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00:41:57 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host-92-24-20-27.ppp.as43234.net] has joined #openttd 00:49:31 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 01:08:26 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 01:21:21 <Wolf01> 'night 01:21:27 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 01:54:45 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host-92-24-20-27.ppp.as43234.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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(www.adiirc.com)] 08:07:58 *** montalvo [~montalvo@79-78-222-155.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:10:53 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host-2-98-147-18.as13285.net] has joined #openttd 08:22:55 *** guru3_ is now known as guru3 09:43:55 *** MJP [~mjp@hq.z77.fr] has joined #openttd 09:45:44 *** tyteen4a03 [tyteen@107.170.30.129] has quit [Quit: Black bird fly, you were only waiting for this moment to arise] 09:46:46 *** tyteen4a03 [tyteen@107.170.30.129] has joined #openttd 10:37:35 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:49:48 <V453000> http://www.rouming.cz/upload/programmers_vocabulary.png 10:57:04 *** TheMask96 [martijn@greed.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 10:57:37 <Eddi|zuHause> it took me some time to learn how to quit vi 10:58:03 <V453000> I have no idea what is vi 10:58:04 <V453000> (: (: 10:58:55 <Eddi|zuHause> it's like gvim, just without g, but probably with m anyway 10:59:07 <V453000> I perfecly know what you are talking about 11:01:59 <Eddi|zuHause> the problem is that the people who know vi expect you to just know vi as well 11:02:31 <Eddi|zuHause> which makes the learning curve steeper than it ought to be 11:03:00 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 11:04:08 <V453000> :) 11:04:31 <Eddi|zuHause> i know the solution: they should add a little paperclip that pops up "looks like you're trying to quit this program, can i help you with that?" 11:04:53 *** welterde [welterde@000133b4.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 11:04:57 <V453000> oh yeah :D 11:06:44 <Eddi|zuHause> to this day the only vi commands i know are "save and quit", "quit without saving", "search" and on a good day "replace using regexp" 11:07:31 <Eddi|zuHause> occasionally "undo" and "delete n lines" 11:07:55 <Eddi|zuHause> sometimes i wish i knew copy-paste, but then i'm never bothered enough to find out... 11:08:51 *** welterde [welterde@000133b4.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 11:11:02 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:c924:2822:7b72:932a] has joined #openttd 11:17:44 <planetmaker> that sounds about like my vi knowledge, Eddi|zuHause ;) 11:30:39 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has joined #openttd 11:32:16 *** pthagnar [~pthagnar@cpc7-pres17-2-0-cust28.18-3.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 12:06:18 <LordAro> vi(m) is easy 12:06:31 <LordAro> 'u' is undo, funnily enough 12:09:31 <planetmaker> the ominous undo-knob? :P 12:21:01 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #openttd 12:25:49 <Eddi|zuHause> for the record, i think the way refitting was "resolved" is wrong(tm). it should display all subtypes of all wagons, but only refit the ones that offer the specific subtype selected 12:27:15 <Eddi|zuHause> also, the way subtypes are implemented is suboptimal... 12:28:07 <V453000> recode everything 12:31:38 <planetmaker> Eddi|zuHause, and then only refit the engine (which has a 1 envelope-sized mail compartement) instead of the bulkd wagons 12:32:03 <planetmaker> s/bulkd/bulk/ 12:32:17 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: yes. why not? 12:32:46 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 12:34:11 <planetmaker> and why is that the more correct behaviour? 12:35:51 <V453000> any way to tell train sets that YETI cargo is meant to be transported in some horrible ratio in compare to the cargo capacity? (e.g. goods get double capacity by default) ... like if I would like a 30-unit cargo wagon to get only 2 units of YETI cargo? 