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00:04:23 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@400l-62001.sli.unimelb.edu.au] has quit [] 00:05:12 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:05:31 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 00:05:31 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:12:30 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@400l-62001.sli.unimelb.edu.au] has joined #openttd 00:26:29 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:28:02 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 00:28:34 <Supercheese> Oh good lord in heaven, why do some software designers decide to change everything they possibly can when releasing a new version? 00:28:56 <Supercheese> "Let's take the existing user interface and move every single item around, just because we can" 00:31:28 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:42:46 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 00:53:41 *** LuHa [~LuHa@119.204.76.132] has joined #openttd 01:00:03 *** LuHa [~LuHa@119.204.76.132] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:04:15 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:04:22 *** kais58__2 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 01:06:02 *** kais58__1 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:16:29 *** kais58__2 is now known as kais58|AFK 01:27:05 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 01:27:05 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:31:00 *** xT2 [~ST2@bl20-225-46.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #openttd 01:35:20 *** ST2 [~ST2@bl20-253-12.dsl.telepac.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:35:20 *** xT2 is now known as ST2 01:54:25 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:58:27 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-92-43.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzâŠ] 02:20:45 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:21:20 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 03:11:54 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 03:46:48 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56:01 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p57BD4663.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [] 04:56:15 *** Eddi|zuHause [~johekr@p5DC6666F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 05:10:12 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:10:34 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 05:24:56 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 05:36:45 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:37:17 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 05:37:45 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 05:40:59 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 05:40:59 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:41:17 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 05:42:26 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 06:13:08 *** lskynl [lskynl@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 06:13:22 <V453000> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20419525/3-X_1.wmv =D 06:13:26 *** lskynl is now known as LSky 06:14:33 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:15:39 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 06:21:34 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:21:55 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 06:22:16 *** DanMacK [~0a0a6574@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 06:22:20 <DanMacK> Hey all 06:26:58 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 06:26:59 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:38:53 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-179-32-158.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 06:39:15 <andythenorth> ho ho 06:39:29 <V453000> hoho 06:40:18 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 06:40:49 <andythenorth> the funny thing about Andrex is the sense of desperation against 06:40:51 <andythenorth> time 06:41:01 <andythenorth> âurgentâ âimmediatelyâ etc 06:41:42 <andythenorth> also that he seems to think none of the devs are prepared to admit that most of the game is basically crap :) 06:42:43 <V453000> ? 06:43:17 * andythenorth has been in the forums 06:45:48 <V453000> never a good idea 06:50:16 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:50:38 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 07:05:07 *** johnrambo [~jrambo@77-46-208-101.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has joined #openttd 07:05:58 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6B442.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 07:10:33 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:11:19 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 07:12:23 *** jrambo [~jrambo@77-46-208-101.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:12:25 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:20:14 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 07:21:11 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:22:02 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 07:24:01 *** zeknurn [~sup@hd9483b0c.seveveb.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #openttd 07:24:50 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Quit: Valete omnes] 07:27:03 <planetmaker> ho ho 07:27:18 <Flygon_> Ho-oh 07:27:21 *** Flygon_ is now known as Flygon 07:27:42 <planetmaker> andythenorth, I wouldn't say 'most of the game is mostly crap'. But we definitely can agree on "there's always much room for improvement - on most if not all aspects" :) 07:28:13 <planetmaker> I mean, we're here. We're here because we must have thought at least at one point in time that the game is great :) 07:29:45 <andythenorth> yes, but now weâre wiser :) 07:29:55 <planetmaker> yeah :) 07:30:13 <planetmaker> but we know that there's a path back to ye ol' days - if we work for it :P 07:30:35 <planetmaker> (though to be honest, we just don't admit, that the path is infinitely long and we only enjoy playing the meta game) 07:31:03 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has joined #openttd 07:32:59 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 07:33:02 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 07:34:27 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@400l-62001.sli.unimelb.edu.au] has quit [] 07:36:28 *** Dan9550 [~dan9550@66.238-27-211.dynamic.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has joined #openttd 07:55:00 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 07:57:56 <Alberth> o/ 07:59:43 <andythenorth> o/ 08:05:39 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-179-32-158.