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00:53:40 <Eddi|zuHause> hm. daylength idea: instead of offering a factor, substitute "month" with "week" or "day" 00:55:49 <Eddi|zuHause> so the setting would be "1 minute ~ 1 month", "1 minute ~ 1 week", "1 minute ~ 1 day", which would roughly be a daylength factor of 4.5 and 30 00:56:14 <Eddi|zuHause> then things like "industry production last month" would say "last week" or "yesterday" 00:57:02 <Supercheese> would that be easier to implement? 00:57:21 <Eddi|zuHause> and instead of yearly statistics you get quarterly statistics or biweekly statistics 00:57:35 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe not "easier" but "cleaner" 00:57:50 <Eddi|zuHause> more strictly designed 00:58:01 <glx> and less places to touch 01:00:04 <Eddi|zuHause> like instead of changing the daylength, you take 74 ticks as some sort of base unit, but instead of changing over the day, you flip between "1st may - morning", "1st may - midday", "1st may - evening" etc. 01:01:01 <Eddi|zuHause> this may or may not cause other things to more cleanly fit in 01:08:13 *** fjb is now known as Guest712 01:08:14 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 01:15:16 *** Guest712 [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:28:40 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 01:32:11 *** Haube [~michi@77-20-40-44-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:03:27 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:09:50 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:14:34 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 02:30:21 *** Japa__ [~Japa@112.79.36.182] has joined #openttd 02:36:57 *** Japa_ [~Japa@112.79.36.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:46:23 *** bastu [~oftc-webi@h-104-138.a251.priv.bahnhof.se] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:52:56 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:04:42 *** Japa__ [~Japa@112.79.36.182] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:04:56 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.182] has joined #openttd 03:19:56 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.17.21.171] has quit [Quit: Thumbs UP to AdiIRC ð [www.adiirc.com]] 03:42:34 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 03:48:28 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:56:28 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 04:06:47 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:21:08 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 04:27:02 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.182] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:51:41 <Supercheese> Oh sweet, in translating OTTD strings I've discovered a new 'hidden feature' 04:51:49 <Supercheese> I should really read the tooltips >_> 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC6686C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:15 *** xT2 [~ST2@2.81.249.136] has joined #openttd 04:56:17 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC67CA8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 04:58:37 <Supercheese> I love how there's a Latin article on Whyte Notation: https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notatio_Whyte 04:59:06 *** ST2 [~ST2@2.81.252.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:59:06 *** xT2 is now known as ST2 05:03:01 <Supercheese> Admittedly it is mostly a copy from English wikipedia 05:03:04 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@87.114.21.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:14:08 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:14:34 *** cypher_ [~cypher@ip-213-220-193-169.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 05:17:16 *** cypher_ [~cypher@ip-213-220-193-169.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [] 05:17:34 *** cypher_ [~cypher@ip-213-220-193-169.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 05:21:38 *** Pecio [~fgh@drf6.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 05:23:20 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 05:25:22 <cypher_> Hi. Is anybody here? 05:31:19 <scshunt> no 05:31:24 <scshunt> go away, whippersnapper 05:31:26 <scshunt> ;) 05:32:04 <Supercheese> @seen anybody 05:32:04 <DorpsGek> Supercheese: anybody was last seen in #openttd 2 years, 18 weeks, 5 days, 17 hours, 35 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <anybody> hello 05:32:20 <Supercheese> No, anybody is not here :) 05:38:20 <cypher_> This is serious, I need help. 05:38:30 <cypher_> I've never been awake at this hour. 05:38:32 <cypher_> What do I do? 05:39:00 <Supercheese> Are you asking for a cure for insomnia? 05:39:15 <cypher_> Not really. 