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00:08:04 *** Hazzard_ [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:16:49 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 00:18:51 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3043.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 00:41:52 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc5-pres9-0-0-cust199.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 01:19:52 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:2887:191f:3998:2b21] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:24:24 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 01:46:00 <supermop> hi danmack 01:48:51 <supermop> oops he's gone 02:21:19 *** abchirk_ [~abchirk@p57A083EE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 02:24:20 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc5-pres9-0-0-cust199.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:28:33 *** MaximumTimbo [~tim@c-71-228-132-229.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 02:28:34 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p57A083A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 02:29:59 <MaximumTimbo> When does the next game begin? I have the nightly build, but have the most recent.... 02:45:30 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.40.220.185] has quit [Quit: Logs, log everything don't forget. http://adiirc.com] 03:05:40 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Bye] 04:02:01 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:02:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@88.130.160.203] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:02:32 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 04:10:01 *** Dan9550 [~dan9550@49.248.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 04:18:40 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 04:24:51 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:26:12 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.53.45] has joined #openttd 04:36:46 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:52:59 *** MaximumTimbo [~tim@c-71-228-132-229.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 04:53:20 *** MaximumTimbo [~tim@c-71-228-132-229.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 04:53:21 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.160.203] has joined #openttd 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD40D8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:16 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD42F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 04:58:20 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:59:02 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 04:59:46 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:07:44 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 05:59:26 *** marsipanWhale [~marsipanW@8.net112138210.t-com.ne.jp] has joined #openttd 06:08:59 *** kais58___ [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 06:10:45 *** kais58__ [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 06:18:56 *** kais58___ is now known as kais58|AFK 06:23:23 <Rubidium> MaximumTimbo: which next game? OpenTTD itself does not host game servers, so you got to be a bit more specific 06:24:06 <planetmaker> moin moin 06:26:17 <Rubidium> peter1139: though 2048 is only 1/64th of the theoretical largest possible value to reach 06:27:06 <Rubidium> I'm not sure how the score is calculated, but for that you should be able to determine the maximum value too 06:27:18 *** maddy_ [~plaiho@v44.woima.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:32:15 <MaximumTimbo> I was talking about the coop server... 06:32:30 <planetmaker> join #openttdcoop 06:32:49 <MaximumTimbo> I thought I was.. I'm sorry 06:34:01 <V453000> just type /join #openttdcoop :) 06:34:22 <planetmaker> hard to tell when next begins... the map looks rather fresh 06:34:56 <supermop> i've never played on the coop server 06:37:18 <V453000> should perhaps try (: 06:52:19 *** MaximumTimbo [~tim@c-71-228-132-229.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:53:09 <dihedral> good morning 06:56:22 <V453000> hyhyhy 07:00:55 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 07:03:36 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 07:04:47 <peter1139> supermop, it's frustrating; you have to put up with their ugly design decisions ;p 07:13:01 *** DanMacK [~0a0a6574@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 07:14:58 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.customer.cloud.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:15:12 *** Cybertinus [~Cybertinu@cybertinus.customer.cloud.nl] has joined #openttd 07:16:14 *** DanMacK [~0a0a6574@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [] 07:17:36 <V453000> which is actually entirely untrue as the only restriction is to make things work 07:17:43 <V453000> which in fact is very free 07:18:23 *** LSky [LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 07:24:37 <supermop> there should be a regularly held cooperative passenger server 07:25:09 <supermop> with plaers assigned different lines or franchises 07:28:27 <V453000> we do that sometimes too 07:37:54 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@zeroshell2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has joined #openttd 07:39:39 *** Devroush [~dennis@76.169-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 07:43:19 *** Devroush2 [~dennis@76.169-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #openttd 07:49:39 *** Devroush [~dennis@76.169-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:55:19 *** Devroush2 [~dennis@76.169-66-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:04:08 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 08:08:00 <V453000> I hereby declare I am going to havethe most awesome factory yet seen 08:14:52 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 08:19:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6A666.