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Â [www.adiirc.com]] 06:16:07 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:17:14 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 06:22:07 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 06:36:27 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 06:36:28 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:43:10 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc5-pres9-0-0-cust199.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:08:20 *** KouDy_ [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:09:42 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:10:38 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 07:15:00 *** KouDy [~koudy@188.75.190.58] has joined #openttd 07:20:19 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:01:01 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 08:04:26 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 08:17:31 <supermop> how do CC work in 32bpp? 08:18:15 <peter1139> Magic. Also by use of an 8bpp mask. 08:21:04 *** TheMask96 [martijn@gluttony.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:24:10 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 08:25:58 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 08:30:05 <planetmaker> supermop, you provide 32bpp sprite. And additionally an 8bpp (DOS palette) in the exact same size which provides the recolour information 08:30:39 <planetmaker> The 8bpp defines the hue modification made to the 32bpp sprite 08:30:58 <supermop> ok 08:31:14 <supermop> the cc area of the 32bpp part can just be grey then? 08:31:57 <supermop> i seem to have forgotten how to draw closed polygonal paths in illustrator since last night 08:32:50 <supermop> i feel it was next to the pen tool, yet i don't see anything there 08:32:59 <planetmaker> it could be just gray. But it could define brightness variation as well 08:33:12 <supermop> i take this to mean i should get a beer and try in a bit again 08:34:25 <supermop> planetmaker: if i draw a 32bpp grey gradient then mask with solid uniform color in the 8bpp mask, that will give me a smooth gradient of the CC? 08:35:17 <peter1139> Approximately. 08:35:18 <supermop> and if i say draw a beige gradient, 08:35:19 <planetmaker> I think so. 08:35:30 <peter1139> No, only the brightness is used. 08:35:50 <supermop> then i get dingy CC? 08:36:31 <supermop> ok 08:37:37 <supermop> so regardless of what color i draw the area under the mask, only it's absolute brightness is considered, not hue nor saturation? 08:38:17 <supermop> a bit of cart before the horse though until i remember how to draw this polygon 08:38:37 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:38:50 <peter1139> Yup 08:39:02 <peter1139> Best to stick to grey, in case that changes one day. 08:39:19 <supermop> not nested with the line segment nor rectangle tools 08:39:49 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 08:40:25 <supermop> and i used it 30 times yesterday 08:41:12 <supermop> too bad there is no history pallet like in photoshop 08:44:43 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@zeroshell2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 08:44:45 <supermop> ah it is the pen tool itself afterall, 08:45:02 <supermop> just need to click instead of click and drag 08:55:26 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:55:40 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@dhcp-089-098-029-118.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: reboot] 09:06:53 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:06:56 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 09:12:43 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-111-242.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:16:35 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@659AAJS93.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:19:13 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@dhcp-089-098-029-118.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 09:19:29 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 09:19:52 <Samu> hi all 09:23:29 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 09:27:53 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-76-130.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 09:28:32 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:29:00 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 09:33:43 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:38:52 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:39:10 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 09:47:28 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:48:51 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 09:49:57 *** fjb is now known as Guest7946 09:49:58 *** fjb [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:52:43 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 09:56:54 *** Guest7946 [~frank@000158aa.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:05:59 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:06:16 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:06:42 <Wolf01> moin 10:07:08 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:07:23 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 10:14:48 <peter1139> "Out of memory" 10:14:51 <peter1139> Never seen that before :p 10:15:51 *** APTX_ [~APTX@aptx.org] has joined #openttd 10:16:14 *** APTX [~APTX@aptx.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:19:59 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:23:24 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 10:25:46 <Samu> hey, when I read 1.4.0 was going to use SSE2 instructions, I thought it would no longer run on my Athlon XP 10:25:52 <Samu> glad it still works 10:26:19 <Samu> kudos to u 10:28:32 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:29:05 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 10:29:11 <peter1139> It can, but it's optional. 