05:39:57 <Supercheese> What are you asking for? 05:40:06 *** roadt__ [~roadt@60.168.94.231] has joined #openttd 05:40:10 <cypher_> I don't know what people are supposed to do at this hour. 05:40:29 <Supercheese> It's 10:42 PM here, I take it you're in another timezone 05:40:56 <cypher_> It is 7:40 AM here. 05:43:42 <Supercheese> Sounds like coffee time 05:44:01 <Supercheese> s'what I'll be doing come 8 AM tomorrow 05:45:19 <cypher_> That is alright. There's a huge difference between 8AM in the morning and 8AM in the evening... 05:46:56 *** roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.81.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:47:36 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 05:47:58 <planetmaker> moin 05:54:25 <Supercheese> Sort by: Available waiting cargo --> Separare: Oneribus manentibus parabilibus 05:54:31 <Supercheese> that phrase makes me giggle 05:54:39 <Supercheese> so many "ibus" 05:55:09 <Supercheese> although I wonder if it should be singular rather than plural 05:57:53 <planetmaker> :-) well, possibly yes 05:58:08 <Supercheese> I honestly don't know the difference in what the filter actually does 05:58:20 <Supercheese> Total waiting cargo vs available cargo...? 05:58:49 <planetmaker> there's a difference? Hm 05:58:58 <Supercheese> Station sort by: stuff 05:59:03 <Supercheese> no clue really :S 05:59:44 <Supercheese> maybe a cargodist-specific thing? 05:59:52 * Supercheese never uses cargodist 06:00:12 <planetmaker> hm, yes, that might indeed: total = everything. And available: cargo which might board your train 06:00:34 <planetmaker> but... it wouldn't know what would board your train 06:00:40 <Supercheese> "cargo" is tricky, it often behaves like a noncount noun 06:00:49 <Supercheese> but then sometimes gets pluralized 06:01:41 <planetmaker> indeed it does. And I can't even give you the rule(s) about that 06:02:35 <Supercheese> Since we're talking about totals of stuff, I've gone with "Total cargo" -> "Summa onerum" 06:03:31 <Supercheese> I should probably test how this looks in-game... hm 06:03:39 <Supercheese> maybe temporary override of some other lang file 06:04:51 <planetmaker> is it really 'summa' and not 'totus'? 06:05:29 <Supercheese> could be either 06:05:32 <Supercheese> I prefer "sum" 06:05:43 <Supercheese> it's open for debate :) 06:06:02 <planetmaker> looks a bit strange to me. Summa has a tendency to judge in my ears 06:06:07 <planetmaker> judge in a positive way 06:06:23 <Supercheese> well, it's the same word as when discussing mountaintops and the like 06:06:28 <planetmaker> Omnia onerius 06:06:31 <planetmaker> *oneris 06:06:49 <planetmaker> sounds even better :D 06:07:05 <planetmaker> Omnia Gallia est divisa ... :-) 06:07:50 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 06:09:20 <planetmaker> hm. Omnium? 06:09:22 <Supercheese> Yeah, although we're in ablative, accompanying the sorting 06:09:50 <Supercheese> Sort by name --> Separare nomine 06:10:15 <Supercheese> and feel free to suggest a better verb for "sort" 06:10:33 <Supercheese> I considered "collegere" 06:10:34 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:10:46 <Supercheese> but that's more like "gather together" 06:20:23 <planetmaker> hm, maybe, but not sure :-) 06:20:29 <planetmaker> I'm no native speaker :-P 06:24:26 *** cypher_ [~cypher@ip-213-220-193-169.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:35:18 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@pa49-184-104-198.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:40:41 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 06:42:12 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:54:01 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:55:25 *** cypher_ [~cypher@ip-213-220-193-169.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 06:55:34 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 06:58:15 *** DDR [~chatzilla@S01060019dbe06285.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:59:37 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@pa49-184-104-198.pa.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:02:54 *** DDR [~chatzilla@S01060019dbe06285.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 07:06:38 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1BE54.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:13:17 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:13:40 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:15:15 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6AECD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:21:01 <Supercheese> Valete 07:21:03 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.157.55] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0.1/20130814063812]] 07:33:05 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@zeroshell2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 07:54:41 *** Dr_Tan [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 07:58:42 *** Nat_aS [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:24:14 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 08:44:24 *** LordAro [~LordAro@sns61-192.