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 08:06:01 *** supermop [~daniel_er@d110-33-173-77.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 08:27:33 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-92-43.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 08:29:57 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-179-32-158.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 08:34:38 <supermop> still playing on this polish server 08:35:41 <supermop> how do i do separation in trunk? 08:35:46 <supermop> ctrl click something? 08:40:10 <andythenorth> timetables? 08:40:21 <planetmaker> checkout the time table and read the tooltips. It tells you what to click how 08:40:32 <planetmaker> (and no, I don't recall, so that's the only advise I can give) 08:40:40 <andythenorth> I tried to make separation work 08:40:42 <andythenorth> completely failed 08:40:47 <andythenorth> despite precise instructions 08:40:56 <andythenorth> probably Eandythenorth 08:41:19 <andythenorth> I wanted it for ships 08:42:05 <andythenorth> I still donât really understand timetables :) 08:42:20 <andythenorth> are they intended for the model train people, rather than gameplay? o_O 08:42:55 <planetmaker> it's difficult to get going 08:43:11 <planetmaker> And I believe that's definitely one of the points with 'more room for improvement' 08:43:18 <andythenorth> seems to be for those people who âwant to create a realistic map of the UK rail network" 08:43:26 <planetmaker> I also always have difficulty to setup a time table and separate vehicles there 08:43:43 <andythenorth> I just want to have 5 ships in a shared order group and have them auto-separate, using station departures 08:45:14 <andythenorth> instead of wait, rather âleave station 20 days after previous vehicle in order group' 08:45:49 <planetmaker> yeah, sounds like one of the typical use cases I employ as well 08:47:14 <andythenorth> I want a cadence of deliveries 08:47:20 <andythenorth> I really donât care about simulating reality 08:47:35 <andythenorth> in fact, I am anti-caring about simulating reality, it makes my head hurt 08:48:01 <V453000> nice 08:49:07 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 08:49:09 <andythenorth> I have enough reality already 08:49:14 * andythenorth considers ebaying some surplus reality 08:49:21 <planetmaker> rabÀÀÀÀ! 08:49:52 <Alberth> pick a ship, open time table, press autofill, wait for the table to fill, and add some extra time for ctachup. When done, pick the first ship that arrives at the first order, and ctrl-click "start date", a window opens with the date of "now". press "set date". Wait for everything to settle 08:49:52 <andythenorth> lost in translation :) 08:50:11 <andythenorth> Alberth: yeah, itâs really intuitive. I donât know how I failed at it. 08:50:16 <V453000> pick a ship, open time table, pres autofill, let ship get lost, buy trains 08:50:41 <Alberth> andythenorth: it's trivial! :p 08:52:07 <Alberth> oh, and of course you have to do it all again when you add or remove a ship 08:52:20 <Alberth> have to keep you busy :p 08:52:46 <V453000> : 08:52:47 <V453000> D 08:52:56 <andythenorth> oh, so adding ships breaks it? 08:53:03 <Alberth> afaik it does 08:53:04 <andythenorth> assuming it works at all 08:53:12 <andythenorth> and upgrading models breaks it? 08:53:20 *** dyrim [sid28134@id-28134.charlton.irccloud.com] has joined #openttd 08:53:43 <Alberth> not sure, with faster models, you'll have more time at the stations I guess 08:53:44 <andythenorth> you know how in parachuting, you just count 10s from previous jumper, then jump? 08:53:47 <andythenorth> that 08:54:31 <Alberth> just buy 20 extra ships instead :p 08:55:16 <V453000> or ignore timetabling as a whole, win win 08:56:20 <Alberth> another valid strategy :) 08:57:07 <planetmaker> hm, I guess I didn't know either that adding vehicles breaks it :) 09:03:28 <andythenorth> with cdist and station-refit, I am using full load a lot less 09:03:33 <andythenorth> and trying to make timetables work more 09:03:57 <andythenorth> ships seem to inevitably cluster, usually to the point where they overlap entirely 09:04:27 <andythenorth> which is ugly 09:04:50 <andythenorth> and screws up the network, because thousands of tonnes of cargo arrive at once, then nothing for months (bad for station ratings) 09:05:58 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.53.45] has joined #openttd 09:06:59 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 09:08:25 <Eddi|zuHause> timetabling solved the clustering for me pretty well 09:11:33 <andythenorth> dunno why it didnât work for me 09:11:37 <andythenorth> I tried a couple of times 09:11:40 <andythenorth> got bored waiting 09:11:52 <andythenorth> auto-fill on a 500 tile ship route is like watching paint dry 09:11:55 <andythenorth> and ffwd doesnât work any more 09:12:14 <planetmaker> lol 09:12:31 <andythenorth> still, itâs definitely nice that we build things with fun in mind eh? 09:12:33 <planetmaker> heavy maps are heavy? 09:12:44 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, waiting is a problem 09:12:45 <andythenorth> nah, ffwd is just borked with mavericks 09:12:52 <andythenorth> planetmaker: got mavericks? 09:12:55 <Eddi|zuHause> i always wanted an "estimate" button 09:13:01 <planetmaker> no, sorry, I don't 09:13:18 <andythenorth> nvm. Anyway ottd is pretty borked on mehvericks 09:13:38 <Eddi|zuHause> and/or automatically recording and just taking the previous roundtrip as timetable if i chose to use one 09:25:07 <Eddi|zuHause> anybody used telepathy for ICQ? i don't see a function to fetch my contact list 09:30:44 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 09:30:46 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:32:25 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-179-32-158.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 09:45:40 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:46:24 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 09:59:10 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-179-32-158.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:00:30 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:13:24 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-179-32-158.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:13:53 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 10:14:15 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:18:10 <Samu> when using .png files for heightmaps, i have to prepare the pngs, rotating +45 or -45 degrees, but I think it still deforms the generated map 10:18:25 <supermop> Eddi|zuHause: if ottd had tiles/tick or something as an option for speed units you could roughly estimate it yourself 10:18:54 <Samu> how do I maintain the 1 to 1 aspect? 