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06:41:45 *** Extrems1 [borgs@modemcable204.141-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:41:54 *** Extrems [borgs@modemcable204.141-177-173.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #openttd 06:44:41 <V453000> would be cute but universal rail fixes it :P 06:44:47 <V453000> which firs is LATEST? 06:44:49 <V453000> 1.3.0? 06:47:40 <andythenorth> latest release yes 06:48:20 <V453000> is some wtf known to go wtf if I wtf Temperate Basic in wtf sub-tropic climate wtf? 06:48:37 <V453000> in other words, does the economy change in any way? 06:48:40 <andythenorth> nope 06:48:50 <V453000> grayt 06:48:56 <andythenorth> only climate dependent thing is sugar cane / sugar beet 06:49:27 <V453000> aye 06:49:51 <V453000> aint no sugar in temperate basic 07:02:10 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 07:15:20 <planetmaker> moin 07:21:36 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 07:22:49 <V453000> moo 07:27:12 <planetmaker> andythenorth, only use the alignment as found by TTD (and for shorter / longer) vehicles an alignment compatible with that 07:27:26 <planetmaker> everything else will cause tears. I think 07:28:53 <planetmaker> and railtypes should heed just that, too: align tracks symmetric to the middle of TTD tracks 07:30:36 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 07:30:39 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 07:32:40 <V453000> that is +- what I did I believe 07:33:06 <planetmaker> I tried to that, too. Of course +- bugs :) 07:33:13 <V453000> +- :) 07:33:26 <planetmaker> definitely +:) 07:50:02 *** Progman [~progman@p57A192C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 07:52:16 <andythenorth> I am aligning to bounding box 07:52:24 <andythenorth> maybe I should turn the default vehicles back on 07:52:30 <andythenorth> and test with those 07:52:53 <planetmaker> yes 07:53:36 <planetmaker> frosch has some debug vehicles. Their alignments surely should fit. For all lengths 07:53:39 <planetmaker> there's a repo for those 07:58:42 <Supercheese> oh $%@ 07:58:50 <Supercheese> some industry names are plural 07:59:20 <Supercheese> but many strings have adjectives that depend on the industry 07:59:31 <Supercheese> and would need to be pluralized if the industry is plural 07:59:50 <Supercheese> and need to match gender as well 07:59:51 <Supercheese> ugh 08:00:11 <Alberth> isn't translating strings fun? :p 08:00:28 <Supercheese> how to fix 08:00:29 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-4744.vo.lu] has joined #openttd 08:00:36 <Supercheese> make "plural" gender forms? 08:00:43 <Rubidium> Supercheese: there is a solution for the pluralising of industry strings 08:01:14 <Rubidium> just force every combination of current strings as strings in the language file ;) 08:02:14 <Supercheese> I don't follow 08:03:01 <Phreeze> hiho 08:03:20 <Phreeze> q: when i get pure white warnings, WHY is that ? the sprites do not contain pure white 08:03:35 <Rubidium> instead of STR_IND_OPEN :{INDUSTRY} opens, you get STR_COAL_OPEN: Coal mine opens, STR_PWR_OPEN:Power station opens, STR_OILRIG_OPEN:Oil rig opens, STR_OILWELL_OPEN:Oil wells open, ... 08:03:37 <Phreeze> i got some serious "template problem", but i dont get why 08:04:12 <Supercheese> you can do that? 08:04:13 <andythenorth> me neither 08:04:29 <planetmaker> Phreeze, they do contain white pixels then, pretty sure 08:04:36 <planetmaker> maybe some highlight pixels? 08:04:41 <Rubidium> Phreeze: if/when you are sure the sprites do not contain pure white, then the area around the sprite is included in the area that you cut out 08:04:41 <Supercheese> I didn't think you could add new STR_* 08:04:46 <andythenorth> Phreeze: why do you have a serious template problem? o_O 08:06:35 <planetmaker> Supercheese, STR_BLAH.case 08:07:09 <Supercheese> yeah, but sounds like he's recommending whole new STR codes 08:07:15 <planetmaker> http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/eints/nightlies/LATEST/docs/ applies nearly 1:1 to OpenTTD strings, too 08:07:21 <Rubidium> Supercheese: well, I mean replacing all strings with {INDUSTRY} in them to create the ~40 strings for each replaced string. Then also adding all those industry related strings to the NewGRF specification, so each NewGRF needs to contain the basically all the industry related strings for all its industries. It is possible, but the amount of strings would skyrocket 08:07:36 <Supercheese> oh, you weren't entirely serious I see 08:07:46 <planetmaker> Rubidium, he talks of OpenTTD itself ;) 08:08:16 <planetmaker> so were you. More tea 08:08:27 <Rubidium> Supercheese: it would only be about 500 strings more 08:08:29 <Supercheese> more beer ;) 08:08:45 <planetmaker> for breakfast? Hm... 08:08:46 <Supercheese> I think it would be easier to add "plural" genders 08:09:03 <Supercheese> I think German took that route in at least one instance 08:10:11 <Rubidium> or about 1500 if the CARGO were to be replaced in the same way 08:10:21 <Phreeze> [10:04:48] <andythenorth> Phreeze: why do you have a serious template problem? o_O 08:10:30 <Rubidium> but yes... plurals are the way to go 08:10:35 <Phreeze> in fact, around the sprites, there can be pure white 08:10:38 <Rubidium> s/plurals/genders/ 08:10:45 <Phreeze> but as it's not part of the "sprite" it self, why does it matter ? 