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00:18:11 *** Bad_Brett [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:34:50 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 00:57:42 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:40:37 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:05:36 *** kais58_ [~kais58@cpc8-cwma7-2-0-cust113.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:09:29 *** kais58_ [~kais58@cpc8-cwma7-2-0-cust113.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 02:14:32 *** kais58_ is now known as kais58|AFK 02:15:17 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:14:10 *** DDR [~chatzilla@154.20.134.39] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 03:40:55 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 03:51:31 *** kais58|A1K [~kais58@cpc8-cwma7-2-0-cust113.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 03:53:10 *** kais58|AFK [~kais58@cpc8-cwma7-2-0-cust113.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:01:45 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:25:06 *** abchirk_ [~abchirk@e179071156.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC667C6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC673DF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:04:49 *** mindlesstux [~mindlestu@raspberrypi.mindlesstux.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:19:17 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@87.114.21.53] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:45:56 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 05:45:56 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.98.113.131] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:46:18 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.40.221.62] has joined #openttd 05:50:29 *** matkum [matkum@kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 05:50:42 <matkum> good morning, faboulous people 05:51:14 <matkum> as a rookie with openttd, I have a question 05:52:49 <matkum> so, if a factory produces 100 units of goods, how many carts should I purchase for transporting goods so it would be optimized 05:53:02 <matkum> 50%, 70%, 20% of the total capacity? 05:53:05 *** Pensacola [~quassel@178-85-11-66.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #openttd 05:53:07 <Supercheese> that depends on many factors 05:53:17 <Supercheese> size of wagons, station cargo rating 05:53:24 <Supercheese> wagon loading speed 05:53:36 <V453000> doesnt matter on anything, just use as many trains as you need, regardless their size 05:54:08 <Supercheese> generally, try to have one train loading all the time, and then if you can manage to get things such that once the loading train gets a full load, another empty train comes immediately to take its place 05:54:14 <matkum> so it does not matter that if I transport the whole 100 units per time 05:54:17 <Supercheese> that's the "best" 05:54:37 <Supercheese> but of course things are rarely, if ever, that steady-state 05:55:05 <matkum> okay. I will try that. thanks guys 05:56:13 <V453000> you cant have 100% in long term 05:56:16 <V453000> ~93% is max 05:56:40 <V453000> unless you autorenew your trains every year or so? :d 05:57:20 <Supercheese> or use improve station rating algorithms 05:57:31 *** AndreasB [andreas@80.64.200.25] has joined #openttd 05:57:32 <matkum> oh, is there autorenew feature as well? cool 05:57:55 <V453000> well autorenew just buys the same model just to make it "new" 05:58:11 <V453000> not really useful for anything except increasing station ratings for the first year or two 05:59:38 <AndreasB> Do you have anything useful that can help me not going to work? :pp 05:59:59 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 05:59:59 <AndreasB> "Sorry, train broke down, cant come to work today" 06:00:07 <matkum> dog ate homework 06:00:15 <matkum> classic 06:00:23 <AndreasB> -.- somehow I dont think that helps at work 06:06:00 <AndreasB> Does anyone know how I can get better quality stuff in the game? When I zoom in my eyes cry for help 06:06:26 <AndreasB> I tried looking at "how to play with 32 bp" thingie, but that didnt help at all 06:06:31 <matkum> like, hd-material? 06:06:39 <AndreasB> like hd-textures 06:07:16 <matkum> ttd in hd, would be cool, indeed 06:07:40 <AndreasB> doesnt have to be hd, just better than what it is now 06:07:57 <AndreasB> which I think is 8bps 06:08:13 <AndreasB> grainy as .. toast 06:16:01 <maddy_> AndreasB: maybe something is wrong with your eyes? I thought openttd has pretty good looking graphics :) 06:18:07 *** Zuu [~Zuu@sip.sdrf.se] has joined #openttd 06:27:41 <AndreasB> o.O 06:28:01 <AndreasB> So you claim zooming all the way in gives -good- graphics? 06:28:30 <matkum> AndreasB: i tried zooming. it looks grainy and I agree with you that the graphics should be more detailed 06:28:55 <maddy_> no, actually, I just don't use those extra zoom-in levels at all, I play at the 'default' zoom where things still look good 06:29:06 <AndreasB> lol 06:29:22 <V453000> not like the extra zoom levels are particularly useful 06:29:45 <maddy_> if you want to zoom in really close, then you should probably use the 32bpp base graphics set 06:29:56 <AndreasB> I tried 06:29:56 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 06:29:57 <AndreasB> :( 06:30:20 <Supercheese> Have you downloaded zBase? 06:30:28 <AndreasB> anyways, off to work 06:30:38 <AndreasB> zbase wasnt up for download 06:30:40 <AndreasB> link i s broken 06:30:45 <Supercheese> In the game 06:30:49 <Supercheese> Content Download -> zBase 06:31:08 <Supercheese> Check Online Content, rather 06:31:22 <Supercheese> sort by name -> bottom of list 06:33:46 <AndreasB> dang that dl is slow 06:33:54 <AndreasB> like 1-2 MB/s 06:34:02 <Supercheese> hah, slow? 06:34:06 <AndreasB> yes 06:34:18 <Supercheese> 2 Megabytes per second is fast in my book 06:34:28 <AndreasB> I downloaded BF3 in origin at 63 MB/s 06:34:33 <Supercheese> good lord 06:34:38 <Supercheese> what connection do you have? 06:34:42 <AndreasB> 1000mbit fiber 06:34:48 <Supercheese> @__@ 06:35:05 *** Zuu [~Zuu@sip.sdrf.