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08:26:11 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 08:36:43 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 08:36:46 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 08:38:47 <Supercheese> Lame, can't play OTTD using Roman Denarii 08:38:56 <Supercheese> Oh wait, custom currency 08:39:18 <Supercheese> Holy crap, when did that feature get added 08:40:33 <Alberth> before I started playing OpenTTD, afaik 08:40:44 * Supercheese has never used it 08:41:01 <Alberth> I tried it once, and confirmed it worked :) 08:41:24 * Supercheese wonders what the GPB -> Denarius exchange rate is/would be 08:43:54 <Supercheese> @commit 1215 08:43:54 <DorpsGek> Supercheese: Commit by dominik :: r1215 /trunk (9 files in 3 dirs) (2004-12-22 13:19:26 UTC) 08:43:55 <DorpsGek> Supercheese: Feature: You can now make a custom currency by chosing "Custom..." 08:43:55 <Alberth> 1:1 is the easiest :p 08:43:58 <Supercheese> Well. 08:44:08 <Supercheese> I am clearly behind the times. 08:44:50 <Alberth> nah, OpenTTD just has a ay of keeping hidden treasures that you discover even after years of playing :) 08:44:56 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:46:42 <Wolf01> o/ Alberth, o/ andythenorth 08:46:46 <andythenorth> o/ 08:46:52 <Alberth> hi hi 08:46:54 <andythenorth> hmm 08:46:55 <andythenorth> print 'buy menu width not implemented fully, returning 8' 08:47:10 <andythenorth> what larks 08:50:48 <Rubidium> sounds like that fair random algorithm ;) 08:57:36 <andythenorth> meh 08:58:01 <andythenorth> so with an invisible leading part of an articulated train, the depot GUI is unusable 08:58:57 <Supercheese> translating OTTD is a lengthy process 08:59:15 <Supercheese> damned advanced settings menu... so many strings 08:59:50 <Rubidium> though as far as I can see on the forum there aren't enough settings yet 09:00:03 <andythenorth> there should be a setting 09:00:09 <andythenorth> 'more settings: on | off' 09:00:16 <Supercheese> There is 09:00:22 <Supercheese> "Show: Basic Settings" 09:00:24 <Supercheese> etc. 09:00:28 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@85.186.160.35] has joined #openttd 09:00:47 <andythenorth> hmm 09:00:48 <andythenorth> wtf 09:00:50 <Supercheese> Settings for settings for settings 09:00:54 <Supercheese> Settingception 09:01:02 <andythenorth> I have to special case every graphics chain of every vehicle for depot 09:01:07 <andythenorth> great 09:02:26 *** roadt_ [~roadt@36.7.147.169] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:03:03 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 09:08:06 <Supercheese> Dormiturus sum; valete 09:08:41 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.155.246] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258]] 09:13:57 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Quit: DDR is not Dance Dance Revolution.] 09:16:24 <andythenorth> so there's no graphics chain variable for 'vehicle is being dragged in depot' 09:16:46 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: how on earth did you make the depot acceptable in CETS? 09:31:14 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 09:37:09 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 09:42:26 <andythenorth> fuck me this is a pita 09:43:38 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:45:21 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 09:45:37 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-147-214-192.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:51:35 *** tgyrtyh [~id@37.140.101.204] has joined #openttd 10:01:20 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:01:48 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:02:14 <andythenorth> for depot view, I have to move the entire graphics chain to a different vehicle 10:02:22 <andythenorth> with subtle differences 10:04:18 <Alberth> ieks 10:06:41 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 10:20:31 <andythenorth> I need to preserve the load states too 10:20:39 <andythenorth> which means looking them up elsewhere in the chain 10:20:42 <andythenorth> this is stupid 10:21:49 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.106.87] has joined #openttd 10:29:40 *** roadt_ [~roadt@36.7.147.169] has joined #openttd 10:31:07 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 10:35:19 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6BD3B.