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[~jonno@ppp118-209-111-165.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:17:32 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 08:27:40 *** jjavaholic [~jjavaholi@grahamg63.plus.com] has joined #openttd 08:41:16 *** JdGordon| [~jonno@ppp118-209-44-189.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 08:46:45 *** JdGordon1 [~jonno@ppp118-209-74-141.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 08:58:05 <Alberth> moin to all awake at this time 08:59:59 <Xaroth|Work> o/ 09:06:44 <Taede> mornin 09:07:29 *** Phreeze [~p@vodsl-9420.vo.lu] has joined #openttd 09:08:15 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 09:14:29 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 09:16:16 *** JdGordon1 [~jonno@ppp118-209-78-75.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 09:19:58 *** JdGordon| [~jonno@ppp118-209-44-189.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 09:21:55 *** JdGordon| [~jonno@ppp118-209-101-138.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has joined #openttd 09:24:14 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:24:29 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@80.61.122.193] has joined #openttd 09:27:30 *** JdGordon1 [~jonno@ppp118-209-78-75.lns20.mel4.internode.on.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:09:31 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.182.49] has joined #openttd 10:30:13 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 10:41:09 *** talebowl [~delltvgat@83.134.112.78] has joined #openttd 10:50:09 *** frosch123 [~frosch@95.116.90.245] has joined #openttd 10:50:15 <Alberth> quak 10:50:36 <LordAro> ^ 10:51:15 <frosch123> hai 10:53:05 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 10:56:06 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:a074:f6cb:52da:a94b] has joined #openttd 11:03:40 <Aristide> Hi :) 11:03:46 <Alberth> o/ 11:05:14 <Aristide> Alberth: \o 11:05:24 *** Youbi__ [~Youbi@AToulon-651-1-194-67.w86-211.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #openttd 11:07:58 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has joined #openttd 11:08:55 <Aristide> SNCF : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoJcthxIEAA55iV.jpg :troll: 11:10:18 <Eddi|zuHause> in germany you sometimes have frames before the bridge with a slightly smaller size, so when a truck would hit the bridge, it would hit the frame instead 11:10:18 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.182.49] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:10:36 <Aristide> ^^ 11:10:36 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@88.130.182.49] has joined #openttd 11:11:09 <Taede> same in the netherlands 11:11:22 <Taede> though they tend to be same height, but with chains dangling down 11:11:23 <Aristide> Eddi|zuHause: I don't know if you know, but SNCF has bought 2 000 too larger trains :') 11:11:39 <Eddi|zuHause> Aristide: yes i heard 11:11:42 <Aristide> :p 11:11:45 <Aristide> Its fun :x 11:11:58 *** Youbi [~Youbi@AToulon-651-1-318-222.w86-211.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:13:12 <Eddi|zuHause> it's way better than in germany, where they buy trains which don't get delivered, or you can't sit when you have normal sized legs, or the doors won't close 11:13:31 <Aristide> ^^ 11:13:43 <Aristide> In Lyon, we have an other example about Confluence Museum 11:13:59 <Aristide> 2000 : 61 000 000 ⬠:D 11:14:07 <Aristide> 2011 : 267 000 000 ⬠:D 11:14:39 <Eddi|zuHause> sounds like the Elbphilharmonie in Hamburg 11:15:18 <Eddi|zuHause> and don't even get started about Stuttgart train station and Berlin airport :p 11:15:37 <Aristide> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musée_des_Confluences :x 11:17:31 <Aristide> Here we have a problem in a gare : Part Dieu is ready for 35 000 peoples per day, but actually : 120 000 peoples per day use this gare 11:18:00 <Aristide> 180 000 000 ⬠must be invested 11:19:42 <Eddi|zuHause> the original estimate for the Elbphilharmonie was 77 Mio â¬, upon starting construction in 2007 it was 114 Mio â¬, in 2012 it was 575 Mio ⬠and in 2013 789 Mio ⬠11:20:16 <Aristide> :') 11:20:30 <Aristide> I don't know what is final cost in 2013 or 2014 :/ 11:20:45 <Eddi|zuHause> also the finishing date was ever pushed backwards 11:21:18 <Aristide> :') 11:21:36 <Alberth> and then people claim only ict projects get out of hand :p 11:22:43 <Eddi|zuHause> and the "Stuttgart 21" project, where they completely remove the dead end station of stuttgart, and replace it with an underground station 90° turned, originally was meant to cost 1 Mrd â¬, it's currently estimated at over 4 Mrd â¬, which was always said as "at this point it can't refinance itself", and probably will cost double that 11:23:55 <Eddi|zuHause> they actually got violent protests on that one 11:24:05 <Eddi|zuHause> including police brutality 11:24:25 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:24:30 <Wolf01> hi hi 11:24:31 <Alberth> o/ 11:24:43 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:26:37 <Rubidium> cost overruns are normal due to the way the 'higher' ups present the budgets 11:26:59 <Wolf01> ahah I just re-read the comment of Rubidium about the auto-update of grfs "There are plans to implement something, but before that gets useful we'll probably be in 2012 or something." <- yeah, it's more like something, better late than never ;) 11:27:55 <Rubidium> the lower levels say: part X will cost 10-40 million, then all these numbers of all subparts get aggregrated, so you'll get something like it will cost 1 billion - 4 billion. Finally the highest level will say: it will cost at most 1 billion 11:29:36 <Rubidium> heh... that's only a two year overrun for a project where nobody can really pressure someone else to do something; I'd say that's quite good 11:30:05 <Wolf01> really 11:30:52 <Rubidium> and it stayed within budget; it's still EUR 0,00. Exactly what was budgetted 11:32:08 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32:40 *** Supercheese [~Superchee@76.178.136.186] has joined #openttd 11:36:11 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A3B2.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 11:38:28 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1925F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 11:38:40 *** Samu [~oftc-webi@po-217-129-155-165.netvisao.pt] has joined #openttd 11:38:59 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19247.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:39:18 <Samu> hi, is brumi here? 11:39:23 <Eddi|zuHause> is the game version not part of the image metadata? 11:42:01 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: it should be 11:42:20 <Eddi|zuHause> not in this file: http://www.tt-forums.net/download/file.php?id=178896 11:42:52 <Eddi|zuHause> oh, i see it 11:42:54 <Rubidium> that's h122e7a62 11:42:54 <Eddi|zuHause> "Software : h122e7a62" 11:43:11 <Rubidium> chillpp 11:43:20 <Eddi|zuHause> yes, i recognize that number 11:43:44 <Eddi|zuHause> i guess that is waaaaay too old for the house date fix 11:44:22 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@80.61.122.193] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:44:36 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 11:45:47 <Rubidium> Eddi|zuHause: [NewGRF] If a NewGRF overrides a default house the minimum start year for that house was set to 1930? 11:46:35 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:46:37 <Rubidium> that's 1.1.4-RC1 (november 2011), whereas the chillpp build is of july 2012 11:46:45 <Eddi|zuHause> does not sound right. more like "assure that a house for each town zone is available at game start" 11:47:19 <Eddi|zuHause> -Fix [FS#4600]: try to make sure there is an early house available in the current climate for every townzone, not just a single available house for all climates/townzones 11:47:20 <Rubidium> then I have no clue 11:48:35 <Rubidium> that's april 2011 / 1.1.1-RC1 11:49:19 <Eddi|zuHause> afair chillpp stopped updating somewhere halfway to 1.2 11:50:13 <Rubidium> https://hg.openttdcoop.org/chillpp <- that revision log looks just wrong 11:51:51 <Eddi|zuHause> my chillpp checkout is of r22273, whereas the above house fix is r22389 11:52:26 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 11:52:31 <Eddi|zuHause> but i probably don't have the very latest chillpp 11:55:00 <Samu> Brumi: you there? 11:55:07 <Brumi> yeah 11:55:19 <Samu> i finally got it 11:55:32 <Samu> a replay with TTDX AI building an helicopter 11:55:34 <Samu> need? 11:55:42 <Brumi> wow 11:55:48 <Brumi> yes I'm interested 11:55:53 <Samu> replay = savegame, oops 11:55:55 <Brumi> seen any ships since then :) 11:55:58 <Brumi> ? 