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07:02:27  <LeandroL> hi all
07:02:38  <LeandroL> first time here. anybody still up?
07:02:47  <Supercheese> Aye
07:02:50  <Supercheese> Only 11 PM here
07:05:12  <LeandroL> it's 3 am over here
07:05:28  <LeandroL> here = buenos aires, argentina
07:06:08  <Supercheese> Huh, I wouldn't have expected the west coast of South America to be 4 hours ahead of the west coast of North America...
07:06:33  <LeandroL> buenos aires is just one hour behind new york
07:06:35  <Supercheese> Ah, east coast, right
07:06:44  <LeandroL> or one hour ahead? i can't remember now
07:06:53  * Supercheese just confused Chile with Argentina, d'oh
07:07:06  <LeandroL> it's okay, most people do
07:07:33  <LeandroL> we make the same mistake with many american states, if that makes you feel any better :)
07:07:36  <LeandroL> especially the fly over ones
07:08:19  <LeandroL> anyway, i have a very specific question: what's the maximum possible growth rate for a town in openttd 1.3.2? no mods, default rules
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07:20:26  <Supercheese> Hmm, every day I think
07:20:49  <Supercheese> A city with ≈ 5 active stations should grow each day, but don't quote me on that
07:21:56  <Supercheese> Oh, depends on climate
07:22:05  <Supercheese> I'm presuming temperate
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07:31:29  <planetmaker> moin
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07:35:22  <LeandroL> Supercheese: I understand cities grow faster than towns
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07:37:17  <LeandroL> I've started a new game on a map with two cities and I've added 4 bus stations and 1 train station transporting passengers and mail on each city (total: 5 stations per city)
07:37:52  <LeandroL> It's year 1978 and one of the cities grows every 24 days and the other one every 16 days
07:38:07  <LeandroL> population 3005 and 5239, respectively
07:38:20  <LeandroL> how can I make my two towns grow faster?
07:38:30  <planetmaker> town_growth_rate = 4
07:38:35  <planetmaker> is the fastest ;-)
07:38:47  <LeandroL> I've already laid roads around the whole map
07:38:56  <LeandroL> it's a 64x64 map
07:39:05  <planetmaker> 5 stations per city with good service
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07:39:53  <LeandroL> planetmaker: can I get a city size 5000 to daily growth with 5 stations with high ranking?
07:40:25  <planetmaker> you can grow cities to a size of 1 million. But that takes long :-)
07:40:49  <planetmaker> and likely not on a 64^2 map
07:41:58  <LeandroL> planetmaker: yeah, i can imagine. i just want my tiny 64x64 map to become fully covered with buildings
07:42:05  <LeandroL> or as close to that as i can get
07:43:01  <LeandroL> but back to the original question: is it possible to get to daily growth with a town size 5000 and 5 fully serviced stations?
07:43:33  <planetmaker> I don't know to what frequency of growth the growth speed setting translates to
07:44:19  <planetmaker> set the town growth speed in the adv. settings to 'very fast' will speed it up. Default might be 'medium'
07:45:53  <LeandroL> yeah, i did
07:45:54  <LeandroL> thanks for the tip
07:46:10  <planetmaker> don't expect towns to double size in 10 years
07:46:30  <LeandroL> but still, i'm looking for a way to speed up growth under the default settings
07:47:03  <planetmaker> well, you have it :-) You have good service at 5 stations, you provided road layout already, and you have max. growth setting
07:47:12  <LeandroL> doesn't have to be daily growth, but it definitely needs to be faster than every 16 days, which is as fast as i could get for now
07:47:29  <planetmaker> if it's arctic of tropical, you might need to provide some comodities, but the town would tell you
07:47:34  <LeandroL> right
07:48:13  <LeandroL> i'm playing in temperate climate
07:48:52  <LeandroL> i'm still new to openttd
07:50:05  <planetmaker> :-) Town will grow roughly where the distance from the city centre to a free space is closest, when following road
07:52:50  <LeandroL> nice
07:53:00  <LeandroL> in a circular sort of way, as space allows
07:53:30  <planetmaker> well. it's random really. But liklyhood is larger that way
07:54:46  <LeandroL> planetmaker: are you absolutely sure the 5 stations need to be well serviced in order to maximize city growth?
07:55:08  <LeandroL> i've read somewhere that just having one passenger each month already makes a difference
07:56:03  <LeandroL> but i've never seen anything written about increasing the number of passengers transported between stations or say, increasing the station ratings
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08:01:26  <Supercheese> The stations need to be sufficiently close to the town center (town name)
08:01:33  <Supercheese> If they are too far away they will not be counted
08:01:54  <Supercheese> I dunno the exact distance, but the station nameplate needs to be close to the town nameplate
08:02:27  <planetmaker> they need to be serviced
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08:03:42  <planetmaker> i.e. a vehicle must have loaded or unloaded there in the last 20 days
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08:16:04  <LeandroL> cool
08:17:43  <LeandroL> so i could have a couple busses going around city, and it doesn't matter if they make a profit or not; as long as they're loading/unloading at least one passenger on every station that's enough to make the towns grow faster
08:23:05  <Supercheese> yes, as long as the stations are close enough to the town center
08:23:46  <LeandroL> cool
08:24:03  <LeandroL> what else should I have in mind?
08:25:01  <Supercheese> well, you can fund town growth I think
08:25:25  <Supercheese> I never use it though, it seems expensive, short duration, and probably doesn't boost growth above once per day
08:26:03  <Supercheese> anyway, good night
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10:28:31  <Nekrodes> hi everybody :)
10:28:44  <Nekrodes> where can I fill a bug repport for openttd?
10:30:31  <__ln__> it can be decoded from the topic
10:31:20  <Nekrodes> __ln__: thanks, I didn't read it ^^
10:31:53  <Nekrodes> I'm searching for the same bug in the tasklist from the bugs web page
10:32:19  <planetmaker> Nekrodes, bugs.openttd.org
10:32:32  <Nekrodes> thanks, planetmaker, found it ;)
10:32:37  <planetmaker> k :-) what's your issue?
10:33:18  <Nekrodes> in fact when you don't have the right fonts, the menu crashes because it does a zero division
10:34:05  <Nekrodes> It's a dumb issue, but I think it could be corrected easily (or I hope so)
10:35:26  <planetmaker> did you try a nightly version?
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10:35:51  <Nekrodes> nope
10:36:06  <Nekrodes> is it fixed there?
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10:36:28  <planetmaker> Honestly, I'm not sure :-)
10:36:43  <Nekrodes> :)
10:37:26  <Nekrodes> don't worry, planetmaker, I'm searching in the forums, the wiki and in the bug tracker and I think is a known bug ^_^
10:38:11  <planetmaker> well, in case of doubt better report it :-)
10:38:14  <Nekrodes> ah, I'l trying to compile the source in a linux box :)
10:38:24  <planetmaker> you can simply download nightly builds
10:38:29  <Nekrodes> the more, the better :)
10:38:47  <planetmaker> http://www.openttd.org/download-trunk
10:39:27  <Nekrodes> thanks, planetmaker, I'll try them to see if it works
10:40:52  <planetmaker> "not right fonts" means you configured a custom one but that is unavailable?
10:42:06  <Nekrodes> nope, I mean that after compiling the sources and launching the bin, if I use the menu, it crashes
10:42:15  <planetmaker> eh?
10:42:50  <planetmaker> yet, did you configure any font? Or you mean the default sprite font(s)?
10:43:19  <Nekrodes> I mean, when I try to download the openGFX, etc with the default sprite font(s)
10:43:31  <Nekrodes> I didn't configure any font in the cfg config file
10:44:05  <Nekrodes> s/didn't/don't/
10:44:47  <planetmaker> k, so the downloading of the (required) base set fails
10:45:10  <Nekrodes> yes, I think
10:46:10  <planetmaker> not sure whether that's actually solved so far. I heard something similar some time ago... linux?
10:47:49  <Nekrodes> yep, linux
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10:49:06  <Nekrodes> don't worry, I'll continue to search, but I wanted you to know :)
10:50:00  <planetmaker> well. Feel free to report *and* continue the search :-)
10:50:31  <planetmaker> If you find anything insightful you can always comment on an existing issue. Or even request closure, if you think it turned out invalid
10:50:35  <Nekrodes> planetmaker: I do, thanks for your help ;)
10:50:50  <planetmaker> but if there's no issue, it's likely to be forgotten :-)
10:50:57  <Nekrodes> :p
10:52:18  <planetmaker> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5711?project=1&status[0]=open&order=tasktype&sort=asc maybe?
10:54:38  <Nekrodes> yes, but in linux :)
10:55:06  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25918 trunk/src/signs_gui.cpp (2013-10-28 10:05:00 UTC)
10:55:07  <DorpsGek> -Fix: Center the edit sign window like all query windows. (Juanjo)
10:55:11  <Nekrodes> I think also that the crash is generated by a zero font size or when there's no font
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11:18:30  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25919 trunk/src/autoreplace_gui.cpp (2013-10-28 10:28:24 UTC)
11:18:31  <DorpsGek> -Change [FS#5734]: Preselect the current replacement in the right-side list of the autoreplace GUI, instead of selecting the first resp. previous item.
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11:30:57  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25920 trunk/src/story_gui.cpp (2013-10-28 10:40:52 UTC)
11:30:58  <DorpsGek> -Fix: Story page content was clipped incorrectly and was drawn past the bottom end.
11:32:03  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25921 trunk/src/goal_gui.cpp (2013-10-28 10:41:57 UTC)
11:32:04  <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5763]: Goal and progress columns were out of sync for company specific goals, if there were no global goals.
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11:45:40  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25922 /trunk/src (3 files) (2013-10-28 10:55:34 UTC)
11:45:41  <DorpsGek> -Codechange: Rename TOWN_IS_FUNDED to TOWN_IS_GROWING. It is not tied to funding a town.
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11:53:19  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25923 trunk/src/script/api/script_town.hpp (2013-10-28 11:03:13 UTC)
11:53:20  <DorpsGek> -Fix: [NoGo] Documentation for GSTown::SetGrowthRate
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11:59:08  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25924 /trunk/src/script/api (script_town.cpp script_town.hpp) (2013-10-28 11:09:02 UTC)
11:59:09  <DorpsGek> -Fix: [Script] Documentation for ScriptTown::GetGrowthRate.
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11:59:43  <planetmaker> \o/ commit spree
12:06:18  <peter1138> This Marigold storyline is quite painful.
12:06:20  <frosch123> @calc 0xFFFF * 70 / 74
12:06:20  <DorpsGek> frosch123: 61992.5675676
12:10:13  <__ln__> we have storylines in openttd?
12:10:23  <peter1138> What's openttd?
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12:53:01  <LordAro> frosch123: regarding r25920, you probably want to fix textfile_gui.cpp as well, since i copied it from story_gui.cpp :L
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13:05:49  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25925 trunk/src/textfile_gui.cpp (2013-10-28 12:15:44 UTC)
13:05:50  <DorpsGek> -Fix: Textfile content was clipped incorrectly and was drawn past the bottom end. (LordAro)
13:05:57  <LordAro> :)
13:06:15  <LordAro> the whole section should probably be refactored out
13:06:22  <frosch123> if you copy&paste code, i'll copy&paste commit messages :p
13:10:00  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25926 trunk/src/lang/english.txt (2013-10-28 12:19:55 UTC)
13:10:01  <DorpsGek> -Change: capacious -> high-capacity.
13:12:24  <LordAro> hey, i didn't approve it for committing :p
13:13:04  <frosch123> my ego was capacious enough for that decision :)
13:13:22  <Xaroth|Work> spacious
13:13:42  <frosch123> spacious suggests empty :p
13:13:50  <Xaroth|Work> true that
13:14:12  <LordAro> :p
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13:49:49  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25927 trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp (2013-10-28 12:59:44 UTC)
13:49:50  <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5733]: Consider size of signal sprites for sizing the signal GUI. (based on patch by adf88)
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13:54:39  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25928 trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp (2013-10-28 13:04:34 UTC)
13:54:40  <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5733]: Reserve enough space for two digits of signal density. (adf88)
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14:06:54  <alluke> aaarrrghhh
14:07:06  <alluke> why does ttrs show old road graphics in multiplayer
14:07:12  <alluke> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1004368/fuuuuuu.png
14:10:00  <alluke> cant deal with it
14:10:29  <peter1138> Welcome to NewGRFs and multiplayer safety.
14:12:23  <alluke> t. hanks but is there any way to change this?
14:13:02  <Belugas> gello
14:13:05  <Belugas> hem..
14:13:08  <Belugas> hello
14:13:12  <Xaroth|Work> o/ Belugas
14:13:33  <Belugas> sir Xaroth :)
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14:22:57  <Rubidium> alluke: yes, start the game late enough that the old style isn't used at the beginning
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14:29:25  <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r25929 trunk/src/rail_gui.cpp (2013-10-28 13:39:18 UTC)
14:29:26  <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5733]: Position signal sprites size-aware in the signal GUI, that is: Center sprites horizontally, and align the vertical reference point at some baseline which centers the tallest sprite.
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17:16:07  <juzza1>  <B>Postage estimate for priority deliveries:</B>
17:16:07  <juzza1> <BR>
17:16:07  <juzza1> <BR>
17:16:26  <juzza1> whoops
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17:24:00  <frosch123> someone is not using xhtml!
17:32:33  <peter1138> Uppercase tags, too...
17:32:53  <peter1138> I guess juzza1 has been waiting 15 years for that delivery, based on the HTML...
17:37:11  <NGC3982> Living on the bottom floor with panorama windows is not preferable this evening.
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18:26:00  <Terkhen> hello
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19:05:37  <zydeco> greetings, comrades
19:07:55  <Eddi|zuHause> Cormorants?
19:09:44  <zydeco> them too
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19:21:02  <Wolf01> moin
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20:03:28  <andythenorth> hmmm
20:03:32  <andythenorth> Europe is so....tidy
20:03:33  <andythenorth> http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=456535&nseq=36
20:03:50  <andythenorth> Rhineland shots always look like a Faller catalogue or something
20:05:44  <andythenorth> herp, I should have used the Faller site for FIRS http://www.faller.de/App/WebObjects/XSeMIPS.woa/cms/page/pid.14.17.89/agid.1127.1202/ecm.ag/Trade-business-industry.html
20:06:08  <planetmaker> andythenorth, well... that's one of the regions which people actually *do* put on post cards :-). Quite a lot
20:07:37  <frosch123> br103 is everyones favorite anyway
20:08:10  <frosch123> hmm, photographed only three weeks ago
20:08:13  <frosch123> so they still roll
20:08:13  * planetmaker likes the chameleon ;-)
20:09:18  <frosch123> andy's python framework?
20:10:17  <planetmaker> One of V's engines ;-)
20:10:38  <frosch123> does it change color according to purr tracks?
20:10:52  <planetmaker> I think it was that one. But I always get confused by names :-)
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22:13:14  <Wolf01> 'night
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