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:43:01 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 10:43:43 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f670a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 10:48:55 <andythenorth> so can we just add 10/8 long vehicles to the game? 10:48:56 <andythenorth> :P 10:51:50 <Alberth> you have too many pixels? :) 10:53:04 *** TomyLobo [~foo@91-65-113-111-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 11:00:38 <V453000> 8/8 is best anyway? :P 11:01:07 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 11:01:31 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host86-139-121-35.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 11:07:38 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-147-214-192.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:09:13 *** jjavaholic_ [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 11:14:47 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:20:00 * andythenorth ponders 11:21:07 *** kero [~keikoz@202.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has joined #openttd 11:22:50 <kero> hi 11:23:02 <andythenorth> o/ 11:33:26 <andythenorth> ho ho 11:33:31 <andythenorth> just had an outstanding idea 11:33:35 <andythenorth> hax 11:34:04 <kero> be careful with outstanding ideas 11:34:25 <kero> they make you stand on entire nights coding and forgetting everything :) 11:35:35 <andythenorth> ha 11:35:47 <andythenorth> I don't consider it an outstanding idea unless it avoids coding 11:35:55 <kero> :) 11:37:10 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:37:13 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 11:37:13 <andythenorth> meh, thought of an edge case 11:37:17 <andythenorth> I bet no-one notices though 11:39:14 <Alberth> make it a contest to win a cookie :) 11:40:05 <andythenorth> actually someone will notice 11:40:17 <andythenorth> there's always someone :( 11:40:18 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:41:35 <kero> Yeah. Just see the 84 crates :) 11:42:09 <kero> Anyway. But ... you speaking about FIRS ? 11:42:26 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-56-193.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:43:08 <andythenorth> train set 11:48:24 <andythenorth> so each 'vehicle' is made up of three parts 11:48:27 <andythenorth> two are invisible 11:48:42 <andythenorth> the centre part is visible, and also contains the cargo capacity 11:48:55 <andythenorth> but in depot the visible part must be the first part 11:49:09 <andythenorth> which means I have to look up the cargo capacity from the second part 11:49:32 <andythenorth> my idea was to instead split the capacity 50:50 between first and second part 11:50:08 <andythenorth> but due to FIFO loading of vehicles, the two parts could contain different cargo amounts 11:50:17 <andythenorth> so depot view would be 'incorrect' 11:50:22 <andythenorth> some fucker is bound to report that :( 11:50:31 * andythenorth is quite sweary atm, sorry :P 11:51:08 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 11:51:47 <Alberth> add it to "known bugs" :p 11:51:47 <kero> why do you want vehicles with 2/3 as invisible ? 11:52:09 <Alberth> or rather "known features" 11:52:43 <andythenorth> kero: it's to support longer sprites 11:52:49 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 11:53:12 <kero> k 11:54:17 <kero> your coming long-trucks set ? (wasn't there something like that in progress ?) 11:54:38 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:54:48 <andythenorth> trains 11:55:00 <andythenorth> it doesn't help that nml doesn't seem to support var 61 http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/VariationalAction2/Vehicles#Query_variable_of_n-th_vehicle_in_chain_.2861.29 11:55:04 <kero> mmh yes. Still sleeping, seems 11:55:04 <andythenorth> so I have to patch nml first 11:56:41 <andythenorth> I bet Eddi|zuHause knows how to do this 11:56:54 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause is rarely unable to solve a problem :P 12:04:36 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: var[0x61,...] 12:07:31 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: how do you handle depot sprites? 12:07:37 <andythenorth> I tried reading CETS, but I need a clue :P 12:08:07 <V453000> what do you need for depot sprites? 12:08:21 <V453000> aka why make them differ from normal sprites? 12:09:24 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the depot check is in the vehicle template (in write.py) 12:09:54 <Eddi|zuHause> in the default/graphics callback check extra_callbac_info1 12:10:07 <andythenorth> V453000: the first vehicle is invisible, so you can't drag it around the depot :( 12:10:10 <Eddi|zuHause> if it's non-zero, it's in the GUI 12:10:33 <Eddi|zuHause> then the first vehicle must display a sprite 12:11:44 <V453000> what :D 12:14:32 <Eddi|zuHause> so: switch(extra_callback_info1) { 0: normal_view; gui_view; } 12:14:40 <andythenorth> yeah I have that 12:14:41 <andythenorth> :) 12:14:48 <andythenorth> but what do you do to preserve load states? 12:15:00 <andythenorth> you have to go look up props on another vehicle? 12:15:13 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: that is in tree.py 12:15:17 <andythenorth> ta 12:16:18 <kero> mmh andythenorth is it intended that all dredging site/fishing grounds have now only names like "Altdorf Sandbank" ? :) 12:16:18 <Alberth> can you please explain why the first sprite must/should be invisible? 12:16:35 <Eddi|zuHause> look for the line "if self.value == "load":" 12:16:50 <Alberth> ie what advantage does it have? 12:17:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Alberth: so it doesn't bend in curves 12:18:11 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: slice_var = "[STORE_TEMP(%d, 0x10F), var[0x61, 0, 0x0000FFFF, %s]*100/var[0x61, 0, 0x0000FFFF, %s]]"%(veh_slice, "0xBC", "0xBA") 12:18:32 <V453000> oh god 12:18:35 <V453000> :D 12:18:59 <Eddi|zuHause> STORE_TEMP(%d, 0x10F) stores the offset you want to check 12:19:14 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: are you providing the cargo capacit on first slice, or middle slice? 12:19:24 <Eddi|zuHause> aond 0xBC, 0xBA are load 12:19:46 <Eddi|zuHause> i think the middle 12:19:56 <Eddi|zuHause> but it doesn't actually matter 12:20:04 <andythenorth> it does for engines with capacity 12:20:11 <andythenorth> TE will be wrong 12:20:13 <andythenorth> when loaded :) 12:20:51 <andythenorth> V453000: Alberth this is all to provide 10/8 long sprites 12:21:00 <Eddi|zuHause> hm, i don't think i ever checked that 12:21:13 <Alberth> Eddi|zuHause: ah, ok. It does seem to make life terribly complicated though 12:21:23 <V453000> still weird :) 12:21:26 <V453000> I know what it s for :) 12:22:45 <andythenorth> I am not sure it's worth it 12:22:57 <andythenorth> it also prevents flipping engines, or using double-headed trains 12:23:05 <andythenorth> but I'm too far in the hole now 12:23:17 <Alberth> I am quite sure it isn't, imho 12:24:09 <NGC3982> Morning. 12:24:20 <Alberth> moin NGC3982 12:24:58 <NGC3982> Hung over. 12:25:00 <NGC3982> Hungover? 12:25:18 <V453000> engine flipping is nice :| 12:25:26 <Alberth> lol 12:25:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i was thinking nmlc should support var61 by amending all "normal_variable" with "normal_variable(0ffset)" and all "param_variable(param)" with "param_variable(0ffset, param)" 12:25:34 <V453000> but you can do that automatically when vehicle is at the end of consist 12:25:45 <V453000> obviously not fully good, but at least somewhat :) 12:26:34 <Eddi|zuHause> why did my o turn into 0 there? 12:27:05 <Alberth> it thought ff is a hexadecimal number? 12:27:33 <Alberth> or (0 is a smiley? 12:27:47 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: that would be a nice interface 12:27:49 <andythenorth> I am +1 12:27:54 <Eddi|zuHause> most likely my hand offset :p 12:28:15 <Alberth> 0ffset you mean :) 12:28:42 <Eddi|zuHause> shift+8 for ( and then moving to 0 is maybe not working properly :p 12:28:55 <Eddi|zuHause> there it happened again 12:29:04 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-147-214-192.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 12:31:51 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: nml patch? :) 12:33:19 *** valhalla1w [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:35:15 <NGC3982> I love how people try to cure hangover with pain killers. 12:35:27 <NGC3982> And complaining how it doesn't seem to work. 12:37:36 <Tulitomaatti> :D 12:37:37 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: why do you always troll the poor kid? :) 12:40:11 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:41:29 *** zydeco [~zydeco@177.70.18.