails in ai_gui.cpp:1309 19:37:36 <fonsinchen> Internal compiler error: bus error 19:37:56 <Rubidium> what version of openttd? 19:38:03 <fonsinchen> 1.3.2 19:38:34 <Rubidium> just try whether commenting out that bit helps 19:39:58 <Rubidium> though... the supported is more like: we haven't heard any compile problems with it yet. Not sure whether it was recently tested 19:40:00 <fonsinchen> works if I remove the function call and just set that num to -1 19:40:23 <fonsinchen> Let's wait for another half hour until it compiles the rest 19:40:28 <fonsinchen> Then I can tell you more 19:40:51 <fonsinchen> Oh, another internal compiler error 19:41:07 <Rubidium> again of CheckHotkey? 19:41:14 <fonsinchen> yes 19:41:23 <fonsinchen> airport_gui.cpp:104 19:41:23 <SamanthaD> do you really need XCode to compile stuff?! 19:41:34 <Rubidium> #define CheckHotkey(...) (-1) ;) 19:42:30 <andythenorth> XCode is easiest way to get GCC 19:42:34 <andythenorth> there are other routes 19:42:40 <Rubidium> fonsinchen: alternatively, if you don't need the debugger, we could use the compile farm to build binaries (but that takes about 30 minutes per build) 19:43:40 <fonsinchen> Well, I do need the debugger to find out anything more interesting about that bug 19:43:46 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 19:43:52 <fonsinchen> Or do you have another idea how to do that? 19:44:23 <Rubidium> loads and loads of printfs? (yay desync debugging) 19:45:34 <fonsinchen> nah, I'll try to fix the CheckHotKeyMatch first and then go on to 5694 19:47:10 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:47:47 <megakacktus> I've got a noobie question: what exactly do the arguments to the GetString() function do? 19:47:59 * megakacktus couldn't find the answer in the docs :L 19:50:23 <Alberth> GetString(buf, STR_INDUSTRY_NAME, lastof(buf)); with char buffer[512] is not clear? 19:50:49 <Alberth> euhm char buf[512]; 19:51:15 <fonsinchen> Well, the aidebug_hotkeys are defined in ai_gui.cpp:1400 but used in line 1309 19:51:20 <fonsinchen> or did I miss anything? 19:51:43 <fonsinchen> oh, forget it 19:52:13 <megakacktus> wait... never mind... 19:58:54 <fonsinchen> It actually works if you don't define the function inline 19:59:08 <fonsinchen> So order of definition seems to trigger the compiler bug after all 20:03:37 <fonsinchen> Same for airport_gui.cpp 20:04:26 <Alberth> good that you found a way around the compile problem 20:04:47 <fonsinchen> I already worked around another problem before 20:05:38 <fonsinchen> -mmacosx-version-min is not supported by that compiler 20:05:54 <fonsinchen> So I edited it out of the makefile 20:06:26 <fonsinchen> and it warns about MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_5 not being defined all the time 20:08:12 <Alberth> just define it :p 20:08:30 <fonsinchen> it wouldn't exactly be true ... 20:08:52 <Alberth> yeah, it might break things 20:24:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc22-aztw25-2-0-cust272.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 20:24:36 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:24:52 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 20:29:57 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~Flex@i59F6CF97.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 20:35:08 <fonsinchen> Actually it's important not to define the HAVE_CONST_ICONV 20:35:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~Flex@i59F6BC68.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:35:42 <fonsinchen> So I'm compiling again from the beginning now :( 20:36:51 <__ln__> 22:33 < SamanthaD> why don't you upgrade g++? 22:33 < fonsinchen> Can you do that on Mac OS? <--- upgrading would probably lead to many kind of issues 21:00:18 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.218.176] has joined #openttd 21:02:26 *** megakacktus [~debussy@174-30-204-96.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:03:24 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:10:15 *** perk11 [~perk11@broadband-46-242-13-101.nationalcablenetworks.ru] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 21:15:18 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-44-253.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 21:20:44 *** Nat_aS [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:21:26 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:21:58 <fonsinchen> Uh-oh, lots of errors from wnd_quartz.mm 21:23:04 *** NeuhNeuh [~quassel@37.175.218.176] has joined #openttd 21:27:11 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.218.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:27:50 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.41.233.224] has quit [Quit: AdiIRC - changing standards (www.adiirc.com)] 21:28:12 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:35:33 <fonsinchen> It's done compiling 21:36:02 <fonsinchen> It actually starts and behaves normally (except for lzo not being compiled in and thus the start game not being there) 21:36:03 <Rubidium> "... and does not reproduce the bug I'm looking for" ? 21:36:11 <fonsinchen> true 21:36:19 <fonsinchen> I found tons of other bugs, though 21:37:02 <fonsinchen> Maybe one of those has a side effect that causes FS#5694 21:37:03 <__ln__> no you can't have, it's free software and therefore bug-free 21:38:14 <fonsinchen> I'll prepare some patches tomorrow. Then I can give you a different meme. 21:38:56 <fonsinchen> Oh, it throws tons of iconv errors 21:39:45 <fonsinchen> error converting <some garbage with path in it>. Errno 92 21:40:36 <__ln__> what are you doing actually? compiling trunk on 10.4/ppc? 21:41:12 <fonsinchen> no, actually 1.3.2 21:41:19 <fonsinchen> but on 10.4/ppc 21:42:11 <__ln__> good, supporting ppc is important 21:48:25 <fonsinchen> Yes, PPC has a great future ahead. Go ask IBM 21:48:28 <fonsinchen> good night 21:49:51 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-059-134.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #openttd 21:51:54 *** APTX [APTX@aptx.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:52:04 *** megakacktus [~debussy@174-30-204-96.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #openttd 22:10:11 <Wolf01> 'night 22:10:15 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:14:31 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 22:17:15 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:21:28 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.218.176] has joined #openttd 22:25:36 *** NeuhNeuh [~quassel@37.175.218.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:43:51 *** amiller [~amiller@129-2-129-154.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:25:05 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:49:03 *** pugi [~pugi@host-091-097-059-134.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has quit [] 23:49:50 *** NeuhNeuh [~quassel@37.175.218.176] has joined #openttd 23:51:21 *** mindlesstux [~mindlestu@raspberrypi.mindlesstux.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:53:59 *** Aristide [~quassel@37.175.218.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:55:50 *** megakacktus [~debussy@174-30-204-96.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]