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:36:10 <AndreasB> NOW THATS different! 06:36:32 <AndreasB> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/2974208198 06:36:36 <AndreasB> slow now :| 06:36:42 <AndreasB> anyways, bbl, work time :D 06:36:46 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has quit [] 06:43:02 <Supercheese> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/2974216744 06:43:06 * Supercheese cries. 06:46:11 <__ln__> better than what i have 06:47:10 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:00:33 *** frodus [~frodus_de@mail.offsim.no] has joined #openttd 07:14:20 *** frodus [~frodus_de@mail.offsim.no] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:19:47 *** TWerkhoven [~TWerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:25:49 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.37.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:26:44 <Supercheese> 'night 07:26:46 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.157.55] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0.1/20130814063812]] 07:29:48 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 08:05:09 *** Extrems [borgs@24.157.137.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:09:23 *** Extrems [borgs@24.157.137.219] has joined #openttd 08:15:46 <dihedral> greetings 08:16:46 *** TWerkhoven [~TWerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 08:22:41 <planetmaker> o/ 08:24:52 *** roadt_ [~roadt@114.96.140.32] has joined #openttd 08:27:12 *** Pecio [~fgh@abzz199.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 08:45:01 *** roadt_ [~roadt@114.96.140.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:49:13 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:53:27 *** kais58|A1K is now known as kais58_ 08:54:22 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.140.32] has joined #openttd 09:04:00 *** montalvo [~montalvo@papc-ma276.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 09:13:14 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-166-174-139.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:19:15 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host86-158-153-94.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:24:38 <AndreasB> __ln__: What do you have? 09:25:56 <__ln__> around 16 / 0.8 09:27:58 <AndreasB> o.O 09:27:59 <AndreasB> :( 09:36:33 <AndreasB> thats just sad 09:44:51 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-166-174-139.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:56:41 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@85.186.160.35] has joined #openttd 10:00:39 <peter1138> Oh for god's sake... 10:00:50 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 10:03:53 <LordAro> ? 10:05:16 <peter1138> Excess packaging. http://imgur.com/4rLfOw1 10:14:19 <LordAro> indeed 10:15:40 <peter1138> Now... should I get an AeroPress? 10:42:49 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 10:46:48 <oskari89> http://www.gtchannel.com/blog/nissan-z-development-officially-starts 10:47:07 <oskari89> Someone has copied some shapes from Aston Martini in that case 10:47:32 <oskari89> *Aston Martin :P 10:51:19 <LordAro> er, yes 10:51:56 <LordAro> also ford: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dUMb1CxmPjo/UHyDAWu_CAI/AAAAAAAJjzE/WwL13chZg10/s1600/aston-martin_ford-2013-fusion-mondeo-1--.jpg 10:52:19 <LordAro> i think aston martin needs to find themselves some lawyers 11:06:12 <peter1138> One black car looks similar to another black car? Okay. 11:07:01 <LordAro> the grill, specifically 11:08:45 <peter1138> Yeah, looks similar to a Mini. 11:28:54 <AndreasB> nana....naaaiii (Watching videos of Niall Horan is bad.. ) 11:33:35 <maddy_> AndreasB: I'll take your word for it 11:50:25 *** tmsft [~id@37.140.124.50] has joined #openttd 11:52:32 *** guo_linux [~guo@116.226.54.134] has joined #openttd 11:56:43 <MNIM> hah 11:56:55 <MNIM> I was wondering, why is that aston martin wearing a ford badge? 11:58:18 *** roadt [~roadt@114.96.140.32] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:08:27 <AndreasB> maddy_: I keep going around saying "nana....Naaiii" 12:08:46 <AndreasB> And other strange sounds.. Life would be boring without strange sounds 12:14:14 <LordAro> MNIM: someone understands! :p 12:18:55 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.40.221.62] has quit [Quit: AdiIRC! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://adiirc.com/] 12:21:16 <maddy_> AndreasB: yes, that is enough information for me about that subject, so I'll have to take your word for it, was my point 12:21:22 <AndreasB> Ah :D 12:21:29 <AndreasB> You dont like One Direction? 12:21:49 <maddy_> I mean, I don't know who he or she is, and don't want to know based on what I've heard so far, so I don't want to google it up 12:23:08 <maddy_> because I tend to have a bad habit of googling everything up that I haven't heard about 12:23:36 <AndreasB> o.O But Niall Horan is hot :D :P 12:23:42 <AndreasB> Worth googling. 12:24:21 <peter1138> Nah, he looks like a little boy. 12:24:42 <LordAro> AndreasB: just wondering, how old are you? 12:24:53 <AndreasB> 27 12:25:08 <__ln__> years or months? 12:25:11 <AndreasB> HAHA years 12:25:13 <LordAro> ^^ 12:25:21 <AndreasB> Well, at least on paper 12:25:42 <AndreasB> peter1138: You must be looking at an old picture 12:26:14 <peter1138> Whatever appeared on Google images. 12:26:21 <AndreasB> http://bestwallpaperhd.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/niall-horan-2013-wallpaper.png 12:26:43 <LordAro> i am NOT having that link in my history 12:26:47 <peter1138> Yup, little boy. 12:26:51 <AndreasB> Look 20 to me 12:26:57 <peter1138> Exactlky. 