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Log for #openttd on 19th September 2013:
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00:06:07  <Bad_Brett> wow... this time i've got some REALLY cool stuff going on
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00:12:46  <Bad_Brett> hey roboboy
00:19:20  <roboboy> hello
00:21:45  <Djohaal> is there any working game month extender that keeps industry production rates high?
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05:09:16  <DDR> Hey, anyone want limbo or bastion?
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07:07:01  <dihedral> good morning
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07:42:18  <DorpsGek> Commit by matthijs :: r25780 /trunk (19 files in 4 dirs) (2013-09-19 07:42:13 UTC)
07:42:19  <DorpsGek> -Change: [DOS] Put cwsdpmi and exe2coff files in subdirectories.
07:42:20  <DorpsGek>   - Since these are different components, distributed under a different
07:42:21  <DorpsGek>     license, mixing them in the same directory is confusing.
07:42:24  <DorpsGek> Commit by matthijs :: r25781 /trunk (5 files in 4 dirs) (2013-09-19 07:42:15 UTC)
07:42:25  <DorpsGek> -Doc: Add licensing section to readme.txt.
07:42:28  <DorpsGek> Commit by matthijs :: r25782 trunk/os/debian/copyright (2013-09-19 07:42:17 UTC)
07:42:29  <DorpsGek> -Doc: [Debian] Update copyright file.
07:42:32  <DorpsGek> Commit by matthijs :: r25783 trunk/media/openttd.desktop.in (2013-09-19 07:42:19 UTC)
07:42:33  <DorpsGek> -Add: Keywords to the openttd.desktop.in file
07:54:08  <planetmaker> moin dih :-)
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08:42:30  <dihedral> wow matthijs is alive? :-P
08:45:29  <peter1138> Wow, speedtest.net goes mad with Gnash...
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08:49:58  <matkum> AndreasB: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PTgkZmfWPo check this out
08:51:53  <peter1138> Grr, my LMB is autodoubleclicking :(
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09:05:12  <blathijs> dihedral: Occasionally, yes ;-)
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09:46:43  <LordAro> /o
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10:28:35  <peter1138> while (true);
10:28:41  <peter1138> I wonder where that code came from...
10:28:50  <LordAro> ouch
10:29:04  <peter1138> I guess it was a refactor gone wrong.
10:29:46  <Rubidium> tss... such bad code. for (;;); is much faster ;)
10:30:01  <V453000> ;;;;;;;;;;
10:31:12  <peter1138> Weirdly, it doesn't detect the code further on as unreachable.
10:32:24  <__ln__> it could be reachable once the large hadron collider has destroyed the world and made true false.
10:33:12  <LordAro> __ln__: relevant: http://xkcd.com/1266/
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10:34:34  <peter1138> If I use for (;;); it *does* complain about unreachable code.
10:35:18  <__ln__> Rubidium: actually, gcc -O3 generates exactly the same code for both for and while.
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11:25:29  <peter1138> And I found the answer. It's the tail end of a do { } while loop, but indented incorrectly...
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11:28:14  <Eddi|zuHause> that wouldn't have happened if they used a different reserved word like "until" for end-check loops
11:29:58  <LordAro>  so, why did it report unreachable code, instead of a compile error? :L
11:30:13  <__ln__> what would be the error?
11:30:17  <peter1138> http://www.corsair.com/us/900d-seb
11:31:11  <peter1138> I changed it to a while (true) { } loop, much easier to see at a glance
11:31:28  <LordAro> for(;;) master race
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12:26:15  <DanMacK> o/
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12:43:20  <DanMacK> @seen andythenorth
12:43:20  <DorpsGek> DanMacK: andythenorth was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 15 hours, 40 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <andythenorth> have fun with law :)
12:44:33  <V453000> dying
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12:50:16  <peter1138> Everyone is.
12:51:56  <V453000> .
12:52:15  <Eddi|zuHause> that's not proven
12:52:43  <Eddi|zuHause> if you count the number of people that ever lived against the number of people that ever died, you get something like 80%
12:53:06  <V453000> wat :D
12:53:06  <Eddi|zuHause> (if that number ever reaches 100%, mankind is extinct)
12:53:26  <V453000> woohooo I am not dying
12:53:27  <V453000> thanks Eddi
12:54:54  <blathijs> Eddi|zuHause: So statistics say that people have an 80% of dying eventually on average? :-)
12:55:07  <V453000> YES
12:55:08  <Eddi|zuHause> something like that :)
12:56:31  <Eddi|zuHause> don't ever believe a statistic you didn't fake yourself :p
12:57:20  <peter1138> Probably a silly question, but did a new version of DBSet ever get released?
