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The game didn't reloaded it and I just notice now. 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(or 84-1) 19:44:16 <Taede> supply_boost_quad = constant? 19:44:23 <Taede> if so, change > to => ? 19:44:52 <andythenorth> is that a comparison operator, or is this bit shifting? 19:44:58 <andythenorth> I can't read this code :) 19:45:01 <kero> oh, I'm not the only one not understanding this code ? :) 19:45:18 <kero> (i'm the keoz of the report) 19:45:23 <andythenorth> I wanted to refactor it a long time ago to use the production multiplier, but I can't understand it 19:45:35 <Taede> ive never read pnml before, but it seems to be an inline-if 19:46:00 <andythenorth> if it used production multiplier then in theory game scripts could manipulate production independently of newgrf (they have no ability to this, but the theory is nice) 19:47:49 <Alberth> good point Taede, the two > at line 24 may be changeable to >= to fix the problem 19:48:35 <Taede> if >= quad then store 3, if >= double then store 1, else store 0, thats how i read that line 19:48:42 <Taede> well, > 19:49:29 <andythenorth> someone try it and compile? 19:49:35 <andythenorth> compiling takes 4 mins :) 19:50:04 * Taede will leave that to someone who has newgrf compiling set up 19:52:18 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:54:48 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@89.246.181.11] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:55:36 <kero> I'd be willing to try, but i'll need to install all the weird dependencies 19:57:16 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:58:37 *** roadt_ [~roadt@36.7.147.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:59:15 <Alberth> it has weird dependencies? :o 19:59:44 <kero> just a little :) 19:59:54 <kero> I'm watching at it 20:05:09 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 20:14:59 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 20:15:21 <alluke> there seems to be a bug in ecs vectors 20:15:53 <alluke> coal mines decrease all time even if theres continuous demand 20:16:11 <Supercheese> you may have to feed the mines some supplies or whatnot 20:16:21 <Supercheese> even in ECS 20:16:38 <alluke> other industries can keep the 100% without supplies 20:17:14 <alluke> cheated two coal mines to 100 and theyve dropped to 76 now 20:21:28 <Alberth> do shorter trains work? 20:21:42 <kero> mmh, nml wants PIL, but on my system there already is Python-Pillow (a fork), both are in conflict. Would nml use pillow ? 20:22:23 <planetmaker> evening 20:22:30 <kero> hi planetmaker 20:22:31 <alluke> why would theymy coal trains carry 1288-1344 tons at once 20:22:59 <__ln__> tons or tonnes 20:23:23 <alluke> whats the difference 20:23:24 <Alberth> kero: yes 20:23:32 <Alberth> hi planetmaker 20:24:02 <Supercheese> Well, tonnes must be larger, it has more letters :P 20:24:11 <kero> Alberth : thanks 20:24:29 <Alberth> Pillow is supposed to be a drop-in for PIL 20:26:58 <Alberth> alluke: shorter trains -> more visits -> higher station rating -> happy industry 20:27:31 <alluke> now that doesnt make any sense 20:27:53 <alluke> i prefer bigger and fewer trains because less trains 20:28:07 <Alberth> ever read the game mechanics wiki page? 20:28:40 <kero> mmh and nml wants setuptools, but the setuptools in Arch repositories doesnt support python 3 ... 20:28:47 <alluke> nope 20:28:59 <kero> Ok, this is becoming boring. I'll try another time. 20:29:00 <alluke> but thats the most stupid feature ive heard for a while 20:29:05 <alluke> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1004368/N%C3%A4ytt%C3%B6kuva%202013-10-25%20kohteessa%2022.36.55.png 20:29:13 <alluke> megatrains ftw 20:29:13 <Alberth> kero: nml is Pythno2 20:29:27 <kero> python setup.py install 20:29:27 <kero> WARNING: Sorry, python 3.0 or later is not yet supported. Some parts may not work. 20:29:46 <Alberth> and it will run without actual install 20:30:34 <kero> mmh. All of this is quite cryptic 20:31:16 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 20:31:34 <Supercheese> Seems like you have low station ratings, despite trains always loading 20:31:38 <Taede> try python2 setup.py install? 20:31:53 <Taede> so that itll use python 2.x provided its installed 20:32:10 <alluke> idiotic feature 20:32:34 <kero> python 2 is installed, as is python 3 20:32:40 <alluke> that station is rated 68% 20:33:34 <kero> Taede : i have still the same error : "ImportError: No module named setuptools" 20:33:52 *** tparker [~tparker@flux.trevorparker.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:34:01 *** tparker [~tparker@flux.trevorparker.com] has joined #openttd 20:35:01 <Supercheese> ECS wants ratings higher than 68% for max production 20:35:01 <andythenorth> urgh 20:35:04 <andythenorth> setuptools 20:35:34 <Alberth> just run it uninstalled :) 20:35:37 <Supercheese> http://www.tt-wiki.net/wiki/ECS_Basic_Vector_II._Coal_Mine 20:36:02 <kero> Alberth : ok, I'll try. 20:36:17 <kero> Anyway, I dont like installing as root not repositories-material 20:36:20 <andythenorth> one day I'll write down a bomb-proof way to get nml 20:36:25 <andythenorth> kero: same here 20:36:35 <Supercheese> My first time trying to install nml dependencies was a disaster too 20:36:40 <andythenorth> it's a cluster fuck :) 20:36:43 <kero> lo 20:36:44 <Supercheese> I eventually got it working 20:36:48 <kero> +l 20:36:58 <Alberth> kero I have a soft-link from my ~/bin to the nml main program 20:37:12 <andythenorth> most python packaging is a cluster fuck 20:37:18 <kero> ok, now let's go for chameleon/markdown (? :/) 20:37:26 <andythenorth> once setuptools is fixed / replaced (which is happening) life gets better 20:37:28 <planetmaker> apt-get install python-markdown 20:37:36 <planetmaker> apt-get install python-chameleon 20:37:40 <planetmaker> in my case 20:37:50 <Alberth> oh, firs source code :D 20:37:52 <andythenorth> everyone has their own methods :) 20:38:03 <kero> Alberth : what is it the main ? just nmlc ? 20:38:06 <Supercheese> smells like linux 20:38:09 <kero> oh yes. nml compiler 20:38:23 <planetmaker> yes. just nmlc in binary path suffices 20:38:31 <kero> planetmaker : i have mardown but not chameleon on Arch 20:38:45 <andythenorth> I don't want to throw in confusing advice, but I now do zero python without a virtualenv. ymmv. just saying 20:40:16 <kero> mmh for markdown: do I need the python implementation ? 20:40:27 <Alberth> frosch123: eints update reverted my plural form changes on coratian and brazilian in firs 20:40:32 <kero> community/python2-markdown 2.3.1-2 20:40:44 <planetmaker> ^ sounds about right 20:40:50 <kero> let's go 20:41:03 <planetmaker> and indeed. I'd welcome an addition which allows an easy install of nmlc 20:41:10 <planetmaker> current procedure is rather painful 20:43:22 <Alberth> more immediate problem might be dropping of python2 20:43:24 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:43:32 <andythenorth> planetmaker: I tried before, but it got mired 20:43:42 <andythenorth> there are a few fundamental blockers :) 20:44:08 <planetmaker> how immediate is that, Alberth ? 20:44:23 <andythenorth> (1) the only solution I know of is Buildout (there are others). Buildout is... strange 20:44:32 <andythenorth> (2) there was disagreement about the purpose and aims :P 20:45:30 <planetmaker> well. I pondered about that some time ago. The conclusion I arrived at basically is: options are so many, that it probably is best to support one or two ways to properly install it. Buildout maybe. And maybe another... not sure which 20:45:58 <V453000> do I just put this like randomly anywhere, or? :D sort(<feature>, [<ID>, <ID>, <ID>...]); 20:46:20 <andythenorth> I think last conversation went something like: 20:46:28 <andythenorth> - only andythenorth wants a single simple install 20:46:43 <andythenorth> - everyone else installs system-wide using ${magic linux package managers} 20:46:50 <andythenorth> - there is a windows binary for luser 20:46:54 <andythenorth> lusers * 20:46:57 <planetmaker> :-) 20:47:06 <planetmaker> yes, that's some time ago 20:47:08 <Alberth> lies, I don't install at all :p 20:47:30 <planetmaker> But as we want to offer people possibly an easy way to "install" also nightlies, it might be good to make that easy 20:47:36 <planetmaker> and nightlies are not in linux packages 20:48:13 <andythenorth> http://www.buildout.org/en/latest/ 20:49:27 <andythenorth> example buildout .cfg http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2743/ 20:49:33 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 20:49:34 <andythenorth> installs node.js and other non-python crap too 20:49:34 <alluke> imho stations should be rated via how much stuff gets moved to the vehicles 20:49:52 <alluke> if the stuff gets piled up on to the station you should get worse ratings 20:50:15 <planetmaker> setuptools probably is the other option which might be handy 20:51:37 <alluke> because carrying big loads at once is more economical 20:51:42 <kero> andythenorth : to compile FIRS, a simple "make" should be enough ? 20:51:49 <planetmaker> yes 20:51:54 <andythenorth> if you have the deps yes 20:51:56 <planetmaker> the result should be a tar file 20:52:02 <planetmaker> (and a grf file, too) 20:52:08 <kero> I'm getting this: http://pastebin.com/rLEsey2s 20:52:12 <planetmaker> but tar with everything for easier distribution 20:52:22 <kero> on which dependency i'm wrong ? :o 20:52:27 <planetmaker> o_O 20:52:40 <frosch123> alluke: what was reverted? 20:52:48 <frosch123> committed? in eints? 20:53:00 <alluke> nothing 20:53:07 <frosch123> Alberth: 20:53:11 <frosch123> sorry alluke :) 20:53:35 <planetmaker> kero, can you run make _V= and paste output? 20:53:59 <Alberth> planetmaker: http://docs.python.org/2/whatsnew/2.7.html says "longer than the usual 2 years", which started counting in July 2010 20:54:21 <planetmaker> hm :-) Not too long anymore 20:54:24 <kero> planetmaker : http://pastebin.com/QJK1sdJD 20:55:01 <V453000> guys how do I use the vehicle sorting? like where do I put this sort(<feature>, [<ID>, <ID>, <ID>...]); 20:55:12 <planetmaker> I do believe so, V453000 20:55:18 <kero> mmh, can it come from the fact that I have python 2 and 3, and it may be confused ? 20:55:22 <planetmaker> just anywhere 20:55:32 <V453000> thats wtf :D but lets try 20:55:43 <V453000> and I use numeric or string IDs? 20:55:48 <planetmaker> hm, maybe, what's your default python, kero ? 20:55:49 <frosch123> at the end, after you defined the vehicle ids 20:55:54 <V453000> k 20:55:57 <Alberth> frosch123: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2744/ 20:56:36 <kero> planetmaker : 3. 20:56:40 <frosch123> aww, devzone ssh won't fix itself :( 20:57:02 <planetmaker> kero, try make PYTHON=/path/to/python2 20:57:12 <kero> ok 20:57:24 <kero> I searched for a such variable but there isn't 20:57:47 <planetmaker> I hope it exists... FIRS might be a bit peculiar... 20:58:46 <V453000> frosch123: do I use item(FEAT_TRAINS, item_C4T01, 730) iem_C4T01 - OR - 730 as ID? 20:58:48 <kero> Rha. Still nothng: http://pastebin.com/YiAypVVX 20:58:49 <V453000> or does it matter? 20:59:14 <kero> i think it's not a python version problem, because the error is the same 20:59:31 <frosch123> V453000: i guess it's the same, but i would use item_c4T01 20:59:38 <V453000> kay) 20:59:41 <V453000> :) 20:59:44 <V453000> yeah good point 21:00:11 <Alberth> kero: it is, likely, python 3 does print("foo") 21:00:17 * andythenorth checks that FIRS isn't broken 21:00:37 <Alberth> kero: what's the first line of nmlc? 21:01:35 <Alberth> make it #! /usr/bin/env python2 21:01:41 <andythenorth> "shebang" :P 21:01:49 <andythenorth> UK joke, quite out of context :P 21:03:35 <andythenorth> virtualenv is your friend 21:04:14 <kero> planetmaker : do you think it would be dangerous to change my /usr/bin python symlink to version2 instead of 3 for a moment ? :) 21:04:14 <kero> Alberth : I did, but works still not. I think the problem doesn't come from python version 21:04:37 <planetmaker> kero, for this experiment it would 21:04:43 <andythenorth> FWIW, FIRS builds for me 21:04:47 <planetmaker> if you remember to revert it :-) 21:05:17 <kero> planetmaker : i'll have a lot of thinks to revert. Starting with uninstalling all strange dependencies :) 21:06:14 <andythenorth> :( 21:07:12 * andythenorth has 10 pythons :) 21:07:14 <andythenorth> I just counted 21:07:23 <Alberth> :o 21:07:23 <V453000> you must construct additional pythons 21:07:55 <Alberth> as well as enough cages to keep all these animals 21:09:19 <Supercheese> V453000: haha 21:09:25 <andythenorth> 6 of them are caged 21:09:26 <V453000> :) 21:09:45 <Supercheese> Made me giggle 21:10:37 <Supercheese> Whoah, Polish apparently has different plural forms for 4 things and 5 things 21:10:51 <Supercheese> at least according to https://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/fake-subways/repository/revisions/dcf7c4fa6dcf/entry/lang/polish.lng 21:11:23 <andythenorth> Alberth: this thing fetches (and isolates) lots of pythons for you :) https://github.com/collective/buildout.python 21:11:48 <andythenorth> which is useful when your project include 2.4, 2.6, 2.7 and 3 21:11:53 <andythenorth> projects * 21:12:12 <Alberth> yeah :) 21:12:23 <andythenorth> and Apple python is unstrustworthy 21:13:30 <Supercheese> And the woman said, "The python deceived me, and I ate of the Apple." 21:13:41 <frosch123> Alberth: i guess there is something wrong with make_langfile at least 21:14:07 <frosch123> hmm, even with the language info 21:14:13 *** Belugas [~belugas@216.191.111.230] has joined #openttd 21:14:14 *** mode/#openttd [+o Belugas] by ChanServ 21:14:14 <Alberth> Supercheese: actually, the apple is deceiving probably :) 21:14:28 <Supercheese> Well, the Apple does have a bite out of it ;) 21:14:42 <Alberth> frosch123: did I make that? 21:15:42 <frosch123> Alberth: whatever you commit, it does not matter 21:15:56 <frosch123> eints gets the data from webtranslate/newgrf/language_info.py 21:16:01 <Alberth> lol 21:16:18 <planetmaker> :D 21:16:22 <Alberth> :o 21:16:28 <frosch123> but make_langfile uses some other struct 21:16:36 <frosch123> it's no LanguageData apparently 21:16:40 <Alberth> I thought it uses the data from the translation file 21:16:47 <frosch123> you wrote it :p 21:18:14 <Alberth> hmm, that cannot be correct; the language_info file has the plural form I changed it to. If you use that form, some strings are broken 21:18:21 <frosch123> hmm, or does that only matter for new languages? 21:18:55 <Alberth> if you make a new language, it uses the plural form of the language_info file, as it has no other source 21:19:15 <Alberth> but in principle, the newgrf author decides 21:19:31 <Alberth> although that may be a bad idea :) 21:19:36 <frosch123> where is the Language class defined? 21:19:42 <Alberth> data 21:19:47 <planetmaker> yeah. Languages are defined by OpenTTD rather than NewGRFs 21:19:59 <frosch123> it's a shitty term to grep for :) 21:20:05 <Alberth> data.py 21:20:57 <frosch123> <language langid="56" name="hr_HR" plural="0"> <- ok, so it is saved in the project 21:21:28 <Alberth> ok, perhaps it's not copied on an update then 21:22:15 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-78-45-93-251.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:22:40 <frosch123> anyway, upload_languagy.py does not look like it would copy #plural from the uploade data 21:22:48 <frosch123> yeah, what you said :) 21:22:53 <frosch123> it copies the skeleton 21:22:58 <frosch123> but not the meta data 21:24:26 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.96.122.128] has joined #openttd 21:25:24 <alluke> my 32 tile ore train dislikes hills 21:25:53 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 21:26:09 <alluke> evening 21:30:45 <Supercheese> Sounds like you need to Try More Power⢠21:31:04 <andythenorth> Moar 21:31:09 * andythenorth tests this FIRS fix 21:31:11 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:31:21 <andythenorth> what a ball ache FIRS is 21:31:22 <andythenorth> :P 21:31:29 <andythenorth> slow slow slow 21:31:40 <Supercheese> 5 min compiles? 21:32:16 <kero> oh, you are testing it ? 21:32:28 <andythenorth> trying to 21:32:33 <andythenorth> if I don't get bored first 21:32:33 <kero> I'm still stuck on my compile error :p 21:33:13 <kero> there's something I don't understand: is it coded in nml, pnml or both ? 21:33:38 <andythenorth> ha :) 21:33:43 <andythenorth> the answer is worse than that 21:33:51 <planetmaker> much worse :D 21:33:58 <kero> that's what I was fearing 21:34:02 <kero> yes, python too ... 21:34:14 <andythenorth> python -> pnml -> nml 21:34:45 <kero> oO 21:35:31 <Supercheese> Then doesn't it go to nfo before going to grf? 21:35:32 <kero> must have been nice to code :) 21:35:40 <Supercheese> python -> pnml -> nml -> nfo -> grf? 21:36:50 <andythenorth> no nfo 21:36:53 <andythenorth> considered it 21:37:00 <andythenorth> was faster for a bit 21:37:06 <andythenorth> but nml was improved 21:41:57 <kero> wow 21:42:06 <kero> root@kdesktop /usr/bin # ln -s python2 python 21:42:08 <kero> Works. 21:42:33 <kero> at least, starts working 21:43:29 <andythenorth> kero: >= seems to work for production change 21:43:41 <kero> Cool ! 21:43:53 <andythenorth> need to test some more 21:44:03 <kero> I'm gonna testing right now. 21:44:09 <Alberth> probably a change in the order of 2 bits or so :) 21:45:23 <andythenorth> "Yate Hagan" :P 21:45:45 * andythenorth got a birthday cake in Yate 21:45:51 <planetmaker> @ports 21:45:51 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: OpenTTD uses TCP and UDP port 3979 for server <-> client communication, UDP port 3978 for masterserver (advertise) communication (outbound), and TCP port 3978 for content service, a.k.a. BaNaNaS (outbound) 21:46:20 <andythenorth> kero: working for farms 21:46:25 <kero> Well. Thanks to all which helped 21:46:28 <andythenorth> code is same for other industries -should work 21:47:21 <andythenorth> I'll push now 21:48:07 <andythenorth> my hg is sulking :P 21:48:17 <andythenorth> but when it goes, bundles server should get it and build it http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/firs/push/ 21:48:22 <kero> you change it directly on the rep ? 21:48:49 <andythenorth> I changed it in my repo and am trying to push it 21:49:06 <kero> well finally I succeded compiling so I'll already try it 21:49:18 <kero> if I find problems, i'll inform you :) 21:49:31 <andythenorth> ok :) 21:52:05 <kero> by the way, is FIRS supposed better playable changing station rating ? 21:53:00 <kero> (by "better", I mean that it would be nearly unplayable without) 21:53:29 <Alberth> nah, not that better 21:53:42 <Supercheese> I believe it is better than "Grim and mean" 21:53:52 <Supercheese> which is a pretty accurate description of default OTTD rating scheme 21:54:09 <kero> I'm mean, I don't change the rating for myself, at least for the moment, but it's not that easy 21:54:09 <Alberth> it makes it simpler in the sense that you can leave a station empty for a while 21:54:56 <Supercheese> As alluke has found out, even with trains constantly loading, often your rating cannot go over 68-ish percent with default algorithm 21:55:08 <andythenorth> FIRS ignores that :) 21:55:11 <andythenorth> I find it boring 21:55:11 <kero> actually, the change is quite big. Even when you always have a train in a station, the rating is greater 21:55:21 <andythenorth> it adjusts some delay period 21:55:28 <andythenorth> can't remember what 21:55:50 <Supercheese> Ding, baking complete: https://jenkins.openttdcoop.org/job/firs/37/ 21:55:50 <andythenorth> I like small number of trains per station, not 20 waiting :P 21:55:50 <Alberth> you don't need to, it's in the source :) 21:56:00 <Supercheese> Let cool for 4-5 mins before serving ;) 21:56:29 <Alberth> good night 21:56:35 <andythenorth> night Alberth 21:56:38 <Supercheese> Vale 21:56:43 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 21:57:10 *** Progman [~progman@p57A183F2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 22:02:01 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Quit: Quitting.] 22:03:53 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 22:08:51 <alluke> ecs should ignore it too 22:08:59 <frosch123> night 22:09:01 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f5be5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:09:08 <alluke> actually, it could be removed from the trunk too 22:10:19 *** oskari892 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:10:50 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Standby mode...] 22:11:08 <kero> code a patch :) 22:11:23 <kero> must not be so difficult to change that 22:13:47 <andythenorth> someone needs to fix my offsets :P 22:13:50 <andythenorth> they are very wrogn 22:14:59 <kero> it's about sprites ? I don't understand anything about graphics 22:18:13 <kero> mmh does the station rating change is activ also for pax/mails ? 22:18:48 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: do your CETS offsets deal with crazy turning angles? I wouldn't be able to copy them 22:18:48 <andythenorth> ? 22:19:26 <Eddi|zuHause> just use the "normal" view 22:19:36 <Eddi|zuHause> and the "gui" view 22:20:07 <andythenorth> \o/ 22:20:10 <Eddi|zuHause> and the slices for tunnel stuff, but if you only use 10lu you might even live without that 22:20:41 <andythenorth> are you really doing hill sprites too? :o 22:23:08 * andythenorth was in the CETS repo 22:26:53 * andythenorth bed 22:26:56 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:47:38 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.151] has joined #openttd 22:49:58 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm pretty sure i said "it would be easily extendible, but i won't do it" 22:54:21 *** glx_ [~glx@2a01:e35:2f59:c7c0:c05:4952:e6fe:c8ed] has joined #openttd 22:54:21 *** glx is now known as Guest3435 22:54:21 *** glx_ is now known as glx 22:57:48 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:39 *** Guest3435 [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:07:16 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:12:42 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:19:03 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 23:30:55 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:37:26 <Wolf01> 'night 23:37:34 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:38:32 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.106.87] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:56:49 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.151] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:59:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A183F2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]