12:36:10 <V453000> OR do I need to make YETI newGRF disable itself when it doesnt have NUTS around? XD 12:36:17 <Eddi|zuHause> it's not "more correct" it's "i would expect this situation to be more common" 12:37:20 <Eddi|zuHause> planetmaker: i would rather select a subtype that refits only half the wagons, instead of selecting each wagon idividually to apply the refit 12:37:39 <Eddi|zuHause> wagons may be mixed in a weird way 12:37:54 <Eddi|zuHause> and you cannot select non-continguous wagon chains 12:37:55 <V453000> muh 12:39:41 <Eddi|zuHause> V453000: besides the builtin mail/goods factors? not sure but i don't think so 12:39:53 <Eddi|zuHause> and train sets often ignore these factors 12:39:59 <V453000> yeah exactly 12:40:05 <V453000> NUTS ignores it entirely for example 12:40:18 <V453000> soooo what do? 12:40:23 <V453000> give YETIs simply TONS? :D 12:40:41 <V453000> 30t of yetis = 2 fat basterds 12:40:49 <V453000> visually 12:41:07 <Eddi|zuHause> make a spec that gives a cargo "weight units", "area units" and "volume units", and wagons get a capacity for each, whichever is hit first limits the capacity 12:41:14 <V453000> :D 12:41:29 <V453000> no ty 12:41:55 <Eddi|zuHause> that wouldn't be very hard 12:42:37 <Eddi|zuHause> but possibly you should allow for fractional ratios, instead of 1-2-4... 12:43:26 <V453000> mhm 12:43:40 <V453000> well for now I will just make yetis come in ton units :D 12:44:31 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 12:44:36 <Wolf01> hi hi 12:44:44 <V453000> no hi 12:45:48 *** Snail [~jacopocol@cpe-74-73-132-105.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Snail] 12:51:59 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@luxemburg.gtor.org] has joined #openttd 13:15:39 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 13:26:27 *** HerzogDeXtEr [~flex@i59F6A0D9.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 13:29:58 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 14:24:45 *** lofejndif [~lsqavnbok@4VXAABON2.tor-irc.dnsbl.oftc.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:28:07 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 14:28:23 *** KWKdesign [~KWKdesign@pool-108-52-130-213.phlapa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 14:41:31 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has joined #openttd 14:54:23 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #openttd 15:11:30 *** Aristide [~quassel@2a01:e35:2eb9:64b0:c924:2822:7b72:932a] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:15:42 *** Gethiox [~gethiox@2001:41d0:52:500::6c4] has quit [Quit: Gethiox] 15:15:51 *** Gethiox [~gethiox@2001:41d0:52:500::6c4] has joined #openttd 15:16:58 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:25:16 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 15:29:15 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387AF3E.versanet.de] has joined #openttd 15:37:37 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:52:11 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d01e4a3.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #openttd 15:52:53 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 16:06:44 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19C30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #openttd 16:13:29 <frosch123> i expected the food processing plant to process 2 pieces of yeti into 30 bags of yeti 16:25:25 *** TheMask96 [martijn@lust.vhost.ne2000.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:30:36 *** TheMask96 [martijn@wrath.vhost.ne2000.nl] has joined #openttd 16:31:38 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:33:08 *** Aristide [~quassel@81.253.61.231] has joined #openttd 16:35:53 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@46.246.119.109] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 16:48:04 <V453000> nice one frosch123 :D 17:00:23 *** glx [~glx@000128ec.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 17:00:26 *** mode/#openttd [+v glx] by ChanServ 17:03:09 *** SkeedR [~SkeedR@cpc38-wolv14-2-0-cust352.16-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:03:41 *** SkeedR is now known as Guest12360 17:08:25 <MTsPony> anyone know why ttdur (Urban renewal) New Stations never made it into BaNaNas? 17:22:02 *** montalvo [~montalvo@host-2-98-147-18.as13285.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:24:31 *** FLHerne [~flh@dsl-217-155-24-22.zen.co.uk] has joined #openttd 17:24:52 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-108-227-30.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 17:28:46 *** LSky` [lskynl@5ED4B2EA.cm-7-5c.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #openttd 17:37:04 *** Klanticus [~quassel@177.35.41.80] has joined #openttd 17:37:27 <Eddi|zuHause> cause nobody went into the jungle and turned the banana straight 17:37:31 <Eddi|zuHause> wait... 17:45:07 *** Guest12360 [~SkeedR@cpc38-wolv14-2-0-cust352.16-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:45:19 *** SkeedR_ [~SkeedR@cpc38-wolv14-2-0-cust352.16-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 17:48:52 *** KenjiE20 [kenjie20@46.246.119.109] has joined #openttd 17:49:58 *** fkinglag [~fkinglag@c-76-17-226-121.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 17:52:00 *** Pensacola [~quassel@h220216.upc-h.chello.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:58:45 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has joined #openttd 18:03:26 *** fkinglag [~fkinglag@c-76-17-226-121.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 18:06:04 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has joined #openttd 18:06:07 *** mode/#openttd [+o Alberth] by ChanServ 18:09:41 *** Hazzard [~Hazzard@207.163.167.2] has joined #openttd 18:18:43 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26625 /branches/1.4 (3 files in 3 dirs) (2014-06-02 18:18:35 UTC) 18:18:44 <DorpsGek> [1.4] -Backport from trunk: 18:18:45 <DorpsGek> - Fix: First send packages about new company, then clients joining it to admin port [FS#6025] (r26616) 18:20:00 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26626 /branches/1.4 (5 files in 3 dirs) (2014-06-02 18:19:54 UTC) 18:20:01 <DorpsGek> [1.4] -Update documentation 18:23:10 <DorpsGek> Commit by frosch :: r26627 /tags/1.4.1 (10 files in 4 dirs) (2014-06-02 18:23:04 UTC) 18:23:11 <DorpsGek> -Release: 1.4.1 18:24:08 *** Haube [~michi@77-20-0-12-dynip.superkabel.de] has joined #openttd 18:26:17 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-108-227-30.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:26:34 *** fkinglag [~fkinglag@c-76-17-226-121.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:27:10 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 18:27:47 <LordAro> :o 18:34:09 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-108-227-30.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 18:42:27 *** SkeedR_ [~SkeedR@cpc38-wolv14-2-0-cust352.16-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:45:03 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 18:58:16 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #openttd 18:58:27 <andythenorth> apparently infrastructure sharing is best thing since sliced 18:58:29 <andythenorth> bread 18:58:36 <andythenorth> has anyone tried it? 18:58:54 <Alberth> the forum is full with those people :) 18:59:17 * planetmaker once developed it ;) 18:59:17 <andythenorth> I am not -1 to it 18:59:30 <planetmaker> s/developed/rewrote/ 18:59:37 <planetmaker> the 2nd-to last instantiation 19:00:06 <andythenorth> so I could just build tracks and you could just run the trains? 19:00:06 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-108-227-30.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:00:13 <planetmaker> it's nice to have if for some colaborative things. 19:00:22 <planetmaker> yeah, that's what we did 19:00:48 <andythenorth> and I could run trains down the AI tracks (if any) 19:00:50 <andythenorth> and then stop them 19:00:52 <Alberth> I'll build the left track, you do the right one :) 19:01:19 <planetmaker> andythenorth, no, you couldn't. It required explicit permission granted by the companies 19:01:27 <andythenorth> oic 19:01:40 <planetmaker> so before you could use my tracks, I'd have to allow you to use my rail tracks 19:01:44 <planetmaker> and stations 19:01:47 <planetmaker> and depots 19:01:52 * Alberth grants rights to andy for building the right track 19:01:54 <planetmaker> once they were three separate switches 19:02:41 <planetmaker> and each had a price tag attached to it 19:02:54 <planetmaker> but I'm not sure whether that's not too fine-grained control 19:03:21 <planetmaker> and the same for roads, docks and airports, too 19:03:28 <Alberth> stations seems legit to me 19:04:41 <planetmaker> it was actually fun to play with one infrastructure company and several transport ones :) 19:05:13 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-108-227-30.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:05:39 <planetmaker> we had news which announced rental price changes which took effect a game year later (or something like that). 19:06:01 <planetmaker> and of course the same for other sharing - related things which affected your company 19:09:40 <frosch123> today you just use purr to colour tracks differently :p 19:09:57 <planetmaker> :D 19:11:45 <Alberth> you know different colours have different properties? 19:11:46 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-108-227-30.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:13:00 <frosch123> heffer: blathijs: new release \o/ 19:13:17 <frosch123> @topic set 1 1.4.1 19:13:17 *** DorpsGek changed the topic of #openttd to: 1.4.1 | Website: *.openttd.org (translator: translator, server list: servers, wiki: wiki, patches & bug-reports: bugs, revision log: hg, release info: finger) | Don't ask to ask, just ask | 'Latest' is not a valid version, 'Most recent' neither | English only | #openttd.dev for dev-talk | #openttd.notice for commit notices 19:14:33 <LordAro> frosch123: clearly DorpsGek should automatically update the topic 19:15:05 <frosch123> http://xkcd.com/1205/ 19:15:41 <LordAro> of course it's worth the time, don't be silly 19:15:42 <LordAro> :p 19:15:51 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-108-227-30.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:16:37 <LordAro> also, http://hg.openttd.org/ is down 19:16:37 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-108-227-30.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:16:57 <frosch123> that's new 19:17:03 <frosch123> usually only svn and git fail :p 19:17:28 <planetmaker> hg.o.o works for me? 19:17:45 <frosch123> now it does 19:17:58 <frosch123> maybe it just oom-cycled or something :p 19:19:32 <LordAro> weird 19:19:47 <frosch123> there is nothing weird when software is involved 19:21:55 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-108-227-30.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 19:22:21 <LordAro> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-fvQBUXYsBtc/U4pF5Qu3lZI/AAAAAAAAqe0/hwGC8cSpBOw/w641-h802-no/whatwesay.png 19:22:49 <frosch123> old 19:22:55 <frosch123> v posted it this morning 19:22:56 <LordAro> of course 19:23:07 <LordAro> i found it on reddit last night :p 19:27:12 <LordAro> wiki â 19:27:20 <frosch123> :p 19:27:33 <frosch123> how long did you search for â ? 19:28:48 <LordAro> "unicode tick" -> wikipedia -> c&p 19:28:49 <LordAro> :p 19:30:49 <frosch123> ah, i thought you have a fancy Äȯá¹á¹È¯á¹¡Ä key 19:31:42 <LordAro> i've never properly worked out how to do unicode in linux 19:31:52 <LordAro> it seems to depend on which program/distro 19:31:58 <LordAro> well, DE, i assume 19:32:32 <frosch123> you just go into your X settings and assign compose to caps lock 19:32:54 <frosch123> there is also plenty of stuff on altgr+shift 19:35:36 <LordAro> so there are 19:37:28 <planetmaker> ðough not displayed on the keyboard. I wonder why :) 19:37:49 * Alberth uses kcharselect to select non-ascii characters 19:38:20 <frosch123> kcharselect is good if you only have the name of a char, but do not know how it looks like :p 19:39:07 <Alberth> hmm, please someone build OCR for unicode characters :) 19:43:56 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 19:47:49 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #openttd 19:49:08 <Rubidium> that'll be a nightmare 19:50:28 *** gelignite [~gelignite@i5387AF3E.versanet.de] has quit [Quit: http://bit.ly/nkczDT] 19:53:15 <Rubidium> mostly because of http://bugs.openttd.org/task/5481 (character compositions during drawing) 19:53:18 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 19:55:18 <frosch123> i guess with a sufficient small font size you can do everything with braille chars 19:57:09 *** Alberth [~hat@2001:981:c6c5:1:be5f:f4ff:feac:e11] has left #openttd [] 19:59:35 * Rubidium would use block chars 19:59:44 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-108-227-30.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:01:00 <andythenorth> bye 20:01:05 <andythenorth> 4.30am was not pretty 20:01:07 * andythenorth is going to bed 20:01:09 *** andythenorth [~Andy@cpc10-aztw26-2-0-cust867.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Quit: andythenorth] 20:01:25 *** Hazzard [~Hazzard@207.163.167.2] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:01:54 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:02:01 <Rubidium> but... it's only 16:01 20:02:09 <Rubidium> darn it lag... 20:03:24 <frosch123> 6 hour lag :p 20:03:56 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has left #openttd [Verlassend] 20:04:01 *** planetmaker [~planetmak@188.cimarosa.openttdcoop.org] has joined #openttd 20:04:04 *** mode/#openttd [+o planetmaker] by ChanServ 20:04:14 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-108-227-30.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 20:04:20 <frosch123> pm pressing ctrl w again :p 20:05:58 <planetmaker> psst! ;) 20:06:57 *** Klanticus [~quassel@177.35.41.80] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:16:17 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@haqua.4chan.fm] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:21:21 *** Aristide [~quassel@81.253.61.231] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:29:55 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:29:55 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-108-227-30.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:33:55 *** MTsPony [~marctraid@076-010-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has left #openttd [] 20:34:21 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-108-227-30.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #openttd 20:35:24 *** Myhorta[1] [~Myhorta@10.87.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 20:36:50 *** ccfreak2k [~ccfreak2k@haqua.4chan.fm] has joined #openttd 20:39:13 *** oskari89 [oskari89@83-102-63-32.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [] 20:47:40 *** dxtr [~dxtr@000182a2.user.oftc.net] has joined #openttd 20:52:14 *** frosch123 [~frosch@frnk-4d01e4a3.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Quit: be yourself, except: if you have the opportunity to be a unicorn, then be a unicorn] 20:57:03 *** jpierre03 [~jpierre03@voyage.prunetwork.fr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:57 *** Haube [~michi@77-20-0-12-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:06:30 *** jpierre03 [~jpierre03@voyage.prunetwork.fr] has joined #openttd 21:12:17 *** luaduck is now known as luaduck_zzz 21:19:33 *** Myhorta [~Myhorta@00018fad.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:27:03 *** Midnightmyth [~quassel@93-167-84-102-static.dk.customer.tdc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:29:11 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.98.114.22] has joined #openttd 21:31:43 *** namad8 [~aaaaa@pool-74-111-111-176.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #openttd 21:35:00 <Wolf01> 'night 21:35:00 *** montalvo [~montalvo@88-108-227-30.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:35:06 *** Wolf01 [~wolf01@0001288e.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Once again the world is quick to bury me.] 21:36:02 *** namad7 [~aaaaa@pool-74-111-111-176.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:44:02 *** jpierre03 [~jpierre03@voyage.prunetwork.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:45:02 *** funnel_ [~funnel@23.226.237.192] has joined #openttd 21:46:52 *** funnel [~funnel@0001c7d4.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 21:46:57 <heffer> gnah. could you please stop changing the tarball name scheme for every release. 21:46:58 *** funnel_ is now known as funnel 21:48:02 <heffer> that's rather... inconvenient for the packagers 21:59:56 <Rubidium> how does it change? 22:00:04 <Rubidium> it's been produced by the same process for years 22:02:48 *** jpierre03 [~jpierre03@voyage.prunetwork.fr] has joined #openttd 22:04:29 *** Progman [~progman@p57A19C30.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:09:01 <Xaroth|Work> Rubidium: but the number, it changes! 22:09:02 <Xaroth|Work> :P 22:09:59 <Rubidium> heffer: ^ 22:11:07 <heffer> Rubidium: 0.2.4: nml-0.2.4.src.tar.gz, unpacks to nml-0.2.4; 0.2.5: nml-0.2.5-src.tgz, unpacks to nml-0.2.5-src; 0.3.1: nml-0.3.1.r5242-f6a3ae1163ab.tar.gz" target="_blank">nml-0.3.1.r5242-f6a3ae1163ab.tar.gz, unpacks to nml-0.3.1.r5242-f6a3ae1163ab 22:11:18 <Xaroth|Work> heffer: that's not openttd, that's nml 22:11:36 <heffer> oh sorry, i thought i mentioned above 22:11:44 <heffer> actually i now see i didn't :D 22:11:46 <Xaroth|Work> you should kick whoever does nml builds :P 22:12:27 <heffer> especially 0.3.1 is extremely annoying as i also have to manually change the svn release and git commit hash every. single. time. 22:12:43 <heffer> before that it was just bumping the release number and we're good to go :D 22:13:03 <heffer> but i just noticed i'm whining about something i have to do maybe twice a year 22:13:14 <Rubidium> funnily the rXYZ of nml isn't a svn revision 22:14:23 <heffer> whatever it is it doesn't seem to correlate to the version number in any way. also it seems it can't be deducted from the version number 22:14:52 <Rubidium> it's datediff(day-of-release, 20010101) 22:15:29 <Rubidium> uhm.. datediff(day, day-of-release, 20000101) 22:15:48 <heffer> i wonder how this information is even relevant for a release tarball? i would figure if i tag a release in git it should have all the related info in it then. 22:16:07 <heffer> i'm not complaining actually. just trying to understand 22:17:33 <Rubidium> I kinda agree that such information is not useful in the tarball name or the folder for stable releases; for automated builds it's kinda useful to know the order (the rxyz) and the actual revision (in this case a mercurial hash) 22:18:40 <heffer> also: opengfx changed from tar.xz+tar.gz in 0.4.7 to tar.gz only in 0.5.0 and then to tar.xz only in 0.5.1 22:19:01 <Rubidium> sigh... 22:19:05 <heffer> openttd itself and grfcodec have been nice and stable though :D 22:19:50 <Rubidium> don't forget opensfx and catcodec (although they're effectively dead) 22:21:48 <heffer> we don't carry those in Fedora because of us being licensing nazis 22:22:03 *** Godde [~quassel@72.79-160-59.customer.lyse.net] has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 22:22:05 *** Godde [~quassel@72.79-160-59.customer.lyse.net] has joined #openttd 22:22:05 <heffer> sampling plus is for some reason a non-free license 22:22:39 <heffer> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:Main?rd=Licensing#Bad_Licenses_3 22:23:46 <Rubidium> but yes, I can imagine that the release process of nml + opengfx should be more automated, or at least the source tarball part of the whole effort 22:24:06 <Rubidium> it's also non-free in Debian, which is why it's in non-free in Debian 22:25:20 <Rubidium> the main problem is that there aren't many samples that are free; if only someone had a decent sound recording device and interest to sample everything from scratch ;) 22:25:32 <Rubidium> a number of samples are public domain though 22:26:23 <heffer> yeah so in fedora it would need to go in RPMFusion. but i didn't bother doing that because you can easily download the SFX from the ingame downloader if you really want 22:28:16 <Rubidium> hmm, looks like the opensfx 'Makefile-source' has been changed significantly since the last release 22:28:57 <Rubidium> but then again, the only reason to release is a few more translations which is kinda not worth the effort for everyone redownloading a couple of MB 22:35:09 <Rubidium> planetmaker: how does 15-11-2014 (check the rXYZ to know why this date) sound as a day for a workshop to get some sane, stable and unified versioning plus archiving for (at least) source tarballs for opengfx, opensfx, openmsx, nml and possibly grfcodec/openttd? 22:35:28 <Rubidium> although... that quite a bit in the future 22:35:57 <Rubidium> but then, I wonder how many releases are done/needed before then anyhow; it'd be mostly for extra trunk sprites 22:42:56 *** MTsPony [~marctraid@076-010-128-083.dynamic.caiway.nl] has joined #openttd 22:43:24 <MTsPony> Question, if a map was made on a windows client and then running it on a dedicated linux server compiled with the same trunk, does this cause any issues? 22:43:47 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #openttd 22:44:07 <Eddi|zuHause> no 22:44:33 <Eddi|zuHause> but if you copy your .cfg to the server, you might need to replace \ by / 23:03:37 <MTsPony> kthx 23:15:12 *** yorick [~yorick@ip51cd0513.speed.planet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:28:52 *** Hazzard [~quassel@c-67-174-253-44.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:30:18 *** Pereba_ [~UserNick@177.98.146.88] has joined #openttd 23:33:46 *** DabuYu [DabuYu@128.250.79.245] has joined #openttd 23:34:32 *** Pereba [~UserNick@177.98.114.22] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:39 *** Pereba_ is now known as Pereba 23:39:08 *** KritiK [~Maxim@0001264a.user.oftc.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:58:04 <Eddi|zuHause> is there an arabic or chinese version of braille?