12:27:00 <AndreasB> LordAro: Haha 12:27:13 <maddy_> still not looking it up :) and not clicking on that link 12:27:17 <AndreasB> peter1138: Whats wrong with 20yo's?` 12:27:24 <peter1138> One, I'm 35. 12:27:35 <AndreasB> Im still w aiting for a good reason 12:27:53 <peter1138> Two, I'm not really into men. 12:28:15 <V453000> looks like 20 yo faggot or 13 yo boyie 12:28:21 <V453000> peter1138 is right 12:28:21 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:28:29 <AndreasB> peter1138: Thats a good point 12:28:41 <AndreasB> But even as a straight man, you have to admit that hes above average 12:28:54 <V453000> 4% is above average 12:29:02 <AndreasB> Niall is above average 12:29:09 <AndreasB> [14:28:23] <V453000> looks like 20 yo faggot 12:29:10 <AndreasB> I wish 12:29:19 <V453000> I dont 12:29:35 <AndreasB> Why? Do you care what sexual orientation other people have? 12:30:10 *** DanMacK [~453f332b@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 12:30:11 <LordAro> AndreasB: now i'm confused. what gender are you? 12:30:20 <peter1138> AndreasB, well, homophobic men always seem to think a homosexual man is going to want to rape them... stupid. 12:30:29 <DanMacK> Hey all 12:30:45 <LordAro> run away while you still can DanMacK :) 12:30:59 <peter1138> Why? The GPL argument stopped hours ago. 12:31:08 <DanMacK> lmao yeah... 12:31:15 *** Pensacola [~quassel@178-85-11-66.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:31:21 <DanMacK> heh, I was there for a bit of that 12:31:44 *** guo_linux is now known as xiaoguo 12:31:50 <peter1138> LordAro, Andreas is a male name, so... 12:31:50 <V453000> I dont understand licenses for shit after yesterday 12:32:04 *** Pensacola [~quassel@178-85-11-66.dynamic.upc.nl] has joined #openttd 12:32:24 <DanMacK> It's confusing on the best day 12:32:27 <V453000> everybody is what they want on the internet, sac is probably male too 12:32:27 <juzza1> me neither 12:32:47 <peter1138> Most people are just douches. 12:32:53 <V453000> point 12:33:04 <LordAro> am i? :3 12:33:35 <peter1138> :) 12:35:19 <peter1138> Not that I'm aware of, yet :p 12:36:52 <LordAro> yayz :) 12:37:06 * LordAro feels loved ^^ 12:37:08 <LordAro> :P 12:39:42 <maddy_> if you have to ask if you're a douche or not, doesn't that make you dangerously close to being one? 12:43:30 <AndreasB> [14:30:28] <@peter1138> AndreasB, well, homophobic men always seem to think a homosexual man is going to want to rape them... stupid. 12:43:37 <AndreasB> If he looks like Niall he better run :D 12:43:57 <AndreasB> And yes, Andreas is a boys name 12:44:13 <maddy_> AndreasB: so you're gay or bi then? and wanted to share that with us? 12:44:13 <AndreasB> My name is NOT Andrea :P 12:44:19 <AndreasB> I'm myself :D 12:44:28 <AndreasB> I'm me, are you you? 12:44:33 <maddy_> I hope so :) 12:44:36 <AndreasB> Me too 12:44:50 <AndreasB> Why do I have to put myself in a .. "box" ? 12:45:07 <AndreasB> If the question is "Can you find a boy attractive" then the answer is yes 12:45:37 <AndreasB> The problem with English language is that you only have one word for bisexual 12:45:46 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:45:47 <AndreasB> while we in Norwegian (According to me atleast) have two. 12:46:01 <AndreasB> One to define who you can fall in love with, and one to define the sexual part 12:46:26 <maddy_> people in general like to categorize things, including other people...put them in neatly defined boxes with neat little labels 12:46:39 <AndreasB> And in my opinion sexuality is more complicated than "yes/no" 12:47:00 <AndreasB> Some people tend to get mad at me when I can say that something is gay 12:47:04 * roboboy goes to have a look at this GPL arguement 12:47:13 <AndreasB> Boys watching my little pony for example is pretty gay 12:47:27 <AndreasB> That doesnt mean that I am saying that you have to watch it if one is gay 12:47:43 <AndreasB> But, this has nothing to do with openttd, so imma shut up now 12:48:21 <maddy_> you sure? could be extremely important for the next openttd release.. 12:48:25 <AndreasB> haha 12:48:31 <AndreasB> I doubt that 12:49:14 <AndreasB> I find openttd confusing 12:49:20 <AndreasB> Whenever I start a game I have no idea what to do 12:50:15 <AndreasB> Can a train "line" be too long? Is there an optimal length for length->Payment ratio? 12:51:23 <blathijs> roboboy: Rumour goes you occasionally play with the DOS build of OpenTTD, is that true? 12:51:26 <juzza1> depends on the newgrf (answer is no) 12:51:27 <planetmaker> yes. yes. check the payment graphs. And figure it out 12:51:39 <AndreasB> payment graphs? 12:51:42 <juzza1> per-newgrf, maybe 12:51:58 <roboboy> I do ocasionaly. I even wrote the article on the Wiki about setting it up. 12:52:02 <planetmaker> yes, payment graphcs. 12:52:03 <blathijs> roboboy: If so, could you check to see if things still work with this patch? http://www.stderr.nl/static/tmp/openttd-licensing/0001-Change-DOS-Put-cwsdpmi-and-exe2coff-files-in-subdire.patch 12:52:13 <AndreasB> looking 12:52:34 <peter1138> I'm not too fussed about labels, it's when labels are used to persecute... 12:52:39 <AndreasB> is it days * rate ? 12:52:48 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 12:52:55 <peter1138> (Damn that V453000 throwing around that f-word) 12:53:03 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttd.org/Game_mechanics 12:53:10 <AndreasB> thanks 12:53:28 <peter1138> Also damn my internet connection for being so laggy right now :S 12:53:34 <blathijs> roboboy: (you might need a git checkout and "git am" to apply that patch, since it contains a number of renamed files that a regular patch probably won't pick up) 12:54:22 <roboboy> well I never got DOS compilation working. I think the build I had was buit by Rubidium 12:54:39 <blathijs> roboboy: Ah, right. Never mind, then :_) 12:54:43 <blathijs> s/_/-/ 12:55:45 <roboboy> Iv'e book marked it incase I do get it working 12:56:35 <blathijs> roboboy: I'll probably commit that today or tomorrow anyway :-) 12:57:16 <roboboy> ok. If someone wants to build it for me, then I will get my DOS machine running again. 