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 08:54:26 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@85.186.160.35] has joined #openttd 08:59:47 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:15:56 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:21:37 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 09:23:20 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:23:23 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 09:29:02 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-38-75.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:30:15 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6AECD.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 09:33:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6AECD.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:01:09 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 10:10:58 *** montalvo [~montalvo@papc-ma276.st-andrews.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 10:29:08 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 10:29:13 <zooks> morning 10:39:41 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:40:11 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.156] has joined #openttd 11:22:41 *** cypher_ [~cypher@ip-213-220-193-169.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:24:55 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.99.169] has joined #openttd 11:32:21 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.156] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:41:26 *** Flygon__ is now known as Flygon 11:45:50 <dihedral> greetings 11:46:06 <dihedral> @seen suu 11:46:06 <DorpsGek> dihedral: I have not seen suu. 11:46:07 <dihedral> eh 11:46:10 <dihedral> @seen zuu 11:46:10 <DorpsGek> dihedral: zuu was last seen in #openttd 1 week, 0 days, 21 hours, 7 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <Zuu> Alberth: It could just be a tar with the scenario + specialized GS from a technical point of view. But in practice it will make it easier to upload and with an own category to find. 11:46:11 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.201.99.169] has joined #openttd 11:46:54 <Xaroth|Work> heh 11:48:24 <Eddi|zuHause> <planetmaker> Omnia Gallia est divisa ... :-) <-- i have a feeling asterix isn't as popular amongst americans :p 11:48:38 <dihedral> Eddi|zuHause, :_P 11:48:48 <dihedral> oh - i have a feeling that guys nose is displaced 11:49:13 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, it's not that I learnt that with asterix. I actually read the Bellum Gallicum in the latin original 11:49:40 <planetmaker> not that I always enjoyed it :-P 11:50:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know latin at all :) 11:50:12 <planetmaker> and I do actually would believe that supercheese read it, too 11:50:52 <Eddi|zuHause> and i rather doubt you'd learn a lot of latin from asterix :p 11:52:13 <planetmaker> but well, who knows. Maybe it was rather Ovid... Ars Amatoria 11:52:22 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, sufficient for some posing :-P 11:52:52 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.99.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:53:08 <planetmaker> dihedral, it's not about 'displaced noses'. But about a Latin translation of OpenTTD ;-) 11:53:21 <planetmaker> And if supercheese wants to make it, I'm all in favour of it 11:54:05 <Flygon> The Gauls spoke Latin? 11:54:18 <planetmaker> and it was just some input on how to translate "total (cargo amount)" 11:54:23 <Flygon> I forgot what language the Gauls spoke 11:54:32 <planetmaker> Flygon, some, yes. But that quote is from Julius Caesar: Bellum Gallicum 11:54:47 <Flygon> I meant irl 11:54:59 <planetmaker> yes... Celtic before Caesar invaded 11:55:04 <Flygon> Alright, thanks 11:56:42 <V453000> openttd in latin? lol 11:57:10 <V453000> does latin even have a word for train 11:57:57 <Flygon> Probably 11:58:27 <Flygon> Train basically means "Multiple objects coupled together" 11:58:34 <Flygon> "in a linear length" 11:58:49 <V453000> zug 11:58:52 <Flygon> Given how many different contexts the word 'train' is affixed to in English.. 12:00:47 <planetmaker> there seems to be a word. I don't recall. But supercheese knows :-) 12:18:18 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 12:26:07 <Eddi|zuHause> latin has a similar problem like hebrew, how do you make up for several milennia of missing loanwords and language development? 