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 08:21:13 <__ln___> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1939723822/fish-on-wheels 08:23:55 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.160.203] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:30:29 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:42:18 *** Haube [~michi@37-4-140-125-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 08:48:55 *** Japa_ [~Japa@223.179.147.55] has joined #openttd 08:49:00 *** Japa_ [~Japa@223.179.147.55] has quit [] 09:15:49 *** SylvieLorxu [~sylvie@dslb-178-001-039-075.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #openttd 09:17:18 <Flygon> __ln___ : The Futurama writers must be having a field day 09:20:55 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host-92-24-25-152.ppp.as43234.net] 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[~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f816-197.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:18:23 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 10:19:11 *** Pulec [pulec@unaffilated.amunak.net] has quit [Quit: Pulce sezrali] 10:27:13 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:49:48 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:49:53 <Wolf01> hi hi 10:51:28 *** Pulec [pulec@unaffilated.amunak.net] has joined #openttd 11:02:04 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 11:12:08 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f816-197.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 11:23:18 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-11053.vo.lu] has joined #openttd 11:26:17 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 11:26:33 <andythenorth> auto-replace appears to check that all refit orders are valid for the target vehicle :D 11:26:37 <andythenorth> \o/ 11:26:59 <V453000> yarr 11:28:32 <Phreeze> yay 11:31:39 *** 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ZZZzzzâŠ] 11:47:12 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 12:11:07 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:11:28 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-169-2-218.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #openttd 12:27:48 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:28:14 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 12:28:35 <Samu> i found a not*really*a*bug 12:29:41 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has left #openttd [] 12:30:28 <Samu> http://i.imgur.com/dp4Cdr1.png 12:30:34 <Samu> that green tile 12:32:56 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 12:33:26 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:34:44 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 12:35:25 <dihedral> SirkoZ? :-) 12:39:53 *** Kurimus [~stabbity@dsl-tkubrasgw2-54f816-197.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #openttd 12:53:54 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:55:07 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 12:59:30 <George> How to get the power of the consist on NML? 13:00:20 <George> here I can't http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Vehicles find any property for that 13:01:07 <George> (power of consist is the power of all engines that are powered on the current rail 13:02:18 <peter1139> same as with nfo 13:02:43 <George> var E4 ? 13:03:29 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 13:04:09 <George> And consist weight is var E8 ? 13:05:42 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host-92-24-25-152.ppp.as43234.net] has joined #openttd 13:09:07 <George> and in case SELF instead of PARENT they would store power/weight of the current vehicle? 13:09:46 <peter1139> Actually I have no idea about anything NML related :p 13:12:31 <V453000> parent checks for the first engine in consist 13:12:35 <V453000> self for itself 13:14:24 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:14:48 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 13:15:34 *** Pulec [pulec@unaffilated.amunak.net] has joined #openttd 13:18:42 *** Aristide [~quassel@81.253.6.57] has joined #openttd 13:18:47 <Samu> air_drag_coefficient - nice 13:19:39 <Samu> from that link 13:20:13 <V453000> rather useless 13:21:08 <Samu> learning a few things 13:21:24 <Samu> 9.81 m/s is the speed of gravity 13:21:42 <Samu> oops, acceleration 13:22:05 <Samu> a tile going up/down is +50/-50 13:22:17 <Samu> meters 13:22:44 <Samu> how to relate all this with that air drag coefficient? 13:24:14 <Phreeze> why do you all speak of NFO ? 13:24:21 <Phreeze> it's complicated an shit 13:24:31 <Phreeze> if you have a structured language like nml 13:24:54 <Samu> me? I just stumbled upon a link 13:25:17 <Phreeze> no george and peter and those 13:26:09 <George> I've asked about NML 13:26:19 <George> But there was no answer 13:26:22 <Phreeze> var E4 is not nml ;) 13:26:25 <Samu> there is no air_drag_coefficient for aircraft? omg imba 13:26:45 <Phreeze> aircrafts fly in vacuum 13:26:51 <George> Phreeze: you can access vars in NML 13:26:53 <peter1139> 9.81 m/s? You sure about that? 13:27:17 <George> like this var[0xE4, 0, 0xFFFFFFFF] 13:27:19 <Phreeze> that's the speed of sonic 13:27:30 <peter1139> Hedgehog? 13:27:36 <Phreeze> yes that one 13:27:46 <Samu> it's on the wiki article george linked 13:28:09 <Samu> Fraction of the vehicle weight that is available as tractive effort. Tractive effort (in kN) is calculated as (TE coefficient) * 10 * weight (in tons), with 10 being an approximation of the acceleration of gravity (9.81 m/s). Default value is 0.3. 