11:56:08 <Samu> nop, not that im aware 11:58:22 <Samu> sec 11:58:48 <Samu> http://1drv.ms/1r5KRgE 11:58:55 <Samu> TRT11.SV1 11:59:07 <Samu> it's the orange company 12:00:31 <Brumi> thx 12:01:22 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:01:36 <Eddi|zuHause> Rubidium: afair, ChillPP stopped right before all the GRFv8 stuff was commited, and then only singular revisions were backported 12:02:36 <Brumi> hmm oil rig again 12:02:52 <Brumi> it seems that the TTD AI had some special support for oil rigs 12:03:00 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host-92-24-22-69.ppp.as43234.net] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 12:03:50 <Samu> :) 12:05:16 <Alberth> sounds reasonable; oil rigs are special in a number of ways 12:18:15 <Samu> I must try the other tilesets 12:19:21 <Samu> it took me nearly 2 weeks to finally get an AI to make an helicopter 12:27:39 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has quit [] 12:32:04 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 12:38:07 <Aristide> https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/p320x320/10313584_611869488908392_1501301217353287185_n.jpg ^^ 12:38:08 <Aristide> xD 12:38:48 <Aristide> Believe me my experience SNCF engineering station, it goes nickel 12:38:51 <Aristide> (For translate) 12:45:07 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:a074:f6cb:52da:a94b] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:45:48 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:00:53 *** Brumi [~quassel@78-131-41-191.pool.digikabel.hu] has joined #openttd 13:19:59 <Eddi|zuHause> besides that i find the joke inappropriate, what does "nickel" mean in that context? 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18:52:54 <MTsPony> Well, not yet. The plan is to make a big server capable of around that 18:53:33 <MTsPony> I had one started up, but some folks wanted some GRF additions etc, also I'm prolly gonna use the reddit build with daylenght patch 18:54:35 <Alberth> with 16 persons each has 1024x1024 tiles 18:54:49 <Alberth> with 32 persons that's 512x1024 18:54:56 <MTsPony> Interesting. 18:54:58 <planetmaker> he... on coop we play on 1024 tiles for weeks 18:55:05 <planetmaker> 1024² 18:55:15 <MTsPony> hax :p 18:55:26 <planetmaker> no, contrary to that we do not use any patches 18:55:34 <Eddi|zuHause> with 4096² people will have trouble signing on earlier 18:55:38 <Alberth> so nobody will run into each other 18:55:40 <MTsPony> Could anyone shed some light on the bandwidth requirements for like a 16 man player 4096x4096 server? 18:55:52 <Alberth> bandwitdh is not the problem 18:55:53 <planetmaker> 3kbit / client 18:55:55 <Eddi|zuHause> bandwidth is negligible, CPU power is relevant 18:56:05 <MTsPony> i7 @ 4.4ghz doable? 18:56:05 <planetmaker> additionally the downloads of the map when joining 18:56:18 <planetmaker> MTsPony, every client needs a *better* CPU than the server 18:56:27 <Eddi|zuHause> MTsPony: the CPU power of every single client 18:56:27 <planetmaker> mind that :) 18:56:46 <MTsPony> so far the cpu usage has been around 1-2% on 4096x4096 maps here, with around 300 trains 18:56:47 <Eddi|zuHause> MTsPony: as odd as it sounds, you get the best results when the server is the slowest 18:57:03 <Eddi|zuHause> MTsPony: also, single-core speed matters 18:57:13 <MTsPony> that'd be 4.4ghz i7 single core then :p 18:57:38 <Alberth> your % is probably for all cores 18:57:48 <planetmaker> on windows it surely is 18:58:32 <Eddi|zuHause> MTsPony: the easiest metrics of whether your computer can handle stuff is when you take a really full game (like >1000 vehicles and lots of cargo) and press the fast forward button. 18:58:44 <Eddi|zuHause> if the game still speeds up significantly, you're fine 18:58:52 <MTsPony> yeh ok 18:59:45 <Alberth> not that 1000 vehicles at 30 persons is just 30 vehicles each 18:59:48 <Alberth> *note 19:00:17 <Alberth> ie done in a few game years at normal speed 19:01:37 <DorpsGek> Commit by planetmaker :: r26616 trunk/src/network/network_server.cpp (2014-05-25 19:01:30 UTC) 19:01:38 <DorpsGek> -Fix (r26576) [FS#6025]: First send packages about new company, then clients joining it to admin port (Taede) 19:02:02 <Eddi|zuHause> that grammar is off... 19:02:48 <Eddi|zuHause> at the very least it's missing a comma, which makes it really hard to understand on first read 19:03:05 <Taede> or an 'about' 19:03:19 <Taede> 'then about clients joining it' 19:03:37 <Taede> also, ello 19:04:32 <planetmaker> I hope you don't mind that I now don't hack the svn server to fix the stored commit message ;) 19:04:48 <Eddi|zuHause> I DO!! 19:05:11 <Eddi|zuHause> and to support my anger, i release __ln___ onto you!! 19:05:20 <Taede> lol 19:05:34 * Taede is content with having a first patch in trunk 19:05:41 <Eddi|zuHause> s/support/emphasise/ 19:05:44 <planetmaker> oh noes! /me quickly hides 19:08:27 <andythenorth> did a bit more today https://www.flickr.com/photos/andythenorth/14264965852/in/photostream/ 19:08:38 <andythenorth> those two grey things are linear actuators for the articulated steering 19:09:10 <Alberth> it escaped from the lab/house! 19:10:11 <Alberth> looks much better, in the wild :) 19:12:20 <frosch123> hmm, oh, i found a forums tab 19:12:36 <frosch123> i opened it this morning, but then thought maybe read it later :p 19:12:54 <frosch123> i guess i just skip it today :) 19:13:37 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 19:15:37 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:15:45 <Eddi|zuHause> "Vitali Klitschko is new mayor of Kiew" 19:20:50 <LSky`> MTsPony, if you need help with the reddit client and its settings, send me a message 19:22:03 <MTsPony> hey 19:22:28 <LSky`> hi, Jinassi told me you were looking for some help. seems like youve had some questions answered already though 19:22:39 <planetmaker> I would find it much more interesting, if someone started a server which always uses the current nightly 19:22:53 <planetmaker> Thus updates at like 21h CET or so 19:23:14 <LSky`> it would mean people would have to update their client though, right? 19:23:26 <planetmaker> well, they would yes 19:23:54 <LSky`> ifor testing purposes, it makes total sense 19:24:02 <planetmaker> but that's not more complicated, on the contrary, it's easier than installing a 'custom' client 19:24:03 <LSky`> but for actual playing, I dont see that working out too well 19:24:15 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@188.198.71.176] has joined #openttd 19:24:20 <Alberth> you can also update twice a week or so 19:24:28 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:24:31 <planetmaker> and there's several auto-updates which give you nightly or so just by a mouse click 19:24:32 <Jinassi> Hi 19:24:56 <planetmaker> well, with coop we update like once a week. Usually prior to a new map. Unless I simply update :P 19:26:38 <planetmaker> well, and stable server only updates when there's a new testing or stable release... But then also mid-game :) 19:26:55 <frosch123> you kind of want to update when noone is playing 19:27:13 <frosch123> so, rather 9am instead of 9pm :p 19:27:34 <frosch123> resp. on wednesday or thursday if weekly 19:28:05 <planetmaker> yeah, also viable :) 19:28:35 <planetmaker> There once was a nightly server and it had a quite active community really 19:33:37 <Eddi|zuHause> but even that did not update daily 19:34:14 <planetmaker> dih's server did 19:34:58 <Jinassi> hey, openttdcoop peeps, does your resolution tweak from 2006 blopost still applies to current revisions? 19:35:03 <Jinassi> http://blog.openttdcoop.org/2006/09/04/reduce-server-cpu-usage-drastically/ 19:35:49 <planetmaker> I will be surprised 19:36:25 <Eddi|zuHause> Jinassi: dedicated server has had an overhaul since then 19:36:40 <Jinassi> yes it is an old tweak, hence i am asking 19:37:12 <Eddi|zuHause> basically a "dedicated blitter" has been introduced that discards screen output at earlier stages of processing 19:38:03 <Eddi|zuHause> whereas back then all the sprite sorting and buffering still happened, just the push to the graphics driver never happened 19:38:18 <Eddi|zuHause> now also the sprite sorting is skipped 19:38:43 <Eddi|zuHause> unless you specifically enable it 19:39:02 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:39:03 <Jinassi> Alright, so help me here a bit, I'm on wiki and am really curious what value should I write to usethat dedicated blitter? 19:39:14 <Eddi|zuHause> (that only makes sense if you want to take screenshots and stuff from the server console, so nobody really does it) 19:39:41 <Eddi|zuHause> the dedicated blitter is automatically used when you start in dedicated mode (-D) 19:39:48 <Jinassi> no, want to help make a 4k x 4k map and really use any helpfull tweak to make it run smooth 19:39:58 <Jinassi> Thank you very much 19:40:02 <MTsPony> :o 19:41:14 <planetmaker> Jinassi, as I said earlier to MTsPony: whatever the server does, *every client* needs a more powerful CPU 19:41:22 <planetmaker> As it additionally also has to handle the graphics output 19:42:31 <Eddi|zuHause> MTsPony, Jinassi: when the server is too fast, people will drop out of the game because their clients cannot keep up 19:43:39 <Jinassi> we had lotsa practice on /r/openttd and many empires were built and demolished 19:44:11 <Eddi|zuHause> if you speed up the server, you make the issue worse 19:45:43 <Jinassi> lsky tooks great care of us and a well polished custom build didn't bring us to that issue...yet 19:45:55 <Jinassi> *server and client 19:46:05 <LSky`> what issue? 19:46:26 <Jinassi> server too fast, clents cant keep up 19:47:02 <planetmaker> that mod does not change anything on that end, Jinassi ;) 19:48:58 <LSky`> nope 19:50:05 <LSky`> but weve had issues with clients not being able to keep up 19:50:13 <LSky`> as explained before, its dependent on client hardware 19:50:55 <MTsPony> when would the server be too fast? 19:51:18 <Rubidium> when clients can't keep up with the server? 19:51:59 <planetmaker> MTsPony, basically it depends on what you expect your *average* client to handle, on how wide the computer speed varies between your different clients. And the percentage of possible clients you want to exclude by your settings :) 19:52:29 <planetmaker> (and maybe those which you gain by running the hardware-intensive settings) 19:53:22 <MTsPony> so if some guy with a pentium 1 connects, Or even manages, every game will run dog slow? 19:53:27 <LSky`> no 19:53:30 <LSky`> he will just lag out 19:53:32 <MTsPony> ah 19:53:53 <DorpsGek> Commit by rubidium :: r26617 /trunk/src/script (4 files) (2014-05-25 19:53:46 UTC) 19:53:54 <DorpsGek> -Fix [FS#5973]: [Script] Loading/parsing of info .nuts was done in the same VM, causing e.g. constants to break the loading of info of other scripts 19:54:25 <LSky`> its better explained like this 19:54:30 <LSky`> the server doesnt run 'fast' 19:54:41 <LSky`> it just runs its pace, but eventually clients will be unable to keep up 19:54:44 <LSky`> theyre too slow 19:55:16 <planetmaker> MTsPony, you simply will not learn to know them. For the reasons lsky just said 19:55:26 <planetmaker> they never will be able to see the map or say a word ingame 19:55:44 <MTsPony> ah 19:55:46 <MTsPony> well. in that 19:55:47 <MTsPony> case 19:55:53 <MTsPony> they should upgrade their pc or connection eh? :p 19:56:21 <Alberth> no, their CPU cannot keep up 19:57:23 <Alberth> if your server runs at 100%, you run the game only 19:57:39 <Alberth> a client needs to run the same game AND draw the images to the screen 19:58:02 <planetmaker> my unqualified experience tells me, a client needs 20% more cpu 19:58:17 <Taede> and contrary to most other games out there, drawing is done mostly by cpu instead of gfx card 19:59:48 <Alberth> on the other hand, if you have a slow server, the game as a whole slows down earlier, but all clients then have time to draw the graphics 20:00:02 <Alberth> and stay connected 20:04:10 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@80.61.122.193] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:04:24 *** tycoondemon [~ashnohoe@ip503d7ac1.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 20:05:22 <MTsPony> anyone know the highest settings for 20:05:23 <MTsPony> [network] 20:05:23 <MTsPony> commands_per_frame = 2 20:05:23 <MTsPony> max_commands_in_queue = 16 20:05:23 <MTsPony> bytes_per_frame = 8 20:05:24 <MTsPony> bytes_per_frame_burst = 256 20:05:24 <MTsPony> max_init_time = 20000 20:05:26 <MTsPony> max_join_time = 20000 20:05:26 <MTsPony> max_download_time = 32000 20:05:28 <MTsPony> max_password_time = 4000 20:05:28 <MTsPony> max_lag_time = 1000 20:05:30 <MTsPony> pause_on_join = true 20:05:32 <MTsPony> the *time entries anyway 20:06:48 <Taede> not of the top of my head, but if you type for instance 'set commands_per_frame' without a value, it will tell you the current value as well as a min/max value where applicable 20:06:58 <Taede> in the console 20:06:58 <MTsPony> kk thx 20:21:06 *** RageRiot| [~Rage@87.113.48.33] has joined #openttd 20:22:15 <RageRiot|> Hi, I was asking yesterday about font sizes. I changed the medium font to somthing easier on my eyes but the size isnt increasing. 20:23:36 <RageRiot|> medium_size = 16 20:23:47 <RageRiot|> the font stayed the same size, 20:26:17 <frosch123> you also have to change the font, not only the size 20:26:19 <RageRiot|> Also music isnt playing. I looked at the Faq which suggests I need timidity which is installed on my system. The commands it suggests I enter returns an error 20:26:25 <frosch123> the default font does not support different sizes 20:26:54 <RageRiot|> I did 20:27:02 <RageRiot|> medium_font = DejaVu Sans Mono Bold 20:27:03 <RageRiot|> medium_size = 8 20:27:34 <RageRiot|> that should have been 16 but I tested with 8 20:28:25 <frosch123> is that really the font name? 20:29:20 <frosch123> maybe you mean the font "DejaVu Sans Mono" in the bold variant? then it would be "DejaVu Sand Mono, bold" 20:30:37 <planetmaker> good night 20:32:21 <RageRiot|> hmm I think it is working now I've chose a different font 20:33:22 <RageRiot|> ye I think it kept going back to a defualt font when I used DejaVu Sand Mono, bold 20:33:24 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:33:42 <frosch123> if you copied my typo :p 20:34:20 <RageRiot|> lol haha ye good point but I tried it last night where I copied front the font viewer on linux mint 20:35:59 <RageRiot|> I've gotta go out for a bit. I'll ask about the sound when I get back. 20:36:01 <RageRiot|> Thansk 20:36:07 <RageRiot|> thanks* 20:45:43 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:46:04 *** DDR [~kvirc@S010600254bbe4e1c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #openttd 20:56:17 *** Djohaal [~Djohaal@177.132.110.65] has joined #openttd 21:07:09 *** sla_ro|master [slamaster@95.76.164.39] has quit [] 21:08:10 <Wolf01> 'night all 21:08:18 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:16:21 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 21:16:50 *** frosch123 [~frosch@95.116.90.245] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 21:21:29 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 21:21:32 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 21:47:09 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:cc6e:bb44:6ebb:6572] has joined #openttd 21:56:02 *** LSky` [LSky@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [] 22:31:35 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:32:51 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.178.243.221] has quit [Quit: AdiIRC is updating to v1.9.3 Beta Build (2014/05/25) 64 Bit] 22:33:39 *** Pereba [~UserNick@179.178.243.221] has joined #openttd 22:35:26 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36:51 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387A3B2.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 22:40:12 *** Progman_ [~progman@p57A1925F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:43:59 <Eddi|zuHause> RageRiot|: are you absolutely sure the font changes? 22:47:28 <Eddi|zuHause> RageRiot|: can you get some relevant debug output? 22:49:07 <Jinassi> prolly has an old config file, i don't see any font settings in win version 22:49:30 <Jinassi> though he's on linux if i remember correctly 22:51:09 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 23:12:19 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 23:18:14 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:19:26 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:27:18 *** Hazzard [~quassel@67.174.253.44] has joined #openttd 23:32:05 <RageRiot|> hey eddi yeh it reallt does seem to work now. 23:36:31 <Jinassi> Rage, do tell me how did you make it work, i play on 3 montors and on high resolution it really puts a strain on eyes 23:37:00 <RageRiot|> I think you need to have the font in quotes 23:37:10 <RageRiot|> and bold after the comma 23:37:21 <RageRiot|> small_font = "Bitstream Charterf, Bold" 23:39:22 <Jinassi> is AA false or true? 23:39:55 <RageRiot|> I left mine false but I might play with that later 23:40:03 <Jinassi> rgr 23:43:24 <RageRiot|> are you on linux as well Jinassi ? 23:43:49 <RageRiot|> music isnt workin on mine. 23:43:57 <Jinassi> win7 23:44:10 <RageRiot|> ok 23:47:11 *** Jinassi1 [~Jinassi@internet-188-198-71-176.narocnik.mobitel.si] has joined #openttd 23:52:00 *** Jinassi [~Jinassi@188.198.71.176] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]