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06:57:58 <planetmaker> good morning also :) 06:59:31 <andythenorth> planetmaker: the plan is to generate multiple Iron Horse grfs from one codebase - one grf per 'roster' (Brit, Euro, North American etc) 06:59:39 <andythenorth> this was thought to be be better than lots of parameters 06:59:55 <andythenorth> I can handle the python side of this, but the makefile needs thought :) 06:59:58 <andythenorth> for that I have zero plan 07:01:17 <andythenorth> hmm 07:01:18 <andythenorth> could cheat 07:01:28 <andythenorth> wrap the current makefile in another makefile 07:01:42 <andythenorth> pass the required set as an arg var 07:01:48 <planetmaker> why is it bad to have a region parameter like 2ccTrainSet? 07:01:52 <andythenorth> repeatedly call the existing makefile 07:02:02 <andythenorth> planetmaker: not sure, I am +/- 0 on how to do this 07:02:22 <andythenorth> there was a consensus here that multiple grfs are better 07:02:39 <andythenorth> it also eliminates an ID problem 07:03:16 <planetmaker> id problem? 07:03:26 <planetmaker> you mean you need more than 8k articulated vehicle IDs? 07:03:37 <andythenorth> Dan has plans for 15 different rosters 07:03:39 <andythenorth> or so 07:03:46 <andythenorth> each uses 1k IDs 07:04:01 <andythenorth> I could make it work in one grf 07:06:48 <andythenorth> it's easier to not worry about IDs though :) 07:08:05 <planetmaker> well. with 1k IDs you're still good for 7 times more 07:08:14 <andythenorth> limit is actually up around 16k or so 07:08:17 <planetmaker> and that's only articulated 07:08:19 <andythenorth> these days :) 07:08:28 <planetmaker> 16 even? well then 07:08:35 <andythenorth> yeah, it's not a blocking issue 07:09:08 <andythenorth> compile time (for a single grf) would be better with multiple grfs (if that makes sense) 07:09:13 <andythenorth> but that's not a blocking issue either 07:09:19 <andythenorth> there's no blocking issue that forces this 07:10:34 <planetmaker> see, I fear config problems as people have with all the ECS NewGRFs 07:10:55 <V453000> XD 8k articulated vehicles? :DDD 07:10:56 <andythenorth> yeah, that's why FIRS is all one grf 07:10:57 <V453000> wtf :DD 07:11:21 <andythenorth> V453000: 3 IDs per 'unit' 07:11:29 <V453000> thats still 2k+ ... 07:11:40 <andythenorth> some engines are made up of 2-3 units 07:11:44 <V453000> how could possibly that be reasonable :D 07:11:56 <V453000> well you can articulate the same vehicle and just change sprites? 07:12:17 <andythenorth> nah 07:12:22 <andythenorth> the props don't work 07:12:27 <andythenorth> cb36 doesn't cover all cases 07:12:34 <andythenorth> tried it :) 07:13:14 <V453000> well then do ships on rails 07:13:17 <V453000> that solves everything 07:13:21 <andythenorth> ho ho ho 07:13:21 *** Pecio [~fgh@agjk170.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 07:13:36 <andythenorth> it's <1K IDs for an actual 'roster' that you'd use in game 07:13:51 <V453000> like 1k vehicles? 07:13:51 <andythenorth> last count, I had a full 'brit' set in 500 IDs 07:13:55 <V453000> ... 07:13:57 <V453000> :D 07:14:17 <V453000> I mean, nuts has like 100 trains and it already feels like proper hell of a lot 07:14:30 <andythenorth> this is 50, including all wagons and metro 07:14:41 <andythenorth> we have some narrow gauge and maglev to add still 07:14:46 <V453000> 50 using tha many IDs? 07:14:59 <andythenorth> yes 07:15:05 <V453000> :ddddd 07:15:34 <planetmaker> 10 IDs per vehicle? 07:16:05 <V453000> im assuming you code each tender/thing/part of train as separate thing 07:16:11 <V453000> with own id 07:16:47 <andythenorth> yes 07:17:12 <andythenorth> well, each thing gets 3 IDs 07:18:12 <planetmaker> well, makes it easy, and IDs are cheap 07:18:41 <planetmaker> If you want to make several grfs, indeed I recommend to use a recursive make which builds them one by one each 07:19:02 <andythenorth> seems simplest 07:19:02 <peter1138> Which twerp increased the ID limit? 07:19:52 <planetmaker> probably as player, one grf with a few simple boolean parameters is what I'd like for this case. It's all the same kind of vehicles from the same author and set. So meh to many clicks 07:20:32 <planetmaker> if another grf needs to know it then could read the parameters 07:20:56 <andythenorth> sometimes I think a container format for multiple grfs would be useful :P 07:21:05 <andythenorth> with an action 14 to configure them 07:21:10 <andythenorth> but meh 07:21:18 <andythenorth> V453000: probably not interesting, but http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/iron-horse/push/LATEST/docs/html/code_reference.html 07:21:44 <planetmaker> that's what ecs basically does... and container format is tar. Might even allow several grf inside, dunno 07:22:13 <V453000> (: 07:22:48 <V453000> I clearly understand that The Cow Jumped Over the Moon 07:22:59 <V453000> thanks 07:23:02 <andythenorth> yeah, $someone needs to write some buy menu text 07:23:31 <andythenorth> the plan is to have this done for christmas 07:23:34 <andythenorth> quite a bit to do :P 07:23:39 <V453000> good luck :D 07:23:42 <planetmaker> hoho 07:23:47 <V453000> my plan is not to do anything till christmas :D 07:26:50 *** George [~George@212.113.107.39] has joined #openttd 07:38:01 *** namad7 [aaaaa@pool-173-75-27-114.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:38:27 *** namad7 [aaaaa@pool-173-75-27-114.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 07:43:56 <planetmaker> bbl 07:48:51 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:01:44 *** Pecio [~fgh@agjk170.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #openttd [] 08:03:14 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.189] has quit [] 08:12:26 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:42:46 *** onezero [~user@0001c18e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:44:48 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: c('~' )o] 08:46:35 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.37.92] has joined #openttd 08:51:26 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:51:29 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 08:58:48 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.153.186] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 09:08:44 *** Pecio [~fgh@agjk170.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 09:20:30 *** Gethiox [~gethiox@eks175.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 09:33:46 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 09:39:24 *** onezero [~user@0001c18e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:47:07 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-150-26-69.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:49:21 *** Pecio [~fgh@agjk170.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #openttd [] 10:10:11 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@zeroshell2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 10:19:23 *** jjavaholic__ [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:21:39 *** ST2 [~ST2@bl20-239-91.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:22:01 *** ST2 [~ST2@2.81.239.91] has joined #openttd 10:25:41 <__ln__> http://www.studentwork.fi/tyopaikat/job/?id=10063 10:28:05 <Xaroth|Work> native speaker of latin? haha 10:28:43 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 10:29:44 <TinoDidriksen> Native level is achievable, but that's still a crazy position. 10:31:17 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.37.92] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:31:31 <Xaroth|Work> for a dead language, it'll be pretty hard to be a native latin speaker 10:32:00 <TinoDidriksen> Yes, but not "native level" 10:32:08 <TinoDidriksen> There's a distinction. 10:32:21 <andythenorth> vatican city? :P 10:32:57 *** Pecio [~fgh@agjk170.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 10:43:39 *** onezero [~user@0001c18e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:44:24 *** onezero [~user@0001c18e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:44:38 *** abchirk_ [~abchirk@g225005113.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:48:05 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6AAB8.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:58:51 *** Gethiox2 [~gethiox@ekq70.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #openttd 11:04:42 *** Gethiox [~gethiox@eks175.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:51:15 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:26:23 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:30:12 *** TheMask96 [martijn@89.104.166.235] has joined #openttd 12:36:29 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-90-94.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 12:42:46 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:56:47 *** Superuser [~superuser@cpc11-lewi15-2-0-cust98.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 12:57:13 *** Superuser [~superuser@cpc11-lewi15-2-0-cust98.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 13:00:12 *** Gethiox2 [~gethiox@ekq70.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #openttd [WeeChat 0.4.2] 13:07:55 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@78.97.205.68] has joined #openttd 13:37:30 *** Ristovski [~rafael@89.205.3.77] has joined #openttd 13:55:52 *** wakou [~stephen@host86-184-226-144.range86-184.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 13:55:52 *** Pecio [~fgh@agjk170.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #openttd [] 13:59:15 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-150-26-69.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:09:11 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Quit: adf88] 14:13:08 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 14:44:12 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 14:59:10 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 15:12:05 *** onezero [~user@0001c18e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:12:36 *** Fuco [foobar@server.dasnet.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:16:42 <Eddi|zuHause> http://hobia.com/img/article/gebackene-iPhones.jpg 15:18:53 <peter1138> Sounds like asking for trouble. 15:24:30 * andythenorth hums a tune 15:31:25 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.37.92] has joined #openttd 15:39:14 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 15:44:34 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 16:01:12 *** Takumo [~Takumo@immerse.adamek.me] has left #openttd [WeeChat 0.4.2] 16:19:35 *** KouDy_ [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:23:18 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 16:31:19 *** Alice3 [~Alice@cpc18-grim14-2-0-cust478.12-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:31:39 *** Japa_ [~Japa@112.79.36.112] has joined #openttd 16:37:54 *** Japa [~Japa@112.79.37.92] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:38:33 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19185.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:51:50 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.17.18.23] has quit [Quit: when you will install AdiIRC? 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o_O 18:30:48 <Eddi|zuHause> play civ :) 18:30:53 <andythenorth> heresy 18:32:03 <V453000> wet tech? 18:32:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i think research/"tech levels" is too far of a gameplay change. you can't just put it on top of the current game. you invalidate too many current assumptions of the game internals 18:33:22 <andythenorth> which assumptions? 18:33:40 <andythenorth> shall we make a list? o_O 18:34:01 <Eddi|zuHause> the whole foundation of what an "engine" is 18:34:25 <andythenorth> you mean in the train sense, or the game sense? 18:34:46 <Eddi|zuHause> in how the newgrf defines its properties 18:34:55 <V453000> engine code: unlocked, engine sprites: unlocked 18:34:56 <V453000> :DDD 18:35:20 <V453000> bugs in sprites: requires further research 18:35:27 <andythenorth> V453000: no, you have to buy more in-game credits, for real ⬠18:35:30 <andythenorth> :P 18:35:41 <andythenorth> "unlock your DLC" 18:35:49 <andythenorth> or do 3 days pointless farming 18:36:20 <andythenorth> "click 900 times to unlock a new crate" 18:36:38 <glx> of course xp gain is daily caped 18:38:21 *** LeandroL [~leandro@190.189.0.224] has joined #openttd 18:39:26 <andythenorth> the only problem I see - and it's a biggish one - is tech equivalence across sets 18:39:36 <andythenorth> tech levels demands a GS to run it 18:39:45 <andythenorth> and the GS has no fricking idea what the newgrf author intends 18:39:52 <V453000> :D 18:40:00 <andythenorth> although it's a moot point probably, because we're not exactly drowning in GS authors 18:40:22 <V453000> the only problem I see is that you easily have tech through introduction dates already :P 18:41:35 <frosch123> what to do on 13-12-11 ? 18:42:11 <Eddi|zuHause> the only way you can implement "tech levels" by interacting with current game mechanics is taking the introduction date and make it depend on some kind of achievement level. but that is pointless, because to make "useful" tech levels you need something to diversify, so you can focus more on diesel, or more on electric, more on speed, or more on power... 18:42:26 <Eddi|zuHause> and that's all not possible with the way things work currently 18:43:22 <Pinkbeast> It would be hard also to avoid "impossible" outcomes where you got Kings before Castles or something like that 18:43:50 <Pinkbeast> ... with real vehicle sets obv. 18:43:53 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: I had no concept of research 18:44:03 <andythenorth> Pinkbeast: so what? :) 18:44:27 <andythenorth> I just thought of doing unlocks against achievements, whilst also solving daylength 18:44:31 <Pinkbeast> andythenorth: So someone playing with real vehicle sets probably cares, no? 18:44:40 <andythenorth> well they are wrong by default 18:44:44 <andythenorth> so we can ignore them 18:44:45 <andythenorth> it' ok :) 18:44:54 <andythenorth> anyway, two birds, one stone 18:45:19 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26156 trunk/src/lang/luxembourgish.txt (2013-12-11 18:45:11 UTC) 18:45:20 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:21 <DorpsGek> luxembourgish - 4 changes by Phreeze 18:45:35 <Eddi|zuHause> there's only two options: "realism" or "wetrails" 18:45:40 <andythenorth> he he 18:45:46 <Eddi|zuHause> there is no middle ground 18:45:54 <andythenorth> do not go in the middle of the road 18:45:58 <andythenorth> Pinkbeast I think that's a non-issue, unless the engines are in separate grfs 18:46:11 <andythenorth> and if you don't like, turn off tech levels :P 18:46:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i did that once 18:46:42 <andythenorth> ? 18:46:50 <Eddi|zuHause> we were on vacation in austria, and our car broke down. it was late and no traffic whatsoever 18:47:17 <Eddi|zuHause> and the police stopped me: "why are you going in the middle of the road" .. "well i'm bored" 18:47:35 <Eddi|zuHause> i was about 12 or so 18:48:11 <andythenorth> anyway meh 18:48:14 <andythenorth> :) 18:48:20 <andythenorth> we probably have enough features 18:48:23 <andythenorth> let's not have more :P 18:48:29 <andythenorth> in fact can we remove any? 18:48:36 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: don't waste your energy on "tech levels", that is my opinion 18:48:49 <andythenorth> I am +0.3 18:48:57 <andythenorth> I just think GS is really crippled currently 18:49:17 <andythenorth> and we could stop talking about daylenght 18:49:21 <andythenorth> daylength * 18:49:35 <andythenorth> and we could have vehicles be available at the same time when they need to 18:49:50 <Eddi|zuHause> just look at how the first 5 years of newgrf development look "crippled" from current perspective 18:56:28 <andythenorth> still does :D 18:57:38 <andythenorth> except for trains :P 18:57:47 <Eddi|zuHause> as soon as it does not, development stops :p 18:58:03 <andythenorth> I have accepted defeat 18:58:08 <andythenorth> I am now making a train set 18:58:18 <andythenorth> you can only stay on a losing path for so long :P 18:58:27 <andythenorth> it's the V453000 solution 19:00:11 <George> Error: 500 Internal Server Error 19:00:11 <George> 19:00:12 <George> Sorry, the requested URL 'http://translator.openttdcoop.org, translator.openttdcoop.org/string/xussrset/ru_RU/STR_CAN_ATTACH_NO_AFTER_MIDDLE_UNIT' caused an error: 19:00:14 <George> 19:00:16 <George> Internal Server Error 19:00:22 <V453000> waaat :) 19:00:51 <V453000> not my fault every idiot makes realizmFTW train sets 19:04:17 <andythenorth> trains also have a better spec 19:06:02 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 19:14:09 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 19:14:12 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 19:16:42 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 19:19:28 *** adf89 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has 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outdated, btw ;) 20:06:32 <Wolf01> a little... and my site's news too 20:07:29 <andythenorth> one day 20:07:40 <andythenorth> I will teach my text editor to auto-indent other people's code :( 20:07:52 <Wolf01> mine does 20:07:57 <andythenorth> soooo bored of tab and shift tab 20:11:18 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 20:12:46 <Wolf01> yay I got another google +1 on my site... 20:13:34 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 20:14:27 * Alberth is happy for Wolf01 20:14:43 <frosch123> @topic set 1 1.3.3 20:14:44 *** DorpsGek changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.3.3 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: vcs, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only | #openttd.dev for dev-talk | #openttd.notice for commit notices 20:16:07 <Wolf01> it's the 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22:11:14 <stanek> which vcs should I use to check out source code? I see there are svn, git, and hg mirrors, but which does the project recommend? 22:12:32 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 22:14:06 <frosch123> that depends on what you want to do with it 22:15:05 <frosch123> if you want to build them only without modifying the source, you likely want svn, because only svn has the releases and the nightlies are versioned according to svn 22:15:23 <frosch123> if you want to change code, you are way better off with a distributed vcs, like git or hg 22:15:24 <stanek> I want to do some development 22:15:24 <planetmaker> stanek, if you want to simply re-build an official version: use svn. If you want to toy around with source and patch etc, then use hg or git 22:15:30 <frosch123> which actually support merging 22:15:38 <stanek> ah ok. 22:16:03 <frosch123> in this channel hg + mq is likely the most popular thing 22:16:14 <stanek> I'm quite partial to git myself :) 22:16:18 <frosch123> but some people insist on using git 22:17:08 <frosch123> well, if you are used to git, just use it :) 22:17:56 *** Ristovski [~rafael@89.205.3.77] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:19:50 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.17.18.23] has quit [Quit: (._. ) ( ._.) ( '-') ('-' ) Are you using AdiIRC? [www.adiirc.com]] 22:20:16 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.17.18.23] has joined #openttd 22:22:23 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:25:05 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3A93.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 22:25:23 *** Jomann [~abchirk@f052226198.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #openttd 22:27:39 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d011b53.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:28:45 *** stanek [~megakackt@71-215-200-23.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:30:56 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19185.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37:34 <Wolf01> 'night 22:37:38 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:56:22 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has joined #openttd 22:56:43 <alluke> whats the max image file size allowed on tt-forums 22:56:55 <alluke> or is .gif allowed format 23:02:39 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6AAB8.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:12:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i think max file size was 6MB 23:12:10 <Eddi|zuHause> and what do you need .gif for? 23:12:21 <Eddi|zuHause> is this the '90s? 23:12:49 <NGC3982> If only. 23:13:31 <alluke> i have an animated 19.8 mb screenshot 23:13:33 <alluke> 2 frames 23:13:52 <alluke> 7680x1702 23:14:20 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah that won't work :p 23:14:27 <alluke> fucking fuck 23:14:41 <LordAro> wat. 23:15:05 <alluke> should i ask if owen gives me an exemption 23:15:40 <LordAro> don't think he can 23:15:46 <LordAro> just upload it somewhere else 23:15:59 <alluke> could 23:16:01 <Eddi|zuHause> alluke: file size is a server-wide configuration issue 23:16:14 <alluke> i see if i can split the frames 23:16:15 <alluke> ok 23:16:31 <LordAro> google gif compressors too 23:16:38 <Eddi|zuHause> alluke: and why does it have to be animated? 23:16:55 <Eddi|zuHause> just make two files? 23:16:56 <alluke> builsings/trees on and off 23:17:08 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:17:09 <alluke> those ttrs skyscrapers cover too much stuff 23:17:12 <alluke> trying 23:17:12 <Eddi|zuHause> and then cut each image into 4 23:17:48 <glx> ttrs is just out of scale 23:17:50 <Eddi|zuHause> alluke: that is no reason to make things animated 23:18:33 <Eddi|zuHause> why do you think i could see more in an image that flickers every 2 seconds than in one where it's steady all the time? 23:19:11 <alluke> you see the changes without moving between two files 23:19:36 <alluke> hold on 23:19:49 <Eddi|zuHause> but i see the exact same changes by alt-tabbing two browser windows 23:20:18 <Eddi|zuHause> doesn't have to force an animation down my throat for that 23:20:32 <alluke> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1004368/metronetwork.gif see yourself 23:21:52 <Eddi|zuHause> yes exactly 23:22:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i totally lose orientation while scrolling 23:22:12 <Eddi|zuHause> because the image completely changes every 2 seconds 23:22:25 <alluke> i ca cgange it to 5 or 10 seconds too 23:22:43 <Eddi|zuHause> that does not help at all 23:23:18 <alluke> yeah 23:23:22 <Eddi|zuHause> unless you can make it so it only changes when pressing 'X', it's completely useless to combine the two pictures in one 23:23:32 <alluke> split image is 9.3 mb per frame 23:23:35 <NGC3982> Bah. 23:23:42 <alluke> i guess i need jpeg compression 23:23:43 <NGC3982> I can't find any Glados sound pack from Portal. 23:24:00 <Eddi|zuHause> DO NOT EVER USE JPEG FOR SCREENSHOTS!!! 23:24:42 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/JQEX0Tg.png 23:25:10 <alluke> i must if the filesize gets too big 23:25:23 <glx> jpeg tends to make signals hard to determine 23:25:46 <Eddi|zuHause> jpeg tends to make screenshots bigger 23:25:47 <alluke> they arent important in this case 23:25:58 <Eddi|zuHause> and more blurry 23:26:24 <glx> oh and use internal screenshot feature :) 23:26:25 <Eddi|zuHause> and png has better compression than gif 23:26:42 <NGC3982> Also, make sure you do it on a modern computer 23:26:48 <NGC3982> The bits are faster 23:27:15 <glx> but don't try a giant screenshot 23:27:26 <glx> (it's dangerous) 23:28:52 <glx> (eats all memory and swap a lot for a long time) 23:29:22 <Eddi|zuHause> only if you try it on maps larger than 256x256 :p 23:29:59 <glx> 256x256 is already a lot of pixels 23:30:14 <NGC3982> Also, make sure to do it on a Mac 23:30:18 <NGC3982> Since it's more enviromental 23:31:04 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 256*256*64*16*4 23:31:04 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 268435456 23:31:15 <Eddi|zuHause> @calc 256*256*64*16*4/1024**2 23:31:15 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: 256 23:31:32 <Eddi|zuHause> 256MB in uncompressed images should be handleable 23:31:42 <alluke> single frame is 10.5 mb :( 23:32:02 <Eddi|zuHause> alluke: so cut it in half 23:33:03 <alluke> saved it again in preview and the filesize dropped to 8.6 for some reason 23:35:10 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:39:40 *** Pereba_ [~UserNick@177.159.35.130] has joined #openttd 23:40:18 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.17.18.23] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:20 *** Pereba_ is now known as Pereba 23:42:38 <alluke> jpe'd them 23:42:41 <alluke> haters gonna hate 23:43:41 <alluke> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1004368/metroon.jpg 23:43:49 <alluke> thats the one with more compression 23:43:56 <alluke> does it look horrible? 23:44:26 <LordAro> assume yes 23:44:47 <alluke> my metros look like turds on rails now :D 23:45:14 <alluke> no more bright orange 23:46:14 <alluke> good enough 23:46:48 <alluke> how to name the pictures 23:46:59 <alluke> (houses) on/off sounds a bit dumb 23:50:38 *** Hazzard [~oftc-webi@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 23:59:15 *** alluke [~oftc-webi@cs181208223.pp.htv.fi] has quit [Quit: Page closed]