13:28:22 <Samu> tractive_effort_coefficient 13:29:31 <__ln___> peter1139: 9.81 m/s = 2.7 ft/microfortnight 13:29:44 <__ln___> umm, or 27. whatever. 13:29:53 <Phreeze> jsut use 0.3 ^^ 13:30:13 <Phreeze> unless you build rails out of titan or so 13:32:18 <peter1139> furlongs 13:33:49 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 13:34:27 <Samu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_gravity 13:35:25 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 13:35:44 <__ln___> Samu: btw, over here the acceleration is 9.81 m/s^2, not m/s. 13:38:57 <Samu> how aircraft fly in the sky: https://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070816045729AA0w1XZ 13:39:39 <V453000> you people certainly have nothing to do 13:39:54 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:40:23 <Samu> realistic acceleration for aircraft ploz 13:40:39 <Samu> j/k 13:40:46 <Xaroth|Work> next you'll be asking for savegames in xml format.... 13:40:59 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 13:47:48 <SylvieLorxu> Tssk, XML 13:47:50 <SylvieLorxu> JSON! 13:54:46 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:41 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 14:08:40 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 14:14:00 <peter1139> __ln___, that was rather my point, too :-) 14:14:18 <peter1139> Xaroth|Work, I hear JSON is all the rage now. 14:14:21 <peter1139> SylvieLorxu, oh cock 14:14:36 <SylvieLorxu> peter1139: You could still recommend YAML 14:15:17 <SylvieLorxu> Or the OpenTTD save file format, now THAT is obscure 14:15:18 <SylvieLorxu> :P 14:16:23 <Xaroth|Work> SylvieLorxu: << you; the joke =====================>> 14:16:43 <Xaroth|Work> peter1139: do you have a patch for it perchance? 14:16:47 <SylvieLorxu> Xaroth|Work: That's the first time something does not fly over my head 14:17:17 <SylvieLorxu> And I should maybe have read the whole conversation 14:17:19 <SylvieLorxu> But meh, lazy 14:17:38 <Samu> hmm, question. I have a road vehicle going through some town with random bridges, but the vehicle is deciding to go through the wood bridge and not the faster one. 14:17:54 <Samu> the faster one, not only is faster, but it's also the shortest way 14:18:05 <Samu> is this the work of the path ai? 14:18:14 <Samu> very strange it would do this 14:18:34 <Xaroth|Work> it's rebelling 14:18:44 <Xaroth|Work> quick, kill it with fire before they want to start a union 14:19:05 <Samu> let me provide a save game 14:21:06 <Samu> http://1drv.ms/1pWzIy2 14:21:12 <Samu> it's the sav file 14:21:46 <Samu> look at rentfield and the blue trucks 14:21:54 <Samu> especially those going north 14:24:20 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:27:59 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:29:16 *** kais58|AFK is now known as kais58___ 14:30:18 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 14:32:43 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33:57 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 14:37:35 <Samu> got a funny suggestion for airport builds toolbar 14:37:53 <Samu> make it like trains, to separate the different airport types 14:38:43 <Samu> railway, electrified railway, monorail, maglev -> small airports, large airports, hub airports, helicopter pads 14:39:12 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:40:07 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 14:40:55 <Samu> the current airport tools are too clumped imo 14:45:20 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:45:28 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 14:53:54 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97BA885.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 15:16:50 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@46.246.119.109] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 15:18:07 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@irc.blinkenshell.org] has joined #openttd 15:18:31 <Phreeze> yep 15:21:25 <Phreeze> non_refittable_cargo_classes: bitmask(OLSD,SGCN); 15:21:29 <Phreeze> still dont get it how to define that 15:21:46 <Phreeze> this doesn't work as OLSD and SGCN are "new" cargoes, higher than 31 15:21:52 <Phreeze> a list doesnt work either... 15:24:02 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:24:31 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 15:27:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has joined #openttd 15:27:45 <andythenorth> I predict that before the game finally dies, someone will cave in and add a âload x% orderâ 15:28:09 <andythenorth> possibly by removing âfull loadâ and defaulting to âload 100%â with the option to adjust 15:28:25 * andythenorth wonders when the last game of openttd will be played 15:28:31 <andythenorth> it could be a frighteningly long time 15:28:35 <andythenorth> assuming no civilisational event 15:29:02 <Phreeze> ? 15:29:09 <Phreeze> [17:21:25] <Phreeze> non_refittable_cargo_classes: bitmask(OLSD,SGCN); 15:29:10 <Phreeze> [17:21:30] <Phreeze> still dont get it how to define that 15:29:10 <Phreeze> [17:21:47] <Phreeze> this doesn't work as OLSD and SGCN are "new" cargoes, higher than 31 15:29:10 <Phreeze> [17:21:53] <Phreeze> a list doesnt work either... 15:29:17 <Phreeze> whats the solution? 15:29:33 <andythenorth> why are you defining non-refittable cargo classes? 15:29:41 <andythenorth> and why are you giving it cargo labels? 15:29:47 <andythenorth> (1) donât use that property, itâs a mistake 15:29:56 <andythenorth> and the people who argue itâs not a mistake are mistaken 15:30:07 <andythenorth> (2) donât give labels to properties expecting classes 15:30:32 <Phreeze> i dont know why there are [17:21:25] <Phreeze> non_refittable_cargo_classes: bitmask(OLSD,SGCN); 15:30:32 <Phreeze> [17:21:30] <Phreeze> still dont get it how to define that 15:30:32 <Phreeze> [17:21:47] <Phreeze> this doesn't work as OLSD and SGCN are "new" cargoes, higher than 31 15:30:32 <Phreeze> [17:21:53] <Phreeze> a list doesnt work either... 