12:58:40 <roboboy> I think FreeDOS comes with all the extras I mentioned on the wiki anyway 12:59:56 <roboboy> I should set it up regardless to test TTDPatch 2.5's nearly final build before it is released as a Stable :P 13:01:57 <Eddi|zuHause> wait... TTDPatch stable? :p 13:05:43 <V453000> peter1138: FUCK what? 13:06:26 <peter1138> Not that one. 13:07:02 <roboboy> 99% of known bugs are fixed in the 2.5 branch of TTDPatch and patchman has agreed to release it as a stable when the last bug is fixed. 13:07:11 <V453000> f-word = realism? 13:07:46 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000 arguing for "realism" would be a first :p 13:10:26 <blathijs> roboboy: Quick, submit more bugs! ;-P 13:10:56 <roboboy> there is always 2.6 for that 13:11:01 <peter1138> Patchman's alive? 13:11:07 <AndreasB> TTDPatch? 13:11:15 <AndreasB> why not just incorporate it into openttd? 13:11:48 <roboboy> yeah, he is alive if only by email once in a while 13:12:47 <roboboy> because I want to play TTD and not OpenTTD, OpenTTD no longer feels like TTD in my opinion while TTDPatch still does and I want to play TTD 13:13:11 *** Pecio [~fgh@abzz199.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #openttd [] 13:14:12 <DanMacK> OpenTTD in my opinion is more like TTD2 at this point 13:14:25 <AndreasB> is.. 13:14:34 <AndreasB> TTDPatch something for TTD or for openttd also? 13:14:40 <DanMacK> only TTD 13:14:43 <AndreasB> ah 13:14:46 <AndreasB> then I get it 13:14:48 <DanMacK> TTDP is pre-OTTD 13:14:59 <AndreasB> ahh 13:15:19 <roboboy> We may not have NewGRF's without it 13:15:21 <juzza1> TTDP is what started this madness 13:15:27 <DanMacK> heh, yeah 13:15:50 <roboboy> I suspect OpenTTD would have gone a different route that TTDP couldn't take 13:16:40 <roboboy> well I should go to bed 13:16:41 <AndreasB> how come openttd doesnt break any copyright rules? 13:16:45 <DanMacK> it did 13:16:49 <AndreasB> Isnt it basicly the same thing? 13:17:03 <DanMacK> oh shit... lol Close that can of worms 13:17:16 <roboboy> long story short no one realy knows if it did or didn't 13:17:42 <DanMacK> it might in some areas, not in others 13:18:27 <AndreasB> But does it use any TTD code? o.O 13:18:33 <roboboy> the original work was done behind closed doors and then made Open Source once it ran. It suddenly appeared out of nowhere in the TT-Forums admin's inbox one day 13:18:45 <AndreasB> lol 13:18:50 <roboboy> that's my understanding of how it happened 13:19:18 <roboboy> DanMacK, probably knows more as he was arround this community before I found it 13:20:58 <roboboy> gnight peoples 13:22:11 <AndreasB> whaa? 13:22:12 <AndreasB> gnight? 13:22:16 <AndreasB> its 3pm here 13:22:39 <DanMacK> heh, Ive been here awhile for sure 13:22:46 <planetmaker> from my understanding, what the original author did was legal at least in the place he did it 13:23:05 <DanMacK> He decoded it and rewrote it in C AFAIK 13:23:26 <planetmaker> people tend to forget that legislation differs between countries 13:24:02 <planetmaker> and that legislation changed quite a bit, too 13:29:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't think anybody here actually checked swedish law... 13:29:29 <Eddi|zuHause> basically, we all take his word for it 13:29:42 <Eddi|zuHause> and so far nobody has sued, so no court has told otherwise 13:30:26 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:41:02 <AndreasB> OpenTTD is swedish ? :D 13:41:27 <AndreasB> Weird how most players are either polish or russian :S 13:43:22 <planetmaker> openttd is neither Swedish nor Russian nor Polish. 13:43:52 <planetmaker> nor would I believe that "most players" are Russian or Polish (though both countries have strong communities) 13:44:08 <AndreasB> Most players I see are polish or russian 13:44:15 <AndreasB> And I see ~0 scandinavian players 13:44:28 <AndreasB> How does the player list work? Are there a lot of servers not listed? 13:44:36 <AndreasB> server list* 13:44:42 <planetmaker> that's different. I see scandinavian people daily here 13:44:52 <AndreasB> in-game? 13:45:14 <planetmaker> sometimes. I play the meta game in this channel ;-) 13:45:18 <planetmaker> mostly 13:45:20 <AndreasB> hah 13:46:15 <planetmaker> and at the last two OpenTTD meetings we had more than 10% Scandinavians. But 0% Russians and Polish participants ;-) 13:46:36 <AndreasB> hmm 13:47:15 <planetmaker> and it's hard to judge the 10000s of players who never show up anywhere but just play :-) 13:47:55 <AndreasB> Those are wannabes 13:47:59 <AndreasB> real players go multiplayer 13:48:01 <planetmaker> http://stats.openttd.org/ctry_usage_201308.png 13:48:14 <AndreasB> oh 13:48:16 <AndreasB> 2% russian lol 13:48:30 <AndreasB> I would count as unresolved :D 13:48:42 <AndreasB> Does it check based on reverse host? 13:48:46 <AndreasB> Or IP whois block? 13:48:57 *** xiaoguo [~guo@116.226.54.134] has quit [Quit: 犻åŒ] 13:49:32 <Xaroth|Work> what's even more disturbing 13:49:43 <AndreasB> hm? 13:49:44 <planetmaker> I'd say you'd count as "Norwegian" 13:49:45 <Xaroth|Work> 0.31% of visitors searched http://www.openttd.org/ to get to the site 13:50:05 <AndreasB> AndreasB is andreas@80.64.200.25 13:50:07 <AndreasB> really? 13:50:09 <AndreasB> sure bout that? 13:50:13 <AndreasB> I count as .25 13:50:35 <Xaroth|Work> an ip is not a TLD 13:51:26 <Xaroth|Work> but that range's rdns is covered by brisner.no 13:51:30 <Xaroth|Work> so i agree with planetmaker 13:52:56 *** maddy_ [~plaiho@v44.woima.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:54:24 <LordAro> bash wizards! a problem for you: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2640/ 13:55:13 <Xaroth|Work> LordAro: regexp on \d.\d(optional .