10:19:24 <Samu> it looks shrinked somehow 10:19:38 <Samu> or am I seeing things where they don't exist? 10:21:21 <Samu> how many pixels do the minimap in-game affect height and width of a generated heightmap? 10:21:35 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-179-32-158.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 10:21:38 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: well, 4096kmh-ish means 1 tile per tick 10:21:58 <Eddi|zuHause> supermop: but you don't have an easy measure for distance either 10:22:09 <V453000> Samu: ust make an image of size 512x512 and make a 512x512 map from that? 10:22:12 <V453000> just* 10:22:13 <Eddi|zuHause> only for straight lines 10:23:10 <Samu> i need to create a mosaic .png, not just 512x512 10:23:11 <Eddi|zuHause> Samu: minimap tiles are 1x4 pixels 10:23:41 <V453000> the fuck is mosaic png 10:23:59 <Samu> the shape of the original picture 10:24:05 <Samu> just just a square 10:24:21 <V453000> why dont you rather getseed of the map and generate the same one again? 10:25:27 <Samu> im using a girl to generate, and she becomes a bit shrinked in height or fat in width, guess it's what zuHause said, 1x4 10:26:44 <planetmaker> V453000, getseed only will give the same map with the same version of openttd, the same settings and the same newgrfs 10:26:59 <planetmaker> if you change any, the same result cannot be guaranteed 10:29:59 <V453000> well yeah but it isnt generally that hard to get it about right 10:31:50 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-179-32-158.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 10:40:30 <Eddi|zuHause> Samu: what exactly are you trying to achieve? 10:40:57 <Samu> a girl heightmap with the right proportions 10:41:06 <Samu> nerdy stuff 10:41:46 <Samu> only needs to look good on the minimap 10:44:14 <Samu> it looks to be 3x4 10:44:15 <Samu> not 1x4 10:45:41 <Samu> vertical size must be increased from 100% to 133.33% I think 10:45:48 <Samu> then rotate -45 degrees 10:46:01 <Samu> and have the game to generate clockwise 10:47:22 <Samu> dang, it's not 133.33% 10:47:28 <Samu> it's moar 10:48:15 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:49:12 <Eddi|zuHause> Samu: well technically the tile is 1x4 visible pixels and a row of invisible pixels 10:49:32 <Eddi|zuHause> so 2x4 is an approximation you could use 10:49:48 <Samu> 2x4?, then 200% 10:49:50 <Samu> brb 10:52:58 *** Jomann [~abchirk@p57A0A15B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 10:53:14 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 10:55:06 *** kais58|AFK is now known as kais58__2 10:57:52 <Samu> Eddi|zuHause: u got that right! looks perfect 10:58:03 <Samu> thanks 10:59:08 *** supermop [~daniel_er@d110-33-173-77.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:59:58 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 11:00:01 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 11:06:40 <Samu> original picture size: 1835x2500, adjusted picture size: 4834x4834 11:07:48 <Eddi|zuHause> you might get better results if you scale that to a power of 2 11:09:09 <Samu> the image editor im using doesn't seem to let me make higher images than that 11:09:19 <Samu> gonna try a smaller image 11:09:27 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:12:18 <planetmaker> image sizes larger than 4096^2 don't make sense anyway 11:12:27 <planetmaker> when you plan to use it as height map 11:16:16 <Samu> i picked a 400x600 image 11:16:29 <Samu> applied 200% vertical, became 400x1200 11:16:51 <Samu> then rotated 45 to the left, became 1132x1132 11:17:16 <Samu> i just suck at math, but does it seems correct? 11:18:47 <Alberth> without computing it, it doesn't look like a weird number 11:19:29 <Alberth> clip to 1024^1024 11:19:42 <Alberth> s/\^/x/ 11:21:18 <Samu> i'd post a screenshot but it's not safe for work lol 11:21:42 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:23:20 *** kais58__3 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 11:24:34 *** kais58__2 [~kais58@cpc3-cwma7-2-0-cust221.7-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:27:05 <Samu> i found a good image that's safe for work 11:27:12 <Samu> http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/76000/76095/76095_square_lg.gif 11:27:19 <Samu> brb 11:34:45 <Samu> done: http://i.imgur.com/SV5917J.png 11:35:00 *** DanMacK [~0a0a6574@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:36:37 <Samu> any thoughts? 11:37:42 *** kais58__3 is now known as kais58|AFK 11:38:51 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:38:55 <Alberth> no relevant ones, I think 11:39:37 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:39:49 *** Guest9587 [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 11:41:53 <Samu> this is how I had to prepare the image before creating a heightmap out of it: http://i.imgur.com/1UryOcp.png 11:41:54 <Samu> lol 11:43:04 <Samu> very interesting stuff you got there with the heightmap generator 11:44:24 *** supermop [~daniel_er@d110-33-173-77.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #openttd 11:44:25 <Alberth> the problem of course is that a colour in a random image does not represent height 11:44:49 <Alberth> you'd need a 3d map of the subject 11:45:31 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 11:50:42 <Samu> 3d images? 11:50:55 <Samu> wow 11:51:15 <Samu> im only using simple editing tools 11:51:34 <Samu> paint + office picture manager 11:52:30 <Alberth> that will work too, but making a realistic heightmap then is a LOT of work 11:52:32 <Eddi|zuHause> Samu: you need to make sure that higher sections have brighter colours 11:53:42 <Samu> i know, black bakcground with bright colors works wonders 11:54:15 <Samu> darker colors = low height or water 11:54:53 <Alberth> if your gf wears a white t-shirt with some print on it, the print will be lower, while in reality, it equally high as the t-shirt 11:56:45 <Samu> I see, i can try to be selective on the images that works best, I know that either a very bright background can also be problem 11:56:55 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.40.220.185] has joined #openttd 11:57:08 <Samu> or do a bit of editing if it really bothers me too much 11:57:18 <Samu> or invert colors 12:01:34 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 12:02:14 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 12:03:03 *** _2rB [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:04:02 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 12:17:37 <supermop> for some reason i can't join the polish server anymore 12:18:03 <Eddi|zuHause> now your shoes will never be shiny again! 12:21:32 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:23:19 *** Stimrol [~Stimrol@46-239-219-51.tal.is] has joined #openttd 12:25:27 <Flygon> supermop: Did you upset that Polish Food Joint in Albion? 