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See: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Latin (a bit late, but I just came across it) 06:40:11 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.214.62.156] has joined #openttd 06:47:26 *** Japa__ [~Japa@112.79.37.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:53:20 <Supercheese> Also: this page is superlative for OTTD in Latin: http://eweb.furman.edu/~dmorgan/lexicon/silva.htm 06:53:43 <Supercheese> an entire section for train vocabulary 07:00:05 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:03:51 *** Mek_ is now known as Mek 07:06:30 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 07:09:59 *** Pecio [~fgh@afrn155.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 07:17:57 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 07:27:10 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 07:44:10 *** TheMask96 [martijn@89.104.166.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:47:29 *** TheMask96 [martijn@89.104.166.242] has joined #openttd 08:08:05 <dihedral> regarding r25788 (gs giving money and charging fees) is there a reason this should only be available to game script or may i hop on board and write a patch to incorporate that feature as console cmd or via admin port? 08:08:51 <dihedral> or should i just pipe it through a game script with json :-) 08:16:45 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.37.49] has joined #openttd 08:16:57 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.214.62.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:19:11 <planetmaker> dihedral, I do believe that game actions like changing money and playing god is a GS feature, not a game administration thing 08:19:19 <planetmaker> Though this point indeed can be argued 08:21:19 <planetmaker> I kinda fear a bit double-implementing access to all these things and then two scripts migh compete with eachother for the same ressource but different aim :-) 08:21:43 <V453000> :D 08:42:42 *** montalvo [~montalvo@papc-ma276.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 08:45:31 <dihedral> planetmaker, quite 08:46:59 <dihedral> though i still believe it is an awesome possibility for an admin as an alternative to kick :-P 08:47:04 <dihedral> penalty fee :-D 08:47:15 <planetmaker> lol 08:47:19 <dihedral> well then - pipe through gs it is :) 08:47:32 <planetmaker> interesting thought. Piping that trough GS... might be more difficult 08:47:41 <planetmaker> through json possible, though 08:47:46 <V453000> I dont think admins should be allowed to move around with money tbh :) 08:47:58 <dihedral> planetmaker, consider the possibility of 'banking' money from one game to another :-P 08:48:12 <planetmaker> V453000, I actually do believe that *you* would like it. E.g. to "fix" a coop game at startup or so 08:48:21 <planetmaker> no need to download, fix locally and re-upload 08:48:27 <dihedral> aye 08:48:46 <V453000> for such case, it would be cute, on the other side, it would result in "Player"s spamming "yo admin giev me money" 08:48:48 <dihedral> i do quite love the possibilities 08:49:02 <dihedral> V453000, there are easy ways around that 08:49:07 <planetmaker> V453000, I would grant that request. By giving -100000⬠08:49:14 <dihedral> :-D 08:49:23 <dihedral> beggers fee 08:49:24 <V453000> mhm :) 08:49:28 <planetmaker> ^ 08:49:49 <dihedral> i would also introduce the stupidity fee for questions like 'where is the wiki' :-D 08:49:49 <planetmaker> that quickly would make the round, I think :D 08:50:07 *** DDR [~chatzilla@154.20.134.39] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 08:50:11 <planetmaker> hm :-) 08:50:15 <dihedral> have 3 server access the same 'bank' and be able to transfer cache from one game to another 08:50:31 <planetmaker> not sure that'd be fair tbh 08:50:41 <dihedral> betting - now 'external' shares management 08:51:01 <V453000> lol 08:51:10 <planetmaker> it'll penalize the occasional players while giving even more advantage to the 24/7 players 08:51:48 <planetmaker> I'd rather install an income tax GS... like first 100k/yr free. Then increasingly steep tax on the excess revenue ;-) 08:51:55 <planetmaker> "communist tycoon" :-P 08:52:10 <dihedral> a new type of loan could also be introduced - paypale me 5EUR and you will get 1000000 in the game 08:52:11 <dihedral> :-D 08:52:19 <planetmaker> lol 08:52:26 <planetmaker> pay2win 08:52:43 <dihedral> hehe 08:52:44 <V453000> awesome 08:52:47 <dihedral> pay to play 08:52:53 <dihedral> no loan, no cache 08:52:57 <dihedral> unless :-P 08:53:53 <planetmaker> 'normal server' vs. 