10:30:41 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:35:18 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 10:35:33 <Samu> Specialised animated SSE4 blitter, and non-animated SSE4.1, SSSE3 and SSE2 blitters 10:35:42 <Samu> must I use a command line for that? 10:36:16 <planetmaker> no. They're used automatically, if hardware supports it 10:38:06 <Samu> alright, thx 10:44:04 <Samu> hmm my cpu doesn't support SSE4, but supports SSE4A, is there a difference? 10:44:04 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:45:17 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 10:50:38 <Samu> Supports SSE-4A, SSE-4.1, SSE-4.2, SSSE-3, SSE-3, SSE-2, but not SSE-4. Hope I'm not being paranoid, though I've been some crashes on openttd startup 10:51:01 <Samu> been having* 10:51:25 <Samu> it's not always, just quite random 10:53:15 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 10:59:03 <planetmaker> that happens. And if you follow the suggested procedure to look at our bug tracker and open a new issue if the same thing hasn't been reported, then and only then there's a chance that they can be fixed 10:59:33 *** JdGordon| [~jonno@ppp118-209-26-153.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 10:59:34 <planetmaker> and of course opening an issue means to provide all the files OpenTTD asks you to provide 11:00:10 <peter1139> planetmaker, for me it automatically uses 32bpp-anim, so... 11:01:50 <peter1139> Hmm, 32bpp-optimized, heh. 11:02:08 <Samu> the crash is immediately on start up, not even the OpenTTD window opens 11:02:20 <Samu> there's no crash log 11:02:22 <planetmaker> peter1139, no blitter specified in cfg? 11:02:22 <peter1139> Ah, 32bpp-ssse3 when I pick zBase 11:02:25 <Samu> but it's very rare 11:02:42 <peter1139> Samu, if it's not every time, then it's not an SSE problem, I would think. 11:03:05 *** JdGordon1 [~jonno@ppp118-209-7-129.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:04:23 <peter1139> And stays with 32bpp-anim if I leave palette animation on. Makes sense. 11:04:27 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:04:48 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 11:05:08 <peter1139> And damn zBase's silly double-size icons :( 11:05:27 <Samu> im using the opengfx or original windows 11:05:28 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:05:41 <Samu> zbase is listed, but im not using it 11:07:45 <Samu> what I like from the original_windows set is the fat mouse cursor 11:07:59 <Samu> improves my accuracy 11:08:28 <Samu> not much about the rest 11:09:08 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 11:10:56 <Samu> oh yeah, the trees, they're in my opinion, better looking 11:12:03 <peter1139> Okay, big question ahead. 11:12:07 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@659AAJS93.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: gone] 11:12:08 <peter1139> Tea of coffee? 11:12:13 <Samu> tea 11:15:09 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:15:10 *** eQualizer [~lauri@46-163-226-192.blcnet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:17:52 *** eQualizer [~lauri@46-163-226-192.blcnet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:20:58 <Samu> I found the error in windows logs 11:21:08 <Samu> it's a kernel event error 11:21:14 <Samu> is that worrysome? 11:27:29 <Samu> im posting on bug tracker 11:27:31 <Samu> brb 11:28:02 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 11:29:24 <Samu> bah i always forget my password 11:29:55 <peter1139> That's why things like KeePass exist. 11:30:28 <Samu> just got in :) 11:33:09 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:33:09 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:d5:4a9:cea6:5f69] has joined #openttd 11:38:33 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 11:41:11 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:d5:4a9:cea6:5f69] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:45:02 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:d5:4a9:cea6:5f69] has joined #openttd 11:45:20 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:45:49 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 11:48:48 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:50:36 <Samu> https://bugs.openttd.org/task/6000 11:55:43 <Eddi|zuHause> that doesn't really tell anything 11:56:36 <Samu> i found a crash log apparently, let me upload 11:56:53 <Samu> it's of 2 days ago though 12:00:03 <Samu> uploaded 12:02:04 <peter1139> Blitter: 8bpp-optimized 12:03:29 <Samu> is that bad? 12:03:41 <peter1139> No it just means it's absolutely nothing to do with SSE. 12:03:45 <V453000> everything is bad 12:03:48 <planetmaker> no. But the proof that all chit-chat about SSE blitter is totally unrelated 12:03:58 <Samu> oki 12:11:27 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:22:06 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:27:11 <supermop> eclipse tomorrow 12:27:18 <supermop> and i dont have glasses... 12:30:35 <planetmaker> solar? 12:32:37 <peter1139> Of the heart. 12:39:57 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 12:40:07 <supermop> solar 12:45:21 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:55:17 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:56:31 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 12:59:20 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 13:00:15 <Eddi|zuHause> you probably don't need glasses for a lunar eclipse :p 13:08:16 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:09:43 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 13:10:23 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:12:47 *** UukGoblin [~jaa@91.121.13.131] has joined #openttd 13:13:03 *** HobGoblin [~jaa@yatima.uukgoblin.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:24:37 *** Superuser_ [~superuser@cpc11-lewi15-2-0-cust98.