12:27:18 <V453000> did they ban you from the server for building too many trains? 12:27:20 <V453000> happened to me once 12:28:02 <Flygon> You can get banned for building too many trains?? 12:28:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6B442.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 12:31:41 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6B442.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:32:04 *** jinks_ [~jinks@172.245.35.67] has joined #openttd 12:32:59 *** jinks_ [~jinks@172.245.35.67] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 12:35:17 *** jinks_ [~jinks@172.245.35.67] has joined #openttd 12:35:24 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-169-2-218.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #openttd 12:37:42 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 12:37:44 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000 has a way to stand opposite of everybody else's view :p 12:39:01 <supermop> nah keep getting a network error right as it finishes downloading the map 12:40:42 <V453000> well admittedly they had a hard time connecting :P 12:43:09 *** jinks_ is now known as jinks 12:44:41 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has joined #openttd 12:46:21 <Eddi|zuHause> downloading took too long? computer too slow? 12:46:41 <V453000> computer too slow. :) 12:46:59 <V453000> 2000+ trains isnt fun for pc 12:46:59 <Eddi|zuHause> i meant supermop 12:47:02 <V453000> aha 12:47:03 *** kais58|AFK is now known as kais58__3 12:47:43 <supermop> computer doesn't usually seem slow, was having no trouble running that game and map earlier today 12:48:14 <Samu> download speed perhaps 12:48:19 <supermop> i mean i am very far away from poland right now, but last night and today I had no reall connection issue 12:48:32 <V453000> get closer then :D 12:48:35 <V453000> like a sea closer 12:48:41 <V453000> /ocean 12:48:54 <Eddi|zuHause> "distance" works differently on the internet 12:49:16 <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes the shortest way from berlin to berlin goes through the USA 12:53:18 <tzaeru> this too can very simply be simulated by openttd..! just don't connect your roads in a city, instead have them loop around through a town on the other side of the whole map -.O 12:53:42 <tzaeru> that's worthy of a scenario.. 12:54:56 <Eddi|zuHause> just you won't get any money from that 13:00:07 <supermop> bed time 13:00:54 <supermop> if any of you want to take over my company on the PL server, password is mop 13:04:38 <supermop> it has some nicely timetabled trams! 13:06:32 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:07:51 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 13:08:10 *** supermop [~daniel_er@d110-33-173-77.sun801.vic.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Quit: supermop] 13:17:06 <George> Hi 13:17:15 <George> I've got a problem 13:17:51 *** mg_ [~mg@cpc3-cdif14-2-0-cust195.5-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 13:17:57 <George> When I check current speed to calculate running cost factor, I check for 0 value first. 13:18:35 <George> When a train sttands at red signal, the speed is periodically not 0, while vehicle window shows 0 13:18:43 <George> how can it happen? 13:19:26 <George> Vehicle details window shows running cost, there I can see jumps; 13:20:18 *** Godde [~quassel@72.79-160-59.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:20:49 <George> non zero value seems to be 1 13:21:11 <Eddi|zuHause> George: train waiting at block signal will constantly try to accelerate 13:21:23 <Eddi|zuHause> George: pikka had the same problem, not sure how he solved it 13:21:37 <George> andy why it gets non zero speed? 13:22:28 <Eddi|zuHause> George: because of the vehicle substeps. there are 256 substeps, and hitting a red signal will reset the progress to 10 (i believe), so it will accelerate these substeps again 13:22:47 <Eddi|zuHause> ... and again, and again, and again 13:23:13 *** Godde [~quassel@72.79-160-59.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 13:24:59 *** Twofish [~IRC@0001308f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:26:05 *** Twofish [~IRC@46.228.54.111] has joined #openttd 13:39:14 *** Godde [~quassel@72.79-160-59.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:42:01 *** Godde [~quassel@72.79-160-59.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 13:51:36 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-169-2-218.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:54:35 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:56:50 <George> Eddi|zuHause: And what's required to move the patch http://www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/var4X_weight.patch to trunck? 13:57:13 <Eddi|zuHause> George: someone who commits it 13:57:30 <George> Who should do it? 13:58:02 <Eddi|zuHause> i don't know... 14:02:09 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-169-2-218.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #openttd 14:11:26 <Samu> ((30*13)/25)*(177/88)= 14:13:19 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-179-32-158.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 14:13:21 <andythenorth> what is infrastructure sharing all about? 14:13:24 <andythenorth> is it a thing? 14:13:51 <Samu> you play with a friend in the same company 14:14:03 <Alberth> it's a suggestion in the development section 14:14:30 <andythenorth> Samu: sounds like coop, why do we need a patch? 14:14:54 <Alberth> never happy with what we have? 14:15:06 <Samu> me? I didn't ask anything 14:15:21 <andythenorth> I donât understand IS. 14:15:31 <andythenorth> why not just build new tracks? 14:15:39 <andythenorth> is it some realism thing? For modelling trains? 14:16:02 <andythenorth> itâs probably because in the UK we have one company owns tracks, other companies run the trains 14:16:07 <andythenorth> the train nerds want it? 14:16:31 <Alberth> mostly, I think 14:16:47 <Alberth> we share tracks, but some tracks are still mine, and others are yours 14:16:59 <Alberth> no idea why that's useful 14:17:00 <andythenorth> why bother? 14:17:26 <andythenorth> just merge the companies 14:17:43 <andythenorth> Yet Another Complicated Thing 14:18:10 <Alberth> and miss out all the "fun" you can do when you're playing competitively? 