08:10:59 <Phreeze> and: my template goes, in the worst case, until lets say picel 200 08:11:10 <Rubidium> Phreeze: because you tell which part of the sheet is a particular sprite. If you cut it out too big, you will get some of those white pixels 08:11:14 <Phreeze> *pixel 200. but when i cut of my PNG at lets say pixel 210, it cant compile 08:11:27 <Rubidium> the white pixel warning is exactly there to tell you that you cut it out incorrectly 08:12:08 <Phreeze> template tmpl_vehicle_basic8(x, y) { -> has at most: [x+153, y, 22, 20, -6, -12] 08:12:30 <Phreeze> which is called here: tmpl_vehicle_basic8(reversed ? 89 : 1, 1 + 32 * num) 08:12:40 <Phreeze> so basically, at MOST 89 + 153 08:13:06 <Rubidium> @calc 89+153 08:13:06 <DorpsGek> Rubidium: 242 08:13:11 <Phreeze> ;) 08:13:25 <Phreeze> when i then cut the png at X = 243 or even more, i get an error... 08:13:34 <Rubidium> plus the 22 of the width, so the sprite sheet needs to be at least 264 pixels wide 08:13:51 <Phreeze> makes sense 08:14:03 <Phreeze> (i think i did try that already....i'll try it again) 08:14:04 <Rubidium> after all, the x+153 (so 242) is the left side of the sprite, the 22 gives you the width 08:14:24 <Phreeze> yeah but anyway, "visually" i can cut it after the 8th sprite, right ? 08:15:38 <Rubidium> so if reversed is false and num is 0, then it will get the sprite from x = 154..175 (inclusive), and y = 1..20 (inclusive) 08:15:39 *** mg_ [~mg@cpc3-cdif14-2-0-cust195.5-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 08:15:47 <Phreeze> hm wait a secend.... 08:16:16 <Phreeze> yes exactly, just checked 08:16:59 *** LSky [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has left #openttd [] 08:17:15 <Phreeze> i think the reverse template is the problem 08:17:33 <Phreeze> tmpl_vehicle_basic8(reversed ? 89 : 1, 1 + 32 * num) 08:17:47 <Phreeze> called with lets say (0,1) 08:18:03 <Phreeze> num = 0, so "first" sprite set, reversed = 1 so x starts with 89 08:18:17 <Phreeze> which is ok, for 4 sprites ! but the last 4 do not even exist 08:18:29 <Phreeze> (i don't even know why my gfx work...) 08:19:13 <Phreeze> template tmpl_vehicle_8_views8(num, reversed) { 08:19:13 <Phreeze> tmpl_vehicle_basic8(reversed ? 89 : 1, 1 + 32 * num) 08:19:13 <Phreeze> tmpl_vehicle_basic8(reversed ? 1 : 89, 1 + 32 * num) 08:19:13 <Phreeze> } 08:20:31 <Phreeze> that's the full code. why do i have 2 lines in that bracket !?!? maybe to get the first 4 sprites... but still this is a BAD function 08:27:44 <Phreeze> (i chocked people now.... btw i have the reverse funciton from the 2cc set) 08:34:06 <Alberth> copying code is fine, but if you don't understand it, you're very screwed if it fails 08:34:39 <Alberth> in my experience, nothing beats figuring it out yourself from scratch 08:34:56 <Alberth> the only disadvantage is that it costs time 08:35:16 <Alberth> but that's relative, as a non-working template also costs time :) 08:36:02 <peter1139> Boobs. 08:36:35 <andythenorth> this is not a calculator 08:37:09 <Alberth> tinac? :) 08:38:23 <andythenorth> eh? 08:38:25 <andythenorth> I crashed it 08:39:08 <peter1139> 58008 08:39:22 <peter1139> 55378008 08:39:53 <andythenorth> 70177345 08:40:06 <peter1139> Indeed. 08:40:20 <andythenorth> ^^ this is how we teach programming in the UK 08:40:45 <andythenorth> some people learn O(n), we learn to make jokes 08:41:47 <peter1139> Yeah, they were the results of some sums. 08:41:55 <peter1139> Although I don't remember the sums now :p 08:42:19 <andythenorth> x amount of iraqi tanks + y amount of iranian tanks 08:42:24 <andythenorth> what are they fighting over? 08:43:07 <peter1139> 710, btw 08:43:47 <andythenorth> oh I canât spell :P 08:45:28 <V453000> 666 08:48:32 <Alberth> fighting for glory of the empire of course 08:53:13 <Phreeze> what is the puprose of a cargotable ? why not just include all possible default, ecs, firs cargo ? is it "bad" to just use a mega cargotable ? 08:53:39 <andythenorth> how would you include all possible defaults? o_O 08:53:44 <andythenorth> what method? 08:54:23 <peter1139> andythenorth, "AAAA" "AAAB" "AAAC" "AAAD" "AAAE" ... 08:54:28 <andythenorth> ooh 08:54:30 <andythenorth> good call 08:54:36 <Phreeze> cargotable { 08:54:36 <Phreeze> PASS, MAIL, GOOD, COAL, 08:54:36 <Phreeze> TOUR, GRAI, IORE, WHEA, 08:54:36 <andythenorth> I could generate that 08:54:44 <Phreeze> and then add everything that exists 08:54:50 <Phreeze> in default and ecs and firs 08:54:58 <andythenorth> yeah, thatâs a good solution 08:55:01 <Alberth> that's not everything 08:55:10 <andythenorth> Phreeze: you want a cargo table? 08:55:14 <andythenorth> I can paste you one 08:55:16 <Phreeze> yep, a FULL ^^ 08:55:22 <andythenorth> dunno if itâs full 08:55:23 <andythenorth> hang on 08:55:30 <Phreeze> in fact a full for default cargo, ecs and firs 08:55:42 <Phreeze> so the grf will be compatible with those 08:56:06 <Phreeze> i really should start playing some firs....to better figure out how those materials should look on a wagon 08:56:16 <Alberth> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/CargoTypes#Cargo_Labels ? 08:56:38 <Phreeze> thx alberth, i am already on that site ;) but i'm too lazy to type them 1 by 1 08:56:44 <andythenorth> Phreeze: http://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3243/ 08:56:54 <andythenorth> dunno whatâs missing 08:56:57 <peter1139> andythenorth, yeah... http://fuzzle.org/~petern/ottd/ct.txt 08:57:11 <andythenorth> peter1139: tempting 08:57:11 <Phreeze> lol peter xD 08:57:21 <Alberth> Phreeze: you know about copy/paste and about text editors? 08:57:45 <Phreeze> i know even more about "dont invent the wheel a 2nd time" 08:58:13 <peter1139> In many years from now, I'll find that file and wonder what it's for. 08:58:23 <Alberth> :) 08:58:23 <andythenorth> peter1139: only 2.2MB 08:58:46 <andythenorth> hmm 08:58:48 <andythenorth> I crashed it again 08:58:57 <peter1139> Yeah, and I missed out numbers. Technically labels don't have to be alphanumeric, do they? 08:59:00 <Phreeze> i'll add a full cargo table to the wiki i guess 08:59:00 <andythenorth> reloading newgrfs doesnât _usually_ crash it 08:59:28 * andythenorth wonders where FIRS cargotable is 08:59:36 <Alberth> peter1139: you also missed _ 09:00:03 <andythenorth> _ is important 09:00:05 <Alberth> Phreeze: that link is the full table 09:00:07 <andythenorth> _OIL 09:00:10 <andythenorth> or whatever 09:00:15 <Alberth> O2__ 09:00:16 <peter1139> 710_ 09:00:17 <V453000> OIL_ 09:00:20 <V453000> I think 09:00:53 <peter1139> It could've been "OIL " or "Oil " 09:01:14 <peter1139> Imagine if everyone used different cases... 09:01:15 <andythenorth> 710 09:01:23 <andythenorth> lol 09:01:29 <andythenorth> or as we say 101 09:01:37 <andythenorth> eh? 09:01:40 * andythenorth still canât spell 09:01:46 <peter1139> Lol. (As some people write.) 09:01:51 <andythenorth> what kind of education didnât I get? 09:02:00 <peter1139> Sex 09:02:09 <andythenorth> letâs see if I can crash it again 09:02:35 <V453000> start for iron ore mine? (: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/iron_ore_mine_01.png 09:02:36 <andythenorth> it hates me 09:02:58 <andythenorth> V453000: will it be mined by dwarves on ladders? 09:03:11 <V453000> yetis 09:04:03 <andythenorth> V453000: do you know that yetis arenât real? Just saying... 09:04:17 <V453000> dwarves == yetis 09:04:46 <Phreeze> Alberth i mean, add the NML code to it, so people can just copy paste the table ;) 09:05:01 <peter1139> So yet more people can c&p without understanding? 09:05:09 <andythenorth> cargo tables should be generated 09:05:14 <andythenorth> using pythons 09:05:15 * peter1139 generates andythenorth 09:05:35 <Alberth> Phreeze: that will fail, as people do not update information at more than one place 09:05:36 <andythenorth> someone already did that 09:05:45 <Phreeze> hm 09:05:46 <andythenorth> I wasnât aware this was a discussion about religion though 09:05:52 <Alberth> even just one place is difficult enough 09:06:15 <andythenorth> we should make an online CTT generator 09:06:28 <Phreeze> peter1139 there isn't much that you can't understand in a cargo table ;) besides not knowing what the 4 letters stand for 09:06:37 <Alberth> isn't there a max number of supported cargos? 09:06:55 <peter1139> Probably 255 for a cargo table. 09:06:59 <peter1139> or 254 in some cases. 09:07:08 <Alberth> oh, plenty of room thus 09:07:23 <peter1139> Only 32 can be active of course. 09:07:23 <Alberth> Phreeze: how are you to assign graphics to cargos then? 09:07:35 <Phreeze> challenge: use a 255 cargotable and draw a 4stage loading/unloading sprite for each cargo 09:07:58 <Phreeze> DIAM: sg_rilns_small; 09:08:00 <Phreeze> like that ? 09:09:25 <Alberth> I don't know, but it seems to me that you need more than just a table with many 4-letter words 09:09:34 * Alberth adds LOVE 09:09:39 * andythenorth thinks of some words 09:09:47 <andythenorth> can only think of 3 so far 09:09:50 <andythenorth> 4 09:09:55 <andythenorth> 5 09:09:57 <andythenorth> 6 09:10:11 <peter1139> What a massive vocabulary. 09:10:16 <Alberth> sufficient :) 09:10:23 <andythenorth> 7 09:10:39 * andythenorth wonders about hindi swear words 09:10:58 <peter1139> -static const char rnd_seed[] = "string to make the random number generator think it has entropy"; 09:11:01 <peter1139> openssl o_O 09:11:50 <andythenorth> in my next train set, all trains will be 8/8 09:11:55 <andythenorth> much simpler 09:12:42 <andythenorth> @seen danmack 09:12:42 <DorpsGek> andythenorth: danmack was last seen in #openttd 14 hours, 59 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <DanMacK> likewise 09:13:38 <peter1139> Much boringer. 09:14:02 <andythenorth> setting offsettings is boringer 09:14:25 <peter1139> Should be simple maths. 09:14:38 <andythenorth> for me, it is simple numbers 09:14:58 <andythenorth> I did consider reading src 09:14:59 <andythenorth> :P 09:15:06 <andythenorth> to see how the calculations are done, then reversing them :P 09:15:14 <andythenorth> but that would require a smart andythenorth 09:16:32 <Phreeze> people that can watch german SWR: theres a docu about bulgarian steamers 09:18:25 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d110-32-11-122.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 09:19:21 <andythenorth> evening Pikka 09:19:33 <Pikka> it does 09:19:42 <Pikka> what ho? 09:19:42 <andythenorth> how is Brisvegas? 09:19:49 <Pikka> smashing 09:20:01 <andythenorth> getting cold yet? 09:20:02 <NGC3982> Morning. :-) 09:20:04 <andythenorth> wearing socks? 09:20:17 <Phreeze> lol 09:20:30 <Pikka> no, but I'm considering shutting the window at some point 09:20:31 <Phreeze> it's always warm in australia :D (clichee told me) 09:23:39 <NGC3982> Are there regions i Australia that has periodic snow? 09:23:54 <andythenorth> V453000: are you using realistic textures? 09:24:05 <V453000> +- 09:24:10 <V453000> totally not in real world scale 09:24:16 <V453000> but more or less "realistic" yes 09:24:26 <V453000> just what looks nice 09:24:46 <Phreeze> working on 32bpp ? 09:24:51 <Phreeze> as you posted that mine 09:24:53 <andythenorth> considered a limited palette? 09:25:04 <V453000> idk 09:25:06 <V453000> possibly 09:25:12 <V453000> probably not 09:25:28 <Pikka> NGC3982, welcome to australia: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Towards_Kosciuszko_from_Kangaroo_Ridge_in_winter.jpg 09:25:44 <NGC3982> I see. 09:25:46 <andythenorth> where are the roos? 09:26:02 <Pikka> under the snow 09:26:21 <Phreeze> lol 09:26:33 <Phreeze> they are like "wtf?" 09:26:35 <andythenorth> hibernating 09:26:56 <andythenorth> http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/4309298-3x2-940x627.jpg 09:28:14 * andythenorth teaches the compile to say âdoneâ when itâs done 09:28:22 <andythenorth> a watched shell never boils 09:28:32 <Pikka> what about when it's not? 09:28:50 <andythenorth> yeah 09:28:59 <andythenorth> then it chokes on the errors, and doesnât tell you 09:29:06 <andythenorth> you have to remember and go look :P 09:29:18 <andythenorth> also whoever set this particular yoffs was smoking crack 09:29:28 <andythenorth> or halucinates floating hopper cars 09:30:26 <Pikka> the yoffs today are out of control 09:30:45 <andythenorth> I blame rock music 09:31:13 <andythenorth> also, do I actually *want* to listen to Enya 09:31:16 <andythenorth> that would be weird 09:31:31 <andythenorth> my future contains it, unless I move this playlist 09:34:14 <Pikka> move every 'playlist' 09:35:29 <peter1139> move every zig 09:35:47 <Pikka> give that man a coconut, he got the reference. :) 09:35:58 <peter1139> for great justice 09:36:52 <peter1139> That meme is so old we didn't even call them meme back then. 09:36:59 <peter1139> Any loads of people will never have heard of it. 09:37:37 <Pikka> any. 09:38:34 * NGC3982 just saw a "Pika" animal on Planet Earth. 09:40:09 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 09:42:35 * andythenorth moves any mountain 09:43:20 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 09:43:43 <Phreeze> i wonder when fucking microsoft comes with an "always on top" function for ANY program 09:43:50 <andythenorth> quite a special video :o 09:44:10 <andythenorth> âwe have filters and arenât scared to apply them' 09:46:21 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:46:47 <NGC3982> Phreeze: I don't get why that needs to be a program specific function. 09:46:54 <NGC3982> I want stuff like that to be OS implemented. 09:48:46 *** fjb is now known as Guest6939 09:48:48 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:49:54 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 09:51:01 <Phreeze> NGC3982 what i said 09:51:26 <Phreeze> i want my small chrome window with my sat-stream to be alwas on top 09:51:31 <Phreeze> over IRC e.g 09:51:37 <NGC3982> Indeed. 09:51:38 <Phreeze> so that on the 2nd screen i can work 09:53:00 <peter1139> Use a decent OS then. 09:54:38 <andythenorth> canât you just get some utility to do it? 09:54:42 <Phreeze> like what peter ? 09:54:43 <andythenorth> windoze must have one 09:54:49 <Phreeze> like linux where almost nothing i use works ? :) 09:54:57 <andythenorth> search for âfloat windowâ 09:55:04 <andythenorth> and whatever windows version you use 09:55:08 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 09:55:12 * Phreeze looks that up 09:55:39 <andythenorth> windows 8 can do it by default? 09:56:04 *** Guest6939 [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:56:20 * andythenorth is misreading wikipedia 09:56:25 <andythenorth> I have seen a windows 8 once 09:56:55 <Phreeze> i have win 8.1.1 09:58:50 <andythenorth> searching for âfloating window windows 8â has issues :P 09:58:54 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 10:00:17 <Phreeze> i found one 10:00:21 <Phreeze> but dont trust it 10:00:28 <Phreeze> an exe coming in a zip from box 10:00:30 <Phreeze> ... 10:00:48 <Phreeze> virustotal online scan only had 1 alert, w32.trojan 10:01:55 <Phreeze> ah got a chrome addon 10:05:18 <Phreeze> http://www.fadsoft.net/AlwaysOnTopMaker.htm 10:05:20 <Phreeze> works perfectly 10:07:23 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3C75.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 10:08:36 <andythenorth> bloody bloody offsets 10:08:43 <andythenorth> bloody bloody eels 10:14:13 <Pikka> why isn't it 10:14:28 <Pikka> what's wrong with the offsets? 10:18:25 <andythenorth> me 10:19:14 <Pikka> fair enough 10:19:40 <andythenorth> canât be helped :( 10:27:03 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 10:28:11 <andythenorth> looks quite nice when they all line up :) 10:28:53 <Pikka> do they line up with other sets? 10:31:40 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 10:32:46 <andythenorth> dunno yet 10:32:57 <andythenorth> I thought Iâd fix everything in detail before testing that 10:41:21 <peter1139> Isn't the trick to place the vehicle at the head end of an 8-long bounding box? 10:41:37 <Eddi|zuHause> <Supercheese> and would need to be pluralized if the industry is plural <-- german translation uses gender for that. basically you duplicate the genders between singular and plural. in the case of german, the plural has only one form for all genders, so they get combined. resulting in 4 "genders": male, female, neutral and plural 10:44:11 <Eddi|zuHause> andythenorth: when i did my offsets, i attached my long wagons to an original engine 10:51:49 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 10:57:43 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:06:04 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:14:23 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:18:33 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host-78-149-99-22.