\d) 13:55:15 <Xaroth|Work> ? 13:55:54 <LordAro> you're going to have to be more explicit than that :p (i'm not very good at bash/regex) 13:56:11 <SpComb> grep --only-matching 13:56:41 <Xaroth|Work> (\d\.\d(\.\d)?) 13:57:14 <Xaroth|Work> wait, that doesn't reeaally work 13:57:14 <SpComb> you need some + in there 13:57:23 <Xaroth|Work> (\d+\.\d+(\.\d+)?) 13:57:25 <Xaroth|Work> aye 13:57:37 *** maddy_ [~plaiho@v44.woima.fi] has joined #openttd 13:57:47 <AndreasB> Xaroth: Never said it was. 13:57:59 <Xaroth|Work> will match any <digit(s)>.<digit(s)>[.<digit(s)>] 13:58:05 <Xaroth|Work> AndreasB: 15:50 < AndreasB> I count as .25 13:58:18 <Xaroth|Work> that makes the assumption that everything after the @ is a hostname 13:58:21 <Xaroth|Work> which is false 13:58:24 <AndreasB> *facepalm* 13:58:26 <LordAro> Xaroth|Work: umm, you sure? i'm getting no output 13:58:31 <AndreasB> It was an joke 13:58:36 <AndreasB> I dont use rdns 13:58:46 <AndreasB> GeoIP should never be done based on rnds 13:58:58 <Xaroth|Work> no, but people do it by rdns ;) 13:59:14 <AndreasB> bcountry: NO 13:59:25 <AndreasB> as described in the IP block 13:59:28 <AndreasB> whois info 13:59:42 *** Zuu [~Zuu@gateway.sdr.org] has joined #openttd 14:00:34 <Xaroth|Work> LordAro: not sure how to do that with grep 14:00:40 <LordAro> /o Zuu 14:00:57 <LordAro> Xaroth|Work: what would you use then? ;p 14:01:21 <Zuu> hello 14:01:48 <planetmaker> hail thee, fellow meta player from Scandinavia ;-) 14:02:08 <Zuu> :-) 14:03:04 <planetmaker> oh, you don't have a "bahnhof" address anymore :D 14:03:24 <Zuu> not for a while 14:04:09 <planetmaker> :-) 14:04:16 <Zuu> I may use them as ISP again, but where I am at the moment they aren't available. 14:04:17 <planetmaker> not like I keep track of it 14:04:37 <planetmaker> but we had this topic about hostnames just now :-) 14:04:42 <Zuu> oh 14:05:10 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.210] has joined #openttd 14:12:34 <LordAro> "grep --only-matching '[0-9]\+\.[0-9]\+\(\.[0-9]\+\)\?'" <-- does that seem like an excessive number of backslashes to anyone else? 14:13:11 <planetmaker> not to me 14:13:37 <Xaroth|Work> needs more backslashes tbh 14:13:43 <Xaroth|Work> silly grep :| 14:14:02 <Xaroth|Work> but shouldn't \d work better than [0-9] ? 14:14:31 <Xaroth|Work> \d\+\.\d\+\(\.\d\+\)\? 14:14:38 <Xaroth|Work> (moar backslashes \o/ ) 14:15:51 <LordAro> apparently not 14:16:02 <LordAro> at least, not with the default regex mode 14:16:12 <LordAro> (and no, i can't be bothered to test the others :P ) 14:19:02 <Xaroth|Work> silly regexp 14:20:10 *** DanMacK [~453f332b@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:20:53 <Eddi|zuHause> tried "grep -E"? 14:21:43 <Eddi|zuHause> i always get confused which regexp parts need escaping and which don't... 14:22:12 <LordAro> i think i did... 14:22:13 <LordAro> :L 14:22:19 * Zuu too as it differs from parser to parser 14:22:33 <Eddi|zuHause> we should standardize regexp to end the confusion! :p 14:22:59 <Zuu> yeah that would be good :-) 14:23:36 <LordAro> http://xkcd.com/927/ :p 14:23:54 <SpComb> I can never get vim's regexps right on the first try 14:26:06 <retro|cz> SpComb, where is problem? 14:26:32 <SpComb> it has different escaping rules for regexp symbols than any other regexp engine I've ever used 14:27:17 <Eddi|zuHause> i vaguely remember thinking that vim's escaping rules were "better", but i'm not quite sure 14:27:44 <SpComb> it wants you to escape everything, except some things 14:30:51 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 14:31:02 <SpComb> (and then it also has four different modes for escaping more or fewer things) 14:32:16 <Zuu> It depends on how you use it. If you use it mostly as a plain text search, then it is better to reverse escaping so that you need to write eg. \[0-9\] to make a class. But if you use the classes more, then a more traditional escaping is better. 14:33:03 <Zuu> I guess that is why some symbols in vim needs a \ to become a magic symbol. 14:33:05 <SpComb> the default is * but \+. And [...] but \(...\) 14:36:52 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, now i remember what was "better" with vim: you could do multi-line matching 14:38:43 <LordAro> Zuu: http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=68690 14:40:20 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:43:14 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.40.221.62] has joined #openttd 14:46:25 <Zuu> LordAro: Thanks 14:47:48 *** Hendrick [~Hendrick@212.93.105.50] has joined #openttd 14:48:17 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6B9E0.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:06:10 <peter1138> Hmm, should I use object locking or exceptions? 15:07:00 <peter1138> if (dict.ContainsKey(foo)) return dict[foo]; 15:07:27 <peter1138> dict could've been changed 15:09:44 <Eddi|zuHause> then exceptions might help you 15:10:12 <Eddi|zuHause> try: return dict[foo] except Whatever: blah 15:10:23 <peter1138> yeah 15:10:23 <peter1138> or 15:10:42 <peter1138> lock (padlock) if (dict.ContainsKey(foo)) return dict[foo]; 15:10:59 <peter1138> and make sure padlock is locked if dict changes 15:11:04 <Eddi|zuHause> i generally try to avoid evaluating the same thing twice 15:11:42 <peter1138> skip the containskey bit 15:12:22 <peter1138> someone is bound to complain that that is using exceptions as flow control which is bad and wrong 15:13:23 <Eddi|zuHause> then give the reason "do not evaluate dict twice, because it might change" 15:14:09 <Eddi|zuHause> but if you worry about dict changing, who says that dict[foo] is atomic? 15:14:32 *** Hendrick_ [~Hendrick@212.93.100.46] has joined #openttd 15:16:05 <peter1138> maybe i should use exceptions AND the lock, heh 15:17:18 <TWerkhoven> python? 15:19:45 <TWerkhoven> if so, why not use dict.get(foo), itll return None if key does not exist 15:20:07 <peter1138> no 15:20:50 *** Hendrick [~Hendrick@212.93.105.