14:18:35 <andythenorth> griefing and such? 14:18:42 <andythenorth> itâs kind of odd 14:19:04 <andythenorth> the only goal of infrastructure seems to be griefing, and yet all the concern seems to be about anti-griefing measures 14:19:18 <andythenorth> the gameplay benefit is I can steal your tracks and cargo, no? 14:19:31 <Samu> limit player #1 in company #1 of doing A and player #2 of company #1 of doing B? 14:19:49 <andythenorth> the point is to enable me to just be a parasite 14:20:14 <andythenorth> Samu: donât take me too seriously 14:20:19 <Alberth> the point is that tracks may be expensive, so it's cheaper to use mine 14:20:32 <andythenorth> whatâs actually happening here is nothing to do with ottd 14:20:46 <Alberth> opinions differ :p 14:20:47 * andythenorth is avoiding reading the Bootstrap docs to avoid having to work out how to refactor something 14:21:21 <Alberth> just overwrite the old with the new :) 14:21:25 <andythenorth> if I am exchanging Valued Opinions here, thatâs a valid excuse for not reading the docs 14:21:31 <andythenorth> Alberth: I have to actually have a design :P 14:21:44 <andythenorth> contrary to the impression, I do actually think about code before ploughing in :P 14:22:25 <Alberth> yeah, annoying eh, that you cannot simply start coding, and think while doing :) 14:22:41 <andythenorth> I think itâs probably actually better than thinking first tbh 14:22:56 <andythenorth> at least with pure css stuff I can just start firebugging 14:23:40 <Alberth> it often is better, at least when you can see where you'll end up 14:30:31 <andythenorth> the refactoring I have to do is more like unifying common functions 14:30:38 <Eddi|zuHause> well at least _I_ want infrastructure sharing to keep local traffic and long-distance traffic in different companies, but still share one cargodist network 14:31:29 <Eddi|zuHause> it could be simulated with groups, but that's not implemented either 14:31:56 <andythenorth> Eddi|zuHause: do you also use a parent company with shareholding? o_O 14:32:14 <Eddi|zuHause> probably not 14:32:48 <andythenorth> out of interest, why separate companies? 14:33:18 <Eddi|zuHause> because... 14:33:30 <Eddi|zuHause> one local transport company in each city 14:33:38 <Eddi|zuHause> different liveries, different accounting 14:34:24 <Eddi|zuHause> different infrastructure maintenance :) 14:37:01 <andythenorth> do you share tracks? 14:37:08 <andythenorth> or just co-joined stations? 14:37:15 <Eddi|zuHause> i could live with just stations 14:37:46 <andythenorth> joining stations across companies seems interesting with lower complexity 14:38:16 <andythenorth> basically allows cargo transfers, so possible for a company to just do one or two legs of a journey 14:38:19 <Eddi|zuHause> still have the main problem: cargo payment sharing 14:38:33 <andythenorth> yeah, I am not smart enough to discuss that :) 14:38:57 <andythenorth> if we could make it a stupider problem, I become capable of opinion 14:39:51 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem is simple: do we want to remember every hop the cargo has taken for the whole route? 14:40:38 <andythenorth> doesnât that grow memory use horribly? 14:40:45 <Eddi|zuHause> it's potentially very memory heavy 14:40:46 <andythenorth> and worse on large maps? 14:41:00 <Eddi|zuHause> but it's the only solution 14:41:11 <andythenorth> unless... 14:41:14 <Eddi|zuHause> unless you do leg payment directly 14:41:19 <Eddi|zuHause> which allows cheating 14:41:24 <andythenorth> âŠwe completely change the cargo payment model 14:41:51 <andythenorth> the cheating is that you get paid as soon as leg is complete? 14:43:27 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, like transfer across the map 14:43:38 <Eddi|zuHause> or never actually reach destination 14:44:04 <andythenorth> put the money in escrow 14:44:05 <Eddi|zuHause> drop cargo in the middle of nowhere 14:44:18 <Eddi|zuHause> still get paid 14:44:23 <andythenorth> each company has an accounts receivable table: amount, cargo packet 14:44:29 <andythenorth> when packet arrives all amounts are paid out 14:44:47 <andythenorth> meanwhile we just track one amount per company per packet, instead of per leg 14:44:52 <andythenorth> or something 14:44:53 <Eddi|zuHause> that does not reduce the amount of memory consumed 14:44:56 <andythenorth> I dunno, I canât program 14:45:34 <Eddi|zuHause> you can't store the money received because you don't know the money before it arrives 14:45:51 <Eddi|zuHause> you need to store distance travelled (in the correct direction) and time taken 14:46:02 <andythenorth> oh I had made an assumption, the shipper pays a fixed price for shipping, forget all this cargo rate nonsense 14:46:21 <andythenorth> it would also âfixâ this problem people have with what they see as perverse incentive with distance 14:46:44 <Eddi|zuHause> good luck convincing anybody of that :p 14:46:50 * andythenorth does some hand-waving 14:47:09 <andythenorth> hand-waving didnât work 14:47:18 <andythenorth> trying to think of a way to divide fixed payment across legs 14:47:21 <andythenorth> not good 14:48:01 <Eddi|zuHause> see, it doesn't even solve your problem 14:48:01 <andythenorth> now I have to go back to IE 7 bugs 14:48:05 <andythenorth> :( 14:49:10 <Flygon> At least it's not IE 6 14:51:43 <Eddi|zuHause> nobody cares about ie6 anymore 14:51:55 <Eddi|zuHause> not if he intends to stay sane 14:52:02 <Rubidium> didn't MS release a IE 6 bugfix this week? 14:52:25 <Eddi|zuHause> i heard something about an XP bugfix 14:53:06 <Eddi|zuHause> a propos XP, anybody knows where i put the SP3 update pack the last time i used it? 14:53:41 <andythenorth> I was able to stop caring about IE 6 last year 14:54:37 <Flygon> Careful, the Chinese still love IE6 D; 15:04:35 <Samu> i can't turn around a road vehicle when it's on a bridge. Intended? 15:06:01 *** SpComb^ [terom@zerg.fixme.fi] has joined #openttd 15:06:25 <Eddi|zuHause> yes 15:06:34 <Eddi|zuHause> can't overtake on bridges either 15:06:36 <Samu> ok t.t 15:07:03 <Eddi|zuHause> basically the bridge does not exist, the vehicle is on the far end of the bridge head while on the bridge 15:07:11 <Eddi|zuHause> and it can only turn around at the end of the tile 15:07:37 <Eddi|zuHause> so it can only turn around when it reached the bridge head 15:08:36 <Samu> i see, thx for explaining 15:12:07 <Eddi|zuHause> is it bad when i outsmart the sudoku generator? it said i had to branch out 3 times to solve, but i only branched out once? 15:15:11 <Alberth> nah, it's software, and thus broken 15:16:10 <Samu> I forgot to apply share orders on a group of vehicles, is there a way to do it once they're bought? 15:16:31 <Flygon> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2651992/Art/Other/bridgemaster2.png No overtaking zone 15:20:39 <Samu> i wish i could drag a box to select multiple vehicles 15:20:47 <Samu> then give orders to all them at once 15:20:57 <Flygon> That 15:20:58 <Flygon> Would 15:21:01 <Flygon> Be really awesome 15:21:39 <Flygon> Also, is there a hotkey that clicks the "Go to" box in the vehicle's journey planner? 15:21:49 <Flygon> It'd make rolling out networks less painful 15:23:15 <Samu> i dont know much about hotkeys, but there's an option that presses go to when you open the window and it has no orders yet 15:23:22 <Samu> the orders window 15:24:35 <Samu> advanced settings > filter string, type go to 15:24:35 <Samu> should popup 15:36:46 * andythenorth thinks assigning vehicles to order groups (or vice versa) could use some love 15:40:33 *** andythenorth is now known as Guest9610 15:40:33 *** Guest9610 [~Andy@host86-179-32-158.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:40:33 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-179-32-158.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 15:43:21 <Samu> if I stop a vehicle that has a timetable, what will happen? are the lost days while paused counted towards it? 15:43:43 <andythenorth> a lesson I wish Iâd learned earlier in life 15:44:05 <andythenorth> what sounds like authoritative advice on a technical subject is usually just sophisticated confusion 15:46:31 <Samu> bah, didn't work 15:46:43 <andythenorth> another useful lesson would have been: html and css do *not* attract the best thinkers, typically 15:46:44 <Samu> the stopped vehicle is trying to catch up 15:46:48 <Eddi|zuHause> Flygon: tried "G"? 15:47:06 <andythenorth> but they do attract lots of verbose, pondering, second-rate thinkers with strong opinions, and their own blogs 15:47:32 * andythenorth goes back in shell 15:47:34 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-179-32-158.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 15:47:38 <Eddi|zuHause> Samu: need to adjust start date 15:47:39 <Flygon> G? 15:47:50 <Flygon> Lemme boot my desktop ad find out 15:49:29 <Flygon> Oh man 15:49:36 <Flygon> I forgot how crowded my London game is 15:49:39 <Flygon> Sooooo much red... 15:49:51 <Flygon> No wonder I gave up when I saw the 5,000 RV limit was reaching 15:50:11 <Flygon> Eddi 15:50:11 <Flygon> You 15:50:12 <Flygon> Are 15:50:12 <Flygon> A 15:50:14 <Flygon> Bloody 15:50:15 <Flygon> Livesaver 15:51:16 *** juzza1 [~juzza1@tuomi.oulu.fi] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:51:29 <Samu> timetable idea is good, but it would need a revamp for accessibility 15:51:41 <Samu> it's not easy to understand what it does 15:52:44 *** juzza1 [~juzza1@tuomi.oulu.fi] has joined #openttd 15:54:26 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, but timetable "revamps" tend to make it more complex at the same time 15:54:46 <Eddi|zuHause> there are a few on the forum 15:55:36 <Samu> the speed limit buttons for example, still can't think of a way when I'd use that option 16:02:48 *** TheMask96 [martijn@envy.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:03:19 <Samu> I would attempt to merge timetable and orders 16:03:51 <Samu> the stay for x days is really useful 16:04:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i had a network where i could have used it 16:04:10 <Eddi|zuHause> but it wasn't implemented back then 16:04:50 <Eddi|zuHause> i had a terminal station where trains arrived fast, but i needed a way to reliably ensure the train arrived after the previous one left 16:05:24 <Eddi|zuHause> so if i was able to slow down the incoming train a bit, it would have worked 16:05:51 <Eddi|zuHause> i couldn't let him start up earlier because it would interfere with other sections of the rail 16:05:58 <Eddi|zuHause> and i couldn't stop inbetween 16:06:58 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19B53.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:07:35 *** TheMask96 [martijn@sloth.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:07:42 <Samu> I see 16:08:26 <Samu> that's a case of conditional orders 16:08:41 <Eddi|zuHause> no 16:08:54 <Samu> no? then im not seeing the whole picture 16:09:29 <Samu> it's a station that accepts something that produces goods? 16:10:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i have two passenger lines: A-X-B and A-X-C where X is a junction/waypoint 16:10:18 <Eddi|zuHause> at X, trains from B and C must arrive in an interleaved fashion 16:10:41 <Eddi|zuHause> if one of them stops because the line is blocked, the entire timetable breaks down and doesn't recover 16:10:55 <Eddi|zuHause> now at B a train arrives, and another one leaves 16:11:10 <Samu> i see now 16:11:12 <Eddi|zuHause> if the leaving train is blocked by the incoming train, then it will block the next train coming from C 16:11:43 <Samu> you need all that very tightly timed to work 16:11:49 <Eddi|zuHause> exactly 16:15:48 <Samu> breakdowns will ruin it 16:15:54 <Samu> :o 16:15:56 <Eddi|zuHause> www.informatik.uni-halle.de/~krause/Loisachkirchen%20Transport,%2029.%20Aug%202019.png <-- this was the timetable 16:16:01 <Eddi|zuHause> no breakdowns 16:18:41 <Samu> dat language... ugh 16:19:01 <Samu> zug? :o 16:19:39 <valhallasw> no, Zug. 16:19:54 <Eddi|zuHause> Zug is a town in switzerland 16:20:08 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-92-43.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzâŠ] 16:28:11 <Eddi|zuHause> "Strictly speaking, Zug means Pull, Tug, Draught, Procession, March, Progress, Flight, Direction, Expedition, Train, Caravan, Passage, Stroke, Touch, Line, Flourish, Trait of Character, Feature, Lineament, Chess-move, Organ-stop, Team, Whiff, Bias, Drawer, Propensity, Inhalation, Disposition: but that thing which it does not mean â when all its legitimate pennants have been hung on, has not been discovered yet." [Mark Twain] 16:34:03 <Eddi|zuHause> (full story here: http://german.about.com/library/blmtwain01.htm) 16:36:22 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-179-32-158.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has joined #openttd 16:45:55 <LordAro> oh my poor computer 16:46:00 <LordAro> 3GB of swap being used 16:46:10 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 16:47:00 <Eddi|zuHause> i haven't had swap being used for a long time now 16:47:29 <LordAro> try running a minecraft modpack 16:47:36 <LordAro> and chrome 16:47:40 <LordAro> with 8GB RAM 16:47:49 <Eddi|zuHause> i have 12GB 16:48:10 <Eddi|zuHause> i started with 4GB but that was not enough right from the start :/ 16:49:34 <LordAro> :L 16:49:47 <LordAro> i have some money, so i think i'll buy another 8GB 16:52:43 <tzaeru> browsers of '14, now requiring a minimum of 8GB of RAM 16:52:46 <tzaeru> fuck yes. 16:53:05 <tzaeru> or well, I suppose that's mostly website's fault.. 16:53:26 <Eddi|zuHause> firefox has some evil memory leaks 16:53:40 <Eddi|zuHause> or maybe one of the plugins like flash 16:53:43 <Eddi|zuHause> or probably both 16:54:03 <LordAro> chrome doesn't leak memory (i think) but it certainly isn't very memory efficient 16:54:10 <andythenorth> 16GB is a sensible amount 16:54:30 <Eddi|zuHause> i had 1GB a few years ago, and it was perfectly viable 16:54:45 <Eddi|zuHause> then i upgraded to 4GB and the same programs didn't run anymore 16:55:10 <andythenorth> most of mine disappears to virtualbox and photoshop 16:55:19 <andythenorth> running extra OSes eats it 16:55:22 <andythenorth> and Firefox 17:04:47 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19B53.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:07:42 <tzaeru> firefox sure does eat it. 17:08:05 <tzaeru> also if you make the mistake of using such IDEs as Eclipse, you're bound to run out of memory even if you had a gazillion billion terabytes of it 17:08:55 <Eddi|zuHause> the only times i ran out of memory the past year were when i was recording and ran out of disk space 17:09:15 <Eddi|zuHause> for some reason that means the program is buffering up all the stuff somewhere 17:09:52 <Eddi|zuHause> the weird part of this is that even if i free up disk space during this phase, it won't write the buffered stuff to disk 17:10:13 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 17:16:02 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-11053.vo.lu] has joined #openttd 17:16:50 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:20:03 *** retro|cz [~retro@ip-89-176-82-80.net.upcbroadband.cz] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:21:39 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.dihedral-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:21:56 <Samu> can you make road/rail crossing a setting? 17:21:58 <Samu> on or off? 17:22:02 *** dihedral [~dih@znc.dihedral-server.de] has joined #openttd 17:23:21 <Alberth> how would that work? 17:23:37 <Rubidium> that's called "newgrf" 17:23:48 <Samu> permission to build road on competitors rail 17:23:48 <Alberth> in particular when you have crossings, and turn it "off" 17:23:59 <Samu> and permission to build rail on competitor's road 17:24:34 <Samu> i hate to see my trucks die to a troll train 17:24:41 <Samu> this should fix it 17:24:44 <Alberth> sounds dangerous 17:25:06 <George> planetmaker: are you here? 17:25:37 <George> I try to make a repositiory http://dev.openttdcoop.org/projects/ecs/repository 17:25:43 <Samu> there are one-way roads and they can already block rails from crossing, but that would mean I'd have to double the road 17:25:50 <Samu> just because of a troll 17:25:53 <George> but my tortoisehg can't write there 17:26:08 <George> says "no suitable response from remote hg" 17:26:18 <George> What am I doing wrong? 17:28:06 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387AD51.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 17:31:51 <Alberth> quite likely, devzone is not giving remote creation access 17:32:08 <Alberth> which is quite sane to do :) 17:32:42 <George> Can you make one for ECS? 17:32:58 <Alberth> don't think I can 17:33:06 <George> Who can? 17:34:34 <Alberth> mostly planetmaker. I'd say just make an issue at the devzone help center asking for an empty repository 17:35:12 <Alberth> work on a local one, and when devzone is ready, you can push your data into the devzone repository 17:38:02 <George> Done 17:40:18 <Eddi|zuHause> George: if you previously used https to push, that is not possible anymore, you need to use ssh 17:40:39 <George> I use SSH 17:40:49 <Eddi|zuHause> then i don't know 17:40:53 <George> It works fine for xUSSR set and WAS 17:41:47 <George> Eddi|zuHause: As Alberth wrote it may happen because it does not exsist yet 17:42:39 *** andythenorth [~Andy@host86-179-32-158.range86-179.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 17:42:58 <Alberth> the "repository" tab of the project also doesn't display a revision, so something is definitely wrong with it 17:45:31 <DorpsGek> Commit by translators :: r26564 /trunk/src/lang (finnish.txt hungarian.txt) (2014-05-05 17:45:23 UTC) 17:45:32 <DorpsGek> -Update from WebTranslator v3.0: 17:45:33 <DorpsGek> finnish - 5 changes by jpx_ 17:45:34 <DorpsGek> hungarian - 22 changes by Brumi 17:48:53 <Samu> newgrf :( 17:51:12 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 17:51:59 <Alberth> hi, hi, you just missed your own language commit :) 17:57:04 <Samu> but why newgrf? 17:57:27 <Samu> can't it be based on one-way roads? 18:03:56 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d01fbfd.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 18:05:39 <Alberth> quak 18:06:15 <frosch123> hai 18:12:36 <Brumi> 6 minutes late for my commit... :P 18:12:42 <Brumi> and even joining afk 18:16:11 <Supercheese> This is IRC, the vast majority are afk 18:16:44 <Rubidium> because at least here you can easily get afk ;) 18:16:53 <frosch123> some are bots, with the only purpose to wish a new year 18:17:17 <Rubidium> all those fancy phone chat applications make it really hard to be afk 18:17:28 <Rubidium> although... more like aft 18:24:47 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:25:13 <Wolf01> hello o/ 18:28:58 <Alberth> o/ 18:38:29 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:43:29 *** luaduck [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: OH MY GOD ZNC IS SO FUCKING AWESOME] 18:46:11 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387AD51.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 18:46:32 *** slaca [~slaca@188-143-32-178.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 18:54:48 <Phreeze> Samu server running ? 18:56:03 <planetmaker> hi hi 18:57:17 <Samu> hey 18:57:18 <Samu> yes 18:57:26 <Phreeze> name ? 18:57:40 <Phreeze> anything running thats more than just a test ? :D 18:57:59 <Samu> there's an AI on it with 1700 buses 18:58:07 <Samu> sec 18:58:12 <Phreeze> ... 18:58:22 <Phreeze> k..leave it .. :D 19:00:09 <Samu> 2019 buses now 19:00:30 <Phreeze> that's why i dont like ai 19:00:33 <Phreeze> it's just mass producing shit 19:01:02 <Samu> he doesn't do industries at all 19:01:36 <Phreeze> why do you use AIs anyway ? 19:01:59 <Samu> for testing, and see how ppl deal with them 19:22:21 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:32:18 <Phreeze> to the german here, watch RTL 19:32:24 <Phreeze> i'm so shocked 19:32:32 <Phreeze> i want to kill some people... 19:32:56 <Phreeze> undercover in an old people's home 19:33:22 <Phreeze> one has fallen from bed, and is lying head down, the women working there leave here and first take pictures and laugh 19:34:58 <__ln___> it's good people enjoy their work 19:35:10 <Phreeze> ? 19:35:17 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387AD51.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 19:35:30 <Phreeze> i dont know if this is irony a joke or whatever 19:35:41 <Phreeze> but it was not the moment to joke 19:36:30 <__ln___> not the best moment, no 19:42:07 <Samu> woah, the AI just bloomed 19:42:15 <Samu> it's on 4000+ road vehicles 19:42:20 <Samu> limit is 5k 19:42:32 <Phreeze> what server are you using ? is it crashing ? :D 19:42:40 <Samu> no 19:42:55 <Samu> it's running fine 19:43:19 <Phreeze> local ? 19:43:26 <Samu> http://www.openttd.org/en/server/80714 19:43:51 <Phreeze> ...local pc or dedicated server 19:43:54 <Phreeze> or virtual host 19:44:05 <Samu> local pc 19:44:30 <Phreeze> ah k. bom. 19:44:55 *** Haube [~michi@77-20-0-12-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 19:45:26 *** chrswk [~chrswk@213.188.53.45] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:45:44 *** Dan9550 [~dan9550@66.238-27-211.dynamic.dsl.mel.iprimus.net.au] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:46:25 *** Haube [~michi@77-20-0-12-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:49:07 *** HerzogDeXtEr1 [~flex@i59F6B442.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:53:49 *** tommylommykins [~t@ks362631.kimsufi.com] has joined #openttd 19:57:08 * tommylommykins waves 19:57:56 <tommylommykins> does anyone mind helping with a little problem? I'm trying to install openttd over the commandline in linux. Executing openttd dies with an error saying that it doesn't know where opengfx is 19:58:00 *** luaduck_zzz [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:58:11 <tommylommykins> I have downloaded and extracted opengfx, but I have no idea how to tell openttd where it is 19:58:22 *** luaduck_zzz is now known as luaduck 19:58:29 <planetmaker> section 4 of the readme tells you where openttd expects to find it 19:58:33 <planetmaker> ~/.openttd/baseset 19:58:58 <planetmaker> yet it should also ask you whether you want to download it 19:59:00 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:59:36 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 20:00:03 <tommylommykins> oh, serves me right for not reading second half of the error message 20:00:17 <tommylommykins> it does point me at the readme 20:00:29 <tommylommykins> It doesn't prompt me to install it though 20:00:41 <tommylommykins> oh well, that's my fault for not reading the whole error 20:07:30 <tommylommykins> thanks for the help, by the way <3 20:08:43 <planetmaker> welcome 20:12:42 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19B53.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 20:21:14 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 20:26:31 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-11053.vo.lu] has quit [] 20:33:04 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19B53.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:23 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 20:58:22 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 21:01:40 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@vadtec.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:15:02 *** Vadtec [~Vadtec@vadtec.net] has joined #openttd 21:19:49 *** Brumi_ [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 21:21:09 *** slaca [~slaca@188-143-32-178.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:25:49 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:34:22 *** luaduck [~luaduck@0001c465.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: OH MY GOD ZNC IS SO FUCKING AWESOME] 21:37:55 *** LSky [lskynl@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 21:38:17 <tommylommykins> hmm, another annoying question... I'm trying to enable some newgrfs on this server 21:39:26 <tommylommykins> I've copy/pasted them into .openttd/content_download/newgrf, and the debug output given with debulevel "grf=9" says that openttd has found them 21:39:39 <tommylommykins> but when I put them in the [newgrf] section of the openttd config file 21:39:44 <frosch123> easiest method is to prepare a savegame with a gui client and upload that savegame 21:39:57 <tommylommykins> and then start openttd, openttd deletes them from the config file 21:40:04 <frosch123> common mistake in openttd.cfg is mixup of / and \ 21:40:04 <tommylommykins> oh 21:42:38 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:42:48 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:45:06 <tommylommykins> aha! 21:45:12 <tommylommykins> that worked quite nicely :D 21:45:14 <tommylommykins> thanks 21:49:30 *** Flygon_ [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has joined #openttd 21:49:47 *** Flygon [~Flygon@147.18.214.218.sta.commander.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:53:15 <frosch123> night 21:53:18 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d01fbfd.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:59:45 *** valhallasw [~valhallas@s55978e11.adsl.online.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:01:58 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:11:55 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 22:14:48 *** funnel [~funnel@0001c7d4.user.oftc.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:16:21 *** funnel [~funnel@0001c7d4.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:16:39 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:18:44 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:19:33 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 22:19:37 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-105-92-43.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 22:37:28 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:38:14 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 22:43:34 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 22:55:14 *** tokai|noir [~tokai@00012860.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 22:55:18 *** mode/#openttd [+v tokai|noir] by ChanServ 22:58:40 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387AD51.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 22:59:46 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 23:00:59 *** tokai|mdlx [~tokai@port-92-195-116-104.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:14:04 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:24:15 *** Sanfred_ [sanfred@paj.sanfred.se] has joined #openttd 23:26:09 *** Sanfred [sanfred@paj.sanfred.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:26:50 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po2-84-90-120-62.netvisao.pt] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:26:50 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:28:56 *** Guest9587 [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:39:35 *** Sanfred_ [sanfred@paj.sanfred.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:40:59 *** ABCRic [~ABCRic@a79-169-2-218.cpe.netcabo.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 23:43:34 *** Sanfred [sanfred@paj.sanfred.se] has joined #openttd 23:57:05 *** Xaroth [~Xaroth@00017153.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]