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:19:39 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host-78-149-99-22.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 11:20:27 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:23:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.180.218] has joined #openttd 11:24:48 *** Superuser [~superuser@cpc11-lewi15-2-0-cust98.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 11:26:38 <Pikka> implying original vehicles have "correct" offsets ;) 11:27:52 <V453000> (: 11:29:25 <Phreeze> lol 11:29:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A192C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:30:34 <V453000> well aligning vehicles to original tracks tends to be nice 11:30:39 <V453000> not necessarily to the vehicles 11:31:14 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:31:49 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32:36 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 11:33:35 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:35:30 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f740ad2.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 11:44:48 <andythenorth> hmm 11:44:58 <andythenorth> IH disagrees with opengfx+ and NARS trains 11:45:09 <andythenorth> by 1 or 2 pixels for a few angles 11:45:31 <andythenorth> nvm 11:45:46 <andythenorth> Pikka: care to peruse and mock? 11:46:04 <Pikka> k 11:46:06 <Eddi|zuHause> Pikka: it's the closest to a standard we have 11:46:22 <andythenorth> Pikka: http://bundles.openttdcoop.org/iron-horse/push/LATEST/ 11:48:35 <andythenorth> note to previous self, donât switch between NG and normal trains when setting offsets 11:48:41 <andythenorth> set normal first, then do NG :P 11:51:45 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:53:30 <Pikka> different offsets nw vs se and sw vs ne? :P 11:54:15 <frosch123> yay, every day a new poll 11:55:15 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:57:28 <Phreeze> ^^ 12:04:56 *** frosch [~frosch@frnk-5f747a8c.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 12:05:15 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f740ad2.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:05:18 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:05:36 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 12:09:28 <andythenorth> Pikka: sounds like a bug in andythenorth 12:09:40 <andythenorth> I just tried to fit them to the bounding boxes in game :P 12:09:49 <andythenorth> but as the vehicles are 3-part articulated 12:09:59 <andythenorth> and the bounding boxes are unreliably displayed... 12:10:35 <Pikka> hmm 12:12:19 *** Superuser [~superuser@cpc11-lewi15-2-0-cust98.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Hi, I'm a quit message virus. 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The only reply I got so far was along the lines "Thanks for your interest in our produces. We'll provide the sources in a timely manner. Thanks for your understanding that it may take a bit longer due to the holidays" 13:39:30 <Eddi|zuHause> that's not a "no" 13:39:36 <Eddi|zuHause> and the holidays are not over yet 13:41:42 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has joined #openttd 13:46:45 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-4744.vo.lu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:48:18 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [SeaMonkey 2.25/20140320143201]] 13:51:58 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-90-28.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Quit: Colourful clouds chasing.] 13:52:36 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-90-28.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 13:58:11 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:00:38 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:07:34 *** Aristide [~quassel@ALyon-156-1-159-52.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:28:35 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:41:59 *** Aristide [~quassel@ALyon-156-1-159-52.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 14:42:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host-78-149-99-22.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 14:59:14 <Alberth> hi andy 15:07:51 <andythenorth> lo 15:18:25 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:18:45 <Wolf01> hi hi 15:19:43 <andythenorth> hi Wolf01 15:40:04 <andythenorth> hmm 15:40:05 <andythenorth> depot view 15:40:16 <andythenorth> is a mess 15:40:18 <andythenorth> in IH 15:40:24 * andythenorth has work to do :P 15:48:08 <andythenorth> ho 15:48:21 <andythenorth> so I actually have to replicate all the spritesets for the depot view 15:48:23 <andythenorth> fun fun fun 15:49:05 <Wolf01> I need a new mouse 15:50:00 <andythenorth> is it just for historical reasons that depot requires different train offsets? 15:50:08 <andythenorth> or is there something Iâm missing? 15:50:24 <andythenorth> because providing everything twice, including all the cargo statesâŠ.seems overkill 15:51:16 <andythenorth> are all you train people just used to doing that? 15:54:18 <peter1139> Depot... cargo states... what? 15:55:59 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.haskellforall.com/2014/04/worst-practices-are-viral-for-wrong.html <-- somehow i have to think of andythenorth when reading this 15:57:16 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: https://twitter.com/PHP_CEO 15:59:58 <Wolf01> I read "ask hell for all", then I figured out it was haskell 16:00:21 <andythenorth> I know some haskell programmers 16:00:29 <Wolf01> I recognize my company on that article :P 16:00:40 <andythenorth> Wolf01: we recognise all of our companies :P 16:00:59 <Wolf01> the bad is that I recognize myself in that 16:01:21 <andythenorth> Wolf01: recognition is first step to cure 16:02:40 <Wolf01> but I think I can't improve better than I'm now :( 16:02:56 <Wolf01> I just can't keep up with the work 16:05:03 <andythenorth> Wolf01: https://twitter.com/PHP_CEO/status/439398458529972224 16:05:33 <Wolf01> ahah 16:06:08 <andythenorth> peter1139: what? Depot view seems to need a different y offset 16:06:31 <andythenorth> I thought that was fixed by some rarely-visited part of newgrf spec, but I canât find it :P 16:08:02 <Pikka> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/GlobalVariables#Y-Offset_for_train_sprites_.280E_.2F_8E.29 andythenorth 16:08:14 <andythenorth> yay for pikkas 16:08:20 <peter1139> Yeah, that one. 16:10:12 <Eddi|zuHause> that's a line you put in the header of every GRF and forget 16:10:23 * andythenorth feels like a noob 16:10:29 <andythenorth> never made a train before :( 16:10:40 <Pikka> for hysterical raisins it is a grf parameter which must be set with action D, rather than a global action 0 property 16:11:29 * andythenorth looks for it in nml 16:14:06 <Pikka> you probably also want to set http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/GlobalVariables#Misc._GRF_Features_.281E_.2F_9E.29 to get 32px long depot vehicles, too. 16:14:09 <Eddi|zuHause> http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:General <-- bottom 16:14:52 <Pikka> traininfo_y_offset, train_width_32_px 16:15:22 <andythenorth> ho, all these hax :) 16:15:27 <andythenorth> thanks 16:16:34 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:16:58 <Eddi|zuHause> no hex needed in nml 16:17:32 <Pikka> no hex needed in nfo 16:17:44 <andythenorth> hmm, child has got in a box 16:17:47 <andythenorth> and is doing a poo 16:17:58 <Pikka> silly child 16:19:09 <andythenorth> he has to poo somewhere 16:19:27 <Pikka> true, in a box is certainly not the worst option 16:20:19 <peter1139> In her box is. 16:20:29 <Pikka> stop that 16:20:34 <peter1139> Okay. 16:20:41 <Pikka> it went that way 16:21:07 <peter1139> train_width_26_pix 16:21:09 <peter1139> -i 16:21:18 <peter1139> or whatever the shortened length is :S 16:22:49 <andythenorth> nmlc doesnât evaluate True to 1? 16:22:50 <andythenorth> :P 16:22:52 <andythenorth> nvm 16:24:51 <Eddi|zuHause> maybe it's case sensitive? 16:25:10 <Eddi|zuHause> or maybe nobody ever thought of it? 16:26:59 <andythenorth> so that fixes some depot stuff 16:27:20 <andythenorth> as a slave to 3-part vehicles, I still have to fix the x offset :D 16:30:18 <peter1139> Main priority with offsets: avoid vehicles jumping when they change angle 16:33:51 <andythenorth> mine do that a bit 16:34:20 <andythenorth> if I get around to playing a game, it will annoy me enough to fix it 16:34:35 * andythenorth seriously considers writing code to calculate offsets 16:36:25 *** DanMacK [~0a0a6574@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 16:36:35 <DanMacK> Hey all 16:37:30 <andythenorth> lo DanMacK 16:38:08 <DanMacK> how goes it? 16:40:24 <andythenorth> nml template parameters canât be optional? 16:49:59 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:54:59 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 16:58:29 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:00:32 <andythenorth> ha ha 17:00:39 <andythenorth> finally this grf stops looking crappy :) 17:01:05 <frosch> deleting stuff again? :p 17:01:23 <andythenorth> not quite that good 17:01:29 <andythenorth> fixing 17:01:36 <andythenorth> by actual fixing, instead of fix by delete 17:02:20 <andythenorth> oh what larks 17:02:23 <andythenorth> I fixed depot view 17:02:28 <andythenorth> now buy menu is borked :D 17:03:00 <andythenorth> traininfo_y_offset applies to buy menu 17:03:01 <andythenorth> hmm 17:06:24 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:06:27 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:15:32 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-4721.vo.lu] has joined #openttd 17:23:35 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-4721.vo.lu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:29:45 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-4721.vo.lu] has joined #openttd 17:29:50 <Phreeze> test 17:29:53 <Phreeze> hm..weird 17:30:20 <Phreeze> my openttd crashes all the time at start....is there a way to debug that ? 17:30:39 <Phreeze> now it's ok..it was while scanning for newgrfs 17:31:26 <planetmaker> there's gdb for that 17:32:57 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.181.238.166] has joined #openttd 17:35:14 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:37:47 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:38:56 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 17:40:50 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 17:45:02 <DanMacK> Hey Jacopo 17:45:38 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26471 /trunk/src/lang (5 files) (2014-04-19 17:45:28 UTC) 17:45:39 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:40 <DorpsGek> catalan - 4 changes by juanjo 17:45:41 <DorpsGek> simplified_chinese - 79 changes by xiangyigao 17:45:42 <DorpsGek> english_US - 8 changes by Supercheese 17:45:43 <DorpsGek> indonesian - 7 changes by Yoursnotmine 17:45:44 <DorpsGek> italian - 1 changes by lorenzodv 17:47:52 <Eddi|zuHause> Phreeze: "make run-gdb" 17:49:09 <Eddi|zuHause> why is there no "make bundle_rpm"? 17:49:26 <Eddi|zuHause> (or deb) 17:53:20 <Phreeze> make wtf 17:53:23 <Phreeze> i'm using windows... 17:53:45 <peter1139> Silly. 17:54:00 <Phreeze> what are you using ? 17:54:15 <Eddi|zuHause> "das ist ein Grund, aber kein Hindernis" 17:54:19 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host-78-149-99-22.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:54:45 <Phreeze> haters are dumb, stupid and just retard...srsly 17:55:55 <peter1139> Yup, so dumb I never got a line of code committed. 17:56:32 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, no commit ever says "peter1139" 17:56:32 <Phreeze> probably your fault ? 17:56:46 <Phreeze> comit in sense of tortoise e.g ? 17:56:56 <Phreeze> or compiling it on windows ? both works, you lack of skills 17:57:17 <Phreeze> and you can still run your linux in a VM 17:57:46 <Phreeze> -> /end of my linux vs windows discussion 17:59:27 <peter1139> Eddi|zuHause, cute isn't it. 18:06:15 <peter1139> Hmm, could do with a 1/4" jack extension lead :S 18:07:01 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:07:15 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:07:38 *** Hazzard_ is now known as Hazzard 18:09:54 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@2.81.37.251] has joined #openttd 18:11:10 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:12:30 <Eddi|zuHause> peter1139: actually i lied, there is one 18:13:30 <Eddi|zuHause> @commit 2850 18:13:30 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: Commit by miham :: r2850 trunk/newgrf.c (2005-08-11 12:51:59 UTC) 18:13:31 <DorpsGek> Eddi|zuHause: [newgrf] Patch from peter1139 18:13:52 <frosch> yay, commit message style 18:14:16 <Eddi|zuHause> yeah, we should fire this miham guy 18:14:57 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:15:46 <peter1139> :D 18:16:30 <Eddi|zuHause> and what a crazy diff that is 18:16:35 <Eddi|zuHause> -static uint16 grf_load_dword(byte **buf) 18:16:36 <Eddi|zuHause> +static uint32 grf_load_dword(byte **buf) 18:22:29 <Eddi|zuHause> http://www.synacktiv.com/ressources/TCP32764_backdoor_again.pdf 18:25:48 <Alberth> nice :p 18:28:11 <LordAro> :D 18:28:32 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host-78-149-99-22.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 18:31:33 *** Myhorta[2] [~Myhorta@2.81.37.251] has joined #openttd 18:34:00 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@2.81.37.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:39:56 *** montalvo [~montalvo@ip68-108-148-173.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #openttd 18:45:51 <peter1139> Nice. 18:46:06 <peter1139> $ python poc.py --shell 18:46:06 <peter1139> ERROR 18:46:07 <peter1139> :-( 18:47:30 <Wolf01> next mouse => touch pad at the place of the wheel/3rd button 18:48:10 <Wolf01> too bad I can't use the one of my laptop on the desktop as I don't have bluetooth 18:52:35 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:58:29 *** Myhorta[2] [~Myhorta@2.81.37.251] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:01:58 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:06:33 <andythenorth> is a dual-gauge railtype a wise idea? o_O 19:08:05 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:09:52 <peter1139> Yes but no. 19:10:26 <andythenorth> better not to 19:10:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i probably will make an optional one, if i ever start the railtype grf 19:11:42 <Snail> andythenorth: graphics would be a pain (at least at original zoom) 19:12:08 <Eddi|zuHause> offsets will probably be bad 19:17:01 <frosch> hmm, maybe that's the idea behind rct 19:17:11 <frosch> no discusson about dual-gauge coasters 19:22:19 *** DanMacK [~0a0a6574@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:23:13 <Alberth> I'm sure they'll find something else to discuss about :) 19:25:26 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 19:25:36 <V453000> first YETI investment :D membership on texture server 19:28:57 <Snail> hmm, something strange is happening using grfcodec 6.0.4 19:29:39 <Snail> it tells me a .PNG file is too âshortâ, i.e. Iâm referencing Y axis 110 - 130, while the file only has 90 pixels on the Y axis 19:29:59 <Snail> however, in my NFO code, Iâm actually referencing lines from 70 to around 82 19:30:19 <Snail> it seems grfcodec is mixing the Y locations with the next sprite's... 19:30:26 <Snail> and this didnât happen with grfcodec 6.0.3 19:31:33 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:36:19 <planetmaker> Snail, then please create a small test case which shows that behaviour. Bug tracker is at http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/grfcodec 19:37:08 <Snail> ok⊠Iâm going to put the NFO and the graphic files 19:37:35 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.1.167.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 19:37:53 <Djohaal> hm 19:39:13 <Djohaal> so any good working daylenght patches? 19:39:16 <planetmaker> yet I do not where that difference can be found between 6.0.3 and 6.0.4: https://paste.openttdcoop.org/show/3244/ 19:40:55 <Snail> one other difference is that 6.0.3 doesnât work anymore with the universal libpng 19:41:04 <Snail> this is why I had to upgrade 19:41:39 <Snail> whenever I run 6.0.3 now, it tells me â dyld: Library not loaded: /opt/local/lib/libpng14.14.dylib â 19:41:43 <frosch> Snail: if you are using nfo32, then x and y got swapped in order 19:41:47 <frosch> compared to nfo7 19:42:03 <peter1139> Yeah, I was just thinking that. 19:42:05 <Snail> frosch: Iâm still compiling my set in 8bpp 19:42:05 <planetmaker> where are your 123? You're now blue-green and not yellow anymore :P 19:42:16 <planetmaker> Snail, *that* is unrelated to using nfo32 19:42:25 <frosch> something broke this morning 19:42:33 <Snail> hmm, ok. So this is a question for MB and his m4nfo :) 19:42:49 <frosch> just check the first two lines of the nfo 19:42:55 <frosch> it should specify the nfo version 19:45:49 <Snail> ok, let me check 19:46:36 <Snail> the first two (non-commented) lines are: 19:46:40 <Snail> 0 * 4 27 25 00 00 19:46:48 <Snail> 1 * 0 01 00 b6 08 19:46:52 <frosch> i mean the commented ones :) 19:47:07 <frosch> it should say something like "do not modify - grfcodec is that silly" 19:47:10 <frosch> and "nfo version xxx" 19:48:13 <Snail> oh, ok 19:48:24 <Snail> thought they were irrelevant :p here they are: 19:48:37 <Snail> / Automatically generated by GRFCODEC. Do not modify! 19:48:38 <Snail> / (Info version 7) 19:48:39 <Snail> / Format: spritenum pcxfile xpos ypos compression ysize xsize xrel yrel 19:48:48 <Snail> so itâs still nfo7 I guess? 19:48:52 <frosch> yup 19:49:04 <peter1139> xpos ypos? 19:49:07 <peter1139> That's not version 7 19:49:11 <frosch> it is 19:49:20 <frosch> nfo 7 is x y y x x y 19:49:26 <peter1139> Oh it's size that's swapped :p 19:49:51 <frosch> those three lines are perfect examples wrt. what is wrong with grfcodec :) 19:50:50 <Snail> hmm 19:51:09 <Snail> yes thatâs right. Very confusing when writing the offsets 19:51:35 <Snail> anyway, this means itâs not the source of my problem 19:51:40 <andythenorth> this game needs to hurry up and build a fertiliser plant 19:54:26 <andythenorth> V453000: btw the rule of âno positive feedbacksâ for industry sets is absolutely not needed 19:54:40 <andythenorth> the game I am playing tells me that itâs fine and fun 19:58:11 *** Progman [~progman@p57A192C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:07:15 <Pikka> did you delete full firs yet? 20:07:38 <Pikka> like the poll suggested you ought? 20:08:18 <frosch> there were some follow up polls since then 20:09:15 <Pikka> those polls misrepresented the whatnots 20:10:23 <frosch> well, that applies to many polls 20:10:30 <frosch> maybe it's the nature of a poll 20:10:48 * peter1139 ponders staying on Squeeze, now that LTS has been announced. 20:11:02 <planetmaker> squeeze as lts? really? 20:11:05 <peter1139> Yes. 20:11:27 <peter1139> Not that long though. Feb 2016. 20:11:43 <peter1139> And i386/amd64 only. 20:22:03 <andythenorth> Pikka: not deleted 20:22:12 <andythenorth> maybe a new poll is needed 20:22:26 <andythenorth> âshould polls be allowed?' 20:22:44 <Pikka> yes but no-one will trust your polls now :) 20:22:47 <andythenorth> I *did* fix up enough of hoss and ship alpha-5 20:22:48 <Eddi|zuHause> just change the default value for every release :) 20:22:55 <Pikka> you'll misrepresent them 20:23:59 <andythenorth> naughty andythenorth 20:24:05 <andythenorth> BAD 20:28:06 *** Wing_ [~Wing@c-68-33-226-154.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 20:28:25 *** Wing_ [~Wing@c-68-33-226-154.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has quit [] 20:39:44 <andythenorth> also sleepy andythenorth 20:39:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host-78-149-99-22.as13285.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:44:04 *** Pikka [~Octomom@d110-32-11-122.rdl800.qld.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:03:54 <frosch> night 21:03:57 *** frosch [~frosch@frnk-5f747a8c.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:41:35 <Wolf01> sleepy me too, night all 21:41:48 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 22:00:19 *** Djohaal_ [~Djohaal@189.58.5.61.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #openttd 22:05:17 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@189.58.1.167.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:07:53 *** Progman [~progman@p57A192C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:18 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-4721.vo.lu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:18:59 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 23:37:49 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:38:45 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:41:12 *** Superuser [~superuser@cpc11-lewi15-2-0-cust98.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Hi, I'm a quit message virus. 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