15:30:36 <Phreeze> ups wrong copy paste 15:30:44 <Phreeze> cargo_allow_refit cargo_disallow_refit 15:30:49 <Phreeze> should i use those 2 instead ? 15:30:52 <Phreeze> why do the other exist ? 15:31:51 <Phreeze> can use a cargoclass with cargo_allow_refit ?? or do i always have to add a huge list ? 15:32:46 <andythenorth> you should specify refittable classes to suit your vehicle 15:32:49 <Phreeze> anyway... will mod this later, walking the dogs now 15:32:56 <andythenorth> donât use that to try and support specific cargos, it goes wrong 15:33:05 <andythenorth> never use non-refittable classes, it goes wrong 15:33:19 <andythenorth> then use allow / disallow refit for specific labels you know about + care about 15:39:10 * V453000 wonders whether creating a forum thread for YETI has any use 15:39:21 * V453000 knows the answer 15:39:59 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 15:46:05 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 15:46:59 *** luaduck [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: OH MY GOD ZNC IS SO FUCKING AWESOME] 15:52:07 <andythenorth> definitely 15:52:13 <andythenorth> you will gather a lot of Valued Opinions 15:55:49 *** Aristide [~quassel@81.253.6.57] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:56:03 <Samu> kelling 3100 vs CS 4000, there is a huge performance discrepancy when doing realistic vs original acceleration 15:56:07 <Samu> interesting find 15:56:20 <Samu> i should make a video 15:56:44 *** Aristide [~quassel@81.253.6.57] has joined #openttd 15:57:39 <Samu> putting them side by side for comparison 15:58:11 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has joined #openttd 16:00:03 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:00:58 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.53.45] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:01:21 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 16:01:52 *** TheMask96 [martijn@pride.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:02:33 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@zeroshell2.strw.leidenuniv.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03:43 <Samu> with default realistic settings, 3% steep, 1x weight, the kelling 3100 is slightly faster than CS 4000, almost a tie 16:04:02 <Samu> in the original, kelling 3100 is much worse 16:04:02 <Phreeze> hm andythenorth , other guys here say that a CC_class is cool to support feature cargoes 16:04:30 <andythenorth> yes 16:04:55 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:05:29 <Phreeze> obviously, you are against :D 16:05:40 *** Tirili [~chatzilla@kel30.kel.studentenwerk-goettingen.de] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [SeaMonkey 2.25/20140320143201]] 16:05:41 <Phreeze> the refits are BAD features 16:05:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19B6B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:06:23 <Samu> me? 16:06:32 <Phreeze> no andy :D 16:06:34 <Phreeze> read the whole chat 16:06:46 <Phreeze> was me talking, then andy, then i replied..to WHOOOOM ? :D 16:06:54 <Samu> I like refits 16:07:04 <Samu> some are a bit strange 16:07:09 <andythenorth> this is going oddly 16:07:21 <Samu> lifestock on passanger DMUs :( 16:07:24 <Phreeze> hehe, just kidding 16:07:37 <andythenorth> phreeze the interaction between classes and labels is not easy to get right, many have done it wrong 16:07:40 <Phreeze> yeah...DMUs etc should only carry mail at most 16:07:45 <andythenorth> I explained above what you should do though 16:07:57 <Phreeze> i'll just go like they go in ogfx trains 16:08:00 <Samu> i wanted no refits at all for the original trains 16:08:14 <Phreeze> but WHY is there a "disallow" and an "allow" ? 16:08:18 <Samu> they carry what they carry, no refits 16:08:24 <Phreeze> for me, a disallow is an inverted allow 16:08:46 *** Aristide [~quassel@81.253.6.57] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:46 <Samu> if it carries passengers, then it's passengers the only cargo 16:08:47 <Phreeze> if a cargo is not allowed, obviously it is disallowed 16:09:13 <andythenorth> classes first, then labels 16:10:51 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3917.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 16:10:58 <juzza1> Phreeze: it's not that simple becase there are cargos and cargo classes. Read http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/NML:Vehicles#Refittability 16:10:59 *** luaduck [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:11:02 <Phreeze> are labels over classes ? 16:11:39 <juzza1> yes 16:12:16 <andythenorth> first set the general classes for your vehicle 16:12:37 <andythenorth> donât set the disallowed classes 16:12:59 <andythenorth> then allow / disallow specific cargos, which over-rides any class-based refits you disagree with 16:13:08 <planetmaker> g'evening 16:13:20 <juzza1> andythenorth: what's the logic behind not setting disallowed classes? 16:13:42 <Phreeze> thats what i did now andythenorth, perfect 16:13:51 <Phreeze> juzza1 : whats the logic OF setting ? 