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 13:25:54 *** Superuser_ [~superuser@cpc11-lewi15-2-0-cust98.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has quit [] 13:33:31 *** supermop [~daniel_er@d110-33-173-77.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: supermop] 13:39:49 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-169-2-218.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #openttd 14:32:51 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 14:39:48 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:42:28 <peter1139> Eddi|zuHause, http://someimage.com/6xZbXTm 14:42:55 <Eddi|zuHause> oh... 14:43:03 <Eddi|zuHause> that must be extreme luck 14:45:43 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:45:45 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 14:46:43 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19:40 *** SylvieLorxu [~sylvie@dslb-178-001-152-057.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 15:21:32 <SylvieLorxu> Hey everyone, I was wondering if there was any way to have the online content browser which is included in OpenTTD (I run 1.1.4 on Trisquel GNU/Linux) list the licenses. I'd like to know what license something I download is under, especially if it isn't necessarily the same license as the game 15:24:10 <Taede> online content browser has a license button, which allows you to see the license under which a specific item is released 15:24:13 <Taede> on 1.4.0 anyway 15:24:25 <Taede> may have been added somewhere between 1.1.4 and 1.4.0 15:25:09 <SylvieLorxu> Ah, okay, then it's probably just me being outdated 15:25:33 <SylvieLorxu> Thanks a lot, Taede 15:25:44 <Taede> yw 15:26:28 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 15:42:40 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has joined #openttd 15:46:21 *** DanMacK [~0a0a6574@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 15:46:29 <DanMacK> Hey all 15:47:52 <SylvieLorxu> Hi 15:50:19 <Taede> ello 15:51:34 *** KillerByte [~quassel@c-67-160-166-115.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 15:55:14 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:58:08 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6D6ED.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:58:10 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-11053.vo.lu] has joined #openttd 16:02:14 *** xT2 [~ST2@2.81.235.170] has quit [Quit: On the rocks! ^^] 16:02:38 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.53.45] has joined #openttd 16:03:43 <Phreeze> day 16:08:12 *** xT2 [~ST2@bl20-235-170.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 16:09:28 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 16:21:00 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 16:21:03 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:25:09 <Alberth> evenink 16:26:04 <planetmaker> oddink 16:26:37 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B464.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:28:24 <Rubidium> EHLO 16:33:32 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:33:44 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 16:34:18 <Samu> to host a server, port forwarding is UDP or TCP or both? 16:34:21 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 16:34:36 <Samu> and have it advertised 16:35:00 <planetmaker> both. on both ports 16:35:25 <Samu> ok, i hosted a game, let's see whoever joins 16:36:53 <Samu> hmm nop, it's not on the list, i failed somewhere 16:39:05 <Samu> aha, it's there 16:39:06 <Samu> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/80714 16:41:24 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:46:43 <Phreeze> wait a sec i join ;) 16:47:40 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.53.45] has quit [] 16:47:53 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.53.45] has joined #openttd 16:53:12 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:d5:4a9:cea6:5f69] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:59:02 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@zeroshell2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:03:41 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 17:06:36 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 17:08:44 *** DanMacK [~0a0a6574@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:18:02 *** Chrill [Chrill@c83-253-81-174.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #openttd 17:24:45 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3310.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:27:40 <Samu> can the game auto pause when there are no players, even AIs? 17:28:07 <Samu> there's AI's in it :( 17:28:16 <peter1139> Should be able to. 17:28:31 <Samu> ok let me find the setting 17:30:07 <Samu> network.min_active_clients = 0 17:31:00 <Taede> set that to 1 17:31:06 <Taede> only works for dedicated servers though 17:31:43 <planetmaker> well, in single player it's pointless :D 17:32:11 <planetmaker> maybe also with non-dedicated ones 17:32:21 <Samu> i am spectator 17:32:52 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 17:33:20 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B464.