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:28:22 <Eddi|zuHause> TWerkhoven: but what if dict[foo] is None? 15:28:38 *** DanMacK [~453f332b@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:28:40 <Eddi|zuHause> and it still doesn't say anwhere that .get() is atomic either 15:30:04 <DanMacK> Anyone use Tortoise hg? 15:30:26 <juzza1> yes 15:30:58 <DanMacK> was going to ask how to purge pending changes instead of pushing them 15:31:45 <Eddi|zuHause> "France forbids 'beauty contests' for people under the age of 16" 15:32:47 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:33:25 <planetmaker> DanMacK, you want to loose that work. Or just remove the commits? 15:33:49 <juzza1> I ran into that once, solved by deleting local repo and pulling remote, but i guess there must be a better way 15:33:55 <oskari89> There is 15:34:01 <oskari89> Just a minute 15:34:17 <Xaroth|Work> Eddi|zuHause: you can create an arbitrary empty object 15:34:20 <Xaroth|Work> and use .get(foo, empty) 15:34:25 <Xaroth|Work> and compare the result to empty :) 15:34:50 <oskari89> Right click the one changeset you want to get rid of (not yet pushed) 15:35:11 <oskari89> Modify history at the bottom -> Strip 15:35:38 <oskari89> And then click strip :) 15:35:47 <Eddi|zuHause> Xaroth|Work: and how is that any shorter/clearer/more elegant/safer/whatever than catching a KeyError exception? 15:35:54 <blathijs> peter1138: Doing dict[foo] and catch an exception is more pythonic 15:36:03 <Xaroth|Work> Eddi|zuHause: exceptions are expensive 15:36:14 <Xaroth|Work> blathijs: that's debatable 15:36:25 <oskari89> DanMacK: Did that work? :) 15:37:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Xaroth|Work: but how are you hiding "empty" in a way that it is guaranteed to never be used outside this function? 15:38:54 <blathijs> Xaroth|Work: It's commonly referred to as "Easier to ask forgiveness than permission" (EAFP) and AFAIK it's considered the more sane programming style in python 15:39:11 <blathijs> THat said, I can't find it in a PEP or anything really authorative 15:39:58 <blathijs> Xaroth|Work: Are exeptions so expensive in python? Also, doing the lookup twice (in the common case where the key _is_ in the dict) als seems expensive to me 15:40:39 *** qwebirc90067 [~oftc-webi@136.Red-83-33-152.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #openttd 15:41:47 *** qwebirc90067 [~oftc-webi@136.Red-83-33-152.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:41:50 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B767.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:46:10 <DanMacK> Yeah :D 15:55:42 *** mindlesstux [~mindlestu@raspberrypi.mindlesstux.com] has joined #openttd 15:55:54 <peter1138> Yeah this isn't python, it's C# 15:56:04 <peter1138> And everything I read says to not use the exception method :S 16:00:21 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 16:00:34 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387AEAF.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 16:01:39 <blathijs> peter1138: Ah, the casing of ContainsKey should have tipped me off there :-) 16:06:08 <peter1138> I wonder if that's just a generic crap about exceptions though... 16:06:33 <peter1138> In 99.999% of cases the key will exist, so the exception won't be triggered. 16:06:39 <Eddi|zuHause> i think that's just generic crap about exceptions 16:06:53 <blathijs> optimizing for the common case seems the better strategy to me 16:07:02 <peter1138> there is a very very minor chance of the dict changing between the check and the lookup 16:07:13 <peter1138> the usual wisdom is to insert a lock 16:07:27 <peter1138> but what about the performance penalty of doing a lock that 99.99% of the time is not needed... 16:09:34 <peter1138> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12416735/containskey-vs-try-catch 16:09:34 <peter1138> Hah 16:09:54 <peter1138> try-catch is faster when most lookups are successful 16:10:43 <peter1138> (the particular example there is bogus) 16:10:58 <blathijs> peter1138: I do think that holds for most locks, that they're not needed 99.99% of the time :-) 16:11:05 <peter1138> True 16:11:35 <blathijs> But it also depends if the dict itself makes any kind of guarantees about thread-safety 16:12:46 <blathijs> I can imagine implementations of a dict which would crash if you insert something into the dict halfway a lookup 16:13:50 <peter1138> Point 16:16:00 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:16:03 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:16:29 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-169.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:16:51 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd9b5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:24:00 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:25:03 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:31:01 <alluke> time goes so fast in normal ottd 16:31:09 <alluke> must cheat it back a bit 16:38:21 <Eddi|zuHause> write a daylength patch 16:41:54 <peter1138> :D 16:50:03 *** montalvo [~montalvo@papc-ma276.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 17:05:29 <peter1138> Oh well, I decided on a simpler solution. The dict is never actually updated, only replaced. So I can just take a local copy of it. 17:06:48 <peter1138> Now, unless a = b is not atomic, it shouldn't need locking ever. 17:14:31 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:21:23 <Rubidium> in a highly pipelined CPU, what is atomic? 17:24:41 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:24:44 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 17:27:08 <retro|cz> peter1138, Do you have plan to rewrite OTTD into C#? 17:27:32 <glx> don't be silly 17:29:29 *** tmsft [~id@37.140.124.