'premium server' ;-) 08:54:21 <dihedral> hehe 08:54:35 <dihedral> but the tax thing could be fun 08:54:45 *** Extrems1 [borgs@24.157.137.219] has joined #openttd 08:54:45 <Xaroth|Work> yo planetmaker giev me money 08:54:59 <planetmaker> @money remove xaroth -100000 08:55:00 <planetmaker> ;-) 08:55:03 <Xaroth|Work> (I was surprised noone did it yet :| ) 08:55:45 <dihedral> planetmaker, remove -100000 ?? 08:55:48 <dihedral> eh 08:55:59 <planetmaker> drat, someone caught the twist ;-) 08:56:00 * dihedral applauds 08:56:44 <dihedral> who can write the game script? 08:56:53 <dihedral> i will write the plugin for grapes 08:57:04 <dihedral> byt the way planetmaker - i am working on the command logging plugin for you 08:57:10 <planetmaker> :-) 08:57:27 *** Extrems [borgs@24.157.137.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:57:29 <planetmaker> I really should revise our game servers and setup both grapes and soap :-) 08:58:19 <V453000> wat does that do? 08:58:30 <dihedral> connect to the game 08:58:38 <planetmaker> V453000, replacement for autopilot 08:58:44 <planetmaker> basically. Including logging though 08:59:01 <V453000> rite 08:59:38 <dihedral> and independent from openttd 08:59:45 <dihedral> i.e. can run on a different host 09:00:15 <planetmaker> not sure I'd actually do that. But... it's at least and foremost quite more robust and versatile than ap+. At least in principle 09:00:37 <dihedral> not as easy to create plugins though ;-) 09:00:41 <dihedral> or commands 09:01:02 <planetmaker> not? 09:01:17 <dihedral> if you want to write java code, then it's fine 09:01:31 <dihedral> creating a file with the name of the command is not supported (yet) 09:03:00 <dihedral> stuff like !dl :-P 09:03:14 <V453000> !wtf 09:03:20 <Xaroth|Work> !zomg 09:03:27 <planetmaker> hm :-) Important things like !fish or !coop 09:03:36 <dihedral> where is peter1138 - he used to have something for people saying !commands in here 09:03:45 <planetmaker> no. it was glx 09:03:50 <dihedral> ah 09:03:53 <dihedral> that guy then 09:04:08 <NGC3982> DCC chat. 09:04:32 <V453000> !kickme 09:04:33 <V453000> :> 09:06:27 *** Japa_ [~Japa@112.79.36.217] has joined #openttd 09:06:35 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.37.49] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:15:54 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 09:20:02 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-87-14.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 09:23:29 <AndreasB> DCC CHAT <3 09:23:33 <AndreasB> Cant be monitored by server 09:23:44 <AndreasB> all PM can be logged by server 09:25:57 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:35:00 * Xaroth|Work hands AndreasB a tinfoil hat 09:51:36 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-148-242-150.range81-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:52:04 <LordAro> /o 09:57:01 *** Japa_ [~Japa@112.79.36.217] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:57:42 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:58:20 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.217] has joined #openttd 10:08:55 *** TheMask96 [martijn@89.104.166.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:14:03 *** TheMask96 [martijn@89.104.166.242] has joined #openttd 10:15:22 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@200.146.11.122.dynamic.dialup.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:33:33 <dihedral> AndreasB, and you are concerned because? 10:39:17 <Japa> Half-assed, zero-effort train sprite continues. http://i.imgur.com/mUTgYTp.jpg 10:40:04 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-78-45-93-251.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:51:56 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:52:37 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 10:54:19 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-78-45-93-251.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 10:55:03 <AndreasB> dihedral: Just because 10:55:09 <AndreasB> Normally use fish 10:55:54 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@85.186.160.35] has joined #openttd 11:00:33 <Xaroth|Work> Japa: looks like a lunchbox on wheels :D 11:01:44 <Japa> Hah 11:05:20 <dihedral> Xaroth, wheels on meals :-P 11:05:29 <Xaroth|Work> heh 11:15:08 <MNIM> now I demand a food-themed train set 11:15:20 <MNIM> :P 11:19:14 <juzza1> one with trains shaped like foods? 11:23:22 <MNIM> yes. 11:25:35 *** montalvo [~montalvo@papc-ma276.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 11:28:14 <juzza1> Potato express 11:28:15 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-148-242-150.range81-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:28:21 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-148-242-150.range81-148.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:28:22 *** TheMask96 [martijn@89.104.166.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:31:31 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.157.55] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32:01 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.157.55] has joined #openttd 11:32:12 <planetmaker> heya Supercheese 11:32:25 <planetmaker> care to make a patch for FS#5765 ? 11:33:05 *** TheMask96 [martijn@89.104.166.242] has joined #openttd 11:33:36 <planetmaker> or... what would you consider the better version... Mightymover or MightyMover? :) 11:49:22 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 11:51:53 *** V453000 is now known as AssThunder 11:56:20 <dihedral> @fs 5765 11:56:20 <DorpsGek> dihedral: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5765 11:57:00 <dihedral> yes i am lazy 11:57:40 <planetmaker> who ain't? 11:58:21 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 11:59:29 <alluke> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5759 aint this arrs issue 12:07:07 <dihedral> i want that gamescript 12:07:33 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 12:11:51 <planetmaker> yes, alluke 12:15:49 *** Jomann [~abchirk@g229105013.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 12:34:19 <AndreasB> I dont see the road 12:34:26 <AndreasB> Well, I do see the road on each side 12:34:35 <AndreasB> But theres no road in the middle?? 12:37:22 *** Haube [~michi@77-20-40-44-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 12:41:54 <AndreasB> planetmaker ? 13:03:35 *** Pecio [~fgh@afrn155.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #openttd [] 13:05:35 <planetmaker> as said: bug in NewGRF 13:06:15 <Taede> ello 13:06:23 <planetmaker> hello Taede 13:07:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 13:07:41 *** montalvo [~montalvo@papc-ma276.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 13:10:33 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 13:13:09 * Belugas yawns and try to find energy to wave hello 13:13:15 <Belugas> h 13:13:18 <Belugas> he.. 13:13:20 <planetmaker> llo 13:13:23 <Belugas> hell 13:13:23 <planetmaker> :-) 13:13:25 <Belugas> hello 13:13:26 <andythenorth> hi 13:13:27 <Belugas> pfffff 13:13:29 <andythenorth> energy saving 13:13:32 * Belugas goes to sleep 13:13:40 <andythenorth> busy day 13:13:54 <Belugas> and it's only starting :( 13:13:54 * andythenorth has taken a day off work and is making ponies 13:14:20 * Belugas would like a day off ans still making pennies 13:14:31 <Belugas> or maybe loonies, for those who know ;) 13:15:13 <AssThunder> the fuck andythenorth 13:15:15 <AssThunder> ponies? 13:15:16 <AssThunder> oh 13:15:22 *** AssThunder is now known as V453000 13:15:54 <andythenorth> my boss is ok, but sometimes I'd like a break from him 13:16:49 <V453000> how is your boss connected to making ponies 13:21:18 <andythenorth> hmm 13:21:31 <andythenorth> cargo support with different graphics 13:21:34 * andythenorth scratches head 13:22:27 <V453000> haha 13:22:37 <V453000> lazy to draw shittons of sprites? :P 13:23:50 <V453000> if you want to know what hell is, try to draw every known cargo in firs/ecs/pbi with 4 loading stages and 4+ randomize variations per each 13:23:54 <andythenorth> Dan is doing it already :) 13:24:00 <andythenorth> not that much :P 13:24:07 <andythenorth> I am figuring out code 13:24:07 <V453000> :P 13:24:18 <andythenorth> I am trying to find laziest way to code it 13:24:21 <V453000> more cargo sprites = better :) 13:25:49 <alluke> funny how db set carries wood products as coal 13:26:19 <V453000> not surprising :) 13:26:30 <alluke> yeah 13:26:42 <alluke> coal is kind of wood product too 13:26:44 <V453000> idk what coffee is with nuts atm 13:26:57 <V453000> andythenorth: what is the cargo class of coffee? 13:27:02 <alluke> java? 13:27:05 <V453000> y 13:27:13 <V453000> piece goods? 13:27:18 <alluke> good? 13:27:37 <V453000> hm I guess nuts has it in crates then 13:27:40 <V453000> could be worse :D 13:28:06 *** TheMask96 [martijn@89.104.166.242] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:29:01 <andythenorth> coffee travels in sacks or crates 13:29:03 <andythenorth> so piece 13:29:18 <V453000> k 13:29:27 <andythenorth> alluke: it's because wood products are chips used for power station fuel 13:29:31 <V453000> (I originally wanted to put it in hoppers) 13:29:56 <planetmaker> V453000, I think you should transport it in cups :-) 13:30:13 <V453000> hmf :) didnt draw maglev yet, anything can happen 13:30:21 <V453000> well ships too 13:30:45 <planetmaker> or in pots 13:30:57 <V453000> or inside rubberducks 13:31:02 <V453000> . 13:31:10 <planetmaker> empty = yellow. full = brown :-P 13:31:15 <V453000> :d 13:31:24 <V453000> no I would just cut them in half during loading 13:33:23 <alluke> nuts needs coffee cup wagons indeed 13:33:23 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 13:33:32 <alluke> just loco hauling giant steaming coffee cups 13:35:12 <V453000> .. 13:37:21 <alluke> wouldnt that be NUTS? 13:37:41 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 13:40:47 <V453000> draw it :) 13:41:11 <V453000> if it will be in sufficient quality I might add it 13:41:53 <alluke> dont care 13:42:02 <alluke> i have higher priority stuff to do 13:42:58 <V453000> see then it wouldnt be nuts enough :) 13:49:09 *** DanMacK [~d83bfef0@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 13:51:17 <AndreasB> [15:05:41] <@planetmaker> as said: bug in NewGRF 13:51:23 <AndreasB> I looked on the picture attached to the bug 13:53:34 <planetmaker> good. And? 13:53:36 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@85.186.160.35] has joined #openttd 13:54:12 <planetmaker> try without NewGRF. Try with that NewGRF. Check what sprites the NewGRF provides. And you'll have no other chance as to come to my conclusion 13:55:59 *** Hendrick [~Hendrick@212.93.100.47] has joined #openttd 13:57:54 <V453000> ^ 14:02:33 *** Dozer [Dozer@0x5e912f54.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:04:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:04:59 <andythenorth> hmm 14:05:17 <andythenorth> so I render python objects into an nml representation 14:05:29 <andythenorth> then nmlc rebuilds python objects from the nml 14:05:33 <andythenorth> then turns them into nfo 14:05:45 <andythenorth> if I was clever, I could cut out the middle step :P 14:05:51 * andythenorth is not very clever 14:10:32 * V453000 has no f clue 14:13:37 <andythenorth> hmm 14:13:43 * andythenorth wrote some tests 14:13:46 <andythenorth> they caught some errors 14:13:48 <andythenorth> how interesting 14:14:43 <planetmaker> makes your generator more understandable, andythenorth ;-) 14:15:15 <DanMacK> Hey andy 14:15:20 <andythenorth> lo DanMacK 14:15:23 <andythenorth> have a new electric loco 14:15:32 <andythenorth> 80mph, 1,800hp, 1919 14:15:32 <DanMacK> :D 14:15:39 <andythenorth> will be expensive 14:15:41 <andythenorth> needs a name 14:15:49 <DanMacK> was thinking more 60MPH, but 80 works 14:15:56 <DanMacK> Still like Raven 14:15:59 <andythenorth> ok 14:16:01 <andythenorth> done deal 14:16:17 <planetmaker> Black Raven ;-) 14:16:23 <andythenorth> I looked at the NER express thing on the page with the EB1 14:16:30 <andythenorth> I borrowed the stats etc 14:16:34 <andythenorth> seems to fit about right 14:16:48 <andythenorth> if you want superfast, or you're cheap, it's better to stick with steam 14:16:59 <DanMacK> ahhh 14:17:01 <andythenorth> but the electric is good for general purpose gameplay role 14:17:13 <DanMacK> Yeah, Bump up the TE, because it's all motor 14:22:51 <AndreasB> Is it possible to get 100% station rating with steam trains? 14:23:01 <andythenorth> use FIRS :P 14:23:11 <andythenorth> that is not the answer you were looking for :D 14:23:12 <andythenorth> sorry 14:25:02 <V453000> RAGE 14:25:02 <V453000> :> 14:29:12 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> V453000, I would grant that request. By giving -100000⬠<-- or the BOFH way: "you now have 200000⬠and no expenses" .p 14:29:35 <planetmaker> :-) 14:30:05 *** Hendrick [~Hendrick@212.93.100.47] has quit [Quit: Truly, the end of days.] 14:31:22 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:34:34 *** Dozer| [Dozer@0x5e912f54.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #openttd 14:34:34 *** Dozer [Dozer@0x5e912f54.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:34:35 *** Dozer| is now known as Dozer 14:36:16 *** lugo [lugo@000189e6.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:36:44 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:38:15 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:49:29 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 14:50:47 *** lugo [lugo@apple.bnc4free.com] has joined #openttd 14:53:07 *** V453000 is now known as AssThunder 14:53:21 *** AssThunder is now known as V453000 15:17:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B540.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:18:23 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 15:20:59 *** Lakie [~Lakie@cpc9-wals9-2-0-cust237.16-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:23:36 <DanMacK> Lakie, how's it going? 15:24:07 <Lakie> Not too badly, thinking about some tram bugs. 15:24:16 <Lakie> How's your life going? 15:24:23 <DanMacK> not too bad 15:24:47 <DanMacK> unemployed right now, so enjoying the free time 15:25:18 <alluke> now nothing can get between you and ottd 15:26:03 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:26:12 <Lakie> Oh, plenty can. :p 15:26:32 <DanMacK> WB Andy 15:31:37 <alluke> danmack, might you have the sprites of this laying out somewhere? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1004368/N%C3%A4ytt%C3%B6kuva%202013-09-23%20kohteessa%2017.12.32.png 15:32:58 <DanMacK> Ummm 15:33:39 <Lakie> Is it not on the Finnish FTP? 15:33:59 <alluke> dont know 15:34:33 <Lakie> Might be worth checking there, I know mot of the earlier GRF sprites should be there? 15:34:35 <alluke> i dont even know if i have the access to that 15:34:42 <alluke> whats the url 15:36:01 <DanMacK> I have it somewhere 15:36:33 <Lakie> http://users.tt-forums.net/finnish/ 15:36:47 <Lakie> I'm guessing maybe the Fo under Coaches? 15:37:07 <alluke> it aint there 15:37:11 <alluke> ive checked the site 15:37:37 <alluke> and most of those sprites are outdated 15:37:40 <Lakie> Hmm, is that from the teaser? 15:37:44 <alluke> yep 15:37:46 <DanMacK> I think so 15:37:50 <alluke> the steam beta 15:37:53 <oskari89> That is from Early Years Beta 15:37:53 <DanMacK> Do you have the grf? 15:37:59 <alluke> yes 15:38:03 <DanMacK> decode it 15:38:05 <alluke> how 15:38:07 <Lakie> decompile it? 15:38:20 <DanMacK> send it to me, I can do that :) 15:38:27 <alluke> thanks 15:38:28 <alluke> 1 sec 15:38:29 <Lakie> Hehe 15:38:33 <oskari89> Put on your dropbox 15:38:53 <alluke> no shit sherlock 15:38:54 <alluke> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1004368/Finnish_Early_years_beta.grf 15:39:30 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:43:09 <Terkhen> hello 15:43:49 *** abchirk_ [~abchirk@f052022069.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 15:45:31 <LordAro> /o Terkhen 15:46:28 <DanMacK> Sent via PM 15:48:37 <alluke> thanks 15:50:45 <alluke> hey theres green vr1 too 15:50:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 15:51:01 *** Jomann [~abchirk@g229105013.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:51:12 <alluke> oskari89, why aint it in the current set? 15:52:02 <DanMacK> cuz i havent redrawn uit 15:52:54 <alluke> it looks fine to me 15:53:19 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@87.114.21.53] has joined #openttd 15:55:38 <DanMacK> Needs a bit of work 16:00:03 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:00:30 <Wolf01> hello 16:07:08 *** DanMacK [~d83bfef0@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:11:06 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:13:14 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B540.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:16:33 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:16:38 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:28:10 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:34:28 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35:19 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 16:39:10 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 16:43:17 *** Mucht [~Martin@000128e2.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:45:15 *** DanMacK [~63ffa3b9@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 16:47:09 *** Lakie [~Lakie@cpc9-wals9-2-0-cust237.16-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Quit: .] 16:52:35 *** DanMacK [~63ffa3b9@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:15:01 *** montalvo [~montalvo@papc-ma276.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 17:30:21 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 17:33:45 <andythenorth> meh 17:33:55 <andythenorth> keeping the same information in two data structures 17:33:59 <andythenorth> never goes well :P 17:34:22 <V453000> :) 17:37:31 <Eddi|zuHause> that's why i have exactly one data structure containing all the data, and generate the rest 17:40:36 <andythenorth> I foolishly put some data into the nml templates, because it's easy to read there 17:40:49 <andythenorth> but then I have to maintain the nml and the source data :P 17:40:53 <andythenorth> silly AndreasB 17:40:56 <andythenorth> ? 17:40:57 <andythenorth> oops 17:41:00 <andythenorth> silly andythenorth 17:41:03 <andythenorth> doubly so :P 17:41:14 <andythenorth> I am not used to someone else tab completing on 'and' 17:45:23 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25797 /trunk/src/lang (afrikaans.txt icelandic.txt) (2013-09-25 17:45:15 UTC) 17:45:24 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:25 <DorpsGek> afrikaans - 4 changes by ewaldhorn 17:45:26 <DorpsGek> icelandic - 3 changes by Stimrol 17:49:57 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7664.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:54:13 <andythenorth> dict.items() ftw 17:54:49 <Xaroth|Work> what are you trying to hack this time :P 17:55:20 <andythenorth> trainset 17:55:30 <andythenorth> "every home should have one" 18:03:05 <V453000> . 18:04:42 <Supercheese> planetmaker: Sorry, was sleeping. I don't really have a preference one way or the other, but they should be made consistent 18:05:01 <frosch123> i like camelcase :) 18:14:07 <andythenorth> where did DanMacK go :P 18:14:11 * andythenorth has questions 18:14:57 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A2FD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:14:59 <andythenorth> are we +1 or -1 to wagon running costs? 18:15:41 <V453000> cost doesnt matter really 18:16:00 <V453000> but it does make sense 18:16:11 <V453000> after all, wagons are what make money, not engines 18:16:19 <AndreasB> -1 18:16:24 <frosch123> free engines, expensive wagons :p 18:16:30 <AndreasB> trains are costly enough 18:16:46 <V453000> I actually did intend to do something like that originally frosch123 :) 18:16:56 <frosch123> how is something costly if it makes 20x income compared to running cost? 18:17:19 <frosch123> even tracks are kind of cheaper than roads 18:17:42 <frosch123> because you can remove them with income 18:21:52 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 18:21:55 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:24:57 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:45:45 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:45:48 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 19:09:01 <alluke> +1 19:10:32 <Pinkbeast> I like wagon running costs 19:10:57 <andythenorth> mine are currently / year :P 19:15:14 <Eddi|zuHause> my wagons have running costs, but to this day there was 0 effort to balance them 19:15:30 <matkum> how to actually balance running costs? 19:15:42 <matkum> replacing them by a new model? 19:15:42 <Alberth> don't bother :) 19:15:45 <Eddi|zuHause> the "express" trains are supposed to have higher running costs 19:17:20 <planetmaker> frosch123, so you prefer MightyMover over Mightymover? 19:17:51 <Alberth> looks better as vehicle type name, imho 19:17:56 <frosch123> MightMover 19:17:56 <planetmaker> so be it 19:17:59 <frosch123> MightyMover 19:20:20 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r25798 /trunk/src/lang (51 files in 2 dirs) (2013-09-25 19:20:15 UTC) 19:20:21 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5765]: Consistent spelling of MightyMover vehicles 19:20:26 <planetmaker> ^ there 19:21:30 <Supercheese> :D 19:22:09 <frosch123> sed training for pm :) 19:22:24 <planetmaker> :-) 19:22:55 <planetmaker> I had quite a bit more sed-training with the not yet finished attempt to get japanese trainset use NML lang files :D 19:23:29 <frosch123> you are doing japanese stuff now? :o 19:23:34 <planetmaker> cat nfo/strings_de.pnfo \ 19:23:34 <planetmaker> | sed 's/[\t ]*\"//' \ 19:23:34 <planetmaker> | sed ':a;N;$!ba;/\n\"/s/\n\" *\n//g' \ 19:23:34 <planetmaker> | sed 's/\" 00 *$//g' \ 19:23:34 <planetmaker> | sed ':a;N;$!ba;/\/\/\([0-9A-F]\{2\}\)/s/\/\/\([0-9A-F]\{2\}\)[\t ]*\n/STR_OPENTTD_D1 :/g' \ 19:23:34 <planetmaker> | sed 's/[\t ]*00[\t ]*$//' \ 19:23:36 <planetmaker> | sed ':a;N;$!ba;/\/\/\([0-9A-F]\{2\}\)/s/\/\/\([0-9A-F]\{2\}\):.*\n/STR_D1 :/g' \ 19:23:38 <planetmaker> > de.txt 19:23:42 <frosch123> what percetange of newgrf are you involved? :p 19:23:51 <frosch123> 90% ? 19:23:53 <planetmaker> I don't want to know :-) 19:24:06 <frosch123> likely as much as zuu with scripts :) 19:24:15 <planetmaker> :D 19:24:41 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-78-45-93-251.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:25:16 <planetmaker> I just thought that it'll be cool to give that NewGRF translations... 19:25:23 <frosch123> btw. you can also use -f option to read a script from file :p 19:25:25 <planetmaker> more complicated for that than it initially looked 19:25:31 <planetmaker> yes, I know 19:25:48 <planetmaker> but it really need be separated here... with -f the result was - for some reason - different 19:26:06 <planetmaker> probably it's a matter of how it's sequenced 19:26:42 <frosch123> yeah, you seem to do stuff with \n :) 19:26:46 <planetmaker> yup 19:27:02 <planetmaker> I need to concatenate lines. And split lines 19:27:08 <planetmaker> Depending on how they're shaped :D 19:30:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B540.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:34:04 <Alberth> wouldn't python be easier? 19:34:23 <Alberth> at least it wouldn't look so much like random punctation :) 19:36:46 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-78-45-93-251.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 19:36:48 <frosch123> you mean it would look boring? :p 19:37:03 <planetmaker> Alberth, yes it might be. 19:37:04 <Alberth> :) 19:37:20 <planetmaker> but ^ would not look that dreadful :-P 19:37:44 <Alberth> I once write a converter of assembly code in sed, which was about a page A4 like that :) 19:37:55 <planetmaker> haha :-) 19:38:03 <Alberth> but I had much less words :p 19:38:08 <planetmaker> and it was like usual. It started with one line. And then another etc... 19:38:24 <planetmaker> and I ended up with that. It works fine. And then I discovered there's strings in two other files 19:38:49 <planetmaker> which need yet another way to be converted :D 19:39:16 <Alberth> and so it explodes in size :) 19:39:27 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 19:39:29 <planetmaker> so the initial idea of having a quick way to add translations collapsed, yes 19:39:37 <frosch123> i think sed is one of the closest things to raw turing machines 19:39:52 <planetmaker> :-) 19:42:19 <planetmaker> raw sed is as understandable as raw nfo, though ;-) 19:43:12 <Supercheese> O_o 19:44:22 <Eddi|zuHause> you should try commented sed than :p 19:44:27 <Eddi|zuHause> *then 19:45:04 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: sed is not turing-complete, however... 19:45:38 <frosch123> sure it is 19:46:24 <Eddi|zuHause> you need an iterated sed for that :) 19:46:40 <frosch123> sed has labels, jumps, even conditional jumps 19:46:52 <frosch123> step up your sed knowledge :) 19:47:36 <frosch123> if-loops are perfectly fine in sed 19:50:43 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, just look at what I pasted. It has labels, and conditional jumps ;-) 20:21:55 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 20:23:59 *** DanMacK [~63ffa3b9@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 20:32:24 <LordAro> Poll: gcc/clang/special-compiler version? 20:33:56 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:34:51 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B540.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38:24 <Rubidium> 14? 20:39:31 <LordAro> 14? :L 20:39:55 <Rubidium> how the hell can I give a version for a random compiler? 20:40:22 <Rubidium> anyhow... clang is... uhm... not nice: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=709212 20:42:04 <LordAro> ouch :( 20:42:31 <LordAro> maybe you should raise the issue upstream? 20:43:03 <LordAro> oh, and by typing "gcc -v" and similar 20:43:31 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:44:11 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:44:50 <LordAro> oh, and btw, clang 3.3 runs that program fine :) 20:45:26 <Rubidium> Debian clang version 3.3-9 (branches/release_33) (based on LLVM 3.3) 20:46:43 <LordAro> "clang version 3.3 (tags/RELEASE_33/final)" 20:46:46 <LordAro> arch linux 20:47:13 *** DanMacK [~63ffa3b9@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:47:25 <Rubidium> therefore... I report the bug to Debian. If I do it to upstream, they'll just complain I didn't use the vanilla clang 20:47:30 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.98.115.89] has quit [Quit: *AdiIRC*] 20:47:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 20:48:06 <LordAro> fair enough :L 20:48:25 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:49:08 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 20:49:19 <Rubidium> and I doubt tcc or pcc can compile openttd ;) 20:52:04 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:52:24 <LordAro> unlikely :) 20:59:26 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:15:39 *** Dozer [Dozer@0x5e912f54.adsl.cybercity.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:16:51 <Wolf01> 'night 21:16:59 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:18:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6CF74.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:18:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6A5B5.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:20:26 <frosch123> night 21:20:30 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7664.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:45:06 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A2FD.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 21:54:31 <planetmaker> g'night 22:29:24 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:37:07 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 22:41:40 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:13:53 <Eddi|zuHause> hm... seems like half the internet just disappeared... 23:18:44 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.98.115.89] has joined #openttd 23:49:17 *** LordAro [~LordAro@host81-148-242-150.range81-148.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:55:43 *** DDR [~chatzilla@154.20.134.39] has joined #openttd