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33:34 <Samu> hmm, not pausing, i kicked all AI's 17:33:39 <Samu> let me restart 17:34:05 <planetmaker> AIs don't count towards the client limit 17:34:35 <Samu> there were 2 non-ai companies, but there was no one else in the game, just me as spectator 17:36:45 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f7478c6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 17:36:52 <LordAro> quak 17:36:58 <frosch123> hola 17:40:14 <Samu> automatically pause when starting a new game: on, let me try off 17:44:08 *** Haube [~michi@37-4-140-125-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 17:47:50 <Samu> meh, doesn't work, i'll figure it out later 17:48:00 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:edd1:239a:e56:a8b4] has joined #openttd 17:49:48 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26537 /trunk/src/lang (57 files in 2 dirs) (2014-04-28 17:49:35 UTC) 17:49:49 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:49:50 <DorpsGek> catalan - 24 changes by juanjo 17:49:51 <DorpsGek> english_US - 25 changes by Supercheese 17:49:52 <DorpsGek> finnish - 31 changes by jpx_ 17:49:53 <DorpsGek> german - 32 changes by planetmaker 17:49:54 <DorpsGek> korean - 43 changes by telk5093 17:49:55 <DorpsGek> luxembourgish - 39 changes by Phreeze 17:49:56 <DorpsGek> russian - 17 changes by Lone_Wolf 17:52:13 <Samu> strange, i can't spectate anymore? 17:52:36 <Phreeze> ? 17:52:40 <Phreeze> max clients ? 17:52:42 <Samu> i restarted server 17:52:46 <Phreeze> spectators off ? 17:52:53 <Samu> and on the restart i couldn't move myself to spectator 17:53:16 <Phreeze> is it the 64 64 map ? 17:53:19 <Samu> is it off? 17:53:20 <Samu> yes 17:53:23 <Phreeze> i spectated ;) 17:54:07 <Samu> strange behaviour, i could build an HQ, but i was autocleaned 17:56:01 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:edd1:239a:e56:a8b4] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:57:24 <Samu> lol, it happened again 17:57:27 *** Hazzard [~0a0a6574@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 17:57:40 <Samu> i was building a route, boom... autocleaned 17:58:05 <Rubidium> you set the rules for it 17:58:13 <Rubidium> apparantly a bit too soon ;) 17:58:25 <Samu> i wasn't colored 17:58:32 <Samu> but i was playing on company 1 17:58:39 <Samu> client list didn't agree 17:59:14 <Samu> i am pretty sure this is a bug 17:59:25 <Samu> let me try another way 17:59:56 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:edd1:239a:e56:a8b4] has joined #openttd 18:00:06 <Samu> ok, i created a server again, back from the multiplayer menu 18:00:10 <Samu> now I'm orange 18:00:21 <Samu> client list also lists me as orange 18:00:29 <Samu> now moving to spectator 18:00:45 <Samu> not colored anymore 18:02:14 <Samu> company was autoclean 18:02:28 <Samu> now i'm typing restart in the console 18:02:44 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:02:56 <Samu> I can build as orange, again 18:03:05 <Samu> but on the client list, i am not orange, im without a color 18:03:48 <Samu> i can build stuff apparently 18:03:57 <Samu> but autoclean counter is ticking 18:05:11 <Phreeze> im not a server expert 18:05:13 <Phreeze> sry 18:05:15 <Samu> autocleaned again 18:10:44 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:17:44 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:24:55 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has joined #openttd 18:35:57 <planetmaker> Samu, "restart" in the console will restart your client. only 'rcon PW "restart"' will restart the server 18:37:22 <Samu> some weird things happening 18:37:41 <Samu> my name was suddenly changed to Joyful Propeica 18:37:50 <Samu> that was not my name 18:37:53 <Samu> it's Samu 18:38:10 <Samu> that's someone else 18:38:23 <Samu> how did I get his name? 18:40:40 *** Hazzard [~0a0a6574@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:41:00 <Alberth> did you set a password on your company? 18:41:13 <Samu> yes, it's automaticaly set 18:44:49 <Phreeze> lol 18:44:55 <Phreeze> running gamescripts ? 18:46:28 <Samu> no, i joined vulturis server 18:46:35 <Samu> i had a company there before 18:47:00 <Samu> i said hi, and right away it said my name was Joyful Propeica... 18:47:14 <Samu> joyful propeica: hi 18:47:20 <Samu> should be Samu: hi 18:47:42 <Samu> vulturis server is running a script i guess 18:47:46 <Samu> there's a goal 18:49:53 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:53:33 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:58:09 <Samu> planetmaker: when i type restart, a player that was in the game, came along shortly after 18:58:35 <Samu> only I get placed in the wrong slot 18:58:53 <Samu> should become spectator if I restart while being a spectator 18:59:28 <planetmaker> yes 18:59:35 <planetmaker> and that's what happens for me 19:00:01 <Samu> it starts a company 1 19:00:11 <Samu> there's some issue with it 19:00:31 <Samu> I can build as company 1, but I'm not on it, according to client list 19:00:41 <Samu> I didn't try the rcon command yet 19:06:30 <planetmaker> hm, do we have a quick method to see which container format a grf file is encoded with? 19:07:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 19:07:56 <andythenorth> o/ 19:08:06 <Samu> just tried rcon PW "restart" 19:08:11 <Samu> it does the same thing 19:08:32 <Samu> i can build as company 1 while the client list puts me as spectator 19:09:15 <Samu> expecting the autoclean to kill me 19:09:28 <Rubidium> planetmaker: md5sum grf == grfid -m grf ? 19:10:06 <Samu> yup, autocleaned 19:10:44 *** funnel_ is now known as funnel 19:12:06 <planetmaker> hm, true :) thx, Rubidium 19:12:21 <Taede> this raises a question wrt to non-dedicated servers 19:12:57 <Taede> should the hosting player be allowed to build for company #1 even though the player is not actually within the company? 19:12:57 <planetmaker> Rubidium, I can't grfstrip 32bpp from container format1, right? 19:14:28 <Rubidium> planetmaker: I wonder how you'd manage to get 32bpp graphics in container format 1 19:15:54 <frosch123> it's quite trivial :) 19:16:09 <frosch123> the stripping of the 32bpp graphics i mean 19:27:38 *** SylvieLorxu [~sylvie@dslb-178-001-152-057.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:31:51 <Samu> done: https://bugs.openttd.org/task/6001 19:32:41 <planetmaker> Rubidium, then I probably didn't :) 19:33:04 <LordAro> was it ever worked out if OTTD was originally reverse-engineered (from the assembly) or from scratch? 19:33:37 <frosch123> i wouldn't know, but what is the difference? 