12:27:18 <Eddi|zuHause> (hebrew was 'revived' as the language for modern israel) 12:28:13 <Eddi|zuHause> after the jews couldn't decide wether to use russian (eugh, coommunists!) or jiddish (eugh! german!!) as language 12:30:31 <__ln__> the global reviving of latin is going to happen through openttd. 12:30:44 <Flygon> Should have chosen Australian 12:30:55 <Flygon> We bastardized practically every other language on Earth anyway 12:31:32 <Flygon> Australian translation of OTTD will call trains "Chugga Chugs", named after our national heratage of chugging beer 12:33:06 <planetmaker> Flygon, the Australian translation of OpenTTD *does* exist... 12:33:13 <Flygon> It does? 12:33:25 <Flygon> Which state derivative? :P 12:33:27 <planetmaker> https://secure.openttd.org/translator/en/status 12:34:16 <Flygon> I'm a bit surprised British En- oh right 12:34:31 <Flygon> I admit I'm actually a tad surprised someone translated it into Australian... 12:34:40 <Flygon> It's practically the exact same thing as British 12:34:53 <planetmaker> well, a US translation also exists 12:35:07 <Flygon> Yeah, but the US don't understand what the letter u means 12:35:14 <Flygon> Going by how much they chop it out of words :p 12:35:20 <planetmaker> :-P 12:36:19 <Flygon> Do you mind if I ask a really silly question? 12:36:20 <Eddi|zuHause> we had that discussion yesterday :p 12:36:43 <Flygon> The silly question, or the US not understanding what the word "Colour" is? 12:36:44 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:37:08 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, they do exactly know that the latin "color" does not have an u 12:37:39 <Flygon> Screw Latin, I'm Australian. Stop the Boats! Or... something :U 12:39:17 <planetmaker> hehe, you might have been using the Australian translation then without knowing it (unless your system is not set to Australian locale or you modified OpenTTD defaults) :D 12:39:51 <Flygon> I'd find out, but I can't be stuffed booting my desktop :P 12:41:33 <Flygon> Still needs a English (Vic - Bogan) translation though 12:56:20 <Xaroth|Work> does OpenTTD have a pirate translation yet? :o 12:58:21 <__ln__> Xaroth|Work: yeah, the english original is pirated from TTD. 13:02:44 <planetmaker> copyright violation on the words "train", "ship" and "plane"! 13:03:57 *** Pecio [~fgh@drf6.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #openttd [] 13:04:49 <roboboy> Can anyone point me to a GRF that uses the CB23 extra text feature? 13:05:29 <Eddi|zuHause> plenty of grfs do that 13:06:33 <roboboy> UKRS1 doesn't seem to and the ones I am interested in using are probably too old for the feature. Also the GRF needs to work in TTDP 13:07:18 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i certainly can't help with the latter... 13:07:39 <Eddi|zuHause> but i do think NARS did this 13:08:08 <Eddi|zuHause> stuff that says "used for passenger trains" etc. 13:08:12 * roboboy goes to get NARS 13:08:22 <roboboy> HM US Set might do it then 13:08:28 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 13:09:45 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe Snail's french narrow gauge test set, but i have no idea whether that works in TTDP 13:10:37 <Eddi|zuHause> but CETS certainly won't work :p 13:12:09 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@85.186.160.35] has joined #openttd 13:12:40 <Taede> ello 13:13:07 <planetmaker> hullo 13:14:35 <roboboy> hmm, maybe I should chase OzTrans to build me a single train GRF that has a realong string for extra text as he asked for TTDP's window to be extended by a few lines 13:15:05 <roboboy> or I could download CanRail or whatever it's called 13:27:24 *** ST2 [~ST2@2.81.249.136] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:27:35 *** ST2 [~ST2@bl20-249-136.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 13:27:42 <Eddi|zuHause> roboboy: maybe you can try one of these: https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/4058/EP5.tar.gz https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/4061/S10_1.tar.gz 13:27:55 <Eddi|zuHause> compile with "grfcodec -e -c -p1 -g2 EP5.grf ." 13:28:22 <roboboy> I think I will try CanRail first 13:28:28 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe you need to remove some vehicle IDs though, as it might use "high IDs" not possible with TTDP 13:28:44 <roboboy> Will take note of those links as well 13:29:24 <Eddi|zuHause> i have no idea whether it works, or how much/little is needed to make it work. these were taken out of CETS 13:29:32 <roboboy> ok 13:29:55 <Eddi|zuHause> they contain only one single engine 13:37:00 <Eddi|zuHause> roboboy: what would probably be useful in there as a test case is that the string contains lots of newlines 13:37:24 <roboboy> probably 13:37:58 <roboboy> well I don't realy want to keep working on it now as it's 11:35 PM 13:38:14 <roboboy> will look into it more tomorrow 