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:29:31 <Rubidium> it's easy to write "OTTD" in C# ;) 17:30:13 <LordAro> Console.Writeline("OTTD"); :D 17:30:16 <Rubidium> public class OTTD { publis static void Main { System.Console.WriteLine("OTTD"); } } 17:30:23 <LordAro> damn 17:30:24 <LordAro> :p 17:30:42 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-216-71.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:30:45 <LordAro> and i forgot the capital 'L' 17:32:04 * Rubidium guestimates that's in the order of magnitude of 1% of all C# code I've ever written ;) 17:32:39 <LordAro> probably about 0.1% for me :) 17:32:49 <LordAro> and you still managed to do it better :p 17:33:02 <LordAro> wait, no, 0.01% 17:33:38 *** ST2 [~ST2@37.189.144.29] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:34:08 *** Hendrick_ [~Hendrick@212.93.100.46] has quit [Quit: Truly, the end of days.] 17:34:11 <peter1138> retro|cz, no. 17:34:14 *** ST2 [~ST2@37.189.144.29] has joined #openttd 17:34:19 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-169.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org] 17:34:20 <retro|cz> peter1138, sad story :/ 17:34:30 <LordAro> bash: "`...`" or "$(...)" ? i've read that "`...`" is deprecated 17:35:28 <retro|cz> damn Rubidium you're C# superstar 17:35:32 <retro|cz> publis? 17:35:40 <retro|cz> It should be pubic I think. 17:35:58 <retro|cz> or pubis? 17:41:40 <Eddi|zuHause> does clicking on "create project" in msvc count as "writing code"? 17:42:42 <Pinkbeast> It's meta-writing code 17:45:42 *** tycoondemon2 [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 17:49:26 *** KouDy_ [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 17:49:59 *** Netsplit resistance.oftc.net <-> oxygen.oftc.net quits: Xaroth|Work, namad7, TheDude, @Belugas, tycoondemon, retro|cz, KouDy 17:49:59 *** Xaroth|Work [~XarothAtW@194.1.204.204] has joined #openttd 17:51:38 *** namad7 [aaaaa@pool-96-236-139-72.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 17:51:40 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.230] has joined #openttd 17:51:43 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 17:56:46 <LordAro> bash: "`...`" or "$(...)" ? i've read that "`...`" is deprecated 17:58:40 <Eddi|zuHause> i usually use $() as it's clearer 17:59:40 <LordAro> that's what i was thinking 18:01:57 *** Netsplit over, joins: retro|cz 18:04:26 <LordAro> say, this is pretty neat: http://www.shellcheck.net/ 18:10:57 <peter1138> retro|cz, why sad? It would only make it slower... 18:13:46 <LordAro> peter1138: but you'd have a patch for making it faster, right? 18:14:35 <Eddi|zuHause> but it would lie there for years not being committed 18:14:51 <retro|cz> no, it will be paid patch in Windows Store 18:15:59 <LordAro> ouch 18:16:07 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host180-136-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 18:16:30 <Wolf01> hello 18:16:44 <LordAro> /o 18:17:20 <peter1138> Heh, I do all my C#ing on mono... 18:17:37 <LordAro> phew :p 18:18:19 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:20:56 <Eddi|zuHause> hey, i was young and needed the money... 18:20:58 *** DDR [~chatzilla@154.20.134.39] has joined #openttd 18:21:21 <LordAro> something, something, morals, something 18:21:35 <peter1138> Hmm, 2560x1440 monitors... 18:22:03 * LordAro wants 18:22:09 <retro|cz> Eddi|zuHause, so you're former porno actor? 18:22:38 <Eddi|zuHause> ... almost 18:22:43 <peter1138> LordAro, better, 2560x1600. 16:10 ratio :D 18:22:47 <peter1138> Shame it's 30" 18:23:11 <peter1138> £600 +vat :S 18:23:23 <LordAro> :( 18:23:23 <peter1138> or £650 +vat for the 10 bit version, hmm... 18:23:33 <Eddi|zuHause> you can't say '30"' and "porno" within few lines :p 18:23:58 <LordAro> i'll just wait for a 4k screen :) 18:24:13 <peter1138> Why wait? 18:24:31 <Eddi|zuHause> why pay 10k for it? 18:24:33 <peter1138> http://www.asus.com/Monitors_Projectors/PQ321Q/ 18:24:47 <peter1138> Eddi|zuHause, and another 10k for the GPUs needed... 18:24:49 <Rubidium> 4k is pretty low quality ;) 18:26:02 <LordAro> fine then, and eyefinity setup of 6x4k screens :p 18:26:09 <oskari89> OpenTTD at 2560x1600 sounds fine :D 18:26:12 <Eddi|zuHause> i think i already paid way enough on my 100⬠graphics card 18:26:13 <Rubidium> I already seen 8k in real life over 5 years ago 18:27:13 <Rubidium> or rather, "Super Hi-Vision" as that also boast 22.2 surround sound besides 8K 18:28:01 <LordAro> Rubidium: are you talking about a cinema? :p 18:28:25 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 18:28:56 <Rubidium> LordAro: regarding eyefinity http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Frame-Rating-Eyefinity-vs-Surround-Single-and-Multi-GPU-Configurations/Discov 18:29:22 <Rubidium> apparantly it's still quite buggy 18:29:27 <Rubidium> but no, not in the cinema 18:30:11 <Rubidium> it was in a research lab at NHK 18:33:38 <LordAro> ah, NHK, i might have known 18:34:14 <Eddi|zuHause> it would probably be weird to get a screen instead of a projector in a cinema 18:37:13 <LordAro> regarding eyefinity, that seems to be a bug with the driver in general - i experience those problems myself (1x1080p screen, catalyst driver) 18:38:56 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 18:43:49 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:45:44 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-169.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 18:46:46 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 18:50:20 <glx> LordAro: catalyst is the problem ;) 18:51:37 <glx> a driver that needs .net framework (even if it's only for the control center) is not a good thing for me 18:52:29 <Eddi|zuHause> what's wrong with .net framework? 