19:33:44 <planetmaker> Only one who knows 19:34:22 <LordAro> well, this openrct2 keeps popping up, along with OTTD as an "example" for reverse engineering 19:35:43 <planetmaker> how is openrctX related to openttd's origin? 19:36:09 <LordAro> https://github.com/IntelOrca/OpenRCT2 because it definitely has been reverse engineered from the assembly 19:36:57 <LordAro> and laughably, stuck a GPLv3 license on it 19:37:21 <planetmaker> so it seems 19:37:40 <planetmaker> "An open source clone of Roller Coaster Tycoon 2 built by decompiling the original game one bit at a time." 19:38:10 <frosch123> sounds like opendune 19:38:23 <frosch123> hmm, though that was even more weird 19:38:26 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:38:29 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 19:38:38 <frosch123> LordAro: anyway, they say they use sdl2 :) 19:38:58 <LordAro> ...which is included as a .dll in their git repo D: 19:39:25 <planetmaker> that's the easy approach 19:39:34 <planetmaker> you don't have to worry about versions and stuff of libraries 19:39:41 <frosch123> we also have an ottd useful package for the issues with windows 19:39:50 <LordAro> but.. binary files... git repo.. 19:40:02 <frosch123> not every os comes with a big package manager which gives you everything 19:40:21 <frosch123> LordAro: ottd also has .grf files :) 19:40:41 <frosch123> binary files are fine if you do not care about the history 19:40:55 <LordAro> fine then 19:41:02 <LordAro> their *own* executable in the git repo 19:41:06 <planetmaker> for libraries it's even fine if you care. But it adds (avoidable) bloat 19:41:19 <frosch123> LordAro: ok, that's unusual 19:41:39 <andythenorth> ho 19:41:50 <andythenorth> cdist requires a lot more âno loadingâ orders than normal :) 19:45:08 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:48:39 *** Chrill [Chrill@c83-253-81-174.bredband.comhem.se] has quit [] 19:49:59 *** LSky [~LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:50:07 * andythenorth has some ideas... 19:50:40 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B464.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 19:50:48 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.53.45] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:52:19 <andythenorth> Alberth: can you remember why consists got mired in doom and gloom last time it was seriously discussed? 19:52:21 <andythenorth> no? 19:52:27 <andythenorth> me neither, can we discuss again? 19:53:11 <planetmaker> what does "mired in doom and gloom" mean? 19:53:21 <planetmaker> and how did they happen to die? 19:53:26 <LordAro> on an unrelated matter, what's wrong with this? http://fpaste.org/97580/39871329/ it causes invalid read/writes 19:53:32 *** Dan9550 [~dan9550@122.298.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:53:46 <andythenorth> planetmaker: do you need a literal translation, or the sense of the phrase? :D 19:55:56 <Alberth> andythenorth: for me the first step was to have consists in the implementation, instead of just chains of train vehicles, but that failed when I tried. In the mean time michi did some work there, although I haven't checked what exactly 19:56:17 <Rubidium> LordAro: you'd have to be more precise about where it thinks it has invalid reads/writes 19:56:32 <andythenorth> I have been doing a lot of auto-replace recently 19:56:38 <Rubidium> LordAro: it *might* be some optimisations in libc causing it 19:56:39 <planetmaker> andythenorth, literal. Expanding my vocabulary. Intention is clear :) 19:56:58 <LordAro> Rubidium: the snprintf 19:57:09 <andythenorth> mired = stuck, like in mud. Horses get mired in swamps and die. Think of the sad bit of Neverending Story 19:57:23 <planetmaker> oh :( 19:57:32 <planetmaker> thanks :) 19:57:35 <andythenorth> âdoom and gloomâ = colloquialism for looking on the down side 19:57:44 <andythenorth> like dang and sturm I think, without the anger 19:57:45 <andythenorth> maybe 19:57:50 <andythenorth> my german is not good 19:57:50 <Rubidium> LordAro: might be the libc optimisation; did your libc get updated recently and valgrind wasn't? 19:57:59 <andythenorth> also known as âeeyore tendencyâ 19:58:26 <LordAro> Rubidium: arch... so unlikely? 19:58:41 <LordAro> the people in ##c suggested something to do with the cast might be screwing it up 19:58:58 <andythenorth> doom and gloom is what happens when we want to do a feature, and a train nerd turns up and argues for three hours straight about why we must do it their way 19:59:11 <andythenorth> even if the implementation doesnât support it 19:59:13 <Rubidium> that shouldn't cause out-of-bounds reads or writes 19:59:33 <Rubidium> though, that's easy to check. Remove the const from line 2 and the cast on line 8 19:59:33 <andythenorth> doom and gloom is what happens if you read an Andrex thread. Or trolling. 20:00:02 <andythenorth> trolling is an acceptable response to doom and gloom 20:00:11 <Rubidium> what... I thought my reply was superb ;) 20:00:43 <planetmaker> unrelated, can sphinx also generate a nice one-file readme.txt file instead of sets of rich text or html files? 20:00:52 <LordAro> hmm, removing the const is more difficult, due to the -Werror :L 20:00:55 <planetmaker> I somehow didn't find that but feel I must overlook it 20:01:04 <Rubidium> LordAro: why? 20:01:22 <LordAro> Rubidium: errors wherever it's used 20:01:52 <Rubidium> but no alloc should return a const pointer 20:02:01 <Rubidium> if it does, then it's stupid 20:02:06 <LordAro> no, the result of the function 20:02:07 * andythenorth been wondering if âconsistsâ should be done as an extension of auto-replace. 20:02:14 <LordAro> Rubidium: this is actually C, rather than C++ 20:02:36 <andythenorth> also could we auto-replace to ânoneâ? 20:02:44 <Rubidium> LordAro: I am not talking about the const in line 1, only the one in line 2 20:03:07 <Rubidium> non-const to const conversion are "free" 20:03:32 <LordAro> apparently not, since it error'd 20:03:54 <Rubidium> really? 20:03:56 <Rubidium> that's stupid 20:04:31 <LordAro> error: returning 'char **' from a function with result type 'const char **' discards qualifiers in nested pointer types 20:04:45 <andythenorth> Alberth: can you remember what you got stuck on? 20:05:15 <Alberth> train replacement, iirc 20:05:44 <Rubidium> LordAro: then add a const char ** cast at the return 20:06:12 <Rubidium> it's just to prove that it's not the const that's giving the memory overread error 20:06:23 *** Haube [~michi@37-4-140-125-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:06:42 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 20:07:23 <LordAro> Rubidium: same message indeed 20:08:38 <andythenorth> Alberth: allowing that I know nothing about the implementation, I wondered about using the current auto-replace machinery to handle preserving cargo etc 20:08:52 * andythenorth has a picture in brain, but not words to explain it :P 20:10:39 <Alberth> andythenorth: it breaks the train into vehicles, and replaces them. Thanks to NewGRF weirdnesses, you cannot split at arbitrary points, so after splitting checks are done for newgrf consistency, and more shuffles were done if needed. If you have just 2 chains of vehicles moving a vehicle is changing its chain. If you also have a consist, you have to handle the consist too. Last but not least, if it fails, there is a backup original layout, 20:11:31 <Alberth> in all it proved too complicated for me, at least at the time 20:11:42 <andythenorth> Alberth: we canât âjustâ store the cargo packets, scrap the train, and build a new one, then load it? 20:12:26 <andythenorth> I guess thereâs vehicle age and reliability and crap :P 20:12:41 <Alberth> you need to preserve buy time, services, breakdowns, and crap, indeed :) 20:13:27 <andythenorth> yeah newgrf attaches a very big boat anchor to this 20:13:43 <andythenorth> FWIW, the sets Iâm doing have none of these fricking stupid restrictions 20:14:22 <andythenorth> well I can do the scrap-and-buy-a-new-one myself with clone 20:14:34 <Alberth> great, now I have to program it, and it's not even used :p 20:14:50 <andythenorth> it just feels like an inefficient use of capital due to depreciation :P 20:14:57 * andythenorth is a model capitalist 20:15:16 <Alberth> nah, as long as the bottom line is positive, it's ok 20:15:25 <Alberth> it's just virtual money any way :) 20:15:58 <andythenorth> scrap-and-buy seems completely clunky as a way of adding e.g. just one wagon to 8 trains 20:16:21 <andythenorth> and I have to do it for empty trains only 20:16:33 <Alberth> I tend to do that manually 20:16:47 <andythenorth> I do, but itâs annoying enough to try and find a solution 20:17:12 <andythenorth> esp. e.g. when you need double or triple engines in early game, then not later 20:17:28 <andythenorth> but again, scrap-and-buy is totally a solution, if you look at it only logically 20:17:42 <Alberth> it is indeed 20:17:48 * andythenorth wonders if automating scrap-and-buy would be a good move 20:18:04 <andythenorth> âreplace this train with a clone of train x" 20:18:35 <andythenorth> I canât see how consists would *ever* handle the stupid newgrf stuff easily 20:18:55 <andythenorth> whereas âreplace with clone of existing trainâ puts the work on the player to build the first consist 20:19:00 <Alberth> feels like stacking more crap onto the current system without a nice goal in the end 20:19:15 <andythenorth> well thatâs a proven approach so far :) 20:19:32 <Alberth> consists also need to be constructed by the player 20:19:47 <andythenorth> ah 20:19:48 <Alberth> you just don't have to buy them 20:20:07 <Alberth> ie they are not rotting in a depot somewhere :) 20:20:28 <andythenorth> hmm 20:20:51 <andythenorth> also related but different, there is no fast way to assign shared-orders to all trains in a group 20:21:02 <andythenorth> I donât know why I only noticed that today, but it suddenly seems very painful 20:21:16 <andythenorth> maybe it is because I have a toddler who builds 20 planes without orders, then wants them all routed 20:21:29 <Alberth> groups are sufficiently broken to be useless imho 20:21:36 <andythenorth> ha :) 20:21:42 <andythenorth> they work brilliantly for me currently 20:21:50 <andythenorth> I am one of their few fans I think 20:22:04 <Alberth> I think they have lots of fans 20:22:29 <Alberth> I just don't care much for the rolling stock :p 20:35:14 <Xaroth|Work> LordAro: I'm tempted to open an issue at openrct2 pointing that out tbh 20:35:40 <LordAro> :p 20:39:23 <Xaroth|Work> and to be fair, OpenDUNE also has a GPL2 license file attached :P 20:40:57 <Xaroth|Work> planetmaker: https://github.com/IntelOrca/OpenRCT2/issues/1 20:41:12 <Xaroth|Work> funny, he actually looked at openttd 0.1 o_O 20:42:00 <planetmaker> well, that's the state of his project. So that's where I'd compare, too :) 20:42:45 * Xaroth|Work shrugs 20:47:04 * LordAro grumbles about all the attention it is getting 20:50:03 <Xaroth|Work> hm, the man has a point though 20:50:06 <Xaroth|Work> looking at the 0.1 source 20:50:15 <Xaroth|Work> looks quite a lot like IDA processing :P 20:51:12 <planetmaker> yup :) 20:51:29 <planetmaker> but who knows... 20:52:29 <Xaroth|Work> ludde does, duh :p 20:54:00 <peter1139> What's the problem with it? 20:54:18 <Xaroth|Work> with what? 20:54:30 <peter1139> OpenRCT2 20:55:04 <Xaroth|Work> other than it making a statement that openttd was reverse engineered, not much tbh 20:55:06 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 20:55:27 <peter1139> What's the problem there? 20:55:37 <LordAro> well, the GPLv3 license and the very obvious reverse engineered code are a bit dubious also 20:56:06 <Xaroth|Work> peter1139: to my knowledge the dev team has taken no stance in whether or not openttd has been reverse engineered or not 20:56:21 <peter1139> Uh... what? 20:57:00 * andythenorth smokes a bit of crack 20:57:13 <andythenorth> if thatâs what weâre doing here 20:57:15 <andythenorth> : 20:57:16 <peter1139> andythenorth, care to share? I might understand some more... 20:57:16 <andythenorth> :) 20:57:27 <andythenorth> Iâll mail some 20:57:29 <andythenorth> no warranty 20:57:34 <andythenorth> crackware 20:59:21 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:03 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 21:00:24 <Xaroth|Work> funneh, ludde lives 21:00:41 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:00:49 *** Progman [~progman@p57A1B464.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:50 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:01:10 <peter1139> Xaroth|Work, why does it need a stance? That's like taking a stance over whether the Thames is in London or not. 21:01:56 <pthagnar> well 21:01:57 <pthagnar> partly 21:02:02 <pthagnar> most of it isn't 21:02:04 <pthagnar> i think 21:02:05 <frosch123> i haven't been to london, i couldn't tell 21:02:15 <peter1139> :-) 21:03:05 *** MrShell [~mrshell@5.158.163.93] has joined #openttd 21:03:29 <Rubidium> depends on the definition of London I guess 21:03:43 <pthagnar> that would involve taking a stance 21:03:47 <pthagnar> qed 21:04:31 <peter1139> o_O 21:04:52 <andythenorth> am I allowed to win SV by storing up cargo and then delivering it all at once? 21:05:06 <planetmaker> andythenorth, why not? 21:05:19 <planetmaker> The problem might be storing all the cargo 21:05:30 <andythenorth> stop vehicles 21:06:00 <planetmaker> you'll need *many* vehicles 21:06:12 <planetmaker> and what's the gain in the sudden-death delivery? 21:06:23 <Rubidium> but then... it's the same question as: are you the same person as you were a decade ago? 21:06:36 <planetmaker> would make sense in competive MP, possibly 21:06:51 *** MrShell [~mrshell@5.158.163.93] has quit [] 21:06:57 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26538 /trunk/src (24 files in 8 dirs) (2014-04-28 21:06:51 UTC) 21:06:58 <DorpsGek> -Codechange: remove double accounting of the drivers 21:07:49 <frosch123> andythenorth: just count correctly :) 21:08:10 <frosch123> don't deliver 10 tons to few from one of the industries 21:08:48 <andythenorth> he :) 21:09:24 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26539 trunk/src/driver.cpp (2014-04-28 21:09:19 UTC) 21:09:25 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5994]: [Windows] Crash due to assuming (formerly) _video_driver is being set before the operating system has time to perform the first "paint" callback 21:11:35 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 21:12:48 <LordAro> Rubidium: it's more of the issue that it's publicly available - ludde, if he did RE it, never published anything until it at least looked reasonably clean 21:14:09 <Rubidium> I think the point is more that AFAIK ludde claims that at the time he began openttd the things he did were legal in his country 21:14:48 <Rubidium> I can't tell what the laws were in his country, I was merely given the source code under GPL v2 long after whatever he did had taken place 21:15:49 <peter1139> https://wiki.openttd.org/OpenTTD#Enter_OpenTTD 21:15:51 <peter1139> Heh 21:16:33 <peter1139> So anyway, acting like it's some secret or that "nobody knows" is pretty silly. 21:17:13 <andythenorth> bloody docks 21:17:28 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.98.113.27] has joined #openttd 21:17:56 <TrueBrain> Rubidium: you remember correctly ;) 21:21:07 <LordAro> TrueBrain: you are the oldest one still around, iirc :p 21:21:39 <peter1139> Oldest or longest? 21:21:49 <peter1139> Pretty sure I'm older, not to mention others :-) 21:22:02 <andythenorth> also bloody station newgrfs and their flickering cargo sprites 21:22:04 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:22:22 <TrueBrain> awh, peter is jealous of my age 21:22:22 <planetmaker> he's for sure not the oldest ;) 21:22:23 <TrueBrain> how cute 21:22:26 <Xaroth|Work> I was tempted to insert a witty joke there, but then I realised that he has no issue what-so-ever to kick me :P 21:22:35 <peter1139> TrueBrain, yeah, I wish I was young again ;( 21:22:46 <TrueBrain> @kick Xaroth|Work that is correct 21:22:49 <TrueBrain> Awh! 21:22:51 <TrueBrain> @whoami 21:22:51 <DorpsGek> TrueBrain: I don't recognize you. 21:22:53 <TrueBrain> dammit 21:22:56 <TrueBrain> llucky you 21:22:58 <planetmaker> FAIL :P 21:22:59 <Xaroth|Work> :D 21:23:13 <LordAro> :D 21:23:28 <Xaroth|Work> now he's busy re-authing himself (and his new hostmask) so he can kick me. 21:23:47 <planetmaker> yup 21:24:01 <TrueBrain> you would be surprised 21:24:01 <LordAro> tbh, i fully expect myself to be kicked instead 21:24:02 <frosch123> @op Xaroth|Work 21:24:05 *** mode/#openttd [+o Xaroth|Work] by DorpsGek 21:24:15 <planetmaker> :D 21:24:24 <frosch123> just to make it a litter interesting :) 21:24:32 <Xaroth|Work> oh how tempting 21:24:44 <Xaroth|Work> but I'm not that mean *eyes TrueBrain* 21:24:56 <planetmaker> well-tamed 21:25:05 <frosch123> well, it's kind of a western duel :p 21:25:14 <planetmaker> :P 21:26:22 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:26:45 *** mode/#openttd [-o Xaroth|Work] by Xaroth|Work 21:26:49 <TrueBrain> such a pussy 21:27:07 <TrueBrain> (always insult AFTER the privs have dropped) 21:27:15 <Xaroth|Work> I had expected nothing less 21:27:45 <Xaroth|Work> but it was not like I could win that one :P 21:28:40 <frosch123> carpe diem :) 21:33:16 <LordAro> intriguing. as a result of my apparent memory errors, instead of displaying "...[x001]" it displays "...[x!" 21:33:26 <planetmaker> g'night 21:33:29 <Xaroth|Work> nn pm 21:33:44 <LordAro> however! if i run it with valgrind, or any of clang's memory or address sanitizers, it displays fine 21:33:58 <peter1139> You have memory errors? 21:34:05 <peter1139> And you are still using that memory? 21:34:19 <LordAro> as far as we can tell, no 21:34:25 <LordAro> happens on all computers 21:34:32 <peter1139> Uh... 21:35:17 <LordAro> feel free to debug yourself: https://github.com/HackSoc/LudumDare29/blob/master/item.c#L16 21:35:23 <LordAro> we're having no luck 21:44:14 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 21:44:16 <TrueBrain> are you debugging an overly eager optimizer? :D 21:44:38 <LordAro> at this point, possibly 21:44:55 <Pulec> i could never understand where is old type of acceleration default in settings 21:44:56 <LordAro> but no optimisations are turned on 21:45:13 <TrueBrain> there is no such thing LordAro :P 21:45:20 <frosch123> LordAro: found the bug, what do i get? 21:45:20 <LordAro> :p 21:45:25 <TrueBrain> but tracing issues is fuuuunnnnnnn :D 21:45:30 <LordAro> frosch123: really? 21:45:44 <LordAro> i would honestly attempt to buy you cake 21:46:02 <frosch123> you are using silly macros which don't tell what they do, and you forgot what they do 21:46:07 <frosch123> check xalloc 21:46:33 <frosch123> and then wonder what sizeof(strlen(theitem->name) + 7 + 1) is :p 21:47:10 <LordAro> ah. 21:47:20 <frosch123> rule number 37: never trust stuff that starts with x or so 21:47:40 <LordAro> ah. so much ah. 21:47:47 <peter1139> malloc 21:47:49 <peter1139> or heck, asprintf 21:47:51 <Xaroth|Work> frosch123: you might want to send him your address, for said cake :P 21:47:58 <peter1139> if it's good enough for openbsd... 21:48:05 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3310.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 21:48:19 <TrueBrain> LordAro, when did you start working on OpenSSL? *poor-joke-is-poor* 21:48:31 <LordAro> i didn't write these functions! 21:48:40 <TrueBrain> *trolllsssssss* 21:48:41 <Xaroth|Work> that's what she said 21:48:48 <LordAro> even if i was using them incorrectly! 21:49:38 <LordAro> frosch123: seriously, i could at least send you money or something :) 21:49:52 <frosch123> who needs money? 21:49:57 <SpComb> valgrind ./openttd 21:50:00 <TrueBrain> wow, you really are going to send him 15,000 dollar? 21:50:04 <TrueBrain> impressive ;) 21:50:08 <Xaroth|Work> gheh 21:50:18 <Xaroth|Work> * TrueBrain is now known as TrollBrain 21:50:19 <LordAro> TrueBrain: just enough for a cake :p 21:50:25 <frosch123> TrueBrain: "dollar" is dangerous, there are lots of dollars 21:50:32 <TrueBrain> hmm ... cake ..... 21:51:20 <Eddi|zuHause> the cake is a lie 21:51:29 <peter1139> Anyone done connection pooling in C#? 21:51:38 <TrueBrain> Anyone done C#? 21:51:41 <peter1139> Yeah, me. 21:51:43 <TrueBrain> *gets his shotgun* 21:52:03 * Eddi|zuHause admits to using C# for about half a year, before i discovered python 21:52:10 <Xaroth|Work> I've briefly done C#.. but then TrueBrain told me about python 21:52:25 <TrueBrain> you sure it was "told"? 21:52:29 <TrueBrain> that sounds too kind 21:52:36 <glx> with a gun maybe ;) 21:52:41 <SpComb> peter1139: /* connection_close(c); */ 21:52:48 <peter1139> Har 21:53:14 <frosch123> hmm, on what coding subject are c# and python considered alternatives? 21:53:23 <Xaroth|Work> frosch123: web 21:53:40 <frosch123> c# does web stuff these days? 21:53:45 <Xaroth|Work> asp.net ? 21:53:55 <Xaroth|Work> but I grew tired of ui crap 21:53:58 <Xaroth|Work> and wanted to do web 21:54:03 <Eddi|zuHause> the project i used C# on was "webservices" 21:54:45 <SpComb> while (select(...) < 0 && errno == ENFILE) { close(random() * FD_SETSIZE / RAND_MAX); } 21:55:15 <peter1139> c# did web stuff from the beginning. 21:55:23 <peter1139> WebForms was pretty shitty mind you. 21:55:33 <Xaroth|Work> they improved it? 21:56:42 <peter1139> Replaced. MVC with Razor syntax is pretty normal now. 21:57:20 <SpComb> eegh, too tired already 21:57:30 <SpComb> while (accept(...) < 0 && errno == ENFILE) { close(random() * FD_SETSIZE / RAND_MAX); } 21:58:37 <frosch123> "while (still_not_crashed()) crash();" ? 21:58:48 <SpComb> why would that crash 21:59:36 <Eddi|zuHause> frosch123: is that from the windows source code? 21:59:51 <Xaroth|Work> Eddi|zuHause: it looks like it 22:00:22 <Eddi|zuHause> i vaguely remember a line like this 22:03:54 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:edd1:239a:e56:a8b4] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06:51 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-11053.vo.lu] has quit [] 22:13:13 <frosch123> Eddi|zuHause: yeah, i think it was some "funny picture" 15 years ago with some fake win source code 22:13:48 <Eddi|zuHause> it was a text file when i saw it 22:14:00 <Eddi|zuHause> and yes, 15-ish years ago 22:14:24 <Eddi|zuHause> although i've seen various versions, some shorter and some longer. and varying version numbers 22:14:26 <frosch123> yeah, quite possible that "funny pictures" were "funny textfiles" 15 years ago :) 22:16:16 <frosch123> night 22:16:20 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f7478c6.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 22:24:20 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@5070A0D5.static.ziggozakelijk.nl] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:29:24 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:9d5b:2332:bb98:e67c] has joined #openttd 22:33:32 *** Eearslya_ [~meow@subsonic.dragonstripes.net] has joined #openttd 22:34:52 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:37:53 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:39:05 *** Eearslya [~meow@subsonic.dragonstripes.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:45:35 *** Devroush [~dennis@dD5765BAC.access.telenet.be] has quit [] 22:55:46 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:22:15 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-169-2-218.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:37:55 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:06 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit []