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00:43:22 *** LSky [LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 00:43:56 *** LSky [LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 00:58:53 <Eddi|zuHause> <frosch123> if we expose the "planned flow", gs can easily figure out a lot about cargo flows <-- how about forcefully disconnecting links (city A puts an embargo on city B) 01:21:36 <Flygon> Sooooo 01:22:20 <Flygon> You guys want to make a North-South Korea scenario with Cargodist where NK and SK randomly embargo eachother? 01:24:38 <Eddi|zuHause> or moving front lines in WWII, or whatever 01:24:52 <Eddi|zuHause> it's basically the opposite of subsidies 01:25:17 <Eddi|zuHause> and it's probably horribly annoying and nobody wants to play with it :p 01:29:28 *** Gallomimia [~gallo@S0106c8fb26452633.ca.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:37:04 <Supercheese> OTTD has too darn many strings 01:37:34 <Supercheese> And there are sparse (at best) Latin references for multiplayer-gaming terms 01:39:37 <Eddi|zuHause> that's what you get for not having loan words 01:44:03 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:54:39 <Supercheese> surprisingly, there is at least one other game that has a (partially complete) Latin translation 01:54:54 <Supercheese> with plenty of multiplayer terms and the like 01:57:19 <Flygon> Eddi: Makes sense for some types of scenarios 01:57:34 <Flygon> eg. the whole moving Frontlines thing 01:57:52 <Flygon> The transport company that transports military equipment for the country better helps win the war 01:58:04 <Flygon> So you're rewarded when you make stuff work as good as possible 02:01:06 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3E86.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 02:01:06 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97BA885.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:02:07 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97BA885.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 02:06:51 *** ST2 [~ST2@bl20-241-250.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 02:11:48 *** xT2 [~ST2@bl20-236-87.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:14:38 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:19:47 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.58.54.248] has quit [Quit: AdiIRC - custom made irc client. 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Overtaking! Also better physics! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoO5jer-Vpk 09:33:02 <andythenorth> not OpenTTD :P 09:35:52 <peter1138> I never noticed their wheels didn't turn around bends :p 09:36:06 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:36:22 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:36:42 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 09:37:11 <peter1138> I do wish they'd fix the crappy "slow lane has to merge into last lane" stuff. 09:40:01 <peter1138> Hmm, could do with windows appearing on the same screen as the mouse. 09:44:42 <peter1138> Oh dear, haemmoraging money :( 09:47:13 *** fjb is now known as Guest5605 09:47:14 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:47:28 <peter1138> Shouldn't've set up that airline route, really. 09:51:06 <andythenorth> flying coal? 09:51:30 <peter1138> Hmm, closed airports should incur less infrastructure cost, imho 09:51:49 <andythenorth> infra cost is a bit weird 09:52:04 <andythenorth> not sure what it solves 09:52:12 * rubidium wonders how much more Berlin Brandenburg costs than the other airports of Berlin 09:52:43 * andythenorth wonders if newgrf debug tools have vehicle IDs, but hidden somewhere Iâm not seeing it 09:52:49 <peter1138> Don't have enough cash to destroy it :( 09:53:12 <peter1138> I was off by about £1000 09:53:19 <peter1138> Now I'm off by £81000 09:53:22 <peter1138> Not gonna happen. 09:53:31 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 09:54:06 *** Guest5605 [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:54:28 <peter1138> Oddly enough, I've got no money and yet something autorenewed. 09:54:48 *** zydeco [~zydeco@77.231.195.183] has joined #openttd 09:54:56 <peter1138> Oh wait, not that was profit from selling a vehicle. I'll shut up. 09:56:31 <peter1138> I cheated and used the undo button. 