16:13:52 <planetmaker> juzza1, it only makes sense for some classes 16:13:57 <Phreeze> it's boolean anyway 16:14:07 <Phreeze> either you can refit to coal, or not 16:14:08 <planetmaker> like bulk but not hazardous 16:14:14 <Phreeze> there's no maybe. maybe is for girls only 16:14:41 <planetmaker> juzza1, but generally disallowed classes bring easily more pain than gain 16:15:00 <planetmaker> cargoes can have several, possibly conflicting classes. Thus you would exclude that cargo unnecessarily 16:15:08 <andythenorth> +1 16:15:18 <andythenorth> classes are for supporting the unknown future 16:15:19 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15:28 <planetmaker> thus keep the support level broad ^ 16:15:41 <planetmaker> existing cargoes better are supported by their labels 16:15:41 <andythenorth> it is possible to prove algorithmically that your set will always support all cargos in at least one vehicle 16:15:50 <andythenorth> but eh, why bother doing that, just donât exclude any classes 16:16:07 <Samu> looks like i can't change the weight of trains after buying them, is it a bug? 16:16:13 <Phreeze> problem is you DO NOT exclude: you have to draw a sprite 16:16:13 <andythenorth> ?? 16:16:17 <Samu> the option is enabled, but it isn't taking effect on the trains 16:16:21 <Phreeze> or use a lame "covered bulk wagon" sprite... 16:16:33 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 16:16:41 <andythenorth> Phreeze: or you have to invent a time machine 16:16:53 <planetmaker> Phreeze, you *cannot* draw unknown cargoes. And you *always* need a default sprite, if you go via cargo classes 16:17:08 * andythenorth draws unknown cargos all the time 16:17:14 <andythenorth> all you need is a lack of talent 16:17:15 <planetmaker> you need a default cargo sprite anyway 16:17:23 <planetmaker> haha, andythenorth :) 16:17:30 <Phreeze> Chuck Norris can draw unknown cargo sprites 16:17:45 <planetmaker> and if you use GPL you can easily 'steal' the cargo sprites from nuts 16:17:47 <Phreeze> sg_fcs_coal; 16:17:49 <andythenorth> Chuck Norris wouldnât bother 16:18:00 <Phreeze> default is coal ^^ so if it doesnt look black, its ...err...buggy 16:18:32 <planetmaker> happens 16:18:49 <planetmaker> thus support all *known* cargoes with proper sprites. And do not bother about what you cannot know 16:18:50 * Phreeze 's going to draw covered hopper... 16:19:33 *** ST2 [~ST2@bl20-253-12.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:44 <Samu> my question: simulated train weight on settings isn't taking effect on the current game, is it supposed to be that way? a bug? I'm doing it wrong? 16:20:05 <Samu> it still says x3 on train information, but it's not simulating it 16:20:09 <juzza1> Ok, I understand why you recommend not setting the disallowed classes. For some reason, I assumed everyone will check http://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/Action0Cargos#CargoClasses_.2816.29 before doing any of them :P 16:20:18 *** ST2 [~ST2@2.81.253.12] has joined #openttd 16:20:27 <planetmaker> juzza1, who reads specs? :D 16:20:37 <juzza1> :) 16:20:45 *** luaduck [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: OH MY GOD ZNC IS SO FUCKING AWESOME] 16:21:38 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f7450f5.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 16:22:53 <Samu> ah, i get it 16:23:04 <Samu> wagon and engine weigth isn't simulated, only the cargo weigth 16:23:11 <Samu> that's strange 16:23:18 <Samu> not what I expected 16:23:22 <andythenorth> no, itâs the freight weight multiplier 16:23:28 <andythenorth> it multiplies weight of freight 16:24:43 <Samu> what's a freight weight? isn't it the entire train? 16:26:09 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [Verlassend] 16:26:13 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 16:26:17 *** mode/#openttd [+o planetmaker] by ChanServ 16:26:43 <Samu> kinda disappointed 16:28:06 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 16:29:38 <Samu> this means, on an empty train, going on a straight line with no hills, neither weight multiplier nor steepness make any difference :( 16:34:20 <andythenorth> do they need to? 16:34:24 <andythenorth> is it really a useful goal? 16:34:51 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35:26 <Samu> i expected some difference, then i started to watch two openttds side by side with different weights were behaving the same 16:36:15 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 16:37:45 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6A666.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:39:53 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 16:39:56 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 16:43:08 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:43:28 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 16:43:39 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:43:46 *** andythenorth [~Andy@194.168.185.226] has left #openttd [] 16:52:00 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 16:55:13 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@D97BA885.cm-3-4c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:01:24 <Alberth> what happened? such few posts at the forum 17:06:53 <Samu> timetable in ticks 17:09:02 <Samu> ticks are a much better measure unit to compare realistic vs original 17:10:32 <NGC982> Evening. 17:10:34 <Alberth> always fun when people think OpenTTD is related to reality :p 17:10:45 <Alberth> hi hi NGC982 17:11:18 <Samu> time for me to create some statistics spreadsheet on excel 17:12:10 <NGC982> Alberth: Is that not partly the goal of playing it? 17:12:10 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:12:27 <NGC982> I mean, there must be a reason for it not to contain Tron bikes by default. 17:12:29 <NGC982> :---) 17:13:10 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 17:13:11 <Alberth> lousy artists probably :p I am still waiting for the black/white version of OpenTTD, just like Simutrans 17:13:25 * NGC982 still wants that Tron theme. 17:13:47 <V453000> Alberth: you will shit bricks when you see YETI :P 17:13:50 <V453000> not very R-thing 17:14:35 <NGC982> What's YETI? 17:14:56 <Alberth> \o/ V :) 17:15:39 <V453000> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/yeti 17:15:43 <V453000> http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/yeti/files for imagez 17:15:44 <NGC982> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6YMrQllPJHA/Tj8tSW0uu2I/AAAAAAAABCs/hBkZi22UO1I/s1600/Yeti+sketch.jpg 17:15:52 <NGC982> :O 17:16:25 <NGC982> That looks very interesting. 