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00:01:30 *** Aristide [~quassel@tok69-5-82-235-150-75.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:02:27 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 00:04:06 *** JdGordon1 [~jonno@ppp118-209-52-177.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:07:14 <LordAro> i think i've only seen a non 'zuHause' once :L 00:08:27 <frosch_awake> have you seen the Eddi|zuHause2 ? 00:10:11 *** planetmaker is now known as planetmaker|Fjordmaking 00:10:19 <planetmaker|Fjordmaking> yeah, pretty nice :P 00:10:52 *** planetmaker|Fjordmaking is now known as planetmaker 00:13:41 <Eddi|zuHause> LordAro: yeah, that's when i use another computer 00:14:04 <LordAro> planetmaker: xchat is now aligning nicks horribly :p 00:14:40 <LordAro> i fear this will stay this way until you drop off the scrollback :L 00:15:31 <planetmaker> I know :) 00:15:37 <planetmaker> just re-align it :P 00:15:46 <planetmaker> you can manually re-adjust 00:16:18 <LordAro> yeah, but then 'you' overlap with the date :L 00:17:30 <planetmaker> you'll figure out the time of that single statement from the context ;) 00:18:24 <LordAro> :p 00:27:53 *** kais58_ [~kais58@cpc8-cwma7-2-0-cust113.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 00:31:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19A49.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:31:16 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d110-32-24-29.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:33:56 *** Hazzard [~43aefd2c@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 00:42:46 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:42:46 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:51:54 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3186.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 01:13:42 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:13:42 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:24:36 *** frosch_awake [~frosch@frnk-4d00df51.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 01:42:25 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A8EA.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:49:09 *** Haube [~michi@77-21-133-191-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:52:28 *** Markk [mark@h30n15-nt-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:59:38 *** Lizz [~Lizz@142.68.207.24] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:06:34 *** JdGordon1 [~jonno@ppp118-209-45-177.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 02:07:17 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:07:17 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:09:42 *** JdGordon| [~jonno@ppp118-209-113-69.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:36:38 *** welshdragon [~Moi@cpc1-oxfd20-2-0-cust78.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:53:27 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 02:53:27 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:10:27 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:19:19 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:20:42 *** Markk [mark@h30n15-nt-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 03:33:42 *** Phr [~Phrossi@189.110.231.78] has joined #openttd 03:36:34 <Phr> nothing in here now? 03:48:26 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-168-244-115.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 03:50:36 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@187.58.245.175] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:05:35 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.19.42.8] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:05:47 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.19.42.8] has joined #openttd 04:11:26 *** Phr [~Phrossi@189.110.231.78] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Would you like to know more?] 04:17:24 *** blackhair [blackhair@117.192.52.160] has joined #openttd 04:18:24 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:18:47 *** Markk [mark@h30n15-nt-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:31:59 *** ChickeNES [~ChickeNES@c-50-148-73-101.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:33:43 <Supercheese> Hm, 9 strings pending commit 04:43:53 *** ChickeNES [~ChickeNES@c-50-148-73-101.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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Check AdiIRC! http://www.adiirc.com] 06:41:21 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 06:44:20 *** TheStevens [~lachlan@14-200-254-27.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #openttd 06:44:26 <TheStevens> ergh 06:44:52 <Supercheese> problem(s)? 06:46:29 <TheStevens> probably just retardation 06:47:22 <Supercheese> err, ok... 06:50:31 <TheStevens> was encouraged to change from svn to hg because it's more useful. Did so and now my makefile is broken, despite it not changing at all. 06:51:25 <TheStevens> as I said, retardation is most likely the cause. 06:59:12 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #openttd 07:03:39 *** Hazzard [~43aefd2c@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:23:16 <Flygon_> Urg... the most shameful of fixing traffic congestion methods 07:23:24 <Flygon_> Sending all vehicles to depot to rethink EVERYTHING 07:23:32 *** Flygon_ is now known as Flygon 07:33:16 *** bdavenport [~davenport@chronos.rpi.mindlesstux.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:59:45 <TheStevens> yeah, I broke everything. joy 08:17:59 *** TheStevens [~lachlan@14-200-254-27.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:25:32 *** welshdragon [~Moi@cpc1-oxfd20-2-0-cust78.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 08:31:14 *** Devroush [~dennis@dd5765bac.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 08:54:36 *** Knogle [~knogle@x1-6-28-c6-8e-97-e8-d2.cpe.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:58:21 *** triad [~triad@5-13-103-169.residential.rdsnet.ro] has joined #openttd 08:59:30 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 09:01:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A198C1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 09:02:28 <planetmaker> moin 09:02:50 <triad> :) 09:03:13 *** Knogle [~knogle@x1-6-28-c6-8e-97-e8-d2.cpe.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 09:03:14 <planetmaker> sometimes I really want to answer "no, you can't. But all other people seem to be able" ;) 09:03:20 <planetmaker> http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1113859#p1113859 09:03:24 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.102.200] has joined #openttd 09:03:35 *** Knogle [~knogle@x1-6-28-c6-8e-97-e8-d2.cpe.webspeed.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:05:18 <Flygon> Gah... random coal mine pops up right where I was about to build a station 09:05:30 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 09:05:32 <planetmaker> tehehe :) 09:05:58 <planetmaker> annoying as it can take ages before it disappears again 09:06:16 *** PhreeZZZZzzzz is now known as Phreeze 09:06:18 <Flygon> Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep 09:06:20 <Phreeze> re 09:06:35 <Phreeze> hm...scenario editor -> boom 09:10:21 *** Japa [~Japa@117.201.110.164] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:11:47 <Flygon> It'd be nice if there was a feature where I could PAY an industry to shut down 09:11:49 <Flygon> Compensation ect 09:11:56 <Phreeze> lol 09:12:02 <Flygon> I am 100% serious 09:12:13 <Phreeze> like: bribe the local green party to force shutting down industries^^ 09:12:14 <planetmaker> it's called the magic bulldozer cheat 09:12:40 <Flygon> Yes, but I don't want it on the savegame record D: 09:12:53 <planetmaker> lol. Wants to cheat but not admit 09:12:54 <Phreeze> then you should wait ^^ 09:13:44 <Flygon> Trying to free up room for 2 platforms... 09:14:00 <Flygon> Soooo lucky it's just 2. Roll in-Roll out Maglev 09:14:10 <Flygon> Sooo... giant balloon loop 09:15:32 <Flygon> Okay, whelp 09:15:50 <Flygon> Removing overground bypass track and time to congest an understation tunnel even further :| 09:15:52 <Flygon> THANK YOU COAL MINE 09:17:07 <Phreeze> lol, screenshot it, show us :) 09:18:42 <Flygon> All of this 09:18:48 <Flygon> Just to build a 2 track platform... 09:18:54 <Flygon> Screenieing 09:20:00 <__ln__> should openttd contain a button for sharing stuff on e.g. Twitter? 09:20:13 <Phreeze> oh noes... 09:20:24 <Phreeze> it would remind of those free2pay games 09:20:31 <Phreeze> "share your new giant potato" 09:20:46 <Flygon> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2651992/Art/Other/iceland2002funkyoucoalmine.png 09:20:49 <Phreeze> "share your idiocy buying a pumpkin for 10$" 09:21:16 <Phreeze> looks beautiful :) 09:21:43 <triad> Flygon: nice ! 09:21:45 <Flygon> Shame about the coal mine 09:21:52 <Flygon> So yeah 09:21:57 <triad> 680 road vehicles ? 09:22:02 <Flygon> Gonna build that Maglev platform now and wait 3 years :| 09:22:05 <Flygon> 680? 09:22:07 <Flygon> Oh goodness no 09:22:12 <Flygon> 1824 atm 09:22:19 <Flygon> My Europe game has 3500ish 09:22:21 <Phreeze> where do you want to place tat maglev station ? 09:22:29 <Flygon> Where the arrow is pointed 09:22:37 <triad> huh, i hate vehicles..they need replacement 09:22:41 <Flygon> It'll be a Roll In-Roll Out platform 09:22:54 <Flygon> In a Balloon Loop fashion 09:22:58 <Phreeze> connected to your CBD East station ? 09:23:26 <Flygon> Yep 09:23:40 <Phreeze> do you use double-double tracks ? for fast and slow trains ? 09:23:53 <Flygon> Depends on the line 09:24:03 <Flygon> I get the feeling you're far better with OTTD than I am x3 09:24:16 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:24:29 <Phreeze> i just use normal track types ^^ 09:24:36 <Phreeze> put all the trains to it hehe 09:24:51 <Phreeze> just use 2nd line with waypoints if the freight annoys my passenger trains 09:24:58 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 09:25:08 <Flygon> More sensible than me, hahaha 09:25:13 <Phreeze> afk taking my monthly shower :> 09:26:28 <Flygon> Hrmm 09:26:34 <Flygon> 14 car long Maglev trains 09:26:38 <Flygon> Shorter than I want 09:26:43 <Flygon> But the coal mine demands it :| 09:26:52 <Flygon> IT BETTER DIG UP A BLOODY HELIX FOSSIL ;_: 09:26:55 <Flygon> Shower well! 09:29:01 <Flygon> fml 09:29:11 <Flygon> 392km/h speed limit on the incoming curve 09:29:25 *** nex259 [~nex259@ZL084131.ppp.dion.ne.jp] has joined #openttd 09:30:04 *** nex259 [~nex259@ZL084131.ppp.dion.ne.jp] has left #openttd [Leaving...] 09:33:44 <Supercheese> Twitch plays OTTD 09:33:52 <Supercheese> O_o 09:33:57 <Flygon> osnap 09:34:10 <Supercheese> too many possible inputs 09:34:24 <Supercheese> bankruptcy within minutes 09:36:08 <Flygon> 445km/h, 16 tile long train... 09:36:12 <Flygon> Well 09:36:21 <Flygon> Best result I coulda hoped for 09:40:01 *** wakou2 [~stephen@host86-166-173-232.range86-166.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 09:40:31 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@host58-55-dynamic.182-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #openttd 09:40:53 <Flygon> Annd now I wish I had sideways bridges x.x 09:41:01 <Wolf01> moin 09:41:04 <Flygon> Building Maglevs with consistant speeds is so dificult x.x" 09:41:07 <Flygon> Huomenta! 09:44:53 <Phreeze> twitch ? 09:44:57 <Phreeze> link 09:45:19 <Phreeze> yeah diagonal bridges would be cool, but we know that it will never happen 09:46:58 <andythenorth> oh 09:47:07 <andythenorth> it must be very frustrating being fonso 09:47:58 <planetmaker> do we know that diag bridges never will happen? Strange 09:48:06 * planetmaker didn't 09:48:34 <Phreeze> probably not in the near future.. 09:48:36 <andythenorth> being cdist maintainer must invove a lot of 'le sigh' 09:48:42 <Phreeze> at least they all stated it like that in the forums^^ 09:48:48 <andythenorth> no, cdist shouldn't screw with the station ratings 09:48:53 <planetmaker> I fear you're right 09:48:59 <andythenorth> no, it is *not* cdist's job to place industries 09:49:03 <andythenorth> etc 09:49:31 <Phreeze> yesterday, i got an idea: is it possible (i think it's easy) to make a newgrf with additional bridges, that have 2 tracks directly, like those station-newgrfs that are forced 2-wide 09:49:39 <Flygon> I wish it was. It wouldn't put coal mines adjacent to passenger-only stations :B 09:49:51 <Phreeze> 2-wide-bridge 09:50:09 <Flygon> What'd be neat, are bridges that're only layable to a certain width 09:50:25 <Phreeze> which means ? 09:50:31 <Flygon> For example, Sydney Harbour Bridge would be around 6 railway tracks wide 09:50:43 <Phreeze> ah k. yeah could add it to that same newgrf 09:50:46 <Flygon> 2 Tram Tracks, 2 Railway Tracks, 2 Road Lanes at design 09:50:54 <planetmaker> no, that's not possible 09:50:54 <Phreeze> yep. 09:51:03 <planetmaker> currently 09:51:28 <Phreeze> is it cause of calculations of "the tile where the bridges starts and ends" ? 09:51:53 <Flygon> (all the Tram lanes got converted to Road lanes around 1960) 09:53:09 <Flygon> (I don't know if it was a dual carriageway or just standard 2 lane road at construction) 09:58:24 *** Progman [~progman@p57A198C1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:59:01 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:59:11 <planetmaker> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action3/Railtypes#cargo-type <-- Phreeze for instance railtypes would - in principle - support diag bridges ;) 10:00:04 <Phreeze> 10 sprites if we ever include diagonal bridges. 10:00:12 <Phreeze> doesn't sound like "near future" hehe 10:00:18 <planetmaker> :) 10:00:44 <Flygon> In principle... 10:01:16 <Phreeze> Flygon from Australia ? 10:01:35 <Phreeze> another one :) we want to visit Australia next year...so i got some slaves that can give me advices ;) 10:01:47 <Flygon> My advice? 10:01:52 <Flygon> When travelling in Victoria 10:01:58 <Flygon> Always take the peak V/Lines 10:02:07 <Flygon> Discount fares because connie never checks tickets on crush load HSTs! 10:02:29 <Flygon> By the time they check half a carriage, DMU is at next station!! 10:03:15 <Flygon> Kinda wish the 2CC set had a more varied Maglev implementation 10:03:24 <Flygon> eg. the metro Maglevs 10:03:42 <Flygon> But, the real solution is for me to unlazy and to pay people to make a GRF! 10:04:00 <Phreeze> i think we will probably travel by car and plane 10:04:14 <Flygon> :( 10:04:21 <Phreeze> haha, pay someone for Newgrfs, cool idea ^^ 10:04:21 <Flygon> But Victoria has an extensive rail system! 10:04:46 <planetmaker> you should give yourself the joy of travelling with either the ghan or the other one, whose name I forgot 10:04:48 <planetmaker> was quite joyful 10:04:49 <Phreeze> i think i'll ask our favorite travel office first, what's possible in like 3 weeks 10:05:05 <Phreeze> i can't afford more than 3 weeks off work :-/ only have 35 days per year 10:05:13 <planetmaker> took me 24h from Sydney to Broken Hill. But was quite worth the time 10:05:25 <Phreeze> i saw an episode about the Ghan on youtube this week :) 10:05:34 <Flygon> The Syd-Broken Hill train is 24h? O_o 10:05:35 <Phreeze> extreme railroads or so 10:05:42 <Flygon> I thought they used Prospector Railcars! O_O 10:05:52 <planetmaker> roughly. Maybe my memory serves me badly and it was less. But was over night 10:05:59 <Flygon> Oh 10:06:04 <Flygon> Right, you took a loco hauled train 10:06:13 <Phreeze> lol just googled Prospector Railcars 10:06:18 <Phreeze> these are dmus ? 10:06:25 <Phreeze> from the look 10:06:32 <Phreeze> http://www.pinterest.com/pin/450711875179375131/ 10:06:58 <Phreeze> weird to see rails without catenary ^^ nonexistant in europe 10:07:12 <Phreeze> (or nearly let's say, for normal passenger traffic at least) 10:07:13 <planetmaker> uh... they exist just a few hundret metres from here 10:07:19 <planetmaker> also for passenger traffic 10:07:26 <Flygon> In Australia? We make DMUs accelerate as fast as European EMUs. Or faster :D 10:07:28 <Taede> same here 10:07:36 <Taede> though they are electrifying the line soonish 10:07:36 <Flygon> And that's not a Prospector 10:08:02 <Phreeze> our EMUs are limited in speed cause of the short distances ^^ and many curves, due to terrain 10:08:02 <Flygon> Oh, shit 10:08:17 <Flygon> Sorry, I was confusing an NSW DMU with a WA DMU 10:08:17 <Phreeze> http://www.pinterest.com/pin/450711875179375094/ 10:08:20 <planetmaker> Flygon, most dmus, so I'm told, meanwhile are diesel-electric engines. Thus the diesel powers an electric motor. And then they can use the same motors :) 10:08:20 <Phreeze> that's opne ? 10:08:22 <Flygon> They're related, but not the same 10:08:37 <Flygon> planetmaker: We use Diesel-Hydralic for the fast accelerating ones here 10:08:42 <Flygon> eg. the VLocity DMUs 10:08:56 <Phreeze> what Diesel-Engine uses clutches etc and power that goes directly to the wheels ? 10:09:16 <planetmaker> my car? :P 10:09:19 <Phreeze> (i'm not that into the technics of locos..) 10:09:25 <Phreeze> haha planet :D 10:09:26 *** michi_cc [michi@00012723.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:30 <Flygon> Sorry, constantly confusing the Prospector and the Xplorer/Endeavor railcars 10:09:33 <Flygon> They're related to eachohter 10:09:36 <Flygon> eachother* 10:09:37 <Phreeze> *proud of his 2l turbo* 10:09:46 <Flygon> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Countrylink-Xplorer-2502-at-Central.jpg 10:10:06 <Flygon> That's the type that runs to Broken Hill 10:10:16 <Phreeze> cool Flygon, building architecture is exactly what we got in our capital here :D 10:10:32 <Phreeze> immediately thought of a city here hehe 10:11:16 <Flygon> Ah, yes 10:11:18 <Phreeze> we mainly have these: http://www.rail.lu/im/x3/2203_teiteng_1.jpg 10:11:23 <Flygon> Older buildings here are very British and European influenced 10:11:36 <Flygon> What odd looking DD trains! 10:11:38 <Phreeze> and from later this year, some Stadler KISS: http://www.rail.lu/im/x3/IMG_1395.jpg 10:11:50 <Flygon> My city doesn't have DDs, but Sydney's entire suburban network is DDs! 10:11:57 <Phreeze> it's an Alstom Coradia Duplex. also used in france. It's in the 2CC set 10:12:23 <Flygon> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Cityrail-Tangara-G6-ext.jpg Classy as hell. 10:12:27 <Phreeze> lot's of those too: http://www.rail.lu/im/x3/190512-2019-Bettembourg.jpg 10:12:32 <andythenorth> should RV speeds be realistic? 10:12:41 <andythenorth> it kind of limits any option for different types 10:12:47 <Phreeze> haha, star wars train or what 10:13:12 <Flygon> I love how the Tangara sets look! 10:13:19 <Flygon> It's a shame they'll be retired within 25 years :( 10:13:30 <andythenorth> if all trucks are pegged to 65mph, that's one fewere variable available for interesting gameplay choices 10:13:52 <Flygon> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Melboure_Comeng_381M_Metro.jpg My city only has single deckers D: 10:14:51 * andythenorth bbl 10:14:52 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:14:57 <Phreeze> we dont have a metro 10:15:03 <Phreeze> cause it's impossible to build one ^^ 10:15:30 <Flygon> It's pretty much Metro in name only here... 10:15:30 <Phreeze> the city is mainly 2/3 plateaus, sourrounded by narrow valleys, 50meter deep 10:15:30 <Kjetil> because of all the tunnels dug out from the nearby prison ? :P 10:15:39 <Phreeze> no ^^ 10:16:01 <Phreeze> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Luxembourg_(city)_-_view_from_Metz_square.jpg 10:16:06 <Flygon> Acceleration on lots of sets is too slow, they share a fair few lines with Diesels (loco hauled trains are a bit of a... difficulty), and... it's hard to explain 10:16:15 <Flygon> Basically, inner urban areas have tight station spacing 10:16:20 <Phreeze> 2 parts are separated and connected by 2 bridges 10:16:33 *** Zuu [~Zuu@www1.sdrf.se] has joined #openttd 10:16:37 <Flygon> But the longer distance lines have a lot of distance between stations, allowing for the top speed to be helds for a tad too long... 10:16:55 <Phreeze> it's australia :D it's all about distances 10:17:03 <Phreeze> our country is 52km wide 10:17:03 *** michi_cc [michi@00012723.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:17:06 *** mode/#openttd [+v michi_cc] by ChanServ 10:17:20 <Flygon> My state's the size of Poland. We're the smallest mainland state! :D 10:17:21 <Phreeze> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg 10:17:42 <Phreeze> it takes me 30 mins to go to one of 3 surrounding countries xD 10:17:50 <Flygon> Phreeze: Your country is smaller than Melbourne O_O 10:17:54 <Phreeze> ^^ 10:18:02 <Flygon> Man 10:18:20 <Flygon> And I thought taking only 2 and a half hours by HST to New South Whales was a kick 10:18:54 <Flygon> ... 10:18:54 <Phreeze> in 2 hours i'm in Paris 10:18:54 <Flygon> Wales 10:18:56 <Phreeze> with the TGV 10:19:02 <Flygon> A Welshman is going to punch me in the face 10:19:09 <Phreeze> we have a direct connection for some years now 10:19:11 <Flygon> Though, the VLos almost never achieve HST speeds 10:19:51 <Flygon> 200km/h is only achieved in testing (reportedly, once they tried for 220-230km/h... everything went perfectly... except that parts of the front panelling was literally being vibrated off by the engines) 10:19:58 <Phreeze> i don't think our's go over 100kmh 10:20:01 <Flygon> And 160km/h is a difficulty due to tight station spacing on a lot of lines D: 10:20:07 <Phreeze> should ask a friend, he's a loco driver 10:20:18 <Phreeze> *ours 10:20:55 <Flygon> (sooo, yeah. We have HSTs, but running them at HST speeds is a bit of a... difficulty :B) 10:21:06 <Flygon> Hmm 10:21:17 <Flygon> Is the station spacing that tight? Or just too tighter a curves? 10:21:48 <Phreeze> everything 10:21:56 <Flygon> All of the above. Gotcha. 10:22:01 <Phreeze> our main stations has 6 rails.. 10:22:10 <Flygon> ...6 rails or six lines? 10:22:26 <Phreeze> https://maps.google.lu/maps?ie=UTF-8&q=luxembourg+railway+station&fb=1&gl=lu&hq=luxembourg+railway+station&cid=10599661851156971264&ei=20AcU4WPGtOWhQe3toCwCw&ved=0CKABEPwS 10:22:30 <Phreeze> rails ^^ 10:23:19 <Phreeze> you can see the passenger station, and the depots to the right 10:23:24 <Flygon> Oh my goodness, just 6 through platforms O_O 10:23:28 <Phreeze> to the left are some busstatons 10:23:34 <Flygon> Here, we have... some very very long platforms 10:23:39 <Phreeze> yeah, taht's enough. as you can see, only 2 trains in it. 10:23:50 <Phreeze> our whole country has only 520000 habitants^^ 10:23:54 <Flygon> Which means that while there's some very very long platforms, we actually treat them as seperate platforms by having switches at the platforms 10:24:16 <Flygon> Or: 17A and 17B platforms are on the same platform 17, but operate as otherwise phsycially seperate platforms 10:24:49 <Phreeze> a bit more to the south is a depot with that...err whatever it's called 10:24:54 <Phreeze> a turntable 10:24:56 <Phreeze> :) 10:25:38 <Phreeze> at that turntable, afailk there are small depots for old locos too 10:25:50 <Phreeze> other trains are stored outside during the night 10:26:07 <Flygon> Turntables are rarer here than they should be... 10:26:16 <Flygon> So we use balloon loops and triangles to turn locos around 10:26:21 <Phreeze> have to go now, fix the sat of my dad's.... 10:26:25 <Flygon> Half the reason DMUs and EMUs have become so very popular here 10:26:26 <Flygon> Have fun! 10:26:31 <Phreeze> haha, no space for loops here as you see ^^ 10:26:36 <Phreeze> have a nice day 10:26:48 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-4744.vo.lu] has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.21 :: www.esnation.com )] 10:31:49 <Flygon> On a sidenote, a lot of the very popular locomotives themselves here are actually dual cabbed: No need to turntable, triangle. or balloon loop them 10:32:27 <Flygon> Just that lots of interstate and older locos need them 10:32:44 *** Hower [~Havard@217.17.210.180] has joined #openttd 10:38:56 <Hower> Hi, i want to apply this patch http://bugs.openttd.org/task/2155 to my Debian Openttd server, do i have to download the source files, apply it to the source files and compile Openttd myself? Or is it some other way to apply a patch to an already installed game? 10:40:31 <Wolf01> the first one 10:43:33 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:46:01 <Hower> ok, thank you. Was hoping for some information i had missed in how to patch this, but i guess i just have to jump into it. 10:56:42 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:04:42 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:1e4b:d6ff:feca:6b69] has joined #openttd 11:04:43 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.102.200] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:05:10 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.102.200] has joined #openttd 11:08:50 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 11:20:48 *** Knogle [~knogle@x1-6-28-c6-8e-97-e8-d2.cpe.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 11:25:28 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #openttd 11:25:31 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 11:30:27 <Flygon> Anyone ever have those games where they're seriously pushing the sensibilities of reasonable station sizes? 11:31:39 <planetmaker> sure :D 11:32:29 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/File:PSG192.png might be big ;) 11:32:32 <Alberth> yeah, anything longer than 6 looks weird :) 11:33:11 <Alberth> that's not a station, it's a city :p 11:33:12 <Flygon> planetmaker: And I thought some of my monstrosities were bad... 11:33:16 <Flygon> Yours is outright borglike @_@ 11:33:59 <planetmaker> I was actually looking for the game where 64^2 was too small to act as wood drop. We needed to create three stations to handle all wood 11:34:18 <Flygon> ... 11:34:19 <Flygon> O_o 11:34:59 <planetmaker> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/images/e/ed/PSG176.png 11:35:35 <Kjetil> ehm.. what 11:36:29 <Flygon> Good job xD 11:36:58 <Flygon> My savegames would make pidgeons cry with their inefficiencies D: 11:37:07 <planetmaker> but as you can see, it needs the station size. It's busy :) 11:38:02 <Flygon> I've never been great at making giant dropoff stations x3 11:38:18 <planetmaker> obviously that hasn't been a single person at work :) 11:38:48 <Flygon> Touche 11:41:33 <Flygon> Map I'm on has just ONE oil refinery 11:41:48 <Flygon> Because it's an island map... no land at the edges 11:41:50 <Flygon> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2651992/Art/Other/iceland2002oilrefinery.png 11:42:26 <Flygon> Sadly, even 24 tile long oil freight trains actually lack enough capacity 11:42:35 <Flygon> And even worse... actual bloody congestion at the dropoff ;_; 11:43:31 <Zuu> If you try with shorter trains, you'll gain flexibility. Eg. it makes it easier to create intersections. 11:43:31 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:43:56 <Flygon> Zuu: Yeah, I figured that out after more than a few years 11:44:20 <Flygon> But, it's a tad late now anyway. And the goal was sort of achieved 11:44:35 <Flygon> A cost effective way of transporting oil across distances of over 1200 tiles 11:44:53 <Flygon> This can make gauging profit difficult though for the longer distance trains 11:45:13 <Flygon> Some years, they make up to 2 million euros 11:45:31 <Flygon> Some years, the same train'll lose 500k 11:46:15 <Flygon> This's become a bit less of a problem as I've gotten faster locos tho 11:47:01 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d110-32-24-29.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:47:19 <Flygon> I do like how the biggest city in the game is Hella 11:47:22 <Flygon> It's Hella big! 11:47:35 <Flygon> Though, Reykjavik has the largest metropolis (inc. suburbs) 11:49:26 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has quit [Quit: Quitting.] 11:51:29 *** Defaultti [defaultti@lakka.kapsi.fi] has joined #openttd 12:00:20 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.214.0.125] has joined #openttd 12:07:04 *** Japa_ [~Japa@117.201.102.200] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:09:47 <LordAro> how did i miss this? http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=70130 12:11:35 <Flygon> Oh my O_O 12:12:00 <Flygon> Good thing I didn't find out earlier 12:12:16 <Flygon> My post would have been "A furry thought I like trains and told me to play this game and then I played it." 12:12:29 <Flygon> Furries REALLY like trains 12:13:16 <LordAro> O.o 12:16:05 <Alberth> It has an sufficiently innocent title :) 12:16:13 <LordAro> quite 12:18:51 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f743f1f.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:19:17 <Alberth> quak 12:19:31 <frosch123> moin 12:19:36 <LordAro> quak 12:19:55 <Pikka> oui 12:25:41 <V453000> hy 12:30:41 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.80.103] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31:13 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@98.145.80.103] has joined #openttd 12:41:28 <LordAro> there, i posted it http://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?p=1113893#p1113893 hope it makes you all cry :p 12:44:21 <frosch123> whoa, you are linking to trac? quite brave 12:45:46 <LordAro> oh, it's still breaking for unknown reasons, isn't it? 12:46:14 <frosch123> i has been doing so for 5 years at least 12:46:19 <frosch123> i don't know about the time before 12:46:35 <LordAro> huh 12:46:43 <LordAro> no one's thought to fix it in that time? :L 12:47:20 <Alberth> probably some have, to succeed is however another matter ;) 12:47:50 <frosch123> i have spent reasonable thoughts on fixing fs#3764 12:47:51 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59:35 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6AAC2.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:04:59 <Eddi|zuHause> <Flygon> I wish it was. It wouldn't put coal mines adjacent to passenger-only stations :B <-- in germany, they put a station where there was a mine 150 years earlier, and later, when they "discovered" the tunnel underneath was unstable, the trains hat to enter the station at like 5km/h 13:06:09 <Flygon> Well, that's genius :| 13:07:13 <Eddi|zuHause> the station already existed like 100 years at that point 13:13:52 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 13:14:37 <andythenorth> is it Pikka? 13:18:09 <Pikka> where? 13:18:40 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387a3bf.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:18:57 <andythenorth> must be 13:19:05 <andythenorth> Pikka: how fast should trucks go? 13:19:27 <Pikka> dunno, 30-60 mph? 13:20:15 <andythenorth> after about 1950 or so, most of mine are doing 65mph 13:20:31 *** murr4y [murray@kvikshaug.no] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:20:34 <Pikka> that's quite fast? 13:20:58 <andythenorth> kinda 13:21:03 <Pikka> my 1967 one does 45 13:21:06 <andythenorth> but then all the trains do 100mph 13:21:10 <andythenorth> hrm 13:21:17 <andythenorth> but you don't use trucks for long distance 13:21:18 <Pikka> I dunno 13:21:21 <andythenorth> horses, courses etc 13:21:22 <Pikka> "realism" 13:21:29 <andythenorth> yeah, it's a poor guide 13:21:49 *** Cybert1nus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.customer.cloud.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21:55 <Pikka> as long as the set is moderately internally consistant it's all good 13:22:19 <andythenorth> he 13:22:30 <andythenorth> consistent is easy :) 13:22:46 <andythenorth> every generation gets 50hp more, 5t more anf 5mph more 13:22:51 <andythenorth> borings 13:23:06 <Pikka> eh, borings 13:23:21 <Pikka> if you're trying to make your vehicle stats "interesting" you're in for a tough time imo 13:23:35 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.customer.cloud.nl] has joined #openttd 13:23:57 <andythenorth> mostly it's this silly intermodal truck 13:24:10 <andythenorth> everything else is fine, but I'm trying to give it an advantage for express cargo 13:24:17 <andythenorth> 'faster' seems like an advantage to me :P 13:24:32 <Eddi|zuHause> how about something like: '20s: 40km/h, '40s: 60km/h, '50s: 80km/h, '90s: 90km/h, 2000s: 100km/h, 2030s: 120km/h? 13:24:37 * andythenorth ignores realistic speed limits 13:26:00 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 13:27:45 *** murr4y [murray@kvikshaug.no] has joined #openttd 13:33:17 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:34:26 <Eddi|zuHause> you could smoothen out the above a bit, so you get a speed increase about every 20 years 13:35:12 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 13:39:32 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 13:40:41 <andythenorth> I have a couple fewer trucks than that, upgrading every 25 years or so 13:42:11 *** Extrems [~super@24.157.137.219] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:44:42 <andythenorth> I have 4 trucks, maybe 5 if I add some futuristic thing 13:45:29 <andythenorth> * 4 generations 13:45:34 <Pinkbeast> I'm not sure vehicles have to be that "interesting"; I get a faster/bigger one, I upgrade my vehicles, I feel happy. 13:46:47 <andythenorth> or....you don't really need to upgrade because the vehicles you have are good enough...? 13:47:25 <Pinkbeast> I rarely have that problem especially with FIRS industries getting supplies :-/ 13:47:46 <Pinkbeast> And even then, fewer vehicles on the roads or rails is always a good thing 13:47:57 <andythenorth> I think that's partly because most sets cripple earlier vehicles 13:48:01 <andythenorth> to allow progression 13:49:15 <andythenorth> that's kinda boring 13:54:55 <Pikka> yebbut 13:55:18 *** Taede [~Taede@cpc6-linl9-2-0-cust445.18-2.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:00:27 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:00:31 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 14:00:50 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:1e4b:d6ff:feca:6b69] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:01:05 *** blackhair [blackhair@117.192.52.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:01:33 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-168-244-115.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #openttd 14:01:49 <andythenorth> ? 14:02:38 <Pikka> I don't know. slow/underpowered vehicles early on can be a challenge for them as likes that sort of thing 14:02:47 <Pikka> and if you don't, you can just start later. 14:06:43 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-124-102.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:07:35 <andythenorth> meh :D 14:08:10 *** Taede [~Taede@cpc6-linl9-2-0-cust445.18-2.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 14:08:16 <Pikka> well quite 14:08:50 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: you might design it around that "normal" people start in 1950, "masochistic" people start in 1900, and "unrealistic" people start in 2030 14:09:07 <andythenorth> kind of yes 14:09:12 <andythenorth> masochistic is 1870 14:09:19 <Eddi|zuHause> whatever :) 14:09:22 <Eddi|zuHause> horses :) 14:09:36 <andythenorth> that 14:09:46 <andythenorth> and 20mph top speed 14:09:53 <andythenorth> and low HP 14:10:01 <Eddi|zuHause> i always wanted a "generic horse set" that would provide vehicles that can be combined with any "late" road vehicle set 14:10:09 <andythenorth> normal people start in 1900 and play for 100 years 14:10:55 <Eddi|zuHause> so horses would be 1700-1900 or so 14:11:17 <Eddi|zuHause> no trucks, busses, etc. 14:11:31 <andythenorth> you get some trams in 1870 14:11:35 <andythenorth> proper trams 14:11:38 <andythenorth> but not fast 14:11:40 <V453000> 1920 start feels like standard :) 14:12:23 <andythenorth> +1 14:12:25 <andythenorth> dunno why 14:12:36 <Eddi|zuHause> ttdpatch thingie 14:12:40 <V453000> simple, many newGRFs start at that date 14:13:24 <Eddi|zuHause> TTO started 1930, TTD 1950, TTDPatch changed that to the earliest technically possible 1920 14:13:35 <V453000> :) 14:13:42 <V453000> it works well though 14:13:45 <Eddi|zuHause> then OpenTTD came along and introduced 0-based date 14:14:21 <Pikka> 1-1-1921 is actually the TTD epoch date, I believe 14:19:58 <Flygon> Wait 14:20:05 <Flygon> So we can't play before Chirst's birth? D: 14:20:06 <Flygon> B-but 14:20:15 <Flygon> I WANTED AN ACCURATE ROMAN EMPIRE SHIP SET!!! 14:20:40 <andythenorth> there should be a date ratio hack :P 14:21:26 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: it's even worse, "real" date doesn't have a year 0. 14:21:34 <Flygon> Meaning? 14:21:42 <Eddi|zuHause> it went from -1 to 1 14:21:47 <V453000> map seed includes industry placement now? 14:21:48 <Flygon> ... 14:21:50 <Flygon> So 14:21:56 <V453000> aka map with same seed will also generate same industries? 14:21:57 <Flygon> It's possible to have a date of -1? 14:22:07 <Eddi|zuHause> so OpenTTD has an imaginary year 0 that never existed 14:22:16 <Flygon> I'm confused 14:22:32 <Flygon> Is it possible to set a BC based year, by having it be a negative value? 14:22:35 <Eddi|zuHause> no 14:22:40 <Pikka> Eddi|zuHause, well, strictly speaking, our calendar *goes* from 1BC to AD1 14:22:52 <Flygon> Fudge 14:22:56 <Pikka> it didn't *go*, since in AD1 they weren't using our calendar ;) 14:22:57 <Flygon> Damn. Blast and damn. 14:23:07 <Flygon> There'll be no 'dawn of man' set D: 14:23:23 <Eddi|zuHause> Pikka: i think the technical term is "backdated gregorian calendar" 14:23:28 <Flygon> Though, it would also need a 'logarithmic' adjustment of the year length... 14:23:36 <Flygon> eg. early years zip by fast 14:23:39 <Flygon> Like Civilization II! 14:23:39 <Eddi|zuHause> also, christ wasn't born in 1AD 14:23:47 <Flygon> 1AD's close enough 14:24:01 <Pikka> close enough for government work 14:24:03 <Flygon> It's easier to remember as Before Christ and After Death :P 14:24:11 <Eddi|zuHause> the monk who did the calculation in the 4th(?) century miscalculated by around 7 years 14:24:34 *** LSky [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 14:24:47 <Eddi|zuHause> so christ was actually born 7 years before christ 14:25:27 <Flygon> No surprises 14:26:12 <Eddi|zuHause> christ did not DIE in 1AD either. he was a grown-up when he started spreading his theories :) 14:26:54 <Pikka> AD1 14:26:58 <Flygon> Nah, clearly our lord and saviour is part of a race of shapeshifters! 14:26:58 <Pikka> not 1AD :P 14:27:11 <Flygon> Who can age at will! 14:27:33 *** Phr [~Phrossi@189.110.231.78] has joined #openttd 14:27:52 <Eddi|zuHause> "fun fact": christ was not born as a young adult, as he is always depicted in churches :p 14:29:17 <Pikka> we should use AUC really 14:29:33 <Pikka> then we can be living in the 28th century 14:30:09 <Phr> what is in here? 14:30:33 <Pikka> a piece of string and a conker, Phr 14:30:37 <Alberth> random people, talking 14:30:53 <Alberth> sometimes, even about the OpenTTD program :) 14:30:59 <Pikka> they're not that random, Alberth 14:31:00 <Phr> then i am staying in 14:31:07 <Pikka> most of them are quite predictable 14:31:17 <Flygon> I do wonder if AD and BC difference will ever become a serious patch :B 14:31:25 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.19.42.8] has joined #openttd 14:31:36 <Pikka> only if we can have AUC too 14:31:37 <Phr> i DARE that instead 14:31:38 <Alberth> Pikka: you expected Pereba ? 14:31:43 <Pikka> and jewish years 14:31:44 <Flygon> I honestly do think having enough sets to allow progression from the dawn of man to the post-modern world would be neat 14:31:47 <Pikka> and japanese years 14:31:50 <Alberth> or Phr, for that matter? :) 14:31:57 <Flygon> Assuming the whole "Early years are faster" trope 14:32:24 <Phr> i doubt something like that can happen in games, but in real life it DID. 14:32:38 <Phr> better go play civ 5 14:33:49 <Flygon> I'm not sure what that meant specifically 14:33:58 <Flygon> I'm an idiot, not an idiot savant 14:35:27 <Phr> BREAKING news! the news is breaking! just kidding, a Boeing 777-200ER went missing in the gulf of thailand. Vietnam teams found traces of possibly jet fuel. 14:37:19 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@187.58.245.175] has joined #openttd 14:38:17 <Phr> nothing? 14:38:48 <Pikka> doesn't look like it 14:39:05 <Phr> oh 14:41:31 <Eddi|zuHause> <Flygon> I do wonder if AD and BC difference will ever become a serious patch :B <-- patch would be rather easy, just change the max date from 5000000 to 2500000, change the default start date, and change the date display string (plus some old savegame conversion). about 40LOC, so can be done in 1 evening :) 14:42:08 <Eddi|zuHause> Phr: if by "breaking" you mean "yesterday"? 14:42:16 <Phr> nah 14:42:28 <Phr> was 7 march 14:42:41 <Phr> still missing 14:42:48 <Eddi|zuHause> well, timezone stuff 14:42:50 <Flygon> Why not simply have it so that a date over a certain date 14:42:52 <Phr> 239 ppl in the plane 14:42:53 <Flygon> Is the BC date 14:43:02 <Flygon> And when the year rolls over the maximum value 14:43:04 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: because that would be stupid 14:43:05 <Flygon> It goes to 0 14:43:06 <Flygon> Basiclaly 14:43:08 <Flygon> Basically* 14:43:12 <Flygon> Turn it into a signed value 14:43:14 <andythenorth> whe need trolleybuses 14:43:19 <andythenorth> -h 14:43:31 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: the date does not overflow 14:43:53 <Eddi|zuHause> i need a car 14:43:56 <Alberth> andythenorth: not sure andy has a help option :) 14:44:06 <andythenorth> :P 14:44:06 <Phr> the passaport of 2 passengers was stolen in tailand in 2012 and 2013 and was used, so point to terrorism 14:44:08 <Flygon> Eddi: Then we need to have it so that the date can't go over a certain value 14:44:13 <Flygon> Unless the game starts at that value 14:44:21 <Flygon> In which case, it continues going up values 14:44:28 <Flygon> Until it hits a certain value and defaults to 0 14:44:30 <Phr> *thailand 14:44:32 <andythenorth> Phr: this isn't alt.discussion.news.that.is.on.every.headline.already 14:44:33 <Flygon> Thus ensuring savegame compatibility 14:44:44 <andythenorth> (sorry) 14:45:11 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: that still means existing savegames suddenly end up in negative years, so you need savegame conversion anyway. might as well make it proper instead of hacky 14:45:30 <Phr> doing nothing now 14:46:05 <Flygon> It just occoured to me that savegame conversion happens automatically with OpenTTD anyway 14:46:09 <Flygon> Yeah. Flygon is stupid. 14:46:30 <Flygon> Sorry, way too used to dealing with other sorts of applications where hacky compatibility is often necessary 14:46:37 <Phr> epic fail i guess? 14:46:45 <juzza1> had to wiki some transport history, instantly found a great idea for an articulated RV: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bullock_team.jpg 14:47:20 <andythenorth> http://news.volvogroup.com/2013/05/23/the-road-of-tomorrow-is-electric/ 14:47:24 <Flygon> juzza1: Welcome to Australia 14:47:31 <Flygon> We max the horsepower out of EVERYTHING :D 14:47:32 <Phr> seems legit. 14:48:02 <andythenorth> juzza1: was going to put this in HEQS http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/53396727.jpg 14:48:04 <andythenorth> never bothered 14:48:07 <Eddi|zuHause> juzza1: it's an "EMU" :p 14:49:09 <Eddi|zuHause> anyway, gtg 14:49:16 <Flygon> Clearly for the BC era HEQS 14:49:41 <Phr> these are some intresting pictures there 14:50:29 <juzza1> Elephant RVs, now that would be something original 14:50:51 <andythenorth> Alberth: the 4 year old is talking in my ear about a roller coaster game 14:50:55 <andythenorth> he wants me to make one 14:51:11 <Eddi|zuHause> install OpenRCT and say "i made this"? 14:51:38 <Eddi|zuHause> he won't figure it out until another 4 years :p 14:51:45 <Phr> another fail 14:52:03 <Alberth> andythenorth: good, we need more devs :D 14:52:20 *** kais58 [~kais58@cpc8-cwma7-2-0-cust113.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 14:57:58 <andythenorth> bbl 14:58:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:00:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 15:02:40 <Xaroth|Work> that was a quick 'later' :o 15:02:51 <andythenorth> child still moaning about a roller coaster game 15:03:03 <andythenorth> I had to reopen the laptop 15:03:15 <andythenorth> there are no roller coaster games afaict 15:03:22 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 15:03:29 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:04:37 <andythenorth> no can't find any that don't cost £ 15:04:39 <andythenorth> bye 15:04:40 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 15:08:51 *** blackhair [blackhair@117.192.52.160] has joined #openttd 15:42:17 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/6Ij3OtG.png 15:42:29 <NGC3982> I don't get how to fix this. 15:43:03 <NGC3982> When track 1 is "full" (there are no available exit signals), i want to force trains to instead take track 2. 15:43:24 <NGC3982> Track 2 runs back as a loop, returning the trains to the entry signal position 15:44:42 <NGC3982> I solved it myself! 15:48:58 <frosch123> put a combo signal in the middle 16:00:58 *** blackhair [blackhair@117.192.52.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:08:11 *** Markk [mark@h30n15-nt-a11.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #openttd 16:09:10 <LordAro> Eddi|zuHause: OpenRCT? what is this? :p 16:21:53 <frosch123> it's similar to LibreRCT 16:22:50 <Zuu> OpenRCT a search term that currently (for me) gives FreeRCT (the C++ version) as the first hit on google :-p 16:24:25 *** Alberth [~hat@a82-95-164-127.adsl.xs4all.nl] has left #openttd [] 16:25:53 <frosch123> Zuu: psst, you should look at the list of devs for openrct 16:27:39 <Zuu> I don't see anything special (looking at this page https://openrct.codeplex.com/team/view) 16:28:26 <frosch123> ah, now i also got confused :p http://www.freerct.org/ 16:28:56 <Zuu> Ah, well the developer list of FreeRCT I know of :-) 16:28:59 <frosch123> hmm, oh, you are invovles as well 16:31:03 <Zuu> Yep, I added land ownership. I also got a patch for fences which need some further work whenever I got time to continue with it. http://junctioneer.net/freerct/fence/fence.png 16:32:04 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:34:49 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:38:08 *** Knogle [~knogle@x1-6-28-c6-8e-97-e8-d2.cpe.webspeed.dk] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:38:28 *** Knogle [~knogle@x1-6-28-c6-8e-97-e8-d2.cpe.webspeed.dk] has joined #openttd 16:40:06 <andythenorth> is it done yet? 16:40:53 <Pikka> for given values of "it" and "done", and possibly "is" and "yet", yes. 16:41:27 <Pikka> for given values of "yes". 16:43:42 <andythenorth> so what other shenanigans should I add? 16:43:46 <andythenorth> car transporter? 16:43:49 <andythenorth> cement mixer? 16:43:52 <andythenorth> bin truck? 16:44:28 *** Hazzard [~oftc-webi@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:44:42 <frosch123> bucket chain 16:45:03 <andythenorth> http://www.womp-int.com/images/story/2012vol04/11a.jpg 16:45:09 <andythenorth> heavy haul? 16:45:51 <andythenorth> frosch123: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=450869&nseq=1 http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=440395&nseq=6 16:46:04 <Zuu> Not a load I would like to drive on a slippery road with sideway tilting :-) 16:47:40 <Hazzard> Whoa 16:48:06 <frosch123> andythenorth: moving industries? 16:48:18 <andythenorth> you code it, I'll... 16:48:20 <andythenorth> ...watch ;) 16:48:31 <frosch123> bulldozing all houses and infrastructure which lies in their way? 16:48:32 <andythenorth> FIRS sand pit? 16:49:43 <frosch123> would a shovel-excavator-disaster meets people's expectations in more realistic disasters? 16:49:56 <andythenorth> maybe 16:51:39 <Pikka> towns should just disappear from the map completely and without explanation 16:51:39 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.214.0.125] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:51:42 <Pikka> that would be a good disaster 16:51:47 <andythenorth> :) 16:51:51 <andythenorth> pretty disastrous 16:51:59 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.214.0.125] has joined #openttd 16:52:11 <andythenorth> shall I delete these river boats? 16:52:28 <Pikka> "Accworth Falls has been sucked into the void and never was. Accworth Falls? Never heard of it." 16:52:34 <Pikka> probably 16:56:58 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:07:07 <andythenorth> schnowploughs ? 17:07:40 <Supercheese> Oh bollocks, I forgot it was daylight savings time today 17:07:47 <Supercheese> now I've missed church :( 17:08:15 <Supercheese> why do we do these clock shenanigans 17:08:58 <andythenorth> vote now for deletion of river boats in Squid 17:09:04 <andythenorth> +1 or -1 17:09:11 <Supercheese> "river boats" being...? 17:09:11 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.214.0.125] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:09:30 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.214.0.125] has joined #openttd 17:09:31 <andythenorth> 4 or so freight barges for inland rivers 17:09:58 <andythenorth> totally pointless on most map 17:10:16 <andythenorth> maps * 17:10:55 <Supercheese> I've definitely found them useful in some game 17:10:57 <Supercheese> games 17:18:20 <Phr> still in 17:19:35 <Supercheese> ugh, hg is making no sense 17:21:06 <Supercheese> I surrender 17:23:37 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/ttU5Lnu.png 17:24:14 <NGC3982> I'm on this again. I do not know why it does not work now, since it worked before. I'm doing something wrong again, and i fail to understand why. I want trains to be forced to continue on track #2 when #1 is "full". 17:24:46 <NGC3982> First is the entry signal, then a combo, and lastly an exit signal on both 17:24:49 <frosch123> i think it's an issue with your pathfinder settings 17:25:04 <frosch123> have you set the coop setting? 17:25:24 <NGC3982> No thought has been given to settings at all. 17:25:26 <NGC3982> Let me see. 17:27:38 <frosch123> http://wiki.openttdcoop.org/Two-way_end_of_line 17:28:21 <frosch123> so the signal in the middle also needs to be a twoway signal 17:32:11 <NGC3982> My lady just entered the room with a giant burp. 17:32:24 <NGC3982> frosch123: I'll read into it. Thank you. 17:37:31 <NGC3982> frosch123: It actually worked itself out by simply elongating it. 17:38:01 <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/dG8y2Kn.png 17:58:31 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.214.0.125] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:59:04 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.214.0.125] has joined #openttd 18:01:06 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.214.0.125] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01:33 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.214.0.125] has joined #openttd 18:32:04 *** bdavenport [~davenport@chronos.rpi.mindlesstux.com] has joined #openttd 18:37:13 *** Progman [~progman@p57A198C1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 18:43:19 *** Extrems [borgs@24.157.137.219] has joined #openttd 18:45:28 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26395 /trunk/src/lang (3 files) (2014-03-09 18:45:19 UTC) 18:45:29 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 18:45:30 <DorpsGek> english_US - 9 changes by Supercheese 18:45:31 <DorpsGek> hebrew - 3 changes by oofnik 18:45:32 <DorpsGek> italian - 1 changes by lorenzodv 19:04:30 <Phr> uh? 19:04:42 <Supercheese> ? 19:05:02 <Phr> that must be the new nightly release for today 19:05:16 <Phr> not too many changes there 19:05:16 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.214.0.125] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:29 <planetmaker> translation changes 19:05:34 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.214.0.125] has joined #openttd 19:05:37 <planetmaker> for 24 hours that's acceptable 19:06:04 <Supercheese> Hmm, haven't yet done the Fizzy Drinks -> Soft Drinks 19:06:11 <Supercheese> I should make those changes... 19:06:35 <Supercheese> seems like there were no objections 19:06:59 <Phr> fail? 19:09:14 *** triad [~triad@5-13-103-169.residential.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:09:44 <Hazzard> NGC3982: Your station is too short 19:10:16 <Hazzard> The PF doesn't like short stations 19:11:34 <Phr> hey hey hey hey hey! 19:11:46 <Phr> it was posted 2 hours ago 19:11:55 <Hazzard> :) 19:12:01 <Phr> he might not reply now 19:12:22 <Hazzard> But he's still here 19:12:29 <Hazzard> You never know 19:12:44 <Phr> yep just looked at the user list 19:18:12 <Phr> http://www.engrish.com/2008/08/if-the-flames-dont-get-ya-the-explosions-will/ common mistake on translation 19:21:25 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:980:272e:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 19:21:28 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 19:32:26 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 19:35:27 <Supercheese> This Phr user seems suspicious... 19:36:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:36:58 <planetmaker> quite indeed. Especially when reading some backlog 19:37:07 <Supercheese> I'm getting bot vibes 19:37:18 <Supercheese> quick, someone administer a turing test 19:37:41 *** Phr [~Phrossi@189.110.231.78] has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? Visit #hydrairc on EFNet] 19:37:52 <Supercheese> heh 19:38:16 <Supercheese> I said the "T"-word 19:38:52 <Supercheese> seems to be bot-repellent :P 19:39:09 <planetmaker> bot-repellent. Can I buy that? 19:39:26 <Xaroth|Work> is that the same as bitch'b'gone spray? 19:39:44 <planetmaker> not the same. Different ingredients 19:39:47 <Supercheese> Bot-B-Gone, now with extra Captcha! 19:40:29 <planetmaker> Supercheese, and indeed I was just thinking of a clever question acting as turing test ;) 19:40:31 <Hazzard> More like craptcha amirgith?!? 19:41:16 <Supercheese> sadly, the bot bailed before you could ask it 19:41:52 <Supercheese> could always ask dorpsgek, see if an admin is on to chat-by-proxy :P 19:41:59 *** Flygon__ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 19:42:22 <planetmaker> well. Thus dorpsgek can act quite human ;) 19:42:38 <planetmaker> @whoami 19:42:38 <DorpsGek> planetmaker: planetmaker 19:43:22 <DorpsGek> And I know supercheese, too :P 19:43:27 <Supercheese> See, there we go 19:43:31 <planetmaker> :) 19:44:36 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:45:07 <andythenorth> nice timber truck http://www.flickr.com/photos/truckscenescotland/7062188597/ 19:45:57 <Supercheese> It's a Man truck, but the logo is a dog... 19:46:07 <Supercheese> more like Man's Best Friend 19:47:16 <andythenorth> interesting mode of transport http://www.flickr.com/photos/truckscenescotland/7726940542/ 19:47:56 <andythenorth> oops. wrong set http://www.flickr.com/photos/truckscenescotland/7727354040/ 19:49:05 <Alberth> they're both truck scenes :p 19:49:48 <andythenorth> one is definitely mostly boat 19:50:02 <Alberth> yep :) 19:50:08 <Supercheese> By pixels, surely not 19:50:16 <Supercheese> boat must be less than 10% 19:50:25 <Supercheese> whereas grass/trees are surely at least 40% 19:50:49 <Supercheese> but eh, semantics 20:01:54 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:01:57 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 20:02:53 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387a3bf.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 20:07:27 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:10:47 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:11:46 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.214.0.125] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:12:08 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.214.0.125] has joined #openttd 20:42:31 *** Elukka [~Elukka@a91-152-213-89.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has quit [] 20:42:57 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.214.0.125] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:43:12 *** Japa__ [~Japa@117.214.0.125] has joined #openttd 20:44:12 <andythenorth> ho 20:44:15 <andythenorth> I need a grfid 20:44:39 <andythenorth> someone send me one? o_O 20:46:15 <rubidium> CAFECAFE 20:46:22 <rubidium> C0FFEE11 20:46:29 <andythenorth> BEEPBEEP? 20:46:33 <planetmaker> what type of project? 20:46:37 <andythenorth> RVs 20:46:41 <Eddi|zuHause> those are not HEX numerals 20:46:47 <andythenorth> orly :P 20:46:56 <andythenorth> BEE9BEE9 20:47:11 <Eddi|zuHause> wouldn't 2 be better? 20:47:17 <andythenorth> maybe 20:47:25 <Alberth> BEEB :p 20:47:30 <andythenorth> done 20:47:38 <rubidium> B1EB.... 20:48:04 <frosch123> BANDIT <- leave out everything that is not hex, and you already have 3 digits 20:48:53 * andythenorth wonders what the IH joke is 20:48:59 <Eddi|zuHause> '\BA' 'N' '\D1' 'T'? 20:48:59 <andythenorth> grfid = r"CAE" 20:49:13 <andythenorth> I left a comment that it is a joke 20:49:17 <andythenorth> but I cba to work out what :P 20:49:29 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: the joke is it begins with CA 20:49:53 <Eddi|zuHause> which is a "forbidden" ID :) 20:50:07 <planetmaker> nah, better \EA\XX or so 20:51:06 <Eddi|zuHause> i'm sure there is a log about this, anyway 20:51:17 <andythenorth> I bet 20:52:09 <andythenorth> hmm it will be a joke about iron or something 20:52:16 <andythenorth> not a good joke 20:59:32 <andythenorth> 10/8 road vehicles anyone? o_O 20:59:47 <andythenorth> maybe I can remove the 10/8 articulated stuff for this set 21:01:01 <planetmaker> not bandit but another? 21:10:54 <andythenorth> another 21:11:01 <andythenorth> bandit wen to jail :P 21:14:39 <frosch123> "jail" would also have been a grfid :p 21:17:04 <andythenorth> ha 21:17:25 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:20:18 <andythenorth> hmmm....tipper trucks are pointless if the set has mining trucks 21:20:35 <andythenorth> except higher speed... 21:20:40 <andythenorth> but lower capacity 21:20:54 <andythenorth> boring choices 21:21:00 * andythenorth removes those 21:24:32 <andythenorth> also bye 21:24:34 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:25:51 <Eddi|zuHause> too much on-topic today: https://twitter.com/Thoreau_H_D/status/442725831165476864/photo/1 <-- maybe we should interpret this advertisment 21:31:15 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 21:31:21 *** triad [~triad@5-13-103-169.residential.rdsnet.ro] has joined #openttd 21:32:12 *** welshdragon [~Moi@cpc1-oxfd20-2-0-cust78.4-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:36:43 <Eddi|zuHause> <NGC3982> http://i.imgur.com/ttU5Lnu.png <-- if you don't use the 2-way-eol setting, you must make sure that the "long" track has a) more signals than the lookahead (default 10) and b) the full-platform-penalty plus the firstred-exit-penalty is higher than the length of the roundtrip 21:37:05 <V453000> [better enable eol] 21:37:31 <Eddi|zuHause> eol, i'm already in? that was easy :p 21:37:59 <Eddi|zuHause> (vaguely mimicing an AOL advertisment from many years ago) 21:39:55 <Eddi|zuHause> "former german chancellor and gasprom employee Gerhard Schröder says the EU is at fault for escalating the ukraine situation" 21:44:53 <frosch123> have you read the whole article? 21:45:21 <Eddi|zuHause> who needs to read articles when the headlines are totally misrepresenting the content :p 21:46:00 <Eddi|zuHause> the purpose of news is not to educate yourself, but to further strengthen your own view of the world :p 21:46:10 <Eddi|zuHause> that's why FOX NEWS is so popular 21:47:36 *** Progman [~progman@p57A198C1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:50:06 *** triad [~triad@5-13-103-169.residential.rdsnet.ro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:07:19 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:08:08 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:980:272e:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 22:08:31 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 22:09:47 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:17:29 *** dysoco [~dysoco@host3.190-229-113.telecom.net.ar] has joined #openttd 22:40:33 <Wolf01> 'night all 22:40:36 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:42:46 *** LSky [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 22:45:37 <frosch123> night 22:45:40 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f743f1f.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:49:39 *** dysoco [~dysoco@host3.190-229-113.telecom.net.ar] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:07:43 *** Zuu [~Zuu@www1.sdrf.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:13:11 <Eddi|zuHause> "Your GooglegÀnger is the person that shows up as first result when you google your name" 23:13:50 <Taede> what if that is yourself? 23:15:47 <Eddi|zuHause> then the world explodes 23:16:05 * Taede looks around 23:16:09 <Taede> nope, seems fine 23:16:19 <Taede> picture is a lil dated, but otherwise fine 23:17:29 <Eddi|zuHause> i actually have a "billboardgÀnger". there's a regional politician with my name, who was really present for a while during some elections. so when i went to the bank the teller asked "are you the guy from the billboards?" 23:18:24 <Taede> heh 23:35:53 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:39:11 *** Devroush [~dennis@dd5765bac.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 23:47:44 <Eddi|zuHause> "Barbie and Ken are actually siblings" 23:49:19 <Hazzard> D: 23:50:47 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:51:03 <Eddi|zuHause> (they're named after the kids of the creator)