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #openttd 12:42:27 <zydeco> greetings, comrades 12:43:43 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I'm just a bad person 12:43:56 <andythenorth> with too little sleep 12:46:18 <juzza1> lol 12:46:31 <juzza1> half of the time i am unable to decipher what he is trying to say 12:49:23 <NGC3982> Hm. 12:51:30 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 12:52:00 <NGC3982> Can the -g function be used together with -c? 12:52:25 <NGC3982> That is, can i start a dedicated server from a save game, but still specify a configuration file? 12:56:09 <Alberth> config file also contains local (non savegame saved) values 12:56:40 <NGC3982> Yes, these are the values i wish to connect to my savegame. 12:57:00 <NGC3982> For instance, the server port and the server name. 12:57:38 <Rubidium> those are not stored in the savegame, so the ones from the configuration file will be taken 12:57:42 <Alberth> I would expect using both -g and -c would work 12:58:57 * NGC3982 tries it out. 13:00:10 <Alberth> the "out" is already implied by "tried" :) 13:07:27 *** roadt__ [~roadt@36.7.147.100] has joined #openttd 13:09:20 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host86-139-121-35.range86-139.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 13:14:36 *** roadt_ [~roadt@36.7.147.169] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:20:01 <zydeco> hmm openttd fails to compile on mac os x 10.9 13:22:09 <zydeco> they removed some deprecated functions about 8bpp display modes from the headers 13:22:57 <__ln__> compile against an older SDK 13:24:49 <zydeco> good idea 13:26:51 <NGC3982> That worked out like a charm. 13:30:51 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-78-45-93-251.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:32:02 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:35:08 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 13:46:39 <andythenorth> I was going to test compiling on 10.9 13:46:44 <andythenorth> before I upgrade :P 14:02:45 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.179] has joined #openttd 14:05:24 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:13:26 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 14:26:10 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@85.186.160.35] has quit [] 14:36:39 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:42:18 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.179] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:54:40 *** tgyrtyh [~id@37.140.101.204] has quit [] 14:56:00 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:57:17 *** roadt__ [~roadt@36.7.147.100] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:57:36 *** roadt__ [~roadt@36.7.147.100] has joined #openttd 15:01:01 *** roboboy [~robotboy@0001164c.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:07:10 <zydeco> 10.9 doesn't seem to want to link with libstdc++ 15:16:05 <andythenorth> :( 15:20:35 <zydeco> oh, there's an option 15:21:08 <zydeco> apparently clang changes the default to libc++ 15:21:54 <zydeco> I'm trying, but it's slow on an old macbook air 15:24:23 <andythenorth> if you succeed, could you put the success steps somewhere? o_O 15:24:26 <andythenorth> maybe ottd wiki? 15:24:27 <andythenorth> or here 15:24:34 <zydeco> of course 15:24:38 <andythenorth> thanks :) 15:24:45 * andythenorth is holding off upgrading 15:25:56 <zydeco> ooh fullscreen works now 15:26:08 <kero> another proof that mac is evil :) 15:26:22 <andythenorth> yeah 15:26:26 <andythenorth> definitely evil 15:26:33 <zydeco> I used CFLAGS="-isysroot /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.8.sdk -I/usr/local/Cellar/lzo/2.06/include" LDFLAGS="-stdlib=libstdc++ -L/usr/local/Cellar/lzo/2.06/lib" ./configure 15:26:38 <andythenorth> debian *never* doing anything weird 15:26:53 <zydeco> but I'm not sure if the lzo ones are actually needed (I have homebrew) 15:27:06 <andythenorth> *nobody* I know has to recompile their debian own stuff due to packaging decisions :P 15:27:10 <andythenorth> never 15:27:12 <kero> :p 15:27:29 <kero> dunno. I don't like debian. To old stuff 15:34:22 <andythenorth> meh 15:34:29 * andythenorth has more of this train crap working 15:34:33 <andythenorth> it's not even hard :( 15:34:36 <andythenorth> just needs care 15:34:44 <andythenorth> and a total rewrite of most of my existing code 15:36:09 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 15:39:39 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 15:40:25 <kero> andythenorth : http://imageshack.us/f/812/s8p8.png/ 15:40:58 <andythenorth> self-compiled? o_O 15:41:30 <kero> that one is the self-compiled, but I have the same thing on the last v50** nightlie 15:43:10 <zydeco> this is also needed for 10.9 http://pastebin.com/hnvpS45P 15:43:59 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:44:09 <zydeco> even if it's using the 10.8 sdk, it fails there 15:44:33 <andythenorth> kero: what are you reporting, the industry name? 15:45:03 <kero> yes 15:45:07 <kero> it's normal ? 