13:39:47 <planetmaker> if you use NML 0.2.x you could as well take one of the regression test 'newgrfs' which ship with NML 13:39:48 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.127.74] has joined #openttd 13:40:20 <planetmaker> as that builds grf v7 NewGRFs they're supposed to work with TTDPatch, but well... nobody really knows :-) 13:40:27 <Belugas> hello 13:40:32 <planetmaker> hi Belugas 13:40:39 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, grfv8, i really forgot about that 13:40:44 <Belugas> hello planetmaker :) 13:40:51 <Eddi|zuHause> is there a grfcodec switch about that? 13:40:55 <planetmaker> no 13:41:27 <planetmaker> grf version is not container version (the latter could be changed be re-encoding) 13:41:34 <planetmaker> But language translations don't happen 13:42:11 <Eddi|zuHause> then you're probably hopeless with my excerpts above :) 13:42:24 <Eddi|zuHause> just implement grfv8 in ttdp :) 13:45:20 *** DanMacK [~63ffa3b9@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 13:45:30 <DanMacK> Hey all 13:48:09 <DanMacK> @seen andythenorth 13:48:09 <DorpsGek> DanMacK: andythenorth was last seen in #openttd 16 hours, 2 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: <andythenorth> bye 13:48:11 <AndreasB> I have a question :D 13:48:20 <planetmaker> @topic get -1 13:48:20 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: #openttd.notice for commit notices 13:48:25 <planetmaker> hm 13:48:30 <AndreasB> How do... hm 13:48:48 <planetmaker> @topic get 3 13:48:48 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: Don't ask to ask, just ask 13:49:22 <AndreasB> If you consider map as a square, with NE being point A, SE B etc. If you move oil from A to B, then to D 13:49:42 <AndreasB> Will it consider the oil to be moved from A to D, or A via B to D 13:49:49 <AndreasB> (Distancewise) 13:49:49 <planetmaker> manhatten distance between A and D are relevant for payment 13:50:06 <AndreasB> even if you transfer via another station? 13:50:08 <planetmaker> it's no gain, only loss, to ship it around the world 13:50:12 <AndreasB> aha 13:50:22 <AndreasB> So basicly A to C, and B to D is most money 13:51:12 <AndreasB> The manhattan distance, is that from the first station? 13:51:23 <AndreasB> The one next to the primary industry 13:51:42 <planetmaker> first pickup to final delivery. That distance 13:51:53 <planetmaker> between station signs 13:51:59 <planetmaker> check wiki: game mechanics 13:52:02 <AndreasB> :D 13:52:29 <AndreasB> Ok, so moving cargo south to an hub station is idiotic 13:52:38 <AndreasB> since its extra distance you dont get paid for 13:53:39 <planetmaker> yes. It's similarily idotic as to eat NZ butter here in Germany 13:53:44 <AndreasB> ^ 13:53:48 <planetmaker> It's done. And there are reasons which make it viable 13:55:02 <AndreasB> What I mean is, there is no reason to create the hub station as far south as you can get it 13:55:29 <AndreasB> Moving cargo south, then to bring it north.. better if you bring it a little bit north to the hub station 13:57:52 <DanMacK> A central hub is more efficient 13:58:02 <AndreasB> What do you mean 13:58:09 <AndreasB> Smack in the middle? 13:58:18 <DanMacK> using your example, yes 13:58:22 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.99.169] has joined #openttd 13:58:36 <AndreasB> Why not let the trains run the entire length themselves 13:58:43 <DanMacK> depends on the industry length 13:58:43 <AndreasB> makes as much sense as central hub? 13:59:03 <DanMacK> just doing point A-D if it's a single cargo, yeah 13:59:12 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 13:59:27 <AndreasB> Just create 8 rails from A to D 13:59:28 <DanMacK> if you have multiple producing industries, then a central hub makes more sense 13:59:29 <AndreasB> err 13:59:31 <AndreasB> A->C 14:00:08 <DanMacK> depends on your gameplay style I guess 14:00:12 <AndreasB> i guess 14:00:29 <Eddi|zuHause> if you want to build a feeder system, the hub should be rather close but equidistant to the producing industries 14:00:44 <AndreasB> hm 14:00:56 <Eddi|zuHause> then you have short runs between producer and hub, and long runs between hub and delivery 14:01:19 <Eddi|zuHause> the long runs are more efficient because you get higher amount of cargo in shorter times 14:01:35 <AndreasB> Producer -> Hub A -> Hub C -> Factory -> Hub C -> Hub A -> City (Goods) 14:02:09 <Eddi|zuHause> you don't really need hub for secondary cargo (unless you do distribution between cities) 14:02:34 <Eddi|zuHause> so hub C is mostly useless 14:02:52 <AndreasB> Well, you dont want 20 square trains going to the factory, now do you? 14:02:53 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@2001:470:1f06:13e0::1337] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03:16 <planetmaker> why not? 14:03:21 <AndreasB> Why have hub at A, if you arent going to have it at C ? 