17:17:21 <V453000> tanks 17:17:57 <Alberth> NGC982: this style of tiles http://archive.forum.simutrans.com/topic/01102.0/01323/Batch_00.png 17:19:06 <Alberth> V453000: I laughed my socks off with that guy that was shocked to find your NUTS being unrealistic, even after you gave him the meaning of the word :) 17:19:09 <NGC982> Very nice. 17:19:15 <NGC982> I love the scetches 17:19:50 <Alberth> they have a pak with that so you can play simutrans in that style :) 17:19:57 <V453000> well yeah :) 17:20:05 <V453000> idiots will stay idiots 17:20:13 <V453000> "omg it isnt realistic" 17:20:25 <V453000> is exactly the kind of Valued Opinions 17:20:29 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 17:20:43 <Alberth> :D 17:20:44 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:21:43 <V453000> I am considering to make a Make the Most BAD POST Thread 17:21:49 <V453000> [YETI] 17:22:16 <V453000> OR I might as well take a shit on the forum with yeti entirely 17:22:18 <V453000> yeah 17:22:22 <Alberth> good off-topic topic :p 17:22:24 <V453000> not like NUTS found any use on the forums 17:22:35 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:23:18 <theholyduck> i dont like forums 17:23:54 <Alberth> farm looks too normal, perhaps have the people live outside, and the animals inside? 17:24:37 <V453000> no but dont you worry, I have some extreme wtf for the farm 17:24:42 <V453000> this is just the inactive state 17:24:54 <V453000> wait for active - producing - state 17:24:59 <V453000> with animals -and stuff- 17:25:13 <V453000> going to be majorly awesome 17:25:15 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 17:25:47 *** SylvieLorxu [~sylvie@dslb-178-001-039-075.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:26:13 <Alberth> your yeti scheme has a touch of monty python or inspector gadget :) 17:26:51 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:27:26 <Alberth> :o you're going to have stuff and things too? 17:32:17 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:32:27 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 17:40:20 <Samu> are ticks in timetable rounded to a day-tick? 17:42:39 *** JoeBrown [~kami@cpc5-smal11-2-0-cust727.perr.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:45:37 <Samu> it's multiples of 74! :( 17:45:42 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26553 /trunk/src/lang (5 files) (2014-05-02 17:45:31 UTC) 17:45:43 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:44 <DorpsGek> croatian - 5 changes by VoyagerOne 17:45:45 <DorpsGek> dutch - 50 changes by habell 17:45:46 <DorpsGek> norwegian_bokmal - 16 changes by cuthbert 17:45:47 <DorpsGek> russian - 2 changes by Lone_Wolf 17:45:48 <DorpsGek> slovak - 18 changes by Milsa 17:47:44 <V453000> Alberth: stuff and things? :D 17:48:47 <JoeBrown> Hello, I am trying to change grass tiles to desert in a tropical map 17:48:53 <JoeBrown> How do I do it? 17:49:59 <Brumi> there's a button for that on the landscaping toolbar 17:50:55 <JoeBrown> I cannot find that toolbar. Google seems to refer to it often, but I only have Land Generation tool bar in landscaping 17:51:14 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:51:31 <Brumi> yes it's called land generation toolbar 17:51:39 <Brumi> right to the zooming buttons 17:52:07 <Brumi> and within the land generation toolbar the second button from the right is the desert conversion tool 17:52:52 <JoeBrown> ah, ffs, why is it lighthouse icon T_T 17:53:07 <Brumi> huh 17:53:17 <Brumi> maybe you're using some newGRFs? 17:53:31 <JoeBrown> found it thankyou, it seems to be a weird icon 17:53:46 <JoeBrown> Not sure, I think I have everything turned off, but I found the button :) 17:53:58 <Brumi> hmm for me it's not a lighthouse 17:54:01 <Brumi> that's weird 17:55:33 <juzza1> JoeBrown: do you have opengfx biggui activated? 17:55:59 <juzza1> It doesnt seem to have that icon, so it uses the lighthouse one 17:56:56 <JoeBrown> There are no mods active under NewGRF Settings menu, but that name does ring a bell 17:57:50 <juzza1> you might have it in [newgrf-static] section of openttd.cfg 17:59:03 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:09 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 18:02:27 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:04:44 <Alberth> o/ 18:05:07 <andythenorth> o/ 18:05:10 <Xaroth|Work> o/ 18:05:16 <andythenorth> suggestions forum lacks things to rant about :P 18:05:18 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19B6B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:10:29 *** Dan9550 [~dan9550@49.248.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12:56 <Samu> i had a nice suggestion today, it got lost somewhere in the chat 18:14:14 <Samu> ah, found it 18:14:35 <Samu> got a funny suggestion for airport builds toolbar 18:14:51 <Samu> make it like trains, to separate the different airport types 18:14:59 <Samu> railway, electrified railway, monorail, maglev -> small airports, large airports, hub airports, helicopter pads 18:15:00 <Samu> this was it 18:15:23 <andythenorth> probably wonât get done 18:15:29 <andythenorth> blocks New Airports 18:15:30 * Alberth ponders about towels and needful things as cargoes for towns 18:15:34 <andythenorth> which wonât get done either 18:15:41 <andythenorth> Alberth: towels and babelfish? 18:16:00 <andythenorth> and paranoid androids? 18:18:12 <Alberth> andy, not sure, the new airports in the form of building on tiles could be feasible too 18:18:45 <Alberth> needful things are a very different category :p http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Needful_Things 18:18:45 <andythenorth> they wouldnât be grouped by those groupings though? 18:19:00 <andythenorth> oic. I was thinking hitchhikers 18:19:13 <andythenorth> http://www.towel.org.uk 18:19:21 <Alberth> towels are hitchhiker indeed 18:19:30 <andythenorth> also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Towel_Day 18:20:46 <andythenorth> frosch123: your bloody GS is going to beat me :( 18:21:32 <frosch123> do you have an usb beating stick? 18:21:39 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:44 <frosch123> we could add support for such devices 18:22:09 <Alberth> wow, towel day :) 18:22:46 <Alberth> grouping of airports would become somewhat meaningless, probably 18:22:57 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 18:23:21 <Alberth> although for hysteric raisins, we'll keep the currently existing airports too, I guess 18:23:36 <frosch123> or convert them on saveload :) 18:23:47 <JoeBrown> What are the requirements for a small town to turn to a city? Does it work with gloabl population or will it always grow to a city? 18:23:53 <Alberth> frosch123: yep :) 18:23:54 <frosch123> i kind of doubt anyone would want to use them 18:24:18 <frosch123> well, only considering reasonable opinions ofc.. 18:24:34 <Alberth> of course 18:26:04 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@dhcp-089-098-029-118.chello.nl] has quit [Quit: reboot] 18:27:19 <andythenorth> new airports is such a myth :) 18:29:49 *** JGR [~JGR@host81-156-241-10.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 18:33:50 *** JGR_ [~JGR@host86-149-130-144.range86-149.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:34:35 <andythenorth> trucks! https://dev.openttdcoop.org/attachments/download/6064/trucks.png 18:34:48 <andythenorth> maybe I should use the capacity parameter :P 18:36:03 <NGC982> Um, i cannot seem to find any japanese industry station set in the online content. 18:36:06 <NGC982> Is that so? 18:36:08 <NGC982> Or is that not so. 18:36:51 <frosch123> "Japanese Stations 3.0" 27062 downloads, grfid 45530500 18:37:56 *** TrueBrain [~truebrain@dhcp-089-098-029-118.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 18:39:30 <Alberth> traffic jam! 18:40:45 <V453000> ;;nice andy 18:43:16 <Samu> i should have known beforehand that 1 day is really multiples of 74 ticks in timetable... :( 18:43:38 <Samu> i switched to ticks for better refinement... and then... :( 18:44:34 <frosch123> autofill uses multiples of 74, you an adjust to any number 18:44:42 <NGC982> frosch123: That does not contain any industrial platforms. 18:45:16 <Samu> I was counting on autofill for precise measurement 18:45:48 <Samu> guess I'll convert my results to days now 19:07:09 *** DanMacK [~androirc@node-5596.tor.pppoe.execulink.com] has joined #openttd 19:08:37 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:08:38 *** ST2 [~ST2@2.81.253.12] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:08:39 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 19:09:06 *** ST2 [~ST2@bl20-253-12.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 19:16:04 <Samu> preliminary graph 19:16:06 <Samu> Realistic vs Original 19:16:08 <Samu> http://i.imgur.com/UTbGRu3.png 19:16:14 <NGC982> I just noticed 19:16:46 <Samu> the bar is filled up with the total number of days it took traveling 19:16:55 <NGC982> When running more than one instance of openttd.exe in Windows 8, it divides each of them into a single CPU core. 19:16:58 <NGC982> That is nice. 19:17:00 <Samu> using each acceleration modes 19:17:06 <NGC982> Is that OpenTTD och Windows related? 19:19:05 <Samu> a larger area for a color fraction in the bar means that it took longer time traveling than a shorter bar 19:20:40 <andythenorth> frosch123: beat it :D 19:20:50 <andythenorth> took 86 years and 3 months out of 100 19:22:43 <Samu> my research concludes that realistic with a weigth x3 is the equivalent to original for early game engines, while at the very late game engines, the situation reverses, original becomes faster than realistic even with a x1 weigth 19:23:02 <Samu> this graph example is only for travelling in a straight line with no hills whatsoever 19:24:50 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:25:09 <frosch123> the biggest difference is in the handling of hills and valleys 19:25:50 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 19:35:35 *** Aristide [~quassel@81.253.2.94] has joined #openttd 19:38:53 <Samu> a different graph. This one is per train model: http://i.imgur.com/NBg3j2F.png 19:39:27 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-11053.vo.lu] has quit [] 19:39:30 <Samu> oops, train size is number of wagons, a damn typo 19:40:15 <Samu> fixed: http://i.imgur.com/JqX8FQu.png 19:41:40 <Samu> transporting oil 19:42:01 <Samu> so, no Millenium example 19:43:28 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:51:06 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 19:52:17 <Samu> I'm gonna pick a real-game savegame example to test turns and cliffs 19:56:46 <frosch123> i like the term "real-game" :) 19:57:42 <JoeBrown> Is it possible to change a square in middle of map to water? 19:58:39 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:01:10 <frosch123> it wouldn't surprise me if it's not 20:02:04 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:04:25 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:04:28 <frosch123> JoeBrown: actually, you can 20:04:36 <frosch123> ctrl+canal 20:04:58 <JoeBrown> Its not expanding though ? 20:05:04 <JoeBrown> Ah wait it is, thanks 20:05:32 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 20:12:23 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.40.220.185] has joined #openttd 20:12:34 <DanMacK> damn I didnt know that lol 20:15:09 <andythenorth> wat? 20:15:37 <andythenorth> ctrl+canal? 