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08:25:17 <dihedral> yes __ln__ 08:25:31 <__ln__> not that much belated then 08:25:31 <dihedral> you seem to have aged ;-) 08:37:22 *** Virtual [~Virtual@95.44.116.115] has joined #openttd 08:38:13 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 08:48:31 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:48:58 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.80.103] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:49:28 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.80.103] has joined #openttd 08:54:59 *** roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.94.83] has joined #openttd 09:03:32 <planetmaker> happy new year to you, too, dihedral :) 09:04:21 <dihedral> hey pm :-) 09:04:24 <dihedral> how are you? 09:04:50 <planetmaker> fine, thanks :) I hope, you, too? 09:04:56 <V453000> \o/ happy stuff dih 09:05:24 <__ln__> http://gizmodo.com/i-wore-the-new-oculus-rift-and-i-never-want-to-look-at-1496569598 09:15:45 <NGC3982> Oculust Rift sounds like a spell in Final Fantasy. 09:17:24 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.214.57.44] has joined #openttd 09:23:54 *** Japa [~Japa@117.214.57.44] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:29:30 <dihedral> everything is great here, just loads of work 09:31:13 *** LSky` [~LSky@5ED5A444.cm-7-6c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 09:31:24 <peter1139> This coffee smells of burned-out scalextric motors 09:31:43 <LordAro> yummy 09:33:24 <NGC3982> That sounds fantastic. 09:33:31 <peter1139> I'm gonna tip it :S 09:37:09 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.80.103] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 09:45:52 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:52:51 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.101.182] has joined #openttd 09:59:04 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.214.57.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:13:59 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:19:45 *** GriffinOneTwo [~oftc-webi@68.125.219.29] has joined #openttd 10:32:43 *** roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.94.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:35:30 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 11:14:04 *** TheMask96- [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:16:54 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 11:22:48 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 11:34:15 *** Burty [~burtybob@host-212-159-132-63.static.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 11:35:07 <Burty> Are people all dead on the forums these days? i'm sure they used to be really active in the OTTD section 11:36:06 <Xaroth|Work> probably at work 11:36:29 <planetmaker> forums are to my experience still quite lively 11:37:56 <Flygon> Ah, that reminds me 11:38:01 <planetmaker> but I don't get why you make another posting in the suggestions forum, Burty 11:38:02 <Flygon> I 100% forgot to reopen the forums tab 11:38:03 <Flygon> Y'know 11:38:11 <Flygon> I always liked seeing people screenshot their networks 11:38:15 <Flygon> But then I look at my netowkr 11:38:19 <planetmaker> on the same topic as you started in the development one 11:38:20 <Flygon> And I think "What a piece of junk" 11:38:34 <Flygon> But then I realize 11:38:41 <Flygon> People might think of their networks the same way? 11:38:44 <Flygon> Really, it's confusing 11:38:55 <Flygon> Ultimately 11:38:56 <planetmaker> depends on what you aim for, Flygon :) 11:38:58 <Flygon> The point is 11:39:04 <Flygon> The Thunderbirds theme is stuck in my head 11:39:13 <Flygon> And whoever was handling the strings was doing them really well 11:39:48 <Flygon> planetmaker: Given I'm doing that Europe scenario the German made, people would be complaining at the convoluted urban sprawl Helsinki became 11:40:02 <Flygon> OTTD really needs slower growth settings than "Slow", but not quite "None" @_@ 11:40:14 <Burty> planetmaker I made one in the suggestions forum to get more of a discussion going on "more" to do with the shares and try to keep the dev one more code/patch related. Also I know some players tend to look at the Suggestions more than development so was hoping that I'd get player ideas 11:40:16 <Flygon> Even better, I should become unlazy and learn to do something about that personally :P 11:48:41 <Flygon> I'm gonna ask a dumb question 11:48:50 <Flygon> Does the weight factor for freight affect passengers too? 11:54:20 <Burty> I would believe (in theory) it should 11:54:39 <Pinkbeast> Flygon: No. (90% sure). 11:54:45 <Flygon> Hmm 11:54:46 <Flygon> Alright 11:55:01 <planetmaker> I think it does not. But I only play with that on extremely rare occasions 11:55:44 <Flygon> There's no way to universally slow down the acceleration of the trains then? 11:55:59 <Flygon> Because it's a tad jarring seeing DMU's hitting their top speed while segments are still inside the station 11:56:11 <Burty> This might sound daft: is it best to put my patch on both FS and TT net? If(FS == true) shall I add/revive TheJoshs old FS ticket with the updated patch? 11:56:41 <Pinkbeast> Flygon: Time and distance scales in OTTD are a Bit Odd but you could use NuTracks and build stations from low speed tracks. 11:57:08 <Flygon> Hmm 11:57:14 <Flygon> Yeah, I am aware of the scales 11:57:36 <Flygon> The game I'm in, it's a bit late to pull such shenanigans, anyway (using FRISS)... that, and with some of the station layouts I have 11:57:53 <Flygon> The pathfinder would get extremely confused if there was multiple track speeds 11:57:55 <Flygon> Soooo... yeah 11:58:00 <Flygon> Either way, thanks for the help 11:58:22 <Flygon> It'd be neat if there was a setting to universally slow down acceleration (without affecting hill climbing ability), either way :) 11:58:52 <Pinkbeast> I don't believe there is (and the freight multiplier wouldn't do it because pax are a tiny proportion of train weight). 11:59:07 <Flygon> (obviously trains that have low tractive effort that hit a hill at low speed would be completely screwed if they haven't accelerated fast enough compared to a 'normal' game, but... you get my point) 11:59:23 <Flygon> Freight multiplier also affects hill climbing ability 11:59:29 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:00:14 <Pinkbeast> Flygon: I'm just referring back to the question you originally asked. If freight multiplier did affect pax, it wouldn't make a lot of difference. 12:00:26 <Flygon> Oh! Right 12:00:31 <Flygon> I forgot I asked that question >_<" 12:00:32 <Flygon> Sorry! 12:00:44 <Flygon> I have a very single tracked mind, sorry 12:01:04 <Flygon> I have less tracks in my mind than an Australian railway line 12:01:05 <Pinkbeast> Well, pass the staff to another thought, then. :-) 12:01:22 <Flygon> Eh. We abolished staff operation here... last year 12:01:28 <Flygon> On suburban EMU services 12:01:34 <Flygon> ...we're a bit behind the times :| 12:01:54 <Pinkbeast> There's still plenty of electronic token operation here, but I don't think any staffs out of preservation. 12:02:11 <Flygon> I meant actual physical staffs 12:02:26 <Flygon> The rest of the network had automatic block systems going on 12:02:34 <Flygon> The Hurstbridge line is just unusual 12:02:39 <Pinkbeast> Ah, "electronic" token has a physical token. 12:03:48 <Flygon> Yeah, we got rid of electronic token before we got rid of staff working 12:04:30 <Flygon> What makes this even more confusing was that the physical staff working remained, even when all the signals became remotely controlled 12:05:00 <Flygon> Optical signalling, mind 12:05:17 <Pinkbeast> Er. For single-line working I hope that having _a_ physical object will remain the case indefinitely. 12:05:43 <Flygon> Yeah, Hurstbridge is single track 12:06:02 <Flygon> I'm expecting it to become double track within 50 years 12:06:12 <Flygon> Dunno about Europe, but in Australia, 50 years is bloody fast 12:06:19 <Flygon> Also, in Australia, bloody is a swear word 12:06:27 <Flygon> Suck it up, ya bloody Brits :D 12:06:31 <Flygon> isn't 12:06:34 <Flygon> It ISN'T a swear word 12:06:39 <Flygon> My god, how did I stuff that up 12:06:42 * Flygon cowers in shame 12:09:22 <Pinkbeast> It's barely a swearword here. 12:10:08 <Flygon> Oh! 12:10:27 <Flygon> ...why were those "Where the Bloody Hell Are You" ads controversial, then? 12:11:02 <Pinkbeast> It _is_ one, and "hell" is slightly ruder, and some people will complain about anything. 12:11:18 <Pinkbeast> And... OK, I don't watch TV, but I have no memory of any such controversy. 12:12:39 * Pinkbeast reads. The authorities can be a bit po-faced about that sort of thing. 12:15:59 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 12:21:55 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:22:26 <Flygon> Hmm 12:22:27 <Flygon> Alright 12:24:00 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:25:52 *** Aristide [~quassel@tok69-5-82-235-150-75.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 12:32:11 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 12:42:31 *** Pereba_ [~UserNick@179.186.24.178.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 12:42:39 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.16.69.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:43:22 *** xT2 [~ST2@2.81.229.103] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:45:50 *** ST2 [~ST2@2.81.229.103] has joined #openttd 12:45:56 *** GriffinOneTwo [~oftc-webi@68.125.219.29] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:48:42 *** Burty [~burtybob@host-212-159-132-63.static.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310]] 12:48:53 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.177.167.127.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:49:00 *** Pereba_ is now known as Pereba 12:52:41 *** Superuser [~superuser@cpc11-lewi15-2-0-cust98.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 12:55:20 *** Pereba_ [~UserNick@177.17.93.118] has joined #openttd 12:58:47 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.186.24.178.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:58:49 *** Pereba_ is now known as Pereba 13:23:04 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:23:29 *** LeandroL_ [~leandro@190.189.0.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:28:28 *** LeandroL [~leandro@190.189.0.224] has joined #openttd 13:59:04 *** Pecio [~fgh@aenc169.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has left #openttd [] 14:00:29 *** roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.94.83] has joined #openttd 14:07:34 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@2605:6400:2:fed5:22:0:6979:842d] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:08:40 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@haqua.4chan.fm] has joined #openttd 14:17:05 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 14:27:20 *** Burty [~burtybob@host-212-159-132-63.static.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 14:48:38 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:49:21 *** Devroush367 [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 14:49:47 *** Devroush367 [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 14:58:41 *** Burty [~burtybob@host-212-159-132-63.static.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310]] 15:06:08 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:52:34 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:56:47 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:17:16 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 16:19:17 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d010484.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:23:10 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:24:48 *** Aristide [~quassel@tok69-5-82-235-150-75.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28:11 *** Aristide [~quassel@tok69-5-82-235-150-75.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 16:38:00 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:38:01 *** roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.94.83] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:02:26 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.114.235.95.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 17:02:43 *** Djohaal_ [~Djohaal@189.114.235.95.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 17:07:03 *** Aristide [~quassel@tok69-5-82-235-150-75.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:15:00 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 17:22:54 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:29:45 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AFE0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 17:37:49 *** Djohaal_ [~Djohaal@189.114.235.95.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:47:41 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56:13 *** Superuser [~superuser@cpc11-lewi15-2-0-cust98.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Hi, I'm a quit message virus. Please replace your old line with this line and help me take over the world of IRC.] 17:57:50 *** Superuser [~superuser@cpc11-lewi15-2-0-cust98.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:58:12 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:58:15 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 18:16:42 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3748.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 18:19:27 *** adf88 [~Thunderbi@wis-zul.spine.pl] has joined #openttd 18:25:19 *** Virtual [~Virtual@95.44.116.115] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 18:25:23 *** Haube [~michi@77-20-40-44-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 18:25:52 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:26:28 <Wolf01> oink 18:33:56 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:980:272e:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 18:33:59 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:39:19 *** tommerry11 [~tommerry1@ARennes-551-1-199-135.w2-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 18:45:22 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26232 /trunk/src/lang (korean.txt portuguese.txt) (2014-01-08 18:45:14 UTC) 18:45:23 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:24 <DorpsGek> korean - 6 changes by telk5093 18:45:25 <DorpsGek> portuguese - 1 changes by frosch 18:47:54 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.101.182] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:11 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.101.182] has joined #openttd 19:01:53 <tommerry11> so what are poeple upto? 19:06:16 <Alberth> magic 19:06:32 <Taede> dinner 19:07:32 <tommerry11> oh boy 19:07:47 <tommerry11> alberth can I have some 19:08:14 * Alberth wizards some magic for tommerry11 19:09:35 <tommerry11> oh damn 19:10:01 <Alberth> hmm, I totally forgot what I wanted to do this evening 19:11:35 <tommerry11> so I really can't get the hang of collecting newgrfs 19:12:10 <Alberth> you shouldn't collect them, just download them when needed 19:12:14 <tommerry11> i know 19:12:29 <tommerry11> but like I mean I can't get a set that seem to work well together. 19:13:05 <tommerry11> nieghbours are important is probably my favorite script at the moment 19:13:27 <Alberth> oh, yeah, combining newgrfs is an art :) 19:13:46 <tommerry11> but certain industries cant be transported without other newgrfs and it just gets messy and ughhhhhh 19:14:49 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 19:14:53 *** Haksoldier [~isLamatta@88.234.32.103] has joined #openttd 19:15:22 *** Haksoldier [~isLamatta@88.234.32.103] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:16:47 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 19:20:36 <Alberth> oh, unexpected challenges :p 19:22:37 <tommerry11> yes 19:22:58 <V453000> nuts unrealistic train set or ogfx+trains can always transport all cargoes :P 19:32:23 <Alberth> s/all/all types of/ :) 19:41:31 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 19:50:23 <tommerry11> yeah but i dont want to cheat, i just want a working game that isnt default :P 20:01:53 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.98.53] has joined #openttd 20:07:39 *** Zuu [~Zuu@ns.sdrf.se] has joined #openttd 20:07:57 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.201.96.194] has joined #openttd 20:08:58 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.101.182] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:14:36 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.98.53] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:39:50 *** tommerry11 [~tommerry1@ARennes-551-1-199-135.w2-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:44:02 *** Taede [~Taede@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:44:29 *** DanMacK [~63f9c362@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 20:44:32 *** Taede [~Taede@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 20:44:41 <DanMacK> @seen andythenorth 20:44:41 <DorpsGek> DanMacK: andythenorth was last seen in #openttd 1 day, 5 hours, 44 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: * andythenorth back to work :P 20:46:13 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 20:51:11 <andythenorth> someone is wrong on the internet 20:51:12 <andythenorth> again 20:51:17 <Alberth> you call, he appears :) 20:51:46 <Alberth> o/ andy, and DanMacK 20:51:50 <andythenorth> straw poll 20:52:04 <DanMacK> lol 20:52:07 <andythenorth> "kids are getting stupider and less inquisitive": true | false 20:52:08 <andythenorth> ? 20:52:15 <DanMacK> true 20:53:04 <planetmaker> it's going downhill with the youth. Since aristole 20:53:13 <planetmaker> or was it ptolemaios? 20:53:16 <andythenorth> planetmaker: can you find the quote? 20:53:20 <andythenorth> I think there is one :P 20:54:25 <planetmaker> yes, at least one :) 20:57:30 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.96.32] has joined #openttd 20:59:42 <planetmaker> I can't decide which :) 21:01:16 <planetmaker> http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/63219-our-youth-now-love-luxury-they-have-bad-manners-contempt 21:01:20 <planetmaker> socrates ^ 21:03:02 <andythenorth> thanks :) 21:03:34 <planetmaker> sadly not the best source. The internet will prove anything ;) 21:04:08 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.201.96.194] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:04:55 *** Haube1 [~michi@77-20-40-44-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 21:05:24 <planetmaker> irony is that he was found guilty of corrupting the minds of the youth of athens and of impiety and thus sentenced to death ;) 21:05:32 <andythenorth> I fear I may get into a flame war with lego nerds 21:05:53 <planetmaker> don't flame them. Shock-frost them ;) 21:06:23 <planetmaker> then you can easily shovel away the splinters when they fracture 21:06:40 <DanMacK> lol 21:07:34 <andythenorth> sounds like Mortal Kombat 21:08:38 <planetmaker> I likely never played that, unless I played it at a friends place without remembering ;) 21:09:29 <planetmaker> hm, I broke my system... updated some things too much :P 21:10:00 <planetmaker> gimp doesn't complain. Just exits gracefully right after start :P 21:10:10 <Alberth> :) 21:10:20 <andythenorth> planetmaker: your linux, or your OS X? 21:10:24 <planetmaker> linux 21:10:28 *** Haube [~michi@77-20-40-44-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:10:38 <andythenorth> no advice in that case :) 21:10:49 <planetmaker> I shouldn't mix stable, testing and development repos. I knew that :) 21:11:21 * planetmaker considers giving Fedora a shot 21:14:43 <Alberth> 2 releases a year, a release is maintained for one year 21:14:52 <planetmaker> you use that, do you? 21:14:55 <Alberth> yep 21:15:09 <Alberth> 20MB updates / week or so 21:15:13 <planetmaker> how nicely do updates work? 21:15:22 <planetmaker> from one release to the other? 21:15:53 <Alberth> oh, I tried it a few times, but in the end I always had to start from scratch 21:16:39 <Alberth> /home at a separate partition, then it's a matter of a few hours 21:16:51 <planetmaker> Yeah, that anyway :) 21:16:52 <Alberth> and then some days installing stuff you're missing :p 21:17:10 <frosch123> some days, yes, but scattered over a year :p 21:17:36 <planetmaker> that's usual anyway... you always install what you miss :) 21:17:58 <Alberth> not really, just the first two/three weeks or so 21:18:18 <planetmaker> hm, I always found some packages I need later 21:18:21 <frosch123> anyway, ottd is the most annoying one 21:18:24 <planetmaker> for whatever reason 21:18:35 <planetmaker> ottd is pretty quick, though it has a few 21:18:38 <frosch123> i used to have binaries of almost all branches 21:18:42 <Alberth> you get bleeding edge, so some times stuff just doesn't work for some time 21:18:50 <frosch123> but now they do not start because of from libs 21:19:01 <frosch123> and they all do no longer compile with current compiler 21:19:01 <planetmaker> ah, yes 21:19:08 <planetmaker> that you mean 21:19:17 *** oskari89 [oskari89@62-241-226-106.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:19:41 <andythenorth> so this update stuff isn't a solved problem? :o 21:19:42 <planetmaker> well, I've a new and big HDD to spoil. So easy to have two systems. One toy, one 'work' 21:19:47 <andythenorth> I thought it was just an Apple issue 21:20:02 <frosch123> andythenorth: usually stuff changes so much that it is not worth migrating 21:20:12 <andythenorth> oh 21:20:13 <frosch123> keep /home, do rest from scratch 21:20:32 <planetmaker> andythenorth, the difference is that you usually just do apt-get install blah 21:20:33 <andythenorth> I have somewhat been given different propaganda by some other people 21:20:34 <frosch123> if you have complicated setups, then put them into a vm 21:20:37 <planetmaker> or yum install blah 21:20:41 <planetmaker> which apple doesn't have 21:20:50 <planetmaker> (unless you use macports or brew or so) 21:20:54 <frosch123> actually the amount of vms i have is skyrocketing 21:20:56 <andythenorth> hrrrrrrrr 21:21:12 <andythenorth> VMs are for windows :P 21:21:18 <frosch123> so, i would recommend for going for a smaller base system, and more vms for special tasks 21:21:19 <planetmaker> no(t only) 21:21:30 <andythenorth> anyone using vagrant? 21:21:33 <andythenorth> just out of interest 21:21:37 <frosch123> why should i mess up my main system just to compile firs? 21:21:44 <planetmaker> he :D 21:21:49 <frosch123> i can just install weird web frameworks in a vm 21:22:30 <andythenorth> I did wonder if we should package some vagrant thing for nml projects http://www.vagrantup.com 21:22:33 <planetmaker> I think I'll make one system which is experimental and bleeding edge. And one more stable 21:22:47 <planetmaker> the first one for stuff which actually needs that hardware support which might or might not work 21:23:33 <planetmaker> might make sense, andythenorth 21:23:46 <planetmaker> or distributing a virtualbox image for that purpose 21:24:44 <planetmaker> ah, it basically uses that... 21:24:58 <andythenorth> it's some tools around virtual appliance stuff 21:25:04 <andythenorth> I don't actually know the benefit 21:25:12 <andythenorth> just that it has a lot of happy users 21:28:51 *** Haube [~michi@77-21-51-192-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 21:30:32 <frosch123> hmm, so i should setup the dev-vm using vagrant 21:30:37 <frosch123> instead of a big image :p 21:31:13 <planetmaker> :D 21:31:37 <frosch123> anyway, i don't get how vagrant can setup a new vm within minutes 21:31:51 <frosch123> or does that refer to a gbit downstream connection? 21:33:13 <andythenorth> dunno :) 21:33:28 <andythenorth> doesn't specify how many minutes 21:33:30 <andythenorth> 180? 21:34:14 *** Haube1 [~michi@77-20-40-44-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:36:19 <planetmaker> frosch123, I understand that they mean that you have a base image and only add additional stuff in a vagrant description file. 21:36:23 <planetmaker> That might then be much easier :) 21:37:03 <frosch123> yeah, just opened the "precise32.box" file in a browser tab 21:37:15 <frosch123> but it is a disk image :p 21:37:45 <planetmaker> yeah 21:37:47 <frosch123> @calc 16383*16*63 / 2048 21:37:47 <DorpsGek> frosch123: 8063.5078125 21:37:56 <planetmaker> some kind of disk image wrapper it seems 21:38:19 <frosch123> so, they have some preinstalled diskimages of popular distros 21:38:31 <frosch123> and then let you specify a script to install more stuff 21:38:53 *** DanMacK [~63f9c362@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:39:52 <frosch123> "Added boxes can be re-used by multiple projects. Each project uses a box as an initial image to clone from, and never modifies the actual base image. This means that if you have two projects both using the precise32 box we just added, adding files in one guest machine will have no effect on the other machine." 21:40:35 <andythenorth> I never understood the box terminology 21:40:46 <andythenorth> in my world, boxes are metal and say 'Dell' on them 21:40:48 <planetmaker> consider 'box' synonymous for VM 21:43:19 <planetmaker> so basically it would likely work for us, if *we provide a base virtualbox image with the basic openttd and newgrf dev tools. *Add vagrant scripts for particular needs which extend that 21:43:27 <frosch123> looks nice, i think i am going to try that thingie 21:44:05 <frosch123> planetmaker: you would not include the dev tools in the base box 21:44:07 <planetmaker> Actually providing a basic virtualbox image might suit well, so that devzone users find everything pre-installed 21:44:23 <planetmaker> maybe not :) 21:44:24 <frosch123> the basebox is fixed, so it does not contain anything you would want to update, like your own tools 21:44:39 <planetmaker> probably true, yes 21:44:58 <frosch123> so, devzone can have a basebox for vbox, and a vagrant file which installs an up-to-date dev env 21:45:18 <planetmaker> true. One vagrant file for everything would then do the trick 21:45:56 <planetmaker> hm... sounds like something to checkout indeed 21:46:07 <planetmaker> Might ease some support :) 21:49:18 <andythenorth> does it mean developing over an ssh connection? 21:49:21 <andythenorth> might be...interesting :P 21:49:49 <Zuu> IIRC they are based on VirtualBox which means that you can login via X too. 21:49:57 <andythenorth> that was another aspect I didn't understand, so I haven't explore 21:50:01 <andythenorth> explored * 21:50:24 <Zuu> I have a linux VM (in VirtualBox) with graphical login for FreeRCT coding. 21:51:18 <planetmaker> completely different topic: http://imagebin.org/285761 <-- 0AD has pretty nice terrain textures 21:51:31 <Alberth> ssh can do X tunneling just fine 21:52:48 <Alberth> multi-tile terrain? :) 21:53:54 <planetmaker> been pondering NewGRF options or changes to landscape / terrain for some time, yes 21:54:24 <planetmaker> but nothing in detail really. This would already be able to enhance existing ground tiles. But variety there... might be nice 21:55:34 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1AFE0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:32 <frosch123> andythenorth: there are shared folders and sshfs 22:00:58 *** Haube [~michi@77-21-51-192-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:01:50 <andythenorth> oic :) 22:02:44 <andythenorth> oh there's FUSE and such for that 22:08:03 *** Taede [~Taede@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:08:52 <andythenorth> hmm 22:08:54 <andythenorth> bed time 22:08:56 <andythenorth> bye 22:08:58 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 22:13:21 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3748.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 22:18:49 *** Taede [~Taede@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 22:19:05 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:980:272e:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 22:19:22 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 22:28:15 *** Zuu [~Zuu@ns.sdrf.se] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:45:12 *** Aristide [~quassel@tok69-5-82-235-150-75.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #openttd 22:52:33 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d010484.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 23:03:31 *** Taede_ [~Taede@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 23:03:39 *** roadt_ [~roadt@60.168.94.83] has joined #openttd 23:05:14 *** Taede [~Taede@cpc10-linl9-2-0-cust80.18-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:18:24 <Wolf01> 'night all 23:18:27 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 23:23:23 *** LeandroL [~leandro@190.189.0.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:32:08 *** LeandroL [~leandro@190.189.0.224] has joined #openttd 23:37:59 *** MNIM [~mBuntu@ip5452ffad.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl] has joined #openttd 23:40:43 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:54:26 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:56:18 *** LeandroL [~leandro@190.189.0.224] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]