14:04:12 <AndreasB> ahh 14:04:33 <AndreasB> Theres a limit to how much you can pick up at producer, but you can deliver all cargo from 20 producers at 1 factory 14:04:48 <AndreasB> Didnt think of it like that 14:04:56 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.201.99.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:04:57 <AndreasB> That would save a lot of time.. Hmm 14:05:01 <AndreasB> afk 14:08:47 <Eddi|zuHause> well, you need to think about a hub C if you deliver like more than 20000 units of cargo per month :) 14:09:08 <AndreasB> why? 14:09:47 <Eddi|zuHause> because the factory cannot produce goods any faster than that, so the extra cargo will be accepted, but you get no goods out of it for further profit 14:09:58 <AndreasB> ah 14:10:26 <Eddi|zuHause> this depends on the size of the industry, so it's more for oil refineries and less for sawmills 14:10:41 <Eddi|zuHause> exact numbers are written somewhere 14:10:59 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 12*255 14:10:59 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 3060 14:11:07 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 12*255*256 14:11:07 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 783360 14:11:12 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 8*255*256 14:11:12 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 522240 14:11:15 <AndreasB> o.O 14:11:21 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, no that's not it 14:11:29 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 12*255*8 14:11:29 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 24480 14:11:33 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 12*255*9 14:11:33 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 27540 14:11:40 <AndreasB> lol 14:11:41 <Eddi|zuHause> one of those 14:12:45 <Eddi|zuHause> each tile can produce 255 items during each production step, there are 8 to 9 production steps in each month, and there are 12 tiles in a factory 14:13:13 <AndreasB> and there are 12 tiles in a factory 14:13:16 <AndreasB> what does that mean? 14:13:49 <Eddi|zuHause> the factory occupies 12 tiles (3 2x2 blocks) 14:14:15 <Eddi|zuHause> the oil refinery is 4x5, so 20 tiles 14:14:15 <AndreasB> ahh 14:14:17 <AndreasB> I see now 14:14:36 <Eddi|zuHause> sizes can vary depending on industry layout 14:14:37 <AndreasB> but is 1 unit of oil = 1 unit of goods? 14:15:18 <Eddi|zuHause> 1.000l is one unit of oil, and it produces 1 unit of goods (reduced by your station rating, so you won't get 100% out of it) 14:15:31 <AndreasB> aha 14:16:35 *** tmsft [~id@37.140.126.17] has joined #openttd 14:17:50 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:35:29 *** j7n [jMoveAlong@balticom-142-84-209.balticom.lv] has joined #openttd 15:06:29 *** cypher_ [~cypher@ip-213-220-193-169.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:25:02 <DanMacK> @seen Bad_Brett 15:25:02 <DorpsGek> DanMacK: Bad_Brett was last seen in #openttd 6 days, 16 hours, 38 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <Bad_Brett> hmm i might have accidently found the error 15:31:24 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p57978D42.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 15:38:23 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.99.169] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:38:46 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.99.169] has joined #openttd 15:44:29 <Flygon> Famous last words 15:49:36 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:52:42 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@2001:470:1f06:13e0::1337] has joined #openttd 15:53:29 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@87.114.21.53] has joined #openttd 15:59:10 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@zeroshell2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:59:13 <juzza1> Didn't he have a big newgrf in the making? hope he comes back 16:10:52 <DanMacK> oh yeah, he is 16:11:11 <DanMacK> I'm talking with him about borrowing and modifying some stuff to TTD style 16:16:10 <juzza1> ok :) 16:18:32 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7864.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:19:46 <DanMacK> I really need to get the steam done for the FTS :P 16:21:21 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:23:48 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:23:51 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:27:04 *** cypher_ [~cypher@ip-213-220-193-169.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:48:48 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.99.169] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:50:20 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.99.169] has joined #openttd 16:50:22 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.99.169] has quit [] 16:52:31 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.99.169] has joined #openttd 17:11:08 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 17:12:52 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:20:20 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:31:27 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 17:33:16 *** tmsft [~id@37.140.126.17] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:37:51 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:39:15 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-78-45-93-251.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:42:14 *** TheMask96 [martijn@polaris.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 17:51:53 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.157.55] has joined #openttd 18:02:43 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 18:11:51 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:12:01 <Wolf01> hoi 18:12:47 <DanMacK> ho ho 18:18:18 *** Nat_aS [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 18:18:45 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 18:18:53 <DanMacK> hey! 18:19:02 <andythenorth> hi DorpsGek 18:19:04 <andythenorth> meh 18:19:06 <andythenorth> hi DanMacK 18:19:13 <DanMacK> lol 18:19:14 *** Haube [~michi@77-20-40-44-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 18:21:25 *** ProfFrink [~proffrink@100.231.90.146.dyn.plus.net] has joined #openttd 18:22:17 *** Dr_Tan [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:23:10 *** Prof_Frink [~proffrink@87.114.21.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:23:10 *** ProfFrink is now known as Prof_Frink 18:24:45 *** V453000 is now known as AssThunder 18:27:31 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.99.169] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:27:46 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.99.169] has joined #openttd 18:30:31 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.99.169] has quit [] 18:32:31 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.127.74] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:32:50 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.127.74] has joined #openttd 18:42:17 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.99.169] has joined #openttd 18:48:17 *** AssThunder is now known as V453000 18:48:19 *** TrueBrain_ [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has joined #openttd 18:50:00 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@ip82-139-82-247.lijbrandt.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:50:33 <andythenorth> so Dan just told me about this... 18:50:34 <andythenorth> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=7519&hilit=palconvert 18:50:56 <andythenorth> how do I compile the C file? 18:51:08 <andythenorth> I am helpless without a makefile :) 18:51:20 *** montalvo [~montalvo@papc-ma276.st-andrews.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 18:52:20 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.157.55] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:52:45 <DanMacK> use the exe 18:53:00 <DanMacK> it's a command line interface IIRC 18:55:07 <andythenorth> exe no worky worky on Mac 18:55:22 <DanMacK> ahhhh 18:55:31 *** TrueBrain_ is now known as TrueBrain 18:55:47 <planetmaker> gcc -o file file.c 18:56:34 <Pinkbeast> On a Mac that looks like it should just compile with a straight compiler invocation. 18:59:10 <andythenorth> worked 18:59:32 <andythenorth> DanMacK: is it pcx only? 18:59:45 <andythenorth> ever tried a png? 19:00:03 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6AECD.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:02:09 <V453000> omfg? :D 19:03:40 <DanMacK> I think it's pcx only, not sure 19:04:09 <Ristovski> planetmaker: OpenGFX's hg repo seems to be down, can you check? 19:04:21 <Ristovski> I mean, if I do "hg clone http://hg.openttdcoop.org/opengfx" it doesnt do anything, just freezes 19:05:03 <Ristovski> "abort: HTTP Error 504: Gateway Time-out" 19:08:24 <Ristovski> nvm, whole http://hg.openttdcoop.org/ is down 19:08:28 <Ristovski> server crashed? 19:15:20 <Ristovski> Dayum fix yo intertubez 19:18:09 *** Netsplit solenoid.oftc.net <-> reticulum.oftc.net quits: Kurimus, DDR, TomyLobo, Ammler, tneo, heffer, avdg, @Rubidium, MNIM, frosch123, (+105 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 19:18:35 *** Netsplit over, joins: TrueBrain, Japa, Prof_Frink, Haube, Nat_aS, Wolf01, TheMask96, TomyLobo, oskari89, +glx (+104 more) 19:24:35 *** DanMacK [~63ffa3b9@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:26:32 *** Netsplit reticulum.oftc.net <-> resistance.oftc.net quits: tparker, eQualizer, Extrems, tdammers, Ttech, Yexo, Eddi|zuHause, MNIM, jjavaholic, @planetmaker, (+45 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 19:27:14 *** DanMacK [~63ffa3b9@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 19:27:20 *** Netsplit over, joins: Japa, Prof_Frink, Nat_aS, Wolf01, TomyLobo, oskari89, Alice3, ST2, +tokai|noir, Devroush (+45 more) 19:27:36 * DanMacK slaps andythenorth around a bit with a large fishbot 19:27:55 *** mode/#openttd [+v planetmaker] by ChanServ 19:28:32 <andythenorth> wasn't me that did it 19:28:41 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.55.36] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:40:33 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.99.169] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40:55 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.99.169] has joined #openttd 19:49:09 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 19:56:26 <Ristovski> andythenorth: y u do dis 19:56:44 <Ristovski> andythenorth: fix hg pls 19:56:59 <andythenorth> ok I'll get right on that 19:57:09 <Ristovski> Thanks 19:57:12 <andythenorth> ok it's fixed 19:58:47 <Ristovski> andythenorth: what was the problem 19:58:51 <Ristovski> and not fixed 20:00:03 <andythenorth> oh dear 20:00:17 <andythenorth> do you know how to fix it? 20:00:34 <Ristovski> "abort: HTTP Error 504: Gateway Time-out" 20:00:40 <Ristovski> andythenorth: no idea 20:00:48 <Ristovski> andythenorth: try restarting the service? 20:00:56 <andythenorth> what does that error mean? 20:01:29 <Ristovski> "The 504 Gateway Timeout error is an HTTP status code that means that one server did not receive a timely response from another server that it was accessing while attempting to load the web page or fill another request by the browser." 20:01:37 <Ristovski> andythenorth: my guess is hg server is bork 20:01:46 <Ristovski> and nginx just throws that error 20:02:01 * DanMacK looks around for the admins 20:02:10 <andythenorth> did we turn it off and on again? 20:02:17 <Ristovski> andythenorth: try that 20:02:24 <DanMacK> lol 20:03:27 <andythenorth> Ristovski: have you tried restarting your computer? 20:03:36 <andythenorth> or reinstalling the OS? 20:03:36 <Ristovski> andythenorth: :| 20:03:39 <Ristovski> yes 20:03:45 <Ristovski> I installed windows 8.1 now 20:03:49 <Ristovski> much betr!!1 20:04:29 <andythenorth> Ristovski: I have to admit I am trolling you 20:04:34 <andythenorth> I have no idea how to fix hg either 20:04:37 <Ristovski> I know 20:04:38 <andythenorth> but I can't push 20:05:00 <andythenorth> when planetmaker has time, he'll figure it out 20:05:01 <andythenorth> :) 20:05:08 <andythenorth> meanwhile, we sit tight :) 20:07:17 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:07:37 <Ristovski> andythenorth: do you have enough permissions to restart hg on server? 20:07:38 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.55.36] has joined #openttd 20:08:20 <andythenorth> no 20:08:25 <andythenorth> I deliberately don't have ssh 20:09:27 <Ristovski> why not 20:09:35 <andythenorth> I don't trust myself 20:09:53 <andythenorth> and I would get asked to server admin 20:11:06 <Ristovski> wut o_O 20:15:35 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 20:24:44 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 20:29:30 <frosch123> night 20:29:34 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f7864.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 20:29:38 <andythenorth> too slow :( 20:29:42 <andythenorth> he's quick 20:30:50 *** cyph3r [~cypher@ip-213-220-193-169.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 20:31:10 <retro|cz> cyph3r === "gay" 20:36:23 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:37:41 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:39:35 <andythenorth> night 20:39:35 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginmedia.com] has left #openttd [] 20:43:07 *** DanMacK [~63ffa3b9@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:50:41 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:51:01 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:52:02 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:52:22 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:05:26 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:12:06 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:20:02 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:21:53 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 21:25:30 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.127.74] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:30:15 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:30:20 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:31:55 <AndreasB> Oilfield doesnt go over 67% ? 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