12:57:29  <Eddi|zuHause> no
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12:57:44  <peter1138> Aww
12:57:50  <Eddi|zuHause> next possible release date is 13.13.13 :p
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12:58:38  <V453000> XD
12:59:00  <V453000> yay for active development
12:59:40  <Eddi|zuHause> well there was occasionally some movement, and probably it's "almost done", but 11.11.11 and 12.12.12 passed without a release
13:00:10  <V453000> even a year between releases isnt really development, imo
13:00:36  <Eddi|zuHause> the current release is 5.5.5
13:00:58  <V453000> yes, just that much worse :)
13:01:27  <Eddi|zuHause> if you don't count the ECS/FIRS addons
13:02:11  <V453000> tever :)
13:03:55  <peter1138> Fill my petrol tank today, first time since for ever.
13:03:57  <peter1138> £75 :(
13:04:07  <peter1138> *Filled
13:04:29  <V453000> same prices here more or less
13:06:58  <DanMacK> ouch
13:07:06  <DanMacK> how much a litre Peter?
13:07:19  <peter1138> £1.37
13:07:31  <V453000> hm expected like .8 :)
13:08:53  <DanMacK> Given exchange, that's about what we're paying
13:09:05  <DanMacK> .25ish per litre
13:09:19  <DanMacK> so about £0.75
13:09:37  <DanMacK> and we're bitching...  Wow  lol
13:09:38  <V453000> yeah thats more like here
13:09:50  <oskari89> Here we pay 1.70 euros for 1 litre of 98-octane
13:09:51  <DanMacK> Where are you V?
13:10:00  <V453000> czech beerpublic
13:10:03  <DanMacK> lol
13:10:09  <V453000> ~1 beer for a litre
13:10:12  <DanMacK> Canada here
13:10:13  <DanMacK> lmao
13:10:36  <oskari89> Talk about expensive gasoline :P
13:11:04  <oskari89> Diesel is not much less expensive, 1.40 euros/l or something like that
13:11:26  <peter1138> Diesel is more expensive in the UK.
13:12:01  <oskari89> But here we get extra "diesel-car-tax" for that price :P
13:12:07  <Xaroth|Work> here we pay 1.70 for euro 95 :|
13:12:13  <Xaroth|Work> and 1.90-ish for 98 :|
13:12:17  <oskari89> :(
13:12:30  <oskari89> E85 though is some 1.1 euros per litre
13:12:38  <peter1138> Ah, £1.37 is €1.63
13:12:41  <oskari89> (Ethanol 85%)
13:12:48  <peter1138> So not much less.
13:13:16  <Eddi|zuHause> last time i filled my tank was 1.60€ per liter (95, without E10)
13:13:52  <Eddi|zuHause> but it is highly fluctuating, about 10¢ during each week
13:13:58  <V453000> fun part is, german gasoline is a tiny bit more expensive than in beerland, but it is better quality so you can drive about equally the same distance for the same price
13:15:00  <Eddi|zuHause> E10 is 3¢ cheaper, but not all cars are compatible with it. and i have a rather old car
13:16:22  <__ln__> i bet Eddi's "rather old car" is "relatively new car" by finnish standards
13:18:32  <Eddi|zuHause> it's a 1993 ford escort
13:19:47  <Eddi|zuHause> some gas stations still sell 91 octane, but the price is the same as 95
13:19:47  <__ln__> m'kay, maybe not "relatively new", but not exceptionally old either.
13:20:01  <Eddi|zuHause> it's not "historic" :p
13:20:40  <peter1138> E10 is cheaper, but do you end up using more of it?
13:22:20  <Eddi|zuHause> no idea, never tried
13:22:56  <peter1138> Probably depends on the car also.
13:23:15  <Eddi|zuHause> and E10 is actually stupid, as long as crop is grown specifically to produce "bio" fuel, instead of using side products from food production
13:23:48  <oskari89> Or algae
13:24:10  <oskari89> Algae seems to be a next "crure-bio-oil" source
13:24:25  <oskari89> It has it's problems though
13:24:34  <__ln__> *its
13:29:35  <peter1138> Well damn, my mug of tea ran out.
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13:59:19  <Belugas> hello
13:59:50  <Belugas> poor peter1138 :(  should have cut the legs out ;)
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14:02:17  <Belugas> note that i'm not better.  We forgot to cut the legs of the coffee boxes, and we're left with nothing :(
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14:16:12  <peter1138> Well that's an absolute disaster. How are you meant to wake up?
14:17:52  <peter1138> Heh, that "multi-core" thread is still going...
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14:32:25  <Eddi|zuHause> i suppose it will be revived over and over in the next few years, because nothing will be done
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15:20:32  <Terkhen> hello
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16:16:49  <DanMacK> Hey all
16:17:06  <LordAro> /o
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16:48:10  <Alberth> evenink, ship mates!
16:50:48  <LordAro> ahoy!
16:52:29  <peter1138> c=<error reading variable: Unhandled dwarf expression opcode 0x0>
16:52:35  <peter1138> Unhandled dwarf?
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16:53:08  <Alberth> isn't that a file format for binaries?
16:53:08  <mikegrb> KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF MY DWARF!
16:53:37  <mikegrb> that's elf
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16:57:50  <Alberth> oh, it's adebugging data file format http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DWARF
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17:08:57  <Djohaal> why that sounds like someone is debugging dwarf fortress
17:22:45  <Japa> Djohaal, we need to play a coop game where everybody works in one company to try to interconnect every town
17:23:06  <Djohaal> Japa: i'm more concerned on finding a decent gamespeed pack atm
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17:35:22  <V453000> how is gamespeed ever a concern? :D
17:36:19  <Japa> V453000, in our multiplayer games, years have been going by too fast.
17:36:55  <V453000> but what is the actual problem
17:37:05  <V453000> I doubt the problem is a number of the year
17:38:31  <Japa> I'm not actually sure, tbh. I haven't really been playing on his server nearly as often as some people, but I didn't notice anything.
17:39:35  <V453000> well the only problem could be that you arent getting trains often enough / too often
17:39:40  <V453000> or for too short duration
17:40:00  <V453000> to which a good solution is generally using a better train set, and pausing the game when nobody is playing
17:40:19  <V453000> other than that 150 years take like 2 days of playing almost nonstop, which is a lot? :D
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17:41:26  <Wolf01> hi o/
17:41:37  <LordAro> /o hi
17:42:32  <Alberth> \o
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17:43:49  <Wolf01> quak frosch123
17:44:00  <frosch123> moin
17:45:20  <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25784 /trunk/src/lang (dutch.txt ukrainian.txt) (2013-09-19 17:45:15 UTC)
17:45:21  <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0:
17:45:22  <DorpsGek> dutch - 5 changes by habell
17:45:23  <DorpsGek> ukrainian - 43 changes by odisseus
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18:02:07  <Belugas> [10:16] <@peter1138> Well that's an absolute disaster. How are you meant to wake up?  <-- looks like i did not ;)
18:02:32  <Belugas> fortunately, i had my share of coffee at breakfast :)
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18:48:07  <DorpsGek> Commit by zuu :: r25785 /trunk/src (9 files in 5 dirs) (2013-09-19 18:48:05 UTC)
18:48:08  <DorpsGek> -Feature: [Script] Allow AIs and GS to found towns. Allow GS to rename towns
18:53:29  <Eddi|zuHause> a feature. how random.
19:00:41  <Zuu> Maybe it could have been an -Add instead. But well it is a feature for script authors and it caries a note about being related to Script.
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19:45:24  <Eddi|zuHause> since when do we have a warning about no vehicles present?
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19:50:42  <LordAro> recently, iirc
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20:19:22  <Eddi|zuHause> why is there no "useful" information in the newgrf debug window for vehicles?
20:21:07  <Rubidium> because there are no vehicles?
20:22:32  <Eddi|zuHause> it shows some random 40+ vars and "callbacks" (but not their results), while i want to view 80+ vars
20:22:52  <Eddi|zuHause> and it has no way to show info for vehicles further down the vehicle chain, only the front vehicle
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20:27:36  <Eddi|zuHause> and to bring that over the top: there's no way to follow the evaluation of a callback chain :)
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22:07:51  <Wolf01> 'night
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