15:46:35 *** DanMacK [~d83bfad9@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:46:40 <DanMacK> Hey all 15:47:05 <Alberth> o/ 15:53:41 <Wolf01> bbl, maybe tomorrow :) 15:53:50 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 15:56:24 <andythenorth> kero: not sure :) I didn't set the industry name 15:58:35 <kero> Ok. It's not a "problem", anyway. Just wondering if it was intended :) 16:01:58 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 16:21:11 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Quit: adf88] 16:26:42 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.179] has joined #openttd 16:30:16 *** sla_ro|master [~sla.ro@85.186.160.35] has joined #openttd 16:31:27 *** ntoskrnl [~not@a91-153-231-146.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 16:39:43 * andythenorth needs to cherry pick some hg commits 16:39:47 <andythenorth> never done it before :| 16:40:08 <andythenorth> maybe I just patch 16:44:17 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 16:44:46 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [] 16:54:35 <andythenorth> manual diff ftw :P 17:10:55 <andythenorth> ho ho 17:10:57 <andythenorth> another problem :) 17:11:11 <andythenorth> I need to share the refit between 2 of the 3 articulated parts 17:11:12 <Taede> theres always something else 17:12:36 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:18:30 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: how is your nml "property(offset)" patch coming? :) 17:18:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i thought you were writing that :p 17:19:13 <andythenorth> oh dear :) 17:19:33 <andythenorth> it would be useful though, no? 17:27:41 <michi_cc> zydeco: What's the error message you get? 17:35:49 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:35:52 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:37:46 <zydeco> oh, I fixed it by using the 10.8 SDK and -stdlib=libstdc++ 17:38:11 <zydeco> if you use the 10.9 SDK, all the things related with 8bpp fullscreen have been removed from the headers 17:38:35 <zydeco> and http://pastebin.com/hnvpS45P too 17:42:25 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:42:47 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 17:43:46 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-147-214-192.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:44:21 <glx> deprecated stuff as always 17:45:45 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-78-45-93-251.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:48:29 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 17:52:31 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:52:44 <Snail> hi guys, I have problems with sprite recoloring in the nightlies 17:53:40 <Snail> I wrote code that changes the trains' recoloring when they reverse. It has always worked well and still works fine with 1.3.2 stable. But it seems to be broken in v25755 nightly 17:53:57 <Snail> did anything change w.r.t. that? 17:54:45 *** abchirk_ [~abchirk@e179070236.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 17:55:33 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 18:01:52 *** Jomann [~abchirk@g229118245.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:03:04 <andythenorth> hmm 18:03:19 <andythenorth> splitting capacity over two articulated parts looks odd in vehicle info window 18:03:35 <andythenorth> I guess I have to figure out cb61 in nml :( 18:04:21 <frosch123> Snail: fs#5775 likely 18:04:57 <frosch123> hmm, on reversal, might be something different then 18:05:19 <Snail> frosch123: yes, it happens when it reaches the end of the line 18:05:41 <Snail> recoloring works fine in 1.3.2 but it doesn't happen right away in 25755 18:05:59 <Snail> it only happens when I manually stop the vehicle after reversal... or when it brakes down 18:06:06 <Snail> *breaks down 18:06:07 *** sturmi [~Sturmi@pD9EB1082.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:06:37 <glx> maybe you can try to find when it the problem starts using previous nightlies 18:07:06 <frosch123> it likely started when i changed the recolouring triggers for xussr :p 18:07:25 <frosch123> but i thought they would only happen more often, not less often :p 18:07:57 <michi_cc> zydeco: http://pastebin.com/hnvpS45P is exactly what I mean. Was the header removed, is it missing some definitions or producing conflicts etc.? 18:08:13 <zydeco> it seems to be removed 18:08:49 <michi_cc> Did apple finally kick out gcc completely? 18:09:55 <Snail> ah I see, this is why it's probably connected to the 32-day callback too 18:10:15 <andythenorth> michi_cc: seems so yes 18:10:54 <DorpsGek> Commit by michi_cc :: r25913 trunk/src/os/macosx/osx_stdafx.h (2013-10-26 17:20:48 UTC) 18:10:55 <DorpsGek> -Fix: [OSX] Compilation under OSX 10.9. (zydeco) 18:12:32 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 18:17:43 *** DanMacK [~d83bfad9@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:35:17 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r25914 trunk/src/lang/luxembourgish.txt (2013-10-26 17:45:10 UTC) 18:35:18 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:35:19 <DorpsGek> luxembourgish - 6 changes by Phreeze 18:38:46 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:42:07 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-78-45-93-251.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:05 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:27 *** zooks [~zooks@vhe-540241.sshn.net] has joined #openttd 18:45:48 *** Twofish [~Thorbjorn@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:48:10 <__ln__> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24685617 19:01:44 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.155.246] has joined #openttd 19:01:57 *** kero [~keikoz@202.4.69.86.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Quit: kero] 19:05:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:10:32 <andythenorth> before I make a fool of myself... 19:10:33 <andythenorth> [STORE_TEMP(%d, 0x10F), var[0x61, 0, 0x0000FFFF, %s]*100/var[0x61, 0, 0x0000FFFF, %s]] 19:10:40 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 19:11:34 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: %d = offset, stored in register, then the result is load amount / capacity? 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19:56:02 <zydeco> xz 19:56:08 <andythenorth> I have installed xz with brew, but it's not recognised by ./configure 19:56:18 <zydeco> hmm 19:56:52 <andythenorth> lzma exists 19:57:00 <andythenorth> it's in my path 19:58:25 <zydeco> I have liblzma.{a,dylib,5.dylib} in /usr/lib, and they're symlinks to the one in brew's Cellar 20:00:51 <andythenorth> for now I am building without lzma 20:01:06 <V453000> me too 20:01:39 <andythenorth> compiling is slow on my wife's mac :( 20:01:52 <zydeco> I have a 1.6 GHz core 2 duo right now 20:01:57 <zydeco> talk about slow 20:02:05 <andythenorth> ok, I'll shut up 20:02:12 <V453000> :D 20:03:49 <andythenorth> hmm 20:03:55 <andythenorth> 5 compile errors 20:04:05 <andythenorth> all video / display stuff 20:05:09 <andythenorth> using rev 25914 20:05:57 <andythenorth> http://pastebin.com/kr5UXumr 20:06:46 <andythenorth> zydeco: you had to solve any 8 bit crap? 20:07:33 <zydeco> yes, I used the 10.8 SDK 20:07:40 <zydeco> CFLAGS="-isysroot /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.8.sdk" 20:08:33 <zydeco> I suppose it could be checked with #if (MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED < MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_9) 20:08:43 <andythenorth> where are CFLAGS set? 20:08:46 * andythenorth could google :P 20:09:20 <__ln__> andythenorth: they can be set either with "CFLAGS=... ./configure" or "./configure CFLAGS=..." probably 20:09:44 <__ln__> or in fact both ways 20:10:16 <zydeco> CFLAGS="-isysroot /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.8.sdk" LDFLAGS="-stdlib=libstdc++" ./configure 20:10:24 <zydeco> you need the stdlib ldflag too 20:11:00 * andythenorth tries 20:11:57 <andythenorth> #include <lzo/lzo1x.h> 20:11:58 <andythenorth> Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ^ 20:11:59 <zydeco> you can also add -I and -L flags with the paths to other headers and libraries, if it can't find the ones for lzma, lzo or whatever 20:12:10 <andythenorth> meh, the error didn't paste 20:12:15 <__ln__> what breaks without the stdlib flag? 20:12:20 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:12:36 <andythenorth> it's now failing on lzo for me 20:13:01 <zydeco> yes, 10.9 uses libc++ as a default 20:13:02 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 20:13:26 <zydeco> so it won't link 20:13:26 * andythenorth is out of depth here 20:14:11 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-147-214-192.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 20:14:44 <zydeco> you can try --without-liblzo2 20:15:07 <andythenorth> ok 20:15:53 <zydeco> or add -I/usr/local/Cellar/lzo/2.06/include to cflags, and -L/usr/local/Cellar/lzo/2.06/lib to ldflags 20:18:43 *** Nat_aS [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:18:58 <zydeco> but homebrew should symlink stuff in /usr/local 20:19:00 *** Nat_aS [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 20:19:42 <andythenorth> works 20:19:52 <andythenorth> using flags for no lzma and no lzo 20:20:13 <andythenorth> and full screen is back \o/ 20:21:06 <andythenorth> so does this imply a patch for configure, or instructions on wiki or what? :) 20:25:34 <zydeco> I think the 8-bit stuff should be put between checks for #if (MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED < MAC_OS_X_VERSION_10_9) 20:25:57 <zydeco> although the waiting for vertical blank is also deprecated 20:26:38 *** Dr_Tan [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 20:27:58 *** Nat_aS [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:28:51 <andythenorth> how do I check a TTD var in nml? 20:28:56 <andythenorth> specifically 0x61 20:29:25 <V453000> frosch did that in nuts 20:29:29 <V453000> idongetit though 20:29:58 <andythenorth> var[] 20:30:03 <andythenorth> dunno why CETS works with var() 20:30:05 <V453000> http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2746/ 20:30:24 <andythenorth> yeah same case 20:30:47 <Supercheese> var[0x61, 0, 0xFF] 20:30:50 <Supercheese> somethin like that 20:31:46 <Supercheese> oh, it's a more complicated var 20:32:12 <Supercheese> In any event: http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Deprecated_syntax 20:32:27 <V453000> ._. 20:32:32 <V453000> aka wtf through the roof 20:34:19 <andythenorth> aka we should add var 61 20:37:43 <andythenorth> urg, my nfo is all forgotten 20:37:50 <andythenorth> what do I mask to get cargo class? http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/VariationalAction2/Vehicles#Vehicle_cargo_info_.2847.29 20:38:37 <V453000> when seeing that page my first thought is "obtain more beer asap" 20:39:30 <Alberth> (value & 0xF0) >> 4 20:39:46 <andythenorth> ? 20:39:48 <andythenorth> shift 4? 20:39:59 <Alberth> or (value >> 4) & 0xF 20:40:27 <Alberth> if you want values 0..15, yes 20:40:43 <andythenorth> not sure 20:40:51 <Alberth> or you get 0, 16, 32, ... 15*16 20:40:54 <andythenorth> I need first word 20:41:47 <Alberth> oh, it's a 32 bit value? 20:42:14 <andythenorth> think so 20:42:43 <Alberth> ah, right value >> 16 then 20:43:10 <Alberth> ie shift 16 bits to the right 20:43:19 <andythenorth> with what mask 20:43:20 <andythenorth> ? 20:43:26 <Alberth> 0xFFFF 20:43:57 <Alberth> you really need to read about binary and hexadecimal numbers :p 20:44:13 <andythenorth> I did once 20:44:17 <andythenorth> then we invented nml 20:44:31 <andythenorth> so I usefully forgot 90% of what I learnt 20:44:41 <andythenorth> I don't miss it :P 20:44:51 <Alberth> :) 20:44:54 * Supercheese never learned it in the first place ;) 20:46:37 * andythenorth has failed at making this work 20:46:39 <andythenorth> try again 20:48:11 <andythenorth> afaict, this should be right http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/2748/ 20:48:20 <andythenorth> but it fails in two interesting ways :P 20:51:12 <Alberth> what the heck is the use of 0x45 20:51:32 <andythenorth> ? 20:51:35 <andythenorth> 0x47 ? 20:52:04 <andythenorth> ah 20:52:07 <andythenorth> that might be the issue 20:52:35 <Alberth> Curvature info (45) <-- no, that parameter in the specs 20:52:57 <andythenorth> oh that's for CETS and such :) 20:53:22 <Alberth> but I agree your 0x47 is not clear to me either, but I don't know what it means at all 20:53:35 <andythenorth> it's var 47 here http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/VariationalAction2/Vehicles#Vehicle_cargo_info_.2847.29 20:53:46 <andythenorth> but I'm not sure if I have to add something to it to make it a 60+ var 20:53:51 <andythenorth> or some such 20:54:05 * andythenorth pokes frosch123 20:54:44 <Supercheese> I know how to get cargo subtype, but not cargo class/type 20:54:56 <Supercheese> and I only know that because Eddi helped me with it :P 20:56:18 <andythenorth> ah 20:56:22 <andythenorth> I am being a dumbass 20:56:27 <andythenorth> I want type, not class :P 20:56:50 <andythenorth> eddi has identical code in CETS :P 20:57:37 <frosch123> hmm? 20:58:02 <andythenorth> frosch123: sorry, was being an idiot :) 20:58:17 <andythenorth> 50% of my code failure just dissappeared 20:58:31 <frosch123> did you delete half of it? 20:58:41 <andythenorth> harsh 20:58:43 <andythenorth> but probably fair 20:58:51 <frosch123> sorry :) 20:59:54 <andythenorth> yay, it all works now 21:00:00 <andythenorth> the other 50% was ESillyOops 21:03:14 <andythenorth> yay 21:03:15 <andythenorth> works :) 21:03:28 * andythenorth is happy 21:06:37 *** Dr_Tan [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:07:24 *** Dr_Tan [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 21:19:51 <andythenorth> wish I could inspect consists in-game 21:21:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:22:31 *** Dr_Tan [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:22:44 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 21:25:52 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 21:26:54 *** supermop [~daniel_er@rrcs-24-105-140-5.nyc.biz.rr.com] has joined #openttd 21:32:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 21:37:36 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.36.179] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:38:17 *** Dr_Tan [~nat@00179a279bbd.click-network.com] has joined #openttd 21:49:31 *** roadt__ [~roadt@36.7.147.100] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:56:30 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-68-175-24-89.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 22:06:47 *** zydeco [~zydeco@177.70.18.95.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Quit: Miscellaneous hardware exception error] 22:12:10 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6A9D7.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 22:16:42 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-590f670a.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:18:32 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6BD3B.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:27:46 <andythenorth> hmm 22:27:59 <andythenorth> articulated part IDs have to be less than 16000 or so ? 22:28:12 <andythenorth> and articulated building fails silently? 22:28:39 *** Ristovski [~rafael@31.11.106.87] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:34:16 <Elukka> what sort of insanity are you working on if articulated buildings are involved 22:34:18 <Eddi|zuHause> yes and yes 22:34:53 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: do you happen to know the actual limit? Can't find it in docs 22:35:30 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: callback result is 15 bits, the highest bit is reserved for "reverse the vehicle", so you have 14 bits, i.e. 2^14-1 22:35:38 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 2**14-1 22:35:38 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 16383 22:35:50 * andythenorth was obiwan 22:35:55 <andythenorth> counted 13 bits :P 22:36:04 <andythenorth> thanks 22:36:15 <andythenorth> meh, now I have to redesign this set again :) 22:36:18 <andythenorth> oh well 22:36:19 <Eddi|zuHause> @base 16 10 4000 22:36:19 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 16384 22:36:35 <Eddi|zuHause> so must be less than 0x4000 22:44:40 * andythenorth adds an ID guard on compile 23:06:37 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 23:12:07 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 23:21:27 *** Chrill [Chrill@c83-253-81-174.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 23:22:07 <Chrill> quick question. I was playing a MP game with a friend, we wanted to merge our two companies so I saved the game, went into SP and could only buy 75%. Is this limited due to the game originally being multiplayer, or is there some other limit to buying 100% of a company? 23:23:26 <Tulitomaatti> sounds like a configurations option to me. 23:23:45 <Chrill> I tried to find an option regarding 100%/buyout or the like, failed to do so 23:24:05 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.157.220.48] has joined #openttd 23:26:47 <Tulitomaatti> http://wiki.openttd.org/Allow_shares ... though it doesn't go in to much detail. 23:27:21 <Tulitomaatti> and i'm not sure if you can make it ai controlled 23:34:03 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:35:46 <Eddi|zuHause> the usual solution is to let one company go bankrupt 23:36:00 <Chrill> indeed, we might just have to do so 23:36:05 <Eddi|zuHause> like, stop all trains, give all money away, and wait 9 months 23:45:18 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 23:55:46 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Page closed]