09:56:38 <peter1138> Sorry, undo knob. 09:56:42 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d01f083.pool.mediaways.net] has joined #openttd 09:58:40 <andythenorth> quak 09:59:40 <frosch123> moin 10:00:23 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:01:19 <planetmaker> moin 10:05:51 *** Aristide [~quassel@ALyon-156-1-139-160.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:15:13 <peter1138> Does cargodist do automatic transfers? 10:17:51 <drhese> any easy way to update dedicated linux server to 1.4.0? 10:20:40 <peter1138> Bah, this cargo only wants to go "anywhere" so transfers don't work. 10:22:08 <frosch123> anyone considers savegame compatibility important? :p 10:22:18 <peter1138> Nah 10:26:34 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 10:53:29 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 10:58:04 *** oskari892 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:09:50 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 11:11:15 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-85-250.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 11:14:26 *** luaduck [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:16:28 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:32:29 *** ZirconiumX [~matthew@cpc66203-derb15-2-0-cust161.8-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has joined #openttd 11:33:15 <ZirconiumX> Hi guys (and girls) 11:33:56 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3296.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:34:04 *** gelignite_ [~gelignite@i528C3296.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:34:09 *** gelignite_ [~gelignite@i528C3296.versanet.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:34:53 <frosch123> isn't it "gals" ? 11:36:25 *** luaduck_zzz [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:36:42 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 11:36:48 <ZirconiumX> There are no gals on the internet. 11:37:07 <ZirconiumX> There are girls, but no gals. 11:47:22 <peter1138> ... 11:47:27 <peter1138> Guys & gals. 11:47:30 <peter1138> Boys & girls. 11:47:37 <peter1138> Men & women. 11:47:54 <peter1138> You probably wouldn't want to say "Hi boys" so... 11:48:17 <andythenorth> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx3v4DrqgU8 11:48:36 <peter1138> Hey, now that 1.4.0 is out, can I freely smash up trunk? :D 11:48:54 <peter1138> Thanks andythenorth 11:49:02 <andythenorth> kind of like rick rolling 11:49:13 <andythenorth> except the 10s of YT ads spoils the joke 11:49:22 <andythenorth> is YT dead yet? 11:49:26 <peter1138> What's a YT ad? 11:50:38 <michi_cc> peter1138: There's always revert, so... :p 11:52:23 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:53:26 <andythenorth> is there a thing that blocks YT pre-roll ads? 11:53:52 <rubidium> Turkey? 11:54:06 <peter1138> Adblock? 11:56:16 *** talebowl [~delltvgat@ip-81-11-196-195.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:58:54 *** Aristide [~quassel@ALyon-156-1-139-160.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 12:02:40 <andythenorth> peter1138: what are you going to scribble into trunk? 12:03:08 <frosch123> http://devs.openttd.org/~frosch/8bppsupport.png <- hmm, is "8bpp support" a screen resolution? 12:04:17 <frosch123> is "windowed only" a useful default? or should it rather be "not supported"? 12:04:31 <andythenorth> ho 12:04:41 <andythenorth> these metro trains of mine are much lower capacity than RL 12:04:49 <andythenorth> nvm 12:05:01 <frosch123> does "windowed only" makes sense anyway? is the videodriver faster with mapping 8->32bpp than ottd blitters? 12:05:16 *** ZirconiumX [~matthew@cpc66203-derb15-2-0-cust161.8-3.cable.virginmedia.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:08:33 <peter1138> andythenorth, nothing useful. 12:08:42 <andythenorth> thatâs what Iâm doing too :) 12:10:31 <andythenorth> hmm 12:10:32 *** talebowl [~delltvgat@ip-81-11-196-157.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 12:10:43 <andythenorth> 400 pax is a bit big for a 1 tile train? 12:11:17 <peter1138> Packt like sardines in a crushd tin box 12:12:42 <andythenorth> in a tube 12:12:45 <andythenorth> sardine tube 12:12:48 <frosch123> veritcal trains 12:12:53 <frosch123> *vertical 12:13:12 <andythenorth> cdist seems to like these metro trains 12:13:23 <andythenorth> it has delivered 2000 pax to each of the 1-tile stations 12:19:09 *** Aristide [~quassel@ALyon-156-1-139-160.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:23:31 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-85-250.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:27:04 *** Pereba [~UserNick@187.58.54.248] has joined #openttd 12:30:08 *** SkeedR [~SkeedR@cpc4-wolv15-2-0-cust60.wolv.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 12:39:22 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 12:47:52 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 12:48:30 <Flygon> Cargodist likes anything within enough distance 12:48:40 <Flygon> It completely overwhelms anything using pre-1920s GRFs 12:48:47 <Flygon> Especially before Metro trains are a possibilit 12:49:02 <Flygon> So you use steam hauled trains... and they can't load enough people fast enough 12:49:28 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-168-244-115.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #openttd 12:49:49 <Flygon> And that's not even getting into older Trams and Buses 12:50:08 <frosch123> is that why they started the war? 12:51:40 <Flygon> Nah, by the time that war happened, they devised more effective method of transporting masses of people 12:51:48 * Flygon casually walks into hell... 13:01:40 <rubidium> frosch123: it probably depends on the GPU/video card, although with recent GPUs I doubt they even have dedicated fast 8bpp support 13:05:15 <Phreeze> i only play windowed mode 13:05:25 <Phreeze> 2 screens = nice for windowed games 13:05:34 <Phreeze> 2nd screen has tv/series etc. running 13:06:19 <drhese> how I cab update my dedicated OTTD server easily? 13:06:22 <drhese> can* 13:15:55 <peter1138> Download the version you want to run and... run it? 13:18:10 <peter1138> Hmm, whatever happened to that trains-in-reverse patch? 13:22:50 <peter1138> Hmm, zBase large station has no glass :S 13:22:53 <drhese> I istalled ottd by using some script I found.. maybe I just install it again 13:24:25 <drhese> all again autopilot etc.. :DD 13:56:13 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-4744.vo.lu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:59:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6CADD.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:04:59 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 14:26:29 <frosch123> peter1138: noone liked it, everyone wanted shunting or so :p 14:49:07 *** Dan9550 [~dan9550@13.334.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:53:38 <drhese> my server wont start :( 14:53:54 <drhese> Dimensions: 512x512 14:53:54 <drhese> Starting year: 1950 14:53:54 <drhese> list element in quotes followed by ":" instead of space while executing 14:53:54 <drhese> "lindex [lindex [split $::errorInfo \n] 0] 1" 14:53:54 <drhese> (procedure "::ap::game::version" line 4) 14:53:56 <drhese> invoked from within 14:53:59 <drhese> "::ap::game::version $openttd" 14:54:01 <drhese> invoked from within 14:54:04 <drhese> "set ottd_version [::ap::game::version $openttd]" 14:54:06 <drhese> (file "./autopilot.tcl" line 138) 14:55:31 <peter1138> frosch123, what!? 14:55:33 <peter1138> frosch123, :( 15:02:53 <peter1138> Do we have a standard confirmation window? 15:03:33 <peter1138> Cos when you have hierarchical vehicle groups, it's a right pain when you accidentally delete a top-level group... :S 15:05:16 <frosch123> yes, we have 15:06:03 <frosch123> ShowQuery 15:18:56 <peter1138> Wait, did my 32bpp crash palette mod never make it either? Hmm! 15:20:42 <michi_cc> Obviously you don't commit enough, you just write patches :) 15:20:47 <drhese> https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=63499 15:20:53 <drhese> thats my problem 15:21:22 <__ln__> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/not-dead-yet-dutch-british-governments-pay-to-keep-windows-xp-alive/ 15:31:50 <peter1138> Hmm, gotta update my svn checkout :S 15:47:03 <__ln__> https://scontent-a-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/1560563_10152058619249639_836166571_n.jpg 15:48:38 <peter1138> Errrr 15:56:23 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:16:18 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:16:21 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai] by ChanServ 16:23:39 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d110-32-11-122.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 16:43:30 <zydeco> weird, it crashes when entering japanese, but not chinese 16:49:37 <zydeco> http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5972 16:59:23 *** Aristide [~quassel@81.253.11.155] has joined #openttd 17:07:27 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:07:30 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:11:21 *** NeuhNeuh [~quassel@81.253.11.155] has joined #openttd 17:11:22 *** Aristide [~quassel@81.253.11.155] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:24:33 *** NeuhNeuh [~quassel@81.253.11.155] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:49:07 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 17:56:56 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-44-174.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 17:59:01 *** tokai [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:00:43 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 18:06:54 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:10:34 <andythenorth> o/ 18:13:36 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-4744.vo.lu] has joined #openttd 18:13:42 *** LSky [LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:13:54 <LSky> !players 18:13:54 *** LSky was kicked from #openttd by DorpsGek [Wrong channel. Retry in #openttdcoop.] 18:14:03 *** LSky [LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 18:14:05 <LSky> woops 18:14:19 <LSky> thats a quick kick :/ 18:22:01 *** zydeco [~zydeco@77.231.195.183] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:28:11 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 18:30:18 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:33:09 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:34:14 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:34:17 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 18:40:03 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-44-174.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:02 *** LinhyCZ [~oftc-webi@nat-43.starnet.cz] has joined #openttd 18:44:05 <LinhyCZ> Hey guys! :) Is there any way, to connect from newest android verison of OpenTTD to 1.4.0. PC server? 18:47:31 <frosch123> the versions must match 18:47:38 <frosch123> exactly 18:47:59 <frosch123> you can only connect to ottd 1.4.0 with ottd 1.4.0 18:48:10 <drhese> is there any way to get autopilot working with 1.4.0? 18:48:23 <frosch123> everyone uses soap these days 18:48:32 <frosch123> autopilot is deprecated 18:48:44 <drhese> I see 18:50:02 <drhese> soap is hard to install.. there isnt good enough manuals.. 18:51:54 <frosch123> it has a readme 18:53:16 <drhese> yeah and its not easy 18:55:04 <drhese> I cant undestand why att cant be in same packet.. 18:55:11 <drhese> it* 18:55:44 *** zydeco [~zydeco@77.231.195.183] has joined #openttd 18:56:16 <drhese> OFS, Supybot, libottdadmin2... 18:56:33 <drhese> do I realy need these all? I dont want irc support.. 18:56:53 <frosch123> what do you want autopilot for then? 18:57:14 <drhese> scripts 18:57:18 <Taede> irc support is the main feature for soap 18:57:43 <drhese> like commands, MOTD etc.. 18:58:04 <frosch123> aren't those generic ottd features? 18:59:07 <Taede> not the !nick/!admin/!rules and such 18:59:15 <Taede> or the private message upon joining a server 18:59:37 <drhese> and !reset 18:59:46 <Taede> dunno that one 19:00:16 <drhese> I had to add resetme script that I found from dev.openttdcoop.org 19:01:06 <Taede> ah, soap does not feature that at this point 19:01:58 <drhese> I just need simple scripts.. Im too old to set and configure server from day to day.. :D 19:04:39 <Taede> not sure something like that exists without going over irc 19:05:21 <LinhyCZ> I know, that they must match, but how can I get the same version on android? 19:05:29 <drhese> :/ 19:05:36 <Taede> libottdadmin2 itself comes with a console-app, but its really just that, a remote console 19:05:41 <Taede> no motd/ingame commands 19:07:27 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:1e4b:d6ff:feca:6b69] has joined #openttd 19:07:39 <drhese> k 19:09:26 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:22:44 <planetmaker> g'evening 19:23:18 <andythenorth> lo planetmaker 19:23:25 <planetmaker> LinhyCZ, I read in forums that there is an OpenTTD 1.4.0 for android. whereever the maintainer of that port uploaded it / makes it available 19:25:10 <planetmaker> anything new today, andythenorth ? :D 19:25:47 <andythenorth> planetmaker: been horsing 19:25:53 <andythenorth> fixed some errors 19:26:09 <planetmaker> horses are no errors. At least if I ask my sister ;) 19:26:45 <planetmaker> but she basically has a PhD in horse psychology :P 19:26:53 <rubidium> they are cattle though ;) 19:33:11 <Phreeze> lol 19:37:23 <LinhyCZ> planetmaker, I've downlaoded it through Google Play, where it says, that it's 1.4.0.27 .. 19:37:40 <planetmaker> that's unfortunate then 19:37:49 <peter1138> Weird version 19:37:58 <LinhyCZ> Yeah it is.. 19:38:18 <planetmaker> and it disallows joining any 1.4.0 servers, yes? Then you should try to contact that guy 19:38:32 <frosch123> planetmaker: to quote a friend of mine "my sister wanted to become a stablehand, until she figured out that you have to work as stablehand" 19:39:24 <planetmaker> :) Well, I guess my sister rather teaches that ;) Or horse breeding and feeding and treatment strategies. But yeah 19:40:08 <planetmaker> you should listen to her complaining about those type of girls which your friend describes with that statement ;) 19:40:27 <frosch123> i can imagine :) 19:41:33 <rubidium> https://github.com/pelya/openttd-android/commit/f30d497cc15fa750949fabfccc94d5b14fcf1a5a <- I hope that's not the android version of stable, but I fear it is 19:41:59 <frosch123> yay, 1.5! 19:42:08 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-4744.vo.lu] has quit [] 19:42:52 <planetmaker> maybe I should get a tablet somewhen :D 19:42:58 <rubidium> also... it doesn't seem to contain r26439 19:43:09 <LinhyCZ> Yeah.. When I click on server name in browser, on server tab it says - Version Mismatch :/ 19:43:26 <planetmaker> LinhyCZ, then the Android 1.4.0 is not actually 1.4.0 19:43:32 <planetmaker> it's mis-named 19:43:32 <rubidium> so congratulations LinhyCZ, you run a nightly development version of a few days ago 19:44:04 <planetmaker> :( 19:44:28 <planetmaker> I'm disappointed tbh 19:44:31 <rubidium> what's the version that it shows in the main menu? 19:44:43 <LinhyCZ> Probably it is.. I downloaded it before 3 hours, or so.. 19:44:53 <rubidium> I'd reckon it says r26441 19:45:49 <rubidium> it's getting even worse: https://github.com/pelya/openttd-android/commit/15b9ab4c088e0a2ec859f93ba4aa79ad77fa2b72 19:46:10 <planetmaker> :-O 19:46:16 <planetmaker> :-((( 19:46:47 <LinhyCZ> And in the Main menu, next to name is gf30d497c (1.4.0 on PC) 19:46:59 <planetmaker> ok, compiled from git, he has to add some version stuff 19:47:21 <rubidium> hmm, true... but still it's ain't anything like 1.4.0 19:51:24 <talebowl> Yesterday I asked a question on here concerning GUIList and StringFilter. It's become now that what I wanted to achieve, would not really be worth the trouble (GUIList would need to support multiple template:F-instances or even types, which I think would be too big a change for a patch), aside from the actual end-result not being very important or interesting (ui-change, no game impact). 19:51:29 <talebowl> That said, I'm looking for another "project", and saw the unified-location-button in the todo-list on the wiki, and as the page advises to check on IRC whether someone is working on an item already: anyone working on that? 19:51:36 <talebowl> Looking through the code, it seems that it could be partially based on the other common top-window-buttons. Also, another part is of course the actual sprite in OpenGFX and the other basesets (I'd suggest the circle with four compass-positioned lines and optional filled circle within (which would probably be too busy for the small sizes of the gui) is common enough to be recognizable). Core-side configuration of this would be in tabl 19:51:36 <talebowl> e/sprites.h, altough the correct position/id would need to be determined after inclusion in the baseset(s). I'm still trying to figure out how that process would go exactly, though I've read a bit about NML and grfcodec. Personally, I'd be more interested in approaching this code-first with a placeholder image in sprites.h at first. Does anyone see any major problems with that approach? 19:51:42 <LinhyCZ> o.O 19:53:27 <planetmaker> talebowl, the sprite itself is the least work. For writing the patch any placeholder will do, for sure 19:54:37 <andythenorth> I donât understand how this laptop charges so fast 19:56:22 <LinhyCZ> okey, I'm going away.. So, will be on Google Play version with I can connect to 1.4.0 servers? :D 19:56:27 <planetmaker> talebowl, placeholder as in re-using an existing sprite. I'm sure there actually are sprites which already act as 'location' button 19:56:46 <planetmaker> LinhyCZ, probably not 19:56:57 <rubidium> LinhyCZ: yes, but it won't be 1.4.0 and therefor you may get kicked out of the game by means of a desync error 19:57:32 <LinhyCZ> Oh come on.. And is there any way, to downgrade the game? 19:58:09 <frosch123> talebowl: http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/rev/cecc91b6c3d7 <- just look how sprites were added previously 19:58:15 <rubidium> no idea, we don't support the android port 19:58:43 <frosch123> if you have grfcodec installed, the makefile will generate the files after you edited the image source and nfo file 19:58:51 <andythenorth> hmm 19:58:57 <LinhyCZ> oh.. Okey, so I should contact maker of that port.. 19:58:59 <andythenorth> âauto-refitâ is the accepted term? 19:59:03 * andythenorth is doing buy menu text 20:00:03 *** LinhyCZ [~oftc-webi@nat-43.starnet.cz] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:01:01 <frosch123> talebowl: http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/rev/be687acd0e24 http://hg.openttd.org/openttd/trunk.hg/rev/877824ece4c7 <- or look how the "default size" button was added 20:01:08 <andythenorth> also how much âtypeâ info is needed? None? Some? 20:01:13 <talebowl> planetmaker, on re-using an existing sprite: absolutely, would create a SpriteID const with the same number as a current one for now. frosch123: Thanks for the links 20:01:43 <planetmaker> http://devs.openttd.org/~planetmaker/patches/grid/ <-- might give some ideas on how to add sprites 20:02:09 <planetmaker> frosch's advise is more spot-on :) 20:04:02 <andythenorth> all the FISH ships have type info 20:04:07 <andythenorth> dunno if trains need it? 20:04:21 <planetmaker> type info as in...? 20:04:21 <andythenorth> âsome diesel locoâ, âType: diesel locoâ :P 20:04:23 <frosch123> does fish have a river/sea icon meanwhile? 20:04:27 <andythenorth> frosch123: no :) 20:04:29 <andythenorth> sore point 20:04:42 <andythenorth> did we do ocean yet? :( 20:04:55 <andythenorth> maybe peter1138 would do it? 20:04:56 <frosch123> would you have an ocean icon? :p 20:06:09 <andythenorth> frosch123: you like buy menu icons? o_O 20:06:25 * planetmaker likes buy menu icons, too :D 20:06:44 <andythenorth> âBox carâ, âType: wagon for most cargos' 20:06:47 <andythenorth> seems stupid 20:07:06 <frosch123> "box car" is something the sprite of name should tell you :p 20:07:18 <frosch123> s/of/or/ 20:07:29 <andythenorth> I think I can ditch type info for most of the wagons at least 20:07:35 <frosch123> and you can already see the cargos 20:07:46 <andythenorth> âPassenger carâ, âType: vehicle for carrying passengersâ <- orly :P 20:07:47 <frosch123> you could add autorefit info 20:07:56 <andythenorth> auto-refit is alreay mentioned 20:07:58 <frosch123> or loading speed info, if there are differences 20:08:04 <andythenorth> âOffers auto-refitâ 20:08:34 <andythenorth> also adjusted payment penalties for refrigerated wagons 20:08:36 <frosch123> is autorefit actually the term in the gui? 20:08:42 <andythenorth> dunno 20:08:46 * andythenorth checks 20:08:51 <frosch123> it's kind of misleading :p 20:08:57 <andythenorth> Auto-refit 20:08:58 <frosch123> i would call it refit-at-stations 20:09:00 <Supercheese> you have to manually add autorefit info to the purchase screen eh 20:09:05 <andythenorth> frosch123: I am thinking same 20:09:14 <frosch123> auto-refit would be more for the "refit to waiting cargo" thingie 20:09:17 <andythenorth> Auto-refit is non-obvious 20:09:27 <frosch123> it's like autoslope :p 20:09:39 <frosch123> lots of "auto" names make no sense :) 20:09:53 <andythenorth> +1 20:15:31 *** talebowl [~delltvgat@ip-81-11-196-157.dsl.scarlet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:19:22 <__ln__> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2598047/Railway-line-runs-streets-narrow-train-squeezes-past-shop-fronts-traders.html 20:19:55 <andythenorth> why are you mail-bombing me? 20:19:57 <andythenorth> itâs a sin 20:23:06 <frosch123> ln is interested in learning about uk citizens and their interest 20:23:33 <planetmaker> lol, what a railway line 20:23:40 <andythenorth> itâs my own fault for clicking :( 20:23:43 <andythenorth> I should have read the url 20:23:59 <frosch123> planetmaker: actually, earlier this afternoon ln even posted a good picture :p 20:25:30 <frosch123> 17:47:03 < __ln__> https://scontent-a-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1.0-9/1560563_10152058619249639_836166571_n.jpg 20:26:22 <planetmaker> lool :) 20:26:53 <peter1138> andythenorth, what woul i do? 20:26:59 <peter1138> Ocean? 20:27:02 <andythenorth> Oceans 20:27:43 *** talebowl [~delltvgat@ip-81-11-196-157.dsl.scarlet.be] has joined #openttd 20:27:54 <peter1138> WaterTypes? 20:27:55 <planetmaker> oceans is water with a certain distance from a shore. And allows different ship speed 20:27:57 <planetmaker> kinda 20:29:23 <frosch123> peter1138: the idea was: since people do not play with river or ocean speeds, they may want to play with even more speed classes 20:29:24 <frosch123> or so 20:29:34 <peter1138> Yers... 20:38:53 <andythenorth> strictly, itâs kicking âsea speedâ out a few tiles from coast 20:41:37 <andythenorth> maybe there were better ideas than mine 20:41:41 <andythenorth> dunno :) 20:43:05 <frosch123> maybe i misrepresented it :p 20:43:45 <andythenorth> the river ships in FISH are never used 20:43:57 <andythenorth> never / rarely /s 20:45:21 <andythenorth> also bedtime ;) 20:45:22 <andythenorth> bye 20:45:27 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:57:05 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d01f083.pool.mediaways.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:05:10 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:08:09 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:08:26 <talebowl> Question about auto-generated files such as src/script/api/game/game_window.hpp.sq: Is that auto-generated by ./configure or by make? How can I force it to regenerate? For some reason WID_TV_CENTER_VIEW won't be deleted from that file, even though it's the only occurrence in the codebase. 21:09:44 <planetmaker> https://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3210/ @ talebowl 21:13:15 <planetmaker> ./configure only creates the Makefile 21:13:36 <planetmaker> or Makefiles 21:14:43 <talebowl> planetmaker: Should've clarified: the only occurrence in my local modifications on trunk: https://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3211/ 21:14:53 <planetmaker> you can call like 'make clean' and then 'make' to re-build everything 21:15:24 <talebowl> Ok, thanks :) 21:15:35 <planetmaker> hu? You removed it from all other places? 21:17:43 <talebowl> I approached the top-of-window location-button as a widget in the style of resize, redefsize, or shade (but with window-local onClick handling and tooltips). Not entirely sure if that is the right approach though. 21:18:22 <planetmaker> but normally a simple call of 'make' should suffice. And re-generate those files which need it 21:18:33 <planetmaker> might save some compilation time 21:19:34 <talebowl> On one hand, it would be beneficial to outsource a large part of the common code to general widget-related functionality. On the other hand, tooltips and onClick for location should always be window-local, which might not be as clear, because it can be approached as a top-of-window button.. 21:21:17 <talebowl> As for the make call: I'd have thought so, yes. Even make clean seems to not have worked though. I'll try again without jobs parameter, but I'd think that wouldn't make a difference 21:23:47 <planetmaker> src/script/api/squirrel_export.sh ? 21:27:25 <talebowl> Ah, that seems to have done the trick. 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