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Or ships. 07:31:37 <Alberth> moin 07:32:07 <Thurak> with the starting 100k, or 300k if you borrow extra, wouldnt be enough for a long track 07:32:14 <Thurak> tho i suppose i could do a smaller one 07:32:52 <Alberth> very long ones are not so interesting to build imho 07:33:50 <Alberth> they make a lot of money, but that's not a very interesting property, as you'll swim in it soon enough :) 07:34:16 <Thurak> i like the long fast flattened ones :P 07:34:30 <Alberth> why? 07:34:31 <juzza1> i only build trains, and usually start with a short-ish "money maker" cargo train 07:34:44 <juzza1> then build longer rails later on 07:35:33 <Alberth> if you build on non-flat terrain, and leave the terrain mostly alone, it's much more challenging to build tracks. 07:35:57 <Alberth> The "flatten everything and build a long straight track" is so easy :) 07:36:32 <Thurak> but ill be using vacuum tracks, so up to 4100kmh :P 07:37:11 <Alberth> it's just a number :) 07:38:58 <Thurak> shh, im 19 and im supposed to like big numbers in games 07:40:35 <V453000> number which causes the train run so fast that you can barely see it sounds rather dumb though :) 07:40:48 <__ln__> Thurak: you mean: i'll, im 07:40:59 <__ln__> *i'm 07:41:17 <planetmaker> Thurak, the starting money is enough for me to start rail services 07:41:36 <planetmaker> not from one edge to the next. But medium distance (100 tiles or so) 07:41:43 <planetmaker> good enough for decent money gain 07:41:48 <Thurak> ah right 07:41:55 <planetmaker> like juzza said :-) 07:42:22 <planetmaker> and yes. I never terraform terrain :-) 07:42:22 <V453000> I start with trains and then continue with trains 07:42:31 <V453000> sometimes I mix some trains in 07:42:48 <Supercheese> road trains? 07:42:48 <V453000> you dont need to terraform at all for the first few years really :) 07:43:19 <planetmaker> nor actually in the later years 07:43:30 <planetmaker> well. slightly for largish stations or for some elaborate hubs 07:43:39 <planetmaker> but only tile by tile as it's strictly needed 07:43:46 <planetmaker> makes things also look nicer. IMHO 07:44:55 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 07:45:42 <V453000> ofc just a few tiles :) 07:46:02 <V453000> but I usually expand to LL_RR after around 4 years, that is when a few tiles are usually necessary 07:46:38 <V453000> could generalize that to "tf is needed in first expanding" :P 07:52:53 <planetmaker> yeah. Where 'needed' is a rather chewing gum definition ;-) 07:53:52 <V453000> more or less :) 07:54:41 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 07:59:02 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 07:59:26 <Wolf01> hi hi 08:05:58 *** Thurak [~oftc-webi@87-194-20-232.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:08:52 <Alberth> moin 08:37:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-167-47-91.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:38:45 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 08:41:42 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 08:42:56 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.109.240] has joined #openttd 08:45:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1912D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 08:47:05 <andythenorth> moin 08:47:28 <Alberth> moin 08:48:38 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.110.51] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:58:20 <andythenorth> I tried to reproduce some of the OS X bugs 08:58:33 <andythenorth> but they require old old old OS X versions :( 08:58:43 <andythenorth> and they don't look particularly reliable to reproduce 09:02:15 <andythenorth> one of them reports for 10.4 on a G3 09:02:34 <andythenorth> that's an 8 year old operating system, on a chip which hasn't been available in a new mac for 10 years 09:03:15 <Alberth> that's one way to solve bugs :p 09:03:45 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 09:03:53 <andythenorth> I look at it this way 09:04:02 <andythenorth> is anybody going to fix it, before the heat death of the universe? 09:04:18 <andythenorth> o_O 09:05:00 <andythenorth> if you buy a mac and run OS X on it, you've implicitly or explicitly bought into rapid obsolescence 09:05:17 <andythenorth> so why expect old-version support from open source projects? 09:05:34 <andythenorth> if you don't like it, run linux on your PPC, or get VirtualBox for intel macs 09:07:46 <andythenorth> or go buy a dell :) 09:08:47 <__ln__> andythenorth: openttd only supports old OS X versions, not the newer ones explicitly. 09:10:32 <andythenorth> I would close this one http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5694 09:10:39 <andythenorth> although fonso has been working on it :) 09:11:43 <__ln__> why? is it fixed? 09:12:23 * andythenorth has a trigger-happy approach to closing bugs as "won't fix" 09:12:32 <andythenorth> ymmv 09:13:46 <__ln__> but why the f would that one be a wontfix, as it is even reproducible, and happens on a platform that is well supported by openttd. 09:13:53 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 09:14:42 <andythenorth> what does supported mean 09:14:42 <andythenorth> ? 09:16:41 <__ln__> if you ask people responsible of the builds, they will tell that ppc was never the problem, only intel. 09:17:16 <andythenorth> why fix bugs for a dead cpu platform though? 09:17:23 <andythenorth> seems like a waste of effort 09:17:27 <andythenorth> unless it's interesting :) 09:18:38 <__ln__> it's obviously not dead, as people are reporting bugs in 2013 and others debugging the bugs in 2013. 09:18:46 <andythenorth> [shrug] 09:18:48 <andythenorth> they're mac users 09:18:58 <andythenorth> if they want long-lasting support, they should buy a different OS 09:19:12 * andythenorth isn't trying to start an argument :) 09:19:16 <andythenorth> it's just a point of view 09:19:28 <andythenorth> different OS / hardware /s 09:20:10 <__ln__> i'm not sure if RedHat Enterprise Linux is available for G3/G4. 09:21:02 <__ln__> andythenorth: btw, OS X 10.4 is several years newer than Windows XP. 09:21:12 <andythenorth> true 09:21:23 <andythenorth> I got the impression that MS offer longer-lasting support 09:21:34 <andythenorth> might be wrong, didn't check the dates 09:21:56 <__ln__> true, XP is still supported for a few months. but even they don't offer support for OpenTTD. 09:22:08 <__ln__> they = microsoft 09:22:24 <andythenorth> my point is more about the ethics of the platform 09:22:36 <andythenorth> open source has a general ethos of long lasting support 09:22:46 <andythenorth> but the hardware / OS vendor attitudes vary wildly 09:23:04 <andythenorth> and the expectations of users ought to be matched to the hardware / OS vendor they bought 09:23:16 <andythenorth> mac users who expect long lasting support are a bit naive 09:24:02 <andythenorth> anyway, to change the discussion, I can't repro any of the reported OS X bugs with the system I have in front of me :P 09:24:28 <__ln__> andythenorth: you're mistaken. if by open source you mean e.g. Linux, how many distros released in mid-2005 (same time as OS X 10.4) are still supported? 09:24:39 <andythenorth> dunno :) 09:26:39 <__ln__> RHEL 4, released in 2005, actually is in some "extended life cycle" phase until 2015. i doubt there are others. 09:27:20 <andythenorth> interesting 09:27:25 <andythenorth> every day is a school day 09:27:47 <andythenorth> so for a recent RHEL, how far back might hardware support go? 09:29:38 <__ln__> minimum ram for RHEL6 installer is probably 512MB if not even 1GB. that sets some limits. 09:30:52 <andythenorth> interesting 09:31:15 <andythenorth> also I just upgraded my wife's 10.7 mac to 10.8 :x, so I can't try any of the 10.7.x bugs either :( 09:33:24 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.19.44.77] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:40:16 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.127.74] has joined #openttd 09:40:51 <planetmaker> andythenorth, the interesting thing about ppc support is that it's the "test platform" for big endian (all others are little endian) processors 09:49:07 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6553.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 09:50:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-167-47-91.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:55:51 <fonsinchen> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5694 is a problem of the compile farm 09:55:58 <fonsinchen> The ICU binary is broken for PPC 09:59:08 <fonsinchen> Either we have to compile without ICU for PPC or we have to compile ICU properly. The last time I tried ICU wouldn't compile on 10.4/PPC. 10:05:28 *** LordAro [~LordAro@sns61-63.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 10:06:26 <Alberth> hi LordAro 10:06:51 <LordAro> /o Alberth and all 10:18:25 *** bon [~18c83e2f@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 10:18:29 <bon> hi 10:23:35 <Eddi|zuHause> ... or we drop PPC support :) 10:23:54 <bon> mm what this about? 10:24:07 <Eddi|zuHause> @logs 10:24:07 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: http://irclogs.qmsk.net/channels/openttd 10:25:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6DD55.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:25:55 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1912D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:28:57 *** arand_ [~arand@nl116-226-21.student.uu.se] has joined #openttd 10:31:48 *** arand__ [~arand@nl116-226-21.student.uu.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:31:58 <bon> heh I don't have much to say other than this being exactly why I like things like ogl etc..they still can be written for one generation but still function just fine on other prior generation cards too 10:32:04 <bon> (bit offtopic I know) 10:38:59 <fonsinchen> We should just build two versions for OSX: 10.3 - 10.4 PPC and 10.4+ universal. For 10.4 PPC the pure PPC build should be used. Then we can build the PPC version without ICU and everyone will be happy. 10:39:14 <fonsinchen> (Except for the guy who has to set up all that mess on the CF) 10:42:19 <bon> mm I'll be inclined to say that 10.3-10.4 restriction sounds good. <=10.2 was always a bit too early and buggy (whatever ran that could run 10.3 anyway) 10:46:29 <TinoDidriksen> Why bother with <= 10.4 at all? Anyone still running that? 10:48:22 <bon> tino its mainly to do with restore cd versions but also from hardcoded "hardware check" limits at times too 10:48:47 <bon> theres other reasons too but not that I've personally seen them so much here yet 10:51:44 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-167-47-91.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:52:56 * andythenorth has had one of those days http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?OneMoreLevelOfIndirection 10:54:58 <bon> tino I did a quick check. indeed 10.5 doesn't support several cpus 10:56:16 <bon> interesting article there. I like the parallelism remarks 10:56:27 <Terkhen> good morning 10:58:54 <bon> hi terkhen 10:59:53 <andythenorth> c2 wiki is always good value 11:00:31 <bon> mm 11:10:02 <bon> heh hey eddi I know its old but looking at the log I see you refered to the bayerische gt 2x4/4 .. thats one of the few favorite german steam locomotives of mine :p 11:10:15 <frosch123> @base 16 10 1000 11:10:15 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 4096 11:18:06 *** Zuu [~Zuu@gateway.sdr.org] has joined #openttd 11:19:02 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p4FEDD6C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:22:14 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:26:19 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 11:28:16 <frosch123> @base 10 16 64000 11:28:16 <DorpsGek> frosch123: FA00 11:32:02 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.159.76] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32:32 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.159.76] has joined #openttd 11:38:50 *** LordAro [~LordAro@sns61-63.york.ac.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:46:06 *** Tom_Soft [~id@37.140.123.223] has joined #openttd 11:48:07 <peter1138> Hmm, I read @base as abuse :S 11:48:34 <frosch123> abuse would be using octal 11:49:44 <bon> heh? 11:50:20 * andythenorth is writing css 11:50:28 <andythenorth> larks 11:53:57 <bon> Can Sit Still? ;) 11:53:59 <bon> heh heh 12:00:24 <peter1138> Larks! 12:01:14 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.109.240] has joined #openttd 12:06:51 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.109.240] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:12:50 <andythenorth> what's it all about eh? 12:18:32 * bon wonders the same 12:20:03 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1912D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 12:28:59 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 12:29:58 <peter1138> So singleton or static class? 12:30:44 <Wolf01> singleton, for example I found static classes in PHP are totally shit 12:32:53 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:37:30 *** LordAro [~LordAro@sns154-93.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 12:41:47 *** dfox_ [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:43:51 <peter1138> Fortunately I'm not using PHP :) 12:47:01 *** bon [~18c83e2f@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:51:45 *** dfox_ [~dfox@94.142.237.120] has joined #openttd 12:58:38 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.109.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:00:59 <andythenorth> static class 13:01:05 <andythenorth> you might find you need more than one :P 13:01:13 <andythenorth> margin or padding? 13:03:04 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.109.240] has joined #openttd 13:03:08 <frosch123> how to test a patch past compilation? 13:06:16 *** Thurak [~oftc-webi@87-194-20-232.bethere.co.uk] has joined #openttd 13:06:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:07:16 <Thurak> wow found a newGRF for 1850 trains 13:08:21 <andythenorth> which one? 13:08:25 <planetmaker> frosch123, which patch? 13:08:35 <frosch123> mine 13:08:42 <frosch123> but it crashes loading the title screen 13:08:49 <frosch123> obnoxious savegame conversion :) 13:08:58 <planetmaker> :-) 13:09:09 <peter1138> That's a lot of trains. 13:09:23 <planetmaker> peter1138, game year maybe? 13:09:26 <andythenorth> @calc 1850 / 150 13:09:26 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: 12.3333333333 13:10:12 <Thurak> North american renewal set 13:10:27 <Thurak> trains for 1850 to 2050 13:10:55 <andythenorth> oh 13:11:04 <andythenorth> silly old andythenorth 13:11:13 <andythenorth> I thought you meant it has 1850 trains in it 13:11:54 <V453000> LOL 13:11:58 <Thurak> oh :P 13:12:09 <Alberth> or it can hold 1850 trains :p 13:13:04 <Thurak> hmm this one sounds useful 13:13:18 <Thurak> progressive rail set, makes upgrading rails easier 13:13:37 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.109.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:13:49 <Thurak> electric can run on monorail, and monorail can run on maglev 13:17:06 <Alberth> so boring, why not make new tracks instead of upgrading existing ones? 13:17:56 <Thurak> surely do both 13:18:00 <Thurak> upgrade the old, and make new 13:21:36 <V453000> go use universal rails :) 13:22:53 <Thurak> are there any truch newGRFs for 1850 or so 13:22:57 <Thurak> truck* 13:23:24 <andythenorth> egrvts 13:23:30 <andythenorth> horses 13:23:32 <Thurak> also that makes me start to wonder when would the first trucks have been made 13:23:38 <andythenorth> 1905 or so 13:23:40 <andythenorth> for mass productions 13:23:45 <andythenorth> HEQS has trams 13:23:52 <andythenorth> try HEQS and egrvts together 13:24:09 <Thurak> arent trams more like rails 13:24:40 <planetmaker> well. In the game they're more like roads 13:24:51 <Thurak> is that a typo? it says 1980-2070 13:24:56 <Thurak> but then says horse drawn carriages 13:25:10 <Thurak> or eGRVTS2 13:25:12 <Thurak> for* 13:25:33 <frosch123> does someone here have a savegame with tons of new objects? 13:26:08 <frosch123> (as in, not only loaded newgrf, but also on the map) 13:26:23 <planetmaker> hm... I guess I don't :-( 13:26:35 <planetmaker> But I think I know where you come from :D 13:27:05 <planetmaker> more different objects, or could it be the same? 13:27:52 <frosch123> wasn't there someone filling the map with dutch road furniture? 13:28:04 <frosch123> or should i search for a drag&drop buy land patch? 13:32:10 <Thurak> think ill start a game on very rough and mountainous now 13:32:29 <frosch123> very rough usually looks boring 13:32:34 <frosch123> very repetitive 13:32:43 <Thurak> oh really? 13:32:49 <Thurak> what would be a good one to use 13:33:08 <frosch123> mountainious and low variety distribution is a good start 13:33:13 <frosch123> medium roughness 13:33:14 <Thurak> ok 13:33:32 <Thurak> medium roughness, so smooth? 13:33:46 <Thurak> or just 'rough' 13:33:47 <frosch123> just try 13:34:03 <Thurak> ok 13:34:22 <frosch123> also higher water levels (30% or so) can somehow improve map structure 13:34:24 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 13:34:27 <frosch123> though it's kind of weird 13:35:28 <Thurak> ok that looks pretty good 13:39:55 <Thurak> oh my, i could start in 1700 13:40:14 <peter1138> I had a better map generator once... 13:40:34 <Thurak> tho once i get the stuff from 1700, it takes 130 years before i get anything new 13:40:58 <frosch123> Thurak: make sure to disable inflation 13:41:22 <frosch123> noone starting in 1800 has so far managed to reach 19xx without bankrupting 13:41:27 *** Bad_Brett [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #openttd 13:41:32 <Thurak> oh wow.. why? 13:41:44 <planetmaker> :-) 13:41:48 <Thurak> shouldnt your income also increace with inflation 13:41:49 <planetmaker> try and find out :D 13:41:50 <frosch123> because expenses increase faster than income wrt. inflation 13:41:54 <Thurak> ahh.. 13:42:05 <frosch123> which bankrupts you if technology does not improve at the same rate 13:42:50 <Thurak> also with that inflation.. what would things be costing 13:43:21 <Thurak> 1700 to 2000 at 2% per year, £1 goes to £308 13:43:31 <Thurak> £380* 13:45:08 <frosch123> hmm, wiki does not even list a drag buy land patch :/ 13:49:05 <Thurak> now... 1700 start, this might be interesting 13:49:14 <andythenorth> it won't be 13:49:18 <Thurak> aww 13:49:22 <andythenorth> starting early is really slow :) 13:49:28 <andythenorth> but don't let me spoil it :) 13:49:37 <Thurak> wel i know transport speed is going to be slow 13:49:39 <Thurak> but its also cheap 13:49:43 <andythenorth> just be prepared to make a lot of coffee while you wait for deliveries 13:50:01 <Thurak> mmm :) 13:50:30 <Sturmi> that would need a new industry chain for coffee 13:51:43 * frosch123 hardcodes that purchaseing land is only possible in batches of 256x200 tiles 13:52:49 <Alberth> lol 13:54:36 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:54:41 *** Bad_Brett [~bad@78-69-118-27-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 13:57:43 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-167-47-91.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:00:31 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:56 <planetmaker> :D 14:01:25 <frosch123> hmm, triggered an assertion when blitter switched in game :s 14:02:11 <frosch123> deadlocked draw mutex or so 14:07:28 <Thurak> well im making a profit, tho it is pretty small.. 14:10:34 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:11:03 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host86-146-60-121.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:19:33 <Thurak> usefull.. i have 2 sawmills right next to each other 14:19:38 <Thurak> they are touching on the corners 14:20:06 <planetmaker> can be. If you ship more wood to the station than one saw mill can process in a month 14:22:06 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/File:PSG176.png ;-) 14:23:03 <Thurak> i wasnt planning on shipping the goods somewhere after 14:25:06 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:25:09 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 14:31:08 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-94-142.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:34:45 <Thurak> why is the value of my passengers degresing 14:34:53 <Thurak> before it was 300 or so at the end of the trip, now its less 14:35:26 <planetmaker> payment is only determined upon delivery. You're too slow for the distance :-) 14:36:10 <Thurak> but the time and distance is the same as it was before 14:36:33 <Thurak> before when i looked at the info sheet it said the value was almost 700 for my first one 14:40:00 <Thurak> oh its the value of the truck >.< 14:41:25 *** Sturmi2 [~sturmi@p4FEDD6C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:42:40 *** Sturmi3 [~sturmi@p4FEDD6C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 14:45:40 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:46:22 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 14:47:31 *** Sturmi [~sturmi@p4FEDD6C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:48:49 *** Sturmi2 [~sturmi@p4FEDD6C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:50:37 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.109.240] has joined #openttd 14:51:44 <Thurak> are advanced settigns set when you start a game or can you change in the middle 14:52:40 <FLHerne> Thurak: Depends, most are changeable 14:52:55 <FLHerne> Thurak: Anything you can't change is greyed out 14:53:27 <FLHerne> You can't change stuff while an MP game is running, but you can load the save in SP, change settings, then rehost 14:53:42 <FLHerne> s/stuff/game-state-affecting stuff/ 14:57:34 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-167-47-91.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:00:58 <planetmaker> @calc 2**14 15:00:59 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: 16384 15:08:09 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host86-146-60-121.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzâŠ] 15:15:38 *** Taede [~TWerkhove@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:17:16 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:18:25 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:21:28 *** zydeco [~zydeco@24.75.18.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 15:27:37 *** Taede [~Taede@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 15:31:28 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:37:11 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 15:44:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-167-47-91.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:44:51 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/allmine.png <- best feature ever 15:45:26 <Thurak> whats that? 15:45:29 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host86-146-60-121.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:45:48 <Sturmi3> buyallatonce patch? 15:45:53 <Eddi|zuHause> drag&drop buy= 15:46:01 <Thurak> um ok 15:46:21 <Eddi|zuHause> the mother of all anti-features :p 15:46:36 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host86-146-60-121.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 15:46:41 <zydeco> I can see that possibly being abused 15:46:51 <planetmaker> :-) 15:46:54 <Thurak> when is it a good time to set full load any cargo 15:46:59 <Thurak> and when is it a bad time to do so 15:47:51 <zydeco> maybe a train with the same space for grain and livestock loading at a farm 15:48:12 <planetmaker> ^ for instance 15:48:24 <Thurak> well atm im only moving pasengers in trams 15:48:29 <planetmaker> or mail+pax 15:48:31 <Thurak> horse trams, fastest are about 20mph 15:48:42 <Eddi|zuHause> good: if your train carries 300 wood and 8 mail, and the station near the forest doesn't provide mail. bad: if your train carries 300 wood and 8 mail, and the station near the forest provides mail 15:48:45 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-24-105-140-5.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 15:48:55 <planetmaker> hehe ^ 15:50:02 <Thurak> well currently i have it set, and one of the stations cant provide enough to fill them 15:50:05 <Thurak> and the other is overflowing 15:50:21 <Thurak> is there a way to change lots of trams at once to full load at the overflowing one only? 15:50:36 <Eddi|zuHause> you generalls yon't use full load for symmetric cargos like passengers 15:51:12 <Thurak> ok 15:51:24 <Alberth> it won't take long before there are more passengers than you can handle :p 15:51:30 <Thurak> yeah :P 15:51:39 <zydeco> if you have vehicles doing the same things, it would be convenient to use shared orders 15:51:49 *** Hendrick [~Hendrick@212.93.105.25] has joined #openttd 15:52:00 <Alberth> they all take and bring stuff? 15:52:38 <zydeco> but if the station already provides more passengers than you can handle, you don't need a full load order 15:52:38 <Thurak> then i need a way to stagger my trams 15:52:46 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:52:46 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: is it possible you're lacking a font for japanese town names? 15:52:55 <Thurak> atm i have this massive bunch up of 20, and the rest of the track is empty 15:53:02 <zydeco> timetables? 15:53:17 <Thurak> whats that? 15:53:40 <Thurak> http://wiki.openttd.org/Timetable found wiki page 15:53:40 <zydeco> you can make them stop at a station for a given amount of days or ticks 15:53:55 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: keen eye, i wondered whether someone would notice 15:53:57 <zydeco> so they won't leave early even if there's nothing to load 15:54:08 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, it's chinese 15:54:28 <zydeco> should I submit this patch? http://i.imgur.com/7DWwa6q.png 15:54:37 <zydeco> or forget everything about it and never mention it again 15:54:50 <Alberth> frosch123: we were so very much overwhelmed by your wealthy possessions :) 15:54:53 <Thurak> would i have to set timetables for each tram? 15:55:11 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/allmine2.png <- yay :) 15:55:13 <zydeco> yes, unless they share orders 15:55:26 <zydeco> if the orders are shared, so is the timetable 15:56:01 <Thurak> i have about 100 trams ... 15:56:05 <Thurak> and i was going to make quite a few more 15:56:13 <Thurak> since they have tiny capacity and cheap cost 15:56:18 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: you can combine the cost into one animation, you know :p 15:56:21 <Alberth> frosch123: a little dent in the bank account :p 15:56:34 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host86-146-60-121.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:57:15 <planetmaker> zydeco, what's that patch? The brown stuff? Emitted by vehicles? 15:57:37 <zydeco> no, that's the usual realistic diesel smoke 15:58:00 <zydeco> look at the sides the busses drive on 15:58:00 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: not in the hackish way i did it :p 15:58:16 <frosch123> otoh, may method might be multiplayer compatible 15:58:26 <frosch123> -a 15:59:49 <Thurak> i guess timetables work better with trains as you dont need to set so many 16:01:58 <planetmaker> you know shared orders and automatic timetable separation, yes/no? 16:02:23 <Thurak> nope, i havent been playing for that long 16:04:41 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.19.44.77] has joined #openttd 16:05:44 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 16:17:07 <Thurak> nice thing with wait for full is i can just make one, clone it 30 times, then start all of them at once from the depot 16:17:39 <zydeco> if you use control-clic when you clone it, they will have shared orders 16:17:49 <zydeco> so any change in their orders or timetables, will happen on all 16:19:50 <Thurak> when i normally clone stuff they have the same orders 16:20:05 <Thurak> if i tell it to go to london (fill all), all clones will be told to do the same 16:23:09 <zydeco> so then you don't have to set timetables for each 16:23:42 <zydeco> you can just tell them to stop at the station for a number of days, and stop them manually to space them 16:24:34 <__ln__> zydeco: the singular of bus is bus, and the plural is buses. 16:24:44 <zydeco> oops 16:24:57 <zydeco> it will not happen again 16:25:36 <Eddi|zuHause> well it would be awkward if the plural were bussi :p 16:26:34 <zydeco> lol 16:29:20 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-167-47-91.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:29:47 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25830 trunk/src/object_gui.cpp (2013-10-12 16:29:42 UTC) 16:29:48 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5742] (r25540): In BuildObjectWindow, ensure the object spec matrix is always initialized. (sbr) 16:30:11 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25831 trunk/src/newgrf_object.h (2013-10-12 16:30:05 UTC) 16:30:12 <DorpsGek> -Change: Increase the object class limit from 32 to 255. (sbr) 16:30:28 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25832 /trunk/src (4 files in 2 dirs) (2013-10-12 16:30:22 UTC) 16:30:29 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Reduce variety of object type test functions. 16:30:48 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25833 /trunk (10 files in 3 dirs) (2013-10-12 16:30:42 UTC) 16:30:48 <peter1138> 32 was the old drop down list limit :-) 16:30:49 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Move ObjectType from map array into pool item. 16:31:39 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25834 /trunk/src (newgrf.cpp object_type.h) (2013-10-12 16:31:31 UTC) 16:31:40 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Use NUM_OBJECTS_PER_GRF instead of NUM_OBJECTS to properly distinguish limits per NewGRF and limits of the pool. 16:31:41 <DorpsGek> -Change: [NewGRF] Lower the limit of object types per NewGRF from 256 to 255 to prevent usage of ID 0xFF in Action3, and thus allowing it to become an extended byte somewhen. 16:32:01 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25835 /trunk/src (object_cmd.cpp object_type.h) (2013-10-12 16:31:55 UTC) 16:32:02 <DorpsGek> -Change: Increase the total number of object types from 256 to 64000. 16:32:21 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25836 /trunk/src (industry_type.h newgrf.cpp) (2013-10-12 16:32:16 UTC) 16:32:22 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Use NUM_INDUSTRYTYPES_PER_GRF instead of NUM_INDUSTRYTYPES to properly distinguish limits per NewGRF and limits of the pool. 16:33:05 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25837 /trunk/src (industry_type.h newgrf.cpp) (2013-10-12 16:32:59 UTC) 16:33:06 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Use NUM_INDUSTRYTILES_PER_GRF instead of NUM_INDUSTRYTILES to properly distinguish limits per NewGRF and limits of the pool. 16:33:07 <DorpsGek> -Change: [NewGRF] Lower the limit of industry tile types per NewGRF from 256 to 255 to prevent usage of ID 0xFF in Action3, and thus allowing it to become an extended byte somewhen. 16:33:25 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25838 /trunk/src (6 files) (2013-10-12 16:33:19 UTC) 16:33:26 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Rename HOUSE_MAX to NUM_HOUSES. 16:33:35 <andythenorth> busy day 16:34:10 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25839 /trunk/src (house.h newgrf.cpp) (2013-10-12 16:34:04 UTC) 16:34:11 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Use NUM_HOUSES_PER_GRF instead of NUM_HOUSES to properly distinguish limits per NewGRF and limits of the pool. 16:34:12 <DorpsGek> -Change: [NewGRF] Lower the limit of house types per NewGRF from 256 to 255 to prevent usage of ID 0xFF in Action3, and thus allowing it to become an extended byte somewhen. 16:34:28 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25840 /trunk/src (airport.h newgrf.cpp) (2013-10-12 16:34:23 UTC) 16:34:29 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Use NUM_AIRPORTS_PER_GRF instead of NUM_AIRPORTS to properly distinguish limits per NewGRF and limits of the pool. 16:34:32 <SpComb> good things come in batches 16:34:54 <planetmaker> they sure do 16:35:01 <FLHerne> Oh, finally those NewObject patches got trunked :-) 16:35:07 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25841 /trunk/src (airport.h newgrf.cpp) (2013-10-12 16:34:59 UTC) 16:35:08 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Use NUM_AIRPORTTILES_PER_GRF instead of NUM_AIRPORTTILES to properly distinguish limits per NewGRF and limits of the pool. 16:35:09 <DorpsGek> -Change: [NewGRF] Lower the limit of airport tile types per NewGRF from 256 to 255 to prevent usage of ID 0xFF in Action3, and thus allowing it to become an extended byte somewhen. 16:35:20 *** DarkAce-Z [~BillyMays@50.107.53.200] has joined #openttd 16:35:23 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25842 trunk/src/newgrf.cpp (2013-10-12 16:35:18 UTC) 16:35:24 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Rename MAX_STATIONS to NUM_STATIONS_PER_GRF. 16:35:37 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25843 trunk/src/newgrf_station.cpp (2013-10-12 16:35:32 UTC) 16:35:38 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Rename MAX_SPECLIST to NUM_STATIONSSPECS_PER_STATION. 16:35:43 <LordAro> how long have you been saving these up frosch123? :) 16:35:55 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25844 /trunk (6 files in 3 dirs) (2013-10-12 16:35:50 UTC) 16:35:56 <DorpsGek> -Change: Increase maximum number of object instances on the map from 64k to about 16M. 16:36:30 <frosch123> LordAro: first two are from sbr, one month old 16:36:41 <frosch123> next 3 i wrote wednesday or so 16:36:42 <frosch123> rest today 16:37:05 <FLHerne> frosch123: I was wondering when those first ones would get in. Crashed me game :-( 16:37:15 <LordAro> nice :) 16:38:41 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/diffs/numstuff/99_debug.diff <- Eddi|zuHause: i am not going to commit that, but you may use it locally 16:38:52 <frosch123> don't use it near the map border though, or it will crash 16:39:21 <Eddi|zuHause> pff :p 16:39:43 *** DarkAceZ [~BillyMays@50.107.53.200] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:40:43 <Eddi|zuHause> needs an if(invalid tile) break; 16:41:01 <Eddi|zuHause> and some more magic for the other map border 16:41:21 <Eddi|zuHause> or, do it properly in the docommand :p 16:41:46 <LordAro> now, i think you should go and give cirdan some love - he's published his patch queue, and as far as i can see, at least the first 80ish are useful without implementing the rest 16:41:56 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host86-146-60-121.range86-146.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 16:43:27 <zydeco> btw, I submitted this a while ago http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5756?project=1&pagenum=2 16:43:30 <zydeco> how do patch reviews work? 16:44:16 <planetmaker> you do that quite alright. You post in the bug tracker and remind us :D 16:44:42 <zydeco> ah, I hadn't reminded anyone :P 16:45:00 <planetmaker> irc is the proper medium for review really 16:45:39 <frosch123> zydeco: any reason you use quarters instead of months? 16:45:49 <zydeco> it's what the update packet uses 16:45:54 <frosch123> ok 16:45:58 <frosch123> reason enough 16:47:48 <zydeco> I just copied the lines from ServerNetworkAdminSocketHandler::SendCompanyUpdate 16:48:36 <planetmaker> I wonder how clients react which implement the old packet format 16:48:49 <frosch123> LordAro: well, then separate those you think are useful 16:48:51 <Thurak> right, its not 1752... starting to wish i didnt have to wait 130 years till the next unlock 16:48:57 <Thurak> its now* 16:49:31 <planetmaker> Thurak, cheat the date 16:49:39 <zydeco> well, if the packet has more data than they expect, they should ignore it 16:49:42 <Thurak> ah guess i could 16:50:06 <planetmaker> Taede, http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5756/getfile/9376/admin_company_info.patch <-- would that work? 16:50:09 <zydeco> the packet already has its full size, so it won't get mixed up with the next 16:50:09 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:50:12 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 16:53:25 <dihedral> hello Zuu 16:53:31 <dihedral> i can do with your help :-) 16:54:19 <planetmaker> dihedral, you also know: http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5756/getfile/9376/admin_company_info.patch <-- would that be just fine with library and client?? 16:55:57 <dihedral> planetmaker, with an exception for the line only containing whitespaces :-P 16:56:26 <dihedral> i would like to compare it to the code already being used 16:56:28 <planetmaker> tehehe :-) 16:58:20 <dihedral> yes, it's fine 16:58:36 *** DarkAce-Z is now known as DarkAceZ 16:58:38 <dihedral> seeing as we did say we would not change the protocol, only append to the end of packets 16:58:55 <planetmaker> ^ ok, that's what I was worried about 16:59:21 <zydeco> yay 17:00:14 <Thurak> well the bright side of starting in 1700 is by the time i get my first trains ill have massive citys for t hem 17:00:31 <dihedral> i do not know why my json code is not being accepted, when i am using the example from zuu 17:01:15 <dihedral> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/gs-server/repository/entry/readme.txt 17:01:57 <zydeco> ooh that looks useful 17:03:20 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r25845 trunk/src/network/network_admin.cpp (2013-10-12 17:03:15 UTC) 17:03:21 <DorpsGek> -Add [FS#5756]: [Admin] Send info on bankruptcy quarters also in ADMIN_PACKET_SERVER_COMPANY_INFO (zydeco) 17:03:55 <dihedral> Thank you zydeco 17:03:57 <dihedral> and thank you pm 17:04:12 <planetmaker> thank you indeed 17:04:21 <planetmaker> both of you :-) 17:04:57 <dihedral> where is zuu when you need him :-( 17:05:52 <dihedral> does anybody here have experience with the adminport / gamscript json communication? 17:05:58 <frosch123> you 17:06:04 <planetmaker> :D 17:06:14 <zydeco> I was writing and admin tool, but didn't implement any of the json stuff because I didn't understand it 17:06:18 <planetmaker> Taede, might as well. And some others who hide :D 17:06:34 <zydeco> although now that I've seen that project, I'll look into it 17:07:20 <dihedral> zydeco, you like java? 17:07:43 <zydeco> no, but I use it sometimes 17:08:47 <dihedral> hmmmpf 17:09:00 <dihedral> i would not mind a helping hand with my bot :-P 17:11:16 <zydeco> what is it? 17:11:27 <dihedral> grapes 17:11:44 <dihedral> grapes.openttdcoop.org 17:12:03 <zydeco> oh, I've seen that before 17:12:34 <dihedral> it is modular, works with plugins as jar files 17:12:59 <LordAro> frosch123: i think i will :) 17:13:24 <LordAro> as far as i can tell, the first 241-ish patches are entirely unrelated to the map array changes 17:13:32 <LordAro> and some of them can be merged 17:13:54 <LordAro> what would be your preferred medium for a huge list of patches? 17:14:01 <LordAro> archived list? 17:14:08 <LordAro> archived folder, rather 17:14:21 <planetmaker> easiest is when patches can be reviewed directly using a browser, thus not archived 17:14:41 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 17:14:43 <planetmaker> maybe additionally for checking compilation / building / testing 17:15:18 <Alberth> I am sure someone can unpack them at a browsable location :) 17:15:52 <planetmaker> so maybe simply a repo with the patches added on top of eachother. Or a queue like http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/grid/ 17:16:00 <planetmaker> well, yes :-) 17:16:07 <planetmaker> but he asked for "preferred" :D 17:17:47 <zydeco> isn't the correct spelling "extension", not "extention"? 17:19:12 <dihedral> uh :-D 17:19:24 <dihedral> no wonder i always needed the ide to help me out :-D 17:19:38 <zydeco> heh 17:20:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i find evidence of both spellings in dictionaries 17:20:03 <planetmaker> http://hg.openttdcoop.org/pm-openttd <-- LordAro or like that ;-) 17:20:12 <planetmaker> same thing in green 17:20:22 <dihedral> Xaroth, did you not do some json stuff? 17:23:03 <LordAro> planetmaker: while it won't take too long, i think i'll get a functional patch queue first :) 17:23:39 <planetmaker> well, the latter is also a patch queue ;-) 17:24:22 <LordAro> :p 17:24:28 <zydeco> I'll take a look at grapes in the future 17:25:23 *** kero [~keikoz@202.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 17:27:54 <Thurak> right, i have 2 citys at 25k people each, they are close enough to each other they are starting to connect, if i set a rail station in the middle would it get passengers from both 17:29:18 <andythenorth> somewht 17:29:20 <andythenorth> somewhat * 17:29:22 <andythenorth> yes 17:29:23 <Thurak> pitty i wont have rails for another 100 years tho, by which time demolishing space will make them very mad 17:29:29 <andythenorth> it gets whatever is in the catchment 17:29:36 <andythenorth> you can station walk for bigger catchments 17:29:39 <Xaroth|Work> put down land claims? 17:29:44 <Thurak> land claims? 17:29:51 <planetmaker> buy land 17:29:57 <planetmaker> "u" 17:30:00 <dihedral> Xaroth|Work, do you have a little bit of experience regarding the json stuff? 17:30:09 <planetmaker> landscaping toolbar -> buy lands 17:30:10 <Xaroth|Work> dihedral: define "json stuff" ? 17:30:25 <dihedral> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2713/ 17:30:35 <dihedral> admin port to game script 17:30:45 <dihedral> aparently 'data' is empty 17:31:07 <dihedral> and i am using the examples Zuu provides in his readme.txt 17:31:15 <Xaroth|Work> that doesn't look like json 17:31:22 <dihedral> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=68828 17:31:31 <Xaroth|Work> '{action:ping,number:5}' should be '{"action":"ping","number":5}' 17:32:06 <planetmaker> oh... that sounds familiar from the stuff I use to talk to jenkins :D 17:32:24 <Xaroth|Work> and you can always try it with libottdadmin2 , it should work 17:32:32 <Xaroth|Work> as long as your json is properly formatted 17:32:55 <dihedral> i'll try that 17:33:43 <Thurak> do you have to buy land 1 tile at a time 17:33:44 <dihedral> thank you Xaroth|Work :-) 17:33:49 <Thurak> i cant seem to drag... 17:35:05 <Thurak> derp.. thats why, wrong tool 17:35:18 <planetmaker> yes, you can only buy it one by one 17:36:10 <Thurak> ok, i still had the wrong tool tho :P 17:41:07 <zydeco> I should release my ruby admin library too 17:41:10 <zydeco> lol 17:41:29 <Thurak> can airports be rotated 17:43:41 <planetmaker> no. yes, if you use the NewGRF OpenGFX+Airports 17:43:56 <planetmaker> Or any other airport NewGRF which supports it. Which afaik doesn't exist ;-) 17:44:44 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 17:44:49 <Thurak> ok 17:45:46 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25846 /trunk/src/lang (3 files) (2013-10-12 17:45:37 UTC) 17:45:47 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:48 <DorpsGek> english_US - 4 changes by Supercheese 17:45:49 <DorpsGek> greek - 31 changes by Evropi 17:45:50 <DorpsGek> spanish - 3 changes by Terkhen 17:57:49 *** Tom_Soft [~id@37.140.123.223] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:05:00 <frosch123> LordAro: no, don't do the whole queue 18:05:06 <frosch123> make batches of 10 or so 18:05:17 *** Thurak [~oftc-webi@87-194-20-232.bethere.co.uk] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:05:23 <LordAro> ? 18:05:26 <frosch123> that saves you from work, in case noone is interested in the result 18:05:44 <frosch123> and it also allows to give feedback in the middle, and change the process 18:06:12 <frosch123> if you make a queue of 500 patches, and then dump them for review, you have already lost 18:06:24 <frosch123> what if at patch 10 something shall be changed? 18:06:44 <frosch123> do small steps, that helps everyone 18:07:23 <planetmaker> we're not linux kernel hackers :D 18:07:51 <LordAro> well, i only (initially, i guess :p) will touch the first 240-ish patches in his queue 18:08:05 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.19.44.77] has quit [Quit: Looking for a new irc client? check www.adiirc.com for a new free, light, feature-rich and portable one.] 18:08:16 <planetmaker> does he have a repo? 18:08:19 <LordAro> but yes, i shall try to do something like that 18:08:26 <planetmaker> or is it all the zip'ed patch queues? 18:08:32 <LordAro> i have a feeling he does, but i can't find it linked anywhere 18:09:01 <planetmaker> ok, then it's not me :-) 18:09:25 <LordAro> i do seem to have a memory of exploring his git repo in a browser, but that could've been michi-cc's :p 18:17:51 <Zuu> dihedral: Hello, let me read back what you said :-) 18:18:36 <Snail> hi guys, has anyone had the chance to look into this yet? http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5775?project=1 18:19:11 <frosch123> nopd 18:19:14 <frosch123> *nope 18:19:19 <Zuu> dihedral: The JSON code in my readme.txt is actually not valid JSON. It use the Squirrel object syntax rather than correct JSON. 18:20:13 <planetmaker> that's evil, Zuu ;-) 18:21:48 <Zuu> I sort of assumed that you would use a JSON builder rather than writing the json string by hand. 18:22:16 <Zuu> dihedral: If you like, I can send you my test client for Joan 18:26:08 *** kero [~keikoz@202.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: kero] 18:31:03 <Snail> ok, that's something that affects my set as well 18:31:25 <frosch123> current response time on fs is around 2 months or so 18:31:47 <Snail> oh, ok 18:31:56 <frosch123> there are lke 68 tasks or so 18:32:08 <frosch123> plus patches 18:34:57 <LordAro> damn, i don't have anywhere to store these patches 18:35:07 <LordAro> at least, in an easily viewable form 18:35:30 <LordAro> recommended places, anyone? 18:35:44 <frosch123> disk full or what? :p 18:35:52 <Zuu> I have now updated the readme of ServerGS to use correct JSON that validates OK. 18:36:04 <LordAro> online place* :p 18:36:26 <LordAro> although, my website hosting thing seems to be complaining of a full disk, despite me only using ~30MB :L 18:36:40 <Alberth> too many files? :) 18:36:52 <LordAro> nope, just removed some stuff, with the same result :L 18:37:09 <LordAro> any other places you can recommend? :L 18:37:36 <frosch123> usually we just spam the devzone 18:37:45 <Alberth> if you make it a tgz or so, I can store it for you :) 18:38:26 <oskari89> LordAro: Put it on DevZone :) 18:38:40 <LordAro> how? (without a project) 18:38:46 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6DD55.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:39:19 <LordAro> all i need is a folder, nothing else 18:40:58 <planetmaker> LordAro, you got an ssh key? 18:41:08 <LordAro> umm 18:43:11 <LordAro> yes 18:43:13 <planetmaker> or... do you use dropbox? that could provide you with what you need 18:43:14 <LordAro> i do now :) 18:45:32 <LordAro> wait, i can use dropbox on linux? maybe i will try that 18:46:30 <planetmaker> works very well for me 18:46:39 <Zuu> zydeco: I started to collect admin port libraries/utilities here: https://secure.openttd.org/wiki/Server_admin_port 18:47:24 <zydeco> oh nice, I'l polish it a bit and put it somewhere eventually 18:47:26 <Zuu> Dropbox also has a browser interface. 18:47:40 <zydeco> I'll* 18:47:55 <planetmaker> dropbox needs on linux no browser interface. It integrates well with file browser 18:48:09 <planetmaker> at least on my debian7 18:49:30 <andythenorth> now what? 18:49:32 <andythenorth> more work? 18:49:34 * andythenorth thinks yes 18:49:45 <andythenorth> unless anybody wants to talk ponies :P 18:53:00 <LordAro> planetmaker, frosch123, others: right, with that in mind, see this link: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/dmj7ld3m2s6wryy/net05D2XY4 19:00:11 *** Lord_Aro [~LordAro@sns154-93.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 19:00:12 *** LordAro [~LordAro@sns154-93.york.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:00:44 *** Lord_Aro is now known as LordAro 19:06:46 *** Lord_Aro [~LordAro@sns154-93.york.ac.uk] has joined #openttd 19:06:46 *** LordAro [~LordAro@sns154-93.york.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:08:08 *** Lord_Aro is now known as LordAro 19:09:07 <LordAro> so, 2 graphics related restarts later, did anyone comment on my link? 19:09:20 <planetmaker> oi, ty, LordAro 19:17:26 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-167-47-91.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:31:44 <planetmaker> LordAro, I'd aggregate 001 with possibly more doxygen. I'm not exactly sure about how 003 compares to 005... they go basically different direction imho; I'd skip 3 19:32:32 <LordAro> 001 was intended to be extended, should more doxygen only stuff be 'found' 19:36:13 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 19:38:59 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-167-47-91.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 19:40:14 *** bon [~18c83e2f@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 19:40:18 <bon> hi 19:57:47 *** Chrill [Chrill@c83-253-81-174.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 20:03:53 *** djura-san [~djura-san@djura-san.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:04:43 <djura-san> howdy fellas 20:05:06 <planetmaker> ho 20:05:32 *** Chrill [Chrill@c83-253-81-174.bredband.comhem.se] has left #openttd [] 20:06:00 <bon> hi djura-san and planetmaker 20:06:07 <Taede> good evening 20:07:12 <frosch123> hmm, how did the old station gui look like? 20:07:24 <frosch123> it was a dropdown for the class, and then a list for the specs in the class, right? 20:09:12 <planetmaker> yes, scroll list right of class drop-down 20:09:22 <planetmaker> iirc... 20:09:28 <andythenorth> all I remember is the new one :) 20:09:36 <andythenorth> btw, we should fix the company colour gui 20:09:41 <frosch123> hmm, i need some advice 20:09:49 <frosch123> i think the category system for stations and objects is crap 20:09:49 <andythenorth> it's (a) bonkers (b) I can never use it © my toddler can never use it 20:09:53 <andythenorth> +1 20:09:58 <frosch123> so i want to add a text filter to it 20:09:58 <andythenorth> but why? 20:10:01 <andythenorth> why crap? 20:10:17 <frosch123> but only filtering and still keeping the classes is weird 20:10:18 <planetmaker> authors don't properly use it ;-) 20:10:31 <frosch123> so, in wonder whether to show all filter results on a single page, ignoreing the class 20:10:34 <planetmaker> though classes work rather well with stations 20:10:51 <frosch123> or whether to add an "all classes" item to the top of the list 20:11:05 <frosch123> or whether to allow multi-select with ctrl and a "select all" button 20:11:11 <planetmaker> yes 20:11:29 <frosch123> basically i would like to type "steel" in the box, and then pick from the pictures 20:11:37 <andythenorth> hmm 20:11:44 <andythenorth> what would feed the filter results? 20:11:50 <frosch123> all those "chips tiles" and "dwe tiles" are just nonsense 20:11:50 <andythenorth> what's the schema? 20:11:57 <frosch123> i do not care what grf author is proud of them 20:11:59 <planetmaker> frosch123, it makes sense to ctrl-select several classes 20:12:04 <andythenorth> I am +1 that it's nonsense :) 20:12:04 <frosch123> they are pointless 20:12:06 <andythenorth> I hate that crap 20:12:12 <andythenorth> I only have two categories :P 20:12:13 <planetmaker> with buttons for 'all' and 'none' :-) 20:12:53 <frosch123> i also wondered about adding a "<<" button, to shift the list out of the window, and never use it 20:13:00 <frosch123> but i am not sure what to put in the remaining space 20:13:05 <frosch123> it would kind of end up empty 20:13:09 <frosch123> which is also pointless :p 20:26:45 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [Konversation terminated!] 20:29:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-167-47-91.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:29:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-167-47-91.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:47:01 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:51:01 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 20:57:49 <djura-san> 10y more and i will get magliev. i wonder what is it 20:58:22 *** roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.88.137] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:03:06 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-167-47-91.range86-167.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:11:41 <Taede> does rcon save save the game in the working directory (as shown by pwd) or in the save/ directory? 21:12:43 <Taede> in the first case, is there a way to tell it to save in the save/ directory without having knowledge of the directory structure? 21:12:53 <frosch123> try it? 21:18:20 <djura-san> oh, this magliev looks nice. 21:19:14 <djura-san> but they are not reliable at all. only 55° :\ 21:19:20 <djura-san> *55% 21:20:04 <Taede> ooh, handy, rcon save ignores pwd 21:20:46 <planetmaker> yes. But uses one, if you use a filename different from 'game.sav' 21:20:53 <planetmaker> i.e. with parameter you need the pwd 21:21:06 <Taede> but its relative to save/ 21:21:08 <planetmaker> or so I believe from our usage of ap+ 21:21:16 <Taede> eg autosave/blub will always save in the autosave directory 21:21:38 <planetmaker> oh... pwd. not rcon password 21:29:30 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:34:58 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 21:37:05 <djura-san> what is the purpose of HQ? Will it grow larger or will it look like a farm forever? 21:37:31 <Taede> it grows 21:37:52 <Taede> mainly its eyecandy 21:37:58 <Supercheese> it also generates a few passengers, IIRC 21:38:05 <Taede> but it can be used to get a small town to accept passengers/mail 21:38:05 <Supercheese> and maybe also accepts passengers 21:39:21 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.19.44.77] has joined #openttd 21:39:23 <djura-san> i see. so it is a good thing to put it somewhere near the rail (since i only use 2 tracks across whole map) 21:39:26 <djura-san> ? 21:40:15 <Taede> put it anywhere it will look prety, unless you have need of it in a small town 21:40:41 <frosch123> hmm, most of the times ottd on yt is weird 21:40:57 <Taede> i would personally not put it too near rails, as it may be in the way if/when you expand said railway 21:40:58 <frosch123> ottd is so complicated to play :p 21:41:05 <frosch123> i have no idea how i ever learned it 21:41:38 <djura-san> i have 2 towns. One is pretty small (for >100y it got about 300 new citizens) and other one is biger and it grew from 1200 to 5200 21:42:03 <djura-san> so i'm stuck here. I wanted to build 2 banks too but the prices are skyrocketing (10mil ⬠per bank) 21:42:47 <Supercheese> welcome to inflation 21:43:20 <frosch123> yeah, why do banks cost money? 21:43:29 <frosch123> aren't they about getting money from other people? 21:43:44 <Taede> you have to spend money to earn money 21:43:48 <bon> blame VISA ;) 21:44:03 <djura-san> :) 21:46:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1912D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:57:26 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.201.109.240] has joined #openttd 22:01:12 <frosch123> night 22:01:15 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f6553.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:01:26 <DorpsGek> Commit by zuu :: r25847 trunk/src/landscape.cpp (2013-10-12 22:01:21 UTC) 22:01:27 <DorpsGek> -Fix: Comment for GetFoundationSlope was wrong (cirdan, LordAro) 22:03:19 <DorpsGek> Commit by zuu :: r25848 /trunk/src (4 files) (2013-10-12 22:03:13 UTC) 22:03:20 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Refactor check for if a tile is not an edge tile to new IsInnerTile method (cirdan, LordAro) 22:03:40 <Supercheese> commit storm today, whew 22:04:00 <LordAro> few more incoming ;) 22:04:01 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.109.240] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:07:26 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 22:08:04 <DorpsGek> Commit by zuu :: r25849 /trunk/src (11 files in 2 dirs) (2013-10-12 22:07:58 UTC) 22:08:05 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Introduce IsTileFlat to not compute full slope information for situations when we only want to know if a tile is flat or not (cirdan, LordAro) 22:11:53 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:15:11 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [] 22:17:17 <DorpsGek> Commit by zuu :: r25850 trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp (2013-10-12 22:17:11 UTC) 22:17:18 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Merge IsBadFarmFieldTile and IsValidFarmFieldTile into IsSuitableForFarmField (cirdan, LordAro) 22:17:18 *** germanoa_ [~germanoak@ppp79-139-253-97.pppoe.spdop.ru] has joined #openttd 22:17:34 *** GermanOak [~smuxi@ppp79-139-253-97.pppoe.spdop.ru] has joined #openttd 22:17:59 *** germanoa_ is now known as germanoak08 22:18:18 <GermanOak> Hi 22:19:16 *** GermanOak [~smuxi@ppp79-139-253-97.pppoe.spdop.ru] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:23 *** germanoak08 [~germanoak@ppp79-139-253-97.pppoe.spdop.ru] has quit [] 22:19:31 <LordAro> bye 22:21:27 <DorpsGek> Commit by zuu :: r25851 trunk/src/clear_cmd.cpp (2013-10-12 22:21:21 UTC) 22:21:28 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Avoid recalculations in DrawClearLandFence (cirdan, LordAro) 22:23:49 <DorpsGek> Commit by zuu :: r25852 /trunk/src (4 files in 2 dirs) (2013-10-12 22:23:43 UTC) 22:23:50 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Merge GetFenceXX/SetFenceXX into one common GetFonce/SetFence for all directions that take an extra direction parameter (cirdan, LordAro) 22:24:27 <LordAro> GetFonce :p 22:24:51 <Zuu> Sorry for the typo 22:24:53 <Zuu> :-) 22:28:44 <DorpsGek> Commit by zuu :: r25853 trunk/src/industry_cmd.cpp (2013-10-12 22:28:38 UTC) 22:28:45 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Simplify SetupFarmFieldFence by replacing the Axis and north parameter with a direction parameter and taking adventage of the new unified SetFence function (cirdan, LordAro) 22:36:20 <Wolf01> 'night 22:36:25 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:38:05 *** djura-san [~djura-san@djura-san.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: nighty night] 22:44:08 *** pasky [~pasky@nikam.ms.mff.cuni.cz] has joined #openttd 22:45:00 <pasky> Hi! My Openttd (1.3.2) does not offer the "Replace vehicles" action. Any idea where is it gone or how to enable it? 22:45:24 <DorpsGek> Commit by zuu :: r25854 /trunk/src (rail_gui.cpp road_gui.cpp) (2013-10-12 22:45:19 UTC) 22:45:25 <DorpsGek> -Change: Display the cost to upgrade a bridge at the end of bridge that was clicked and not the other end, which could be outside of the screen in some cases (cirdan, LordAro) 22:52:48 <Zuu> pasky: Open list of all (for example) trains, in the bottom of the list click on the "v" button (arrow) which pulls down a list where you find the option to replace vehicles. 22:56:51 *** FLHerne [~FLHerne@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has left #openttd [Konversation terminated!] 22:59:44 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:00:28 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.127.74] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:01:20 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-24-105-140-5.nyc.biz.rr.com] has quit [Quit: supermop] 23:05:08 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:07:08 *** Zuu [~Zuu@gateway.sdr.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:16:29 *** zydeco [~zydeco@24.75.18.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Miscellaneous hardware exception error] 23:35:24 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6B618.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 23:51:03 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:52:54 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd