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Log for #openttd on 14th October 2013:
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05:02:33  <dihedral> good morning
05:04:05  <Japa__> Good morning
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05:08:09  <Supercheese> How to translate "monorail" and "maglev" into latin... hmm
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05:45:23  <Supercheese> Latin translation ≈10% complete
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07:52:15  <planetmaker> moin
07:55:04  <ChoHag> Non-stop you say? Bus stop in front of me is there? Well I'll just go round it.
07:55:12  <ChoHag> Bus drivers, cunts real or virtual.
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08:06:28  <LordAro> bus stops have a large pathfinder penalty
08:06:53  <LordAro> you'll want to set it to 'go via' if you actually want the bus to go through the bus stop
08:07:00  <LordAro> hmm, maybe 'go via (non-stop)'
08:07:01  <LordAro> not sure
08:11:01  <V453000> non-stop is for the other stations it pases through
08:19:15  <ChoHag> I want it to stop at the bus stops without having to click on every single one.
08:28:11  <V453000> then make an order without non-stop
08:28:21  <V453000> but yeah they wont go there if possible
08:28:41  <V453000> or - you would have to make 1way/closed roads in a manner so that the only escape path is through the stations
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08:37:36  <MNIM> supercheese: well, latin already has names for magnetism and levitation, coincidentally enough quite similar to the english words.
08:37:38  <MNIM> http://latin-dictionary.net/search/english/magnet
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09:15:10  <zydeco> greetings, comrades
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10:03:35  <XaTriX> hi'
10:04:16  <XaTriX> u know how to resolve LNK4009 errors on compilation ? (here vs2012, win8, set release x64, set library etc)
10:04:31  <XaTriX> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=68878&p=1100154#p1100154 errors : http://pastebin.com/Dgu94bsf
10:04:39  <XaTriX> i got an exe but it crash
10:05:05  <XaTriX> oh there .dev channel, sorry =D
10:05:27  <XaTriX> can i get voice on .dev channel plz ? :)
10:09:49  <planetmaker> this channel is fine
10:10:08  <planetmaker> .dev is for code reviews
10:10:16  <XaTriX> oh ok
10:10:36  <XaTriX> i solve the crash
10:10:45  <XaTriX> but how to solve lnk4009 ?
10:12:00  <planetmaker> Looks to me like you're missing some part of the ICU library. Or have a wrong version of it.
10:12:49  <planetmaker> or you're compiling on an OS where such ICU is not available / supported. E.g very old windows or osx on powerPC
10:13:09  <planetmaker> but I don't know windows and it's linker failure codes
10:14:17  <planetmaker> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/b7whw3f3.aspx
10:15:14  <planetmaker> but then, yours is only a warning, not an error. So... should work
10:16:12  <planetmaker> solve it by installing the development version of the icu library which contains the debug symbols
10:16:41  <XaTriX> may be some part of the project is still in debug
10:16:43  <XaTriX> i'll check that
10:17:02  <XaTriX> it work when deleting old openttd.cfg =D
10:19:05  <planetmaker> makes no sense. and a crash usually comes with the crash.log .dmp .sav and .png files
10:19:21  <planetmaker> so looking at those should shed light on the crash much more than linker *warnings*
10:25:27  <XaTriX> yeah i got crash log
10:25:40  <XaTriX> i think it comes from aa blitter on old cfg
10:27:10  <XaTriX> Crash reason: Exception: C0000005 Location:  000007F6AF7DEEB4 Message:   <none>
10:32:15  <XaTriX> it crashed when i set "Calibri" on fonts :D
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12:38:41  <LordAro> are tuples used in actual python code? or do people normally just use lists?
12:39:28  <zydeco> I wondered the same thing when I used python
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12:42:42  <LordAro> /o Zuu
12:43:35  <Zuu> Hello LordAro
12:43:50  <Zuu> Have you got some sleep by now? :-)
12:43:57  <LordAro> yup :)
12:44:05  <LordAro> i woke up in time for my lecture, too :)
12:44:29  <Eddi|zuHause> i'm imagining tuples have some speed optimisations that lists don't
12:45:03  <LordAro> possibly, but if you're using python, speed isn't your major concern, right?
12:45:37  <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't mean it's ignored
12:48:16  <Zuu> Also sane speed via sane computation complexity is often very powerful.
12:49:12  <Zuu> Even if you got native code, if your algorithm is crap, execution speed will be hurt if your algorithm is bad.
12:49:22  <Zuu> (and you got lots of data)
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13:04:25  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, like a newgrf that has more than 10000 lines :p
13:05:17  <V453000> which newgrf would have that many lines, the author would ahve to be stupid or insane
13:05:43  <Eddi|zuHause> sure :p
13:08:04  <Eddi|zuHause> besides, 10k LOC isn't that much
13:09:07  <V453000> I absolutely agree!
13:09:38  <Eddi|zuHause> CETS has about 3k LOC (in .py and .pnml files)
13:10:11  <V453000> well yeah but that is wtf
13:10:12  <V453000> . :)
13:10:21  <Eddi|zuHause> and ~1k in the engine table
13:11:10  <V453000> around 60k lines of code for nuts
13:11:32  <Eddi|zuHause> which results in 401049 lines in the nfo
13:11:42  <V453000> WITHOUT any python or other wtf :D
13:11:48  <V453000> XD well nfo...
13:12:26  <V453000> is nfo roughly the same amount of lines as nml would use?
13:12:30  <V453000> just for comparison
13:12:38  <Eddi|zuHause> well, i have 1281693 lines in intermediate nml, but that's looots of redundancy because the headers are repeated there
13:12:48  <V453000> ._.
13:12:58  <Eddi|zuHause> so that'S not a fair comparison
13:13:12  <V453000> looks just slightly holy shit
13:13:14  <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, in earlier times nfo and nml had around the same lines
13:13:22  <V453000> y
13:13:30  <V453000> & later times? :)
13:17:23  <Eddi|zuHause> 341021 in pure nml
13:17:37  <V453000> cute XD
13:17:45  <V453000> how many sprites btw?
13:17:56  <V453000> if there would be the wtfmany views (24?)
13:18:08  <V453000> if if if
13:18:21  <V453000> 566489789999908456777 + 2 ?
13:18:22  <Eddi|zuHause> the sprites are sliced up and all
13:18:30  <V453000> ._.
13:18:32  <V453000> sliced up?
13:18:45  <Eddi|zuHause> 3 vehicle parts
13:18:55  <Eddi|zuHause> so they won't glitch in tunnels
13:19:06  <V453000> oh, nice idea
13:19:12  <V453000> articulating, or how is that done?
13:19:51  <Eddi|zuHause> so i have 3*8 for the "whole" view, then 3*8 for the "sliced" views, and 8 for GUI use
13:20:02  <Eddi|zuHause> per vehicle
13:20:07  <Eddi|zuHause> per livery
13:20:21  <V453000> + wagons
13:20:34  <V453000> nuts wagons are the hugest part of all
13:20:35  <roboboy> gnight peoples
13:20:37  <Eddi|zuHause> but all that is done automatically, you have only the 24 images in the template
13:20:52  <V453000> well yeah but people dont draw oh so automatically :P unless voxels
13:21:07  <Eddi|zuHause> cubicles!! :p
13:21:24  <V453000> or that, idk which it was
13:21:41  <Eddi|zuHause> don't use that, it's an in-joke :p
13:22:20  <V453000> obviously, I know, I was here when the idiot was presenting his top notch technology idea
13:22:39  <V453000> I just forgot if it was called cubicles or voxels
13:22:41  <V453000> or wat
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13:57:47  <ChoHag> My daughter's first computer has 2 things (that she can use): A calculator and openttd.
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14:01:37  <peter1138> How old is she?
14:02:34  <V453000> doesnt matter, its openttd
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14:25:10  <ChoHag> 2.
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14:26:37  <V453000> that is the perfect age to start with openttd
14:27:06  <ChoHag> She can work out what's on the screen, and she can scroll and zoom.
14:27:43  <ChoHag> As in, she can spot trains, buses, tracks, trees. etc.
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14:58:14  <DanMacK> Hey all
14:58:25  <Taede> ello
15:00:00  <zydeco> greetings
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15:43:51  <Eddi|zuHause> and what's the calculator for then? :p
15:45:06  <MNIM> calculating pocket allowances, duhhh.
15:48:53  <peter1138> Alright.
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16:30:02  <Wolf01> hello
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16:32:48  <andythenorth> why is there no-one to blame?
16:32:56  <andythenorth> but I want someone to blame
16:32:59  <Wolf01> blame Sacro
16:33:43  <andythenorth> ok
16:34:15  <DanMacK> hey Andy
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16:46:14  <frosch123> DanMacK: you are scaring him
16:46:45  <DanMacK> lmao
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18:03:20  <frosch123> someone know what roboboy means with "bmp" ?
18:03:29  <frosch123> or is it just a really messed up spelling of "nml" ?
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18:05:39  <planetmaker> no clue
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18:40:25  <carpii> could i get voice in openttd.dev plz?
18:40:37  <peter1138> Just talk in here
18:40:47  <carpii> ok
18:40:57  <peter1138> Nah, ignore me. I just don't see the point of it :p
18:41:01  <carpii> i got openttd compiling on mac, was just looking for the simplest way to enable DEBUG output
18:41:18  <carpii> ah :p
18:41:22  <peter1138> ./configure --enable-debug or something
18:41:29  <peter1138> or not
18:41:30  <peter1138> no
18:41:47  <carpii> ah.. yes
18:41:59  <carpii> thanks. i was looking elsewhere
18:42:10  <peter1138> just ./openttd -d 255
18:42:19  <peter1138> or whatever level, or whatever feature.
18:42:33  <peter1138> Debug output is always enabled, heh
18:42:44  <carpii> 255 is a bitmask, or just a integer scale?
18:42:57  <peter1138> integer
18:43:00  <carpii> ok thanks
18:43:10  <peter1138> iirc 10 is the highest used
18:43:13  <peter1138> or even less
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19:00:27  <Alberth> oin
19:00:34  <Alberth> +m
19:01:24  <LordAro> /o
19:03:17  <SpComb> -m
19:03:25  <Xaroth|Work> -e 's/mo/h/' -e 's/n//'
19:06:19  <Taede> Xaroth|Work: theres a pr open on loa2-github (granted its a minor change)
19:06:26  <andythenorth> one day
19:06:30  <andythenorth> everyone will stop smoking crack
19:06:49  <carpii> but that day is not today
19:06:55  <andythenorth> no
19:07:01  <Taede> how can those that have never started, stop?
19:07:12  <andythenorth> this is indeed a problem
19:07:14  <carpii> youd need to start
19:08:10  <andythenorth> specifically, one day 'web developers' will accept that inline styles are ok
19:11:38  <Alberth> chances are that may happen before the world gives up crack
19:12:48  <andythenorth> I don't think so
19:12:53  <planetmaker> moin
19:12:53  <andythenorth> too many blog posts got written
19:12:58  <andythenorth> too many stack overflow
19:13:05  <andythenorth> too many mailing list flames
19:13:10  <andythenorth> the world can never go back now :(
19:13:22  <Alberth> :(
19:13:33  <Alberth> let's throw away the www
19:13:36  <SpComb> just say No to inline styles
19:14:18  <andythenorth> winners don't do inline styles
19:15:09  <SpComb> ..except when it's javascript setting them dynamically
19:15:22  <SpComb> although even then you could just be using classes instead
19:15:46  * andythenorth just invented a system where javascript sets stuff dynamically
19:16:17  <andythenorth> for $each.foo, get a data attr, containing keywords, like 'padding-top=15px'
19:16:18  <andythenorth> etc
19:16:29  <andythenorth> absolutely in no way inline styles
19:16:36  <andythenorth> so completely allowed
19:16:58  <andythenorth> could be the way forward
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19:17:16  <andythenorth> "but inline styles aren't semantic!"
19:17:28  <andythenorth> "they pollute your markup"
19:17:34  <Alberth> they have no meaning?
19:17:35  <andythenorth> "they add page load time"
19:17:41  <andythenorth> "they aren't maintainable"
19:18:01  * andythenorth is ranting
19:18:17  * andythenorth is the proud owner and maintainer of a stylesheet > 5000 lines long
19:18:22  <andythenorth> it doesn't even lint properly
19:18:28  <Alberth> It's alright andy, here have a cup of calming tea
19:18:42  <andythenorth> thanks
19:19:13  <carpii> at what point do advanced settings get saved (client ones, not in save file)
19:19:54  <Alberth> on exit of the program, I think
19:20:00  <carpii> ok thanks
19:20:08  <carpii> that explains a thing or two :)
19:21:13  <zydeco> you can get unexpected results when you have several instances open
19:21:59  <carpii> it was just because I was saving game, then CTRL-C from console :)
19:22:07  <carpii> assuming they get saved alongside the save game (but not in it)
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19:33:02  <DanMacK> Hey all
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19:36:12  <Alberth> hi hi
19:50:10  <andythenorth> hmm
19:50:16  <andythenorth> mac finder is using 260% of CPU
19:50:19  <andythenorth> it's quite noisy here
19:50:26  <andythenorth> and my battery is going down insanely fast :P
19:51:06  <Rubidium> Houston, we got a problem
19:51:16  <Rubidium> ... oh... sorry, Houston is offline right now
19:52:06  <andythenorth> a view called 'all my files' is obviously a fricking stupid idea in a file browser :x
19:55:22  <frosch123> i think your mac is right in front of you
19:55:26  <frosch123> no need to search
19:55:49  <andythenorth> ta
19:55:51  <andythenorth> found it
19:55:59  <frosch123> yw
19:56:57  <carpii> Finder blows :p
19:57:11  <carpii> you might like PathFinder. Its awesome once configured
19:57:39  <frosch123> while there are also older guys around the pathfinders
19:57:44  <frosch123> you usually only join when young
19:58:27  <carpii> hrm?
19:58:52  <carpii> pathfinder osx app, not openttd pathfinders :)
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20:19:08  <Xaroth|Work> Taede: working on it now
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20:21:11  <Taede> adding the same import check to the other binfiles too?
20:23:59  <supermop> i haven't had any motivation to draw anything for about a year....
20:24:18  <V453000> then you either drink too much, or not enough
20:24:24  <V453000> probably not enough (tm)
20:24:55  <supermop> haha
20:25:21  <supermop> not sure if i want to draw rails or houses or stations
20:25:33  <supermop> but i cant get as far as even opening photoshop!
20:25:35  <V453000> probably animals
20:26:10  <supermop> 4x zoom elephants as RVs
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20:26:19  <supermop> capacity: 1 elephant
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20:27:34  <Tanguy> Hello.
20:27:49  <Tanguy> Just found out: *Airtaxi* planes. :-D
20:30:10  <Xaroth|Work> anybody remember what packet was changed yesterday? :o
20:30:44  <Xaroth|Work> ah, found it
20:38:50  <carpii> is there a reason statusbar text is hardcoded to light blue, as opposed to say, livery color?
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20:39:23  <Xaroth|Work> Taede: actually, that's not a typo
20:40:14  <Alberth> carpii: grey is so hard to read on a grey statusbar?
20:40:33  <carpii> well thats true :)
20:40:36  <carpii> but so is light blue
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20:45:40  <Alberth> it's not important anyway, or you'd make it a full message :p
20:47:21  <carpii> i hardcoded it to yellow :p
20:47:47  <carpii> i was just wondering is all
20:49:53  <Taede> so it isnt, i just got thrown off by as ex, then e on the next line
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20:54:37  <Xaroth|Work> :)
20:54:46  <Xaroth|Work> i fixed it for clarity
20:54:57  <Xaroth|Work> and some other minor fixes
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20:57:42  <Taede> :)
20:58:19  <Taede> clarity is good
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23:01:17  <Wolf01> 'night
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