18:53:58 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 18:56:20 <glx> it just slows windows starting, because it needs to launch .net to be able to launch control center 18:57:28 <LordAro> glx: unfortunately, it's the only option for any sort of gaming - the opensource version just isn't up to it (yet) 18:58:13 <Eddi|zuHause> honestly, i have never cared about windows startup time on my systems 18:58:41 <Eddi|zuHause> but on my father's computer it takes like 15 minutes until it's usable 18:58:53 <glx> yeah I know that 18:59:27 <glx> and if you try to do something with it before that time it may hang 19:00:04 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah 19:00:21 <Eddi|zuHause> i've had that happen a few times 19:00:27 <Eddi|zuHause> and always when i was in a hurry 19:06:20 <Xaroth|Work> glx: the .net requirement is only for the control center; which is loaded after startup, not during 19:07:08 <glx> Xaroth|Work: I know 19:07:35 <glx> and it's loaded at session opening 19:09:11 <Eddi|zuHause> that can probably be disabled 19:12:38 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:25:19 *** AquSe [~Ecoste@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fe69:33b2] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 19:29:21 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 19:29:31 <LordAro> wait, .net? fairly sure i haven't got that - unless they include it in their linux versions :L 19:30:32 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@87.114.21.53] has joined #openttd 19:31:58 <retro|cz> glx, you can disable that in msconfig 19:38:12 <Xaroth|Work> LordAro: on linux it's called Mono, most likely 19:42:36 <LordAro> i do have mono, but as far as i can tell, it's not required for the control-center 19:44:11 <NGC3982> Wat 19:44:26 <Xaroth|Work> not on linux, no 19:45:58 <LordAro> well what were you talking about then? :p 19:46:38 <Xaroth|Work> the windows client? 19:46:49 <Xaroth|Work> or at least, glx was :P 19:47:11 <LordAro> you replied to me though :p 19:48:39 <Eddi|zuHause> well, would have been more clear if you said fglrx driver :=) 19:49:03 <Xaroth|Work> LordAro: you mentioned not having .net 19:49:46 <LordAro> "...unless they include it in their linux versions :L" :p 19:54:31 <DanMacK> @seen andythenorth 19:54:31 <DorpsGek> DanMacK: andythenorth was last seen in #openttd 22 hours, 51 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <andythenorth> have fun with law :) 20:02:48 *** Pensacola [~quassel@178-85-11-66.dynamic.upc.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:10:16 *** Lord_Aro [~LordAro@host86-165-37-239.range86-165.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:10:39 *** LordAro is now known as Guest7102 20:10:39 *** Lord_Aro is now known as LordAro 20:16:31 *** Guest7102 [~LordAro@host86-158-153-94.range86-158.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:24:43 <AndreasB> Are transfers paid on transfer? 20:25:01 <AndreasB> If I have a line thats 50 tiles, transfer, then new line 50 tiles, deliver 20:25:06 <AndreasB> is that 100 line cargo? 20:25:10 <AndreasB> tile* 20:27:40 <frosch123> you only get real money for the final delivery 20:28:24 <frosch123> the intermediate yellow income does not affect your bank balance, it's just transfered from the train that picks up the cargo again to the one which brought it 20:28:50 <frosch123> see also https://secure.openttd.org/wiki/Feeder_service 20:30:41 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 20:33:06 <frosch123> night 20:33:10 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590fd9b5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 20:33:33 <Eddi|zuHause> no, you can't make money buy just shoving back and forth the same passengers 20:34:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:41:37 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41:46 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:45:27 <AndreasB> Eddi|zuHause: Ehh 20:45:29 <AndreasB> I didnt say that 20:45:41 <AndreasB> A to B, transfer. B to C, deliver 20:47:09 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, you get paid for A to C, the transfer credit is just so that the A to B vehicle won't have negative income all the time 20:58:30 <AndreasB> aha' 20:58:36 *** Japa_ [~Japa@112.79.36.218] has joined #openttd 20:59:15 <juzza1> 4x space or tab? 20:59:16 <Eddi|zuHause> if the B to C vehicle shows negative income, you should reduce the feeder share in the settings 20:59:42 <Eddi|zuHause> juzza1: i use tab, because my editor is weird with switching between languages 21:00:32 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 21:00:45 <Eddi|zuHause> also, i keep tab at 8 spaces, otherwise things get really weird with mixing 21:01:58 <juzza1> ok 21:04:02 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:05:05 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:56 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:16:04 <fjb> Moin. 21:21:59 <LordAro> /o 21:26:28 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387AEAF.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 21:28:00 <LordAro> if anyone's still awake, is there another way to implement a source.list type thing, but without using awk (configure:100) ? 21:29:36 <Rubidium> use any other programming language that's readibly available? 21:29:58 <LordAro> that can easily be used inside a bash script :p 21:32:59 <fjb> You don't have bash everywhere. It is ok if you can do it in plain sh. 21:33:12 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:20 <LordAro> bash/sh w/e 21:34:46 <Eddi|zuHause> abhsw/ehs? 21:35:07 <Eddi|zuHause> abw/e? 21:42:59 <Wolf01> 'night 21:43:04 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:57:26 *** Zuu [~Zuu@gateway.sdr.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:04:36 *** apiecux [~apiecux@ui89-892t.21z4-ee.ldti.srv.parano.me] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:06:17 *** cyph3r [~Miranda@ip-213-220-193-169.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Quit: Miranda IM! 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