20:16:09 <DanMacK> yeah 20:17:01 <frosch123> we are talking about scenedit, not in-game :) 20:17:12 <DanMacK> yeah 20:18:58 <andythenorth> ho ho 20:19:04 * andythenorth would quite like water 20:19:07 <andythenorth> useful in MP :P 20:22:11 <DanMacK> lol 20:26:05 *** Aristide [~quassel@81.253.2.94] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:27:03 *** mode/#openttd [-b *!~superuser@2a02:e00:fffe:fbee::b5a2:2197] by DorpsGek 20:27:03 *** DanMacK [~androirc@node-5596.tor.pppoe.execulink.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:27:04 *** DanMacK [~androirc@node-5596.tor.pppoe.execulink.com] has joined #openttd 20:29:08 *** AndroUser2 [~androirc@24.114.53.136] has joined #openttd 20:30:25 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:35:04 *** AndroUser2 [~androirc@24.114.53.136] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:35:16 *** AndroUser2 [~androirc@24.114.53.136] has joined #openttd 20:36:39 *** DanMacK [~androirc@node-5596.tor.pppoe.execulink.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:40:06 *** DanMacK [~androirc@node-5596.tor.pppoe.execulink.com] has joined #openttd 20:41:00 *** modicum [~marsipanW@106.188.59.197] has joined #openttd 20:45:39 *** AndroUser2 [~androirc@24.114.53.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:45:43 *** marsipanWhale [~marsipanW@8.net112138210.t-com.ne.jp] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:51:25 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 20:59:27 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19B6B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 21:06:41 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host-92-24-25-152.ppp.as43234.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 21:11:39 <frosch123> night 21:11:41 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-5f7450f5.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:12:22 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 21:13:28 *** AndroUser2 [~androirc@24.114.64.225] has joined #openttd 21:19:29 *** AndroUser2 [~androirc@24.114.64.225] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:19:53 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 21:19:56 *** AndroUser2 [~androirc@24.114.64.225] has joined #openttd 21:20:00 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3917.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 21:20:21 <Samu> 3% steepness with x3 weigth results in 24 days travel, but 10% steepness with the same x3 weigth results in 23 days, is something wrong with this results? 21:20:25 *** DanMacK [~androirc@node-5596.tor.pppoe.execulink.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:20:57 *** AndroUser2 [~androirc@24.114.64.225] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:21:26 <Samu> is maglev different? 21:23:22 *** AndroUser2 [~androirc@66-203-185-219.ded.execulink.com] has joined #openttd 21:23:24 *** AndroUser2 [~androirc@66-203-185-219.ded.execulink.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:26:07 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 21:36:59 <andythenorth> bye 21:37:00 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has left #openttd [] 21:51:30 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19B6B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:55:53 <Samu> can you create the button that maintains a window open when I press Delete key for Advanced Settings? 22:03:27 *** luaduck_zzz [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:03:35 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 22:10:31 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:c105:762b:7ab0:9578] has joined #openttd 22:26:14 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:30:18 <Eddi|zuHause> why would you want that? 22:30:37 <Eddi|zuHause> settings shouldn't be anything you constantly change 22:33:52 <Samu> testing different steepness right now all the time, it would be usfeul at times 22:34:39 <Eddi|zuHause> <Samu> http://i.imgur.com/dp4Cdr1.png <-- that's your NewGRF set being too old 22:35:27 <Samu> what version should I have? I thought it was the latest 22:35:54 <Samu> OpenGFX 0.5.0 here 22:36:24 <Eddi|zuHause> that is not a newgrf 22:37:28 <Samu> there's no newgrf active at all 22:38:17 <Samu> there is an AI script running, that's just it 22:39:11 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 22:40:26 <Eddi|zuHause> then tell the opengfx people, but likely there is no ground type difference for a baseset 22:41:08 <Eddi|zuHause> by "tell XYZ" i mean "post to their forum thread", of course. or their bug tracker 22:41:19 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 22:45:13 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:53:49 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-28-120.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #openttd 23:00:04 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:14:00 <Samu> woah, steepness can be bad ass 23:16:01 *** lugo [lugo@192.249.56.28] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:16:19 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:33:31 *** lugo [lugo@apple.bnc4free.com] has joined #openttd 23:34:24 *** heffer [felix@hyperion.fk.cx] has joined #openttd 23:35:50 *** AndroUser2 [~androirc@66-203-185-219.ded.execulink.com] has joined #openttd 23:36:20 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:48:59 *** AndroUser2 [~androirc@66-203-185-219.ded.execulink.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:52:07 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:52:21 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:56:24 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i528C3917.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT]